THE ED MYLETT SHOW - Dave Asprey Reveals the New Frontier of Biohacking

Episode Date: May 13, 2025

What if living to 180 isn't about Hacks, but about Healing? In this conversation, I sit down with my friend Dave Asprey, the godfather of biohacking, to uncover what might be the most important conversation we've ever had on this show. And I don’t say that lightly. You know Dave for pushing the envelope on longevity, nutrition, and performance—but what we got into here, this is the stuff that actually sets you free. We talk about how every single one of us is born with the capacity for intuition—a gut knowing that transcends logic—and how most of us have let our ego, emotional baggage, and mental chatter completely drown it out. Dave breaks down the five F’s that drive human behavior: Fear, Food, Fertility, Friendship, and Forgiveness—and how forgiveness, more than anything else, gives you energy, peace, and power. “Forgiveness is simply becoming non-reactive to something that was still causing you pain,” Dave says. That line hit me hard. We also dig into the practical side—because if there’s no strategy, I’m not interested. Dave shares how to train your intuition like a muscle, what happens to your body when you forgive, and why practices like meditation, breathwork, and even brief, intentional exposure to pain (what he calls BICEP) can radically change how you show up in your life. This isn't woo-woo stuff—it’s actionable and measurable, and he’s got the brainwave data to back it up. Dave’s new book, Heavily Meditated, might be his most important one yet. Not because it’s flashy, but because it gives you the tools to clear the blocks—emotional, mental, even generational—that are stealing your energy and keeping you from your purpose. If you’re biohacking your body but ignoring your spirit, you’re leaving the most important gains on the table. Key Takeaways: Why forgiveness isn't a feeling—it's a performance enhancer How to recognize and build your intuitive muscle The biology behind “female intuition” (you’ll want to hear this) How meditation actually rewires your nervous system Why exposing yourself to pain builds motivation and emotional resilience What to do when your heart rate variability just won’t budge A surprising connection between altered states and intimacy Let me tell you something: it's not just about living longer—it's about living better. With more joy, more clarity, and more freedom. That’s what we’re after. Max out. 👉 SUBSCRIBE TO ED'S YOUTUBE CHANNEL NOW 👈   → → → CONNECT WITH ED MYLETT ON SOCIAL MEDIA: ← ← ←  ➡️ INSTAGRAM   ➡️FACEBOOK   ➡️ LINKEDIN   ➡️ X   ➡️ WEBSITE      Get my exclusive Monday Motivation training in GrowthDay, the world’s #1 app for advanced mindset and personal development. Visit https://growthday.com/ed. This show is sponsored by GrowthDay.    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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of biohacking and they actually call him the father of biohacking, but I just think he's one of the most interesting people we have on the show and you know to get back in the seat multiple times means I enjoy your time and I learn from you and every time I'm with this man I learn a bunch of stuff I didn't know before. In fact, he just gave me a little hack right now. This one's gonna be a little bit different though. He's got a new book out called heavily meditated eight steps to remove your triggers and upgrade your focus energy and inner peace. Doesn't really need an intro but I gave him one. Dave Asprey welcome back to

the show. Ed thanks for having me on again. You're you're an interesting guy. I enjoy our conversations every time. So do I. Why'd you write this? I never ask authors that. That's like the cheesy opening question but in your case you know you and I've been at a private meditation retreat with a guru dude and some other pretty famous people before. So I'm not completely shocked, but what made you do this? People know me for losing a hundred pounds, putting butter in coffee, creating the biohacking movement.

But a lot of people don't know why and how that came about. I, I was really sick, chronic fatigue. I was also really miserable in my early and mid twenties. I tried getting married briefly. I tried making $6 million when I was 26, lost it when I was 28. When I had it, I'm like, I'll be happy when I have 10. I tried being famous when I was 23. I was an entrepreneur magazine in my double extra large t-shirt, which was the

first product ever sold over the internet before e-commerce had a name. And none of those did anything to make me happy. And I was frankly miserable. Um, I was just graduating from Wharton business school. Uh, I did that when I was about 30, like I'm kind of hitting rock bottom here. I don't know what else to do. And I started doing all the stuff that I thought only stupid, crazy people would do. These are things like, um, traveling to South America to find shamans, uh, going

to remote parts of Tibet and doing, doing advanced meditation retreats. And I just decided I'm gonna try all the stuff that I think is dumb because the stuff that I think is smart isn't working. So along the way of like rewiring my body and rewiring my mind, I had to learn all the consciousness stuff. But when I started the biohacking movement,

it was very much because all the things I learned running a longevity nonprofit in my 20s, the people who taught me were in their 70s and 80s. So my elders taught me this and I could get no one young to pay attention to longevity. Like guys, the stuff that makes old people young makes young people powerful. Don't you get it? And they didn't. So I had to rebrand it and I'm gonna drop breadcrumbs.

Like guys, the idea for a Bulletproof coffee, now Danger Coffee is my new coffee company, but the idea came to me on the side of the holiest mountain in the world in a remote part of Western Tibet. So that might be a little clue. And for 10 years now, I have run a very high level, call it a executive brain training thing that also puts you in advanced spiritual states by removing triggers. So my path has been fix the body, upgrade the body, upgrade the mind, which upgrades the emotional capacity, resilience and spirit.

You can't separate them. But if I had come out in 2011 and said, put butter in your coffee, use red light therapy, do earthing, which I did say those were edgy enough. And I also said, by the way, learn how to meditate, leave your body and do altered states work. I think it might've been too much to become a movement. Did you have advanced intuition then? Stuff in this book surprised me.

