THE ED MYLETT SHOW - Become An Everyday Hero w/ Robin Sharma

Episode Date: February 22, 2022

Does it feel to you that there aren’t enough HEROES in the world today? At times, it seems like many of us have lost our way.  We’ve become so burdened by the size and number of problems in our own lives and in the rest of the world that we’re overwhelmed on how to move forward.  We feel victimized and WE WANT HELP.   We’re looking for heroes and role models to ENERGIZE us and give us the COURAGE and MENTAL TOUGHNESS we need to fight our best fight. But what if I told you the HERO you need is already INSIDE OF YOU? I’m truly thrilled to share with you one of the more special and remarkable conversations I’ve ever had on the show ,with my guest Robin Sharma  Many of you may already know about Robin through his work over the past 25 years.  He’s a globally renowned LEADERSHIP EXPERT who has sold 20 MILLION BOOKS in more than 90 COUNTRIES, including his latest effort, THE EVERYDAY HERO MANIFESTO.   His client roster reads like a Who’s Who of BLUE CHIP organizations that include Microsoft, Nike, Unilever, General Electric, FedEx, HP, Starbucks, Oracle, Yale, NASA, and many others.  Robin is also a deeply passionate HUMANITARIAN, helping children in need live happier, healthier lives through The Robin Sharma Foundation for Children. As Robin points out, the world needs EVERYDAY HEROES, just like you.  But before you can transform into the hero you were meant to be, you’ve got to make sure your HEART, MIND, HEALTH, AND SPIRITUALITY are in sync and ready to work on your behalf to complete your PERSONAL HEROISM EQUATION. Once you’ve achieved this, there are victim-to-hero leaps--such as dealing with your SUPPRESSED EMOTIONS--you must make that will help lead you to your own heroism. Robin and I get into how to deal with your EGO and TRAUMA as part of this process and why connecting with your MORTALITY is critical to your heroic journey.  It’s one of many obstacles Robin reveals that can rob you of your PEACE if you’re not fully prepared to deal with them. We also talk about the importance of MENTORS and how their INFLUENCE as heroes can make all the difference is other people’s lives.  You’ll want to hear what Steve Wozniak, Robin’s 5th grade teacher, and his father have in common and how they made a huge impact on Robin’s life.    Robin is also going to give you a big dose of how to think differently about WEALTH.  You’re going to reflect long and hard about how you measure wealth after you hear Robin’s thoughts on the EIGHT FORMS OF WEALTH.   If you want to become a hero, you must also learn how to overcome your FEARS.   Robin calls this HUGGING YOUR MONSTERS, and it’s a fitting way to end a REMARKABLE and REVEALING road map on how you can take steps to become an EVERYDAY HERO.

This is the Ed Milach Show. Welcome back to the program, everybody. I'm so excited to have this man here today. I've wanted to do this with him for a long time, but it was the universe's timing. I think that we did it now. He's incredible. He's constantly ranked as one of the top three, four, five leadership experts in the world.

But when I watch him speak, I think he's one of the most gifted orders in the world today. He's an author of a whole bunch of different books. We're talking 20 million plus copy sold of his books. He's also a recovering lawyer, which I didn't know until I started to do my research on him. And you know what? There's a bunch of people that endorses work. I mean, people like Nobel Prize winners, Desmond Tutu, John Bon Jovi, and me. I endorse his work. And so he's got a new book out called The Everyday Hero Manifesto, which is incredible. It's about 10 books in one book. So Robin Sharmer, welcome to the show.

We're a blessing. And I finally meet you. Yeah, pleasure. It's mine. I got to tell you, I told you off camera. I'm just a big fan of the work you do and the way that you do it. So let's get into it. I want to serve a bunch of people here today

and a lot of people have asked for you and I to get together and do this. And so this book, I said in the intro, it's 101 chapters, but they're easy to read chapters. And it's a lot of different stuff in one book. It almost looked to me like you said, you know what, I'm going to give you everything I've got in one book.

And the premise of it kind of is interesting. He said, why do you think the world needs more everyday heroes? Because I think in the world today, most people don't look at themselves as heroic. That's exactly why I wrote the book. That's exactly what it is. It's when we, society has seduced us into thinking

and that the heroes are on the mountain tops. Martin Luther King, Jr, the mother to races, the Heide-Lamars, the Desmond Tutus, the JFK's, the MLK's. And that's true. These people have overcome suffering and transcend and tragedy to do amazing things with their lives. And they've served the world and they freed nations

and they've showed us what possibility looks like. But what about the ditch digger who does his work like Beethoven composed music? What about the single father or mother working hard and seeing the dignity of their labor, putting food on the table and being a good community servant? What about the the pizza maker, what about the garden, or what about the firefighter, what about the startup entrepreneur, toiling quietly for 20 years of anonymity until they are unicorn takes off.

Like, I think we've just been seduced and hypnotized and brainwashed and heartwashed and believing that heroes are cut from a different claw. And so I wrote the everyday hero manifesto not only to give tools but to give philosophy because methodology without philosophy is an empty sport. And I'd love to dial into that point. But that's why I wrote the book. There are no extra people on the planet today. A lot of people are suffering. A lot of people have resigned themselves to average and given up on their genius, which they were born into. I don't want to help them to remember that. And so it's time for the philosophy part a little bit too. What did you mean when you said that?

Well, it's a great question because I've done a lot of these interviews. And everyone's so many times it's like, what are the tactics? Yeah. What are the habits? Yeah. So what do I need to do? Right. I think we live in a mathematical world. So it's all about doing. It's all about what do I need to do? I think we live in a mathematical world, so it's all about doing. It's all about what do we need to do, giving the five steps in the book as full of, as you've seen, hundreds and hundreds of tools that I've shared with many of the most successful people in the world as their mentor. But philosophy is your mountaintop. If you don't know your mount Everest, then what's the point of having great methodology to scale the wrong mountain?

That's a recipe for heartbreak. Well, by the way, I completely agree with you. It's interesting. I'm constantly asked for tactics and strategies because that's the thing right now. Sure. It's really interesting. But if you have an understanding of why you're doing something and the belief systems behind it, usually those works are empty. And I think a lot of times it's a very vague, you know,

very invogue thing right now to be teaching, okay, this is my routine. This is the thing I do and you and I both do a lot of that. But I think without an understanding of why or how philosophically it's something that doesn't work for most people. But it's interesting to use the word hero because... And genius. Because I don't think most people view themselves the ditch digger, for example. The mother who's right now raising three kids that are running around the house, plus trying to write her, you know, her blog

that she's doing right now. And just she doesn't look at herself as heroic. In fact, I think in the book, there's a chapter that you have, I think it's called from victim to hero, the leaps that one must make. And I think the other thing in our culture right now, more of a never is there is a little bit of a victim mentality mentality and that, you know, that maybe the world's conspiring against me or my conditions, my background, my story, my shame, my mistakes that I've made in my life, disqualify me from doing anything heroic in the future, right? And so let's talk a little about those leaps in that process. Well, one of the chapters in the book is called the Chestnut Cellars Doctrine.

And I spent a lot of time in Europe and one night I love doing these wisdom walks late at night, sometimes two in the morning, or five in the morning. I walk the streets and I just think and I look at the stars. And so it was about midnight at and the luxury stores were empty. Tourists streamed out of these beautiful restaurants. Not a lot of people were really on the street and there was one square in particular and there was a man hunched over. I still remember it with a blue woolen cap

with moonbeam sort of over him. And as I grew nearer, I noticed he was he was heating chestnuts. And he had this little rickety stove and these chestnuts on it. And he was just moving it. And there was a gentle smile on his face. And I walked over because I think everyone we meet has a story to tell in the lesson, teach if we have the openness to hear it.

