The Ebro, Laura, Rosenberg Show - 36.) Vic Mensa Talks Chicago, Bad Bunny, + Being Independent (2/13/26)

Episode Date: February 13, 2026

Today on Ebro, Laura, and Rosenberg - Vic Mensa joins the show as the first official guest in the new stu, to discuss topics such as deciding to go independent, his new found social media fame, the Super Bowl, government in Chicago, family and much more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Just don't call in a podcast. Hey. Okay. Doing something different on a Friday. We're about to talk that talk. Oh, you want to do freedom. You want to talk freedom? Freedom Friday.

You know what I'm saying? They can't stop this combo. I guess they kind of could because we distributed it on YouTube. So I guess they can like what? Cancel our page. We don't own these platforms. All we own right now is these microphones, these room, this room, and this light. That's all we got.

Yeah, where we're distributed, we don't own. But listen, this is a key component, right? Which we're going to talk to Vic Minza about today because he's decided to be more active on social media, which is something he wasn't all the way into before, what, about a year ago, bro? Let's run through some of the people we all genuinely dislike to set the stage today.

I love this conference. Oh, God. This is good. This is good. Who we got? Who we got? Who we got? How you feel about Van Jones? Hoof.

Man, Coon Jones. Yo, Van Jones is a special. special kind of he's had at so many occasions where he's shown us remember tonight Donald Trump showed us that he's president I cannot I can't that's what it started it was that was his first term he had a tonight he's he showed he's presidential oh Bill Maher can't stand oh Bill Maher no Bill Maher's in the Hall of Fame Bill Maher you need to I would like to see you on even though I would love to see you on that show though could you do it yeah I could do it I had to shit on them though no I want no one one

You would have to. You'd have to. It's, I can't. The Islamophobia is so crazy. Where are you at on Don Lemon these days? I fuck with Don Lemon. Yeah. We had to talk about this pre-show.

I'm going to see Don Lemon. Yeah, I'm going to go see Don Lemon while. Free Don Lemon, matter of that. You know, see Don Lemon. Free Don't Lemon. You know, tell Don Lemon, we need to have them on the show. For sure. Don't know what I'm saying?

We need to do on his show. We got to remember. We got this new thing, pop. And people don't necessarily want to run up here now. No, I was telling Vic before. The audience knows I have. I'm coming back to liking Don Lemon. He thinks he's a pompous elitist.

Well, I'm still stuck on the Ferguson protest from, I smell marijuana in the air. I was always like a little put off by him. But listen, we, people come to the team. When people come to the team and start, you know, really getting behind the right issues. Well, let's not call it a team. Let's just say, let's just say,

depending on what's going on in society, you may align with people you didn't align before. That's fair enough. How about, yeah, team, I don't like team. That's a bad word choice. Mindset, positive mindset. There you go. He has a positive mindset.

And he's been doing some valuable journalism. Yeah. He was in Chicago after ice repelled out the helicopters. He was on the block talking to people. Like, he was one of the first, firsthand accounts that I saw of the people that were, yeah, being pulled out of their homes and the nude by ice. No, he's doing good. He's doing good. I was like, damn, Don Lemon.

Well, where are you at? Cell phone 67 Street. Where, do you have any, on that note? because, you know, I definitely see people who supported this latest regime of Donald Trumps who are black and wanted to act like the illegal immigrant conversation was only going to apply to people who look like they were from Central America or fit some sort of, you know, narrative that they look Mexican or something, even though there's black people in all of those countries as well. Where are those individuals? Do you, do you know, have any individuals

was like that in your circle or in your, you know, friend group that were like supportive of MAGA and was like, y'all, get these immigrants out of your type? Nah. Supporting of MAGA may be too far. Let's go supporting of Trump. Not thinking Trump was too bad. Let's go there.

I had about two people who seemed like they was either on the fence or Trumping. And, you know, it just ain't lasted. You know what I'm saying? It's kind of become a hard line. Obviously, it was already hard line. Your friendship didn't last or their viewpoint? I don't even want a nigger telling me about some Trump shit in a favorable light.

You know, that's going to end the relationship fast. Fast. So if I knew a Trumper, they just didn't say nothing to me about it, you know. But there's a lot of conservative bent in the black community as well, though. A deep conservative bent in the black community. And I definitely have friends whose parents are in support of Trump or MAGA. I don't know where they're at right now. but also in Chicago.

And racism, white supremacy or any of that alignment or the realization that, look, all Republicans aren't racist, but all races support Donald Trump. Like, that's not enough for them to be like, I don't need to be on that side. People be hating their self, man.

People be deeply self-hating, you know what I'm saying? And miseducated and consuming red pill content. Yep. And just like ideologically confused all at once. Yeah. All right. Let's come back around to all. We're going to come back around to everything.

We've got to talk some Vic Mensa too, though. Now, Vic, you have had a successful pivot. Not only putting your music out, direct to consumer, no label, all out. I loved that whole last release with the vinyl. Appreciate that. And thank you for supporting it. Of course, man. My first purchase, for real.

Literally? I was your first? I mean, you bought everything, no. You brought the vinyl. Oh, man, I'm behind, too. I haven't even bought the merch. Look at me. Whatever you know.

Yeah, that's dope. Well, and the art, I mean, the artwork on it's amazing. Obviously, what it stands for, what you're talking about in the record is beautiful. Thank you. And just, you know, I guess the, I guess the embracing of your heritage, both being from Chicago, being a mixed kid and being Ghanaian, like, packing all of that into how you express yourself amazing. Thank you, but we didn't get a motherfucking orange today. How do you not show up to interviews with a bag of? He's got to not have the oranges from the tree.

He's got an orange. So I was asking you off the air, though, was the orange thing or random thing? Because you are officially on fire on social media. Like you hit everybody's algorithm now. And it's great content. And it's not often that thoughtful good content cuts through the algorithm, right? So did this happen organically? No pun intended?

Yes, it's in my backyard. But I more specifically told myself about a year ago. I was going to take part in social media. I never really took part. Right. You know, I always would come and I would speak to you guys. Right. We speak about, you know, so many things of weight and people would be like, oh, I love your interviews.

I watch them all the time, you know what I mean? But I never took part in the social media arena in the experiment. You know what I mean? And so I told myself about a year ago, I was like, man, I'm going to take part. I'm going to just see what works. I'm going to try things. Speak about different things, you know what I mean? Speak about my mental health.

