The Economics of Everyday Things - 54. Ghostwriters

Episode Date: July 1, 2024

Channeling the voices of celebrities can be a lucrative career — one that requires empathy and discretion as well as literary chops. Zachary Crockett checks the acknowledgements. SOURCES:Valerie Fr...ankel, ghostwriter.Madeleine Morel, President and Lead Agent of 2M Communications.Daniel Paisner, ghostwriter. RESOURCES:"Ghostwriting History: Churchill, Kennedy and the Authenticity of Authorship," by Andrew Mumford (The International History Review, 2024)."Column: How many ways can a political memoir backfire? Ask Kristi Noem," by Robin Abcarian (Los Angeles Times, 2024)."Notes from Prince Harry’s Ghostwriter," by J. R. Moehringer (The New Yorker, 2023)."Confessions of a Celebrity Ghostwriter," by Dina Gachman (Texas Monthly, 2022).

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Dan Paisner has lived many lives. He's been an international tennis star, an Academy Award-winning actor. One time, he was even the governor of Ohio. But you've probably never heard of him. I don't think anybody's combing through the bookshelves in Barnes & Noble and saying, oh, this is a Daniel Paisner book. I should buy it. They're buying it because of the celebrity name that's on the spine. Paisner is a ghostwriter. He's written 70 books, including 17 New York Times bestsellers. His clients have included Serena Williams, Denzel Washington, Whoopi
Starting point is 00:00:43 Goldberg and Ivanka Trump. included Serena Williams, Denzel Washington, Whoopi Goldberg, and Ivanka Trump. His job is to get inside the heads of people who tend to be very careful about what they reveal. You know, you push people to reflect and reconsider the stuff of their lives for public consumption. It's a very sort of naked and personal and intimate transaction that happens between a ghostwriter and his subjects. That intimate relationship may not earn Pesner credit on the spine of a book, but it pays his bills. A few years ago I would say to somebody, oh, 100,000 for my writer and I'd be sort of
Starting point is 00:01:23 crossing my fingers and thinking, oh my God, I'm never going to get away with this. But now it's like, oh, 100,000, of course. For the Freakonomics Radio Network, this is the economics of everyday things. I'm Zachary Crackett. Today, ghostwriters. The practice of writing material for publication under someone else's name goes back thousands
Starting point is 00:01:45 of years. But the word ghostwriter took hold in the 1920s. It was used by sports agent Christy Walsh. He started a syndicate to produce sports articles under the names of professional athletes. But Dan Peisner says the modern ghostwriting business really kicked off in 1984. That's when William Novak collaborated with Chrysler CEO Lee Iacocca on Iacocca in Autobiography. The book was a real juggernaut. I think it was the number one best-selling book in the country for two consecutive years. So he kind of hit that out of the park. And on the back of that success, he became sort of the go-to ghostwriter for every big name 15 Minutes of Fame headline book that emerged from the mid-'80s to the mid-'90s.
Starting point is 00:02:34 Paster was working as a freelance entertainment reporter when he was offered a chance to follow in Novak's footsteps. He ended up ghostwriting a book for the TV presenter Willard Scott. So this was a gig that was going to run like six months. It was going to pay me sort of a year's salary. And I figured, great, this is a nice sort of refresher or a palate cleanser. There was still, I think, a little bit of a taint or a stigma to the idea of ghostwriting. Some people might have disregarded
Starting point is 00:03:05 it as hack work. So I don't know that a lot of people were coming out of journalism school, throwing their hats in this particular ring saying, hey, this is something I want to do with my life. It was more of a fallback position. And for myself, it wasn't until I was four or five books into this gig that I thought, okay, this is a career that I've stepped into. Over the past 30 years, he's worked with A-list actors, musicians, politicians, and business leaders. For many celebrities, getting a book deal is easy, but writing the book is a different
Starting point is 00:03:37 story. And that's where Pasteur comes in. You know, we are a DIY culture, but if you can't DIY, then you hire some schmuck like me to help you. And that's kind of how it works. If you can write, if you can string two words together, and if you can help somebody be a more effective communicator, then why not put those skills to work on their behalf? Regardless of who the subject is, the general process of collecting information to ghostwrite
Starting point is 00:04:07 a book is usually the same. What happens in the early going for me is I'll spend some time with somebody a period of days. Sometimes I stay at their houses, I have dinners with their families, I'm with them in their workplace. I need to sort of understand them, I need to walk around in their shoes a little bit. When I'm firing on all cylinders, what I can do is help somebody see themselves better.
