The Ebro, Laura, Rosenberg Show - 49.) The Dream Joins The Program + The American Nightmare Continues (3/5/26)

Episode Date: March 5, 2026

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Just don't call in a podcast. Okay. Getting close to the weekend. Ebro and Laura and Rosenberg. Laura, you all right over there? What's happening? Uh-oh. Technical difficulty.

Laura, you okay? Yeah, I'm good. All right. She's back. She's back. We're going to have special guests The Dream today. Another interview. It's been a busy, busy week.

Listen, and we're not done. We, you know. Who's tomorrow? Tomorrow we're supposed to have Lena Waith join us virtually. Yes. And we're supposed to have C.C. Sabathia. Oh, that's right. A little sports talk for a moment tomorrow.

Not only that, but celebrating his jersey induction, right? Yeah. Like, that just got announced. Yes. What do they call it? Monument Park. But, yo, the T.I. T.I. was moving?

See, I rang off, bro. I haven't looked at any of the numbers. What are you seeing? It's been consistently ringing off, getting shared on social media, getting shared by websites. I mean, shared by the breakfast club. Yeah, this is Ebro-Laugh-Rosembourg show as featured on the breakfast club. Yo, a dream come true.

Speaking of the dream, to make it to the breakfast club. I mean, it's going, damn, man. They're trying to help us out. They see us out here, a fledgling, a little show. That's right. And they're trying to, you know. Just a little YouTube show trying to make it. You know what I mean?

Trying to survive the game. Which by the way, I'm mocking, but it's true. So thank you. Wait, why are you mocking? Well, like, because I'm teasing because obviously, you know, we feel like a little bit more than a little fledgling YouTube show trying to make it. We have more of an operation here. But that is what we are.

Like, we are, you know, it is a full start over. Starting over with a lot of support and thoughts and, you know, and experience. But it doesn't change the fact that it's what's happened. Now, when you look at the T.I. interview, do you feel like the response we're getting is because he was just currently the most talked about thing? Or because we actually did a good job with the interview? I think it's a combination and that's okay. I saw both. I legitimately saw people saying I've never watched your full show before.

This is great. Wow. And I saw a lot of people. He does have a hive, though. Of course. I saw that too. I wasn't quite aware that T. I still had a hive like that.

I guess the reality show life, because most artists can like, when they get to a certain veteran status, they don't necessarily have such an active, he has a very active fan base. That was excited to see. And I will say with this beef that's going on, the,

you know, usually everybody runs to like, oh my God, 50 this, 50 this. Everybody has rallied around him and his family and are very much like, this is why we love him. Because he's a family man. He's a protector. I love the way he.

He articulates his love for his family. I call him Cliff, personally. Okay. But Tip, sure. And then, so yeah, I saw a lot of that. And I saw people were like, let me go watch this interview. The clips that were moving around. And because we talked about King.

Yes. And King called up. And I bro wasn't paying attention in that moment. So he ruined my joke. And that was bad tag teamwork by Ebro. Because I said my line knowing what he would say. That's right. But he didn't say because he wasn't paying attention.

I wasn't. She said, tip, blah, blah, blah. And I said, I call him Cliff. And then I know if you were paying attention, you would have said, you absolutely do not call him Cliff. And I would have said, nope, never called him Cliff. I don't know if that would have been my line. What do you think you would have said? My line would have been A-O.

I call him Cliff. Why is that a pause? No, because you call him Tip. No, she calls him Tip. I call him Cliff. Oh, got it. Okay, all right. Like the Cliff Bar.

Like the Cliff Bar. But no, what I was deep in on, I'm sorry, what I was deep in on. And before we came into this, I've been watching this Texas primary conference. Oh, okay, okay, okay. James Tolerigo wins, Beach, Jasmine, Crockett for the Democratic nominee down in Texas primary. But one of the conversations that I'm seeing is how people, you know, TikTok is now the Ellison family.

That's Oracle. That algorithm, that whole thing on TikTok is locked into that. Correct. So they're suppressing content that doesn't align with their ideals. Yes. Now, their ideals are Christian nationalism, white supremacy, pro-Zionism, all. that kind of stuff, pro-Trump, MAGA, that is the people who run TikTok, that is their alignment. So then a lot of people are like, my content's getting suppressed about talking even about the

success of the Democrats in the primary in Texas, because the Texas, the institution that is Republicans, Texas, MAGA, doesn't want the country to know how many people came out in support of James Tolarico and turning Texas into a blue state. And I guess who came out for Crocky because it's the total of what she got a million and something votes. She got a million like he only beat her by like 100,000 votes.

Right. But 2 million plus came out for the Democratic primary. For the Democratic primary. And they don't want to talk about that. They don't want that to be the convoy. Of course not. And so people are also jumping on Instagram and noticing that their content is not being shared So now, and this is important, with the Paramount Plus and the Warner Brothers of it all, basically institutional media is under the control of conservative Christian white nationalists. Yes.

A lot of it, sure. What is it? NBC maybe. Because you can't even really trust meta anymore. Say it again? You never could. You can't even trust meta anymore. So that was going to be my next slide. Then you have Zuckerberg of it all

Who's got to, you know, play the game Then you got Musk Then you got, I mean, that's Twitter Gone, gone But that was still a thing Yeah So you're you have this YouTube thing That seems still pretty agnostic

Right? Like it doesn't feel like content gets suppressed No, they say They have all kinds of They're showing it all Right? It seems like It seems like

So anyway, that's what I was deep down The rabbit hole on I'm really trying to wrap my brain around If you are trying to tell a story, a mainstream news story about the political climate, where are you going? Because ABC is Disney

and remember they already went after Kim, they were able to get to Kimmel inside ABC, the FCC was. That is interesting though, right? Because Kimmel came back with a vengeance. That's right. He's back and he's talking full on that is. So on some level Disney, I guess, stepped up on some level to saying we're okay with this. Yes.

Because he's going hard. How long is it going to last though? I don't know. I don't know. Well, this is all Gary Disney, listen, these companies can fight if they want. The problem was the first ones that started folding really set it up for everybody to have to fold. Well, no, I think what happened first was people played the game. They went up, they did the dance.

They did the dance. They showed up to the White House. Hey, we're all here. We're here, man. Here's a million. Here's a couple of millions. Do you want to build a ballroom? All right, cool.

Here's some money. Oh, yeah, nice drake. Listen, money, money, money, money. I'm here, I'm here, I'm here. I'm giving you gold bars. I'm at award ceremonies. Yeah, we're fine. Everybody's dancing.