Speak about stupid funny stories. speak about African history and the orange tree thing just work. It's just in my backyard. And it's like, you were just like, I'm going to plot my phone right there. And I'm just going to go for it. Actually, the first time I did it, I had somebody shooting it. Most of the time I shoot it myself. Okay, okay. It's also taught me like experiments in filmmaking. You know what I mean? I've been learning use of light and color correction and kind of bringing together worlds that I've already been inside of. Like, I've been acting for a few years now. Obviously, been, like, a student.

And hip hop to me is educational. And it's, like, root form, the form that I fell in love with. You know what I'm saying? And when I think about, like, KRS 1 was my favorite MC growing up. KRS 1 was literally the teacher. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And, like, I listened to KRS, and I would make parallels between things that I didn't get before. Because he made it. succinct cultural, linguistic, officer, officer, officer, officer, officer, officer, officer, you know, like shit that just I could sense or even, or even Nas, you know, I think about

Nas, Lupe, Lupe teaching me about, um, conflict times in Sierra Leone. Mm-hmm, and then Kanye stepping into that. Yeah. Or comment teaching me about a side of Shakur, like hip hop is, has always been that, like the knowledge has been a core tenant, a pillar of hip-hop. and may not be right now, you know, commercially, but I still believe in its DNA that that's hip hop. So even what I'm doing right now is hip hop.

It is. Just giving gems that you've... Drop a gem on. But it is crazy. There's a couple things that are interesting. Number one, you mentioned the film part. And it is very, like, visually pleasing. Pause.

But like, pause, because my man's wearing a belly shirt jersey half the time. You know what I mean? So, you brought up. is the reason why when I actually put the jersey out, I made it longer because I had it on. I was like, I'm going to one of them jerseys, but I'm not doing the Pellys the 80s locker room bar.

I made it longer because that was with Ebro and he was like, yo man, what's that jersey? You know, like I want one, you know what I'm saying? But like the crop joint's not going to work for me, yo. If Ebro walked in with a crop job. No, no, no.

That's why now it's regular leg. It's no longer crop. And by the way, they sell out As soon as you put them up, right? Like, yeah, for so. So, so not only the videos look good, like the lights dope, the orange tree, it looks, it's just satisfying,

it's kind of a satisfying watch. But you also are doing this crazy thing, which is, it seems as if social media is, like, positively impacting your life. Which is a rare thing. Which is so rare, bro. Like, you're, like, you seem, you haven't changed as an artist.

This is always the guy you've been in many ways, as an artist, the way you espouse, the views you hold. It's just like you mentioned our interviews. But now you're able to do it on social media and I feel like it's actually feeding your brand. I just commend you. That is a unique thing to happen

because most people have a very toxic relationship with social media and yours seems really good from the outside. You know, it's complex. It definitely is good though. You know what I think that it's helping me to express who I am. Like I said, you guys would give me a floor

oftentimes to have conversations that I could. really have in many places, you know? And social media, and the way I'm using it now, is giving me a space to do that through my own channel. You know what I mean? So I do think that it's been a positive force in my life. And at the same time, obviously, it's still, you know,

it's social media. So you still look in comment, you still have the moments of, like, comments or- I try to stay away from it. I don't read, I try not to read it. You know what I mean? I try not to read too much of the comments because it could be, it's like,

Tom and Jerry, it's like a cat and mouse game. Either you're looking for something good or you're finding something bad or vice versa. But I think the reason you're having a positive experience with social media is honestly because you're showing up as yourself. And I think when you were, and I know you pretty well, I think, from the many conversations and the ups and downs you've been in your career and the trouble you've been in your career and in real life. You've done it all.

But I think you were, I think you were trying to find your center. I think that's where, I don't know if you want to expound on some of the past turmoil, but it seems like you found your center, you're grounded in it, you love what you have, you love your family, you love the world you've created, and you're showing up as yourself. And when you can do that, unapologetically, and pay your bills doing so, I think that's, you can be happy. For sure, no, that's blessed.

I had some years even preceding this past year when the general sentiment amongst the people working with me was like, yo, don't stir the pot. You know what I mean? Don't speak on politics. Like, just don't, you know? And genocide is happening in Palestine and Trump's coming into power and chaos throughout the world. And I'm trying to, I'm like, you know, I felt like I was muslin myself in pursuit of success or certain deals. Because I've seen those deals evaporate, you know, based on something I said on social media or in an interview or being in Palestine.

I've seen many a deal, you know what I mean, just fade into the wind. And I also felt pretty empty when trying to be silent, you know, trying to be muzzled. Because, I mean, I think if you know better, you do better. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't look to everyday artists to be fucking the spokesman for the ills of society and capitalism. Because maybe that's just not their bag, you know. But I've studied these things a lot and have always been this person. So I feel like I also have a responsibility and a duty to share my perspective.

And like trying not to was a lot harder from me. And you feel like that's where the frustration came in as you were. Yeah, that was a real frustration. But like you said, like it was a, it's a reaction to having both like seen success and tanked it through being too honest but also tied up in. My own insecurities, of course, but, you know, really telling truths that people just didn't want to hear at all. Yeah. It wasn't the right time, the right moment, or the right delivery. You know, I did learn, I feel like what you say is not always even as important as how you say it and when you say it.

The timing and presentation, you know. And so I'm working on all those things and trying to be informed by the missteps in how I come. communicate. But at the same time, like you said, just being authentic, just being real to myself. You know what? At what point did you feel like, okay, I am going to take social media and I'm just going to speak my mind directly, unapologetically. Like, you talked about it in interviews, your points of view, but at what point were you like, they're going to hear it from me directly? What was it that made you, what clicked in your head that made you make that decision? That was about a year ago and I didn't have no distribution and didn't really have a pathway to release my album.

I've been having this album before I started doing this before I did the direct-to-consumer project and I didn't have the money to pay for it. You know, didn't have a label partner or a distribution partner. The music was done though? I mean, it's, you know, been pretty much done. And I guess kind of, yeah, out of necessity, I always had a feeling. feeling that were I to communicate the conversations that Ibro and I have, you know, for example, just off air, if I was to communicate those things through my own social media that I think it would bring people in because they're conversations of content and of substance.

You know what I mean? And the things we talk about on this show, I always thought it would bring people in. But it was one of those things that every year I was like, oh, man, I'm going to do that next year. you know okay next year all right i didn't get to that this year you know i'm gonna do it next year kept being procrastinated and as i'm sitting there without this just without distribution i'm like okay well this this is the right time to do the thing that you've been kind of afraid to do and saying that you would do year in and year out and low key the lack of resource and support has out of necessity pushed me to grow significantly.

