THE ED MYLETT SHOW - 2023 UNLEASHED: The Top 12 Most Life Changing Lessons

Episode Date: December 26, 2023

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is the Edmila Show. Hey guys, today we're going to do something very different, a little bit of a trip down memory lane. We're going to take the best of the show from 2023. And I know many of you may feel like you've heard every episode, but I have highlighted the moments that stood out most of me that I think can get you ready for this next year and do something great with your life. We've got highlights from Matthew McConaughey, Jewel, GZ, Troy Ackman, Tim Tibo, and a
Starting point is 00:00:29 host of others. I really believe the way we've cut this together is going to make a big impact for you, maybe even more so than the individual interviews did. If you haven't seen all those interviews, you're going to be in for a treat because we've distilled it down to the points that I think you need to win biggest in 2024. No matter when you're listening or watching this, it'll serve you. But if it's at the beginning of the year, like I think it is, this is life changing. And just a note of personal gratitude to all of you, we're the number one and fastest growing show in the world because so many of
Starting point is 00:00:57 you share the episodes every single week. And I just want you to know, I don't take that for granted. I work very hard to do this to help improve and change your life. And the fact that you share this with other people is the highest form of repayment you could ever give me. So I just want to say thank you for doing that. I'm honored to be in your lives. It's a blessing to me. And I cannot wait to do something great together in 2024. The best is yet to come. Enjoy today's episode. God bless you and max out. If you listen to this show, you listen to this show, you listen to this show because you want to have an happier, more fulfilling, more successful life, more than likely. And I
Starting point is 00:01:31 have as a guest here today for the third time on my show I'm so honored. The living of all the living people on the planet, the person who's helped the most people do that. But the billions of people on this planet that have lived for the last 60 know 60 years this man's helped more people have happy and fulfilling and successful lives than any other person, including me. And I'm honored to call on the friend. So welcome back. We're gonna do that together today. Mr. Tony Robbins. Welcome back to the show. Thanks for the good to see you. You too, man. I'm curious as a friend to ask you this too. Where are we? Like let's just let's start with the premise where you think we are in the world right now. I've always, you know, I respect people that can win in spring and summer. There's a lot of admiration for that. But I
Starting point is 00:02:12 really respect people who can win during the winter or prevail during the winter. Do you feel like we're in that? Are we in winter? The media is telling us we're in the winter. Where are we? Are we in the winter? How long do you think it's going to last? What's your overall sense of things right now? Winter can be a beautiful time, but overall, the theme is more fear. The greatest opportunity of your life will happen over the next probably five years to six years, because baby boomers are all getting older and retiring. And about 87% of business is never get sold. This is the opportunity for you to grow and expand.
Starting point is 00:02:44 It's like winter, you can freeze the death, or you can snowboard and ski, and build your next business, and be at home with your family and have a great time. I'm made for winter, and my whole thing is how other people prepare for it, because ignoring it or pretending it's not there, is not gonna work.
Starting point is 00:02:59 Hoping is not a strategy. You've gotta have tools and strategy, and you gotta make yourself better. Today is the time to start retoolinging rather than saying, waiting for the government to rescue you. They're not going to rescue you. There is no rescue you got to participate in your own rescue. Winner is going to be five years, seven years, eight years.
Starting point is 00:03:15 That's a scary thing for anybody to hear. And so what would you say to someone with fear? You've got to stop thinking of yourself as managing your circumstances and remind yourself that you're a crater of your life experience. There's fear in their faith. And simplistic as that sound, I ask people, what's the difference? They're both imagination, but fear is imagination undirected. It's like weeds just grows automatically.
Starting point is 00:03:35 Faith is you decide to be certain, you take action, you follow through. There's no guarantee of anything. There's no guarantee of me being running around with a mask and then walk outside and get hit by a truck. The media is not designed to inform or educate you. It's designed to startle you. If I startle you, you respond. Like you don't experience life. You experience the life you focus on.
Starting point is 00:03:54 If you focus on things that piss you off, you have to be deleting the things you could be grateful for. If you're grateful, you're deleting things that can piss you off, right? Your brain is not made to make you happy. That's your job. But the way you get happy is progress. If you grow, if you expand, if you find something
Starting point is 00:04:11 that's more meaningful, you're able to share with other people, it becomes more than just you, and you're gonna be happy. So someone's listening to like, okay, I'm inspired, I've got some perspective, but I'm afraid. I've got real fear. What techniques or strategies would you say to somebody if they're being honest? You got to learn to direct yourself and train yourself to have certainty.
Starting point is 00:04:31 And that's a huge part, as you know, that I do with all my seminars because most people are living in uncertainty. What makes somebody a leader? Is they find certainty in a world that's uncertain? Even if they're not smart, some people follow somebody just because they're certain. They know what's going on. When people are uncertain, they look for somebody as certain. Well, if you can develop that certainly not based on enthusiasm, but based on a clear plan of how you can take advantage
Starting point is 00:04:51 of winter, where winter becomes your best season, then the fear will disappear. But you've got to train your nervous system on a daily basis, because here's the problem today. The media are not bad people. They're good people. But they're doing their job. And what are they rewarded for? Catching eyeballs. And we all know when it comes to the media, they get paid by getting your attention. Welcome back to the show, everybody. Today's going to be just tremendous. This is somebody that I've wanted to get to know for a long time and pick his brain. We've got a bunch of mutual friends. And I'm really excited that he's taken a space into sort of beginning to share more of what he's learned in his life and the journey that he's been on, which is a freaking remarkable life journey with some know who he is, you've been living under a rock for a long time. And today we'll unlift that rock and you'll get to know him a lot better than you probably ever have before. So Matthew McConaughey, welcome to the show, brother.
Starting point is 00:05:53 Ed, my like good to be here with you. You paint this amazing distinction because I know it's been true in my life between need and want and why need is not a real good space to be in. I'm in Hollywood. I'm sleeping on this guy's cow's-town Phillips. I'm below a thousand bucks. I've been there a few weeks. I'm like, you know, you get me an Asian meeting and he snapped at me. Not that you need it too much. What you need to do is get the hell out of here. Go with your buddies and go ride motorcycles somewhere.
Starting point is 00:06:19 I do you quit needing it so much because I probably would smell you. Need you're done. You're never in. And I did about a week later after I returned, we're sitting there at dinner. He goes, you're ready tomorrow morning. We got a meeting where you morris. You're going to go down. And I was like, Oh, cool. Five weeks earlier, I would have oversold myself and they'd been like, I'm not sure
Starting point is 00:06:41 this guy's really, you know, instead, I went in, really let them know, no, I actually think you need me. I got an agent and then I damn it. If it, my first two auditions in Hollywood from that agent got the job. There's this quote I read of you said, I'd rather be a good man than a nice guy. Yes.
Starting point is 00:06:57 And I think it goes to this point to some extent about standing for something. I read your book, my someone off the college, to sit max. Be a good man, don't be a nice guy. And what that meant in our world was, hey, man, when you're confronted with something where you need to fit in and do something that's against your character and your values and beliefs, you don't need to be a nice guy. You need to be a good man, right? I also say in the book, be less impressed, more involved. Nice guy. Not a bad thing to be, but you are just connecting the safe dots.