So everybody did that to preempt the kind of like negative blowback from the White House attacks to protect their stock price because that's what it was for. Stock price, got it. All of this is for stock price, right? And so now the question is, as we get close to midterms, the fight is on to shape the narrative. Who's going to be able to control the megaphone? because if we get to November and we're able to effectively

take Congress back as people who are like this White House is out of hand, that's when you start to see the House of Cars fall. Because people keep going, where are the Democrats? Where's Congress? Where's this? Where's that? You're also seeing, I'm sure, on your algorithm, you guys are seeing Republicans attacking the Trump administration

for their decision on Iran. Yeah. And being dragged into Iran by Israel. And I will say, I don't say, I don't see it as much as I used to. Like in the past month, it's slow down. I have to look for it or if somebody sends it to me, but I don't see it anymore. That is possible too.

I don't see it. But they're not happy. It's not being well-received. No. But I'm watching all this. I feel like, you know, I don't think it's hyperbole, man, when people are talking about the democracy being over, man.

I don't think it's hyperbole. I don't think it's hyperbole to be discussing what's going on in the United States. States of America right now as not a significant shift to the way not only we're perceived abroad but how a generation growing up right now actually perceives the United States that's not that's not being overstated in any way shape or no there was a time 2016 2017 when it felt like there were moments where all of us were like being slightly hysterical about the whole thing and everything has happened everything is basically the only thing that didn't happen that I didn't have on my bingo card really was of course the pandemic

followed by then Biden winning because I just assumed Biden wouldn't have won and it would have kept rolling from the last one but then what I also didn't have the bingo card was Biden would win we'd all think oh my God we like sort of defeated it and that he'd come back four years later and that that's even more dangerous I think how do you think about this take

I think we would have been better off in the long run. I'm not talking about the COVID part. Although I don't know how in the end how different Trump would have been because Trump was kind of vaccine friendly by that point. Yeah, because remember he went and got vaxed.

He got vaxed and was like... Even though he told you to drink bleach. Yeah. He was trying to appease the anti-vaxxers while he was kind of like, you know, Operation Warp Speed. I'm removing the COVID things. It's complicated.

But I feel that minus COVID, we might have been better off having Trump's terms back to back. than what we got. Because I think the four years between has made them more dangerous. I think it allowed them more time to figure out how to put things in place. I don't think we would have recovered from COVID as fast. That's why you can't really remove the COVID part, I suppose, right? Because that would have made it. And I don't think COVID happens without Trump in 2016. If Trump's not there in 2016, it doesn't

happen. They had an office of people who dealt with this sort of thing. Because remember, the president of the United States and many of these people in Congress, they don't know stuff. they don't know everything. No. They are not professionals in every... The president of the United States often isn't a professional at anything other than politics.

He doesn't know... Trump doesn't know about anything. No, I'm saying... And most of them. I'm saying presidents in general are not like this end-all, be-all, know-it-all. They have people who are specialists advising them.

They have a staff of 1,400 people or some crazy number. And remember, in the first term, Trump could not or did not fill positions or just completely shut down offices of people who could be like, sir, we have a problem. This is what we need to do. There is a country in China or there's a city in China that is 8 million people in it. They've shut it down. We need to do something.

Matter of fact, we need to work with them to get as much information as we can not blame them, not create an adversarial relationship. not talk to scientists. Right. Or think we somehow live on an island and we're untouchable by ourselves. That's the most dangerous thing that's happening right now. China is actively supporting Iran and nobody's talking about it. Bro, that's so scary. China flew 19 planes into Iran, turned off their transponders, and delivered weapons to them two

nights ago. So, but that, so what you're saying is that hints at that World War could be on the table. No, no, no. This is active, bro. This is not a game. You guys effed around, played around and elected a

madman and his idiot white supremacist friends to run a country and think you could run around the globe and bully people. They are not playing. Iran is not playing.

Sorry. And they played the first time. The first time they did the dance. Yeah. You went in, you blew things up. They didn't really fight back. They kind of sent some half-ass missiles that they knew would get intercepted. And now they're not doing that. Because you know why? At the end of the day,

you know why? What people really want? I firmly believe this. They want to take care of their country economically. Have a prosperous country, get people's jobs and do stuff. and go on about their business. They want to sell their little oil

and they don't want to be told what they can and can't do. Right. And yeah, they may be doing nasty things, but guess what? So are all the people telling them that they shouldn't be doing it? So you put a gun to their head and said, you guys can't have guns.

That's the one rule. The U.S. has normalized that they tell Iran you're not allowed to have nukes. Listen, I'm not saying it's great for Iran to have nukes, but how can you tell them not to and everyone else? You have it.

China has it. The Russians have it. Israel has it. It lies about it. So how are you supposed to tell them not to? That's the only recourse they would have to try to have a deterrent. So this wouldn't happen. And now you're showing them exactly why they need it. You run by idiots. Like we have crossing Cash Patel, bro, leading the FBI. What do we say? Well, and remember, Laura, we're not even in this with Iran if we would have left them alone 60 years ago. It's not even happening. But what have we just left them alone from 2018? Well, remember Obama did a bad deal.

And nobody's really talking about that. Trump tore up the deal that Obama. You know what? Matter of fact, Rassan, this guy does good explaining. I don't know if you guys follow him. He calls himself Sully. Okay.

Have you seen this guy where he trusts anyone named Sully? Well, no, where he stacks the cups up and he explains like how things work. And he does it pretty much in layman's terms. Okay. It's called the Iran nuclear deal debacle. Let's see this video. America, we're going nuclear today. We're going to go back in time to the year 2015.

Coach Sully. We examine the Iranian nuclear stockpile. This is a display of the 10,000 kilograms of uranium 3.5% that Iran had in 2015. That is the uranium that is used in nuclear reactors by all countries around the world. But at the same time, they had significantly enriched it. And the Green Cups, 20% enriched uranium. they had 370 kilograms of that. And then something extraordinary happened

that hadn't happened in over 60 years where the Mullahs of Iran finally decided to engage with the West and a deal was struck. And the deal was simple. You denuclearize, we will remove sanctions. Now, you've got to fast forward to 2018 under Donald Trump and after tens of thousands

of easily verifiable inspections by the International Nuclear Committee, by tens of thousands of inspections from our allies, as many as 10 snap inspections per day, and over 3,000 inspections in 2018 alone, Iran was down to 300 kilograms of the 3.5% uranium, and they eliminated their 20%. Against the advice of his national security advisor who told them about all the nuclear reports, against the advice of all our allies who told them about all of the inspections, he canceled the deal. Because not only did he cancel it, he sanctioned them. Now, they have 215 kilograms of 3.5% uranium.

They have 278 kilograms of the 20% uranium, and unbelievably, they now have 409 kilograms of 60% enriched uranium. On the way to nukes. On their way to the 90%, which is nuclear warhead. So in layman's terms, you have a country that has the ability to do something. You strike a deal with them. You may not like the terms of the deal.

I don't know any deal that everybody likes all the terms of, but you kind of keep controls on what was going on in the rain. Fast forward to now, and it makes me think with Trump saying, oh, Israel didn't drag us into this, this was your plan all along. You tore up the deal in 2018 so that we could get to this point so you could say they're on their way to make nuclear warheads.