Starting point is 00:04:32 It's like therapy, really. Paisner is often working with people who don't have a lot of time to spare. When he was writing a memoir for the DJ and producer, Steve Aoki, he joined the musician on the road in a tour bus. This guy does hundreds of shows a year and he just couldn't possibly sit still to do a book. So I rode on his tour bus with his crew and his roadies for a week or so through
Starting point is 00:04:58 middle America. And the only times we really could find to work is when we're barreling between Cincinnati and Milwaukee or in Chicago at four in the morning and running a tape while the rest of his crew slept in these bunks in the back of the bus. But what I got to see during this experience was how he lived, what it's like to not go on until midnight and to then have to work your way through an after party and wind down at three or four in the morning. And it sort of just put me in the right frame of mind to be able to write on his behalf. For his book with Ohio Governor John Kasich, he attended Bible study meetings.
Starting point is 00:05:36 He would travel back from Washington when he was a congressman and go to Columbus, Ohio every other Monday and sit with his Bible study guys, and they would discuss scripture. So, of course, I would go every other Monday to Columbus, Ohio. Not quite as fun as, you know, blazing with a rock star, but it'll do. I'm guessing no doobies with John Kasich. There were no doobies, but we did have a couple of nice bottles of wine along the way. Ghost writers have to glean as much information as they can from a source in as little time as possible. Sometimes they'll only have a few weeks with a subject. It's like you parachute drop into somebody's life and you have to be as authentically yourself as possible or they don't trust you.
Starting point is 00:06:27 It's a very intense period of time, like maybe six months, that you are in their orbit and working closely with them. And then the project ends and you move on to the next world that you are inhabiting. Valerie Frankel has worked as a ghostwriter for 17 years. Her first collaboration was with the comedian Joan Rivers. Entering Joan's world was just pretty crazy. I mean, you walk into her house and it's this incredible mansion. One of our first meetings, I was led into a room and told to wait, and then she walked in like in a shmata, like a house dress that was unzipped in
Starting point is 00:07:08 the back and she turned around and said, can you zip me up? And I'm like, oh my God, this was like our first interaction. It was very intimate. And I'm sure she did that intentionally looking back, but I was completely charmed by it. Frankel wrote Omarosa Manigault Newman's memoir, Unhinged, an insider's account of the Trump White House. She also wrote two fiction and two nonfiction books with Nicole Snucki-Polizzi from the MTV show Jersey Shore.
Starting point is 00:07:38 Snucki's first novel in particular required an extremely fast turnaround. I wrote it in, I think, seven weeks. It was a very tight deadline because sometimes that happens with people who are extremely hot in the moment that the publisher wants to get their book out. They crash the book out, which means it's written very quickly and then published very quickly.
Starting point is 00:08:01 And then like a month later, it was on the bestseller list. In the process of spending time with subjects, ghostwriters are exposed to a lot of sensitive information. A part of the job is to have a discerning eye for what to include in the book. Earlier this year, a ghostwriter hired by South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem learned this the hard way. Her recent book, No Going Back, included a story about her shooting and killing her 14-month-old dog, and it caused an uproar. I want to say the ghostwriter should have said you really shouldn't include that story.