Agreed. So I walked over and I bought some of his chestnuts. And I said, you know, what's your story? And he said, well, I'm an immigrant to this it. So I walked over and I bought some of his chestnuts and I said, you know, what's your story? And he said, well, I'm an immigrant to this country. I was a very successful business person. I got ill. I lost my home. I lost my fortune. I lost my business. He said, I moved here. And now I buy these chestnuts and I warm them and I sell them to tourists and people who are walking by on the street And I work many, many hours a day But he says, you know, I can still work and so I can still make people happy

And to me that's you know in a world where you're right there is a lot of entitlement in this world But you know, I've mentored so many billionaires for example and one thing about the billionaires They all are intimate with their access of power. And what? What does that mean? Well, it means that you can tell a victim, and I'm not judging, just reporting, but victims give away their power

to external circumstances. They say it's because of the economy, it's because of the pandemic, it's because of my husband, because of my wife, because of my children, because of my past, that I can't live my genius and change the world. But people, as you know, so well, you're one of them. People who do amazing things in the world

are very intimate with their inner heroism. And they don't depend on the world to give them a living. They're willing to exercise their own discipline to materialize their own gifts and their talents. How does that happen? It comes with practice. Do we all have this potential? Absolutely. Martin Luther King Jr. said, unless you've found something willing, you're willing to die for, you're not fit to live. Yes.

I would take a bullet for the idea that any person on the planet today, with the right philosophy, with the right methodology, with enough time, can do incredible things with their lives. with the right methodology, with enough time, can do incredible things with their lives. Again, that doesn't mean they need to be a billionaire. Correct.

You know, that's where I think that the world has fallen apart. It's like, you hear people introduce and people, he's really important because he's a billionaire. But what about the person who helps kids walk across is like we're all important. I think we have this addiction now to the big. Yes, exactly.

It's got to be big. That's it. Or it's not important. And if you actually reflect on your own lives, it's actually typically things in quiet moments and small things that have been gifts given to you by people that aren't well known or aren't wealthy, that have made the biggest difference in your own lives.

I think I have a sister. Because I think sometimes people think, well, hey, you're pretty well-known now. You're moving and shaking and doing all these things. I've made a couple bucks and influence people. My sister is a, she's my middle sister, Andrea. I don't, I don't know why I was suddenly getting me because she's been my middle sister for a long time, makes me emotional, but my sister was basically born with diabetes. And over time, she lost her vision. And I think she's legally blind. She can't drive anymore.

I've helped connect her with some doctors. She can see a little bit now, but she's a school teacher. And a quiet little Christian school. She doesn't make any money. But for the last 20 years of her life, she's been making a difference in these young, beautiful souls, lives over and over every day. No camera on her, no Instagram, no big money, no big impact. Yet she is an everyday hero. She's a type of person that you write about in her book. I hope she's listening to this so she knows how heroic she is. But you use the word, I want to understand this a little deeper, so I think you can articulate it. You should become more intimate with it, intimate with their own understanding of their heroism. How does one begin to do that?

I think the fourth chapter of the everyday humanifesto is the gold miners paradox. In ancient Thailand, there was a golden Buddha, a towering figure made of pure gold. The people around the country worshiped it was this incredibly valuable value of this treasure. And then it became clear that invaders were going to come into the country and the warriors were going to take it. So the inhabitants hatched a plan and they decided to hide into the country. And the warriors weren't going to take it. So the inhabitants hatched a plan and they decided to hide the golden Buddha. And so what they decided to

do was put layer upon layer upon layer of mud and soil and clay and rocks to hide this magnificent treasure. And sure enough, when the warriors came in, they walked right by and they missed the golden Buddha. Well, a few hundred years later, Ed, there was this young boy walking by and he sees this gold peeking out from all this mountain of mud. And he and other people as neighbors started chipping away at the layers of mud and every time they chipped away

a bit more mud, more of the gold shine. There was an immediate payoff and they chipped away more of the layers of the mud and more of the golden Buddha started to shine. And as they did it day after day after day and after a few weeks, there was this incredible treasure known as the golden Buddha. And you see, I actually went and visited it. There's the picture of me standing in front of it. It's amazing. And I could not think of a better metaphor to describe how we've forgotten who we truly are. We are born into perfection

and then we are seduced into average. So right. And what does that look like? It looks like the programming of our mother's father's teachers, preachers, peers, et cetera. It's the programming of the media. It's the programming of the world around us. We pick up doubt, fear, disbelief, and it's not only mindset, a key part of my work.

I talk about it a lot in the everyday here in Manifesto, but even in my other work. It's not only the mental programming that we pick up that separates us from who we truly are. It's also what I call not only mindset, but heart set. We get wounded through macro and micro trauma, and we disassociate with our brave and wise and creative and productive hearts. And so what happens as this process continues, the layers get formed over the gold and we forget who we truly are.

And then we have a story about our potential. We have a story about our prosperity. We have a story about our prosperity, we have a story about our health, we have a story about what we can do and be in the world. And if you repeat, and our behaviors are always aligned with their self identity and the story. And then we fight for that story even though it's a lie that we've sold ourselves. Everybody should go back and listen to that last minute. I want you to hear the whole interview with that last minute is the holy grail of what happens in our lives. It becomes this conditioned pattern that would begin to reinforce our own story over and

over and over again. Unless you, and then one of the most powerful things you could do, and by the way, it's reason I want money for you to get this book, all of you to get the book, is that just an awareness that you're in this conditioning and this pattern has it lose a little bit of its power over you. And then once you're aware you're doing it or you have it, now you're in this conditioning and this pattern has it lose a little bit of its power over you. And then once you're aware you're doing it or you have it, now you're open to the philosophies and strategies of change. But until you have an awareness that, oh my gosh, I am doing this.

I'm living this conditioning and pattern that my, because you were born to do something great. You weren't, you were born special. You were born heroic. You were born wired with your own special form of your genius, your vision, your humor, your beauty, your nurturing skills, your listening ability. There could be any number of different geniuses that you have. And then you were conditioned to believe over time that those things didn't matter and that

they don't make an impact. And so super powerful. You have this, you just touched on it and I'm so glad you did because, by the way, you can see how special Robin is. This is not like any other interview we've done before. His approach is very different. His way of explaining things is different. It's almost like a philosophical,

scientific conversion of genius in one guy, right? And then the way that you deliver it. But this, you said, health set, or you said, heart set and mindset earlier, I believe. But there's also, you have these kind of different sets that you describe, there's health set, there's heart set, there's this combination, can you describe those? Absolutely.

So we hear so much in the personal mastery and leadership feel everything is mindset. No, just respect whatsoever to all the pundits who evangelize it. I believe there are actually three other interior empires that complete. So, personal heroism equation. Mindset is an important absolutely because that's your psychology. Your daily behavior reflects your deepest beliefs unless you upgrade your psychology, then your behavior will always be limited. No question positive thinking is important, but there's

a chapter in the book called the Big Eye of Positive Thinking and get into that, but so your mindset's important. Having said that, there are three other interior empires. The second is your heart set. Now, a lot of people, I know so many entrepreneurs and industry titans and professional sports supersers follow your work. This could sound like a little flaky and weak.