Why? Because Netanyahu's been saying that since the 90s. They're two weeks away. They're two weeks away. That's why you tore up the deal in 2018. so that now you can get to this point and go, look, they're weeks away from it. But why? But why do you want to do that?

Why? Because they want to expand Israel, bro. They want to take out Iran and control that space and expand Israel. They've been openly talking about it. You haven't seen the videos of Netanyahu and all the people in Israel that are the crazy right-wingers talking about this destiny to expand Israel's borders? All the way to Iran? Yes, they want to take like southern Iran. They want to take Syria.

Syria is a disaster right now, bro. After who went in there, the United States. But we install stability. No. You know who they put in charge of Syria, a guy that was on like the terrorist list 10 years ago. Now he's all good with the Republicans and he's the head of the whole thing.

Congratulations. You played just... You guys got, listen, it's a lot going on, bro. And I'm telling you, we have played ourselves. We're in a bad, bad way. I can't even understand. I don't know what to do though. I got to tell you guys.

You can't. I don't feel great about being in the city right now. I really don't. This isn't where you want to be. Is it? And we're being honest. Is this where you want to be? In America right now.

I live on the Upper West Side. I want to live in Jew town in New York City right now. Is that really where I want to be? A Jew in Jew town. The name of my biography. I don't want to, what am I doing? I need to get off this damn island and live on, That is a good name of biography.

A Jew in Utah? But like, seriously, don't... But anyway, I just share that info. You're freaking me out. You can't now just go in anyway. Everyone's shook now. No, you should be. All the E-L-R-Me is...

So that at some point you have a conversation with your friends, neighbors, whatever, and tell them to stop playing around and electing bozos. I don't believe... Listen, I don't believe most of the world. The same way, look, I don't know if you guys pay attention, but I look at Israel as a nation of people just like America

who doesn't like their leadership and was trying to put them in jail. Well, half of them. Half. Which is America. Which is America. It's just like America. And I believe most of the world

knows that we're trying to figure out how to get these people in jail. And maybe that's me trying to make myself feel better. You make my stomach hurt. Guys, you can't ignore it. It's a disaster. And I will say yesterday, I had lunch with a friend of mine

who's an organizer and she said to me I don't think we're going to have midterms a lot of people straight up yeah a lot of people was like it's not going to happen and I'm like well here's it can't be here's the perfect but here's the perfect setup because we thought it would maybe come

from the protesting we thought it would come from Minneapolis that got wrapped up right now the ice thing is calmed for a moment at least for those of us who are privileged enough to not have it affect our daily lives however God for bid a terrorist attack? Oh, man. If there were a

terrorist attack and then the U.S. will go hellfire and brimstone to the rest of the world, well now we can't have people outside. Now we're going to change. Then you go to Netanyahu. Because you know Trump could be talking to Netanyahu like wait, how do you stay in power forever? Yeah. I just stay in war. October 7. Yeah, October

7 is how I stay in power forever. And Trump goes, oh, we need to have an October 7th. I mean, I know there are some people out there who probably believe that the idea is impossible, that leadership would do that to a place where they'd say, hey, I'm okay with something terrible happening because it will empower me more. But I'm sorry, I historically don't believe that. I'm not even just talking about Trump in general. All of this stuff is possible. You have to believe. Well, I will say this. According to, and I just looked at it again,

I read this article, the Trump administration has no legal authority to invoke national security and take over elections. And I've heard this in multiple places. The problem is, is legal authority. What world are we operating in where people are following laws? Well, isn't he supposed to talk to Congress about going to war also? There's a woman who listens to us, her and her husband, I see them at Alvinale.

And they love our show. They're very appreciative of us, and they even support this new platform. They used to listen to us when we were all hot. Thank you. And they've come to me. Love the show. Love what you guys talk about. Love what you stand for, blah, blah, blah, blah. She's a judge. And so I saw her the other day and I said, what are you guys going to do after we figure out how to get out of this as a democracy? Because the judicial branch and the legislative branch has no enforcement arm. No, only the feds do.

Only the executive branch has an enforcement arm. So they've found a gray, area, a loophole, a weak point, whatever you want to call it, in the entire democracy, where if you cannot enforce the loss, this whole gentleman's handshake of like how our democracy works, it's not cutting it, bro. No, we have people who don't care about it anymore. So now you're hoping the military folks are like, listen, our job is to protect the Constitution, but they're waiting for orders. Last we heard this week, the people giving them orders think we're in a religious.

lynchist war. So we got work to do people, and y'all got to, y'all non-voters out there got to stop acting like it's all the same. You're going to see it's very different, unfortunately. Very, very different. It's very different, man. There's people who respect the democracy and there's people who disrespect. But that's the thing that makes this so different than any other time.

And that's why I get frustrated when anyone compares any other time. We could go through all of them. Bush and Clinton, Bush and Gore, second Bush and Gore, all of these people, I could play Ashanti cultures. They're kind of all the same game. I can play. They're not, but I can play the game with you. Because at least they were like, well, we do all line up by the Constitution.

That's right. That's over. Now it's the side that believes in the Constitution. In other words, America, what the paper is, America. And people who at, no, no, I don't believe in that. I believe that America is worship of Donald Trump. That's what America is. There is no constitution.

There is no law that governs people. Or worship, even if it's not him, of what he's representing on behalf of, right? Because I still firmly believe. All of that. Yeah, running rough shot over everyone, letting the rich run this country with no sort of... Corporations, all of it. No checks and balance. No, guys, once they said that they want the AI to be able to kill on its own, I just went,

oh, now I get how you get into the religious part of Antichrist talk. Now I get Antichrist talk. They want to let machines kill people without anyone control. So okay. I guess this is what we're dealing with. But it's all the same.

And it's so not all the same. And you will run into like nice civil people who will be like, everything's fine. Yeah. It's politics. But it'll work out. It's America. No, bro. Well, so, and I don't even understand how people could say that when you saw people storm the Capitol. Not a big deal.

Violently. No. Right? Something did happen after that. Some people went to jail. And then someone was elected and got all of those people out of jail. Yes. And those people received money.

And the people who got them out of jail or supported them in their storming of the Capitol were the wife of a Supreme Court justice. the family of the president senators and judges firemen teachers all right so I'm being serious I'm legitimately stressed out now how do we calm this down on our way to bring

the dream's coming up the dreams coming up the dream's coming up and in between there the original gurus can step in would that help you feel better we're gonna try well here we go hey yo it's top of the gurus Rosenberg

alright you know you are beautiful queen ebro don't ever play your You're not a guru. All right. The original gurus at gmail.com. The original gurus at gmail.com. For the gurus unite. Ah.

To shine the light. Ah. You're going to have to burn extra sage, please. Sorry. And give me a tongue. That's not burning sage. All right, Rosenberg. Who's out there?