Starting point is 00:07:23 You're not really involved. You're not the safe dots. You're not really involved. You're not having an opinion. You're not saying, actually, I disagree in the face of the masses that might have a different opinion. A good man has to sacrifice things, has to take some risk and take some responsibilities and follow through on them. Do we have the courage to take that into the daylight?
Starting point is 00:07:41 As Emerson says, tomorrow when the lights are on and you're in the stadium, do we have the courage to go? I know that's true. I'll follow up on this in the face of adversity. You make this distinction between joy and happiness. I. And I have never heard this before in my life. Happiness as most of us are taught is result oriented. If then, if I get this, then I will be happy.
Starting point is 00:08:07 Hmm. If I reach this goal, then I will be happy. It's almost like a Tadah moment. There's no Tadah moment. There's no hill that you get to the top of and you go, ah, finally I did it. Because what do you see? Oh, once you get to the top.
Starting point is 00:08:25 Matt Thousand Other Hills. What I've noticed is, joy is more the verb and join the process of the doing. The best we can do is get to the end of this life and say, look back and go, well, I didn't make it to the top, but how many stairs did I send? Or how wide did my stairs reach?
Starting point is 00:08:41 Or how deep did my roots grow? Just, howl it up. And if there's life after this, How why did my stairs reach or how deep did my roots grow? Just Hallie it up and if there's life after this, hopefully the prime mover's going Well done, but I mean I think this is good as it gets I'm so excited to have this man here today. He doesn't need an introduction He's one of the most famous people in the world But what I was just telling him off camera one of the things I admire most about him Is he's a very unique combination
Starting point is 00:09:05 in one human being because he's got an incredible track record. Most of you may not know about as an entrepreneur, built a hundred million dollar way past that net worth. He's only sold about 250 million records. So he's got kind of that going for him. He's also, you know, one of the most 20 most follow people in the world on social media over a hundred million combined followers But he's written a book. I told him I read it in two days and the first thing I told him is you need to do another one And you keep doing this because it's outstanding very rarely to someone who's achieved this level of success Take the time to write a book to teach you how they did it because they're too busy doing it Yeah, most people the right books about how to do it haven't done it
Starting point is 00:09:44 Yeah, and he's done it so Jason Derillo welcome to the right books about how to do it, haven't done it. Yeah. And he's done it. So Jason Derillo, welcome to the show. Thank you, man. Thanks so much for that intro, especially coming from you. It means a lot, man. Thank you. The thing you say is you say success is rented.
Starting point is 00:09:56 It's not owned. People get a little bit of success, and then they cool it. I make a little bit of money. I'm making a hundred grand a year. I'm rich now. The rain is always going to come. There's always going to be a little bit of money, I'm making a hundred grand a year, I'm rich now. The rain is always gonna come. There's always gonna be a younger, more hungry, or version of you that's coming next.
Starting point is 00:10:09 It's never like, one day I'm just gonna be like, ah, I'm cool right here, right. No, so I'm always thinking about like, how do I get to the next level, how do I get to the next level? And I think you have to be able to humble yourself enough to bring yourself down enough to realize that there's always room to grow.
Starting point is 00:10:26 Even where I'm at in my life today, I'm trying to figure out how do I get better. I'm always learning and I learn from anybody and everybody. People can say some really hurtful things. If you like, take a look at it, you can be like, damn, I can actually listen to that and kind of implement that within my life. You can only rent success because if you don't keep paying
Starting point is 00:10:46 that rent, it can easily be gone tomorrow. The achievement train, like the accumulation of awards or stuff, there was a point where I was like, this doesn't quite juice me like it did, and I'm not even sure it's healthy. I kind of morphed at some point into, who could I become? That one doesn't tire me out and doesn't feel nearly
Starting point is 00:11:04 as daunting. When I was a kid, I would have like this Lamborg't tire me out and doesn't feel nearly as daunting. When I was a kid, I would have like this Lamborghini on my wall and I'm like, I'm gonna have that Lamborghini one day and it was about like stuff. You know, like my parents would argue about money and I'd be like, I'm gonna fix that. When I get money, like my parents are no longer gonna argue. And I thought that like stuff
Starting point is 00:11:22 and just owning things would make me happy. But my happiest moments have always been in the grind. It's the journey that I've enjoyed the most. It's looking back at those 2am, those 3am, those 4am, like, oh, you know, I was in the grind. I was doing my thing. I was trying to make it. Those are my favorite moments. You talk about choosing your competition.
Starting point is 00:11:43 This is another super big key to success in making your dream come true. The average thing for somebody to do is pick somebody in their class and be like, okay, I wanna be a come a basketball player and so does he. Okay, I gotta make sure that I'm better than him. But the fact of the matter is he's not going to the NBA.
Starting point is 00:12:00 And if that's your competition, neither are you. You have to pick somebody in your mind that is way beyond what you can imagine within your own circle because chances are the people in your circle are not going to make it. Don't try to compete against the people around you. Compete against the person that is already doing the thing that you want to do at the highest, highest level. How can you become what they are but more?
Starting point is 00:12:23 This is one of the all-time best pieces of advice ever given on the show. For real legit, guys you've watched fail. What did they do that you should not do? The difference, I think, for me, was I was always humble enough to know that I still had to grow. I still had to become somebody else. I still have to wake up and put the same work
Starting point is 00:12:43 I think that I had when I was hungry. Now, just because I have accomplished some things in my life doesn't mean that I can now rest. I need to have that same fire that when I was actually hungry and I couldn't get something to eat when I wanted to get something to eat. I need to always remember who that person is and keep that same fire. But I've seen other artists, once they make it, they feel like they've made it. And they stop to smell the roses. There's not enough time in the day to stop and smell the roses because if somebody on your ass, all the time, there's always that somebody on your tail.
Starting point is 00:13:18 So you just got to keep pushing with that same intensity. You can't let people catch up. This person sitting across from me, is been on the show before, you guys all want nuts when he was on, but I gotta tell you, he's probably the person whose content I share the most on the planet, because I think it's that good. I really, really like a lot of people in the business space.
Starting point is 00:13:42 I admire and listen to very few. And he has risen up the list for me of the people that I admire and I listen to the most because his content is so good, his message is so good because it's based in actual results and actual experience. My guest today is Alex Hermozosi. Welcome back, brother. Thank you for having me and such a gracious introduction. I just to apologize ahead of time, the audience. There's no way I will live up to that, but I'll do my absolute heart. I'll show my heart. You will. 15 minutes in. You will have exceeded it. Look, here's all I got, wealthy. I don't play
Starting point is 00:14:21 checkers in business. I'm playing chess. I've got multiple moves that I'm already making in front of the other one that set up something else. Most people are like, I just got to get this client. And then once I get that, I'll breathe out loud. And then I'm going to go through this arduous, grinding, debilitating, horrific, self-loathing process to get one more. You can only see as far as like what's in front of you. If you are barely making rent and you're barely making payroll, it's really difficult to think about brand. It doesn't make it less important though, but it's just really hard. Pick one method.
Starting point is 00:14:55 You can pick one reach out, you pick cold reach out, you can pick making content, you can pick running paid ads, and those are all the things that you can do. So we start with the core four that a person can do. But of course, all four work better together. Now, if you didn't have that, the likely that you can do. So we start with the core four that a person can do. But of course, all four work better together. Now, if you didn't have that, the likely that you close them would be way lower, but you would attribute the failed close to bad cold calling,
Starting point is 00:15:12 but you could have given the assist with brand, with content. But what if the sales cycle of your product is different? Does that dictate which way you should go? I'm a realtor. Do you pick a lane, all of the lanes, and does that matter that the product isn't a consumable can of Coca-Cola or a bottle of water, but it's a transaction experience that you're gonna have to go through in the sales cycle?
