THE ED MYLETT SHOW - God’s Work in Progress w/ LeAnn Rimes

Episode Date: October 25, 2022

“The greatest piece of who we are is our vulnerability…our open-heartedness is our genius…”LEANN RIMES is an American treasure and one of my all-time favorite recording artists.I am so excited to welcome her to my show this week for an incredibly deep conversation about life, emotions, mental health, God and much much more.This conversation will MOVE you and when I say it’s DEEP, I mean it . We are both very open and vulnerable in this conversation and it won’t soon be forgotten.Trust me, we are both incredibly open in ways maybe neither one of us have been beforeLeAnn is REMARKABLE in her CREATIVITY, TALENT, and PERSEVERANCE.Think about this as you listen.That’s not to say it has always been easy for LeAnn, because it hasn’t.She makes no secret of her love of GOD and the role how PRESENCE has played in her life. You’re going to hear what that presence means and the important role this plays in her singing.That FAITH has also been instrumental in guiding her career and her personal life.LeAnn is going to tell you how she handles ANXIETY, being PLUGGED IN all the time, and finding ways to take good care of herself through it all.  We’re also going to dig into why it’s dangerous to TIE YOUR IDENTITY TO EXTERNAL ACHIEVEMENTS and how LeAnn’s thinking about that has evolved over time.Like any highly creative person, she’s also prone to CREATIVE HIGHS and the crashes that often come after. Those ups and downs are real, not only for her but for everyone. You’ll want to hear how she manages those types of emotions so you can use that wisdom in your own life.We’re going to close with two things LeAnn knows a lot about…Working on getting LOVE from other people…And advice for making your DREAMS come true.I think she’s well “VERSED” to talk about these things, and after you hear her, you’ll think so too. 

This is the Ed Milach Show. I hate welcome back everybody to the show. Today's an honor. I guess she's an icon. I think I would say she's an icon. I'm going to say that I love. At 40? She's an icon.

She's iconic for sure. And she's just, this is a really special being. She's an immensely gifted artist than you all know who she is once you once I say her name. But I've just watched her. When I used to watch her when she was young, I thought she was this really young soul. And as I've watched her become a woman, I think she stepped into a space where she's like, she's like a very old soul. No, thank you. Very wise. She's gone through a lot. She's grown a lot. And she's just got a new album out by the way that I absolutely love. I cried listening to a song on there called How Much A Heart Can Hold With My Wife.

And her new album is called God's Work. And I'm really honored that she's here today. So share some time with all of you that I love so much. So, Leanne Rhymes, thank you for being here. Thank you. Thanks for having me. It's so good, finally. I know.

We met a bunch of years ago. Yes. And I get Christmas cards and stuff from you, but like four years ago, I guess it me. It's so good, finally. I know. We met a bunch of years ago. Yes. And I get Christmas cards and stuff from you, but like, four years ago, I guess it was, it was it. Yeah. I think it was. And then I don't like, I've just become such a fan of you. Thanks.

Oh, that's sweet. Thank you. Why, why the album now? What was the timing now? Um, you know, it really just kind of came through me. I'm one of those people. I love creation. I love creativity, and I'm constantly creating and I'm constantly drawing from life and our life experiences.

And the whole album was truly informed by what we all went through together. I think it's a collective over the past three years. And still are going through. I think it was timely. And for the past three years and still are going through. I think it was timely and out of every conversation I have or like it can be anything in life. It can be a billboard I see, like something will pop out at me and I'll write down all these different titles on my phone and then I'll take all of those titles

and I'll put them on a whiteboard. And I'll start to like see there's usually a through line somehow in some of the songs I know with I want them to be about some of them I don't and God's work was one of the titles and it seems like everything I had to write about fell under that umbrella. I mean everything falls under that umbrella. So I was like, you know, that's an interesting title for record because it's can be so... It can be so polarizing. Yeah, I was just thinking. Yeah, it can be incredibly polarizing. And even that word for me was incredibly polarizing

for my whole life. I was raised to the Baptist. I ran as far away from it as possible. And it was really a reclamation of that word for myself. And I felt like I wanted to throughout the record, you know, I really kind of look at the duality of life, the human and the holy of things, and how that all plays into our worlds. And I wanted to give people the permission to reclaim that word for themselves. And so I feel like that's kind of what the album does.

It's like it doesn't want to run away from our humanness. It includes all of it. And I want people to understand that, you know, our humanity can't be left out of our experience. It can't be left out of creation. And so it's a deep, it's a deep record. And it just kind of fell through me. It came through me and I was like,

okay, I'm surrendering to this process. I love that. I had, it's so funny you say it because I was preparing, I'm like, do I want to go there right off the top? Like they're like, I'll go there right off the top. No, but to your point, like I actually think there's a consciousness shift in all different types of faiths regarding that.

Had a pastor on my show named Irwin McManus. Do you know who Irwin is? I know him, yeah. He's amazing. Yeah, I thought that you would think that and I thought that you might know him. He talks often about in his version of his Christian faith is the genius of Jesus and that there's a genius in all of us. And so he very much connects our humanity to God and our experience here. It's not absent of it. So I wondered I was thinking about him and I was

thinking about you when that happened. So let's just go there for a minute. What does that word mean to you now when I say God to you? What does that mean to you? It does mean creation. I think you can insert the word love. I think it is the essence of who we truly are when you remove all of the mental constructs and the societal programming, the parental programming. I think it's just the core essence of who we are. I think there is a genius in that. And, you know, I feel like we've been told through religion. And I think there's many beautiful things about religion and there's many things that I've learned through many different teachings. But I feel like when you, you know, we've been told that our humanity is sinful and it's, you know, and holy. And I think

