The Ebro, Laura, Rosenberg Show - 4.) The HOT Departure + iHeart and Netflix Deal (12/23/25)

Episode Date: December 23, 2025

Ebro, Laura Stylez & Rosenberg are back like they never left! On our fourth episode we discuss The HOT 97 Departure, iHeart and Netflix Deal, Rosenberg Responds to DJ Vlad, Nicki Minaj on the Right, and much more! Laura is away on holiday vacation and will be joining the show in 2026! Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Just don't call in a podcast. All right. Ebro, Laura Roseberg, back again. You know, we'll do this every day. That's the new program. Thank you for tuning in. Thank you for your comments. Thank you for subscribing, liking, sharing,

on the editing. Turning on the watchmark notifications. Got to have that on, apparently. That's a big thing, I think. Big thanks. Big thanks. At a time, I mean, it's perfect timing, right? Because here we are podcasting, like,

we've been doing, but we did it as a radio show that got turned into a podcast. Or we were on YouTube for many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many years. But it was a radio show being turned into YouTube content. So we no longer have the radio show. But it's the perfect time because Charlemagne, the God, has paved the way. Oh, thank you. That's right. He has paved the way. I saw some clips of us talking about,

Charlemagne's $200 million deal and people were saying we were hating because I said, quote, I didn't do the same dance as he did. And I didn't intend it to be that way. I think if you're Charlemagne, you should be ecstatic.

I think if you're a fan of Charlemagne, you should be celebrating. Like I think if you're a podcaster, you should be ecstatic. I think there's so much positive from what Charlemagne and the eye heart deal has done. I don't know. What I was trying to articulate is basically I have a belief that when you are black in the United States and outspoken against what is seen as the norm or outspoken,

especially in this current climate against Trump in the ways that I have been since, man, 2016 and beyond, or as overtly outspoken against white supremacy and unwillingly. to have conversations with people who propagate white supremacy. I won't even entertain it. There's nothing for us to find common ground on, but there are individuals who are willing to do that dance, and that is rewarded financially in our society. It always has been.

Or people who are just willing to, at the wrong time, be critical of a black woman running for president of the United States. Who's that one about? No, no, I know it's about Kamala, but I mean, was that, is that Charlemant? Yes. I thought he was all on board. I thought he was like a surrogate practically for, for after they were critical. Oh, right, right, right.

Then they made him a surrogate. Because I thought you were going to mention that, um, the odd. But by the way, but by the way, you should be critical. I'm not saying you shouldn't. I'm just saying the timing was bad. Well, and I thought you were going to add that every time there was like a major Democrat moment. on their show, it led to something horrifying for the candidate. Oh, you mean like Hillary Clinton?

Yo, Hillary Clinton had the sauce in the bag. Disaster. Joe Biden. By the way, but by the way, but by, oh, Joe Biden. Joe Biden. If you don't vote for me. If you don't mean me, we hit black. Disaster.

But, but also. Compa had the hip-hop reference, too. Don't forget, she confused when Tupac was alive. Disaster. But also, but also, that's, that's good. It's good, but it's, also just something that I wasn't willing to do. That's all I'm saying.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be proud. I'm not saying people shouldn't celebrate. I'm not saying it's not great for podcasting and whatever you're doing as a creator. I'm not saying none of that. I just want people to pay attention to these things because to get to the big bags, the big bags, you got to do certain dances. That's all I'm saying. Now, can I push back, though?

You can do whatever you want. This is a liberal Laura Rosenberg. Your name's in the title. Here's two things I'm to push back on. And I'm going to add, let me add a piece first. Number one, the only thing maybe as whack is being everything you just said about you and feeling those ways is being white and doing those things. There ain't no place for me. And black people barely like me also.

It's, I mean, there's no. There's no home. When you're a mixed kid like me, man. You never had a home. You never had a home. But I could have, but the thing is I could have chose the white home. Could have been cozy somewhere. in the bosom of the man.

But you would have to do to dance. Some sort of dance. I can't even be cozy in the bosom of the Jewish man because my Israel views. I got no country for old men. You know what I mean? But here's what I'm pushing back on you. Number one, no, it's not hate what you're saying. But we're not going to play a game and pretend that what you're saying is an outright

compliment. You are saying it at you, you have to be willing to compromise certain principles at certain points. And you and this program of what we do, we don't. compromise principles, we do what we do without compromising principles. And we try. I'm sure we have compromised our principles. I'm sure. There's just certain ones I'm not willing to do. Yeah, people often throw that out there.

I'll see that too. You're doing all this stuff and you work for this company and they do blank. There's a really big difference. Working for companies that do things you don't agree with and choosing to stand next to things you don't agree with. We all work for someone. Yeah, we live in a country that we don't necessarily agree with the origin story of the country. Right.

I don't even like how this thing got started. Was not clean. Was not a clean start. We're all compromising to some regard to even get to some money and play in this American social experiment. Now, yesterday I brought up black women and how vocal. they were against Nicki Minaj and I see Nikki Minaj is once again on our conversation topic board today. Oh, yeah.

And so there's a woman that I love that I love and I only know her through the internet. Her name is Recy Colbert, I think is how you pronounce her last name like Stephen Colbert. She's from Prince George's County, actually, Maryland. Oh, hello. That's my neck of the woods. Man, but listen, she does. It's some of those prosperous Black County in all of America. Well, listen, she doesn't mince words. You want to hear it?

And by not mincing words means, A, she's very direct, and she's going to cuss your ass out. Nikki Minaj is a stupid, goofy, ass, ignorant-ass, clown-ass bitch. And I don't really give a fuck about anything that she has to say. Nobody should be paying attention to her. However, since people are paying attention to her, dumb ass, now I got a motherfucking address. Now, I really don't care about a lot of shit that she said.

It's a typical Republican grip. the same script. But what did piss me off is how she sat up there with Erica Kirk on her dead husband to her and brought in black women. Why the fuck are we in it? For her to sit up there and say, well, if black women didn't feel good about themselves, then why would they turn around and try to make a white woman feel bad for herself? Because she looks good.