This is the guy who's like, here's the peptide, here's the thing, here's this hack. And yet you talk about like big part of the books, like intuition over your ego, like, was that an intuition that you had back when you were in your mid twenties or do you, you really believe you can develop and tap into your intuition on a deeper level and that's everybody can do that? I am more convinced than anything on earth that all humans can do that. I am as convinced that we can do that

as I'm convinced you can lose weight when you wanna lose weight. It might be hard. You might have to change tactics. Everyone is wired because we are alive to have intuition. It is an innate human ability. It is trainable. And some people do have superpowers

that maybe is genetic or I don't know where it comes from. I can theorize, I can tell you that most of the lineages I've studied around the world will tell you there's some idea of a past life or something. Maybe that's it, maybe it's genetic, maybe it's because your mom was a witch doctor. I have no idea, I don't have to know why.

I just have to know, is there evidence that some people with trained nervous systems and trained minds will express these abilities? And intuition is one of them that's easy and is built in. And we've known about it. Even the most hardcore skeptics, if you think about it, they also have intuition. They just use their minds to shut it down. That's what I did.

I did not believe in intuition. How did I end up being the first guy to sell anything over the internet? How did I end up making $6 million and I was 26? Why did I take that job versus another? Cause it felt like the right thing to do. That's called intuition. It's not because I did a spreadsheet that told me what to do. And I learned how to be a venture capitalist. And the data shows very strongly, and there are actually studies about this, for the most successful investors, their gut says yes, and the spreadsheet says yes, they make the investment they're going to make money yes and the spreadsheet says yes, they make the investment

they're going to make money. If the spreadsheet says yes and the gut says no, they lose money. And if the gut says yes and the spreadsheet says no, they oftentimes make the most money because it's counterintuitive, but they follow their gut because they've trained their intuition and they know it. And it's not just pattern matching it's something deeper. Well everything this man does comes with a strategy that's why if you ask me how do you decide who's on the show if it's theoretical with no application hack or strategy I'm really not that interested in it it's just like a waste of my hour there's nothing like that with your work we could go through everything in the show you guys in an hour and a half and

because of Dave and the way he writes we'd be at like 4% of the book. So I'll ask him some pointed stuff. What is a strategy or a way that someone begins to tap into from scratch and develop their intuition, build that we'll call it a muscle. Probably the easiest way to tap into it from scratch is to, to. I'll define what intuition looks like. And then I'd love to, if we have time to talk about where and how it happens in your nervous system, because it makes it easy to understand.

But whenever something happens in the world around you, there would be a very, very fast and very, very small reaction from your intuitive systems. And we'll talk about where those come from later. Okay. And let's say about where those come from later. Okay. And let's say that someone walks in the door. Okay. And your intuition and just right away, before you have a chance to think about it, it goes, let's talk to that guy.

Right. And right after that will be a much larger emotional response that says, I shouldn't talk to that guy. There's no reason I should talk to that guy. Actually, the emotional response is I shouldn't talk to that guy. There's no reason I should talk to that guy. Actually, the emotional response is, I shouldn't talk to that guy because it might be scary. I might be rejected. Nobody will love me.

Whatever the hell your emotional stuff does, we don't have much control of that unless it's trained. And then the logical brain steps in and goes, well, there's no reason I should do it. So for most of us, that little tiny and first blip of intuition is swamped by an emotional squelch. It's like a firewall. Your emotions and your ego make you ignore your intuition.

And then your logical brain justifies the ignoring. So the first thing is, okay, that first thing that, that jumps in that you automatically ignore, that's the intuition. And if you're curious about it, instead of rejecting of it, you might find it's helpful. A pattern that's arisen for me so many times in my life. Someone will say I should read a book. Okay. I have a huge library at the house here. The cool thing about libraries is they can't be edited from sensors, but, and I've read a lot of books. So problem is if I don't have enough time to read everything people say I

should read, so then if three people independently tell, tell me I should read the same book, not that I see ads, but people tell me, dude, there's something in that book that I need to read. And at every time I do it, I thank God I read it. And so that's a thing that I just picked up on in many others when we talk about this, like, oh yeah, that actually happens to me too. I also buy books I'm not planning to read, um, because I know there's something in them and they sit around and then I just pick it up and I open it to a page and I read

those five pages in the next day. I needed to know exactly that. Whoa. That's intuition. I'm very surprised to hear you say this. I'm being honest with you. I'm very surprised to hear you say this. I'm being honest with you. I'm very surprised to hear this.

Keep going and link into it where it comes from. Okay. We're talking about, but I'm surprised. Well, we have to talk about my trap record. I mentioned I'm the first guy that has sold anything over the internet. It's not like there was a double-blinded, placebo-controlled marketing study

that said you'll make money selling over the internet. In fact, the common belief was you can't sell anything over the internet. And I'm the common belief was you can't sell anything over the internet. I'm like, I just did. Then while inventing biohacking, the first cloud computing that shipped on the planet, I beat Mark Andreessen by one day at a company called Exodus Communications. It's not that you can think your way into these,

you intuit your way into these. The idea that C8 MCT oil was better for performance, I intuited that and that made me do some more research and I wrote about it and five years later, a study was published by UC San Diego that showed it's the most ketogenic of all the MCTs. Heck, DNA was intuitive how we discovered it. My grandfather co-invented the process

for purifying plutonium that we can use in reactors. He did that in a dream. This is how humans do things. Steve Jobs talked about this kind of thing. It's not like it's unusual, it's just that we disrespect our capabilities here. Where this comes from is part of the operating system in the body and it's just that we disrespect our capabilities here. So where this comes from is part of the operating system in the body, and it's not coming from your mind. And it goes like this.

There's a third of a second between when I speak or when you hear a sound or there's a light that flashes and the body will hold onto that signal and show it to your brain the third of a second later. And during that one third of a second, it gets to decide how you're gonna feel about it. So there's a censorship window. Just like on live TV, there's an eight second window in case there's a wardrobe malfunction or an F-bomb

so they can edit that out. You have a delay on reality. And cats are so stupidly fast because they only have a 30 millisecond delay. They're 10 times faster than us before it gets to their brain and they react and it looks like they have superhuman. And by the way, you guys like Bruce Lee, he had a much faster response time on reality than normal people. And 19 year olds have a quarter second, not a third of a second. They're crazy good at sports because they literally can see reality before

everyone else. So now we know that there's a scientific window. It's called P 300 D for people under neuroscience. It will, what is happening during that window? The survival algorithm for everything living on the planet in order is to do these five things and it does them in order every time without any thinking required because a single cell will do this and our biology is based on single cell mitochondria. Ancient bacteria, trillions of them, they decide what to do long before you get to have any knowledge of what they did.