I know my own experience, like I've tried to run away from all those aspects of myself, all the aspects of my shadow. And it's not until I started to turn toward that and accept that and start to bring that into the wholeness of who I am. Did I, I feel actually get to experience, you know, what I believe is God. Well, if you really want to go really deep, let's do it. I believe is God. Well, if you really want to go really deep, let's do it. Sure. But this idea in some faith that, you know, there's the absence of humanity in faith

removes sort of this idea of sin. If there's sin, there means there's humans, there's humanity, there's frailties, there's struggles, there's a part of our life that oftentimes people in faith, I think, never face themselves. Yes. They never look inward, they're always looking outward. And there's something profound about also looking inward. If we didn't need to look inward, there was there wouldn't be

sin. There wouldn't be struggle. There wouldn't be the idea that I need something outside of myself. If we don't look at ourselves. So I'm 100% on the road with you. So I love. When I say sin is really missing the mark, you know, which I which I love that missing the mark, which I love that explanation of sin. And I feel like it's for me what I've kind of gathered from that statement, missing the mark of that genius that we truly are, missing the mark of that essence of the core of who we are. You know, I think there's so much,

like I've talked about anxiety and depression and so many different things that we all struggle with in some way shape perform and our our genius are our core essence can get so clouded and it's really finding the way back to that inner voice. I mean, I think that's what this record kind of points to is, you know, I feel like we're until we're about six or seven years old, like we're so in touch with our inner world. Our inner voice, our, her little, intergenius, our play, our innocence, and you know, there's a song in the record called Innocent, and I really dig into it, I started to dig into it for myself of, you know, that thought of that we're always told, you know, that we, there's a loss of innocence somewhere along the line. Yeah. that we're always told, you know, that we, there's a loss of innocence somewhere along the line. I mean, you go back to the apple and aponies. There's a loss of innocence. And I don't feel like,

I had this experience. I was going through, I was doing a lot of somatic work and I was going through this one session and I had this like energy that felt like it was hanging outside of me. And it dropped in. And when it dropped into my body I felt this overwhelming amount of joy. And it lasted for about 48 hours and I wrote that song innocent in that time and I was reading a lot about child sex trafficking at the time too. And it was it just something clicked for me and especially my childhood too. You know it's like I didn't really have one. And we've been told we lose our innocence and I'm like, no, it's there, it's there,

it's still there, we don't lose it. Just gets clouded and I feel like, you know, religion is one of those things that like you were saying, always looking outside of you, never looking in. And we get these things in our head of like loss of innocence that where there's something wrong with us that we're sinful. And they stick and it's amazing how much that drives your life. And when you have for me when I had that experience of what felt like my purity, my innocence, that still was there. I was like, oh, this hasn't gone anywhere. And I wanted everybody to know, like, this is here.

Yes. So, and I've, you know, I lose touch without all the time. I think that's the dance, right? So do I. Well, I just, by the way, we're going there, aren't we everybody? We're five minutes in.

But I want to say something to you. It's amazing how much, I want to unpack some things there. Our work on ourselves lines up you and I Yeah, well, I'll tell you a couple things one like all these years I've been you know helping with people their lives and different aspects of personal development or business and stuff And I've just my work is just moved into this space that all creation all great things come from love Mm-hmm, and I've been talking about this, like my dad getting sober. Why did my dad finally get sober when he quit drinking?

Because he loved his family so much from love, he wanted to try one more time. And this notion of childhood, I write on my book a lot about this thing, why are we happier when we're children? And this genius thing, I think it's somewhat connected to imagination. And so that when we're children, see, there's two ways to operate, I think, in life.

One is out of history and memory. And the other one is out of imagination and dreams and genius and creativity. And at some point in most of our lives, years earlier than most, I lost my childhood because I had to be the man of the house with a now called it. You lost yours, I think, because of your career, right? But when we're children, we're typically happier because we don't have a history in memory. We're in our imagination. We're in our creativity. We're in our dreams. And at some point, we start to have a history, and we start to operate out of that history in memory. And I think

that suppresses our genius. It suppresses our imagination. When I've learned something I've learned about myself, as I have a very vivid imagination. Sure. I was an only child. I played by myself. Like I had, I talked to, you know, things that weren't there constantly. And when you start to have that history

and those traumas meld with a really intense imagination, like I make up so much. That's not there. And I've had to learn like, oh, that's, you know, I've had to learn to utilize my imagination for something better. Or else, if it, it's like idle hands, if devil's handy work has anything,

it's like, if it's just sitting there not doing anything productive and guiding it in the right direction, it will just totally go over and take all my traumas and it'll make up all the things, it'll bring it all into the now. So I've had to really learn how to direct that. And, you know, I think that's why music for me and writing is such an outlet

because it allows me to direct that wild imagination into something powerful. I'm the same way I did it last night. No, I did last night. I woke up at like, I don't know, like, 230. And I just started stacking anxieties and worries and things I've got to do and stuff that's not going right. And I'm stacking it.

And I finally went, you know, you're doing it again. Yeah. I literally in the middle of my almost halfway asleep, I go, you're doing it again. Can you not at least sleep through this? You know, so it comes back to me too, I understand so deeply. Yeah, I mean, I, my sleep is not great. And my war ring like yells at me all the time. My war ring was yelling at me. I posted it this morning. Here's my

war ring. Look how many times I'm up and this one's for an hour. Yeah. Where I'm just like you dumbass. You're just doing it over and over half the sudden. We're not going to call just like you dumbass, you're just doing it over and over half a sudden. That's where it comes in. We're not gonna call ourselves a dumbass. We're gonna call it. We love myself. I love you.

It's okay. No, but it's so easy. And then you get into that trap of doing exactly that. You're doing it again. This is so stupid. And then you go into judgment. And then it's just like, okay, well now I'm judging myself and then it becomes this like circular thing.

For me, what is good, I know you've had this too. When I have an awareness over something, it kind of loses its power over me. So rather than calling it, I'm kind of being funny. I'm like, you are doing it again, dude. And it's almost like, it's almost become, because I have done work on myself, which we'll talk about with you in a second.

It almost does become like, come on, man. Like you know what you're doing. Are you tired of doing this? Like you're doing it again. It's a habit. It's history and memory. It is. It's a memory.

It's the addiction of, you know, I know I'm addicted to anxiety. Like, for me, I've kind of two speeds. I have anxiety and I have, I go into freeze mode. And that was a protective mechanism for me when I needed rest and I couldn't say no as a kid. I went into freeze. And so my anxiety for performance has always been the mechanism that has driven me out of freeze in order to work. And so I've had these like two modes that still it still happens all the time. But my awareness of it, like you're saying the awareness of it, it's like, oh, this is what's happening. I don't have to beat myself up about it.

It's just my nervous system doing what it's trained to do. And we can figure out a way out of this, but it's the awareness of it is what's key. Our addiction to anxiety we share, I wonder if we'd be really good for each other when we pointed out or if we would just constantly pour it on it. That's good to do it.

You're right, I'm really worried. We just, you know, like, I wonder if we would be good for one another because I do it too. I think we become addicted to the familiar, even if it doesn't serve us, right? We love the familiar. And I used to brag that, man, I am great under stress. We're brag about it, man.