What? The idea that black women are somehow bullying white women, when black women be over here minding our mother fucking business is stupid. The biggest bullies of white women are not black women. It's actually white women and white men. White men are the ones passing these laws to make them baby incubators. That's allowing child marriage to come through all their ancestors that got going down to some of these states. Child labor.

Y'all are the ones that they take into ID, which white women benefited from the most. So why the for black women in it? If you go to any discussion that black women are having about black beauty, don't involve white women. If you go pick up an essence magazine, every magazine, JET magazine, whatever. the we all be here mind our black ass business talking about our hair our face card never declining and the things that worry us mind you we definitely got bigger mother first to five them and whatever white women got going on 300,000 black women lost their jobs under trump 800,000 black men are unemployed you could get up there and talk about that bitch but no you're trying to sit up here

and make us out to be bullies but let me ask you a question name the law that white women need in order to wear their hair, the way that their hair naturally looks. It doesn't exist. On the other hand, black woman and black men, we need the Crown Act. We need the Crown Act so that we can wear our hair the way that it naturally looks when we go on a job interview or when people go to school so that they don't have to cut their locks in the middle of a wrestling match in order to continue playing. That's why we need the Motherfuck of a Crown Act. So if anybody is being restricted from looking and feeling good

the way that we naturally do, it will be black people, not white women. Well, Risi, tell her how you feel. Well, so yeah, I wanted to put that out there because I saw a lot of that conversation. Like, how did we even black women say, how did we even get near this conversation? So Rob Markman, friend of the program and a great guy and journalist himself, reached out and he was watching us yesterday and he said I think what we missed was before the entry point to that stupid conversation was I believe the Sydney Sweeney ad blowback that way or that's what it was alluding to the Sydney

and still and still I'm just trying to give you the setup I for sure and still the Sydney Sweetie thing really irked me because I really thought at first we ever, I thought you and Laura were being sensitive. I was like, I was playing that guy in my head. I'm like, come on. It was just an ad for jeans. I really believed it. And then when I saw her asked about it, I was like, oh, you're really,

oh, you're really you're leaning into this. Well, and unfortunately, Rosenberg, as much as as much as I know some people want to act like white supremacy is not a part of it all. and it's not a part of American culture to make people who are not white feel bad

about themselves in some way, shape, or form, or continually remind people who are not white that you should just be happy to be here. It is a part of the culture, the fabric of the United States of America, to behave in that way. Oh, yeah. I just didn't think it was right there. I just didn't think Sidney Sweeney. who I got to know from, you know, this, this euphoria show.

No, we got to bring the congratulations. You played the cell button back. I'm figuring it out, by the way. So it's college voice, by the way. By the way, I don't, I don't think there's anything that can be done, except it's not hot. They don't own that. Well, anyway, so hit yourself with the button.

Where's the amazing? That button. You don't know Sidney Sweeney. You fixed your lips to say, I got to know Sidney, no, you didn't. She's from Euphoria. You liked a show. Joe. More specifically, I liked her nudity on that show. But what are we doing? What's going on?

Yeah, no. No. Drake, Drake did the music. Zendaya. I like all of those parts. We don't know them people, man. Yeah. Well, listen, you were right. Listen, I'm out. I was completely wrong. It was definitely a nod to full on open genetic, the highest level white supremacy, the genetic talk. And she was like, yes. And by the way, is Sidney's really whatever. You know what? Just leave it alone. But on the T-Poosa thing, I saw people calling the turning point thing, T-Pusa. No, T-P-P-U-Sah from here on now. No, T-P-U-SA being T-Pusa is a me. Call it through P-Uza. It's got a lot.

Why do you like that? Why do you think it hits so funny? It just sounds ridiculous. It's funny. T-Poosa. So on the T-Poosa thing that I think everybody needs to pay attention to, here I am with the whole pay attention thing. At Turning Point USA, their meeting thing.

The conventions, all the thing. I brought it up yesterday. Be careful. You're promoting a grassroots community, well-funded movement of white supremacy. I think the most, the group most vocal about feeling left out and disenfranchised

in this day and age, ironically, is college-aged white men. Lots of a tough time. They are so left out of society and so pained that something like T-Pusa is what many of them want and need. In their life. And then on top of that, there's a layer of the whole religious thing. And so you're gathering with people who look like you and feel like you. And there's a lot of money supporting it.

And people get very enthusiastic when you put those ingredients together. Having fun, gathering, seeing people who you can relate to, and lots of money. That's how movements are created. And this is a movement. And, and. they have a martyr now well that's the thing i saw that in the video you sent me yesterday you know the assassination of charlie kirk led to like such a huge uptick in membership

and and you're right they literally have their martyr now everyone can say what they want about charlie kirk but we can't argue is that his death affected a lot of people even people who didn't follow him prior to dying ever forget bro i'm so out of the loop with with the white dudes. The fact that Charlie Kirk's face and they had a moment of silence at a Yankee game. No, it was crazy.

blew my mind. It was insane. It was insane. I was like, wait, what? He was like that? I'm out of the loop, guys. Listen, I guess really the only white American dude I'm connecting with every day is Rosenberg. And Trump. We don't connect.

I hear him. He doesn't hear me. He's in your world. Oh, oh, God. No, you talk to other whites every day, no? Yeah, but I don't think that personally maybe. I had to, I really had to ask myself. I reached out to my brother.

Oh, okay. And my brother was like, yeah, it's like that. And I, you know, my brother is, my brother is, you know, he is not effing with none of this, bro. No, but he's, but he's definitively white enough to see what's going on. Yes. Like he's he's on the white scale My brother's whited in Rosenberg

No no let me finish Way white if I'm a if I'm a 2.5 On site appearance style acting If I'm only a 2.5 at white Ebro's brothers is seven and a half Like he comes off as hey welcome welcome Can I help yeah? Yeah, no he's that But I mean not not politically socially

But as that's how he presents But he was raised mostly by a black family. So he never knew. I mean, he knows some of the white side. Like my mom's side better than I do. But my dad and my grandmother and my aunts and uncles on my dad's side took my white brother to Church of God of Christ in North Richmond, California. In some ways, you're-bosable times a week. Yo, in some ways because of that, your brother's situation may be even more interesting than yours.

