THE ED MYLETT SHOW - Destroy Negative Thoughts W/ Trevor Moawad

Episode Date: May 12, 2020

Train Your BRAIN for SUCCESS! Fact: Your negative talk is 40x - 50x more POWERFUL than your positive thoughts!  That means the path to success begins in your own mind and the level of our success is dictated by the thought you have and how you interpret these thoughts!  I could think of no one better to teach you how to increase your effectiveness and unlock your full potential than my good friend and leader in the peak performance space, Trevor Moawad!  Trevor has worked with some of the BIGGEST names including the Seattle Seahawks, Russel Wilson, and the U.S. Special Operations Forces!  Named by Sports Illustrated as the “Sports World’s Best Brain Trainer,” this world-renowned mental conditioning expert is HERE to help you take control over your MIND and your LIFE!  Some of the MOST IMPORTANT life lessons are dropped in this interview! You’ll learn how to position yourself with the top 3-5% of the population in EVERY area of life, starting with how you can DESTROY your negative thoughts and begin NEUTRAL THINKING. I dive deep into the inner-workings of your mind and reveal how you can use the power of, “thought stacking” to your benefit instead of your detriment!  What does Russel Wilson, Mike Trout, and Nick Saban all have in common besides working Trevor?  There has to be something different about these TOP and ELITE performers that allows them to perform at such high levels…  This interview reveals their secrets AND so much more! Hear me when I say this: Who you become is an accumulation of the way you SHOW UP in the world! Do you keep the promises you make to yourself and stack up your accomplishments or are you letting negative thoughts stack up and steal your future? Your possibilities? Your wins? These tools we are teaching you in this interview will NOT take you years and years to learn, these are strategies you can implement RIGHT NOW to start seeing the results you’ve been dreaming of your entire life! 

This is the Edmila Show. All right, everybody. Hey, welcome back to Max out. Today's a show that I've personally been looking forward to for a long time. And the reason is, is this entire show you're going to be taking mental notes if you're driving, if you're on a treadmill, you're going to want to go back and listen to it again. If it's on YouTube, you'll be writing. This is heavy duty note taking and the reason is this man's approach is simple to peak

performance, but it's different than what you've heard before and it's an approach I believe in. I practiced it myself and let me tell you about this guy just for a second. This guy is one of the top performance coaches in the world. Worked with 11 plus first round draft picks in NFL, 700 plus athletes, eight national championship teams. Came on my radar because some of the work and speaking I've done, Coach Nick Sabin's a big fan of his.

He's worked with his program, Russell Wilson, one of the top quarterbacks in the NFL, multiple different sports teams. You have C teams, the elite fighters in the military. One of the coolest things I saw was sports illustrated in the sports world's best brain trainer. And so I've got access to one of the best in the world here today, and this is heavy content, guys. So Trevor Moai, welcome to Max Out, brother.

Hey, you know what? I don't know that I can max out much physically right now, Ed, but psychologically, I'm ready to rock and roll. So thank you so much for allowing me to be on the Ed Malat Show. Great to have you, man. And during these times, guys, we are shooting this during the COVID-19 sort of crisis during the pandemic, when you hear this maybe later than that for some of you,

but nonetheless, these principles sort of transcend the time and space that we're in, but they're uniquely valuable right now. So I like your approach because the space of personal development, I know you've worked mainly with athletes, but now you're working in the business space as well. You hear about this positive thinking,

positive thinking, it's been something that I've never really preached myself, not because I don't think there's a value to thinking positively. I just haven't always felt like it's applicable for most people at the time you find them in. And that's one of the things about your message that I love. So talk for a second about first off, maybe a little bit of your dad might be kind of interesting for me, a positive thinking energy or life. And then would you believe a little bit more about dad might be kind of interesting for me. Yeah. A positive thinking energy or life. And then what you believe a little bit more about neutral thinking if you start there. Yes.