Actually, it's incredibly powerful to purify your heart set. Because your mindset is your psychology, your heart set is your emotionality. Yeah. We are as human beings, we have emotions. It was a wide open heart that allowed Beethoven to do the Moonlight Sonata. It was a wide open heart that allowed Shakespeare to do his work or Eddie Lamar to invent. If you look at the most successful,

even industry titans, these people are being driven by compelling cause. Steve Jobs did what he did, not because he cared about money. Steve Jobs did what he did because he was an artist who wanted to bring great beauty to the world. I heard an interview yesterday out tributes after his death from people in Newham. And they said he was, yes, he would get angry because he was so invested in his mighty mission in making the world a better place.

He was almost evangelical. He was almost evangelical. There was, there was one thing I found this so fascinating. He called one of his designers to him the morning when they were working on the iPhone. Designer wakes up, yes, Steve. He says, Steve Jobs says, well, you know, in the back of the iPhone, there's three screws.

Designer says, but that's inside. No one's ever gonna see those. Don't worry, Steve. Steve Jobs says, yes, but we know those three screws are there and two screws are gonna be much better. Fix it. So so heart set is our higher level emotions like gratitude, awe and wonder. And yet here is the key point. Our hearts at all.

So is all the suppressed emotions that we pick up as we go through life. Carl Jung called it the shadow side. Sigmund Freud said, all of the suppressed emotions that we do not feel like guilt, anger, shame, disappointment, frustration that we pick up as we go through life. If those are not dealt with, they come back in ugly ways.

And so... And their suppressants to your genius, everything. Well, that is the absolute key because if our society doesn't welcome us to work through those. So what it creates is in the book, I call it a field of hurt. And so you can do,

go to all the productivity courses, you can read all the business books, you can learn exactly what to do about mindset, what you're never gonna get to world class, you're a greatness because there will always be a block between who you are and who you Truly are because of all of those suppressed emotions once you learn how to release them You get intimate with your inner heroism you your creativity source your productivity source

You actually open your heart to love great products are made of love great teams are built of love great movements are launched from love Then there's so there's mindset there's heart set, there's health set, and then there's soul set. Soul set is your spirituality. I'm not necessarily talking about religion, but once you turn down the loud voices of your ego, we can talk about the tools to do it, but, and you start to hear the silent whispers of your inner hero, you start living the truth. And when you do that consistently, you become the most powerful person in every room that

you're in. And you don't need to worry about branding because your character and your energy and your love is the messenger for every single thing you do. So those are the four interior empires, and all the external habits and rituals, please pre-sleep routines, morning routines, those work brilliantly once you've upgraded the four interior empires.

Some of the best stuff I've ever heard. Thank you. Right there. And by the way, if you go back and look at a lot of Robin's previous work, and we talk a lot about routines, five A and club, all these other things things that we both talk a great deal about. This idea of the heart set, and I just have to tell you that that was a big, I just want to share with everybody that you articulated in a way, but I think that was one of the shifts

that happened in the middle of my life that I did begin to work through some of those negative emotions that were installed in me. I have found that all of the creative geniuses, you know, you all have those talks or conversations you've had in your life, you're like, well, just all the words came to me. These thoughts came to me that I didn't even think were my own. And maybe because you've worked on your heart set, the spiritual part of you has opened up to getting divine inspiration and divine messages and things that are beyond what you thought were your normal capacity before and so I love it now the ego thing is an issue for everybody. Ego isn't always by the way that I think I'm great ego sometimes is that you're just so obsessed with you. And you're obsessed with your own problems a lot of people that think well ego is only for really people that are successful to brag about No, ego often is just being self-centered,

not getting out of yourself to serve other people. You could be making no money right now, and not had any success in you that you think in your life that you've had. And you still could be struggling from an ego issue, and I think ego is the lack of getting out of oneself and into the lives of other people, other humans, into the spiritual realms of your life. So ego could be your issue as you're listening to this. Unbeknownst to you, because it was to me, I thought I didn't have an ego issue when I was broken. Yeah, I did.

I actually, one of the reasons I was broke is I had an ego issue. I was so self-centered and worried so much about myself and my life, and whoa is me, and then I just started the journey of getting into serving other people. Yes. A lot of that change would have happened. So what are some of those strategies that you were referencing earlier about removing ego or minimizing ego? Well, first, on that point of ego,

I believe ego is the voice of fear. I believe ego is the construct that gets formed after we leave the innocence of childhood as we experience micro and macro trauma. Trauma is not a dangerous word. Trauma is actually what makes the great heroes in many ways. I'm not saying I'm a great hero in any way. I'm just saying what cracked my ego open has been tragedy. The more I've suffered in my life, the more I've woken up. One of my favorite books is The Prophet by Khalil Jarran, and he said, the self-same cup that holds your wine was burned in the potter's oven.

And so I think it's important, especially in this world that we're going through right now. Pain is an incredible purifier. Pain is a purifier. Oh, it's the greatest purifier. A bad day for the ego is a great day for the soul. When we're going through, we're kicking and screaming, waiting to get out of the heartbreak or the illness or the bankruptcy or the loss of a loved one.

My humble encouragement to stay in the pain, because it is when you deal with tragedy and navigate it, that you learn how strong you are. Helen Keller said it more elegantly in it than I ever could when she said, we would not learn to be brave or patient if there was only joy in the world. believe there is a magical or brilliant orchestration of our lives that sends us the difficult times at the perfect moment to help us evolve into the human beings were meant to be. Do you think someone can simultaneously stay in that pain and still be, I always have this philosophy that what I'm feeling the most helpless is to become helpful. Yes. And so do you think there's a nuance there between staying in the pain and understanding it and living with it in the same time attempting to get out of yourself

to some extent and serving others? Well, I think serving others is a great way to move ahead. There's a line in the book, which is you're, you're allow your past to be in academy. You can learn from not a jail. You get imprisoned within. Yeah, so I I think yes by serving you can move out of it, but I think I Think pain is pain is an incredible teacher. There there's one of the chapters in the everyday here in Manifesto Where I it's a very vulnerable book for me. It is. I was gonna just say that to everybody you share things about yourself in this book But you've not done any of the other work you've had.

Yes. And one of the chapters is that it's that time, ten years of my personal journals vanished. And I don't know if you journal, you probably do. I do. I journal every day. I can't imagine that happening. I can imagine not journaling. And so I write about my hopes, my dreams, my vision, my difficulties, my struggles, my care,

chaos, so I can move into clarity and 10 years of them just vanished. I'm not, I don't think it's the right thing for me to explain the dynamics of it, but it was during a very difficult time of my life. But it was that very time of my life, and I've gone through different tragedies as I've advanced along my path. But it was that difficulty. It's when you're down on your knees, you're closest to your destiny. And it's when I was going through that difficulty that I was introduced to the great virtues. It's when you are suffering that you learn, I think the greatest of all spiritual lessons,

which is to let go. Yes. Everyone always says, Robin, I want a journal, but what if someone sees my journal? So this is 10 years of my most intimate rumination and thoughts and struggles and they were all gone. So what life taught me through that gorgeous loss

is let go. Well, at the end of the day, what will people see? They will see a man on the path with flaws and hopes, strengths and weaknesses trying to figure it out. That just makes me human. One of my favorite movies, it's with Jeremy Renner, it's called Kill the Messing Journey, says, if you look inside anyone's life, what do you see? A three ring circus. So true. And by the way, I think it's what makes us I mean, I I connect with you and I hope people connect with me because we are men, we are human, we do have frailties, we do have doubts and fears and worries and anxieties and I don't want my

journals taken or to disappear. I don't want your journals taken. Trust me, you really don't. my journals taken or to disappear. I don't want your journals taken. Trust me, you really don't. But I have to tell you that that's one of the things that I love about this book is because I think there's just a personal side. I want to say one thing about the book. And everyone knows you might have someone on the show.