Who needs to. Zen. Zen. Zen. The original gurus at gmail.com. The original gurus at gmail.com. Your desk station for clarity. Good morning.

time listener, super proud of you guys for going indie. It's a breath of fresh air. Now for the tea. I was in a relationship with a long time friend. It took us years to even start dating because it never seemed like the right time. We finally got together and she informed me that the roommate she's been living with is her ex-boyfriend. She told me they're just roommates because they can't afford rent here in good old California. And they both have children from previous relationships and their children have their own space. They're both in relationships. He's dating someone else and they don't view each other like that, but after meeting the dude, I don't believe that. At first, we always spent time at my place because I was uncomfortable even going over there,

and I tried to be understanding because I have genuine feelings for her. I told her this wasn't something I was comfortable with because he's paying most of the rent and she handles the bills and food. Lately, he's been acting funny, doing little petty stuff like being extra messy and disrespectful. I finally told her that I'm not going to just watch this cat disrespectful behavior in silence, but she told me not to say anything because she has nowhere else to go with her child, and I only have a one bedroom apartment or I'd say live with me. Am I tripping for ending things?

She's begging me for another chance but I just think it's a messy situation I want no part of. Should I give her the benefit of the doubt or keep it pushing? Asking the gurus for their expert opinion. I will weigh in on the snowflake side of things. If you really like this girl a lot,

like you guys, how long they've been dating for? It took us years to even start dating, but she didn't say how long they've been dating. If you've known each other for years and you've been fond of her the whole time. Now y'all are finally dating. And this is a weird and uncomfortable situation. I think if you care for her,

you get on the same page about this not being ideal and working towards it ending. I don't think you just burn it down. Not for me. Unless something's happening where like you're being incredibly disrespected. Sounds like she's having roommate problems with the guy she used to date and you don't like that.

And I understand why he doesn't like that. So do I. I don't want to walk into that mess either. But is that a reason? if you like are into someone not be with her but isn't that on you opted to get into the scenario that says to me you didn't do enough research before you decided to make this a part of your life why you blaming her you know for something she's trying to get out of you didn't give her enough time in between you jumped right in that's on you my guy listen I don't like it

but I hear you Rosenberg and I feel like to your point if he really likes her and she's on the same page where she's like look this is strictly financial and it's not good I don't want it to continue. Yes. Let's create a plan so you can get out. And if she's like, yeah, let's work towards it. Help me. Help myself. Now listen, if the relationship's brand new and you're like, this just ain't worth all the drama, I got no problem with that. Sure. But they know each other mad at long as you said. That's what I'm saying. But you know each other for a long time. And if you're really into the girl. He's been plattin. He's been plotting, he's been planning. You've been laying in the tall grass waiting for her thing to fall apart. And now you get your shot and you

mad that she hasn't wrapped up her other thing because you didn't give it enough time. And she has a kid which makes it real life and you don't have another opportunity for her if you had said hey you know what i'm going to go find a new two-bedroom place and let's just we'll figure it out give her an option but if she doesn't have an option life is real bro if you like her see if you can make it well i'm hitting the rider with congratulations you plagued it i respect it me too but i do think that if it's worth it work towards like stick to a plan and if that plan begins to derail at one point and you don't feel like she's really truly working towards like getting out of that situation then you're you'll realize that this.

Hit her with the yo, ma. I'm here for you. I really enjoy this. Let me know when you wrap that thing up over there. And if you need help, I got your back. But you got to wrap that up. You could do that too. You could say, hey, I'm not ready for this to be like a full-time serious thing until that's

wrapped up. For now, I'm your friend. But you should have said that before, which is why I'm hitting you with the button. Because you knew. You knew what time it was this whole time. So figure your- Congratulations, you played yourself. So we're saying congratulations you played yourself.

If you really like her stay with her, if not walk away. associate the guru, some version of it. I don't have an outro, but we do have... Wait, what? The dream, give it up for the dream one time, stepping in the rule. Yeah, I mean? Yeah, I mean, what's up, my guy? Yo, listen, man, the dream just stepped in.

He's rich. He's trying to rob me already, man. It's crazy. It's crazy to see the dream admiring things on Ebro and saying, like, oh, Ebro has money. I'll tell you who has money. What? The MF and dream. I don't know what y'all talking about.

We're counting. We're looking in the wallet early today. Yeah, look at his wrist and really. rings. I was like, I saw all the spark was like, that's pretty nice. Well, but the, but the illest part is the hard work, the hard work that went into it, bro. Let's talk about it. The hard work that went into it, not only just being an artist, but just being a songwriter and the amount of love and attention you give to other artists. Yes.

Not everybody's capable of receiving it. And you're not giving it to everyone, but Beyonce, Rihanna, and many others have been on the receiving end of your great songwriting and ideas and arrangements and things like that. I would love to hear where you're at today because I think you're also about to become an artist again. Oh man. By the way, it has a lot to do with you. Really? Every time I see Ebro. Every time. Bring your mic a little closer. Where's that album? Where's that album? Yeah, that's true. Where's the album? I called him last August. What are you doing? Yeah.

I heard he was in the Hamptons. I was like, why are you in the Hamptons? You were like, where's my album? Aren't you supposed to be working? Yeah, you're supposed to be delivering me an album. Why are you working? He was calling me like an R for real. Hey, yo, so what date we're going with?

And I'm like, what date are you talking about? It's like, what you're doing in the Hamptons. Oh, I know who you're with. Yeah. I know what you're doing. Yeah. I'm like, well, you know, you got me trapped in the basement. Oh, so you were working out there.

Oh, absolutely. You're putting that work. I don't go anywhere. I don't know, I know the narratives be crazy. You see me somewhere anywhere. My wife's here somewhere. I'm working. I can't take a vacation without working.

It's the same. I just have to write. It has to be some type of art behind it. I don't care what it is. I have to work. I cannot relax. I try to. Golf course, yes.

Oh, that's your thing now. You're being on the golf now. Avid. No, no, no. Ben. Ben. No, I was the one. I'm the reason why they got here.

Hold on, this is big talk. Hold on, hold this is big talk. This is a big talk dream. Let's get this straight right now. How long you been golfing? 2001. Whoa. That's good.

That's crushing any. That's a good number. But the reason why this industry now is on this, man, I've started this. Nobody wanted to come out. Oh, one's early, bro. Yeah, that's really early. He's like, no, we're not coming out and play no golf. Man, golf is silly.

I was like, all right, cool. Excuse to go away your good polo again, but all right, cool. Now, are you, are you, so that's a long, long time. How good are you? My handicap right now is at about nine, which is really good. That's really good. That's really good. Once you get those clubs, how you need to get those clubs.

You know, you dial in. It's usually trash, though, when as soon as B calls it's trash. What do you mean? Oh, because you're a rap. Now you got to work. Now you got to work. Speaking of which, we didn't take a moment to celebrate together. You and I, I think we should congratulate ourselves on Cowboy Carter.

album of the year. You know, great job. Both of us. You know what I mean? But do you know the story? You know your man did a whole podcast. Yeah, I reached out to him. Oh, y'all talked about.