So I mean, look, I think, you know, anybody that understands any type of business in order to develop relationships with clients, you've got to create your value proposition. And I don't care what you do. And I was a school teacher, you know, you know, to create your value proposition. And I don't care what you do. And I was a school teacher. You know, obviously, if you're running a world financial company, if you're no matter what you're doing. So how I would ultimately evolve the education and teaching, doesn't mean that core principles that have been around since, you know, Tacitus and Aristotle and, you know, obviously Abraham Lincoln

and Norman Vincent Peale and Maxwell Maltz. I mean, obviously those have standard the test of time. So, so much of what we'll get to came out of an adaptation to a very unique population that would never listen to a podcast, will never seek self-help, is not going to GaryVee, is not, I mean, it's just, you know, they're not doing that. So, but how I was raised, you know, in the mid-70s, I was born, my dad, my dad, Bob Mo, I was a high school teacher in coach in a Washington state So ultimately my whole life I was raised by you know peak performance educator

motivational architect things but really well developed systems for the business world So it was you know every night at dinner. I got a seminar related to the core principles in and around peak performance. And but one of the things that you talk a lot about and I know you're as a big positive thinking person, I think even you would categorize you and I both we respect positive thinking, we know there's a power to it, but what I didn't know is this sort of data you've gathered on the actual power of negative thinking and the impact negative thoughts have on us and then even worse is maybe speaking them out loud. I can wait for people to hear what you're about to tell them

about that. Listen close everybody. You know the first time I was diagnosed with cancer, the whole principles and everything that I was that I was taught and I was learning became a lot more real to me. It wasn't some anecdotal field in my mind. Now my mind was an asset. I'd been a two sport college athlete at Oxygen on other things. As I would get into my 19, 2021, I learned to use my mind as an asset and a lot of the core principles I was taught. A lot of the sports psychology principles, a lot of the core principles I was taught. But a lot of the sports psychology principles,

a lot of the principles that I had been raised with, you know, that was, my dad's process was increasing human effectiveness, unlocking your potential and committed to quality. And I was teaching a lot of those concepts in the sports world. And I had, you know, a IMG Academy is famous for the Nick Ballotary Tennis Academy,

a thousand high school athletes, $70,000 a year, many of the best athletes, Tiger Serena, Jeter, top prospects. Well, I'm like 24, 25, and by the time I'm 26, just because I'm there and there's only a handful of us, you know, I'm working with the best players in the country and then I'm, you know, working with the Jacksonville Jaguars. I had to ultimately come with a message that was gonna make sense. In sports, we estimate that the mindset's probably

three to five percent. Because physiologically, there's no bullsitting the truth. You have to be big, you have to be fast, you have to be strong, you have to be explosive, you have to have hands. But your mind is like a steering wheel. In a steering wheel, it might be a small part of a car, but it gets you where you need to go.

And so, you know, we started to realize that the positive thinking message was at working and we also needed more time. So I told Coach Saban after our first season, like we can't like intermittently teach this. We've got four or five of the best people in the world from Wall Street, a clinical psychologist myself on the self-esteem side, but like that's built an architecture in the summer where we give them an alphabet and then we can build off the

language. And the one of the big things we taught them was that negative thinking works and we gave them a lot of the data from 18% of your creativity, your increase in errors, you know, can go up by over 30%. Your, it's a multiple four to seven times more powerful than its equivalent positivity. And then we had all sorts of not anecdotal data, but we had from the male connect to the Cleveland clinic, 83% of illnesses are facilitated, exacerbated, or started from negative thinking. And then what we started to learn was if we say things out loud, they're 10 times more powerful than if we think it.

And if they're negative, they're a multiple of four to seven. So if a multiple, so if I'm saying negative things out loud, I don't want to be here. I hate the heat. What's going on in our world right now? What's the circumstance? What's the situation? Then I'm increasing the probability that what I don't want to have happened will happen by 40 to 70 times. The last point is the consumption of negativity. The consumption of negativity three minutes of news is an increase in 27% that will say we had a terrible day. So like if you're diagnosed with a sickness, the thoughts, they're inevitably there, right?

But how you talk about it is always going to be in your control. And if you don't feel optimistic, then saying nothing is gonna at least give your brain the best functionality to navigate forward as opposed to the panic that you create, by looking at the internet, by whatever, all those things. So, let's stay there for a minute. I want everyone to get this.

This is one of the most important things ever set on my show because it's simple. And with something simple, complexities the enemy of execution everybody. So when you're trying to change your life, you're like, down on my luck, I have these negative thoughts, my self-esteem's low,

but you're gonna go all the way to walking meditations as the first thing you're going to do. That leap is too far. And let's just be clear about what you're saying. Because we both work a lot with athletes. Athletes are such a great training ground for what how business works. I want you to already said a couple things. I want to rehearse. It's only three to five percent of the separator. You got to be physical and business. You still got to be skilled. You still got

have a great product. You still got to have a great business plan. But this three to five percent is the separator. And it's as basic to get to a decent level. Yes. It's as basic guys to get to a decent level as the thought of something negative is four to seven times more powerful than the positive thought. But once you express it verbally, you're going to 40 to 70 times the problem.