If I don't love the book, you won't hear me talk about loving the book. I just got to tell you that I don't, no matter what your outcome is, this particular book is so vast and so deep that I think you can come from different reasons and want the book and you're gonna get something profoundly life changing from it.

Speaking of life, you and I share something in common that I don't know any other two guys talking about. I think and talk about death a lot. Amazing. I think there's a beauty in contemplating one's death because I think it makes us feel so much more precious to be alive. And I think this avoidance of that topic robs people from beautiful things in their lives.

And so in the book you discuss this too. So I just want to let you go on this a little bit. But death, the concept of it, the shortness of life is all in this book. And it's stuff. I think about, I would say, not just daily, but I think I probably contemplated multiple times a day and I'm not so sure it's not some unconscious conversation happening in my mind all the time that causes me to want to live now, to want to be present, to want to do something great with my life.

I'm comfortable in that conversation. So, and I know you are too. So, I'm unleashing you here on that. I would say Ed that one of the greatest tragedies is not connecting to your mortality on a regular basis. I think every single human being, it's almost hardwired into a neurobiologically. There's an ambient fear of death. And I think that limits us

dramatically. And I think not knowing that your days are numbered, like I believe, I buy a hack, and I eat very well, and I do all the right things, and Ray Kurzweil, for example, says, if you live for another 30 years, you might live for another 100 years or forever. And there's amazing things happening that we're all very excited about. Having said that, I'll be very grateful and lucky if I live another 25 Christmases. And that's how I actually say it to my family. I say, 25 Christmases. If there's a trip I want to take, I'll go, should I do it?

25 Christmases. And there's another thing I want to do, 25 Christmases. If there's someone I don't know, do you know how much of our life we miss because of a fear of rejection? So if there's someone I want to meet, oh, egg my let. I get, you know, as I was driving around here, I feel a little blessing to meet you. So did I, bro. You know, it's like a blessing. Yeah.

So the shortness of life and building intimacy with your mortality is incredibly, incredibly important. In the book, there's a number of things I say about death. It's a very inspirational book, but at the end I talk a little bit about it. One of the things I say is I say, forget about legacy. Everyone's talking about legacy right now. 20 years ago I wrote a book called Who Will Crying When You Die? I really was believing in what legacy. Joseph Campbell's idea to live in the hearts of those we leave behind is not to die.

Now I don't care about legacy because when we die, we end up as a pile of dust in someone's earn over their mantle next to their little league trophies. It does not matter how we are remembered when we are no longer alive because we're dead. All that matters is how we conduct ourselves, how big we dream, how decent we are, how brave, how we overcome our trials and troubles while we are alive. So that's one thing I would say. So good. Like forget about getting your name on a hospital wing. I think that's an ego play. Live beautifully, dangerously, fully, creatively, wide open right now,

because our days are numbered. Second thing I'd say about depth, there's a chapter in the everyday or man of Festo called, depth is just a hotel room upgrade. So it's almost like, and I room in that chapter, it's almost like, you know, we're living

a three or four star hotel, we're going through life. But when you die, you get upgraded. Yeah. And you go to this place where there is exponential creativity, really cool people, lots of light, and a whole new universe. Why would you fear a hotel room upgrade? Those would be, and then I think the third thing I'd say is just so good. One of the traps human beings fall into is we believe we are not going to be one of those people

who will be caught in the violent attack. We will not be one of those people who die from the plague. We will not be one of those people walk out and get into a car accident, but people die every single day. And I think it really is wise, you know, not to postpone living. Oh, brother. I think some people, I think a lot of people actually consciously don't think they're going to die. I think they think everybody else is going to die. I think some people, I think a lot of people actually consciously don't think they're going to die. I think they think everybody else is going to die. I think everyone's going to die and that somehow is buying them time to getting around. One of the gifts of thinking about death and what it means and what will happen then, I think is it actually is a really quick shortcut to confidence and lack of fear because you

understand, if I get rejected here, I have a 25 more, this goes away and 25 more Christmases anyways. And if there's people that you love, the contemplation of them not being here will cause you to be so much more present with them. I didn't need my dad to die last year. I just needed to realize he was going to

when he was living and I would have taken more phone calls. I would have put my phone down more often when I was talking with them. The thought of that concept, even for the people you love will cause you to be so much more present and appreciative because through this, I only really saw my dad four or five times a year.

So even if my dad had six more years to live, that was only 24 or 25 more times with my dad. They should have been precious. And so I love, love, love that you talk about this. There's a depth to you and your work that just goes beyond, okay, here's a strategy, here's a tactic, here's a thought, here's a hack, even though you have a lot of them, I have them as well.

I love the depth to what you talk about, being in your presence, it's obvious to me as well. You've also had the blessing of some heavyweight mentors. I think it's chapter eight, but it's kind of like the advice from heavyweight mentors, right? Give us a little bit of that juice there. Steve was Nick, the co-founder of Apple was on my stage when I used to do an event called the Titan Summit, Richard Branson was there, Shaquille O'Neill, many of the world's A-players and history makers. He was a great mentor to me.

I think it has such a great heart. Steve. Steve. Oh, pure heart. He's such a beautiful man. I showed up, like, you know, alone in the taxi, you know. He's giving out guys in the crowd his phone number from the stage.

He's just such a great guy. He's just so humble, you know. And it was like, what was your dream? I just wanted to do the most amazing coding? I just wanted to do the most amazing coding. I just wanted to do the most amazing coding that other engineers would look at and just go, this guy's incredible. I didn't care about money.

And I don't, he was just, he's just, I'll be, can I say one thing about it? Just because I suck, by the way, I say very good impression of him, is that he's one of these stories that most people don't really know. Steve should be one of the five six wealthiest men in the world. But what he did to give away early on in Apple and even after Apple became a public company is one of the most amazing stories that most people don't know on the

planet as he helps so many other people become wealthy at his own financial expense. You know, it moves me to mention the words Korraway. Core greenway was one of the greatest mentors of my life. She's my grade five history teacher. And there's a picture of her in the book that she was 101. And when I was growing up, I marched to a different drummer. I didn't really fit in with the stylish crowd. I trusted my own voice. I lived in my head in many ways. I loved to read. I was minimized, laughed at, put down, disbelieved. Teacher said, he'll be a

drifter, he'll be a vagrant, he won't amount to anything. And one thing I would say to all your many millions of viewers from around the world is, you know, you can listen to the opinions of your critics or you can change the world, but you don't get to do both. Wow. In the book, there's JK Rowling. She actually had a pseudonym, Robert Galbraith. She wrote a book after the Harry Potter success.