You should see how great I'm under stress. And then what I would do is create stress so that I thought I could be great. I would create the familiar. And I woke up one day, I'm like, so is this what I wanna do the rest of my life? Is somehow be great under stress all the time. So I don't want to do that.

So let me ask you, when I hear you sing, I don't mean to flake float your boat, but I don't know if you ever heard this before, but you're really good at it. Hey, I was thinking about trying it. Maybe it's a job. It was a little bit talking about God. I was like, trying it. Maybe as a job. A little bit talking about God. I was like, why do I sometimes cry

when I hear her sing? Oh yeah. And I think it's like, maybe there's the presence of God there. Yeah. Do you believe that? Yeah. How much of what you have is given to you

through a gift and how much of it is that you've worked out it? I think it's, well, I think it, I came in with it. I mean, my dad has tapes of me singing at 18 months old, like full on, like could carry a tune here, pitch, like there's something I did come in this world with it. And then I definitely have worked out it. And I've worked out it more in the last couple of years. I, you know, I've been on the road my whole life.

And with COVID, like I didn't sing really for two years. I made the record, but that was here and there. And I was constantly in quote unquote practice, you know? And so I've actually worked at retraining my muscle to build it back up so I can go work again on a consistent basis. So this is the first time in my life that I've really had to ever work at it.

But yeah, I mean, the vocal cords are these tiny muscles and it's like anything else in the body, like they can hold inflammation, they can get tired. Like, it's kind of crazy that the thing there is in my body and I have to remember like everything else I do in my life affects that thing. I would challenge everybody that they're gonna go get your album, right?

Make sure that you go get God's work. And if you can get through that whole album without crying or getting emotional, there's something like that. Yeah, you need to go see a therapist. You can literally go see a therapist because it's moving. Yeah, it's meant to be.

I mean, that's the thing. I feel like part of my gift is, as I've gotten older, what I've realized, is to help people feel. And I know it's part of my gift to myself too. You know, music was always an outlet to be able to express the things that were scary to express.

And so I feel like that's, when I make an album, that's part of what I'm doing too, is helping people express things and you know on this record We go into we're going to grief and rage and you know and Loving us and love and hope and like we run the gamut and Yeah, I feel like There is something that kind of opens up when I sing and I connect to something else

You must. Yeah, I do. I think when I'm experiencing great art, even like a great speech, if I hear someone give a speech, but particularly with your work, I find myself almost leaving the music from sometimes and like reflecting on my own life. Like I leave what you're actually saying for a few minutes, but the way you're saying it, the energy that comes from it, what I'm feeling, causes me to think about things

that seem not correlated, but are. And I can only explain that that's a spiritual experience. Yeah. When that happens, it's one of you to know you do that for me. Thank you. Thank you. So we said that if you like, don't cry when you listen to the album,

you should probably go to therapy. And I want to talk to you about that because I talk openly about like different struggles I've had with, you know, mental health or anxiety or worry. And I think it takes courage for anybody to do that. I think it takes extra courage when you're a public person like I am. And then I think it takes extra, extra courage when you're a public person like you are. So I have to imagine was it like a lap? Was there was there a catalyst where you went? Cause you actually went somewhere for a while and said, I just going to unplug.

Yeah. Right. So I heard you say something like you felt like you were permanently plugged in all the time. Oh, I still do. Sometimes do you do. Do you? I do. I feel like I have this electrical current that runs through my body, which is maybe partly, I mean, if you want to look at the spiritual aspect of it, maybe it's partly like my connection with all that is that's coming through me. But I do feel like also with

my nervous system and the way that I was on, I say it's been on stun since I was a child. I mean, just growing up in the household, I grew up in, there was a lot of arguing. And, you know, when you're constantly in that hyper vigilant mode, and then taking that already hyper vigilant child and putting her into a world where all eyes are on her 24, 7, my hyper vigilant has been intense. But it's, you know, it's, yeah, it's interesting. I, at 30, I just decided I needed to go get help. I was on, I was having horrible anxiety and so many, like, depression. And I'd never been alone.

There's always been someone with me. And when I went into this treatment center, like, when the door is locked, like, I remember going, oh, my God God, like I'm alone for the first time. Really? Yeah, and it was. Did you take your phone from you too? I don't remember if they did, maybe for a moment, maybe for the first few days.

Yeah. And what no one knows actually during this time, I was going through like all these dental surgeries. And while I was in there, I had five root canals. Oh my God. Five at one time. Come on. And while I was in there, I had five root canals. Oh my God. Five at one time. Come on. And while I was in treatment, and they're looking at me, they first off, they thought I was

like, they thought I was wanting drugs at the beginning of it. They were like, oh yeah, she's just doing this. And then they took me into, you had to have a root canal at midnight. Oh my God. When I did this, it's met me. He's like, yeah, we need to do five. I'm like, oh my God. I was asking for drugs.

Oh my God met me. He's like, yeah, we need to do five. I'm like, I'm asking for drugs. So it was like, it was just a moment in my life where everything was just falling apart. And in, I mean, it was the greatest gift to be honest. I mean, we can never see those at that moment in time. But, um, you know, and from that moment on, I think, you know, I just turned 40 and I feel like these last 10 years have been my own journey of kind of peeling back every layer and I still have so many layers to peel back. Like, you know, I, yeah, it's, but I have more, I think now I have more of an understanding of all the

little pieces that are how, you know, how they all fit into this puzzle of me. You think you know you better than me? I do, I know me very well. Sometimes so much, you know, that awareness piece where you're like, I'm aware of this, but I can't do anything about it just yet, you know? Yes, I do know.

What I love about you're saying is that I sometimes have conversations with friends in mind where like that one moment changed everything. And I was never that way again. And I've had a few things in my life like that, but I find that most aren't. Most are like, I made progress there. Yeah, totally. I made progress there.

I chipped away at something there. And I think that's a really important thing for you to share, if you don't mind, is that you still have these proclivities from time to time, right? I think there are people like, I've gotten better, but I'm not all the way better. And then they- Is there an all the way better that those-

I don't think there is. I don't know if there is. I don't think there is. And I think we get, you know, a lot of this kind of self-help world can also be just another way to shame ourselves. Yes, that's what I'm saying. And so for me, I've really had to notice that also.

Yeah. It's like, how am I using this self-help world to run away from the core of everything? And also, how am I using this the same as shame cycle, where I feel like I'm constantly trying to get better and get better and get better. And it's like, okay, when do I just... Exist, just be. I hope everyone's enjoying this as much as me because I'm right with you. Sometimes I even shame myself. Like, who are you to be giving people all this advice?