You know what I mean? Like not having that outlet for the music pushed me to create this other lane and this other avenue. It also pushed me to like be the producer for a lot of my music. It pushed me to do the direct-to-consumer project which has helped me to understand like fan engagement,

create data capture files. work on merch production and like really start to understand the whole supply chain and it's made you a business man yeah it's made me figure a lot of things out because I didn't have the uh the structure well you were the exact opposite of this I mean to when you your origin story in hip hop post being a part of kids these days when you the Vic Mensa solo story you're talking about rock nation scooter brawn right big management big companies it was the exact exact kind of opposite of what you are right now. No?

Yeah, yeah, in ways. Like, you're expected to kind of not do very much. To not do much, yeah. And then you just don't gain the information. Then you just don't learn how to actually do your business. And then, of course, it didn't work. Yeah, it didn't work out. And that you, other people were trying to find a way to make money off of you, but even,

I'm not saying none of them had care for your, you know, personal well-being, but it's not aligned with what your vision is. And now you are doing all the business, and it's obviously aligned with your vision. I don't think a lot of those relationships were antithetical to who I am too. And so I would go and I would do things and say things that I do and I say now. And the shit would crash and burn. I wouldn't all the way understand why, you know, because I was 22 or 23 and I didn't know how the Epstein files were going to shape out. You didn't know that back then.

You know what I didn't know. You know, I didn't have that foresight. I didn't really understand. You didn't have the unredacted in your, you know, the whole, like, web of, yeah, nah, you know, connectivity of corporate, you know, I just didn't understand that. Do you ever laugh at the irony at any point that, of all people, Scooter was your manager?

And I know you guys discussed at some point your differences. I also want to say, lay clear that I was not making that connection exactly. Oh, no, no, no, no, I know. I know. But I'm referring more to the, to the, to the, to the, to the, Yeah, no, crazy. Which I know you guys got into it before. Yeah, for sure.

I mean, I didn't know about Palestine. I didn't know really the difference between Palestine. Well, and for the audience, Vic went to Palestine in 20, 17, 18, before the pandemic. Yeah. Aja Monet. She took me down there. Yeah.

March of Ayesha. My hill was there too. Oh, wow. Aaron Allen Kane. Aaron Allen Kane was there. Yeah. Did you have to have three names to go on the trip and what's your middle name? What's your middle name?

Quessi. So wait, a group of you just decided. Tell me how that came together. Well, we did. It's a long time, but we did a whole breakdown of it afterwards. He came on our show. But it was dumb long ago. Yeah, I don't remember.

Yeah. Aja, Monet, my big sister. Used to live in Chicago for a short period of time. She's ill poet and just brilliant mine. Recently got nominated for the Grammy for her spoken word album. When the poems do what they do. Always got to shout her out. So she took me down there.

And it was this delegation of black artists, poets, activists that included Mark Lamont and Aaron Allen Kane. And we were there for 10 days. I was there. You know, we traveled all through the West Bank through like old city of Jerusalem, through Ramallah, Bethlehem, refugee camps, and saw firsthand what the fuck is going on. You know what I mean? We saw the occupation firsthand.

We spoke to the people. first-hand who were being impacted by the occupations, stood on rooftops and watched the worms swimming in Palestinian people's rationed water, stared across the wall into rolling green pastures and Olympic swimming pools. They just saw it firsthand. The apartheid. Saw the apartheid first hand. And I was just shocked, you know what I mean?

I'm 23. I didn't know about Palestine. I didn't know Palestine from Pakistan a year before that, to be honest. And so I'm like, yo, the worst is. I'm all on my stories. Completely innocently. Look at these kids being dragged down the street. You know, like real videos, like real graphic shit. And you know, my management team at the time was like,

you know, like stop the tape. You hear? Like, yo, what are you doing, fam? And I'm like, oh, I'm doing what should be done, right? And did you know about this? You know, like, does anybody know about this? It was just as astounded as I saw friends in mine be in the past two years, seeing the genocide on tape on TikTok and being just like blown away. Like, yo, this is happening today.

This is something that people are okay with, but it's actually been happening, you know. Hasn't been as potent and as accelerated as this right now. Well, and then the, for many, not all, but for many, the idea that as the United States, of America, which claims to be this beacon of human rights, that we are part of the funding of this behavior. The funding. Right? You know what I mean?

It's basically us. It's basically us. And not doing anything about it. Matter of fact, helping hide it or helping try to, you know, make it look like there's nothing to see here. Everybody keep moving and just move along. There's nothing to see here. I think that also is very shocking.

When you realize it like, wait a minute. people do know and have known and have funded and they don't want the general public to know that's right that was what blew my mind was like oh this is like um a concerted effort so did you in did you and did you in scooter ever have like a come to jesus on this topic we did have a conversation about it man um and it wasn't this current political moment so between myself a scooter between myself and my therapist even at the time. It's like a Jewish dude who I, you know, loved very much, helped me so much to, like, overcome drug addiction and, you know, me stay alive through suicide and all this type of shit. Those relationships, we had these conversations and those relationships at the time,

they survived, you know, they subsisted. And I saw it as being an example of, like, the power of empathy, humanity, like love between people of different viewpoints. But ultimately, you know, the world is a little more complicated than that. And now they crumbled, you know, in time. So that wasn't, that was like the straw to broke the camel's back. I think that actually, although that was the mound of straws that the straw that broke the camel's back was eventually placed on top of, you know, with some of the relationships. Like the thing that actually maybe took it over the edge was some things I said.

said about police, you know. And this was before ACAB was like the general 2016. And now I don't even know what people say about cops these days. I feel like there's a general acceptance among people to the left. They're like, you, the cops are full of shit entirely. Defund. This was like before a defund, the police was even a conversation. You know what I mean?

But I was like at the same time coming into that consciousness. And I tell people all the time, man, like coming into like a revolutionary consciousness or just an understanding of the world as it really is, as a young man, plus testosterone, is like a wild combination. You know what I mean? It makes you turn, you know? And you just want to tell every truth as loud as possible. Isn't it good, though, that you at that time, as you were discovering all these things,

that you weren't a big social media person yet, like a really active? because you were able to do a lot of learning and really get to a point where now when you deliver a message, it's based in so much information and experience. Right, right. Because we got a lot of people who are vocal. Like what you just said of, like,

I didn't know the difference between Palestine and Pakistan a year before that. People are super loud and active about stuff and would never have that admission. I got to be honest, three months ago, I didn't even know this was going on. Right. But now I'm out here posting

and you should know that everything I say is coming with the facts. Right, right, right. So I just think it's sort of a blessing that it's. And now it's landed you in this spot where I know it's a really generic thing to say you catch more bees with honey. It makes the deliverer of the message sound soft. Your messages are not soft at all. But your delivery of the message is way more pleasant than a lot of message delivery is on social media.