She wrote a book under the pseudonym Robert Galbraith. She sent it out to people in the publishing industry and they said Some back letters that said, you know, you would do well to join a writing group and to and to take writing lessons to J. K. Rowland so I was I was minimized and So I was minimized. And, but this teacher, you know, in grade five, choreo greenway, she saw something in me that very few people saw in me. And she took it upon herself to save me in many ways

and to build me up versus tear me down. And she said, Robyn, there is something special in you and I see it. And I think the job of an everyday hero is to shine a light on people's talents and help them become bigger in your presence. I think that job of an everyday hero is to shine a light on people's talents and help them become bigger in your presence. I think that's what the world needs right more right now. Oh, ramen. I think that's what the great leaders do. They, the ego is so turned down and there are such servants that they, they, they make people feel bigger

in their presence and they leave people better than they found them. And so, Korra Greenaway really saved me and inspired me. My life moved into a all-new trajectory after that. And I think that's the power of a mentor. A few years ago, I started searching for Korra Greenaway. And I didn't know this, but I learned that when she was a young woman, she actually was a part of the Dutch resistance and she would go under enemy lines in Nazi territory and she would save children who were going to Nazi dep camps. And just this was my grade five history teacher. Wow.

And then the third mentor, I've had so many, but would be my father. And you talked about your father and you talked about your sister. And my father is 84. He was 54 years. He was a family doctor. And he used to say things like this to me when I was growing up. You'd say, Robin, when you were born, you cried while the world rejoiced. He said, live your life in such a way that when you die, the world cries while you rejoice. Wow. He was a Rotarian. Your father said this to you. My father said it to me. My father was a Rotarian. He would quote Paul Harris, the founder, and he'd say the one who serves the best profits the most. And my dad has been just like a terrific philosopher to me. So those would be

three of the big heroes in my life. Obviously my mom, my mum will say like, why didn't you mention me, but she's magnificent. Of course, I make that same mistake when I talk about my dad, by the way. I have to share something with you. I think this little exchange right here is going to be the reason that your book is so profound. So I've had you and I have been blessed to have access to about every brilliant mind, nervous, successful, whatever on the planet.

They either want our advice or we get theirs, which is a pretty cool thing. I have to be careful that I can get through this sentence too. Yours is your fifth grade teacher. I have to be careful that I can get through this sentence too. Yours is your fifth grade teacher. I have these little tiny moments, I'm gonna be an ocean, but I have these little tiny moments in my life where people that don't think they were everyday heroes completely changed the complete direction of my life.

I had a fourth grade teacher. I was small, my dad was an alcoholic. I was a guy, just switched schools. I was just thought I was nothing. I had no fourth grade teacher. I was small. My dad was an alcoholic. I was a guy. I just switched schools. I was just thought I was nothing. I had no self-esteem and I was struggling in school. It was obvious that the other kids didn't like me. I had a Mrs. Smith.

Susan Smith was my fourth grade teacher. I remember I used to tell this story even on my show five, six years ago that this is every day heroes guys. These are two of us sitting here. We ended up do a fourth and a fifth grade teacher, both of our dads and basically one other person, right? And so the someone walked in the back of the room and said, Mrs. Smith, we need one of your smart, you kind of whispered it, but we go, we need your smartest student because we're going to take the state exams in the other room,

right? And I watched Mrs. Smith, she was sitting at her desk, where you're doing work and she goes, that would be little eddy. I'm getting goosebumps right now and she points at me. And she thought I was the smart one. And I got up and I walked to the back and I went back and took this state test. It was the first person that ever told me I was smart.

It was the first person that ever called me out in a room and said that I was special in my life in the fourth grade? And it stood out to me so much to the point that I talked about it on different shows I've been interviewed and I saw it her out About four years ago. She remembered me. Wow. She did that on purpose because she knew I was struggling There was no test that I needed to take She knew days before she was going to do that. She asked somebody to come to the back of the room. She asked them to say that so that we could all hear it so that

she could say my name so that I could stand up in front of the class and walk out. What a beautiful woman. What a heroic woman. And that difference. If that doesn't happen that day, I'm pretty sure you and I aren't sitting here right now. I have in this conversation. So if you're wondering in small ways, whether what you do is heroic, what was your fifth grade teachers name again? Core green way. Core green way. And Susan Smith have changed the course of both of our lives. Is she still? She's not teaching anymore, but she's still with us. She did that on purpose. Is that not incredible? For a little boy in your class. You know, there's a model towards the end of the everyday here in Manifesto called the eight forms of wealth.

And I think what we're sharing really speaks to it. Our society has brainwashed us in heart, washed us into believing that the ultimate metric of success is money, position, what I call FFA, fame fortune and applause, versus the truth, J.P.F, joy, peace and freedom. And I think, you know, there are eight forms of wealth. Money is only one of them. Now, for all the business builders who follow you and who follow me is money important. Absolutely. It gives you freedom, philanthropy, magical times. You can help. It just, it helps tremendously. You go through life, philanthropy, magical times.

You can help. It just, it helps tremendously. You get to go through life with it or without it. Take it with it. No question. I'd rather stay in a nice hotel room than in, you know, flea bag, et cetera. I'd like great food versus having said that there are seven other forms of wealth. And we can go through them.

And I still have an answer to your question about the tactics for heart set healing. We can talk about the effort tool that's in the book. Let's do both. And you know, my experience is with healers and acupuncture and all that kind of thing. But I think I think it's really central for us to appreciate, I believe that there are seven other forms of wealth. And one of those is family. I've mentored so many billionaires and they've got the jets and they've got the yachts and they've got massive fortunes. And they are heartbroken because they have lost

the connection especially with their children. With children you have a little window of opportunity and once it closes it's really, really, really hard to open it up again. Another form of wealth that is incredibly important and I know it's so essential to you as health. I mean, right? Someone once said to me,

help, there's a crown on the well person's head that only the ill person can see. Right? So it's like, you have all the money in the world. I've had clients, they have all the money in the world and they've lost their health in the process. One had an autoimmune disorder

and he showed up at my office and he looked very ill and he'd lost a lot of weight, and I said, what happened to you? And he said, well, as I built my business, I lost my health. Now I've turned the business over to my executive, my leadership team, and my wife and I travel the world, look for healers to try to get me back to health.

Another form of wealth, so good. It is self-mastery. I mean, I think the ultimate mission of life is self-knowledge. If you go to the temple of Delphi over the archway, it's no by self. All the great St. Sages and Series say the ultimate goal of life is to make the journey to understand your gifts and your talents, to build your character, to build intimacy and fluency with your bravery, creativity, and productivity. That's why I love work. It makes me a stronger, better person. So that is a form of wealth. If you have work, you are loving. If you are reading books, if you are listening to Ed Mylet, if you are going to the courses, if you are doing

the healing, that is a form of wealth to cherish and celebrate an honor. The last form of wealth is, I used to call it legacy, I don't believe in legacy anymore, like I mentioned, but it's helpfulness, it's usefulness, it's impact. And if you get to help one person in one day, I would invite all your millions of listeners from around the world. If you get to do one thing in a day, or we all can, that upgrades someone's life that puts a smile on their face, that has been a very, very special day. Paul Gisal, the center of the LA Lakers, came to one of my events. We had dinner afterwards. I dropped them off the airport. Everyone was looking at him. He signed every single autograph, took every single photograph. As I left him at the gate, I said, pal, you know, you, you stopped for everyone and he

said something to me. I've never forgotten and it's so valuable. He said, Robin, it takes so little to make someone happy. Great form of wealth. Such a great, such a great conversation we're having. Right. Thank you. I was just sitting or thinking, I'm so blessed to be sitting here talking about this with

you. I knew it would be great, but I'm really blessed. I'm really grateful that we're doing this. And by the way, he's legendary for that in this area in Los Angeles. Or just being kind and and he was Kobe's favorite guy. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, Kobe's favorite guy and all the guys that played with I don't know that I should say that, but you know, what I do know and I do know that was Kobe's dude. So,

we were going to make sure we went back and just so that we've covered it because this has been so good, but you wanted to touch on this health set idea too a little bit. So I'm going to let you go on that. I want to hear about it. Sure. So that's the Trinity of Radiant Vitality. I talk about happy genetics. I talk about the psych about the pharmacy of mastery that gets set up through morning exercise. Talk about supplementation. I talk about sleep. Sleep is not a luxury.