And you were up at 2.30 last night. I did the same thing this morning, by the way. I knew it was coming and talking to you. I've had rough morning and I was like, you know, you get this imposter. Imposter syndrome or fraudulent. Yeah, you're completely fraudulent. And I stopped to myself and I was like, no, you're not. You've come a long way and a lot to share from the place that you are right now. Yes. And then, you know,

I have a lot to grow, but it's not, I think my growth is just, I think you get to a point where, for me, at least I want to be better for myself. It's not about anything outside of me. It's like, I want to, I want to treat myself kinder and I want to I want to live a happier, more joyful life and it's for me. And I think there's a big difference in that when that starts to shift. Yeah, it's a really big change. It's so true for everyone. Listen to this, there's too many times in my life where I'm making a change. I'm going now this is going to be a good lesson for everybody else. It is helping me. But instead of just being

in it and like, I'm just going to treat myself kinder right now. And if at some point, what I'm going through would help some other people, I'll do it. But I think we also get into this thing of because we have good hearts, we want to help people all the time. Sometimes the most important thing you can do to help everybody else is to like care for you. Yeah. To help yourself, right? So you go away and you come back and I'm just curious, like, does the anxiety manifest itself in any area? Like it could even be like coming here today.

Or like it does. So you'll still, you'll still, and what does it look like for you? Like I don't really wanna do this or I'm not good enough to do this or how do I get out of doing this or like. Oh no, I mean, yeah, definitely, I could've been a festival this way,

is actually. Yeah, me too, that's why I ask. I think it's definitely kind of comes back to this like, worthiness wound. Wow, it's amazing. I know it is pretty crazy if you think about it, because of all that I've accomplished in my life. And I, but I do think that that's why I was so adamant

about accomplishing so much because I felt like I had to in order to receive love. Me too. And when you really boil it down, especially for myself, ultimately, at the end of the day. And so now I feel like that's definitely quieted down a lot. And like I said, I can stop myself this morning and be like, no, you're like, it's all okay.

Like you can have all the anxiety and all these feelings of unworthiness. And you can still show up. And you're still going to, for me, it's like just, I just ask, like, you know, I trust that whatever needs to come through will come through me. And it is. And thanks. And that's what, that's the thing. Like you just, for me, I've learned to kind of move that piece of me just to the side, not like out of the way completely, just move it to the side. Tell it it can be there. Like you can have your space in me today. Like you can be right here.

And I'm also with you. There's another part of me that's here too. So it's a bit of compartmentalizing and at the same time allowing it to be complete. Like, I, you know, for me in the past, like, I used to never have stage fright, never have anxiety. Like, when I was a kid, I was just, I felt superhuman. And until I, once I started to see my humanity, it changed everything. All of a sudden, I had anxiety. All of a sudden, I had stage fright at times.

Like, I realized about when was that my humanity it started I Would say it started I maybe you're on 28 Yeah, 27 28 Me too for me it was what other people started to criticize Yes, totally that's exactly when I happen my husband and I've been married for 12 years But we went through you know public affair and I mean, the press is just brutal and especially for a woman and

especially for a young woman who they built up to be a man, a sweetheart forever. And so it was like the ultimate story for them. And that's when I started judging myself through other people's eyes. And one day that did switch and like maybe 32 or 33, I realized, wait, these other people's eyes. And one day that did switch, and like maybe 32 or 33, I realized, wait, these are people's projections onto me. Like I don't have, that's not who I am. You know, my mistakes, I'm not my mistakes, and I'm not who they say I am.

And I think that it took me, it took me doing a lot of soul searching to recognize who I was in order for that not to be projected upon me. Yeah. Same with me. Yeah. It's intense. It's an intense role.

Yeah. And by the way, this manifest, this projection from other people manifest in your life, listening to this, maybe the same way it does for you, Land and I, but maybe differently. Maybe you're living someone's projection in your life, listening to this, maybe the same way it does for you, land and I, land and I, but maybe differently. Maybe you're living someone's projection in your life. Your parents projected a particular career on you or beliefs in yourself or what you are or are not good at. They projected it on to you and you've adapted it and that's how you live your life. And so a lot of our lives, there's this whole thing or we live it in some ulterior dimension.

You know, we're not, but we are oftentimes as living other people's projections. And for me and you, it was like, wow, we were sort of achiever, achievers, and then criticism, and then I started to sort of look at myself as if maybe I've been fooling myself the whole time. Maybe I am that horrible person that day.

Right, maybe I am. And maybe part of those, maybe some of it was true. Maybe some of it was true for me too. And then that's some of it I was like, oh, I can see where I was kind of an asshole at that moment and time, you know, like, oh, I didn't, you know, I didn't take others' people's feelings

into consideration when I did blank, whatever it may have been. I can look back now and go, oh yeah, like there were parts of that that were true, but that's not totally, that's not who I am. Me too. Yeah. My way out, I'm curious what some of your ways are.

Let's talk about some tools out for you. What works for you. Ice baths. I'm just kidding. We were just super everybody. We were just talking about how much we can't stand ice baths before the show. Yeah, it's definitely not ice baths for the two of us right now. That's so dang funny.

It's so true. I, for me, the hardest thing, I'll tell you something, because I've been in front of people. I conflated two things to. I conflated like, love with significance. When I did significant things, I felt love. So if I would just keep doing significant things. And sometimes in life, these things also work for you. Like one of the reasons you were so successful is because you did make this, and then you're, a lot of times in life,

if something works for you a little bit, it's really scary to give it up entirely. Because you're like, that's part of my recipe. If I don't have anxiety or worry, maybe I won't, practice is gonna be on my A game. And so there's a nuance to life.

That's the hard part about podcasting or writing a book. It's like, there's a nuance to life. That's the hard part about podcasting, or writing a book. It's like, there's a nuance to something. But for me, the hardest thing that is now the most beautiful thing is what you just said earlier, me being alone with me. I realize like, maybe it's different for a woman, but maybe it's not, but like for me, like I never even just stopped

and really just like looked at me in a mirror. Like just not, I'd look at like as my hair messed up or something. But I mean, just like, I love this man. I've like, I've never done, I had never done that. Like I love this man. It's a good man. I've never would stop. I was just doing life.

And then this idea of like getting alone with myself and being quiet and like just being with my breathing and these were so difficult for me. And when they were difficult for me, I thought, well, maybe that's because it would be so valuable for me if I could do it. And so for me, forms of meditation have helped me a lot. Sometimes, actually writing for me can be a form of meditation. So what's worked for you? Like if you were to share with someone who says, I got anxiety, I got worry, I got fear, I got anger.