Starting point is 00:15:34 I don't think it would matter at all. If you're a realtor, warm outreach is gonna be, you reaching out to your friends and family, saying, do you know anybody who's interested in buying a house. Now, ideally, you probably not start with that, because that's what every realtor says. So, it might be something like, hey, what's your dream home or something like
Starting point is 00:15:47 that? And then you can start talking about something more interesting. Cold Reach Outs is, you're just dialing numbers. That is cold reach out. If you're making content, you're talking about the houses that you're selling and many realtor's do that. Then you have paid ads, which also plenty of realtor's either generate buyer or seller leads that they call and then they can help them sell their house. So, that would be the core four. A good realtor should also have friends who are ancillary to the industry. I say, you want to sell the vacation out the plain that they call and then they can help them sell their house. So that would be the core four. A good realtor should also have friends who are insular to the industry. I say you want to sell the vacation out the plane flight.
Starting point is 00:16:08 And so a lot of people, when they want to sell stuff, they talk about the widgets, right? They talk about TSA, they talk about checking their bag and taking the shoes off and who they're gonna sit next to on the plane and the seat and how long the flight's gonna be and the modules and the services and whatever. But people just want Maui. You should be describing the beach and the ocean
Starting point is 00:16:24 and what they're gonna experience the moment they get into the hotel room, right? And they can open up the curtains and they look out the window like, that's what we should be describing, not how they're gonna get there. And this is a little hack for everyone, any type of services business.
Starting point is 00:16:35 Let's say you're an agency that does SEO, whatever. And it takes you 14 days to on-ramp somebody. Rather than saying we're gonna touch in every week, in that week you probably do like 25 things, right? But you're gonna have one meeting. If you want to be really clever Every day Send an email it says hey, no need for reply. Just won't let you know we did these three things We'll recap at the end of the week, but I just want to let you know where we're at if you send
Starting point is 00:16:57 Progress supports every day what happens is you create multiple reinforcement cycles And so you're setting and completing setting and completing and so day seven, when normally your competitor has only talked to them, this is the first time they talk to them since the sale, you had a warm handoff and they've received communication from you every single day. So this is like the eighth touch point correct for them. And now their trust in you is so much higher, which then translates to way lower backouts, way higher ascensions into whatever your next revenue thing is or the next product or expansion revenue and more referrals and testimonials. You are happy right now. This is the best, this is the best version of me I've had so far. But I realized for me that my when I look back
Starting point is 00:17:43 on my short life, the times that I have, that I look at the good old times were always the times where I was in pursuit, not when I was in achievement. The idea that I think inhibits or prevents a lot of entrepreneurs from continuing down the path is that they are like, I'm not happy. Happiness, a lot of times, is just a circumstantial response to whatever external thing. You can be joyful if you reframe the joy around the person you are becoming by doing the hard work. The thing that has, I think right now, been my biggest area of interest in terms of my own performance has been truly divorcing outcome from winning.
Starting point is 00:18:20 I want to be the father that when Timmy wins 10-0, I can look at him and be like, I'm disappointed in you, not because of the outcome, because I know you could have tried harder. And on the flip side, if he loses 10-0, I'm going to be like, Timmy, you'll work your ass off. You left it all on the field. I'm proud of you. I want to be Timmy to me. If I know that I had done everything in my absolute power to prepare, then I could still be proud of me. And I would have earned my approval. It's today's special. It's not every day you sit across from a three time Super Bowl champion, Super Bowl MVP.
Starting point is 00:18:54 Let's just be real. One of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, one of the greatest athletes of all time. And by the way, ironically, I think actually one of the most underrated athletes of all time. It's a fact. But actually, and in press of his football career was, I like the fact that the dream didn't stop there and he was able to post football create an incredible brand,
Starting point is 00:19:16 an incredible career, an incredible life post football. So I just want to pick the brain of the great Troy Ackman. Good to have you. Yeah, great to be on, great to meet you. Yeah, you've been looking forward to this. You too. What's the through line? Then don't be humble today. Between like a Troy Ackman, a John L. Way, a Tom Brady, what is the through line that made you all great leaders?
Starting point is 00:19:35 We are all different. We all lead in a different way, which is true of any field, of course. I think that probably what the through line is for all great quarterbacks, great leaders at that position or in general is that they put in the work and they're not outworked. First of all, you got to play well, but you have to also be the guy who your teammates understand is they're putting in the work and doing
Starting point is 00:20:01 what's necessary in order to be the best that you can be. And I think that those guys that you mentioned, I'd like to think that I'm one of them as well, that your teammates never questioned your commitment, your dedication, and your persistence to being the best that you could be. A lot of people don't deal very well with rejection or failure, but a lot, a lot, and you know this, whether it's been business people
Starting point is 00:20:22 you've met in your life or people that are in a good relationship or an athlete. Guys work really hard to win a championship and then something happens to them after they win a championship, that hunger, that drive, whatever it is. Most people deal very poorly with winning is the truth. It seems like that has not happened to you. My approach, whether it's in football or whether it was in broadcasting or it's in my personal life, is that most people aren't willing to do the work.
Starting point is 00:20:47 That to me is what has driven me throughout my life and everything that I've done. I feel like my success as a player was because I just refused to be outworked. And so I was going to do whatever was required. It's been about discipline and commitment. Watching a lot of football, your rookie year was not gorgeous. You weren't in a Super Bowl that year. No. And how you dealt with a lot of the rejection and failure,
Starting point is 00:21:15 criticism that came with it and probably even to this day, you get criticism people saying things about you that aren't really horrible. I didn't deal with that. I was on 11 as a starter. It was tough. I took a beating. We weren't very good up front. I just remember thinking, man, I was on 11 as a starter. It was tough. I took a beating. We weren't very good up front. I just remember thinking, man, what does it take
Starting point is 00:21:28 to win a game in this league? But I never lost confidence. There were days when it was hard. It was hard to be positive. It was hard to be upbeat. Fortunately, my very first game, my second season, we won. And so I got that monkey off my back. And then over time, we slowly got better and better.
Starting point is 00:21:44 And then of course, we won the Super Bowl in my fourth year and had great success. If you get criticized enough you just learn that it's just part of it. Criticism just comes with the dinner. You know deep down if there's truth to those criticisms. So I try to evaluate myself objectively and I don't dismiss that. My dad was really tough, demanded a lot. He treated me like I was a grown man from the time I was six years old. In some ways that's good. And I do think that in a lot of ways, that is why I was able to go on and achieve a lot of the things that I achieved. But boy, you give up a lot.
Starting point is 00:22:17 You give up a lot of child face just change. Yeah, you give up. You know, you give up a lot when you're treated like that at a young age. I don't recall any laughter in our house and, you know, everybody kind of walked around on eggshells. I'm not that way as a father, but with that said, I'm better now, but there were times then when you were around that, it made you uncomfortable.