Absolutely. That's, like, that's really wild. I cannot picture your dad, the pictures I've seen with your dad and your brother. So your dad was like... My black father was more involved than my white brother's father. My white brother's father is the deadbeat and left and never talked to him. He didn't know him at all, right? At all.

Walked out. Gone. And your brother's how much older than you? Five years. And your parents had been together for how long? when they had you? A year or two? A year or two. So your dad comes along and your mom has a three-year-old.

Yeah. So he meets him as a little little boy. That's right. So like that's an obvious real bond you have then with this little little boy who you get to know. It is a super little white boy. You know, that is crazy and funny. Anyways, but your Ebro's brother is, even though his name is wild black. We'll be on.

Marius. It's not Maurice. It's Marius. Both are black, bro. If I saw someone's name was Marius, there's no way I'm picturing your brother. I'm not picturing your brother. Your brother looks like a banker, bro. He looks like he was born to be a banker.

That's not what I'm. And I don't mean like some high level banker. I just mean the guy who's in the bank. Like, hey, welcome the word. But he's in touch enough to see that like out in Minnesota what his white people he knows are looking at. And they were. Now, I didn't know people that I was aware of that enjoyed Charlie Kirk until later I could see like, oh, follows. And sidebar, my brother's wife, who is, you know, I want to put a business out there.

I mean, she's from Iowa, a farm in Iowa. She's whiter than him. But she's also a crunchy, crunchy, you know. No, she, I mean, no, she's just a Midwest regular, DeGle, a white woman, she can't stand low. She's more off the rails because if you're a real, see, my brother was raised around my dad. My dad is a panther.

Activism. My mom's a feminist. My brother, Northern California, Berkeley. So his conspiracy radar, you know, kind of like questioning the government radar is a part of it's in him. But if you're a Midwest, regular, degular white America, The type of anger you feel, if you really believed in the potential of this nation, the type of anger you have right now is you're way more angry than you and I.

Well, I have a couple of friends like that. I have the white, the regular, regular white women I know who are super, they're not Jewish, they're not anything. They're just good people. No, no, they're angry. No, no, no. because it's because it's everywhere and they can't understand it and they can't get through to it and and and the other women that they know who seem like them have these moron husbands who they listen

to and they're like and you know and they're not married to husbands like that they're married to good men who see things the right way and so they're like who are you like they feel like they're stuck in handmade's tail you know and they can't escape it um but no and they never and by the way And also, they've never felt this before. They've never been through this before, which dovetails me back to talking about white men feeling disenfranchised. Oh, this is how we started with T Pusa. This is how we started with T Pusa.

Is because when you're privileged, you've never dealt with these challenges, these social challenges before where, you know, this, you walk outside, everybody looks at you, you go to the school, everybody looks at you, looks like you right so now you you what what do you mean black people and and immigrants and i have to pay attention to all of these other factors and and wait they get equity like they get because of things that happen to them that my parents and grandparents oh oh they mean the

people they get like they get like more a little bit more attention somebody gets more attention than me in the real world maybe well this is uh this is getting back to the jd vans line uh the assassin jd vans uh saying white people don't have to apologize for being white anymore because we didn't we didn't spend a lot of time yesterday on j d vans really leaning into the like he's going to go all the way there he wants to live all the way on the fringes he's not condemning any of it. By the way, while being married to no, it's an immigrant. And he still won't condemn

the crazed Groyper, Nick Fuentes, far right people who go after his wife. He still won't come out and condemn it. He will not. He is, I'm telling you, he may be the worst one because he's got, he's an empty vessel. Whatever you, whatever you need him to be, that's bad because we remember the article about what he was like in grad school and his trans friend who he lost touch with overtime and now he's the full on spokesperson for all of this stuff

and unlike trump who is truly only moved by dollars jd vance is moved by dollars but he does have this sort of ideological thing as well that i think trump is lacking because jd vance is getting to that big bag. Oh, the Peter Teal bag. And he's doing the dance. Oh, they got to do the dance. But that dance. You want to get to that big bag, you got to do the dance.

Oh, but here's my pushback for you. Yes. Someone who got a big bag and didn't do a dance, I don't think. Okay. This pains me to say, because I would have liked a piece of this bag. Is Joseph Bartholomew Budden? Joe got a pretty big bag. Well, yeah, no, Joe's bag is incredible.

But remember, he's a straight indie bag and he's an early early early internet guy who built a community monetized the community he was early early early early to it like Joe button is really uh he's really like the the godfather of the indie internet hustle yeah no that's a very good point yeah i mean like he's rare that's rare air though bro that's rare air that's rare air Joe wanted to Joe as a rapper Joe created a reality show on YouTube just because yeah girl was hot yeah him and Tahiri was just on YouTube because it was like my girl's hot and I want people like people are entertained by us so and and and I just want to create and

entertain people no listen this is this is uh why I think him and I got along I totally dug that energy that's what oh so we were talking about misconceptions yeah here's an one that I've seen around. That people... By the way, by the way, and I want to clarify, when you're doing the dance to get to the bag, it is specific to a corporate thing. It's getting the corporate bag. It's maneuvering.

When you're an independent person and you're doing your own thing and you're moving around and building your own business with direct to consumer, I don't think that's really a, that's a direct-to-consumer thing. What you're saying is nuanced and not about people aren't going to get it, but I know exactly what you're saying. Yeah. Um, another misconception that I've seen thrown about by the people who dislike us, the DJ Vlad's and the academics of the world. I don't know if they dislike me as much as they dislike you.

Academics. Academics hates you. Glad. Glad always focuses on me. No, but Vlad's a me thing. And I don't even know why. I don't know why academics hates me. Oh, hold on.