And I think it is more impactful as a result. Oh, it definitely helps. Yeah. Well, because you're not angry. You're not screaming at the camera. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. That's the beat. I was very angry.

Well, because I lived that. I was 16, 17, right? Like, I was, my mom was angry when It'sok Ravine got killed. You know what I mean? Like, that's the story I tell all the time, that my mom was like, Netanyahu's a devil. Israel is lied. This is a lie.

Like, my mom was on that in, you know, in the 90s. So, and then now. That's in your house. And then my dad is on the type of time that he's been on. So then you're like 17, 18, 19, and you're listening to the records. You listen to you listen to the KRS. You grew up on P.E. You've seen all of this.

People going to jail, police brutality and all that stuff. And you have to rationalize and understand, like, am I going to go out here and also be angry? Or am I going to navigate this in a way where I could bring people actually along on a journey with them? And we can make this a space where people. people want to come on the journey. Because nobody wants to go on an angry journey. They really don't. People are open to learn.

But they're open to learn, but they don't want to hang out with you when everybody, everything's mad. So we're going to be mad all the time. No, there are certain people out there who are big in the algorithm. And I will end up getting, they hit me. I will agree with them and think, I don't want to watch this shit. Like, you're screaming at me. I don't want to be.

We all know it's bad out here. Like, it's bad out here. I don't need it to be bad in my. phone too. So I do think there's something to be said for delivering the message in a way that's thoughtful, passionate, radical ideas. And I'm not saying there's not a time to be angry. It can't be 24-7. Not saying that. But we got to, we got to keep our energy locked and loaded for when it's time. Pick the spots. You got to keep your energy locked and load it. Otherwise, it just becomes wallpaper. And then people do stop listening because it's like, so we're yelling every day.

We're yelling all the time. Even though it is, we're living in a world. that is worthy of yelling every day. I don't want to say it's not. But you get rage bait fatigue. You do. Now I've seen it. Definitely do. It comes to time,

like all of us are well-informed and connected and there's times where I can't. Like my brain can't, I can't watch another video of like kids getting hauled off and ripped away from their families because I see ice just beating people up. For my mental health, I have to,

and that's my privilege, just scroll. Because I can't do it right now in this moment. I need a moment to pace myself, take care of my baby, so I can live life, come back, and be effective the next day. You know what I'm saying? Anger is a poison that corrods the vessel and carries it.

And so when you sitting at the table, right? When you're sitting at the table and you got all the chips, right? Like the current elites do right now. They got all the chips. They're not mad. They got us mad. And so we're mad, wasting all our energy being mad. and they got all the chip.

Well, that's what they're relying on. Us being mad and unfocused. That's low key. One of the most pivotal Epstein files was Epstein talking to Peter Thiel. Yep. And he's celebrating Brexit. Oh, that's got him. We got him.

And Peter Thiel says, the beginning of what? Epstein says, a return to tribalism, the end of globalization. It's easier to buy something on its way to collapse than it is to find the next bargain. So you've got to know they're relying on us being upset, on us being in argument with one another, in hatred of one another, in fighting, constantly in dispute, so that they can rob us.

No, look at the bad bunny thing this week is a perfect example. Word. We can just roll out a Super Bowl performer, and it will split people into screaming at each other. Oh, and how about this? He wasn't even on that type of time. I know. He went out there to party and celebrate his community and uplift people and bring people together.

And as soon as that thing was done, Donald Trump's first words out of his mouth was to attack it. That draft was ready. Yo, he had to be ready. It's a scam. It's such a scam. They scamming, bro. It's such a scamming. You realize how truthful it would have been if his tweet had been?

I got to be honest. It actually wasn't so bad. I might learn a little Spanish. Like the truth is, people watch that. You know they weren't offended by it. You know in their gut they were not actually offended by anything that happened. Unless they're a white supremacist racist. Exactly.

Unless you're a Nazi. Unless you were like, I don't want to see these black and brown people. And you had to just go watch Kid Rock. Exactly. I thought you had your way to not be angry. This is how twisted it is. They are speaking a European language. Kid Rock and the other dude was rapping the, I don't know, Morgan Wallen.

looking nigger. Yeah. Rapping. Here's the funniest part to me is that even in their attempts at silencing people of color, they still use our mediums. Like they can't even put down our paintbrush. The niggas was up there at the TP USA joint rapping about being racist. Like they was rapping about their toilet paper USA experience, like literally rapping about it.

Like kid rock is up there. Yeah, a rapping fool. And his whole existence is based on our stuff. His whole existence, no one knows you without hip-op. I don't, I really do one day need to under, he, he may be a study in a lot of biggest. I already was Canadian. He did rock? I don't think so.

Well, I don't know, he could be from Windsor or something, he's from Detroit, but he was, we're talking about, you know, battle DJ, battle rap. everything was rap connected for a long time. That's that classic playbook though. I know. That's that classic use the black fishing, like fishing rod to get into general consciousness, like attach myself to this wave, ride it until I'm ready to go country on the ass. Yeah, he's the ultimate example of him. He might have kicked it all.

No, I think he might be the architect. I got to give Kid Rock more credit for being the architect of the, of the, of At least he fathered so. The black fishing, black face rapper turned country singer. You know me? He put that in the game. He went hip hop to like a weird medley kind of thing, then eased his way into the little country twang,

sample littered Skinner. They took the sweet home Alabama riff, full-on country. And then I remember the quote where I went, because I used to like a couple of kid rock records as guilty pleasures. I had like two real guilty pleasure. I had posters on his. All summer long and picture with Cheryl Crow.

Two guilty pleasures I enjoy. Yeah, okay. That shit was hot. That shit was got hot for a second. I don't remember it. No, it was big. I probably know it if I heard it. It was a legitimate.

I like this song. I don't want you to know I like this song in the early 2000s. The moment I knew was there like eight, nine years ago, he was like, I don't like chicks like Beyonce. I like chicks who look like blah, blah, blah. All right. I went, oh, this is where we're going? I regret to inform you, Kid Rock, Beyonce is out of your league, my nigga. It does not matter.