Starting point is 00:08:40 And of course, the ghostwriter community agreed that you do have an obligation to the author to be the civilian, right? Like a lot of the people who need collaborators are VIPs or celebrities or politicians and they don't live in the real world. So the collaborator functions not just as the writer but also the reader, the person who exists in the real world and will have real world reactions to their content. Ghost writing is a challenging job, and it's a service that celebrities are willing to pay handsomely for.
Starting point is 00:09:16 That's coming up. Ghost writing is, by nature, an opaque world. So when a famous person decides to publish a book, they generally need a little help getting set up with the best writer. And oftentimes, the first call their literary agent makes is to this woman. My name is Madeleine Morrell. I have a company that specializes in ghost writersriters, and the only thing I do is matchmake ghostwriters with, quote unquote, authors.
Starting point is 00:09:52 The author is the person who doesn't write the book, and the writer is the writer. Morrell basically invented the job of ghostwriting matchmaker. I've been doing this for almost 25 years. I recognized that book publishing was becoming more and more like Hollywood, and everything was predicated on big-name people or what we call in the industry, platformed authors, i.e. somebody who can bring a pre-existing audience to their book. And nobody was specializing in providing writers for these authors. Morell has worked with Dan Pastner on a handful of projects.
Starting point is 00:10:33 She now has around a hundred freelance ghost writers in rotation. So all of my writers specialize in their particular field, be it politics, business, memoir, you know, health, whatever. And I only worked with writers to be multiply published by the five big houses. And so when somebody comes to me looking for a writer, I go through my list of writers and figure out who's available, who would be most sympathetic to the book in hand. And I come up with four to six different choices of writers. There's a lot of demand, especially in the past few years when memoirs and
Starting point is 00:11:11 autobiographies have boomed. It's an incredible explosion. I think nowadays, and this is unscientific, but I reckon very frequently 60 to 70 percent of all books on the New York Times nonfiction bestseller list have been ghostwritten. I think that what happened with the advent of social media, with the advent of this endless churning of celebrities, suddenly it became obvious that there was a big need for writers to work with these people. There's a huge amount of work out there, which is wonderful for all these freelance writers.
Starting point is 00:11:55 But there are also so many freelance writers out there that it's become incredibly competitive. The ones who get regular work can make a good living. The average starting price is probably $100,000. So there are books that pay $50,000 to $70,000. I would say the health fitness books pay less on average. And then there are really big books for major celebrities or business people, and those can pay $250,000 or more. I mean, it can go up to, you know,
Starting point is 00:12:37 three, four, 500, but that's fairly rare. Really big titles can fetch even more. Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist J.R. Mooringer was reportedly paid a $1 million advance to ghostwrite Prince Harry's 2023 bestseller, Spare. There's a lot of variance in how ghostwriting deals are structured. Here's Valerie Frankel. There's the work for hire, which is where you get a fixed rate that you mutually agree on, where you just get paid a fee and that's it. There's no bonus on the back end,
Starting point is 00:13:12 there's no percentage of the advance. I have other relationships where I get a percentage of everything. If the author signs a contract for say $10 and I get 35% of everything for every $10 that person makes I will get $3.50. From the initial advance to any royalties to foreign to drama rights, anything. For all time, I would get a third.
Starting point is 00:13:47 In other cases, ghostwriters might get incentive bonuses if the book ends up on the New York Times bestseller list. But getting paid in a timely manner can be challenging. Ghostwriters are typically paid out of the author's royalties, which means they're last in line when the checks are cut. As a result, some ghost writers now ask for 50% of their fee upfront. The way a publisher will structure it, it's four payments on signing, on delivery, and acceptance, on publication, and then a year after publication when the
Starting point is 00:14:20 paperback would come out. So it seems completely unfair that a ghostwriter would have to wait a year after publication, which could be a year and a half to two years after the manuscript has been accepted when your work is completed. It's really a terrible, terrible situation that's been set up by the publishers. Again, that's Madele up by the publishers. Again, that's Madeline Morell. So from the time a literary agent has a verbal deal on a book to the time they get what we call the on-signing payment, you're probably looking at an average of three months. The writer gets paid when the author gets paid.