And the first thing that your body will do without your brain being involved is fear. Run away from kill or hide from scary things. And it does this so that if something's hot, you'll pull your hand away. And if it's a tiger, you'll jump out of the way. No one's ever going, oh, I think that's a tiger. Let me jump out of the way. Cause if you did that, you'd be food. Right? So fear is the first step for it. No one's ever going, oh, I think that's a tiger. Let me jump out of the way. Cause if you did that, you'd be food, right?

So fear is the first F word. And that's why negative marketing, negative news gets, I used to say 10 times, maybe the data is really nine times more attention than positive information because your body processes that first and it might be scary. So that's fear. Next one is food. Eat everything, right? Cause there might be scary. So that's fear. Next one is food.

Eat everything, right? Cause there might be a famine. And then the third thing is also an F word that life does to be around forever. You read the book. It's what we'll say fertility and polite company. Every cell in your body before you can think is, is it scary? Can I eat it? And should I hump it? Ed, what have you ever done that you're ashamed of that wasn't one of

those three things? That's a great point. That's a great point. Literally, your mitochondria are the cause of your shame. It's not you. It's a distributed consciousness processing reality before you acting like an animal because that's what it is. And there's nothing wrong with that, but it's trainable like any other animal. So fear, food, fertility.

And then the next thing is friend. Support your own species and life around you. We do this without having to think. This is why deer will eat, eat at certain grass and they'll poop somewhere that fertilizes the soil and they'll get eaten by tigers and all that kind of stuff. We fulfill our role without having to use our brains. And the final F word that's the real target of heavily meditated

why I wrote this book, it's the one that creates the most freedom and it's called forgiveness. And most life after it's served its purpose, if it can, it'll evolve. And for humans, the way we evolve is by going back and practicing forgiveness, which lets us stop putting energy into fear so it can flow into food. We learn how to eat. So the energy flows into having a powerful, sacred love life that actually becomes a source of nourishment for adults,

not a source of emptiness. And then what's left, I have to serve my community because my bones tell me to, it's in my body. And intuition is because just like your body knows when a tiger is gonna jump out, I just apparently have a fetish for tigers today, but if something scary is to jump out, right? Your body just knows and it just does it.

And why would the same thing not work for that effort around friend around serving your community about just knowing what to do. That is how it works. And if you study ancient Buddhism, you study shamanic practice, you study Gnostic 14th century, whatever, all of the lineages. You look at all of the Hindu things. You look at the bone religion, all these things. It's always there because it's part of being human.

And I've interviewed Montak Chia who's into Taoism. And I've interviewed heads of multiple different lineages like this. And I've trained with some of the top gurus in the world. And this is a common human thing. And if we would just honor our intuition, it'd be great. And one of the things in heavily meditated is I'm going to teach you how to get the emotional response that suppresses intuition, how to edit that out. But there's one other thing I think we should talk about Ed.

Do you believe in female intuition? Yeah, it's real. You want to know why? This is my favorite thing. So let's just assume that I'm right, that mitochondria are the first line receivers for reality, right? And that they're behind a lot of this stuff. Well, our brain has 15,000 mitochondria per cell

in our hearts, and the rest of us have less than that, the rest of the cells in our body. Except in women, ovarian tissue has 100,000 mitochondria per cell. So they have denser antenna arrays in their reproductive tract than men do. And male intuition's a thing. We sense different things,

but one of the easiest things to do to become more intuitive if you're a man is ask the woman you trust the most in your life who's intuitive, and she's gonna see things you won't. On average, you can develop, men and women develop our intuition. The practices are actually very similar, but understanding that as a guy, you can have great intuition.

And if you double check it with a woman, she might see things you don't. And that's just biological stuff. That's a difference between men and women. And it's one that I think we should honor. You know, the scriptures Bible talks about discernment, the gift of discernment. And a lot of times, a lot of church you go to most believers believe women have more of it. So, hey guys, I want to jump in here for a second and talk about change and growth. And you know, by the way, it's no secret how people get ahead in life or how they grow and also taking a look at the future. If you want to

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H-E-L-P dot com slash edshow. I've been wanting to ask you this for a while, for a few weeks, and you brought it up already. So we're talking about biology and, you know, cells for a second. So in my faith, there aren't past lives. Having said that, man, I've struggled with that topic because intuitively I have some belief that part of me, stay with me everybody who's a believer, has been here before. I watch a war movie and it makes me incredibly emotional, yet I've never served in war before. Just certain senses and situations in my life. So I've had this conversation with a lot of my, what I'd call most smart, high IQ friends and my people of different faiths. I've talked about this with Muslim friends of mine, I've talked about this with

Hindus, Christian friends, and one of the things that keeps coming up is that perhaps we have cellular memory of some type, meaning that it might not have been our past lives, of some type. Meaning that it might not have been our past lives, but that through cellular transition, these abilities of tap into intuition or memories have been passed to us from a cellular level. I just did a podcast on these alligators that for somehow, they live in South Florida, they've never been in the cold before, they know how when it froze recently to stick their snouts out of the water and basically meditate and breathe out of the water, yet they've never seen it, they've never modeled it,

they've never been taught it before, yet somehow on a cellular level, this was given to them. I just wanna know your thoughts about that topic. It's not in the book, but it's kinda correlated. There's evidence for DNA-based memory and generational trauma that's passed down through DNA. And people will argue, well, you know, what are the specific snips?