What has actually worked most of the time? Yeah, I mean, I think that piece of creativity is super important. I mean, we're all creative beings. Like that is our nature. Yeah. And I think until we nurture that nature, and find a way of doing that. Like, and I think what's so interesting too is we are all so unique.

Like what works for one person will not work for the next person possibly. And it's just you have to find your own path with it. So I dip in and out of things all the time. Meditation is pretty much a non-negotiable for me, even if it's five minutes during the day. I just need to sit, breathe, and you know, I'll take in an inhale and like, I do it like double time, that double longer Excel, that usually will help my

anxiety a little bit. But yeah, I mean, I've really gotten into recently working a lot with my physical body, like balancing my hormones, like I kind of went from the beginning meditation and breathing to now, like going running the gamut of pretty much everything you can think of. But you know, physical mental spiritual, like emotional, it's all important. You can't leave one out, you really can't. Um, writing, I think, you know, has been such a big thing

for me also creating. Um, and I, yeah, it's interesting that you just said, because something clicked for me, you said that, you know, we get projected upon, like, the things we're good at, things we're not good at. I think leaning into the things I've been told I wasn't good at, like, I, I don't like to dance. Like, it really, I do not like to move my body.

And there was, I think, that also has to do with old religious programming too. But it's, I had this whole thing around, someone told me one time that I was better singer than I was a dancer and I stopped dancing. And which, by the way, like, I might have been a fine dancer, but if you were to tell me a better singer, I mean, I'm, like, I was exceptionally good at singing. So I like, I couldn't dance that well too. But yeah, I felt like I just stopped doing it. And so for me, finding what those places are that feel really uncomfortable. And even if it's for me, putting one song on and like moving my body freely is and when I do that I'll ball like I'll ball and I'll have so much joy at the same time and then I'll stop. I'm like okay if that's that's kind

of my threshold of how I bid how I lean into those things but I feel like it's finding those places for people that are scary and walking into them and they don't have to, you don't have to just run and jump off the cliff. Like just dipping a toe into things to expand who we believe ourselves to be. Like it just, it opens our lives up in every other aspect, not just that one little space, but in every other aspect of our life starts to change. not just that one little space, but in every other aspect of our life starts to change. You're so right, that's where I wanna go too. You're like doing the interview for me.

But like I tied up my identity into everything outside of me, all of my life. So like if I made money or I got a muscle or whatever it was, it was, my identity was always tied to the external. Man, it worked for me for a long time. Yeah, it does, it works. It works.

But it's like, when I got wealthy or whatever, it never was quite what I thought it would be when I would get there. And I think it was because I had tied it to the external instead of like, I just love this work. I love doing this work. So you had to have had your identity completely tied up and being famous or being a singer. And did you, have you unpacked that at all? Like someone was like, your identity could be,

that stay with me, your identity could be that you're a mother. Well, someday, by the way, someday you'll be an empty nester. And then what? Right. So it could be anything out there. But did you, you must have had a lot of that. It's still tied up into a certain extent around my voice.

I went through this few days the other day where I was thinking like, what could I live without? And when I really, like, could I live without my boys and That was one big one. I was like I don't want to But if I had to I guess I would have to and I was just looked up that the sky was like don't do that So you know, this is not an invitation. Let's not prove it But I you know, I there was like wedding, it was interesting things like my wedding ring like was really, it's really important to me.

And yeah, it's a random little things that I was like- To powerful question. Yeah, it was, you know, it was like, okay, well maybe that's because of how important like relationships, I was told how important relationships were at a certain age, you know, like, well, how are these things, how are, why are the few things that I wouldn't really want to let go of? Why are they so important? So I went through that for a moment and my voice is definitely one of those weird things when you're born into this world with something like that. And you know, as you get older, like things shift and change and I know that I'm not going to be doing this my whole life, you know, I mean, truth knows, but I mean, I, at some point, I, I feel like I want a different experience.

That's been the new thing for me too, is that, that whole term different experience, especially when shifting things. It's like, oh, I want a different experience. What's a different experience look like? So it's been something I've been playing with. And I know for me, like, I will want a different experience one day than being on the road. Yeah. So, and I know for me, like, I will want a different experience one day than being on the road.

Yeah. So, and I don't know. I mean, I've had moments like, look, COVID, you know, gave us an opportunity to kind of untangle from all of those things that we were attached to. And I did for a moment and I was, I was okay with it. I was okay with it. I think, look, I just released an album. I don't even look at charts anymore. Like I don't know what it did. I really don't. And maybe it's part of that self preservation and also part of it though,

is not the reason I do it anymore. Like the reason I do it is to connect with people and help them shift or help them question. And it's really, yeah, it's, it's so interesting how my reason for doing things has shifted. It really has. Well, with someone who listens, they just said, Hey, I'm, I'm curious to hear. I saw you on a stage. I don't remember who's event was. There's Luisa's. Oh, yeah. Luisa, I swear I met you. Yeah. Yeah. And I had to go up after you, I think. You did. I think I had to go up after you. I was like, I'm not, I rarely have ever had that feeling.

I don't want to go up after that because the room was so moved. I just thought she's going to be doing this too. Like what meaning meaning this meaning like leveraging this gift she has, but it was much more like direct approach. It wasn't like just enjoy my work. There was a message, spoken message, some chanting with it. I'm just curious. I'm surprised you haven't gone further down that road.

It's something I want to do. Maybe today's the beginning. Yeah, no, right. It is. It's funny when you asked me to come on here. that's what I thought about. And I remember you saying to me, you came up after and you were like, you've never done this before. So I had such a, I was going through this whole thing with with Lewis. I'm like, I don't speak. I speak during my shows, but like, this is you're asking me to give a speech. He's like, just come do it for like

10 minutes. And then you can sing. And then we'll have a chat. I'm like, cool. I can do that. But it did get me this bug of this is another way for me to share and connect with people. And when you ask me to do this, it maybe think of that. You know what? I need to do that. I've been speaking for 30 years one time ever. I would really prefer not to go up right now after that person and it was you. I'm serious. And it's not because you get to sing better. The manly that's kind of the guy that I of like, no, something just happened in the room right now that I'm not so sure I can match or do anything better than. And I'm dead serious when I say that to you. And it's the heart. It's the heart. I mean, I think that I was so open.