We'll get to you in a second. Don't be so Rosenberg about this, all right? Um, what, but they, they repeatedly say that we hate on them for doing the internet thing. I'm impressed. I have no, I've never been anti-internet. That was just not the path I was able to be on. They always, everyone always comes after me and thinks the reason I hate on so-and-so is because they made it the way they made it. That's totally false. Yes, I have a lot of criticisms, particularly of academics, that gets personal. Although I will admit, even though he has been a bad guy to me, bat and gone well beyond the, pale and I'll never get into it with him again as a result. I just ignore him. I,

there are certain things that definitely impress me about him. And I think that if he wanted to do things in a different way, and that's what I've always said to him, I think he could be quite good. I just don't like a lot of the things that he propagates. His ability to work hard and create a business, I never took an issue with. My, my hate is the product. I don't hate that Vlad goes on YouTube. I hate that Vlad pays people to talk about crime on YouTube. Why do you think I'm against creating your own business? The other thing is, well, you just mad, you fumbled the bag on the internet. You're not right.

I am. Of course I am. I didn't understand it. Seif and I, when Ebro suggested we get together to do a practice show and I'm like, oh, Sight, this is like a podcast. We can do a podcast. I didn't know we were sort of reinventing the wheel to some extent. And we just thought, fun little side job.

We got to focus on radio. I mean, listen, it sounds ridiculous in retrospect. But that's what it was. was there's no question I fumbled the internet bag. That's not an argument. You're not proving a point. Yes, I definitely could have made more money on the internet. However, I'm not mad at anyone who makes their money that way.

Like, I think there's a lot of upsides and not having a boss to do in all those things. Of course. Of course. So I just don't know why the narrative, people can't focus on what one thought can be. I can be critical of the way you make your content. I brought on Vlad's page the other day. Don't ask how I got there. I guess it was a suggestion that I went, let me see what's on this guy's Instagram page.

The first interview that he's promoting is him interviewing some random jamoke. I die a jabroney. I have no idea who this guy is. And it's like so and so breaks down inside a night of a freak off with Diddy. And I'm like, this is what I criticize. This and why do you compare our content? Why does he get off going, we're in this? same space do people even understand that once you pay people for interviews do you

understand that is now a completely different field there's no journalistic part of it that is nothing anymore that is just paying for views no and I think you've spent too much time on this sorry you mean this moment or in life probably both okay but please subscribe it's ebro laur and Rosenberg we're here every day obviously With the holidays, it's not as consistent, but we'll be doing this a lot because now we are in this business more directly. Welcome to YouTube. Yeah, I haven't been on YouTube since 2004. No, it's crazy too, because you didn't actually hire me at Hot 97 because I was hot on YouTube.

Oh, wait a second. Oh, wait a second. Literally, I had been. And, you know, the only reason. reason the only reason I was I would poke fun at podcasts and and I would always tell people I don't listen to podcast I don't I've never heard our podcast I have never pressed play on our podcast I have never pressed play on Joe Button's podcast I've seen clips of videos on socials I just don't have time in the day and it's not what you want to listen to when you're moving around you listen to music if

you're moving I would prefer to listen to music or I'm on calls catching up with business stuff that I have to do. I don't think a lot of people, and I don't mind that they don't know, the stuff I have to do, that's not this sort of thing, right? Like, I don't run around- You ever listen to the daily? You ever give any podcast to play? You know what? That's one of the things I've said to myself I would like to listen to, and I haven't. And you still haven't even heard the daily. I still haven't. But I know that it's dope. But the only reason I would poke fun at at YouTube and podcast was simply because people would compare that to, you know, to what we do in radio.

It is not the same thing. Listen, man, I would poke fun at people like David Letterman who do a nightly show. You know why? Because they have 50 writers and they perform for like an hour. Pre-recorded. Not even. They're 49 minutes probably.

Whatever. Radio morning broadcasts when you're hosting, writing the content, bits, phone topics, and all of it is much more of a heavy lift. Now, hit us with the button because we never chased the- Congratulations. You played yourself. That sucks. Okay. That was, that sucks. That's not what you want. Congratulations. You played yourself. That was terrible, too. That's terrible too. But nonetheless, my point being is I poke fun at all type of because, excuse me, stuff, we're not supposed to be cursing.

Because. Right at down, Griff. Because I know that morning radio works harder than a lot of these other things. That's all. And it's a different discipline. Which is with a funny part about, you know, I observe some of the conversations. And I really love the passion that I see of people. discussing what could happen next on hot and they throw out a lot of names of funny

talented people and I'm like oh man you guys really think if you're funny on the internet just crack that mic and go okay okay pal like I I just don't think they have any clue and it doesn't mean that we're more talented it just means it is a skill that requires learning and time and effort and it is not the same as doing a podcast. That is all. Because guess what? When you have a podcast, the people who are listening have, like right now, when I just rambled on or Ebro goes on and on about something that we go too long for, they're turning off. On the radio, they're done. That's it. They're out. Here, you already saw, you already came. Maybe you fast forward 15 seconds. Maybe you just listen because you

love us. On the radio, at any given moment, given the kind of divisive personalities, Ebro and I have, at any moment there is a large percentage of the population that's waiting to push the button and leave us. Right. And you take a wrong turn and they're gone. That is not the same. This is Ebro, why I always used to get tight at comedians talking about cancel culture. I'm like, yo, if you're scared of getting canceled in a comedy club with your fans and I'm not scared to getting canceled when half the audience listening would literally be willing to write a letter to end my career. That's right.

you're a snowflake and that's what makes radio different man that you you do not have those people they got all kinds of options but remember so many people are doing podcasts and creating content on all of these platforms so few people have actually worked at a radio station right so there's just so many people who just don't know and don't care right and and and Like you said, you and I are divisive people in many ways. You're Jewish. It's not going so good right now. I'm a mixed kid.

Never really been a great thing. Never been that hot. People like light skins from time to time, but they also hate them. Hate them. Hate them. And then we have the nerve to have an opinion. How dare you? How dare you?

Yeah, there's, there's, listen, we got Laura. Laura's lovable. You know, most people don't hate on law, except for Lord Jamar. Lord Jamar. If anyone has those clips, the Lord Jamar clubs, I need to put those in my system. No, we have them. We have them all. I got to get that in there.

We have them all. And besides, they're on the internet. It's public domain. So, Ibro, you didn't think yesterday was a good time for me to tweet that the Monsterverse is overrated? So back to Nikki Minaj. I don't like what Nikki Minaj is doing. Don't like it at all. Not going to support it.