He didn't want to talk. Well, I'm going to get him today, though. That's the part. He didn't want to tell stories then. Really? Oh, I heard him. Yeah, he was like, ah, I don't want to tell stories right now. But he's here now.

Yo, wait, hang on. Before you start telling stories. He gave me on IG. I was like, now you know. I was like, come on, bro. I'm telling the story of Cowboy Carter. I want to get into this thing. I knew it was going to win

Alamedia because it was the best damn album. Did you just drink Cologne at the table? That's not Cologne. It's not Cologne. Oh, I really thought it was. No, it's Louis the Eighth. It's always. I don't know.

Or 13th, excuse me. 13th. 13th. 13th was good, too. The 13th, he did more, though, I think. I thought it was another thing. He was about to say. I was Louie to A8.

I don't know where I got eight from. I must put some shit in here. No, but dream. What are the other? Wait, how much? I'm missing a few numbers. Yeah. No, but really that album, that album was just special, bro.

I mean, obviously, you've done amazing stuff with Beyonce in the past. Yeah. Were you on, how many records were you on on this one? I want to say maybe like 13 or so. So almost the whole thing, more than half the album. Yeah, there's probably actually more than that, but I don't. My whole thing is to make sure my sister has exactly what she needs, no matter whether I do 100% of a song, correct another piece,

and we just work, we synchronized in that type of way when it comes to making records. And it's not even something that we have to say. It's just a look, I'm gonna play you this thing. I know what to do with it. So someone else has written this record. She plays it for you. What do you think?

And then you're just helping, even if it's not one of your records, you're just helping tighten it up. Oh yeah, absolutely. And the other way too, where she comes in with her ideas where she don't chopped up a few things. Oh, absolutely.

No, it more so works that way. I try to take the artist part seriously because I know how I am as an artist. And so she usually takes the lead on how she wants a thing to be. And so if she tells me, yo, I'm trying to go this way, that's the way we're going. Now, the thing about going that way, we're just trying to get the best and greatest thing that we can get going that way. I don't care what genre it is and what works for her. and she's really smart and definitely well we know she you know B is that's bianca yeah it's not just you know pretty face on the thing like no she's intensely virgo

right we work man like it don't stop she she's gonna work and outwork you stay there all morning wait for you to get back yeah well and i have to imagine the in the cowboy carter you hear obviously the blues you hear and you know people want to call it country or they want to call it but it's it's blues R&B black music pop music all bundled together yeah and I have to imagine even on where she's going next with this third installment

you mean the rock album what they're saying well they call it an Americana Americana that's or or something you know like he drinking no he's got to yeah I play yeah the way he would I talked to another producer who said he was in

he did things. The things have been happening. He did things. I wasn't even, he's looking at the lights. I wasn't, yo, drink,

I wasn't even going to say that controversial. I was just going to point to y'all's collaboration and your skill set as and what people would term as an R&B writer, but it's rooted in soul and blues.

Right. So when it dovetails into R&B, gospel, blues, rock, whatever genre, it still all fits. You're just talking about production at that point. Right. You can take umbrella and it turn into a country zone. Just talking about, oh, cool, put the acoustic on it,

and this is how we're going to do it. And the greatest records are written that way. The greatest records can go from one genre to the next. You've heard them? You've been in the club? You just changed the instruments. Right, right. And they come on with a Whitney Houston record,

and you're like, oh, that is not even how I always love you, even goals. Right. But it works for this. That's all production. And so for me, knowing that in the beginning, the part, the part is to write the best song, regardless of what the production is. So that record actually that was on, can't be giving up all my things here, that record that was on something in 2014 actually works today in a different genre.

That's right. You're just changing out the production to it. Right, right. The song is still the song. What were your favorite songs on Cowboy Carter, though? Because it really is. My favorite one was the tribute that I wanted to do to, oh, what's my guy's name?

I don't know, mine just went blank, because it's not even a record that I did anything on. There's a record called Louisiana. But I don't know, I've just lost my whole sense of... I'm going to go to who sampled, because I don't know the answer. You're talking about the song, Oh, Louisiana on the album. Absolutely. That's actually one of my favorite things.

something I had nothing to do it but I felt like showing the world where it actually came from you know what I'm saying like that for me Chuck Barry was did oh Louisiana yeah Chuck Barry man was he was everything you just talked about that's right and so for me knowing that then that makes it my duty regardless I don't need to put my name on it I don't need to say I did it I said man B I think this is a great idea and she was like absolutely it is it is on so spot. We can't touch nothing. Just play it. And that's why it was there.

Because it helps bundle up the story she was trying to. Well, the Louisiana party is such a part of her story too. Yeah, but it's bigger than that. It's not about her story at that point. It's our story. Well, no, I mean the album is the album, I received the album as our story. I understand. Yeah. But I'm telling you, it's just bigger than even that. Yeah. It's big to let you know at this platform where it all comes from.

This is what you just said. That's right. So that was the whole point of put this here. Whether it was on the album or off the album, nobody else probably would have known and probably until I'm here right now, people are thinking about it. Like, I was wondering why that piece was on this album.

There's no B vocal on it. There's nothing production-wise, it's been changed. Why is it there? It's a tribute to where those things came from. The building blocks. Yeah. Yo, did you do bodyguard or no? What you mean?

The song Bodyguard on the album. Oh, yeah, I did do a part of it. I was just like, It's probably one of my favorite talks on the album. And it's funny because for as much as people talk about the album being a country album, Bodyguard to me is straight up yacht rock. Like that's just a random yacht rock joint on the album. Am I wrong?

That's how it feels, right? Oh my God. Like that could have been a Kenny Loggins record. It just drops the middle of the album. Or simply read. It's right. It's just, and so it's funny when people tried to label the album, I'm like, I understood now why at the beginning when she said that it's not a country album,

it's a Beyonce album. Yep. I thought she was stunting when you. she said that. No, that's really what it is. Well, remember, we talked about that. Shout out to Raphael, Sadiq, who brought that record in. Bodyguard? Yes. Yes. Yes. Thank you, sir. He's another one that knows that blues and

the R&B and soul out goes together. Amen. So y'all ever in the rules, in situations like this, are you, will you and Sadiq and others be in the studio at the same time? Absolutely. Like all collaborating on this stuff? Yeah, I'm usually just they're like the doorknop. Like just always. Oh, you're going to be there when other people are right.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, me and B going to go to the end. Yeah. Yeah. And so. Well, congrats, bro. Album of the year, man. That's pretty freaking cool.