Starting point is 00:22:36 You know, you just weren't used to experiencing that. You know, you hear this laughter and stuff going on, you're like, what's going on? You think you were proven something to him as you were teaching me? I think I always wanted to prove to him I was as tough as he was. I think that was what it was. Tough. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:50 You had to be tough to survive in our house. And he was pound for pound the toughest person I've ever known. You're an amazing son. I'm sure he's unbelievably proud of you. The life I've chosen is definitely worth it. I have no regrets. There's nothing I look back on and think, man, I wish I'd have done that a little bit differently. I mean, I know that I've given up a lot,
Starting point is 00:23:09 but there's a balance. I used to think contentment was a four-letter word. Now I really admire those that are content. As long as it's put in the right context, I now am finding contentment. But before I could never have been in that space, I feel like I've been a really good father. The only thing that's mattered to me is, with my girls at the end of my life say,
Starting point is 00:23:31 hey, my dad was a great father. Then nothing else matters. I mean, you say, hey, you're not really thought of as being a top five all-time quarterback. I don't care. But I think I could maybe make that top five all-time dad list. That's what motivates me. That's what matters to me. Our story is gonna be told by those who know us best and I'm thrilled with where I'm at. I mean life just keeps getting better. So yeah, I'm happy because you're getting better. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:57 Every once in a while, I like to use my platform to highlight an up-and-comer. You know, like a rookie. Just somebody who needs some elevation in their life. And so today is one of the things I'm just kidding. This, my guest today is writing his 88th book. He is a legend. He is a mentor to me. He's a friend. I'm getting emotional already.
Starting point is 00:24:31 And he is a hero of mine. And I aspire to be more like him in my life. And I'm so grateful that he's in my life. I'm so grateful that he's going to share this time with us today for the third time on the show. And every time he's on, the downloads go crazy. And he's also one of the greatest communicators who's ever lived and he's written a book about it. And if anybody is qualified to write this book, it is this man. His new book is called the 16 undeniable laws of communication. Apply them and make the most of your message. And he does it every time I'm with him. John Maxuel, welcome back to the show brother. And it's so good to be with you. An amateur speaker or a newer speaker doesn't like silence.
Starting point is 00:25:09 They talk too fast and they talk too much in my opinion. You are the all-time best at the pause and the moment in between the words so that it makes an impact. The hardest thing to coach people in speaking is the pause. The reason that we're uncomfortable when we speak with pausing is the moment I stop, I give up control to the audience. And we subconsciously don't want to give up control. The pause underlines your words.
Starting point is 00:25:36 If I pause, wow, the people are on that thought. If I don't pause, I immediately move them on. What happens is the people are trying to catch up with them the whole time. They're never with them because they're behind them. And if somebody's behind me, whatever I'm saying doesn't have its full effect. If we speak fast all the time, they can't feel emotionally the words. And if they can't feel emotionally, the words don't have the same impact on them. When you pause, you give people a chance to hear the whisper.
Starting point is 00:26:06 When you say things that are substantial and things that have meat to them and have application to them, if you pause sometimes, what you said, whispers to your heart. In fact, I ask myself when I hear a speaker, did I hear the whisperer any time during the speech. speaker, did I hear the whisperer any time during the speech? And I can only hear the whisper, if the speaker lets me have a little time. A couple of seconds, just to settle in. Silence is an active war against the competing voices within us. I want them to hear my voice, but there's a higher voice. My voice, they'll forget. The higher voice, they will not forget. When you look at the audience, there are four words that they start with the F that you
Starting point is 00:26:54 have to constantly be aware while you're teaching. And the first one is how does my audience feel? Do they feel like they're happy and excited and do they have, have are they already leaning in you know are they are you know Are they laid back then they go to that second F if I can find out how you feel and I can say you know what I have felt the same way Oh my gosh, he knows what I'm thinking he knows what I'm feeling he he understands me and then that third F is He knows what I'm feeling. He understands me. And then the third F is, and let me tell you what I found that worked for me. So that now you tell them kind of what you've learned, and then you use the fourth F is, and I think that I can help you find the answer to.
Starting point is 00:27:36 And the moment that you get those four Fs and you're working the fourth, you're going to teach them. You follow me? It works. It just works. One of the things I don't like about success is it separates us from people. And I hate that. I don't want fans. I want friends. I've spoken 13,000 times in over 100 countries of the world. Of course I'm a great communicator, but what people don't understand, it was the practice.
Starting point is 00:27:59 You cannot separate action from success. And you can't separate intentional practice from success. After 13,000 times, of course I'm good, because I've been practicing and practicing it. But if they could have seen me on the front end, it would have helped them because that's where they are. When we tell stories about different times in our life, it does help people see us in another dimension that is very helpful for the learning and the growth.
Starting point is 00:28:26 But I don't like the separation that's successful. I wish there was a way to close that gap because you don't help people when you're separated from people. You only help people when you're beside them and you walk with them and they can connect with you if that makes sense. Yeah. I have, it's my opinion, but I think it's shared by about 98% of the population. I have the greatest college football player in history in front of me here today.
Starting point is 00:28:49 He was also a first round draft pick in the NFL. He also played professional baseball. He's also a TV icon now, and he's a great force for good and force for God in the world. And it's somebody that I've admired from a distance for many, many years. And so many of you have asked me, can we please listen in on a conversation with you and this man? And so we're going to do it today. Please share it because this is going to be epic.
Starting point is 00:29:11 Tim Tibo, welcome to the show, brother. Oh, thank you so much. I've read where your father would tell you that you were a miracle. I see what my dad is such a massive hero of minus because he did it in places where they said, if you tell people about the love of your God will kill you. And he still did. When I was 15 and I was in the jungles of the Philippines and I met a boy who was born with
Starting point is 00:29:38 his feet on backwards. And because of that, his village viewed him as cursed, as less than, as insignificant, and he was a throwaway to his village. But I knew that day that he wasn't a throwaway to God, and God was putting on my heart that he better not be a throwaway to you. I've known that I was supposed to fight for boys and girls, men and women, hurting people all around the world that were viewed as less than.
Starting point is 00:30:06 Because to God, nobody is. Nobody is so that when he did give me athletic ability or strength, it wasn't so that I could carry a football or hit a baseball. It was so that you can lift him up first and foremost, but then hurting people that the world has put down. And you can lift them up. And that is still what I believe is my greatest calling to this day. I wish I hope people can feel what I'm feeling sitting three feet from you.
Starting point is 00:30:34 If you're taking a lot of criticism in your life, bro, a lot. You took a lot of criticism for standing up for your faith, tons of it. You were made fun of, you were mocked, then you get to the NFL, ah, he can't throw, he can't play, then you have the courage, nah, I'm going to go play baseball. Oh, dimtivos are baseball player now, right? But you've been willing to take criticism for your convictions, your beliefs and your dreams. Most people aren't. For so much of my life in sports, I loved it so much. I was so passionate that I would be willing to sacrifice. It didn't come from a place of hard work It came from a place of caring, caring about the game, loving my teammates, loving the coaches, not wanting to let people down
Starting point is 00:31:13 And so that was something that that would drive me to go to the nth degree I think for me in that moment, I felt such a weight of burden and responsibility Because I missed the mark. I felt such a weight, a burden, and a responsibility because I missed the mark. I did. As a leader, as the quarterback, as a part of Gator Nation, I bleed orange and blue. It was my grandfather's dream for him to see Florida win an SEC championship. He died before that happened.