There's a lot we don't understand about DNA and it's probably not just passed down through society. It could be an information field or some kind of weird quantum effect that no one understands yet, but I think DNA is the most likely thing. Now, I've had a thousand plus entrepreneurs come through my five day neuroscience program

centered around forgiveness. People from all faiths, so very high performing people. And during that time, they're running the reset process from heavily meditated. Like I'm giving away my most precious process for making people free of triggers in the book. But what that's done is that's, let me talk to them.

Let's let me look at their brain waves as they're doing this advanced meditation practice. And what will happen is people will clear out all the triggers from what happened as an adult. And then they realize, oh my gosh, I didn't realize I was an entrepreneur because I was bullied in fifth grade and I'm just showing that I'm good enough. And let me get rid of that so I can be an entrepreneur for a greater good. And it's just easier to be pulled than it is to push. Right?

Stuff like that. And after people are done with cleaning out all the triggers and all the things that just get under your skin, there's three paths depending on the person where they'll go next. And it's this is based on intuition. But I've seen this enough time in a thousand plus people. And it's not like I'm the first person to see this. You could interview Stan Groff, who's a hundred years old, who will tell you the same thing.

He's a psychiatrist who gave LSD to 3000 people in the 1950s when it was legal and is behind the creation of holotropic breathwork. That's in the book. And I've actually done a breathwork conference that I co-hosted with him. And, you know, so I'm not the only one saying this, but here's the three things that people go to after they've gotten rid of their stuff that they're commonly aware of. Number one is

they'll go into the way they were born and what happened when they were in the womb. And my belief was you can't remember that, except you can. And there's plenty of evidence for it. And people, they run a forgiveness process or they reset that or they do a trauma thing and all of a sudden Especially people like me were born with a cord wrapped around their neck or put in an incubator or something It creates profound peace for them. Okay, I don't have to know why it sounds like okay Well, let's talk about how angry your mom was when she got pregnant with you and how uncomfortable she was and that did something to you It's not that strong of a reach and if that's not it then sometimes mom was when she got pregnant with you and how uncomfortable she was and that did something to you. It's not that strong of a reach.

And if that's not it, then sometimes, well, let's talk about what's been happening in your family for generations. And I was talking with a woman who's just stuck on something, something relationally, and she mentioned that she did a lot of energy work and healing and all that. And she's a powerful executive too. And I said, well, okay, you're from a culture where women don't get divorced and you've been divorced. Your mom was divorced.

Your grandmother was divorced in a culture where divorce is something that no one would ever do. So to be on the pariah that way, like have you ever thought about healing your grandmother, even though she's passed? And the second I said that, she started crying and that's a lineage problem. It's been stuck. I don't know if it's DNA, but probably.

And the third thing is I've had people say, I cannot tell you why. I don't believe in past lives, but now that I'm sitting down and I'm in these altered States from the practices here with no drugs or anything like that, I'm just feeling like I got to let go of something that's maybe not mine, that's maybe from some other life. I don't judge any of that. And frankly, if I believe that my past life was as a potato and I'm gonna go mash myself as a healing pot, I don't care.

As long as I am no longer triggered by something, I'll do anything on earth, but I've never had a past life as a potato and neither has anyone I know. And Ed, I have had direct interactions with God with a capital G and it's an incredibly powerful experience that's hard to talk about. So in my universe, people can experience all of those things and at the end of the day, it's I am that I am. It, depending on which specific form of Christian religion we're talking about, you know, I'm one with Jesus who is the son of God.

It's okay. R does that mean you are one with God? Well, I think that's what they're all saying, even though there's been wars over interpretation of the words there. So I don't want to start a war. I'm just going to say that if you're one with all this, there's no reason that it couldn't include memories of past lives, whether or not they were real. And for people who are maybe not committed to a certain faith,

the only logical belief that you can take, and I'm a computer science guy who used to be an atheist, is believe in past lives. The reason for it is it'll an atheist is believe in past lives. The reason for it is it'll make you less fearful in this life. If you're wrong, you'll be dead and you won't know, or you'll go to heaven or hell or whatever, right? No. But if, if you're right, it's a reset button and you get to play the game again.

So if you're playing Pac-Man and you know, at the end of Pac-Man, you're dead. It's going to be a really stressful game. And if you know, you could put another quarter in and play it again, it's going to be fun. So I'm going to pretend like I know that there's a past life, just sort of have to worry. The way that I kind of view the book is that there's, you're able to connect with God, your ability to connect with your intuition, but there's these blocks. There could be your triggers, there could be past trauma, there could be your day-to-day pattern, the patterns that you're running. And I, a lot of my work has to do with triggers as well. And one of them, one of the

frustrations I've had is, well what if some of these triggers you're not even ever gonna be aware of because they happen to your great-grandfather, for example, right? Like you're unpacking the triggers that you could be unpacking triggers all your life. So I want to ask you about that, but also the forgiveness question. I got to tell you as I travel more and more people know about the story that my dad was an alcoholic when I was growing up, so many people ask me, well you were really fortunate your dad got sober so you could forgive him and I want to be able to forgive my dad. I'm like it's they're a grown adult and the anchor on their life is the lack of forgiveness of another human, whether it be their mom or their dad,

their ex-wife, their ex-husband, whoever it might be. And their block, their trigger is this lack of forgiveness for somebody. I'd say it's the number one thing that comes at me in my work when I travel. What would you say is the role of forgiveness or compassion in this notion plugging in? Forgiveness is a performance enhancing drug, if you do it right. It sounds straightforward. Okay?

And here's why. I mentioned those F words. Your body will process fear and then hunger and then desire and then community. It does this in order every single time. Well, since fear takes up the most energy and it comes first, forgiveness means that there's a part of you that's still afraid and it sucks energy from you all of the time, 24 hours a day.