Starting point is 00:14:59 And if it's a book that's on a rush schedule, which a lot of these books are, because so many of these books have to tie in with some kind of media thing, you know, the writer maybe has to write the book within six to nine months. Well, for three months, they have the choice of either writing without having been paid, they double up and do another book, or they come to bank morale, which sort of pisses me off when I'm fronting the monies for my ghost writers when the authors have plenty of money
Starting point is 00:15:31 and if a writer decides screwed I'm not going to start writing the book until I have the money they have a very compressed delivery date then they run the risk of delivering a book that's of lesser quality, which means the editor won't want to work with them again and the agent won't want to work with them again. I mean, we all spend our life cursing and yelling, where's my contract? Where's my money? In order to make any money to begin with, ghostwriters have to develop a name for themselves. And traditionally, that's been a challenge outside of the publishing world. Ghostwriting used to have a sense of secrecy. Celebrities didn't want readers to know they hadn't written books with their names on them.
Starting point is 00:16:13 And many writers thought cranking out pseudo-autobiographies was de classe. All of that has changed. The analogy I would draw is that 20 years ago or so if you were doing online dating you would never tell anybody. Now everybody's perfectly open about it and I think it's the same with ghostwriting. 20 years ago it was a dark secret and now it's being talked about. it's being talked about. That can be good news for ghost writers who need to get credit for the work they do under someone else's name. In most cases, the ghost writer will get what we call a generous acknowledgement, you know,
Starting point is 00:16:58 which is on the acknowledgement page. The acknowledgement can read anything from, you know, who wrote this book for me to somebody who, you know, interpreted my thoughts and some bullsh** like that. Increasingly title page credit is given and that's on the inside page where it says buy XYZ with so-and-so in smaller type. And then, you know, there's cover credit. Personally, I don't think it's that important, I sort of say, you know, if it makes your mother happy, that's great. Dan Pesner doesn't mind when celebrity authors downplay the role of the ghostwriter,
Starting point is 00:17:39 at least in most cases. The only times it does bother me is when you'll see somebody on the couch at the Tonight Show saying, you know, I had this idea for the title, or I remember when I wrote this part of the book, you know, when they take it to the extreme and talk about how they did this on their own, smoking a pipe with leather patches on their elbows. Credits are a currency of the realm for us ghost writers. I need to be able to share with other prospective clients who I've worked with in the past. Most people are happy to share credit and to acknowledge that they had a helping hand
Starting point is 00:18:17 here. The few exceptions to that rule have mostly to do, in my career, with people who are known as creative individuals, stand-up comedians, for example, whose audiences have been conditioned to reasonably expect that this person is providing their own material. So publishers in those cases have asked me to step off of the cover and I'm happy to do so. Pesner might be happy to leave his name off the cover, but one of his well-known collaborators wasn't.
Starting point is 00:18:48 When I worked with Whoopi Goldberg on her book, it was very important to the publisher that she stand alone on the cover. And Whoopi herself kind of bristled at that. We ended up writing together a whole chapter in her book on affirmative action and what it meant to take help and why is it that we can't freely admit when we need assistance of some kind or another. So it's basically this chapter-long acknowledgement of my work on the book, which
Starting point is 00:19:17 I helped to write. And in the end, Pastner is there to help his clients. I think of these books as assignments looking to win over a readership of one. If Serena Williams is happy, if Denzel Washington is happy, then I'm happy and I feel like I've done my job. For the economics of everyday things, I'm Zachary Crackett. This episode was produced by Julie Canfer and Sarah Lilly and mixed by Jeremy Johnston. We had help from Daniel Moritz-Rapson.
Starting point is 00:19:55 Oh, you must have some great stories to tell. Oh, tell this. Well, I actually don't, you know, because the ghosts have to sign confidentiality clauses, very important part of the book contract. The Freakonomics Radio Network, the hidden side of everything.

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