Starting point is 00:31:41 It meant that much to me. I wanted to say something. I wanted to say something. I wanted to say something. I didn't have to. I didn't need to. But I felt like I was supposed to. And there's a difference. I believe when you do something wrong, the first thing you should do is apologize. And so I apologize twice. I'm just so grateful for my parents and trying to instill this is to apologize and then say how it's going to be different. And it feels funny funny as people will sometimes
Starting point is 00:32:06 quote and they'll be like, oh, you promised you all were gonna win the National Championship. I'm like, I never said that. I can't make a promise that I don't know if it'll come true. And so I promised something I believe that could control was that I was gonna be the hardest work in player because I believe I could control that. What advice you would give people about living
Starting point is 00:32:26 in a more intentional existence. When we wanna be fulfilled, it is not what we're gonna take in, it's what we're gonna give out. And that's just not even close, because you know me conversations, I've had in how many people that I've read about and seen that have reached the pinnacle
Starting point is 00:32:39 of what they wanted to do in their occupation, and how many conversations we've had in the middle of night where they said, man, I just thought it was gonna mean more. Yes. I just thought it was gonna mean more. But man, when we step out of our comfort zone, when we all of a sudden, you know, the homeless guy at the light, we stop and we share with him,
Starting point is 00:32:56 we give him something, we take him to go get some food, and all of a sudden his life isn't just different, our life is different, and we need to go back and we need to remember what matters, our non-negotiable is our convictions, all the amazing things that God has done in our life, and we need to our life is different. And we need to go back and we need to remember what matters, our non-negotiable is our convictions, all the amazing things that God has done in our life. And we need to focus on those things. And so, you know, when we get out of bed
Starting point is 00:33:12 and we focus on those things, then we reframe our mind. We go back to what matters. We go back to what's important. We're encouraged by good things. And now we go get ready to head out to life. I have two quotes on my wall when I was young and growing up as one of them. A summer he is out there training while I am not quotes on my wall when I was young and growing up.
Starting point is 00:33:25 It's one of them. A summer he is out there training while I am not. And when we meet, he will win. He's training for my scholarship. He's training for the championship. He's training for the trophies. Training for the moment. He's training for all of that while I am not.
Starting point is 00:33:37 I didn't, I couldn't, I can't get up in the middle of the night because I want to have a work ethic. But I can get up in the middle of the night because I have a conviction that I want to be my best because I have one life, I have one opportunity, I have one chance. That can get me up at night, not because, man, I want to be so disciplined and be a hard worker. There's no weight behind it.
Starting point is 00:33:55 Very few people have the chance to be the best in something. And so are we going to wake up and say, hey, with this day, with this moment, with this year, with my life, with this chance, because I believe that I'm here for a reason, that I have purpose, that I can make a difference, that I love what I'm doing, that I'm passionate, which passion ultimately also just means, passion is a 12th century Latin word that means to suffer. And where did the word even comes from, is from the passion of the Christ that Jesus cared so much for humanity, that He's willing to go to the cross to suffer for them. So when we say we're passionate about something, it's not excitement, motivation, or hype.
Starting point is 00:34:31 It means that we care so much about something we're willing to suffer for. So when we say, hey, we love something, we're passionate. Know what we're talking about. Oh my God. That means we're going to sacrifice. And so do you love it? Are you passionate about it? Right?
Starting point is 00:34:47 Do you want to make the most of your life, of your time? We don't know how much time we're going to have, but man, when we have it, let's run after the things we love and we're called to. I want to finish my life saying, you know what? I know I messed up so many times, but man, with the race that was set before me, I ran, and one day when I get to heaven,
Starting point is 00:35:04 I don't want to get to heaven, well rested. I want to get to heaven exhausted. How the heck are you doing this? You're like exceeding what I thought you would possibly do today. People are like level 26 on the treadmill right now. I'm ready to run through the deck of wall. And I'm dead serious right now. Fired up about today.
Starting point is 00:35:23 Producer calls me about six months ago and goes, hey, Joule wants to come on your show. And I'm like, yes, immediately, yes. But I had no idea what we were gonna talk about. It was just, it was Joule. We got a legend to come on my show. I'm like, absolutely, yes. And then I started to prepare for the podcast.
Starting point is 00:35:40 And then I'm like, oh, she's a mental health advocate. I'm like, oh, that's nice. A celebrity who's a mental health advocate. There's a few of those. And'm like, oh, that's nice. A celebrity who's a mental health advocate. There's a few of those. And then I started to dig into her work. And then I went, whoa. And then I fell in love with her work. And I've been in this loop for, often on for about six months,
Starting point is 00:35:55 learning from her, because she's not just a mental health advocate, she's a strategist. And she's somebody who has lived through this in a way that makes her authentic in the tools that she teaches and her experience in her life. Obviously, you all know her multi-gramming nominated artist. My favorite voice of all time. And somebody whose music I've listened to for about 20 years. But we're not going to talk that much about music today.
Starting point is 00:36:19 We're going to talk about making your life better. So, Joel, welcome to the show. Thank you for being here. Thanks. I really appreciate it. So good to have you. You guys, this is an all-timer. Did you think you're gonna hear someone's in nominee for a bunch of Grammys? We're going this deep on something like
Starting point is 00:36:32 this is an all-frick in timer. I think it's incredible that an 18-year-old young woman with really no upbringing has the vision, the intuition to even begin to stop and study like her hands for two weeks. That's mind blowing to me. Educate us a little bit on this idea that you've noticed this and that I think you believe you can't be in two states at once, right?
Starting point is 00:36:52 I was 18, I was homeless, I wouldn't have sex with a boss, he wouldn't give me my paycheck and I couldn't pay my rent. Started living in my car, my car got stolen, I ended up homeless. I was having panic attacks, I was a Goraaphobic. And I was shoplifting a lot. For your hands or the servants of your thought, maybe if I can watch what my hands are doing, it'll tell me what I'm thinking. So I'm going to write down everything I do for two weeks. At the end of two weeks, I sat down to look at like my data, trying to figure out what I was thinking. And it dawned on me. I hadn't had a panic attack in two weeks. What I stumbled on was being present.
Starting point is 00:37:23 I stumbled on mindfulness following my hands around, forced me to be so present all day long that I couldn't worry about a future that wasn't happening yet and freak myself out into a panic attack. I hated writing when I wanted to steal. If I loved writing, I'd written my whole life. Why did I hate writing then?
Starting point is 00:37:44 I shut my eyes and I thought about shoplifting. I get very excited. My mind gets very sharp. Like I get excited in its intense. I think about writing. My body immediately leans back. My voice drops. I get slower. My mind softens. My whole countenance changes. That was so interesting to me. So I wrote down relaxed and excited. And that was like my first way of trying to relate to these two physiological states. I kept a journal of three things, thinking, feeling, doing. Every time I was excited, I wrote down thinking, feeling, doing. Then as I began to refine these words, I changed it to dilated, relaxed, open, dilated, contracted, excited, anxious, worried, and also it doesn't matter if it's a thought that triggers your contracted state or if it's a feeling
Starting point is 00:38:34 or if it's an action, it doesn't matter, it starts a cascade and it's neurochemical and you get this intense response in your body. So the first time I got this to work for me in a really profound way was when I felt a panic attack coming on. I looked at my list on my dilated. I saw that one of the emotions that worked for me was gratitude, and I was able to substitute. I was able to force myself to do something on my dilated list that elicited a physiological response in my body that caused me not to have a panic attack.