Every little thing in your life that you hold a grudge towards is a huge anchor you're dragging behind you and it looks like it's just part of reality. Reality is supposed to be hard because I'm carrying this grudge because my dad was mean to me, because I had a bad divorce, because whatever. And the reason that the executives come to 40 years of Zen and spend five days with my neuroscience team in pods with electrodes glued to their head and all this stuff is because they're going through and systematically running a forgiveness process

to turn off triggers permanently. And what you and I have learned, what we've all learned is the same thing that they'll teach you in a monastery. Well, notice the emotion flowing through you. Take a deep breath, set the emotion aside, decide how you're going to react. Dude, do you know how much work it is to have an angry thought about your ex-wife or somebody come through your head? Okay, I'm an adult. I can set that to the side, but it still costs me.

And what I'm doing is I'm saying I'm going to turn off the alert. And if you look in your phone and imagine if you turn the alerts on for every single thing, you're trying to use your phone and it's like blah, blah, blah, all the time. So you could say, meditate on ignoring the alerts at the top of the screen and just focus on the email. You can do it. It just sucks. Well, they teach you to run life that way.

I'm going to tell you, here's how to go into the system settings in your body. Here's how to turn off the alerts you don't want anymore. So the only get good data and that good data is going to look a lot like intuition and love and forgiveness. And forgiveness is the track to do it. What we think though, is that forgiveness is looking someone in the eye and saying, I forgive you. That is not what forgiveness is.

And then we think forgiveness is deciding to forgive forgive you. That is not what forgiveness is. And then we think forgiveness is deciding to forgive someone and that is not what forgiveness is. Forgiveness is a deeply embodied altered state that you go into that has very little to do with your mind. It has everything to do with attenuating your nervous system. So when I run someone through the reset process and it is written out and heavily meditated step by step,

there's eight steps in it. And it's a structured meditation. I like to do it with electrodes and help people but I want everyone to be able to do this and what you're doing is you're activating something in your heart and when I'm measuring your brain waves I can tell whether you did it right or not because brain waves change very predictably and they start to look more and more like advanced Zen meditators and what forgiveness is is you stop holding a grudge you see everyone as a flawed human and you wish them well no matter what they did bad to you you don't have to ever tell anyone you forgave them you don't ever have to talk to them again

and you don't have to say that what they did was okay. Forgiveness is simply becoming non-reactive to something that was still causing a pain. And ultimately, if you do that, you're free. And if you don't do that, you can be programmed. That person could get under your skin. Anyone else who acts like that person will get under your skin. So if you want to show up in the world for your community, for your family, for your business, for things you care about, for your mission, any trigger in your life that exists, your job is to write down what it is or when it happens and to

relentlessly track it down and turn off the alert so that you won't be triggered by that anymore. track it down and turn off the alert so that you won't be triggered by that anymore. And when that happens, maybe someone files a lawsuit that's not fair against your company, which happens to every entrepreneur these days. It doesn't matter what, right? You can lose sleep and be angry. Or you can just be like, how am I attorney is going to handle it? This is a cost of doing business.

I got to go to things. You get pulled over, you get a ticket. Oh my God. Or, you know, it would be a lot simpler if they just raised the gas tax by 20 cents, but they didn't do that. So now they're just extracting money on a random basis for motorists. Okay. I'm paying my driving tax today.

It's all good. You know, maybe I can tip the cop. It doesn't matter. Right. It's just, what did your nervous system do and how long did you waste energy on it? Speaking of that, let's talk about the cost of not. So let's assume I did everything I've

learned from you over the years. You know, I, uh, I'm getting rid of my zombie cells. I'm doing all the work that Asprey's been telling me all these years, right? But I don't do any of this internal work. So let's assume on a scale of 0 to 100, if I do all the hacks, I follow your work, I've got this particular peptide, this hydration, my zombie cells are gone, I got this oral health thing together, my gut health cleaned up, so I'm at 100. How much does not doing this knock me down? In other words, let's say you think you could live to 100 and you tell me how long you think you can live

and how much if you don't do this work will it cost you? Anyone who starts biohacking, you might come in for any reason, but eventually you're gonna say, I have enough energy, I wanna live a lot longer. So biohacking always means longevity. And now you're saying I have energy, I'm gonna live a lot longer. So biohacking always means longevity. And now you're saying I have energy. I'm going to live a lot longer.

Do I want to be miserable and programmed by other people, or do I want to be conscious and aware and in charge of myself? So biohacking is only at the end of the day, when you distill all the stuff out, it's just about having energy, having longevity and having power over your state, which is consciousness. You have to study it. Otherwise, if you're going to live to 180 and you spent the entire time angry at someone who was mean to you when you were 25 years old, what kind of a life is that? Who wants to live that long? You won't even have the desire to live that long because resentment builds up over time and forgiveness cancels out resentment.

So I look at meditation or doing forgiveness work. It's not about retreating. It's not even necessarily about letting go. It's an aggressive way to take control of your state. Like no one else on earth is in charge of my inner state other than me. I'm not going to let anyone who wronged me be in charge. I'm not going to let anyone who's trying to get to my little emotional holes, none of them can be in charge. I'm going to be in charge. So I know I'm going to take care of my family.

I'm going to take care of my community and you can't trick me. You can't fool me. My intuition guides me. So if you're saying all the right things, but I know something's wrong, I just know it. That's the state we all want to have. And it's possible. And you do that by training yourself to have less fear. And you do that through the reset process. That's in heavily meditated.

Is 180 the number for you, by the way? Is that what you really believe you live to? Yeah, it's the equilibrium of 180. And I wrote my big longevity book in our Times bestseller called Superhuman. And I went through the science in it. And a lot of the most recent longevity books are using the same framework as that book.

And it's like, look, don't die of the big four things that'll kill you. And there's seven or eight things that are systems that need maintaining. 180 is a simple number. Our current best is 120 Ed. I want to do 50% better than our current best. And I have a hundred years to do it.