Stay with me on this everybody. One of the things that surprised me because I wasn't athlete, just like you, similar type of athlete, good, but not great. Yep. At college athlete, that I am surprised how many people, I mean, because I don't do it, I just didn't do it.

They speak negatives out loud. It's just not something I've done in my life. It doesn't mean I'm better or worse than you, but my life started out, I started to be pretty successful. I'm convinced because I was in this very small group of people I don't think a lot of negative thoughts but I very rarely say them out loud and that magnifier not having it in my life has created a great deal

of success just that baseline. So the first part of the program guys we're going to give you some examples next then we're going to give you a different way to think but so far you ought to be going I have to stop saying negative things out loud and then to my consumption news negative people right these things I have to keep them out of my proximity these are the baselines to be successful and if you're wondering that's what you do with the lead athletes athletes are the last people who buy into positive thinking stuff, just so you know, because they deal with too much failure. So they know, you're old for 20, right? And you've caved 11 times.

Your inclination is not to be thinking positive, and they don't want to hear that from anybody around them, okay? So how do they turn it around? And I got to go to a baseball story with them, I wanna give you two or three examples because they're unbelievable. I'm gonna say this to you, I'm gonna tell you that I'm a Red Sox fan first.

Okay. And 1986, I've cried like three times in my life, everybody. And one of the times I cried, I was in my own bedroom alone watching the World Series, watching my Red Sox who had not won a World Series Championship in a bazillion years. We're in the ninth inning, we've got to lead Bob Stan Lee's on the mound and our first baseman's a guy named Bill Buckner. The game's over. The game's so over everybody that the champagne is already in the Red Sox

locker room. There are Met met players in their locker room, taking their uniforms off to get ready to leave. They're not even in their uniforms anymore, some of them. And a guy named Bill Buckner boots a ground ball between his legs, bless his heart, great player, like 10-time all-star. Yeah, 8-10 gold lover. Good gold lover.

One of the best defensive players in the game in his position, borderline Hall of Fame, or like 2800 hits or something like that I think Buckner had. It's the cap on his career. He's our first baseman of guys. He lets a slow ground ball go through his legs and we ultimately end up losing that game and then losing the World Series. It's probably, bless us hard because he just passed away, but it's probably the biggest

error in the history of a championship game ever made. And I cannot believe what you're going to tell them about what you've discovered about Bill Buckner prior to this. So listen to this everybody. Yeah, so, so what that's a great intro, Ed. And obviously you have the baseball background. But I was watching an E60 story and this was probably six years ago and Jeremy's shop was doing the story and they were going back through the 86 World Series. And all of a sudden they show an interview

from Buckner from a local Boston station was recorded but it somehow had hidden for nine years. And then it re-emerged when ESPN found it and showed in 2012, 2013, but Buckner says, you know, the dream would be to win the World Series, but my real nightmare would be to let the game-winning run score on a ground ball through my legs to cost us the World Series. And I'm watching this, and I'm like, no, like,

and Jeremy Chapman wasn't thinking much about it, he was saying prophetic, but he didn't do what we do, Ed. So you hear it, I'm a big believer in the power of language. And ultimately we track down, track down the clip. And then Mukhi Wilson hits the ball, everything that you said. And this is what we know. Saying it didn't make it happen,

but it increased the probability by 40 to 70 times. That what happened? Okay, so do you call that what Buckner did? Everybody, I want you to just get this. This man spoke in the ground ball prior to it happening into existence, I have to believe that when pressure hits, we sort of re-recoil to what you call like a subconscious plant, correct?

Yes, yes. I think he's not conscious of thinking. I'm gonna break this ground ball, but I think that that subconscious plant existed is what is a subconscious plant? What does that mean when you say that? Yeah, so a subconscious plant is, you know, we have the conscious mind, you know, which is right now, and then we have the subconscious mind, which is operating in our

self-talk, you know, at hundreds of words a minute, you know, and it goes, you know, to our memory. And so it's one of those things that if we've said something, you know, a handful of times or over and over again, we've created part of an identity, right? And you know, an identity is obviously when the neuron sort of fire and wire together. And I know you've had Joe just spends on your show who can explain it much more eloquently, but way beyond my IQ. But that identity is formed like, I don't want this to happen.