It doesn't matter. It's your life. It's like Beyonce. As if anyone like Beyonce, it would give a second look. There's no chicks like Beyonce to shook a bag, my nigga. Yeah. It's a wild time. It's a wild time.

The Chicago mayor seems to be doing very well. What is your feeling? feedback for us. I mean, you're in Chicago. You don't live, do you still live in Chicago or you just part-time? But I'd be in Chicago. You think there's an orange tree like that in February in Chicago? Well, no, I thought, I know he has a place there. I'll be back in. Yeah, yeah. I'll be back in the way. He might only bounce out to the Orange Street for the content. You don't know what he's doing. That might be one weekend of content and then he goes on back. Oh, Orange Tree weekend. Shot 40 video. One weekend. Oh, Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson is dope, man. I mean, I love

Brandon Johnson. He's the first mayor that Chicago has had in my life that represented my interests, that speaks my language, you know, I mean that I can relate to, that relates to the people that I've grown up with the Chicago that I know. I do think he's found his stride in terms of his messaging. Like he's really started to become very poignant and very brilliant with his delivery and I do think it's really reaching audiences nationally and people are are impressed with his with his intellect and with his leadership and at the same time you know Chicago is a is a tough crowd man you know so he he's got his work cut out for him but above all we're coming from ram Emanuel man we coming from like a mayor that literally sold

our parking meters to like multinational corporate billionaires you guys know that story right and then they I don't know

that specific so the parking meters in Chicago the money made on those meters do not go to the city of Chicago he made a deal

for them yeah and he took a cut he made a deal for a little for a couple bucks you know me maybe like 10 million

he made a little deal to some multinational billionaires from somewhere else and it's a hundred year lease or some shit like that he took his little bread and they turned around and sold it for like 10x the next year you know what I mean it's like classic Chicago corruption when I came into uh man maybe it was high school kids these days I knew Rahman Manuel was was phony as fuck because romeo manuel wanted us to be performing at his, you know, his concerts and shit like that.

And I remember going to perform at this city concert with the band in high school. And Ron was like all on our dick. And he's like, yo, this is my, this is my favorite group. My favorite group are coming to perform. What's you guys name again? He didn't do that. He did. He did.

And I was like, this niggins are fun of me. I ain't know everything he was in. Kids those days. I didn't know everything he was up. to but I knew he was a phony fuck, you know. And then on the other side, Brandon Johnson, when he was, so my man is part of the teachers union. You know, one of my guys that I came up with who was an organizer even back then and organized a big walk out of school when they mass fired a bunch of teachers and were closing schools.

And that was probably all of our first like political action organized by my man, Yayo. And so Brandon Johnson comes from the teachers union, Yai Yai. as a teacher. When Brandon Johnson was campaigning, I met up with him, and I suggested that he come to meet the home girl, Englewood Barbie, who does a lot of work with the unhoused community.

And she's like selfless and dedicates herself to that. And it was cold as shit. It was like now in Chicago. And she out there delivering food. Out there. Constant. Staying out there, like having a party at night. You know what I mean?

Like Club 51 is what she calls it. Playing music, feeding the people, like, sleeping out there. And I told Brandon Johnson, I was like, yo, this is what I think you should do. I think you should come out here, you know, in the cold and be with the people that are actually helping, like, the most common denominator, Chicagoans. And I didn't think he was going to come at all because who would do that, you know? Like, my homies wouldn't come do that. You know what I'm saying? Right, right, right.

And when Brandon Johnson did come in the middle of the winter, dead of winter, to be with Inglewood Barbie and the unhoused people, I thought that that was indicative of his character. You know, I don't know everything that happened after that, but I do know that that moment to me spoke to a larger sentiment of him being different from an average politician, you I mean, and so I'm glad to have him. I mean, I think that, like, we've had such trash representation. I mean, we had Lori fucking, I want to say Lori Harvey. That's not her name.

No. Because that would be fire. That would have been fire. We had Lloyd Harvey. It would have been something. It would at least look good. We don't know where. I mean, Kim Rock wouldn't be into it, but you know what I mean?

The rest of us, Mike. Lori fucking Lightfoot with those suits, nigga. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? With this haircut. Yeah. With the damn suits.

Nah, don't trash that haircut, man. Go on. Now, it's been bad for Chicago. Yeah, it's been real, real bad. Slim pickings. You know what I mean? And there's not going to be so many opportunities, you know,

to have representation that actually understands your life experience as like a working class Chicago person or even just a person of color, you know what I'm saying? Like, they ain't going to give you too many shots. So I'm glad that, you know, we got this one. There it is. Vic Mentza. So people can still buy the last directed consumer project. Yeah, yeah, you could buy that. You can just buy it on my website now.

If you just go to VicMinser.com, it's like in the merch store. And a lot of the stuff that you wear when you picking oranges off the orange tree and dropping knowledge. It'd be for sale. All that's for sale. Yeah, it'd be for sale. Now, I had a You know, I had to hit him in the DMs like, yo, bro, you got to pick from a different spot on the orange street. Because it can't be that many oranges in the same spot on the orange. Right. Just grow back the moment I pick them.

It's like, no, it's crazy. They're on fire. Now, but listen, and your family and your father, I don't know, very, you've shown your family or you guys did a photo shoot together. Yeah, we did. I had them modeling my mom and my dad were modeling the merch. Yeah. But I mean, even your kid.

And your lady, y'all did a photo show too. Yeah, we'd be taking pictures and shit. Yeah, like you really are some family man. It got to be. No, have to be. But I wanted to applaud you. I appreciate that. I think that's beautiful.

No, for sure. I mean, it's definitely the most important thing to me. You know what I'm saying? And I think I'm new as a father, so I'm still learning how to balance a rigorous work and ambition, you know what I mean, with being a father and a family. family man but I think in time I'm learning more and lucky to have my lady who's just like a wonderful mother and a wonderful partner very supportive of me I mean she even styled this thing I did like I shot a short film that kind of turns the orange tree into like my more narrative

scripted TV film ambitions and she styled it the other day you know what I'm saying and my mom and dad were in it. You're saying they acted in it. They flew in town, acted in it. I got to watch this. It's not out yet. No, you didn't put it out. Okay, okay. I'm still editing it. Just shot it. Oh, I'm excited about it. How much does all of that family being around being supportive at this stage?

How much has that also helped you feel grounded, focused, happy, fulfilled? Has to be a lot. Yeah, I mean, that's number one. You know, in my prayers, it's like I pray for me, my son and my girl, and my mother and my father, and my sisters, first, first of all. Like, it's the most important thing. And I was already a lot more focused, but I think that crystallized it, like locked it in for me.