Starting point is 00:39:06 And that was exciting, because I really knew I was onto something that was gonna change my life forever. I've heard you talk about this, that at some point you wanted to learn to nurture whatever you thought your nature was, and that at the same time you said this thing about, you really can't be in two states at once.
Starting point is 00:39:23 I had a bunny named Caramel on the ranch I was raised on and this rabbit was raised with chickens and it pecked at its food and it waddled, which is adorable until you move out at 15 and you go, what if I'm a bunny that thinks it's a chicken? Will it ever know my nature if my nurture was so f*** up? And orange's peel is its response to its environment to protect its fruit, right? What if my psyche was a response to its environment to protect its fruit. Right? What if my psyche was a response to protect myself from my environment, and it had nothing to do with what was the fruit? I spent all of my time on this outward exterior
Starting point is 00:39:57 when what actually really mattered was what was I inside of here. I just had to develop a relationship with it, and I had to develop strategies of getting to know my nature, writing was one way, being quiet was another way, and then ultimately other strategies. I don't like affirmative thinking. It just never worked for me, because it felt like lying. I tried it. I looked in the mirror,
Starting point is 00:40:15 and said, I know what I'm doing, and my body went, you're lying. That's right, your neurology completely contradicts. Because my physical logical state, it didn't change. Exactly. Yes. So it was blowny. Correct. So I had to find what I call an antidote thought.
Starting point is 00:40:28 The sentence I ended up finding that worked was I won't quit till I learned. To this day, it makes me tear up. It is so true about me. And literally, it's sometimes just clinging to saying the sentence over and over so that your body can relax. Get your body into in a different state.
Starting point is 00:40:43 Now you're not going to have a knee jerk response, right? A neurological knee jerk response that is your nurture, you're going to be able to have a thoughtful formed response that's in alignment with your nature. The pattern and the tools that jeweled just presented just there could be the trigger for you to become a very resourceful, successful peak state as opposed to an unresourcible, lazy, unproductive state. It may not be sad or happy or anxiety or fear versus power. It may be just success. Someone listening to this or watching this right now that says, my spouse did this to me or my friend did this to me. I was raised a particular way. It felt like it wasn't all just my choosing, but that some things happen to me.
Starting point is 00:41:21 What are some of those tools that you would suggest as somebody who's feeling those feelings? In the game of healing and the in the job of healing, nobody cares about fault. It's either you learn to heal or you don't. You learn to make a healthier, more nourishing choice now that you know better. Once you know what are you going to do, will you accept the responsibility of it? Learning for me to know the difference between a reason and an excuse. I had a lot of reasons why I couldn't be happy, but when I stopped accepting excuses for why I couldn't be now, my life changed. I think healing is a gritty, gritty job. It's you looking in the mirror and going, what do I got? No one's coming for me. I'm coming for me. What am I willing to do? What am I willing to do different today than I did yesterday? Well, I take notes on it. Well, I see if it worked. If it doesn't, well, I try something new tomorrow. I still don't think I've produced the amount of bliss and happiness in my life that I'm worthy of that I should have more.
Starting point is 00:42:19 Do you relate to that at all? Happiness is a side effect of choices and And often we don't know what's prompting our choices. And why are we being driven to choices that lead to the side effect of dissatisfaction, you know, and fulfilling relationships, and fulfilling friendships, things that don't nourish us, things that deplete us. I had to really come to terms with it was me doing this to myself. I kept choosing abusive people. I kept choosing people that took from me. I kept choosing to give more than I should give. It was me behind the wheel of my body.
Starting point is 00:42:53 What was I doing? What was driving me to these results that led to unhappiness? And could I choose differently? Developing a lot of those tools and strategies for myself started helping me make better choices? I've been talking to this man about having him on the show here for, I don't know, like, six or eight months.
Starting point is 00:43:12 And you would think, well, you want to have him on because he's this, you know, Grammy-nominated artist that everybody knows. And it's not really what I wanted him on. I wanted him on because this man has dimension and depth. He's a really unique person because he's obviously very talented, sold millions, millions of records,
Starting point is 00:43:29 but he's got this dimension and depth because of his life experience and because of his work on himself and personal development. He's also got a book out called Adversity for Sale and it's really, really good. I read the entire thing in two days. So GZJ Jenkins, welcome to the show. Let's see how you're doing my brother.
Starting point is 00:43:44 It's so good to have you and I'm doing very well. I'm sorry to be here, man. Well thank you. You got this thing that you write about about your something GPS. I want you to do my mental GPS. This is so good. If your reputation is good and you're a good person and you pour into people, even at your hardest time, somebody might just point you at the right person or see you in the right direction because they know you're good. The reason why I call it
Starting point is 00:44:03 mental GPS, I feel like there will never be a time of my life where if I lost it all tomorrow that I couldn't get it back. Because I know I understand it and I know how to get back where I left. And then to keep up on that path. And when you from, when we from,
Starting point is 00:44:19 when you lose it, people go bad. They're rob their brother. They'll take from their best friend. I've seen situations where people murder their closest friends. The sad thing is like the culture respects violence more so than money. Either you're gonna be a leader that leads with evolution or you're gonna be a leader that leads with violence. And that's how it works. You ever heard like when we talk we say, why are the good guys gotta go? Those are the ones that get killed.
Starting point is 00:44:42 Why is adversity the topic of the book? And why did you think this is the thing I want to talk about? My purpose is to continue to evolve no matter what, but to continue to give that information back to my culture and to my people and to be an example of what it's like to come out of that. Because every situation that I've been in, and it's funny that we was talking about God, I don't care how crazy it got. He always puts somebody in my life around the time that I needed some information,
Starting point is 00:45:13 or a year, or a connection. I truly believe that he does that for me to show people that you can maintain your integrity and be a solid individual and still survive. You know, without doing anything that would go against who you are as a man and then your legacy. And adversity to me is that small glare of hope. You said something so important
Starting point is 00:45:39 that God has sent you that person when you needed them, the information, the insight, whatever it might be. I want everybody to hear this. He does that for you too. The difference is you need to be an expectation that he's going to and aware that he's going to because he has probably sent those people to you previously in your life. And if you're not aware he's doing it or open to the possibilities doing it, you will miss them. You have to be in a good place too though. You have to be in a good place with yourself. I really realized that because it was times that I wasn't in a good place with myself.
Starting point is 00:46:07 And there was just a bunch of noise. I let things on the outside of me control my emotions. How I felt. I just had to come to a place where I just started to understand what peace was like. The minute I started going inward, everything changed. Because now I can't fault anyone in my life for what they've done to me. I have to look
Starting point is 00:46:26 inside and see what I've done to contribute to that. When I started to understand that is when things start to slow down. You find yourself performing with Jay-Z or you're in the studio with Kanye or whatever. And I know the answer because I know but I want them to hear this. You had, and then you didn't really start in music. It's not like you had to have some massive imposter syndrome at some point. Like, do I belong with these dudes? I don't think I've ever had imposter syndrome. I've been around people that I felt like they wasn't
Starting point is 00:47:01 who they say they are. When I started to get around certain people, I'm like, oh, this is a persona. This is a act, but I'm like, oh, what does that mean for me then? Am I doing the wrong thing? Am I doing the right thing? Because I'm living this.