And then as that moment comes, your identity is sort of like, well, this would be good, this would be bad. And so, you know, in his mind, he's probably remembering, I could win it, but I could also lose it right now. And the negativity is so much more powerful than the positive memory that it drives that. The good news everybody, what you're getting at it today, show, there's only steps of what to do. So far, the first half of the show is just eliminating a behavior.

Right. You can get this in a little bit on it. Now we're going to talk a little bit about neutral thinking. And by the way, and after we talk about this, we want to talk about your book after this topic comes up. Here. I want to illustrate it with a story. Start with the story and then because the behavior is what really drives things.

Will you tell them this SAT story for a minute with the guy with the 1400? Because I think facts tell stories so. So of all your contact when I've devoured it, some of the stories are what make points for me, right? And so please share this story and then make the point that you would make with it for them. It's brilliant. Yeah, I think for me, just even as a high school teacher, I cut my teeth in LA Unified School District and then being raised by my dad, like my dad had thousands of articles of these anecdotal stories. And even to wrap up the negative one, he had a great story about a guy that boxed himself on accident and refrigerated boxcar, starts panicking,

because he can't get the attention of anybody else in the box car So it's writing down what's going through his mind like I mean this box car. I'm gonna freeze to you know Half asleep now I can hardly write and then the guy writes these may be my last words is from success and limited in magazine in 73 They open up the box car many hours later. They find the guy and he's dead But then they checked the freezing rap rat us it was 56 degrees oh my god they found out that the freezing apparatus was broken there was no there was no physical reason for his death all they could say as they tried to diagnose it was somehow he talked himself into dying this is not a gimmick now it may have taken cancer

for me to appreciate it but I hope it doesn't take people that, and I'm so embarrassed it took that for me, because my dad, like the coach he was, the teacher he was, the motivator was, the millions of people that he inspired, and I love my dad and we were close. I just was like, now, I'm by this. But the S18 80s was scored out of two parts,

a math part and a verbal part, both scored out 800 points. Well, people who are not successful, people who are not achieving, people who are about to get kicked out of school, people who are, you know, substance abuse are typically not expected to do well. Doesn't mean they can't, but they're not expected to do well. But he promises mommy to take it, so he takes it in May,

and then he gets to score back in June, and he scores a 1480 out of 1600 As my dad shares a story so You know so like obviously for people that want a much bigger IQ than I have and you've been pissed off that you haven't got big word Judd in this podcast It would be called cognitive dissonance right where like what you believe to be true versus what happen are different. Right.

So my text Trevor, I got a I got a 870 on my SATs and you got a 10 10 I think, right? So I got a 10 10. Yeah. So this is blown up the score. It's almost right. Right. Right. Exactly.

Exactly. So, so you know, as ultimately he, you know, so he's confounded his mother confronted him with what any mom would do. She said like, did you cheat, right? She knows her son. He said he tried to cheat, but the seats were the scantrons were, you know, the way the seats were, the number two pencil. So, you know, Dean took the test. So, going back into a senior year, he says, man, if I'm smart, I might as well go to class. So, he makes if I'm smart, I might as well go to class. So, he makes a decision based on that score that he'll go to class. Well, that decision because he starts going to class, he doesn't hang out with people he used to when he didn't go to class.

Well, now, teachers see him and they start to treat him differently and maybe they miss the vote on him. He's in class, he's learning more. Graduates go to a community college, go to a four year and then goes under the Ivy League, it's an MBA. Well, ultimately changes his life, comes just incredible magazine entrepreneur. Graduates, goes to a community college, goes to a four year, and then goes under the Ivy League, it's an MBA. Well, ultimately, changes his life, comes this incredible magazine entrepreneur. So I'm young, I hear the story, and my dad was telling me all sorts of story.

Man, growing up, I'd be listening to Zigg Ziggler and Brian Tracy, and every great speaker you could imagine. So I'm hearing the story, and he said, he said that the guy says, no, that's not the story. So 12 years after all this guy's success, he gets a letter in the mail from Princeton, New Jersey. I don't think anything about it. So it turns out the next day is why I said

you can open it, he opens it. Well, it turns out the SAT board, which they do every year, will do a standard review of their test taken procedures and policies. The year he took the test, according to my dad, he was one of 13 people sent the wrong SAT score.