I have AI, big data, PubMed, we can spell DNA. I have antibiotics and the 120 year old didn't have any of that stuff to live to 120. Like I'm pretty sure we can do it. Maybe a comet will hit the planet, you know, maybe they'll invent some new virus worse than the last one they invented, I don't know. But other than those kinds of things, pretty sure that I'm not even being aggressive on it.

I don't think that immortality is a thing. I don't think that never dying is a thing, but I do think that living as long as you choose is within our grasp right now, and that you better get on a consciousness bandwagon because if you decide to live for centuries and you're an angry, bitter person who doesn't know how to forgive,

there's a name for that. It's called hell. Living for hundreds of years being angry at everyone? Like how many cats would you have to own? You guys, I think that right there is one of the smartest things that's ever been said on the show. You know that?

A lot of you are doing all the work on extending your duration on the planet, but almost none of the work on your bliss and joy while you're here. And both worlds converging is really what Dave's you're really talking about here. And I actually kind of think I'm talking to myself too. Sometimes when I, when I'm talking with all of you guys, it makes me really, really think. The reason I like Dave's stuff too is like, there's this side of it, which is,

Hey, your eight step reset process, heart coherence and your brainwave states and measuring literally your healing. But then there's also like, do some hard stuff every single day too. So there's like both sides of this. There's like high functioning, high performance too. Tell them, give them, give them the hack, the bicep, what, what bicep means. This, because they can remember this this This is easy to remember. Yes All right bicep is not this and now this is very early as my guns with a caffeine or your molecule tattoo They're not like your guns, you know first out of your shirt there Ed

But I was really happy with them. So bicep is brief intentional conscious exposure to pain and is brief intentional conscious exposure to pain. And if you think about this, monks back in the 14th century would whip themselves every morning. And I was all pissed off when I was a teenager, I heard about this, like they thought they were such sinners, like what kind of weirdos were they? No, that's not what they were doing.

And then yogis would lay on a bed of nails and oh, that's to show they have superpowers, oh, that's why they're doing it. And then you look at some of the traditional indigenous things where, where there's the, the sun dancers where they're, they're piercing themselves and doing this, what, and then you look at more modern things like show me someone who's been an addict who doesn't have tattoos. It's so true. It's cause tattoos hurt and intentionally exposing yourself to pain, not harming yourself,

just pain. It re-regulates your nervous system so that it takes less dopamine to motivate you. So what do biohackers do? Well, we get in a cold plunge and the title of the chapter in Heavily Meditated is called Go Spank Yourself. There's a reason some people need a good spanking and it regulates their nervous system. And the title of the chapter in heavily meditated is called go spank yourself. There's a reason some people need a good spanking and it regulates their nervous system. I interviewed a somatic therapist who figured this out a long time ago for the book. Bottom line is something that doesn't harm you that gets your nervous system's attention.

It's called pain and just sitting with it. I used to make these spiky masks and made to go to sleep via this without knowing how it worked. You can buy a yoga spiky mat and stand on that. It just has to hurt a little bit. Eat a really hot pepper. And humans are drawn to these things, not because we're masochists, not because we hate ourselves,

because when your brain shows the body you can tolerate this and you're still safe, the body's like, oh, now you can be motivated to pray. You can be motivated to meditate, you can be motivated to eat the right foods, motivated to go to work with less energy. That's why brief intentional conscious exposure to pain is a really important biohack.

Because if you want to be motivated to meditate, then in the morning, turn the shower on cold. Do that brief, uncomfortable thing. It doesn't have to be an hour long, miserable grind workout. That's not what I'm talking about. But do you think you have to switch it up? Here's what I found.

I think that you adapt. And so that really difficult thing, like a cold plunge, for example, for me, six months later, and there's even studies that show this, my body began to adapt. It just really wasn't as difficult for me anymore. So do you mix, do you recommend switching the stimulus once it's not so difficult for you anymore?

There's no studies that I found about this in particular. There's lots of studies showing about the dopamine effect here. I think the dopamine effect still happens when you get in. And if you want to get this effect, a 37 degree cold plunge, that is a dopamine cold plunge and a 43 degree is a metabolic cold plunge. It's still uncomfortable, you still get some of the bicep but we can make it really suck. And if it's still a problem for you,

suck on a habanero and get in there, you'll be fine. You guys may think this is one of these clips that I know someone will take and give Dave a little bit of crap for and I'm gonna tell you something he's actually right I'm gonna tell you right now he's right doing a difficult thing every single day it resets me. Today's show is sponsored by strawberry.me so you know this I'm a big believer in coaching especially when it's from a reliable source and I think most people should have some interaction with somebody who's helping them get better in their life. So,

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pattern thinker, thought stacker. You know, I can, I can thought stack with the best of them. And, um, let me tell you what's happened for me. And then I want you to speak to it over time. I found this is a strange term to use, but I was going to be candid with y'all. I got higher than I used to get on life, meaning physical intimacy started to feel like it felt when I was 25, not 45.

My laughter, like how hard I laughed when something was funny, was greater and bigger. I noticed little anecdotal things that over time I'm like, I think I'm getting way more dopamine now or I'm feeling more of it anyway. Is that accurate at what I'm suggesting here? If you become somebody who meditates on a regular basis and does this clearing, do you agree with that? You'll feel more dopamine and the power of your brain waves increases

when you meditate or when you do the neurofeedback stuff that I walk people through. When I say power, your mind is making waves, they're electricity waves. And we can measure, well, how frequent are the waves rolling in? And that's a frequency people have heard of alpha or delta or something like that, theta states.

So this is how often are the waves. But what if you had a hundred foot tall wave rolling in every 10 seconds, instead of a foot tall wave rolling in every 10 seconds instead of a one foot wave rolling in every 10 seconds? So you've increased the power and when you meditate or you do the reset process, you're increasing the orderliness of it. And it kind of, it kind of bums me out because

people are saying, Oh, I got into an alpha state. Look at me. And alpha is a well-known brain state. Well, if you want to get an alpha state, look at me. Alpha is a well-known brain state. Well, if you want to get an alpha state, you want to triple your alpha, close your eyes and look towards the middle of your forehead, and most people will triple their alpha. It doesn't mean anything.