Sorry, I ain't take it. Yeah, no, no, please. I was going to go back to that. I was going to go back to that. Rosenberg reaches out and you don't want to talk, but is it because you don't want to talk about the album? You don't want to talk about what the album means. You need to let things play out so that you're not preempting

a story or... I know that what I say has a certain power. Yeah. And I never want to get in front of the artist that's presenting the things that they're presenting. Right. You know, and I know he's calling out of love. I know why he's calling, but

people aren't going to take it that way. Right. And B wouldn't care. But I do. Right. So I'm like, until she's had enough time if she wanted to say something, so since she ain't saying nothing now, let me tell you how. Okay. Okay. I just like to give people,

people especially artists, their time to say their piece. Yeah. And that makes sense. And so, yeah, now I get to talk just a little bit, but not. But you also get to now get us back into the dream as an artist back. Yeah, man, I get to get out the house. When is this album dropping? What do we got?

What do we know? What are you willing to tell us right now? Man, you know what I sound like to get in front of artists. I got to call. You are the art. Call yourself. Call them up. Let me call dream.

here see what he got to say about this. I'm trying to make sure that I have something before my birthday. Which is... Not trying. I will. Well, he said Virgo earlier. Okay, okay. August, September. September, yeah.

Yeah, you have something. So something, a single you mean, not an album. No, no, no, an album. Album. Complete, okay. Yeah, I got stuff to say. How long has it been? My major, at my last album that I cut, that would be mainstream, would be four play,

which was in 2013. Wow. Wow. That's 13 freaking years, bro. And this is going to be called love, hey, too. Hey, man, where you get all this information, bro? Wait, what are you doing? You want that out there? You're getting ahead of the artist. I can't ask the questions. Well, that was loaded. That was loaded.

It's called Love Hate 2? I think it's called Love Hate 2. Isn't it Love Hate 2? It's called Love Hate 2? But no, but the reason I... It's not a country album. No, but the reason I ask is because Love Hate was, I mean, chocked full of hits and vibes and energies and up tempos and I mean, let me pull up to truth.

Yeah, we're going back to shoot some of those videos from that album actually. From the first one? Yeah, first one, second one too, love versus money. I was just, I was busy. I was feeling good. I mean, you were on a run, bro. It was feeling good.

I'm still jogging, too. No, Ebro, it starts with Shardie's the shit and I love your girl. Back to back. But then don't forget Nikki. Oh, Nicky's a falseetto. Woo! Ditched that.

No, listen, you were in a place. right now yeah so and the reason I bring up those records is because you have Prince influence you have a dance club dance influence absolutely and so that's why I'm asking about this album because I think you're telling us that's you're trying to get us back in that bag yeah I think it was one of those things that came to mind over the whole time where I was working on a lot of other things of course and fulfilling I feel like the duty of making sure other dreams got to a a certain space.

I never wanted to be an artist. That was never my thing. I wasn't trying to be on TV. Like, that wasn't my shit. My thing was, musically, knowing from a songwriter standpoint, there were songs that get written

that stay in your heart drive that no one would ever hear again. And I got petrified that the idea that something like fancy would never be heard if I was waiting on an artist to understand it and actually cut it. It definitely wouldn't be a six minute and something something song.

They would chop that joint down. Like, yo, this is going to be... 315. This joint is 313. Yeah, man, no, 2.30 these days. 2.30. And so things like that where I was able to express myself and be...

And kind of just put it on display. I didn't care whether it went gold or not or platinum or whatever it was. I knew it was set a different standard after we did it. And just watching, especially falsetto. That was the one. Everybody think is something.

Falsetto was the one that turned this kind of seemingly could be gimmicky dreams getting an album because he's writing these hit records for X, Y, Z. Falsetto was the one that said, oh, shit. No, he knows how to make fucking records. And that changed. And I remember even my album sales per week was changing based off of that one single. Oh, yeah. It's like 25,000 a week. What was the order of singles from the album?

Shotties the shit first, right? Yes. And so falsetto came second. Falsetta's second. And I had to fight. Shout out to L.A. Had to fight L.A. I remember being in Cali,

L.A. calls and say, I love your girls next. I was like, why? It's like, because the Bay is killing it right now. It's going crazy. By the way, I love your girl and they have GZ on it at first. Okay. I was like, yeah, I hear what you saying, but if we put that record out.

people are not going to understand how deep the well is I was like so I can't go with that so we got to figure some shit out man I was like falsettles is it's the first time I really pulled some artist shit on anybody usually I'm cool all my shit's gonna work I wanted that to work in a particular order what do you mean I love your girl wouldn't have let them know how deep the well was it's too easy it's too it was a basic record it's not that company it's simple it's simple it's hard to do but it's not what falsetto is musically like just the arrangement the mix that had to go into it it's a lot of work put into that

record where you can kind of look at i love your girl and be like oh well i can do that even if you couldn't you can say it falsetto's not a record you could just be like oh cool i'm gonna just whip one no you got it you got to so that was my whole thing but also we shouldn't act i mean even though it's a fun it's a very fun song we can't act like we'd really heard shoddy is the shit before either. That's a pretty unique. If you were to explain that song to someone, keep talking your shit, bro. The way it starts, though, the way it starts, though, from the piano at the beginning, it's, and, Loz, it's just, it's very interesting. It comes off like a record that's to be, like, completely silly, but it's not. Like, it's, it's got layers. That's

an onion. There's layers to Shardis the shit, too. I think that's the magic of the, it's songwriting, and why he's been around for what? We're talking about 19 years you've been doing this? My first real cut was B2K's everything. which is in 2002. That's your first one? And how much later are we now with love, hate? Five years later, like 07? Something like that?

Yeah. How often do people reference you should tip her? Oh, man. Is that like that's talked about all the time? Oh, man, what? Every day. Yeah, if I pass by anybody this, and if they see me out,

if it's a group of girls that are like, you tipping the day? I'm like, no. That was last night. Does your wife ever make this joke? Does she ever demand to be tipped? No, she doesn't. Babe, why you don't... He said it on the record.

She's like, I don't have to demand to be tipped because I'm getting tipped all the time. Here's a tip. When you're working on your own projects, do you completely lock in? And because I could imagine everyone wants a dream record. And if you stop and work on everybody else and stuff, you're never going to get your project done. So do you completely lock in? That's why I came up in a day, so I stopped calling him. Get me off his back.

Then you're going to miss the August, September date, and I'm out to call him again. First of all, I'm not missing no dates. Okay, here we go. But yeah, I have to, it's a different mind. One, two, you go, because I'm first from the service industry. Like, that's what I feel like songwriting and producing is, like, is serving the purpose of somebody else's dreams

and what they're trying to become. So I just become them and try to get into a space where I understand, understand fully the ice cream they're trying to sell to the customer. And once in that, I do know, though, that me, myself personally, I'm a different thing, you know, and who I want to talk to or what my conversation would be if we're just talking about from me. You know, we're all individuals. And it would be like if me and Ebro made a record.