His actual score was a 14 eight seven excuse me a 740 out of 1600 and and you know as I heard it I'm stunned and and so the guy says people think the 1480 is what changed my life but what in truth really changed my life is when I started acting like a 1480. And what does a 1480 do? He goes to class. And you know, like what the sports world will tell you is yeah, they're Camdundes that look like GoBots

and Transformers and LeBron James. But how do you explain the Russell Wilson? You know, like, you know, and yes, there are Mike Trouts, but you know, how do you explain the Craig Visio? So there's so many different, and in the business world, of course, there are people that want to Harvard. Of course, there are the Mark Zuckerbergs and all the different people, but how do you explain the thousands of people that didn't go through any traditional education and yet

are running our world. Bro, that's one of the all-time great stories and there's a couple more, maybe we'll get to towards the very end because we're in the corner on this, but that behavior piece is huge. So far guys, we're piecing this together. It's, don't say stupid things. Try not to faint them and don't say stupid things out loud number one to your behavior is a predictor of your future and Sometimes behavior could influence thinking right third a huge piece that you teach and by the way

I wish I knew this earlier Honestly with a lot of the UFC guys that I've worked with I wish I had this terminology that I am now going to steal from you Just so you know, so when you hear me. Yeah good. It's pleased. It's mine. But and that is the concept of neutral thinking. Everyone listen close because this is something all of you can get to relatively quickly as well is neutral thinking. What does that mean and how do you do it? as well is neutral thinking. What does that mean and how do you do it? So in 2009, probably through 014, I was studying non-negativity.

And the best information I could find out about non-negativity was children's books. And the elimination of negativity. And there was Taoism and some other things, but when after my last season at Alabama, Kirby Smart, who's the same age as me, got the head coach of Georgia. So it'd be like being at Google

and going to another company that's not quite Google. We're getting a chance to be a CEO and then me leaving Google with a good job to go to him and I told him I said hey, I want to teach it a little bit different And I want to call some things a little bit different than we've done in the past. Are you cool with that? And so yeah, and so I we really started forming at that point this idea of Well, a negative thinking works negative and positive thinking it struggles. So let's think of it as a car. If I'm going backwards, I can't go to forwards all at once.

I got to go to the middle and that middle ground is neutral. So the idea of being neutral is ultimately the acceptance of the past as real. And that's where positive thinkers and positive coaches fuck everybody up. And because they want you to pretend that an outcome that you are currently facing or have faced recently, or you haven't been able to get through, if it's a bad one.

But let's be honest, the bad ones are lasting a lot longer in your mind than the good ones that just sucks, that's how we're wired, it's just the truth. So they want to, like, you know, I went through a divorce, I talked about it in the book, that was like, not my choice, I'm still lover, she's amazing, we're great friends, but there was a lot of people that said,

think of all the people now you get to meet Well, like fuck I got married to not meet Anybody I mean you had your high school sweetheart. I mean different people have different things But like you know different people have but you know I met mine like loving first side airport all these different things. Well, you know now it's over So I had to I had to approach it like this is real. But I also knew that if I linger and talked a lot about it, that the negativity would bleed into my future behaviors. So the idea of neutral is we put a bad half. We had a really bad quarter.

We're facing some serious shit right now in our world. I just lost the love of my life. I'm facing this health challenge. I'm just not performing as well as I want. Whatever it is, that that's real. But while the past is real, it's not predictive. What you do next is what determines your future, not how you feel. Guys, what he's doing, that's what I'm jumping in in is when you got a corner who runs a 4-6-40 and he's covering a dude who runs a 4-3 and you keep telling that dude you can run with

this guy, he knows he can't. Right. So there's got to be a thinking and a behavior adjustment. Just I want to just, they enter, they enter straight. Right. Yeah, like there's, we film everything. So there's no bulls. It doesn't lie. There's no bull bill said and we got a scoreboard. You can give an example of a neutral statement

I'll give you just a great one from a pile of 13 so your 205,000 miles away from earth and Your secondary ship that's gonna land on the moon or one of them Explodes secondary ship that's going to land on the moon or one of them explodes. So, a lot of things are difficult to be positive about at that point. But negative thinking isn't going to work either. So, the positive thing might be for Jim, you know, level to tell Buzz Aldrin and

Fred Hayes Hey, man, just stay with me. We're gonna get home. We are finding a way to get home We are gonna get there and basically what his thing was is all right What what just happened we had a main bus valve break Can we still land on the moon? So can we still land on the moon is the ultimate neutral statement? It's not positive. It's not negative. Can we still land on the moon? So can we still land on the moon? Is the ultimate neutral statement? It's not positive, it's not negative. Can we land?