Starting point is 00:47:12 Like I would live in Daphne this. That was the only imposter syndrome I was feeling like they wasn't like me. When I got into the music, the music was just a way to amplify that, but I still had what it takes to survive in the streets and if you go to any penitentiary, any neighborhood, anywhere that anybody congregates on survival, they know who I am.
Starting point is 00:47:32 Nobody sees me. I'm like, yo, I love the last album you did. It's just like, hey bro, you changed my life. I love you, man. I'm praying for you. That's the part that I can't let them down with. So that's why I refuse to give up that part of me, this who I am as an authentic person just to fit in somewhere. I'm really excited to talk to this man today because you know it's interesting. I was really a fan of his work. I think probably my favorite comedic television character of all time seriously. I know it's my wife's for sure is Dwight from the office. I mean, like the favorite character of my wife ever,
Starting point is 00:48:08 and because of that, how much belly laughing I've done in my life because of this man, probably mine. And then I start digging into him, and his work outside of acting, to me, with all due respect, is 100 times more compelling than his prolific acting career. And I mean it. I read his entire book in one sitting
Starting point is 00:48:29 and then I handed the book to my wife and said, you need to read this and she read it in one setting. And I just think because his work affects me and the things that I'm the stage of my life, what Reigns talking about is the most important to me. So my guest today is Reign Wilson. His book is called Soul Boom right here. Why we need a spiritual revolution and I couldn't agree more. So Rain, welcome to the show, brother. And what a fantastic introduction. I got to say that my favorite radio slash podcast
Starting point is 00:48:57 hosts wife is your wife. And I don't mean anything disrespectful. And I'm also wondering if the one, the single sitting of the reading of my book happened on the toilet or not. It was not. It was actually on a chair on the beach. So not quite. Although, although I'm 52, so I had to use the toilet three or four times as I sat there and read it, but I held it because the book was that good. So what do you mean when you say reinvigorate the word spirituality? And why do we need to in our culture? We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience. Our reality is that we are divine beings. We are having this visceral, tangible, three-dimensional,
Starting point is 00:49:39 consciousness-induced experience as a human being on planet Earth until we're not anymore and we move on. This experience which has to do with our divine qualities, the spiritual virtues that we carry with us, kindness, love, humility, honesty, our connection to our higher power, our connection to nature, all of the aspects of the, what I would call the higher nature of humanity, as opposed to our more egoistic, animalistic aspects of our humanity, when we are driven by our animal impulses, as I have been, those are the more animalistic parts of ourselves.
Starting point is 00:50:13 That's what spirituality is. It's our relationship with our soul. I think about death a lot. I find that it causes me to be more present and want to live fully in the moment because I know these moments to some extent in the moment because I know these moments to some extent in my body are fleeting. My favorite people think about the end of their lives more than other people do. Whereas a lot of people, I think they literally believe thinking everybody else is going to
Starting point is 00:50:35 die except them. We are all going to die. This is the only culture in human history that has shunned conversations about death. Death has been a part of the ongoing human conversation for 100,000 years. In fact, the earliest evidence of spirituality in humanity is the earliest evidence of humanity, which are burial mounds 200,000 years old, where people are buried with implements they're going to need on their journey. Humans have always viewed death as a continuation of an ongoing journey.
Starting point is 00:51:08 We dig in a conversation of death to better frame the experience of being alive. We are not as a culture talking about suffering enough. What is the purpose of suffering? The number one thing that psychologists point to with young people of why they are struggling so much in this mental health epidemic, is they don't have resilience. So how do you build resilience if you don't understand suffering
Starting point is 00:51:31 itself? And that leads us to death. You talk about death, you talk about suffering, and that builds resilience. And you understand that suffering is a part of life. It's not something to be avoided. If we are souls having a human experience and we're continuing on our journey, then what is our purpose on earth? Well, our purpose is to grow those spiritual qualities. One of the principle ways that we grow our souls is through suffering. So there is a divine purpose to suffering. Think of all of the suffering that we could end and reduce if we weren't fighting each other and building instruments of war constantly. There is a great mystery and a great purpose to suffering. Who wants to work with someone with a small life and a high drive and a tiny little life
Starting point is 00:52:14 and lots of greed? No one wants to work with someone like that. We want to turn being self-centered from being other-centered, being other other centered actually makes you happier. This process of service to others and thinking about service to others, you can start it for selfish reasons. Start doing it because it'll make you happier, it'll bring you more fulfillment, and actually other people will be drawn to you like a magnet because you're engaging in this process of service to others.
Starting point is 00:52:44 And then before too long, you may start doing it for yourself, and then all of a sudden you just fall in love with the doing of it. Look at the data around gratitude, how serviced others can help you, how it gives you a happier, richer life, because at the end of the day, it comes down to human connection. Today's a really special show for me for a few reasons. One is what we're gonna cover. The nature of the topics we're gonna discuss today.
Starting point is 00:53:11 I believe we're gonna move you and affect you. And I don't think you'll be the same at the end of this hour. That's my prayer. The second reason I'm excited is, I'm a fan of this man, just as a person. As I've got to know some of our mutual friends, I got to know him a little bit.
Starting point is 00:53:28 I'm a big fan of this man personally. I feel as hard in his spirit, even when he just instantly walked in the room. Now I felt it. Third thing is I was a fan of his music. He's one of the great country music stars of the last decade, and I've enjoyed his work and his artistry
Starting point is 00:53:44 for a very long time, but he's sort of in this transitional phase of his life that many of you are in too, but it was born out of sort of a tragic event that I want to discuss with him today. So Grainger Smith, finally, welcome to the show, brother. Man, great intro. Thank you so much, brother. I feel so much mutual respect for you as well. Thank you, man. Something happened in your family just a few years ago with your precious boy, River. Why don't you just take the floor
Starting point is 00:54:11 and tell everybody what took place? Yeah, June 4th, 2019. It's about 7.30 p.m., and that's a beautiful time in Texas, early June. And touring's great. You know, the sky is blue. It's before it gets too hot. So you get this blue sky and these big puffy white clouds and everything is in bloom. And I remember I was outside with my kids, three kids. And it was the night
Starting point is 00:54:36 before I'm leaving for a summer tour. I was barefoot in the grass and the boys are playing water gun fight and I'm spotting my daughter as she's doing some gymnastics and My wife members in the house getting the house ready for bed for everybody to go to bed And I remember out there just thinking to myself. I was holding my daughter's ankles And I remember thinking in that moment Soaking this moment because it won't last forever And I remember thinking in that moment, soak in this moment, because it won't last forever. And I was thinking, much more surface level, just the kids are gonna grow up.
Starting point is 00:55:10 These are good times. We're living in the good times. The good old days are today. Soaking this moment. Really? Everything was good, you know? Things were really good. And I'd worked hard for a long time
Starting point is 00:55:22 to get to a moment like this where work was great. The family was in a solid place. We had our three kids and that was it. River was our youngest, he was three and he was the caboose. We had the family. We had the dream house. Dream house, dream property. Everything we had built was there. It was good.