I'm also not going to ask. act like it's just taking it at face value. I think there's more going on there on a personal level that needs to be discovered over time in many ways, you know, things she's dealing with, so many things. But what I'm not going to do is all of a sudden just go start picking apart like this thing back Rosenberg, picking apart great verses that she has for no reason.

I've had these opinions, though. I just have not been able to like, it hasn't been the right time to get the main. So boom, I went through the monster verses. I read the lyrics. I didn't listen. I just read it. Yeah. And you were that impressed?

It wasn't that I was that impressed. I think people rate it based on the fact that she didn't have an album out at the time. Correct. It was Jay Z. Kanye and Rick Ross. Yes. And the way she sold her verse, the pocket she found, the energy. she found, the energy she gave, the fact that she was the closing verse.

Yeah. That's why people regard it so highly. Agreed. By the way, that's why it's a bit of a troll, because of course it's a great verse. But that's why all I said to you was, now is not the time. But it's the perfect time. No, no, no. It's not the time.

No, man, because here's the thing. Or what about that Shawnee put moment for life on our top 50 rap songs of all time? Yo, Shawnee. Shawnee didn't put, she did not. He suggested it. The barbs got busy on the internet and voted it in. No, but by the way, though, Shawnee and if it comes up right now,

we'll still fight about it. He'll be like, nah, but that moment for life. And I'm like to know. No, listen, I like that song a lot. No, it's a nice, there are a lot of nice songs, man. But that's not a top 50. Was that what we did? We did 50, right?

50. 50. 50 years of hip-hop. Top 50. that he that ended up being a top 50 rap song on our list moment for life tell tell me why you think right now is the time that you want to jump on twitter and go after niki minage's because she wants to disrespect all of us so guess what here's some disrespect you're not as great as everyone says you why is she disrespecting all of us she because she is this is to sit up there and lie to

everyone's face when you know you have an axe to grind to Yo, she lied and told us Donald Trump was dashing and handsome. You are lying to our face. I couldn't even take a series. That's what I'm saying. So I feel disrespected that you are all of a sudden pulling this overt a grift in everyone's face at a time when people are being deported. What are you talking about? She has an axe to grind.

What's she trying to get from this? She wants something. She wants something while people in this country are suffering, particularly people of color, particularly people from the neck of the woods that her family is from. These people are suffering and she has a personal act to grind and is saying F you people who made me a millionaire. I don't care about you people. I care about me. I'm going to stand next to these racists.

I'm going to kiss up to these white supremacists so I can do something for my brother or for my partner or for my citizenship or whatever her acts to grind is. You are lying to the people who made you rich who line up online and make you a superstar. Well, guess what? If you're going to be that disrespectful, I'm not going to call you out your name. I'm not going to say nasty things. But you did say something nasty. No, you're overrated.

I'm going to say you're overrated. But that's not true either. You're lying. It is. It is. She's not one of the greatest emcees of all times. She's a really good rapper who had a great marketing and a great packages. No, no, no, no.

She doesn't have a classic album. She's never made a classic. She has a lot of good songs. And she's really popular. No. End of story. No. No.

End of story. You don't have to do that, bro. She doesn't have to do that. She doesn't have to do it. But that's what I mean, but like you don't. No, I kept this, because I kept it quiet for a long time. And now I'm going to let it be known. In my opinion, she's cool.

You have an extra grind. You're still mad about Summerchan. I know, I'm still mad at how she, I'm still, I'm still mad that she sat in my face and made me pretend that it was reasonable to say that her feelings were about gender or race. And now she's against the woke mob? She was the woke one who got mad at the white guy's opinion, had to bring up gender and race, had to sit there and browbeat me.

While I was like, I guess you're right, Nikki. I shouldn't have said those things. When really, you now hate the song. You think it was a bad record. What so was it again? Starships. And you sat there and browbeat me and said I wasn't funny and I wasn't smart and I wasn't all these things.

Lasted another 10, lasted another 13 years on the box. after that happened. And I had to sit there and eat it. So yes, you're right. I do have a personal act to grind. But the truth is, but the truth is after that time, I think you've gone too far on this. I think you're, I think, I think when you look back at this, I understand. She's really good. She's really good. She's one of the great MCs, bro. She's not one of the great emcees. She's not. Who's she better than? That's great. Name a great that she's better than. You don't want to do it. You don't want to do it. She's really good. I don't.

I don't because I haven't prepared. I'm not prepared. You're not prepared. We can save it. And I'm not trying to say she didn't have a great career. She's had a really great career. She has a lot to be proud of. And in fact, it would be nice if she was humble and kind of. She's definitely one of the great women emcees off top.

There's no way you're going to say that. For sure. But she's not the best. I didn't say that. She's really good. She needs a class. She needs a true bona fide classic album. Fine, but so does Drake.

So does Drake. Hey, listen, you want to get into it. I'm not going to say he's not one of the greats either. Well, I mean, well I? He's not one of the greatest emcees of all time. He's one of the most popular greatest big name rappers of all. Most hits, what I always say? He's got the most hits.

He does have, he has the most hits. Yo, listen. Scott got hits. He's got hits. But he's not one of the greatest emcees of all time. And I'm just, and, and I don't. So do you delineate between rappers and emcees? Are you one of those?

Not really. I did it there to be cute, but no, not really. I mean, but yeah, but slightly. Because being an MC, you do, you do. An MC is, yeah, I do, I do too. Like, KRS is, you're not KRS. No. Like neither, let me say this about Nikki and Drake.

We're in the middle of nowhere. The world has restarted. And some little mini club has formed and people are gathering around. There's fire outside and hellfire and brimstone, all the things. And this club is just things happening and people are performing. And KRS 1 is one of the people who survived. And he grabs the mic and, does KRS one things.

Oh, no, bringing us back to life. He's breathing oxygen back into our lungs. I don't know that. I don't know that either one of them are jumping on immediately after him. I'll say that or next to him. Although I would think Nikki actually would hold her own probably better than Drake. Well, yeah, because I think those Caribbean roots start to shine right there. Nikki could get on that mic, B.

No, she can. She can do her thing. She can. I'm telling you, you're going to regret it. Yeah. And not because of the backlash from the barbs, But just because her delivery, you might critique her, she might not be as lyrical, vocabularical, lyrical as you want.