I mean, I walked up on stage and just started bawling because it was, I was conquering. And I just want to talk about I was, I hope, right now, I was conquering. And I just want to talk about, I was crying out. I was conquering a huge fear. And I know that that's also the reason why I haven't done more of it, but the reason as I'm crying, the reason I know I need to. Which is rather remarkable that you of all people were uncomfortable getting up in front of a group.

But the lesson, and the reason I bring it up is the lesson I made a post Saturday about this, like start a new hobby. You said a new experience. That's the pathway to bliss, everybody. That's the pathway is to do something new that you feel ill prepared for. That's a bit scary. But maybe you have some potential percolivity for it. Like I shouldn't decide that right now, I'm going to start doing 360 windmill dunks. It's just not a lot of dudes that are my build that are doing that right now.

So it's got to be something that you have some preclivity for, but create a new experience. Like even if you're great at something, to your point, like you're the best at what you do. But do you want that to be the entire experience of your life? Yeah. Right? Like that's the juice of life. And so why was so proud of you not even knowing you that day? And then to watch you just go, wow. But I remember thinking this is probably something she's gonna do a lot of and then really you haven't very much since that time I haven't since then well, but also co-COVID happened a lot of those lines too, so but it is something that I've I just had this huge meeting the other day with my team and I'm like that is that is on the docket of things to

To walk into I'm I did you is on the docket of things to walk into. I did. Well, you just got introduced a couple million more people. Yeah. So that's really good. I did a chant record during the middle of COVID, because I felt like people just, people needed it, which was something new for me.

I've never kind of branched out into that. And then I think that kind of, you know, that informed this new record. And I'm also working. I'm working on a chant too and did that. And then I think that kind of, you know, that informed this new record. And I'm also working, I'm working on a chant too at the moment. So I'm wanting to create this whole, like, sound experience for people. You guys, when she does this, it's unreal.

It's unreal. She did it that day. It's unreal. It's unreal. It's unreal. You know, you said sometimes you're slipping a little bit like you go, like, I didn't have a good morning today or whatever.

I heard you say this a while ago, I'm gonna bring up something you said that might help you today and help everybody else. I love that. And it's something that I do. So like you said something about all you've accomplished in your life, this like looking back and going, man, have you ever had a pretty,

accomplished some things? Everybody listening to this has overcome so many things in their life they don't give themselves credit for. But one of the things that's helped me, like I wrote my book, the last book I wrote is really a lot about my childhood and my dad and drinking. My dad got sober and it's a great story. But there's a lot of power for me, even when I'm having bad days as a grown 51 year old man. Usually everyone I want you to hear this. Now we're going

deep, deep. But this is for Leanne too. Usually the 51 year old man is not having the experience that's so bad. It's me as a little boy who like the 51 year old dude is like living it out again. Even if he hasn't had like I'll go three months I'm doing great. I haven't had a lot of anxiety. I haven't had a lot of worry. I've had some and then like bam it comes back again or bam and posture syndrome or bam I'm insecure or one of my new things the last five or eight years it been like is it worth it? Like I do this thing with me Is it worth it, you know just this weird game you play with yourself

And for me one of the pathways out is I go back to the the sounds corny. I know some of my dudes listening this but I go back to me the little boy and I have a little conversation I don't have the conversation with just the 51 year old being is going through it I go back to the little boy as give him give him a hug and say, man, everything's gonna be okay. You're gonna have a great life. You're gonna be amazing. You're loved. You're special.

You're powerful. You're giving. And somehow, there's a lot of power that happens to me when I go back to him. Number one, I kind of heal that little dude. But it also automatically sort of gives me a perspective that I'm no longer that little boy. I'm 51. I've had a pretty good life in between you said something you said I got to learn or I'm learning how to love myself as a little girl Like have you done that and I did that. Hope you when you do it

You did it this one. I did I just put my hand in my heart like because I know it's activated like you're saying I know when this is happening This is not Lee and the 40-year-old woman. Yeah. And I just put my hand in my hand like it's okay. Like it's okay. And sometimes just that moment of breaking the pattern, the mind pattern of ruminating or whatever it may be, just a moment of compassion is so helpful.

And I think that's when I was saying, there's this piece of me that I've kind of learned how to move aside, that when that little girl is super activated, it's like that's the piece that I'm now, I'm not getting rid of her, I'm not like pushing her down. I'm just saying, you can step over here, and I've got this. Yeah. We'll come back to you, we'll come back and you're all,

and you're always there, like, you know, there's not, I think for so long, there was such a disassociated piece for me, I'm having to, like I was such a dissociative piece for me, having to, like I said, come out of that free state and work. And so I had to disassociate. And so I'm now not disassociating, but bringing all of me into the room. And that means bringing my anxiety and my fear and all of those things right along with me.

Really, really good, Leanne. That's really, really good. This is why I do the show. I only do one a week and I do it because I think like, someone's life's going to change. And today, like, lots of lives are changing. Because we're just human. The symptoms of how we live out,

parts of these wounds we have is different, but the disease is the same for all of us. The disease is very similar. I'm curious, I've always wanted to ask somebody who's extraordinary. I know what it's like. I think like Mike, I don't know what my gift is. I think it's probably when I'm on stage speaking,

I can feel there's just something there. Could you share with me and everyone, what does it feel like when you're in your genius? Like what is going on in you? Do you know when you're singing and it's a crowd and you're just in that, I wanna take you there for a minute. You're in this, like you're doing potentially

one of the things certainly you were born to do, right? You're in your calling, you're in one of your purposes. I say one of because you are more than that, but let's be real. Something, there's a spiritual energy, a God experience that's happening. What's happening in you? Because it might be for a auto mechanic,

it's like when they're really fixing that engine, right? It's they're in their calling, they're in their thing. So it can be any, the, our geniuses are different, but we all have a genius Do you know can you consciously go there for a minute? I don't know if you ever thought about it. What's happening in you? Which you know, it's really interesting as I can be in that and still be Completely judgmental of myself as you're doing it come on now I can I can there I can totally be in doing whatever I'm doing and still have all the fear and anxiety

and judgment. And then there is a, and no one would know. Like there's no real, which is what's so trippy. There's no real, there's no difference in me, there's difference in me inside, but there's no difference to other people out there. I just can, it's like a switch that you flip and it's like, whatever, nothing that's working for me is going, nothing I'm doing humanly is going to get in the way of it. But there are times when I can just move over, like I said, that's kind of move over this piece of me that wants to judge and do all the things.