Starting point is 00:55:43 Shortly after I thought that that soaked in this moment, I noticed that it was quiet. I'd normally quiet for a three-year-old and a five-year-old boy playing water gun fight. And I thought, where's River? And that's not a crazy thought. River was an adventurer. He was always an explorer. He was always the wild man of the house, wild hair and bare feet. And I looked over my left shoulder and there he was in a pool face down. Inside the gated locked pool.
Starting point is 00:56:19 And so part of my recollection is just disbelief. How did he get in there? I'm not sure. Part of my recollection is just disbelief. How did he get in there? I'm not sure I'm seeing right. There's no way that could be him, but it is and I ran and I crashed into the pool and I grabbed them and I thought in my mind, I thought I was gonna grab them and flip him and he would be coughing and scared and crying.
Starting point is 00:56:44 And I'd say, buddy, what are you doing? How'd you get in here? You know you can't get in this pool. How'd you do this? Sun Lincoln wasn't around at all, but that's not what happened. Instead, he was lifeless, cold, like a rag doll. His face was blue. His eyes were rolling around in his head. blue, his eyes were rolling around and his head, whore, absolute whore. Once again, I just couldn't, my brain could not compute what was going on. He was limp and I took his limp body out and started CPR. But I didn't really know it. Just what I'd seen in movies and I kind of knew, you know, breathe into his lungs, pump his chest, breathe again. Not too hard, you know, don't want to hurt his chest. And then I remember thinking, maybe that doesn't matter. Maybe I break his sternum. Maybe that's not
Starting point is 00:57:38 a big deal, you know, all these thoughts just rolling around in my head. My daughter runs to get my wife. She comes out and I say, I need my phone. I didn't have my phone on me. She goes back in to get my phone. She runs back out. We call 911. Dispatch is walking us through proper CPR. We lived out in the country.
Starting point is 00:58:00 10 minutes from emergency services. It seemed like an eternity. We would occasionally get him to cough, but it wasn't conscious for him. It was more just a reaction of his body with air and water coming out. To say it was a nightmare is another statement. Going through this. It's every embarrassment. Hold your shock. yeah. Yeah. Emergency services got there. Instantly got his heartbeat back with electric shock. So I thought, whew, dodge the bullet, you know. That was a close one.
Starting point is 00:58:35 Police officers are kind of holding me back and trying to get me to calmly tell them what happened. To them, it's a crime scene, you know. One just sweet heart officer came up, this woman and she said, they're taking them to the hospital, getting your car, take your family and go. And I said, okay, and I jumped into the car, we looked back and I saw all these cops around the house and police officer, I'm a firefighters and they said, go, we got it, we'll lock up the house.
Starting point is 00:59:05 Chase, the ambulance down the highway, got to the hospital, they transferred him to another hospital when they found out how critical it was. The second hospital, the children's hospital, they told us they said, he's very, very sick, but we still have hope. And so I thought, then, I just keep, these thoughts just kept coming back.
Starting point is 00:59:24 It's not as bad as it seems. Okay, maybe he's going to have some kind of brain damage. That's okay, at least we get our little boy back. Then that all crashed when the doctor came in and said, there's zero percent chance of his brain ever functioning correctly ever again. Zero percent chance of life ever again. And we looked at him, we said, could we have a second opinion?
Starting point is 00:59:51 You know, that's the only thing we could think to say. He said, absolutely, brought in another team, neurologist came in, they said, we're gonna affirm the same thing you just heard that there's no chance. That was June the 6th, 2019 for me. River, I feel like I know him. Like this was your wild man a little bit, right?
Starting point is 01:00:10 This was the dude who went fast. Did you just in that moment decide I want to have him have this last ride? River, he loved going fast. Whether it was on a UTV or on a little toy tractor that he had, he always loved to go faster, faster, faster. That was his line, faster, faster, faster. And as we needed to donate the organs, they needed to take him into the other operating room.
Starting point is 01:00:32 So as we started rolling it down, this bed down the hallway, it had this thought, here he goes again on wheels. I told the nurse, I said, hey man, this guy loved to go fast. You think you could wheel him a little faster? And he looked around and he looked at everyone else and had their hands on that bed. He goes, Hey, guys, we're gonna set a Texas record today. Let's start going a little faster.
Starting point is 01:00:52 Doors are open and on these all these different hospital rooms and people are coming out and clapping. And cheering them on. I thought, there he goes. He's going fast one last time. The slide show was my biggest enemy. I was seeing Images over and over of the night. We lost him. I do still see the slide show even today
Starting point is 01:01:15 But it has lost its sting. It loses power over you. It does not have its power over me I remember everything about that morning reading out of John 14 the disciple asked Jesus Lord Why is it that you manifest yourself to us that disciples, but not to the rest of the world? Jesus answered him. If anyone loves me, he will keep my word. And my father will love him. We will come to him and make our home with him. Pastor Piper comes in and he says, that's not unconditional love. That is profoundly conditional. He was saying, there's people that I love, that I will save, redeem, restore, forgive.
Starting point is 01:01:52 And you could tell those people because those are the ones that keep my word. You've made a massive commitment. So if you're wondering like, is this really interesting words this guy's got? Wow, really cool. I just felt really motivated and I'm going to pick my Bible up. Mmm. So a lot more than that. So tell him what you've decided to do with your life as a commitment. Jesus is talking as parable and he says, the kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field, which a man found and covers up. Then in his joy, he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field. There's a word that we can't miss in that parable and it's joy. If you don't feel that joy, he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field. There's a word that we can't miss in that parable and it's joy. If you don't feel that joy, you're not feeling it right. I love this message, I love the healing that's behind it. I love the transformation that it brings the power
Starting point is 01:02:38 of the word itself that the Bible says is sharper than any two-edged sword piercing the heart sharper than any two-edged sword piercing the heart, that I've decided to walk away from music, just so that I can get out, write books and tell people about this message, this treasure in a field. The cool part about how God works is that what you're doing is just planting the seeds. God provides for the harvest in people's lives.
Starting point is 01:03:00 Right. And that harvest is gonna show up, man, these seeds you're planting in ways that you can't even imagine in people's lives at different times. You think of yourself as a tree. You could bend and sway with the storms. You could have roots that go deep, but they can also intertwine with other trees around you to help you stand upright. And then, and then spreading that seed, someone, 10 years from now, maybe, could come up and go, Granger Smith, yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:27 I heard you, you don't know me, but I heard you on Ed's podcast about 10 years ago. And you were that effect that John Piper was for you in the truck on March 1st, 2020. That was you for me, and I'll go praise God. There's all these things you can't take with you, but there are things you can leave here, and these are the seeds that you plan.
Starting point is 01:03:46 I want the person listening to this on the treadmill right now, who's like, yeah, I want to go all the way on that. When you're riding high and playing your music and there's sold out arenas, you didn't need it then, but now that you've gone through this tough time, what would you say to somebody who says that to you? So many times it takes tragic events
Starting point is 01:04:04 for us to see that we aren't in control. Okay. So, hey, I'll give God the credit for that. I think that was God's purpose. I'll let this guy ride high for a little bit. I'll let him see that he thinks he has the world at his fingertips. I'll get him the authority for people to actually listen to him and trust him. Then I'll knock him down so that he could only trust me. We will find out over time whether or not it was a seed-sown and rocky soil that grows up quick and dies off,
Starting point is 01:04:32 but the seed growing in good soil will know by its fruit over time. This is The Edon Myletch, shall.

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