No. All right, okay, we can't land. Can we still do these two scenarios? No. Can we still orbit the earth in, or orbit the moon in this thing? No. All right, so this is our reality.

This ship's not gonna work. Can we get to the limb orbit and circle back? Yes. How would we do that? Can we get there? It doesn't have enough oxygen for all of us. So we're going to have a carbon monoxide issue. And every step and anybody can go on YouTube and watch the Apollo 13 press conference. It's an hour and 26 minutes. It's available for everybody, the real one. And the whole thing is this is how we did it. And then ultimately what he said is we just had to find a way to keep going. And so, but I think a neutral statement is through adversity. I take setbacks as temporary. I bounce back quickly. Very good. Very good. And so, you know, I got to support myself unconditionally.

Yes. We're going to find a way through. I want to go to the negative thinking thing, just for a second. I teach a thing called thought stacking. When you begin to think negatively, say, hyperfast thought stacking process you go through. So you magnify by thought stacking. It's almost impossible to contain one negative thought in your mind and then let it escape you.

What you do is you begin to try to validate that thought with more negative thoughts and typically bigger ones. So that's why that's such a dental mental process to your productivity, your mental well-being, and overall your success. You stack thoughts to everybody. It's a huge thing for you to know. That's why you've got to identify the one they're there and stop the negative thinking process.

And especially as Trevor, much more eloquently than I say, saying them out loud. The second thing is when you become a neutral thinker, okay, and that is a baseline place to get. It's not that I don't want you to aspire to be a positive thinking person. I do want you to do that. When you a neutral thinker you build some credit with yourself Let me tell you what happens when you neutrally think like if you're in a USC or you're one of my boxers and you're getting killed by a guy's left hook neutral thinker says hey, we're gonna address the left hook We've got to get our right hand up, whatever that might be.

That builds self trust. If you're a positive thinker going, I don't eat left hooks. I don't eat left hooks. I don't eat left hooks. And the evidence keeps happening to the contrary. You deplete your own self trust by being a positive thinker in a negative environment. So neutral thinking actually builds self trust and self confidence,

because what you're telling yourself, you're bearing to be true with evidence repeatedly so that when you do stack a positive thought, you've got some credibility with yourself. Does that make sense to everybody? So that's why neutral thinking is such a valuable asset. That's one thing in sports. Nobody cares why you didn't win. You know, like, it's just, you got to find a way to get it done. And so that's where I think sports are such,

you know, whether it's a UFC, whether it's, you know, unique different examples. And to your point about positive thinking, in the absence of negative thinking, positive thinking is a real weapon. So if you have negative thoughts, what I want you to know is the best athletes in the world and Ed, you know that whether it's the best athletes, best entrepreneurs,

the best business people, everybody has them all the time. Because our wiring hasn't changed from 10,000 years ago, where if we weren't assuming the worst, we were going gonna get stepped on by dinosaur, you know, and and and that's reality. So so the book The book it takes what it takes You know with the forward by Russell Wilson It is really you know it proves the power and negativity So if you're an asshole and you're watching this right now and and you want to debate me you can't not read that and and and walk away saying, you know what? Bullshit negative thinking is going to make me or the externalization of

negativity, not going neutral, like, it's going to make me so much better. If you're succeeding, and that's how you've been doing and you say a bunch of that stuff and you behave in, then you have succeeded in spite of yourself. People who become average become average because they do average people things. You know, I think people who become successful do successful people things. And people who struggle do struggle people things.