But her prowess, her desire to entertain to move the crowd, she has it. The problem is you're not wrong. She's obviously extremely talented. No one's going to see this part. They all just saw the first part. She's obviously. Well, no, they're only going to edit the first part. Right, right.

This part's dead. She's extremely talented. Yeah. She doesn't rap about things that are important often enough. No, no, no, no, no. Listen, that is a fact, but that's been our critique of, but once again, A lot of people. But once again, that's our critique of a lot of people.

But that's not every MC's responsibility if that's not your heart. Like I don't, and that's how courts are her heart apparently. But that's the weird part, right? No, I guess the politics are. for it she didn't want to rap about politics but she's the she's a t pusa now now if she was rapping about spirituality and not politics per se or you know uh socioeconomic conditions but she was rapping about spirituality and and and and trying to find a a better path of life yeah i mean but what are the ebro if i ask you to name the records that like

have really made you feel something. I think you're going to struggle. You mean from Nikki? Yes. I would say moment for life. Yeah, bro. No, man, she wish she had this moment for life, man. It was about being present.

It was about like, you know what I'm saying? I wish I had this moment right here for life. Let me tell you how Charlie Kirk felt about Nikki Minaj. I'd like to hear it. I'd never listen. Girls, I don't. I don't think that songs that are talking about like glorifying wet female genitalia is exactly, I don't know which one wrote that song. Which one was it? I think it was Ben Shapiro. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Great clap. Is, but, and, but by the way, the role models of the

1940s and 50s for Black America were completely different. So it is a representation issue. Hold on a second. No, no, representation. It's who do you get your art from? It's what values are they putting forward. For example, more times than not. Stop. I can't. You know, it's, it's hilarious that people really propped him up to be like so brilliant and you can hear him get out of his depth so quickly where you're like, you don't, you're just a, what are you even talking about? Like, to act like black art is so, to use a cliche term, a monolith is ridiculous. And to pretend like white people were okay with the black artists of the 40s and 50s is also hilarious. Ridiculous.

Oh, yeah, everyone was good with all that, right? Oh, yeah, rock and roll. It was embraced by white America right away. That's what black people were good, the 40s and 50s. Oh, that's when you treated the black's great. Meanwhile, meanwhile, guess what they was talking about? Excuse my language. Cect.

I'm sorry, I know, my bad. Good Lord. Yo, you know what my elders told me, man. You know the turn. Is it commonly known that the words, The phrase rock and roll is sex. Is that commonly known? No, but as you were saying it, I'm like,

oh, I guess that it would be sex. No, that is what that means. Yeah. Listen, to, I asked Issa's grandmother about it. She's from Alabama. She moved to New York when she was like, I don't know, 15, in the 60s, rock and roll, sex. Like, and it was actual slang?

It was slang. Oh, like, they're about to rock and roll. They're about to rock and roll. Wow. I'll be honest. I'm today years old. Say word. No, even though it makes perfect sense, and if you said,

hey, what do you think that means? I think I probably would have guessed it. I hadn't thought about it that it was actual slang. But it sounds, could I be honest? It sounds like some old-timey black slang. If I'm being honest. That's exactly what it sounds like.

Yes. So, boom. And it's on the internet. Rock and roll, slang primarily refers to sex, intercourse, originating from African-American vernacular English, but also describes a rebellious lifestyle, fast-living defiance. Wow. Look at that.

Look at that. So, yeah, your 40s and 50s when black artists were, and I guess, listen, they never listened to Ma Rainer. They never listened to blues, I guess, where they were talking that talk about sex. No. So stop it. Please stop it. I just, these people take it.

No, they just can't accept the fact that Charlie Kirk was a very compelling conversationalist. He was in his own way, while not our cup of tea charming, had his thing about him. and he was great at doing that thing. You hear him at these conversations. He's a regular dude at the time in his 20s and early 30s. Just talking. He's just talking. It's a marketing exercise.

Stop, man. He's a guy who was given a lot of money and a platform that was paid for to aggregate white males to get them to move a certain way. Back to get in the bag. He back to get in the bag. He did the dance to get the bag. He met the guy. Early on, he met the guy.

The guy was impressed. He's like, I could be your guy. The guy gave him the bag. He started T-Pusa. T-Pusa. Now, listen, he flipped it. I give him credit the same way you want to give Charlemagne credit. He took the money.

He flipped it. He knew what to do. But he's just the guy who did the dance to get the bag. That's it, man. And by the way, once again, I want to reiterate, everybody's out here doing a dance. If you're dealing with corporate America, you're doing a dance. Everyone's doing it.

And it's not hate when you point it out. It's how some people get to the big bag. It's how other people just have to survive. There's someone listening to us right now, man. They know they got to show up differently to just get a check. They got to do a dance. I got to cut my hair a certain way. I got to speak a certain way.

I got to dress a certain way. Well, listen, we all do it. We all do it to some extent. It's what's the extent. It's what's the extent. Although, Ebro, I did hear from a very reliable source. I need you to confirmers and I this. All right, all right.

Because obviously you have to be a little different when you go to Apple. I mean, you dress the same. You do that all that. But I'm sure when you talk to Tim Apple, your voice goes up, a half octave. You know what I mean? Tighten up a tab. Oh, I soften the voice. You soften the voice.

we all do it, right? I'm not cursing. No, everyone, and everyone knows my code switching is well documented on based on where I am. You turn effeminate, which is interesting. But I do that interestingly around black women only. Oh, God, I'm full on gay. It's different.

I do sound like one of the whites more when I'm at the sports talk than when I'm here. Although right here one-on-one with you, I sound very white. Add Shawnee and like Cass and all of a sudden my tone changed. Like once I'm in the group, And now I'm just the one white guy in a group of non-white people, my code switch app. It is what it is. We are who we are. Code switch, man.

So, but I need you to answer. By the way, and anybody listen to this, you soften your voice for your grandmother. Yeah, everyone code switches. It's ridiculous. You soften your voice for the old lady you help in the building. So here's my question. Yeah. I heard from a very reliable source, DJ academics.