Like, I'm okay, I'm fully focused. Like, I don't really have the time, space, energy, or necessity for anything frivolous, like anything outside of what I got to be doing, you know? It's like I'm not getting into drama. I'm not getting into beef. I'm not going to the club. I'm not, you know what I mean, doing a lot of things that are liabilities.

Yeah. Right. You know what I mean? And then on top of that, being a parent is wild, right? Yeah, that's great. You're in charge of this human. You're going to shape this human. Everything that you do is going to affect this human.

We both have one. Ebro has two. But sometimes I look at my child and I'm like, oh, my God, like I made you and I'm in charge. I know. I still, I mean, she's only a year, but I still have those moments. I'm like, man, every reaction. I have, everything that I encourage or discourage all of the things that I deal with that I don't want her to deal with and think about.

I think about that a lot, man. It's just like trying to be an emotionally regulated version of myself, trying to be the best to me, especially in the presence of my child because I want him to gain those parts of me and not the worst. You know what I mean? Like I don't want him to be influenced. by my shortcomings. And so that means I have to be hard at work

and overcoming those shortcomings or at least like transforming them, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, not giving him no fear, you know, not giving him anger. I can't be angry all the time because like I can't be having my child see that. No, because we do take so, and the funny thing is we don't know

what our kids gonna take from us. Like there's stuff I took from my dad, I'm glad I took. For sure. There's other stuff I took that I'm like, dad, you could have kept that. We didn't both need to have that trait. That's the same thing that held you back is holding me back.

Yeah, yeah. You know? That's real life. I think about that exactly, man. Like worry, you know what I'm saying? Worry is something I consider a lot because my father being immigrant father from Ghana and from a pretty abject, poverty in Ghana. Then coming here, having his family in Chicago, I think he held on to a lot of

anxieties of like what he felt like he had escaped, you know, and worried about even teaching us his own language and worried if I was going to get killed by the police because I'm always getting arrested and worried if I would do well in school and worry and worry. And obviously, having my father has this incredibly educated and brilliant and dedicated dads. Huge privilege. Not everybody has that. Most people don't

have that actually, at least in my life and experience. So the primary thing I take away from my father is privilege to have had him in my life and to have him in my life. But also, he's a worry war. So I got a lot of that. You know what I mean? Because it was always like, man,

you're going to be okay. And so I think about that as I I spend time with my son, like, to intentionally, like with my son, every morning I wake him up with affirmations. Like, I'm powerful beyond measure, and I attract exactly what I need because I expect nothing less. Just statements of faith and power to counteract the, I know that I got worry inside of me. You know what I mean? It's been passed down to me. But I'm trying to be intentional to not give that.

to him you know what I mean because if I can make that decision then I need to you know yeah I can't imagine not having worry like that you know the the child of a mom who was born in a displaced person's camp after the Holocaust it's so built like that sort of trauma is so built it's baked in yeah tell me about that I don't know that comes up your mom was born in a displaced say can you tell them or did you know no they can you tell them or did you know Can you? Oh, can I? Sure.

Oh, sorry. I thought you said, did you? Yeah, my mom was born in a D.P. Camp. What was the D.P. Camp? So after the Holocaust, after the U.S. showed up or whatever and started to get things together, people were sent to different places.

And my grandparents had been on the move for like eight, nine years, whatever it was, from Poland. So they had gone different directions. they ended up my grandfather ended up so far east he was like in Russia doing like slave labor basically and they just kind of kept moving it's my grandparents story is really nuts and literally every place they'd go they would just be asking hey do you have you seen so-and-so when they'd meet other polls you know they'd say hey do you know so-and-so you so-and-so and because they'd only been date they'd been dating for a couple of years and then their

families bounced so when their families bounced they're from the same town but when their families ran, they obviously were separated. So they just kept in contact through that. And then somehow eventually that game of telephone worked and they found each other towards the end. And they ended up in the same, they ended up together. And then they were put into a displaced person's camp, which is where a lot of people post-Holocos went because your homes were gone.

Because the Nazis had taken Poland. So they ended up in this camp and my mom was born there. Yeah. Because I guess you, so I guess, I need to ask my mom, specifics. But yeah, I guess you were there for a minute. Because they got married there. They got married there. They had a baby there. Like, they were in the camp for a couple of years.

Your mom grew up there. No, no, until she was two. Two, okay. Yeah. And then, yeah, that's, that's more than Maya is now. Yeah. No, listen, I spent the last 13 months working on my baby. That was all a displaced person's camp. That's crazy. Yeah. And then, and then they ended up in getting to come to the U.S. I don't get you to stop complaining about your new apartment. How about that? Will it? I mean, it should.

It should get me to stop complaining about my new apartment. Will it? Listen, my grandparents worked very hard so I can complain about my apartment a couple of generations later. See, I didn't know that, but it makes a lot of sense to me because the fearless perspective that you've taken in support of the Palestinian people and also the nuanced perspective that you've taken in that entire conversation is the one that actually makes sense to me as some. who has that history to say, okay, these are the ways in which my family was impacted by, like, hate and fascism. And that's why it's so hurtful. That's why so, I mean, from my mom, it's like, and she's the exact same as me. I can't imagine what it feels like for her to now see this place that they had seen as a place of refuge and, you know. You're talking about the United States.

no, Israel. Oh, God. You know, like, you know, listen, my parents, my parents went to a, you know, spent this, they went to Israel in the summer of, you know, like 72 or 71 or whatever, lived on a kibbutz. And this is a long time ago. My big Zionist vibes. Big different energy at that time.

Totally different understanding of what they, and now my dad is like literally had to relearn what the whole thing even was. Because we were taught, like, this is what makes it fundamentally so complicated. You are asking people to not believe what they have been taught from the second they were old enough to understand anything. That Israel has only been good and for the protection of you and they are on the right side of everything. And it was just done to protect people. And particularly, and this is where I see a big misunderstanding about it, post-Holocaust, which turned down. out to be kind of like the best marketing Israel could have gotten because obviously it was already

going on for a very long time when the Holocaust came right that's we're talking 50 60 years after theater Hertzl or 50 years after theater Hertzl so like this is already moving but now there's a place that Jews can go and so your whole life you're taught about what it can mean to you and then to find out while there may be like pieces kernels of truth in there about what it could be for you there's all kinds of other stuff that you were not aware of at all. Asking people to relearn that, especially when people are lazy and selfish, people don't want to do that. Lazy, selfish privilege. And they're privileged, and they don't have to.