It's like saying, look, I made a sound using the C note. Well, was it a beautiful sound? Did you sing a song? It was it, was it great? So your mind is becoming more beautiful mathematically when you learn how to meditate. And what it feels like to you is it feels like joy. It feels like presence. It feels like consciousness.

And then every time an old trigger comes in, a grudge pops up, it takes you out of that. It breaks the music. It reduces the height of the waves and it gets you out of that, it breaks the music, it reduces the height of the waves and it gets you stuck in. And since you're doing practices that make your dopamine, your receptors more sensitive to the dopamine your body makes, now you've got more motivation, you've got more vibe and your mind knows to take that and turn it into something that's worth listening

to. And this is why a longevity practice without a consciousness practices is almost a painful thing. And it's why if people come to the biohacking conference in Austin, May 28th, this will be our 13th year, Joe Dispenza is on stage. One of my shamanic teachers is on stage. Ryan Holliday is on stage, and leaders in longevity. Because you can't do longevity without them. It's an eclectic group right there, all good friends too.

That's awesome, including you. That's awesome, I need to get to that. I wanna talk about parasympathetic sympathetic states, not in any of my notes, just wanted to come up with it. I want you to talk about that a little bit, your feelings about it, and do you do anything other than meditation to stimulate a parasympathetic state? Like, do you use any of these devices?

I'm thinking of the thing you put, uh, you know what I'm talking about, the thing you put on your vagal. Yeah. Do you do any of that? Do you believe in any of that? Uh, I absolutely do. And in fact, heavily meditated is a book about

here's all the things that either replace meditation or make meditation work better faster. Because what we used to do is just sit in a monastery or a cave for 20 or so years and you'll get it. But then you kind of had stuff to do and we're all too busy for that. We have families and careers and reasons for being. So there's actually a chapter where I talk about vagal stimulation in the book. There's parts where I talk about training

the spacing of your heartbeat. A lot of listeners see their morning readiness score on whatever sleep tracker you have. That's based on the spacing of your heartbeats. You can train that consciously. And I actually became an advisor to the first company to make a device to do that in 2008. So before I go on stage, before I go on a podcast,

I modulate the field around my heart. Now you can say, Dave, that's a bunch of BS. Guys, it's a magnetic field. You can pick it up with physics instruments. It's shaped like a torus. It's tilted eight degrees to the left and all humans make it. Some of us have a bigger one than others. So I structure mine so it's the way it should be,

so that I am the way I should be. And this is all within our conscious abilities and it just so happens to do that, you have to drop out of sympathetic. So one of the easiest ways to drop out of the fight or flight or fawn or freeze response is just breathing. And I go through about eight different styles of breathwork in the book, some of which are for doing that and others aren't.

So meditation itself even, there are many altered states we might want to go into. And some of them are for the reset process for deep healing. Some of them are for journeying and intuiting and dreaming. Some of them are to calm the nervous system. The most famous one to drop you into a parasympathetic state if you're feeling anxious or wound up is a box breath. And the military figured this out.

Breathe in for four seconds, hold for four seconds. Breathe out for four seconds, hold empty for four seconds. Do it five or 10 times. It turns out, that's great. You can step it up one, if your out breath is twice as long as your in breath. So breathe in for four, breathe out for eight. That'll drop you in more quickly than a box breath.

Try that before bed. There's another breath called an Ujjayi breath that comes from yoga. And if you breathe in through your nose, almost like you're going to snore, you should run the edge of a snore and it should sound like a seashell in your ears. It's like, you're right on the edge. When you're pulling up the back of your palate, right on the edges,

feeling like you're going to go, now like you're snoring. So when you do that, man, that will drop you an even faster. So why would you meditate without knowing the type of breath that matches the meditation you're doing? It means you're wasting time. And there's one other thing, Ed, that I think is really important to note. A lot of people, especially entrepreneurs, high-performance people like you and me,

there's some shame around meditation. Number one, I should want to meditate and I don't want to meditate, something must be wrong with me. Nothing's wrong with you. Your mind is designed to not waste energy and your mind thinks that meditation is a waste of energy. It's gonna make meditation look unattractive,

just like going to the gym is unattractive. So don't worry about whether you feel motivated to meditate. The other thing is, until about 75, 80 years ago, 98% of the population was involved in agriculture and spin that way for thousands of years. Well, the other 2% of people, they're not farmers. They're warriors. And if there's a fire or an explosion,

they run towards it and the farmers run away from it. Right. Which one of those are you? I'm the kind of guy that's like, well, people probably need help. I'm just going to go there. Right. And that means that if I try to do a meditation that's designed for farmers, it's just going to be like Valium.

It's not going to be pleasant. It's not gonna be pleasant. It's not gonna be a high performance state. And I've had this, some of the devices out there, I have friends who love them. Like, God, I can't do that. It ruins my day. Right? So I write about, and heavily meditated,

I write about zazen, which is a type of Japanese samurai meditation. It takes two to five minutes and you sit in a very specific pose and your eyes are open and you're focusing on like a coin or a speck on the carpet in front of you for two minutes with all of your attention. Okay. That's a warrior meditation. So if a meditation doesn't work for you, maybe it's because you suck at meditating and you

need a teacher or you need neurofeedback. But once you get the state and you're like, this state sucks, there's a possibility it's just the wrong state for your mind. All right, and that's why looking at a thousand people's brain waves, these high performance people, they don't all have the same brains, not at all. Right, so it's okay if this isn't,

if it doesn't feel right for you after you've learned it, switch it up and always use an accelerator. So in the in the book, I'm like, well, do the bicep thing. There's a chapter on psychedelics, and it says straight up the altered states of high performance and all high performance is an altered state. All healing is an altered state, all flow states, all stuff you're doing in the bedroom, it's all altered states for different outcomes. You don't need psychedelics to do it, and some people are attracted to them.