Okay. that the day after you, the hot 97th thing went down, the next Monday. Yeah. You showed up early. Normally, you're late. Normally, no, you're yelling, you're cursing. Go get me a coffee. Blah, blah, blah.

You were on your best behavior. You were toned down. And you were the subservient employee the following Monday. He said he had a source. He said he had a source in the building. That's right. He said, well, no, he posted the video. No, you posted the video.

No, no, but he reposted the video. But the video was yours. Yeah, but he reposted it and said, look, he showed up to work early. You didn't see that part? I did. That was so good. I'm not going to lie. That was funny.

No, I'm not going to want us. That was bad funny, bro. It was mad. And once again, I'll say it again. I can't believe the amount of promotion that I got. And I want to say thank you to all of you for whatever, whether it was based in hate or love. But you know, there's a thin line. I appreciate all of you.

Yeah, I thought for a job that felt like no one cared, they said, everyone said they were over it. It was, it was interesting. Now, well, it's going to be interesting as this plays out over time because most people never heard us on the internet folk didn't hear us. I don't think in the morning also. Right. They just saw clips. And by the way, since no one paid for marketing, they didn't even see many clips. So it's going to be interesting as this plays out over the next years, the conference.

conversations that we have. It's going to be really interesting. Yeah, because all people know of us, the average person, all they know of us, is the interview moments. Maybe the interview moments. That's really it. I think most people won't know.

So it'll be an interesting time. So it's a wonderful time to be alive. And I want to thank Charlamagne the guy for the $200 million bag. That's right. for the $200 million bag that has opened the door, it's right for all of us to be on YouTube. It's IHeart's bag.

Well, they got a billion. From Netflix? Yes, right. I'm trying to see. I don't even know much about I heart, to be honest with you. What's a big ask him? What are you talking about? I don't know much about Bob Pittman.

What do you need to know? I don't know. What kind of guy he is? What? I just don't know much about him. Man, subscribe everybody. What are we talking about now? So, so, um, the show's over.

No, well, real quick, I had to tell you, I did something yesterday that I'm guessing you've done many times because you're a sickly individual. And when I say that, I mean allergenic folk. I did, I never used a netty pot. Oh, those things are wonderful. Well, but you know me. I can't just get a netty pot. The doctor told me about the fancy one you can get. What's the fancy?

The navage. I've heard of it, but I've never used it. It's like a thing and you, and you plug the two things into your nose and you hold. the button down and it runs the water through one side and out the other and it stays contained instead of like what y'all people do this lean over the lean over the sink with the pouring nastiness i do that that's scary that that looks scary to me and i've never done it so i you'd rather plug a machine up to your nose and let it just flush through your face that didn't look scary if honestly no i watched both so it's so less scary so i would prefer to have control over the the the the the

water being flushed up my face. Yo. So is it the right feeling that I had, though, that it feels a little bit like you're underwater swimming and like water got up your nose? Yeah. That's like what it feels like, right? Yeah. I will say, though, like while it was an unpleasant experience,

like slightly unpleasant, yo, the feeling afterwards it hits. Yeah, all day. Now, if you want to take it up a notch, once you cleanse that out, put a little Vicks vapor rub, if you're doing it for like, like sick reasons.

Yeah, that's not what I am. You really wanted to get into your, you know what I mean? Follow it up with the Vaparu right on. A little Viva Paru right here, boom, just a little bit. Because remember, you're sensitive, so you don't want to OD.

Now, real quick, how often when you're sick do you want a netty pot? I don't know. I have no idea. Ask your doctor. It's above my pay grade. That's your, oh, Ebro's new line is that's above my pay rate.

That's, that's part of new Ebro. You know, that's, he's, listen, I, I believe that, I believe that the, the way we went. out like we knew we were going out at some point and i think ibra laura and i all had different feelings on when and how and who wanted what whatever yo for eight months minimum we have been

talking about you know the show's going to be over soon this show's going how many times how long countless and then shonnie's going nah but what are they going to do and i'm like shani it has to it has to when shani hit me day off he's like what the f yo i went shani i told you it's only ending one of two ways yo but shani doesn't listen Johnny is literally the definition of don't listen. He does not listen. I try to tell him. But I believe that the way that this whole thing went down,

I think it took Ebro down a peg. Now Ebro went from he just tells you what it is to he might hit you with a, I don't know, man, it's above my pay grade. Nothing was above his pay grade up two weeks ago. I'm telling you. But he's now he's, he's among the unwashed masses now. He doesn't. I have no authority.

It's over. So yeah, it did happen in a way that I didn't expect. And I was telling Natalie yesterday, I said, just so you know, because I've been good the whole time. Like I haven't been emotional. I've been good. I said, they're going to be probably moment. It's going to be like a loss over time where I'm sure I'm going to get hit with it at different times. Wait.

Well, what? The loss of not of that, of that brand, even though it's not the same. Media Co is not the same as it, Emmys was. But not being a part of Hot 97, that being my life for so long. I'm sure it's going to hit me at different times. Yeah, but, you know, it already was hitting you when they were doing things and you were like, what? And where am I? Yo, it hit me every day.

Well, not every day. But any time that Instagram account pops up on my timeline, promoting Trump or promoting Jake Paul or promoting. You know how long ago? Do you know how long ago? That's when it hit me. I was like, bro, what's happening? Like this isn't, this doesn't even reflect what the brand is. It's its own entity now.

Do you know how, this is a small thing. Do you know how crazy it was to me when I had the baby and there was no social public acknowledgement on Hot 97 of congrats to our very own Rosenberg? I was like this, in any previous iteration of what this radio station was, this would have been an, and instead, when you look at what it was, it was whatever that day was Trump or the Paul brothers or whatever the thing was. And not a word.

I'm like, this is, and it's not about my ego. I know it sounds like it is. It's not about my ego. It's about understanding what your morning show means to your listeners and that you wouldn't want to share that with your listeners. Meanwhile, Ebro took the post and you posted it and did a congratulations. That joint, the engagement was insane. And I'm like, and y'all, you care so little about what we do on the radio side that you don't even know the stuff that's good for engagement because you don't understand the radio part that we do.