I can move it over to the side and really connect with that and allow it to envelop me. And when that happens, I feel like it's just a whole, it's like, it's a drug. It's a high. You know, it's a, it's the one place where, you know, I can go and get lost. Like, if I can get past all the stuff going on my head, I get lost and found all the same time. Yeah. You know, it's, that's beautiful.

Yeah, it is. And I think that's what's been so challenging for me to have had that experience from such a young age. Life outside of that has got really boring. Mm-hmm. And it's been, and it's so exciting, and it's all I really want to do. It's like I said, it's a drug.

All I really want to do is get back to that connection with that thing that works through me. I would imagine the thing that's most resembling it is love you have for Eddie. Yeah, yeah. I think any kind of love. Love. Yeah. I mean, that's what it, I feel like that's what it is.

Yeah, I do too. That's what speaks through. And that's that open-heartedness, like that, yeah, I feel like there's such, and I feel like that's been such a challenge for me in this world, too, is my heart just always been like this. Big thing walking around like fully open. I think there's a gift you're giving.

I think by the way, I go to the mechanic, because I think it's such a great contrast, but it's not. You're doing it like you're giving your gift to humanity when you're doing it. Whenever that is, if you're great at gardening, getting your gift to. Mothering anybody who mothers like mothering, right? You know, it's bothering. Yeah, all the things.

It's, you know, something as I say simple, it doesn't have to be, you know, you don't have to be on stage for this to be happening. Correct. You said to be present. I think for me. Full present. I think for me it's presents. And that's when, if I can.

So good. Yeah. Yeah. For me it's presents. It's, you know, when I can fully hand myself over, it's presence and surrender. And we only have presence, right, when we surrender to what is in this moment. So it's, and I think that's why I've learned to walk

on stage with that, with the fear, with the anxiety, you know, and not judge it and let that be part of my experience. It's like what I did with at Lewis's event. It's like, I walked on stage and said, I'm fearful if you want to know what being scared is and doing it anyway looks like that's me. You literally said that. Yeah, I did with at Lewis's event. It's like, I walked on stage and said, I'm fearful if you want to know what being scared is and doing it anyway looks like that's me. You literally said that.

Yeah, I did. And I've learned if the greatest piece of who we are is our vulnerability when it comes to being able to stand on stage like that and share, you know, for a parent. It's like, you know, when you yell at your kid and then you can go back and be like, I'm sorry. I, that, you know, when you yell at your kid and then you can go back and be like, I'm sorry, I was angry at that moment in time.

When you can go back and be vulnerable with your kid, it's the vulnerability is what is the genius. It's the open-heartedness that happens there. It's when you can bring all of you to the moment and be present with what is instead of trying to like put on this mask, you know, to face the world. And yeah, you know what? It's interesting because it sometimes it hurts more. Like sometimes that is even more painful to be on stage in that. But it also what

can come back at you. Yes. And what can come through you? What I've learned recently is it's harder to withhold. It's more painful to withhold love than the pain of the vulnerability of giving it all. Because ultimately, I had to show the other night where the crowd was really quiet. And of course, I take that and I'm like, I'm doing, I'm horrible. I'm not doing a great job. And all of a sudden, I was like, no, I'm going to perform for me. And I did.

And it took, look, it took me, I had to be aware enough to get to that place where I can go, I'm going to perform the best for me, because I love me and I wanna have this experience. And so it wasn't about anybody else in that moment. And now what I've learned, it's like, okay, how can I create the experience for myself and I invite people in? Yes.

Because it's not about trying to get their love. It's about trying to be all of me for me. That's your thing, right? That's your moment. That's it, yes. So there you took me to it, finally. No, you found it. No, the full presence thing, I need to process that

actually when we're done, because you're 100% right. And when I'm in whatever my geniuses are, especially like when I'm speaking or with them with my children, time changes too. Like I'm fully present, I lose track of time, I'm fully vulnerable, I'm fully open. When I speak that happens on stage, a funny thing that you say, someone called me last week, like, did you speak it so and so about? Because I spoke the day after, they're like, the crowd was terrible.

And I had that same thing, I'm up there, I'm like, what am I, I think I'm doing what I do, you know what I'm saying? They're so quiet. And I couldn't see the crowd. And I went into that, oh gosh, I better ramp, doing what I do. You know what I'm saying? They're so quiet and I couldn't see the crowd and I went into that, oh gosh, I better ramped, what am I doing? Like, oh, I'm loo, and you wouldn't know, just like you said, when you're singing,

I'm having this horrific conversation with myself as I'm just blowing and going. And then so I really had this really kind of stressful experience up there and I'm doubling down. And then at the end, they put the lights on, everyone's crying. It wasn't that they weren't with me. They were being emotional with what I had said. So sometimes our own insecurities can come in and interrupt our presence.

Yeah, absolutely. Went you said there's a high. Is there a low after? I really? Yeah. Is there a low after? What's it like? When when soon like you're in the car on the drive back? Yeah, it happens probably within 45 minutes of coming up stage. I feel like I get hit by a truck. And it lasts for, yeah, until I go back on stage. I mean, if we're doing three shows in a row, like it'll, I can kind of keep it, you know, a bit of the high going because I'm still having to keep myself, you know, kind of in that mode of go go mode. But then when I come home, it's like I at least have to have a day where I'm like decompressing and I'll go I can go into like a bit of a depressed state because it's Yeah, and then it's a dopamine hit and I've been having dopamine hits my whole life. And I'll look for them. I'll definitely, I've found myself looking

for dopamine hits all the time. And I recognize it once again, awareness. But it's just the way my body has been built. And I've had to really learn how to work with that. Because yeah, I mean, I started that. My system got produced and turned into that. So, so, yeah young. Yeah. Yeah. I knew you were going to say that and I knew you were going to say decompress and I knew that it was soon because for me like when I speak it's in the car on the way to leave. I already feel it. And I think it's just the vibrational frequencies change the energies change so much the dopamine's leave on my body. changed so much, the dopamine is leaving my body. But a functioning person, I think, has the ability to, we both know it's a chemical issue in our brains, but there should be other

things when I leave there that would produce it. Like being able to call my wife ought to produce that same thing, if I'd be just as present with her, as I was with these 17,000 people, I was just speaking in front of her, whatever it is, right? So and here's what it's come down to for me. So I'm going to go to the, I'm leading to a place. Yeah. Maybe my favorite conversation we've had on the show, by the way, that's no disrespect to anybody else.