And so what happens if I'm a struggle people, if I'm a struggle person, and I keep doing, well, I know the outcome. I would rather aim high and miss than aim low and hit, and aim low is not helping. So focus more on the behavior. That's why all these fitness plans don't work. My dad used know, my dad used to talk about playing classroom unions, and be 25 years, they see all these people and they look great, you know, and then the classroom union would be in August and he'd say, you know, I wonder if Ed has an eatin' sense June, you know, because you get back to your class

and you want, but that's a short-term cell. You are only affecting your willpower, which will always lose to what you really believe. So after that event, you eat a little bit more, and then you start to go back to who you think you really are. And that's why the identity, which is, this is who I am based upon what I do. And where Ed said the neutral comment about athletes can't fake it to themselves, your confidence in yourself, the steam is built on what you do, not magical words, and will power a meet come in the speak, a seal come in the speak. You know, David Goggins telling you you're a fucking pussy, you know, or all those things

like that's going to get, I want to to change But if you don't have a plan Then you're gonna go back to who you know you are not based upon who you're destined to be But because you think you're a 740 Imagine if you were born and and you were like, you know what every time I've tried walking all I do is eat it So I'm just gonna chill for a couple years until I can do what those other people do and walk without any problems Mm-hmm, and that's what I've had to learn in relationships like I did all the Catholic things, right? but being a husband so much more than that and and being and I didn't I didn't do what what

Needed to be done for the relationship to exist, and I'm paying the consequences. That does not indict me to not having something better going forward. And if I try, and I need somebody, and she's not interested in me, that doesn't mean that I'm doomed for failure. It means that I've got to stay the course and and execute the process. And that's what I've learned. And I think the difference, what I've tried to do, and part of the hardest thing for me, Ed, I'm ever sitting down with Chris Fath, drama, CEO, Young and Reckless,

was like, you gotta sell people on your bad ass niffs. And so I think it takes what it takes as an exploration, some of the best athletes, some of the best people, and an evolution of how we came to the idea of thinking neutrally, and the great people like Ed Mylett, that I've been blessed to have my knowledge raise and get better because the right attitudes are contagious, attitudes are contagious in general.

That's a neutral state, bad or good. But the right attitude is a competitive advantage, and all in attitude is just a teeter-totter, man, it's a direction in which you lean. So your audience has got choices to make right now with some real realities that are no bullshit. Yeah, Trevor, one of the separators for you is it's real life, real world experience,

not theory. And that's why guys get the book. I'm just going to tell you straight up. And your vulnerabilities are what make you valuable, bro. If you were doing the Superman thing, I wouldn't connect with you because I'm screwed up, too, right? So I love dudes that are screwed up and trying to be less screwed up to be great. Yeah, I want to be less.

Yeah, me too. And you said something in there that was just, dude, there's so much gold in there, but you said something, I think I quote this correctly, where you said your willpower will eventually succumb to who you believe you are. And that is powerful, man. Like it will eventually succumb, your willpower will. So I'm not even close.

It's not even close. It's why most New Year's affirmations, resolutions or affirmations are gone by half time of the festival. I want to know last night and we'll press it up on it, but I want to know myself because I've worked with different guys too, but you've worked with people I haven't worked with that I'm interested in them. So without being personal about them, what does Russell Wilson, Mike Trout, Nick Saban, let's just take those three. So, different positions and ones of coach, ones of quarterback, ones of now-fielder. Okay.

Those three guys, and you work with tons. What is different about them? Because there's something different about them that's different amongst the different ones. Get to those levels. Everyone's different. Urban Myers and dear friend of mine, these Lou Holtz has become a pretty good buddy. There's something different about those few people that's different amongst the difference. You know what I'm saying? What do you think it is or what do you know it is? Yeah, what's interesting you mentioned, you know, Louis Holtz because I mean you're talking about somebody that doesn't have traditional aptitude and I remember being a

1997 finishing college in Pasadena, California he came to speak I was able to raise Get well get my dad to pay a thousand dollars to go see him And one of the things one of the things that he would talk about, because there wasn't a lot of digital content available, was this idea that he didn't let members on his team quit. Once the season started, you had to play the whole season. You could quit at the end of the year,

but that was clear. And he said by doing that, players woke up every day, not deciding if they wanted to be a part of the team, that was already decided. Right? So, uh, so that would help me where any job I take, uh, I'm going to make a two-year commitment. That's what my dad believes. So if I work for a full-time company, my goals to commit two years because I need to know, obviously, less they don't commit to me, but I need to have a better understanding of who they are and what they're about. So when I went to Exos, I was there two years to the day. I went to IMG, I was there, you know, 12 years, but that's your commitment when I went to teach.