It's a necessity. And the new mechanism that's being discovered where the brain is washed while you sleep, I talk about the importance of massage. I call it the two massage protocol. I don't know if you get two massages every week, but that changed my life. I don't, okay.

Oh, massage has been an absolute game changer for me. Go to the sleep wash thing too for me. Massage sleep wash, it's in the book, but I don't recall that part of it. When you're sleeping, if you get proper amounts of sleep, the brain washes itself. So that's important. I talk about fasting, which is one of my secret weapons.

And that throws the body into autophagy, which is like a cleaning mechanism, the cleans out the cells. And I also, in terms of tactics, because we were talking about tactics, I believe very much in meditation. I don't think I've ever done this before, but last night I did a five-hour meditation. Five hours. Yeah, I started at, I started at seven and I ended at midnight. So I think that's five hours. And I just opened the room, the door of my hotel room. And I just laid on the bed and I felt the sensations. And I just went into this really deep place, but meditation has been incredibly valuable to me, journaling.

I've worked with spiritual healers for 21 years because when you put a voice to your shadow side, it sees the light, it sees the light of day. And so to feel a wound, you need to, to heal a wound, you need to feel a wound. And then there's a tool in the book called the Afra tool, which has been incredibly powerful to move that hidden suppressed shame, anger, fear, guilt,

disappointment that we all pick up and move it out so that you become much more intimate with your highest and best self. Well, you guys need to get the everyday hero manifesto using to get this book. I've read it now. I'm going to read it again. I'm actually picking up things as we're talking now that I didn't even get when I was reading it. So let's look for a few minutes here.

There's all these things we can be doing to get to that everyday hero. First off, it's just embracing that you are one. I think it's fundamental to the whole philosophy of the book. Then there's some things though that are obstructions or obstacles to doing it. Right? It can be tools that they can be obstacles. This may seem like a small thing to everybody, but the more I'm even reflecting last night, I wasn't doing a five hour meditation.

I was with my family, but I have to tell you, I was on my phone too much last night. And it's sort of one of these things that I've really improved out in my life, but to the point of being transparent that my wife said, put your phone down. Your daughter just said something to you. My daughter actually came in, said something to me.

I heard none of it and walked out of the room. And then a few minutes went by and she said, do you realize what I, so there's these things, even it where you and I are or we give away this, you know, we've got this advice and we've made these breakthroughs. There's parts of us we can go back to old patterns again. And last night I fell back into one of those patterns. So there are these obstacles to our piece. There's these obstructions almost. They can be tools. They can be obstructions. You do talk a lot about the phone thing. Yes. You do. And you've talked about it in the past. You talk about it here. So what about what do you know about that most blissful and successful people's relates to these these obstacles, these smartphones or anything else like that.

Well, I mean, you're so honest to share what you share and I would say the same thing I make mistakes constantly. That's good. I know. I think it was a don't you ever do an interview like man, I made it sound like I'm a lot better at this than I am. I know. like man I made it sound like I'm a lot better at this than I am. I know. I know. I walk on.

I think it was Nelson Mandela said if a saint is a sinner who keeps on trying, I guess I'm okay. That's awesome. That was Nelson Mandela. That was so. That was Nelson Mandela. He was so. There's so.

Exactly. There's still hope for us. Exactly. I would say an addiction to distraction is the death of your creative production. Wow. When it comes to productivity. In the everyday hair manifesto, there is a revolutionary rule called the five great hours rule. So you don't need to work for seven hours a day. I do not subscribe to hustle and grind.

I don't work for more than a few hours a day. I take, I work four hours every week. I take four months plus off every single year. How I do it is in the book, including the weekly design system. When I work, I'm away from distraction. There's a difference between real work and fake. There's a difference between real work and fake work. May I let us not confuse busy with productivity? There's a difference between real work and fake work. There's a difference between real work and fake work. May it?

Let us not confuse busy with productivity. Let us not confuse movement with impact. So I think that's really important. We can get into the Menlo Park and the type of total focus structures, but you talked about family yet. And I believe the greatest gift we can give another human being is the gift of our presence. And if you look at the greatest heroes and the greatest leaders, they had an ability to be there. And the very fact you said, it means you do practice it.

And I can tell everyone watching right now, you have so much presence. And I'm not talking about charisma What you have I'm talking about you are here in a world where a lot of people are cyber zombies and You know just not present so I think you can change the world and live a world-class life Or you can play with your phone all day you can't do both and we could get into the science of Emotional residue every single time you check a notification, every single time you like something. Let's do both of those for a minute because by the way, I'm only have four or five, you know, I think everybody's got four or five significant gifts. Ironically, I consider

one of mine my ability to be present. Yes. And so when I almost violate that treaty with myself, that agreement with myself, it deeply hurts me when I do it, because I don't do it very often, when I do do it, it's pretty obvious, I think, because the contrast of the two. Can I ask you a question? Yeah, please.

Sure. How about this? What if you build as part of your family culture, no devices at the dinner table? Yes, great point. What if you have certain rooms, like the family room, which is really a family room? Now, that's good.

Now, that's unique. That one I've not heard. So what I did, what I was so bad that what I did start doing is I left my phone in the car the first hour before I came home. So I was at least engaged in presence immediately. But this idea that there are rooms where there are no smartphones is one of the most brilliant things anyone's ever set on the show. I mean, seriously, I'm going to do that. One thing I am, when I get a great idea, I'm very coachable. And I'll implement it like a immediate, like I tell you that this evening, when I get back, I'm like, this space right here,

there's no phones in here. Here's another idea. Sure. Another idea. Zero device day. Once a week. Do you do that? I do. I do a number of days. And how do you do it? You're schedule. Yeah. Your schedule doesn't lie. You can, people can say this is important, that's important. You look at someone's schedule, that shows their, their trueest priorities. So when you schedule it, you make what habit research here is called a pre-commitment strategy. And by scheduling what I call a blueprint for a beautiful week, you can actually schedule. Saturday is my zero device day. You can do it two days a week. I would also do what I mentor, you know, CEOs in the Titans of industries

and the celebrity billionaires. I encourage them every two months to take a complete week off. I say, go ghost, go dark. So do I. If you look at the greatest Winston Churchill, how did he survive the pressures of World War II? He had checkers and chart well. He had a retreat. I think we must leave our usual place and get away from the world. Andrew Wyeth, the great American artist, he had Chad's Ford, a farm in Pennsylvania, and he had Cushing Mane, a little retreat where he would go to to get away from the noise of the world. If you look at JD Sallinger, one of my favorite books, Catcher and the Rye, after he's 37, checked out from the world, he worked in a little cottage, everyday in Cornish, New

Hampshire. I think we must find time on a daily, if not weekly basis, to get away from the noise. So we can begin to hear the signal again. The signal. I love this. I have to tell you that I think one of the things that surprised me most when I started to coach some of the more successful people myself was the time they take away. The ones that had the right amount of bliss,

it's where their creativity comes from, it's where they, what you're calling here, the signal when they're reconnecting with themselves or they're reconnecting with their spiritual lives. And I just bought an island in Maine. And people, why the heck do you buy an island in Maine? It wasn't that expensive, but the one of the reasons I did it is

that's almost like a territory of disconnection for me. And it's one of the reasons I did. There's not great cell reception there, even if I wanted it. And's almost like a territory of disconnection for me. And it's one of the reasons I did. There's not great cell reception there, even if I wanted it. And it's an isolated place. And it's where I go to hear the signal, the way that you phrase it. This emotional residue thing,

I'll just touch on that really quickly because I've not heard this before. I feel like we all have these friends who aren't on social media or we even have some older friends of ours who aren't even in the text game at all. There is a joy and a bliss that reminds you of a prior time in our culture that they have when I'm around them. A couple of my really, really great friends, there's a joy about them.