It's like doctrinated. I mean, the doctrine is just. But so that's why, like when I talk about my mom, right, who's also Ashkenazi and parents were from Poland, that's why she's angry when they kill Isockra Bean. Because Itzhak Rabin was, and Yasser Arafat, were trying to solve this problem. And we're on the verge of signing a document to create a two-state solution. And there was a push from Netanyahu and these crazy right-wingers that ended up resulting in the murder of Itzakrabin, who was trying to find assault for what we're seeing today.

They don't want a solve. And also, you're talking about in Arafat and Rabin coming together, you're talking about two people who were seen as absolute criminals by the other side. Yitzhak Rabin considered a full-on war criminal for when he was in the military, just murdering people doing what he had to do at the time. He was in what military? He was really military. Yeah, yeah.

Yitzhakribin was a bit. He was a decorated military person prior to this. Okay. Prior to his political career. Then he ends up rising in the political ranks and starts moving further to the left and being like, this isn't sustainable. What we're doing here, this is not. We're talking about the long, long term sustainment of our well-being. This is not working.

For sure. Arafat, who when I grew up was the definition of a terrorist, right? PLO, terrorist. Arafat, terrorist. That's what all we thought of. Buses blowing up. the things you picture, right? These two guys come together

and shake hands with Bill Clinton to be like, we're going to, this is going to change. Think about what we're seeing people, how they're reacting to bad bunny at the fucking Super Bowl. Imagine what they felt when Rob Bean and Arafat shook hands to think we could actually change this. So they kill it's Akra Bean. A crazed right winger in Israel.

Wow. But by the way, who is still get celebrated. There's like a fact of weird right wing factions who celebrates that guy. What was when Netanyahu was called for kill? Yes. Yeah. And then it's Aquabine's widow is like I entirely blame.

Yes. 100%. And the guy who most celebrated, obviously I'm not knowledgeable enough to don't know his name. The guy who most celebrated the murder of Rabin treated it as a national holiday would go out in the streets every year and have a rally to celebrate his murder is in Netanyahu's cabinet right now. Oh, they wild, though. Netanyahu's cabinet? I met one of them, actually. On that trip? I did.

I did. I did. I was I was kind of forced to go see the other side. Yeah, they hit you with the... But hold on, they didn't just let you go party in Tel Aviv. They had to make you go talk to... You could have done some fun stuff on the other side. I had to speak to the minister of propaganda. I don't... Maybe he

was the publicist. What was that? It was interesting because I had this whole notebook full of of all the things I had seen and read and thought I was gonna catch him up with logic. You know what I mean? I was like, well, what about this? How was this okay?

My grand argument was framed as a kid from Chicago, which obviously is a very violent environment when I walk through Jerusalem and I see Israeli men with shorts, flip-flops and yarmacus carrying open M-16s and then I dart my eyes to the left and I see Palestinian teenagers who are being arrested and given mandatory minimum sentences for throwing stones. I ask him like I'm asking you how is that a logical equivalent how how does that make sense one can carry M16s openly and the other has a mandatory minimum for throwing stones

The propaganda minister was like, well, you know, stones could be very big. And dangerous. And I was like, okay, so we're not having a conversation. That was his first line literally. 100%. That was his response to why one group of people can carry assault rifles and the other can carry sentences for throwing rocks was how big rocks can come. And that's why, and that's why like for years on this show, we've talked.

about how unsurious, uncivilized, white supremacist and racist that thing is for years on this show. Understanding what it was meant to be, right? But now watching people have to grapple with the reality of what it actually is. Because that's where we are today. And it ain't no different from what we're dealing with. That's what we always say. And that's what we always say. I always try to tell other Jews, like, don't feel bad.

America sucks too. America's the exact same. Yeah, you don't have to feel, because we, I understand it. Everyone, like I get all these comments for people thinking I'm a self-hater, but, bro, my wife is Israeli. The food that I eat, my comfort food now is all Israeli food. I'm not some person who, like, is hateful and doesn't believe, when people say Israeli culture doesn't exist, nothing. It's bullshit. Of course, there's real things to it.

It's real people. There are good people and real culture there that exists, just like in America. But there's also tons of bullshit. Yeah. It's, we can just accept it the way we've all accepted that America is not what they said it was on paper. But on the indoctrination point, and you and I shared some Instagram posts with some young ladies trying to break apart the identity of Jewish people away from the Israeli government. Right? because they've tried to conflate

Zionism and Judaism as the same thing. Because then if you go anti-Israel, you get to call it anti-Semitism. And if you raise enough anti-Semitism, you're going to scare the ish out of Jews. And then where are they going to go? Israel. Israel needs anti-Semitism.

The wild vicious cycle. It's a lot. They always equated to America, man, to say like America, is an evil imperialist state. It is. It carries out acts of atrocity around the globe. For financial gain.

It's built on acts of atrocities, built on genocide, is built on the largest slavery in the history of mankind. Like, we can collectively acknowledge that. I mean, I guess the MAGA crowd, they like to pretend that it's not, significant but they don't really even deny it. So did the Confederates. Yeah, they are the Confederates.

You know what I mean? They don't deny its existence. They just say it's not as important as we think it is. But obviously the photographic evidence exists. We know what happened. And we can criticize that without saying that we hate all the people of New York City. That's right. You're saying like we can criticize that and actually be the people of New York City. Absolutely. And we should. And also critiquing something actually shows that you care. And you, yes. Because guess what? But if it didn't matter and you didn't care, you wouldn't even be talking about it. But it's the part that makes it so complicated is that even for someone like me with all of my thoughts on this, if someone brings it up the wrong way, it could still make you go, I don't like how that sounds.

And like, you know, Ye, for example, was a great example of that. Hopefully now he's turned over a new leaf. But, you know, when Yee was doing all his stuff. the conflating, like I would, you just see it in the comments. Like to be anti-Israel is absolutely not to be anti-Semitic. However, I see my share of people who are really chest puffed about their anti-Israel. Half the time, 40% of the time, the anti-Semitism does follow. And that's what makes it super complicated and hard.

Back to my parents, back to my mom who was born. and displaced persons camp because we've seen this recently. Like as we get older, you realize how recent that was. Like this isn't hundreds of years ago. And as I'm watching the dynamic now of everything that's going, bro, you talk about not wanting to worry. Between the Epstein files, Israel, Stephen Miller, I see all the pieces in place for the worst and most unimaginable things to happen again.