So we approach social media as an extension of the brand, right, as an extension, a way to connect beyond the airwaves, but not its own thing. I don't know if that still was their thing. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, they thought of social media as simply it's social media and it's its own business. It has nothing to do with nothing. Well, that was part of it. We felt very separate. And another thing that set me off.

I mean, if Ebro paid attention to me more because in the morning, especially on Zoom, there were times when I would just ramble and both Ebro and Laura would be looking at their phone and I would just be complaining about things. I probably heard it. But I was like, why do you even care, man? We do our show. No, and you probably, it was probably for the best for you. But one thing that sent me, sent me over the top was, I mean, I skip. Summer Jam this year for the first time. I thought you were busy.

I was. However, could I have asked WWE? No wonder we got fire, man. Yeah, I know, exactly. Could I have- You weren't even supporting the radio station? Could I have asked WWE to shift my tape? Maybe there's a world in which I could have done that,

but I was so, Summer Jam had become such a shell of itself. The fact that it was on a Friday in an arena, at the end of June. Like everything that made Summer Jam, summer jam was gone. The date, the time of day, the time of month,

the time of arena, everything about it was gone. The artist to some extent. Funkflex was still DJ. Funflex was still DJ. Listen, I think Funkflex is going to still be DJ no matter what happens. Apparently he's taking the morning show in 2029.

Can you? make sense that by the way i don't know i was told he clarified it i asked him what and said yes he meant 2029 i was i was i was griff i don't know if you saw that but i was told that he clarified it and said yes he did mean he's taking over mornings in 2029 now i bro correct me if i'm wrong that's not nice lu correct me what correct correct me if i'm if i'm wrong 2029 is three years from now. Yeah. Normally in radio,

wouldn't it take two and a half, three years to get a new morning show really in a groove? So we, listen, it's a new day. The way we used to approach developing shows in radio was that you don't even measure whether or not the show is working for 18 months. For 18.

18 months is the minimum to even know what do you have, do we have anything? What's working? What's not working? What is it? And then the next 18 to 24 months or what? Is where you focus on the things that are working and do more of the good stuff

and less of the bad stuff to build an actual brand. Because I know. You know, the morning show at ESPN, New York, my show here in New York, I do a show on ESPN. And I thought you got five. No, no, no, it's hot 97. And there's a morning show, D.P.A.O. and Rothenberg. Yes. Like those guys. They've gotten really good.

How long have they been on together? See, that's, they have now started to find a groove where they're rating and doing real things. I think they're into year four. See, that's right on time. Something like that? Yeah. So, but I know it took at least two for them to even start, especially if you got a behemoth down the street. That's right.

And Boomer Assison, you know, is huge in New York, has been forever on the fan. That's right. And I don't know if you know this in New York. There's a morning show and hip hop called the Breakfast Club that's rather popular. Yeah. So if you have a behemoth on the dial, it's going to take you some time to make inroads. Are you going to work really hard to make the inroads and then say, and now introducing our new morning show host in 2029. I just, I'm good, I was very confused by.

But maybe it'll make more sense. I'll tell you one thing. I do not want to defend Hot 97, but people were coming after those three people they announced as their new talents. Yeah. They were not, unless it was the worst announcement of all time, they weren't saying those are the new morning hosts. Well, yeah, I don't know what they were saying,

but I guess, I'll tell you this, it wasn't a time to announce any hosts. Why would you announce any hosts in that? Well, I don't know how they thought it was going to land. I don't know, but let me tell you how it landed. Not like you wanted it. Oh, this is going to suck. Whatever's going to happen next is going to be telling.

Oh, no, that was actually good. It took too long, but it was the right sound. That was good. It was good. We have gotten to the end of the Ebro-Laura Rosenberg show, and we'd like you to subscribe, share, do all the things that people on the Internet's do with things that they like. Yeah, and the podcast, too, if you like the audio,

you know, if that's something you enjoy. at some point there may be different offerings that you get on the audio than you get on the YouTube and things like that and uh so you know go find definitely we got plans we got plans there are things in the work things are gone do you agree with Joe button saying that we're we were divulging too much of our plans too soon listen Joe made it work for him um so it's hard for me to question him business-wise because I at a time worked with Joe Budden and he became very rich and I just stayed me. So I can't question him. However, no, I think we made the right choice. I think we had to move immediately. I don't think he- Well, no, I think he thinks we were

over-communicating while we moved. What were we, what do we communicate? I don't know. I don't know what he's like, hey, we're going to do this for a while and then we're going to do something else. Yeah, he thought maybe it was too, you know, too much. You know, maybe, maybe we don't have enough self-respect and we could have just gone away and then pop back up. But I thought it was important with radio where you're, you don't want to lose people. And when you're top of their mind,

I thought it was important. We hit them and let them know that we have things in the work. But, hey, listen, Joe, hey, Joe, if you want to come with, you know, have a huge conversation. He's not come. I think we see. I'd be interesting to see who sees us as competition now and won't support our endeavor or need us at all.

He's been inviting me on his program for a while so I'm sure that invitation that's cool because he's never invited me on and it's crazy because I started it I don't think he likes you no I think Joe likes me you don't think Joe like remember that whole interview with Marissa Mendez in studio he was mad at you too but why do you always take the moments

what was he mad at me about go back and watch it he didn't just walk out on me I mean out on y'all mostly oh it was it was because I was being like why were you a jerk to Marissa and I was trying to mediate I was trying to mediate yeah in that case you may be right but I don't think he dislikes me. I just think that he, you know, him and I,

he's the first rap person I ever knew. I don't know if he takes it seriously when I, when I sort of joke about, hey, man, you can send me a check. I don't. He doesn't take it seriously, and I don't think he cares. Yeah, but I also think he doesn't like, there's a theme, though.

Joe doesn't like being reminded of times when he may have done someone slightly wrong. he doesn't like it he'd rather ignore it move on i do believe that and and i'm not saying like i i made i made i made mistakes in the joe situation i definitely did but you know you could we could i thought i thought it could we could at least have an interesting conversation about it publicly he's never even we've never even chatted about it publicly he doesn't want to go back he doesn't want to go back like he didn't want to go back to mendes who was on the first he's forward forward yeah well and listen and then when and when he gets bored of

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