I'm not suggesting that they shouldn't be on social media or shouldn't have a phone. In fact, I'm suggesting you do both of those things. Having said that, there is some emotional deterioration, so to speak, that I agree with you on that happens when you're too engaged in them. So what were you gonna say about that? Oh, it sounded like such an interesting point. Well, I'd say a few things, I think. We're happiest when we're in flow state.

And as you know, so well, that is a term coined by Mihai Chixent Mihai of University of Chicago. And it's based on a neurobiological mechanism called transient hypofrontality. The prefrontal cortex, this is the seat of our reasoning. It's also the seat of the monkey mind. It's the seat of our inner critic. It's when we start to slow down or close off the prefrontal cortex, transient, temporary, prefrontal hypofrontalityic, transient hypofrontalic.

Our prefrontal cortex begins to slow down, and our brain waves can go from beta to alpha, maybe even down, mitate, theta, and delta. And when we get away from our phones, when we practice what I call the three S's, stillness, silence and solitude. Our brain drops into flow. We not only feel bliss, there's not only pharmacy of mastery that makes us feel good, but we begin to inhabit the secret universe known to the saints, sayers, greatest artists of all time. What I'm suggesting to you is, Heddy Lamar, Albert Einstein, Shakespeare, JD Salinger, the great business builders, not all of them, but many of them had one thing in common.

They spent long periods of time alone, in quiet, often taking nature walks, working on their biggest problem, on finding the biggest solutions to their biggest problems. So I think you can play with your phone all day or you can change the world you can't get to do both. So transient hypophrontality gets you in a flow state, it doesn't happen if you're checking your phone

50 times a day. So those people you talk about, they are present because they're away from the distractions. I'd say the second thing, emotional residue, it's simply the phenomenon that every time you check your phone, you take some of your focus and you drop it on the notification you just look at. And that's why at the end of the day, a lot of people can't focus. It's because they have dropped their focus on their phone. They've dropped their focus on the TV in the background. They've dropped their focus on chasing these shiny, poise and these

trivialities that be under the quarter, the end of the year, the end of the career, the end of the lifetime, amounted to nothing. And then the third thing to think about is cognitive bandwidth. Every morning you wake up with a full well of cognition. So I think it's really important where you give your attention to. Cognitive bandwidth is almost how I would describe you. You have a tremendous amount of it. I don't want to ask you about that. We're having too much more time. I'm just

really fascinated with you. So all of our friends sort of told us both we should get together and do this today. And now that I'm with you, I'm real, I want to do this again. I'm in the middle of a go. I want like three or four hours of you and I just talking because I just think it's great for both of us and everybody gets to listen to it, right? I feel the same way. I feel there's way. I feel it's real, you know? It is real. But this cognitive bandwidth idea, I'm going to understand you a little bit. Let's just talk about you for a second.

You're fascinating to me because you were an attorney and don't be humble when you answer this question, please. You have a high IQ. I mean, with dad's a doctor, there's some good DNA in there for sure. But you have this amazing ability, for recall of quotes of information of facts and a very diverse set of skills. That's why I love about the book, by the way, I want to say this about the book again, too.

I don't want to say kitchen sink because that almost makes it seem unorganized. That's not what I mean, but there's a lot in here that is not just what you would think about. Oh, be a hero. There's a ton in here. From even all the, the cognitive stuff, the neuroplasticity stuff, the stuff on how the mind works is so, so good.

But having said that, what about you? Are you always been this way? Or is it because you are practicing in so many of these strategies that you're sharing that you've increased your capacity for recall, for memorization of even information and actually owning it. This isn't just stuff you're quoting.

You own this stuff. So I want to hear about, I want to hear about you and I'm fascinated about you. Well, when you have your show, I'll come on. I told you that before, but tell us about you. No humility. I want to know. Well, you know, I would say, don't filter it. I would say, I would say, honestly, I would say I'm a very simple person. I come from

a town of about 2,000 people on these coast of Canada. I Didn't have a silver spoon in my mouth and I don't think I have any real natural gifts at I've been up this field for 26 years Mm-hmm. I live a very minimalist life. I've been up this field for 26 years. I live a very minimalist life. I have very few friends. I do very few things. I am not a maximalist. I don't chase every shiny toy that comes my way.

We get major opportunities every day, 99% of which I say no to, because I'm monomonically focused on the few things I want to build the rest of my life around. And I think if you build your life around just a few things, I think it was confusion. It was confusion as you said, person who chases two rabbits catches neither. And Peter Drucker said it really well.

He said there's nothing so useless as doing efficiently that which should not be done at all. And so I'm just, if there's one talent I have, it's I'm really clear on what I want my life to stand for. But I don't think I have any special gifts, but I call them the SOPs of AWC, the standard operating procedures of absolute world class. And I share them in the book.

The book is really a love letter to people's highest mastery and promise. And these rituals, like the 5AM Club in the 2020-25, the two massage protocol, the second wind workout, the weekly design system, how I visualize, how I meditate, how I lean into fear each day, all of those things, they really, they really do work. And so over the years, I used to be terrifically scared of public speaking, like terrifically scared of public speaking. But thank you, but we have neuroplasticity. You know, our human gift is the gift of growth. The whole idea of heroism is ordinary people thrust into difficult circumstances and using the difficulty to triumph over tragedy.

That's what makes us human. That's why I wrote the book. There are so many people saying, well, I can't have more money, I can't have more love, I can't have more health, I can't change the world, and here's the litany of reasons why. Well, if you recite your excuses long enough, you actually hypnotize yourself to believing them to be true. The fact and then you reinforce it with the way that the world is revealing itself to you.

Just so true. I, um, we got two more questions and by the way, I told you I want to go three more hours. You strike me. It's interesting. You have the most, you have such modern information you give yet you are sort of counter culture to the modern world. In the sense that you do live, I do sense this about you that you do live a simple life, that you do take time for yourself, that you aren't chasing every shiny thing that comes

your way. I think that makes you very, very unique. So you actually link, you actually hit on one of the questions I had to ask you before we leave, because I think it holds so many people back from becoming this hero, from revealing their genius, which is fear. And so just talk a little bit about how you do lean into fear every single day. So there's a chapter in the everyday here in manifesto called hug the monster. And it starts with the story and there's a grand master walking up a Himmily and mountain

leading a crowd of people and they're going to this great temple looking for great answers. And as they go higher and higher, more people start to follow the grandmaster and they go higher and higher and more people start to follow this little movement up the mountain. Once they get to the temple, Ed, they notice there's a courtyard. And before they can get into the entryway to meet the supermaster, they see there's three violent dogs on leashes.