It does exist in my brain. Yeah, but on the same token, black people, and we've had this same conversation, when I'd be like, yo, when they start hanging black people again, y'all going to start acting real different acting like this white supremacy thing, ain't something you're supposed to be worried about. You're supposed to be worried about this at all times. Yep. When these police get to killing people, oh, we're here now?

Oh, now y'all want to pay attention. This is what we saw this week with people and the way even you see certain people talk about ice. Like other people of color acting as if the ice thing isn't their problem. It's the most insane thing of all time As if it's not going to all of a sudden Become other people One generation, that's not enough for citizenship Or wait, what did that person say

On their podcast? This is the beginning This is just the beginning The White Supremesis machine relies on Collective Amnesia That relies on us forgetting What the Black Panther Party actually stood for I've seen a lot of people

commenting on the new groups Calling themselves Black Panthers Saying oh the Black Panthers wouldn't have supported immigrants. Yeah, right. I'm like, okay, so you haven't read a single book, listen to a speech. You haven't heard Chairman Fred Hampton say,

you don't fight racism with racism, you fight with solidarity, you haven't heard Huey P. Newton say that we dedicate ourselves to the struggle of all oppressed people and we've decided to call ourselves internationalists. You know how white- Malcolm X-Sand- They were wiped out. They did such a great job.

I got to give it up. We gave credit to Kid Rock earlier. You got to give it up to the full-on-law. white supremacy built baked into our government for the way that they erased the black panthers they by the time i was a kid it meant like fringe crazy like only hip hop taught me with that it was not that yeah you had to really look you had to look at cointel pro so effective oh man effective not only at assassinating all those leaders but also like scrubbing the history well and we and we happening now though with with book banning well we and we conveniently like to act like

like there was freedom of press before. Like they weren't shaping a narrative in the 60s and 70s using mainstream media outlets, the news cycle in a newspaper. Yes, there were independent newspapers before and that it's very hard to exist now as one. But always and forever, they have shaped the narrative against black consciousness, black activism, and all that in this country.

So I know people like that. act like, oh, the media is a problem now. It's always been a problem. It's always been a problem. That's not new. I think we end up at an interesting place when people have forgotten the actual life words and work of these leaders and heroes of black history,

but only remember the iconography and then use it as they see fit without having actually studied any of what they believed and what they stood for. And then you end up at a place where, a lot of our people think that their enemy is Mexican. So I think that their enemy is the Venezuelan. So I think their enemy is the Somali people.

Not the structure that incarcerates and profits from their incarceration. It's not Palantir that had the conversation with Epstein about returning us to tribalism and then funds or powers ice. Like it's the same people. It's the same geo group and core civic. privatized prison companies that are profiting from niggas making Starbucks caps and shit in the prison that are creating ICE detention centers. And I wonder how people can believe that their enemy is the person that's in the other

detention center and not the one owning the fucking detention center. Because we have a lot of waking up to do, bro. For sure. We have a lot of waking up to do. And also, I don't think people generally speaking while they're in the rat race and on the hamster wheel and all these things have the capacity to do the work and build a life that can disconnect from these machines, these institutions,

these conveniences that are provided to them by tech or corporate, you know, entities. It's very hard for people. You know what I mean? Even us having this conversation feels great. People are going to love it. They're going to like it. They're going to comment.

They're going to share. And then what? Mm-hmm. And then what? I mean, okay, yeah, the midterm. We got, there's always a new hurdle. Just get to the midterms and get them out of here and then we'll figure it out. And then there'll be a new hurdle on top of that.

Then we'll, ah, ah, ah. But don't worry, they got a saw for that. The Republican, the Trump is working so we don't even have to have that. Yeah, no. We won't even have to play the midterm game anymore. It'll just be arrested. Look, they didn't made you, they didn't made you not believe in the election process so much. Then now people maybe will be apathetic, which is what they really want.

Because the only people who don't believe in the election process tends to be people who are are struggling the most and are the most marginalized. Because I'm going to tell you who's always showing up to cast their ballots. White rich people. They never not show up. The only people having conversations about this shit not working be us. Think about that. Why is that?

They go to all the community board meetings. They show up at all the elections because they have time. They're never talking about not voting. Why do we do that? Yeah, man. Vic Mensa. I love you. Proudy.

I appreciate you, man. Thank y'all for having me, man. Yeah, man. Listen, the Ebro Laura Rosenberg show, Vic Menser.com. Anything else we're supposed to promote today before y'allet? I said you just showed up to be our first interview on a love. Yes.

No, listen, man, take notes, man. Didn't even have nothing to promote. No. This was a sharely, yo, when are you coming to town? Actually, next week. Come through. Love it, love it. Love it.

Yo, give it up one time. Vic Metson on the program. You need a little outro for the people. Yes. That's the intro. That's the intro. That's the intro. There we go.

Pull it together, man. It's our first guest. Sorry, man. Sorry, first guest. You know what I'm going to? It's a big deal. On the outro. Yo, boy, had to come fuck with this.

Your boy. Yeah. Classic moment, man. Might have lost us our gig at a hot 97. We don't know. No, but it was worth it. It was worth it. I think so.

He thinks so. Well, listen, in our own way, this show, in our own way, This show, this studio is Vic Mensa with the orange tree. There you go. And we wouldn't have found the tree if we hadn't hung. Cuomo hadn't hung up on us. They tried to shut that old thing down.

That's what we knew. Listen, subscribe right here, share, like, do all the things you do on the internet to let the algorithm know it's popular. Are we doing the show on Monday? It's a holiday. Oh, that's a good point. What holiday is? We got to figure this out. It's a real day off for people.

Oh, really? Yeah. All right. We may not be here Monday. We'll see our Tuesday. We'll see you soon, though. We work for ourselves. We'll figure it out Monday.

Love y'all. Maybe we'll throw up like some greatest hits or something for y'all to check out. Maybe reminisce for the people who just checked in and missed some shows. They're a little catch-up. You know what? Plus, we're going to be getting into some new logos and things next week. Yeah, yeah. The plans continue.

Yeah, man, we've got plans. And also the merch too has happened. It's out. It's out. Go to ebro-Laura Rosenberg Show.com. It's limited. So I don't want to hear any complaints. Get it now.

Because I'm going to shut it down. We might need to show. We might need to take some merch advice from McMenz. Well, I'll tell you one thing we're going to do is we're going to do a belly crop version of the we got playing shirt, the Vic Mensa style, you know what I mean? A mesh belly shirt. See ya, man. Ibro-Laure Rosenberg. Yo boy.

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