So in the chapter, I'm like, here's what they're doing to your brain, here's the safest ones, and here's the ones that have higher risk. And if you want to go down that path, please don't be the kind of influencer who says, I've done ayahuasca 87 times,, maybe it'll work on the 88th time. Uh, and I've seen it wreck people.

So I think ayahuasca is actually, uh, uh, a dangerous substance without proper shamanic intervention, so that's very low on the list of things to do. We're like, if you're going to do it, find the right shaman. It's not the same as doing MDMA with a therapist, which is relatively safe. And I'm not recommending anyone do those things. I'm saying those are a path. The others state that no one talks about 20% of people report meeting God during sex at least once in their life, full on transcendent experience, but their

partner, unless you have an open communication, they're just laying there twitching. You can't tell, but they're having profound experiences. So why isn't intimacy in a way that's not about just getting, getting some or porn or Western or any of that. That is an altered state. The tantric practices, even some go conscious kink, the Daoist practices. These are equally worthy ways to enter states of healing or flow states or transcendence

as psychedelics or rapid breath work or fasting in a cave. I don't care how you get there. I care that you do something that works for you that's safe. It gets you to a state where you are more conscious, not just then, but permanently afterwards, like transformative experiences. The world needs these to just let go of the garbage we pick up from being human. You hit two things I wanted to ask you about, but you hit them. So I'll finish with another question. The two things I was going to ask Dave about that isn't talked enough about in these altered states, one is sex and deep intimacy with another

person or yourself during that process. And it is one of these states that it's the most under discussed part of sex that should be something that is more mainstream in talking about getting into these altered states. And I'm glad that we at least touched on the other one was psychedelics. And just so that you all know I'm an investor in a couple different companies that promote psychedelics but at the same time I've had those I've had friends that I've had PTSD particularly some of my military buddies, transformative experiences. I've also had people have really bad trips and really bad experiences and so I would just second what Dave said anything you're

gonna do like that it needs to be with somebody that's very experienced if you're gonna go up to that level you know and by the way more people have had experiences with Some of these substances than you might think that have been on my show what I want to ask you last about by the way It's another great conversation. I mean every time you're on I just enjoy it. It flies by we're already over what I told you We were gonna do you I've done a lot of work on this stuff, as you know. We've even been in the same place working on this together at one time. Samsung Vision AI televisions transform screens into intelligent solutions from the shows that make us laugh to those that make us cry.

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my HRV has not moved at all is there any do you believe that's an important metric number one and if you do anything you would share with me or the audience that you think can help raise it or improve it. Heart rate variability measures how different is the spacing between each heartbeat and it's much more important than your heart rate. So you can have 60 beats per minute and if they're all in the first 30 seconds and no heart beats in the second 30 seconds it's still 60 beats a minute but you'd probably be dead or dying. So it turns out how they're spaced out determines a huge amount about the state of your nervous system. If your heart rate variability is low, it means your heartbeat is very, very even, which is a sign of a stressed animal. And the number

one way to increase heart rate variability is have dinner earlier, make sure that it is dark in the evening for sometimes an hour or two before bed. I raised mine very meaningfully with the True Dark Glass. This is one of my companies. I look like Cyclops right now. I wear these glasses, my heart rate variability goes up sometimes 10, 20 points if I wear these for an hour before bed. It's called True Dark. It's truedark.com. And these are glasses I designed even filed patents on them about 10 years ago. When you see people wearing red glasses, they're copying these,

but these are layered filters and we're the only company ever to publish in a medical journal the effects on brain waves of the true dark glasses and they actually work. So I would look at doing that, look at lowering the temperature of your room and earlier bedtime, earlier dinner can have profound effects and darkness will do it. And then if it's still happening and just nothing will shift it and you've, you've done your nutrient testing and all, then you look for what's going on under any fillings or

root canals. So chronic infections are a major cause when it won't go up and I don't think you have breast implants. That's another cause sometimes. I had something I wanted to say about that really, but I won't cause just someone close to me would not like it anyway.

I'm going to work on that and everybody, you ought to get your HRV measured. It'll, it'll tell you an awful lot about what state you're in. It'll tell you an awful lot about what state you're in It'll tell you an awful lot about how long you're gonna be here if you don't get it improved You also this is gonna sound really annoying for you. Probably Ed One of my company's upgrade labs. It's a franchise that does AI longevity biohacking stuff I've got 30 locations opening president of the company is the former COO of orange theory and equinox triathlete.

And I challenged him to do 30 days of measuring his morning heart rate variability instead of his time on training a mile, which is really hard for him. He's been just training his ass off all this time, complete life transforming thing, because he realized over-training was keeping his heart rate variability low. Yeah, that could be a deal for me. That could be a deal for me, like 35 years worth of over-training. Dude, every time Dave's on, the time flies, and he's so entertaining.

And this book is interesting to me because it's the other side of living a long time, is living well, living in bliss, living in peace. And by the way, getting into these states will help you become 10 times more productive, or at least nine times more productive, than you currently are. So if you think going this direction is somehow going

to slow down your productivity, it'll do the complete opposite. And you'll have more energy and more bliss and more staying power for a longer duration if you do this internal work as well. So the book is heavily meditated. The author is Dave Asprey and you ought to get your hands on it. And this was a great conversation today, brother.

Thank you. Ed, so much fun. Thanks for having me on. And guys, heavily med fun, thanks for having me on and guys, heavily meditated will pay for itself 10,000 times over if you do two things in there because of the amount of free energy it gives you every day. Like this is my most important book, I just couldn't have written it first because no one would have believed it. Well hopefully they believe it now and after this hour they

got a desire to go get it. Most of them probably grabbed it when we were halfway through. Thanks Dave again, it was great to be with you brother. Thanks Ed. God bless you everyone. This is the Ed Myland Show.