So the group starts to move into the courtyard, but all of a sudden, the dogs break free if they're leashes and they start running towards the group. They start to run faster and all the other people start running down the mountain, terrify. The grandmaster, who was leading them, does something very interesting. He starts to smile. And then he yons, and then he starts running towards the dogs. Dog start running even faster. Grandmaster picks up his space, his pace looks at them, starts running even more quickly.

Yons again for good measure. Dogs run even faster, he runs even faster. Now he starts to dance a little dance, a little tiktok dance dance along the way. Eventually, these dogs get frightened because they feel his power and they run away. And I think as human beings, we construct a reality of these straw monsters that have been taught to us. If you love too deeply, you will be hurt. If you build a great business, you will be attacked. If you try to change the world, the cynics will laugh at you. Our job is to take the stones that people throw at us and build monuments to mastery that stand the test of time.

That's what the troll deconstruction is about. You know you're doing very well when you're being laughed a lot. Every visionary was initially ridiculed before they were revered. So the point is, someone said to me the other day, but this all sounds so hard. And I went back to my hotel room, you know what I thought about? Misery and unfulfilled promise is a lot harder.

And I think the discomfort of growth is always to be preferred to the illusion of safety. So what I would say is the things that all of us are scared about, that's where your growth lives in your freedom lives. And I think, you know, it starts with awareness and then it begins with daily bravery practice. Let's call it micro bravery practice, but consistently doing difficult things, getting good at consistently leaning into the things that make our palms sweat in our hands shake. And that becomes a practice. And if you practice it long enough, you get brilliant like it just like being a chest master. So it's almost like every day you go down the steps to the cellar, you turn on the light and you hug the monster.

And if you hug your monsters, guaranteed, you'll realize there were much smaller than you thought they were. So damn good. That is absolutely a billion percent, right? Oh my gosh, the price you'll pay for not becoming the hero you're capable of becoming is far smaller than the one that you will pay if you never become that person.

It's worth hugging that monster every single day. How do you do it? I lean into it. I actually do what I call feared things first and it is a habit that I do. I like to get something done early in my day, habitually, that I'm a little bit afraid of, that I'm a little bit uncomfortable with, that I have some anxiety with. I find that once I hugged that monster, it was usually smaller than I thought, and it creates unbelievable momentum for the rest of my day.

Oftentimes for the rest of my month, and so I do do that. I also have become familiar with these monsters. And the more you familiar, I think you become with hugging them on a regular basis, the more they sort of lose their power over you. I've seen this guy before. He's not so bad. I've seen this one before. So the more you face them and you do these difficult things, the more you become familiar with them. It's just like I think it's someone in the NBA who's got to hit a shot with two seconds left. The first time you do it, there's a lot of work. Kobe Bryant hit a whole bunch of them by the end of it. He was pretty comfortable hitting that shot under that pressure.

And I think the more you put yourself under pressure, derest you become comfortable in it. And you find what I call equanimity in those moments, which is the ability to be calm and to function at a high level in it. So I love it. I was one of my favorite conversations ever. It's going to be honest with you. I love today. And I know everybody else has.

I think you're a remarkable man. I really enjoy your company as well. You've got to, you have this thing that I just, I love about most of my good friends, which is that I think they have this nuance between real confidence and presence about themselves, but yet combined with a huge dose of humility at the same time. I think people that have a ton of confidence about that humility, sometimes it's off-putting and they're not curious enough to keep growing and learning because they think they know everything. And then our friends that have a ton of confidence in one of that humility. Sometimes it's off-putting, and they're not curious enough to keep growing and learning because they think they know everything. And then our friends that have this tremendous humility,

but they just never step forward with some confidence and build that hug the monster mentality in their life. Sometimes they're tough to be around too, but that combination is what you really, you knew once that so well. I sent you a good person. Thank you, thank you. You know, that really comes you a good person. Thank you. Thank you. You know, that really comes through in the conversation.

Thank you. And that doesn't come easily. It's like hard, hard one effort to get to a place where you're living your values the way it feels like you're living your values. I appreciate that brother. And that's mutual. Thank you. Last question.

I mean, I really appreciate that coming from you. So we've covered a lot. Sorry, I'm listening to you today, and I'm inspired. I've learned a whole bunch. And I'd like to step into being this hero that I'm capable of becoming in the small ways, in the big ways, or the loud ways, in the quiet ways. I think it's probably better because I don't want as bigger than the other or smaller than the other, but maybe it's louder and quieter, sometimes it's not dumb of the camera on in front of millions of people. Of anything we haven't covered today, and I met you, you're drinking, I think that's a Starbucks, but we, I met you at a Starbucks, I ran into you and I get a minute with you. I said,

hey, I heard you on the Ed Mylett show, I'm just really curious. Where do I begin? Of everything we've covered today, I just need it. I need to know where to begin. Would there be a thought or a tactic that you would share with me that we've not covered today so far? Anything. Begin. Begin. Begin.

You know, I hear that a like, like, where do I start? I would say there is huge power in beginning. There's huge power in starting. It's almost like the universe begins to support you when you take that first step. I would say believing you and no one else believes in you until the whole world believes in you. I think the reason why we even have the question of where do I begin? It's from fear. We're paralyzed. So it's start to believe yourself and start to read books and realize all the great heroes were

Anonymous for 25 or 30 years before the world celebrated them. I would also say Geniuses less about genetics more about your habits. So you know start with a philosophy of beginning and starting start to believe in yourself Understand that You're going to be laughed at you're going to be laughed at, you're going to be misunderstood. And every great hero is misunderstood at the beginning, but then install the right habits. And this is where the methodology does follow the philosophy. Yeah. Once you get the philosophy, which is just the truth, what do you want your life to stand for?

Mm-hmm. What's most important to you? What are your big five for the rest of your life? Mm-hmm. What are the key values and the rest of your life? What are the key values and beliefs you want to live by? Once you get the philosophy calibrated, and you don't follow the world's philosophy, you have the bravery and wisdom to trust what feels right to you.

Then start installing the habits that science have proven to work. For me, it's been the 5am club is very powerful. The five great hours hours rule the second wind workout which is basically if you believe exercises valuable why would you only do it once a day the micro bravery a great pre-sleep workout the weekly design system etc. And then finally I would say in my last two minutes in the Starbucks I say, make sure you make the time to enjoy the fruits of your labor. We live in a world that celebrates the doers and discourages the beers.

But John Lennon said, time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time. And Ed, I have spent a lot of my life getting to a place and I still have a lot of work left to do, but you know what now, I'm okay doing nothing. And the great irony is when you're doing nothing, that's when your greatest ideas are incubating. What's the point of living life if you don't get to have six hour meals with your family where you're laughing your faces off or where you have a conversation with someone on the street about life or you, you know, look at the way the moon beams fall over a cathedral. I mean, that's wealth versus money in the bank. Rather, I feel richer for the conversation today. What a beautiful conversation. By the way, what beautiful advice that you've given. I have to tell you, you guys got to get the everyday

manifesto, the everyday hero manifesto. You have to get the book. I, there's a lot in there and it is I read the whole thing in one setting, which was one of those five hour meditation sessions you're referring to, except I was reading. That's the other thing, by the way, everybody. I think the most blissful and successful people also read a lot. They're readers. I can tell, obviously you can tell that Robin is. Thank you for doing this today. Been a sheer joy. Really, man.

I've enjoyed it so much. So guys, go get the book, follow Robin everywhere. And you know what? If the show brought you value, where the fastest growing show on the planet right now, you guys all know this. We doubled again in the last 90 days. It's because you all share the show with people that you love that you care about, whose lives you want to be improved in any area.

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