Even if he didn't do anything, his name being on it, it was sound a certain type of way. It's his particular sound, how he wanted to do it, regardless of the words that would go into it. And so, yeah, it's, it's, I have to carve out room for myself, but it's been a fight. Like, I've had to fight to get back to this place of myself because it's not really, the music part isn't really hard. It's the fight to, to understand and to not want to give something away. Right, right, right. And I could imagine doing stuff for other people, in a sense, might be easier than working for yourself. No, that's not true.

Okay. Yeah, I wish, I wish I was working for myself all the time. I just said this yesterday. We were talking about Usher hit me in the middle of a session I was having for my record in the middle of the night. And he's like, y'all, I'm in Milan, let's go. And I'm like, let's go. Where?

Let's go. I'm doing these crunches. It was like, it was not real crunches, but okay, cool. I get what you saying. In my life, if it could have just been just musically about me the whole time, of course, there's a whole different thing. And we was, of course, I was just basically. chubby shaming myself the fact that I don't have the type of time that Usher has to like just

oh I'm going to get in shape I'm like I got 98 artists I'm working on at one time you find the time for me and I'll do it I swear I would definitely do all the sit-ups but today is not happening and that same carve out of time and me realizing I had to fight with him because it was more actually about something that we're doing together me and us and I said no brother not today don't call me with on your side it's like I need shit right now yeah I'm the way you gotta draw those boundaries send the fucking vocal over here for me yeah while we're at it yeah why we at it send me a fucking vocal now let let me ask the question though does that rule apply to Beyonce as well or if biance were to call or would she know I'm praying she don't so because you would say yeah you

if she says we're doing crunches I'm praying she's stockpiled and good to go because you are dropping it That's the point I'm trying. Like, you got to drop it and go if Beyonce is like, hey, I got to get, we got to get that. That's what makes it hard. But now. But now, wait, hold up now. Hold up now. I wouldn't do that to my team, though.

I got a shunner. I've been here, man. I haven't worked with a shunner since, like, early day. He's trying to gloss over. He's trying to gloss over. He didn't think I caught it. What? He said, I hope she stockpiled.

Yeah. Yeah. How many joins y'all guys said? Well, I mean. But don't we know that? Don't we know. But stockpile means that there's. things that have already recently been cooked.

That's how I take it too. Not like, oh, I just, she's got stuff from way back. We're gonna say on this show. I'll tell you that much. See, this is why? You're gonna ruin it. Let's just let things be.

No pun intended. You know, that's the setup for not letting it be, so you keep going. Yeah, exactly. That's how you think we work, right? Don't worry. Good cop, bad cop. There you go.

There you go. Yeah, no, stock power, what I meant by that is just we've over time done a lot of stuff. But just not recently ready. I can't recall. It's so much. It's so much going on. It is interesting.

You mentioned the thing of being in service to people because like it is different, obviously, than being an artist. And you're used to being an artist also where people are working for you. And you have people working in service of you from the label, from your assistant, publicist, blah, blah. But when you're a producer for a Beyonce or an or an usher or whoever it is, you then take on a role of obviously you're very respected. and you're appreciated. But yeah, you're now helping them. They need you. That is how,

is that challenging ego-wise at all to be like, hey, I'm the dream. But now it's like, I need to kind of run and help someone else. And you have to deliver at a very high quality. Right, right. And you got to deliver. At a high clip, right?

Yeah. No, there's no, for some reason, I feel like the ego thing was crushed a long time ago and not in a bad way. I don't look at myself as, I'm the dream and let me show you I got shit to do

it's all minds at the end of the day I just feel like it's all minds and a part of what my being is instead of it being an individual carve out of this thing that I do you know as an artist

so yeah I never feel too perplexed in that way quick question how many how many grandmas you have how many? Nine nine grandmas and nominated with the clips

clips on yeah that's right yeah um which I'm so I'm so proud to them guys man right those my brothers man those my brothers man

I'm so I don't care what they say man you want you want your statues however they come we understand that most of this life is fixed yeah you still want your money though right

that's right same thing run me all the trophies I'm supposed to get run me them numbs back too like I want All of them. Yeah, the nominations add up too, right?

Nominations add up to, man. Yeah, we're up to like 23, something like that? 23. Let's go. Yeah. Wait, when you came in here, you complimented a Ebro's vintage watch. Yes, yes. So, hey, hey, hey, okay, just compliment.

But I can imagine as, you know, Rosenberg and I, well, I'm more retired than Rosenberg, but we'd like to collect memorabilia. Like, what's your most, like, prized possession that you have? Good question. Oh, listen. Like, because I know you got, I know you got things. Wow. That you can put in a museum.

I think to be most surprised and something I love at the same time, I have an SLS black series in Sun Beam Yellow 2014. And it's not that many of them. Yeah, look at, he's been looking at it. How many? How many? How many? How many?

How many? He's checking. Running the Google. I don't know how many more is here in the state. I know Mark Wahlberg has one, though. All right. It's this one about it. That's a, yeah.

Yes. And you said you got it in the yellow. Yeah. This one. All right. Yeah. Oh, okay. But what about music?

What about music memorabilia? The doors that go up. You know what I mean? Yeah. Did you keep any crazy music memorabilia? Yeah. Not really. No?

No, like reals are like. I'm too busy creating it, guys. I'm trying to make memorabilia. In the moment. Yeah. Yeah, my kids are going to be so happy when I'm going. And by the way, this is, I don't think that's, I don't think that's, I like saying it like that. No.

I love that reaction. No. It's like, they're going to be so happy. Like, man, we love that, but, uh, man. Woo. Everything must go. Let's get it. Yeah, and this mail.

And they're still going to take trips to the mailbox. That never goes away. Well, I hope they understand that part. Is it still to the mailbox? You log into an accountant. Man, I'm so country. I'm so, you like the mailbox. Check.

I just sent my daughter some cash. and she lost her baby can you pull that up on your phone I can show this team this girl I was like oh yeah that's my kid I knew it was my kid soon as her reaction she just turned 16 Violet did and you gave her cash yes and her reaction the best thing ever I was like yep that's that's me old school my wife is like that too if she finds some money in in like clothes

in the house super five dollars she found five dollars a bonus Yes. No, excited. Yes. You're like, yes. Oh, my God. I'm like, who still cares about spending a $5 bill? You just feel lucky.

It's, you know. It's tangible. Yeah. It's how, I feel like it's how vinals were done. You got it. Oh, here we go. Okay. I'm my little baby right now.

What's the best way for us to show this video, Baskin, besides send it to you? Look, she's so excited. Aw. Uh-uh. Here it come. Here you come. Watch my baby. Is it a knot?

Yeah. It's a stack of money. She's dancing. By the way, she's never like this. That's my favorite right now. Well, by the way, that's really cool, though, because that's what someone should do when they get handed a knot of money. And if you had not raised her right, then she'd be like, or she'd just be like, all right, great, thanks. Right, right, right.