I taught two years at the first school, two years at the second year. So that was from Lou Holds, but this is what I would say, and I know as we close, you know, why is Nick Sabin, you know, this guy who worked at his dad's gas station from, you know, Monago, West Virginia, one of four of his best leaders in the world. And I know some of the people like, why should a football coach be one of the best leaders in the world? We don't get to decide those things, you know, other people make those decisions, but his message is universal. And if you don't believe to decide those things, you know, other people make those decisions, but his message is universal. And if you don't believe it, you see who was more impactful during an F5 hurricane in

the state of Alabama, Nick Saving and his players or the government officials of Alabama. And so what I would say about Nick is an incredible understanding of where he's good and where he can get better. And he supplements all the areas. He's not afraid to reach out to tons of different people, tons of speakers, a lot smarter than me, whether they're in substance abuse, motivation, education, inspiration, business, and then a handful of those people get a chance to consult on a more frequent basis for me, which was 25 to 30 days a year, and then play a deeper role weekly with him. So his understanding of, A, you don't need to be sick to get better.

Yeah, I'm really good. And he has got a great system and like he's so good at what makes football players good. Like coach is good. How he recruits his architecture, like, you know, it's not a BS positive message. So he's going to give a talk for 10 minutes. He prepares for two hours because he learned when he met one of the presidents of the United States that that he saw that level of preparation in the president of the United States and said, why should it be any different for a coach? Now, I think Mike Trout, so for me, you know, my relationship with Billy Epler and the

coaches, I got to consult, you know, 30, 40 days with the team and spend, you know, probably a lot more time with some than with others, but I got to spend a lot of time watching Mike Trout. Because Mike Trout is, you talk about like great to greater. And so what I saw in Mike was, the humility was incredible. The athleticism was obviously exceptional, and incredible. The grit and grind,

he was making 30 million a year and still going home and living with his family. How he managed adversity, his adversity tolerance, and I'm sure he handled it well with Tyler Skags last year for those down in Orange County. And I love Tyler and his family. But I think Mike has an incredible process and he trusts what I saw was he trusts his process.

He's not looking for gimmicks. You know, one of the things that pisses me off the most is when somebody says I read your book, what can I read next? Just fucking follow the book. You know, like I hate serial readers. I think what Mike is, he has a really good process. He trusts it, doesn't vary,

but he's open-minded and he'll listen, but he's not looking for gimmicks. And you know, in baseball, it's not about getting rid of the slump. It's happening. It's how you minimize the length of it. That's the difference. You know, you minimize yours to four games versus 14 games because four games, like they can ride through with you. Fourteen games, man, they got to get something done. And, and then I would say, Russell, Russell is just the most incredible collection of world-class behaviors. It just does everything, like, you know, how he talks out loud. If you're negative, you have, you

can't live in his life. Like, you, there's no room for you. You know, like, there's, there's no negative news on TV. You know, they're watching Netflix. They watch other things. Listen to uplifting spiritual music. Yeah, he's not afraid of rap. He's not going to plug his ears or whatever, but, but the time he gets up, the nutritionist, his, his, his active release therapist is massage therapist, his understanding of his body's physiology and understanding of sleep hygiene and fatigue science. He has a great understanding of how that works for him. And then if you listen to Russell Talk,

if you go on the podcast we did with Zillow or some of the other things that we've done, this guy knows more than me. You know, because he lives it, he understands neutral thinking, the minimization and negativity. And that's what got him through an interception at the one-yard line with 124 million people watching, which was 11 million people more than that watched mash, mash's finale for your young people, you may not know, but that was the most popular show.

That 124 million people that watched them throw an interception was the most televised event in the history of our country. And he made that mistake and we got through it. It was really evaluated what happened with his decision, feet placement, arm throw, all the different things. Routes. This is real. And then we went down to Rancho Santa Fe. The book goes into this in depth about how we navigated it.

We got what was in our control, a great off season. You know, that was all we could control. We got a really good trainer. We had a great off season. Did all the things that you need to do. Followed his goals, which was to run at the four four level. He had run in the low four or fives.

That was an aspiration goal. We shot for that. We built everything around speed, so he wasn't getting caught from the back end. And then every morning, we watched one of his fourth corners going all the way back to his ninth grade year while he'd have breakfast. If you want to stay where you're at, stay. Like, it's okay. Like, this is where I'm like, this is why I aspire It's okay. This is where I'm like, this is why I aspire to spend my time

with people who are already really good. We need to be neutral in our language. We need to be radical in our candor with ourselves. Very good. Trevor, Trevor. Thank you. That was awesome. That was really awesome. Thank you so much.

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