You know what I mean? But that right there, that's DNA. Yeah. You're the same way. Oh, that's DNA right there. Yeah. Well, so don't wait, this is our favorite question. What is the number one mailbox trip for the dream?

I don't know. Umbrella? I hope I haven't done it yet. I got a couple of stocks and stuff working, I feel like. Yeah, that's different, though, because umbrella's big. I don't know about that. I mean, it's different. You know, I'm trying to say from your-

And nothing like, you know, when some stocks do a thing, and you just pull some out, you're like, yo, send that. He's stunting on this right, yeah. By the way, um, we don't want to talk about them big hits. Any calls from Marie lately? Man, if I got a big, I'll say, let me change something. I'm going to tell you something right now. Everybody can talk about what they're going to do once they're here to be.

No. We would not even be here. Y'all would be with me, but we wouldn't be here. I'd be like, Epo, you know, man, come in. I'll need you to do an interview. Yeah, right. Nigger, please. I'm not coming up there.

But you can come down here. What island is this? I don't know what island this is. It's just somewhere. We're just, just bring just one set of clothes. Don't even worry about it. Don't even worry about it. Don't even worry about.

You know, stop asking about read because I understand, I get it. This shit is already hard enough. Have you, she can do whatever she won't do and take how much time.

My sister can take how much time she can be 69 by the time she comes out. She might be. She might, yes. I get it too. I enjoy watching her live her life full list with her kids, but I heard that. I heard that too.

Stockpile. You know what's on the list? I hope nobody. thinks that Ree doesn't have hits over there. Oh, we know, we know. She's a different project. No, wait, hold up. Hold on, hold up.

But you understand. And she's one of the best A&Rs ever, by the way. Rhee knows exactly what that thing sound like. But you also have to understand that piece right there is why people are like, where's the music at? Because they know their super hits in it. That's what I'm trying to get into everybody's real natural Negro spirit. And let them understand.

you know that this is a good test whether you know melan is running through your body at some point if it's in there you just think about a billion and you say hey go to work and you're like not happen stop not going to work so many things to do release a free i would probably put out free shit forever it's just like here you go i'm not well is is there is there as being if you're Brianna, or even if you're the dream. She could be thinking a whole different way, by the way, this is my... Right, but this is what you would do. But even if you're the dream, the amount of, I don't know, unnecessary stress, let's call it,

the amount of work that it actually takes to put out music. But that's what you're talking about. And to be in this. Like, people, you know, you can't gloss over the idea that it takes a lot of work. Success lends itself as happy as you are about it. You go from being super happy about your accomplishments to feeling flat at days just based on how people respond to your success. When I was small, when I was young, I would never know the adult thing that happens with success in the music business. I just thought, oh, they made it.

And I was happy for them. Like, as a kid, you're looking up to them. Like, this is crazy. Not thinking about, oh, there's media shit you're dealing with. There's this thing. There's that. It was like, oh man, that could be a horrible. The family thing is a whole, that's a whole other thing.

Your health. You know, a lot of these things come into play that you don't see looking up at it. And once you get in it, especially now, it's like a billion songs that get uploaded a day. You know, like how many of them really care about music? That's right. How many people are really hustling? Right.

You know, so it's like dropping somebody like me who started in music playing the trumpet and third grade in the pool of hustlers. I got to watch now everybody. Why, you played the trumpet too? Yes. Poop Bear played the trumpet too. Yeah. So did Quincy Jones.

So did Quincy Jones. Yeah, I'm gonna catch Quincy. For one. But anyways, I'm a whole other thing. Catch Quincy for what now? I'm talking about the Grammy. Grammy total. Quincy did Thriller.

He was old? 50. Yeah. Dreams 35. I'm 48. Oh, you 48? Yeah, but I look 35. So you got to do thriller?

that's my point you got two you got 24 months oh man I figure it out let's go easy you know you know when you look on me you heard when you know when you look wow when you look on the um Wikipedia for your writing credits mm-hmm does any can any of you guys tell me what is next what's right before because alphabetical order okay what's right before umbrella right before umbrella alphabetical order hmm it's it's it's gonna be like it you're not going to remember it That's why I'm asking because it's fun. But once I say it, it's you all. So I had to go through the alphabet first of all.

That's tough. Remember the letter before you. What if it's the same letter? Oh, yeah. What if it's the same letter as umbrella? I have no idea. What is it? Ultra light beam.

Wow. Yeah. What did you do on ultra light beam? Okay, okay. I was on that song as an artist. Yeah, you're, it's like, it's like the, you're like of the like of the like melodic sort of backgroundy. No, no.

The whole full on. This is an ultralight beam. The whole. I forgot exactly the part It's been a long time since I played that record That's the other thing about me man You asked me about a record

I don't remember You made too many records bro It's so crazy It's bad That's what I'm trying to get I'm trying to get everybody around It's like hey man I need y'all to keep track of this

Don't be waiting until I'm gone But also Can he do this? Yes I did it But also like creative Like you were talking about Being in the services industry And serving other people

But I You invited me into the art school you go to. Oh yeah, Skad. Skad. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. And allow me to sit with the kids and the whole thing. I just brought for real. Oh, really? Mm-hmm. Where is Skad? Skad is in Atlanta. In Atlanta. Yeah. I found a college of art and design. Shout out, Skat. Yeah. It's my school right

now. But you're heavy, even even in that of making clothes and that desire is also to serve people, right? Like that's a, every, like I said, and when I say art, it's because I still see music as that. That's right. You know. even though it's more so pitched like a dope game but that's art fashion cars electronic like these things like just even the iPhone and the way it's built when it dropped in 07 you got understand 07 was of course the year love hate came out but also the iPhone debuted that year that's art to me just it changed everything and how we feel about connectivity in that way of a cell phone yeah and so it's room design like I have I have these things

things going through my brain. I can't stop them. This is why I can't sleep. It's so many things to do. You know, you start to understand as you get further along in life, you're not going to have enough time to do them. And then that's the thing that's humbling is that no matter how many ideas you have, you're not going to have enough time on earth to get them out. Well, in August, September, this most recent idea, love hate too. It might be before that, just saying. It may be imminent. Man, don't change it up,

man. We had a plan, man. Yo, y'all, give it up for my guy to dream one time, man.

It's crazy, man. I mean, because he did, this is what happens when you make a lot of money. You can change

Cali, you can change Cali. You can change the space time continuum now. Wow. He's like Doc Brown.

That's right. That's why he's drinking. Quantum. Yeah. Louis, Louis the 13th, Louis the 8th, all in the same bottle.

All the same bottle. It's like Louis the first right now. It's almost gone. It's almost gone. Almost gone. No, we love you, brother. Thank you for blessing us today, man, coming through and having fun with it.

I'm supposed to be back in 30 days, right? Yep. Yeah, I'm back in 30. Yeah, we're going to see. The team over Apple Music has heard the album. Oh, yeah. Now, did they hear a finished version? So here you go, man.

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