Maybe my favorite, because you everyone just got to listen into me and Leanne talk about our stuff, which hopefully helps you, which helps you. But I have uncovered something maybe the last year or two about me. I'm good at loving people, man. I love people. I think one of the reasons I'm pretty good

in front of a group or the show or with friends is I love people. And I think they feel it when I think people feel it from you too. I am still not good at getting love from other people. Oh, I understand. And I have people that really love me. But it's almost like, I don't know how to explain it.

Like I really almost never sit there and go, I'm loved. Like I came to say this on the show right. Okay, because I have fans and friends and children and family and spouse. But I just don't allow it in. It doesn't mean I don't appreciate it. Actually, I can appreciate that they love me and not feel it if that makes any sense.

And I would like to figure that out. I think that's the thing. If you figure that out, let me know. Because I'm working on it too. Like I really like to figure that out. I think that's the thing. If you figure that out, let me know. Because I'm working on it too. Like I really have to focus on people will give me a compliment. And I will sit there and really work to take it in. Because it's so challenging. It's like it doesn't penetrate.

That's it. Yeah. It doesn't penetrate. Yeah. And I'm with you. I have people around me who love me so very much and it and it's so interesting because I felt I think with me when I when I Talking with you when I'm on stage with people. I want people to feel less alone because I know that's been one of my core pieces is like I've felt so lonely in this world. And I want people to feel less alone. And so that's why I share so openly.

Like, you know, we're so, so similar in so many ways. And, you know, in someone in our position can share about these things. It really does. Like, it gives people hope and it makes them feel less lonely. And so I think that's for me, the loving piece is like, it's almost like, I think my nurturance comes out in that way with other people. And I'm starting to learn how to do it for myself. And then the next part is letting the love of others. And

because I know it's there. It's so obvious. It's the thing. And it's the thing. And for me, it's like It's the thing. And it's the thing. And for me, it's like even talking about it with you and several other people listening helps me because it becomes more apparent to me that I am. It becomes more apparent to me that I should. It's almost like, I've just spent too much of my life. I think everybody might really say,

it's just, I'll get around to that. Like, let me figure all these other things out. And then I'm sure there'll be this time. I'll just sit on a beach somewhere and it's just going to happen. Yeah. But that's not really how it, the reason therapy works so well is like I think you're here and yourself talk more than anything oftentimes. So that's why writing is so great too. Yes. Like you're really working it out for yourself. What would you say to someone who says I kind of share this with you if you I'll make you work at this right now. Someone says I would like to feel a little bit more loved myself.

So don't advise you because you borrow and do it for you. What would you say to him? I'm seeing you, you're looking up, which means you're really thinking. Yes, I am really thinking. What would you answer me? They want to feel more loved. To allow that to happen. Well, I always go back to how deeply are you loving yourself. Because I think ultimately it's this belief that we're not

worthy of it. So the more we can actually love from the inside out, the more we'll believe that we're worthy of the outside in. And so I think that's the new, then that's like I said, that's my next piece or what I'm, what I'm toying with and playing with in my life right now is that I'm being kinder to myself. I'm loving myself more. I'm loving my own choices more.

Like they don't have to be dictated by the outside world. Like I love creating this record and I get so much out of it because it's the connection I have with not only people but myself. Like I'm doing things that I love. So I think it's when we can come from that place, then we start to believe maybe eventually that we're worthy of it from the outside. You know, you're right. The reason that I struggle with it, I'm willing to have a few more minutes you guys like this one is he's just flew by. But I like don't do this to other people. I do it to me. I really

stack my mistakes against myself. I mean, even like stuff people don't know that's a mistake I'm a mistake. You ruminate on your mistakes. Yeah. That's fun. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, but I actually think having friends who share this with you makes it easier. It does. Because I'm like, okay, I'm not completely alone on this. You said about feeling alone, like I'm not alone in this. And I like, I just stack my mistakes. Like, hey, man, like, like, I don't do that with other friends, but like with me, it's like,

you did this, you did this, you didn't do that very well. You didn't do, and then the stuff that I do very well is like, well, of course you do. You're good at that. I don't know. Has anyone relate to what I'm saying right now? Like, well, course you do, you're good at that. I don't know, as anyone relate to what I'm saying, right, I'm like, well of course you're already good at that. That doesn't count. Exactly, it doesn't count. It doesn't count.

Exactly, I could go and stage and do amazing show. It doesn't count, you're already good at that. Yeah, that's what I do. That's crazy. Yeah. It's really a form of crazy. But if I beat my husband at tennis, then I've, that one like really counts.

Isn't that so weird? We're so, you know what, you all have to accept at some point. Being human is just interesting. It is. I say that all the time, and we're like, this is such an interesting thing. It is. And it's, you have to laugh about it at some point. Yes. You know, like all of the all the crazy habits we get ourselves into and the beliefs and at some point, there has to be some humor in it. There has to be humor. And what we said earlier is it's not like a one moment. We're chipping away at ourselves. We're improving.

We're evolving. We're growing. And I think you have to give yourself credit. I do these things I've described much less than I used to. Exactly. Much yes. I just think I had this notion that at some point, there was going to be this aha. I'm like, I'm never going to be down again.

I think I felt that way too. And I think that's kind of the, that's what we're fed, right? Yes. In this world, it's kind of like the, you know, what the lie, the big lie. That is the big lie. Yeah. And the other big lie, by the way, is that you're further from it. So I say this in my book, the Bible says where there's no vision, the people will

perish. Well, you got to dig a little deeper on that. People have vision. Like if I said, do you want to be happier? Sad. What's your vision? Feel like I want to be happy. Do you like to have some money or be poor? I probably like to have some money. Do you want to contribute to make a difference or not? I want to. So you have a vision. The lie is that you're super far away from it. Yes. Because you think it's 25 years away. And so because that's the lie you've believed, you behave and have a pet. You don't, but most people do. They have a pattern. Well, you do one thing with being happy. We're not being depressed. But you keep it so far away. And so you create these patterns in your life to perpetually keep your dreams and your vision that far away

from you. And perhaps this is a breakthrough for me that I don't do it with like achievements, I just do it with emotions. I think I do with emotions. I think I'm just hearing myself say this right now, but like I have a dinner with money or success or a show or I've done it with like the emotion of bliss. I'm like, it's just far away. And so I keep it there.

I get you. And you know what I've been doing recently and I've, we always hear about gratitude list. Yes. And we always, I'm thinking, always think for've, we always hear about gratitude list. Yes. And we always, I'm thinking, always think for myself, like that's the simplest dumbest thing to do. And I did it a long time ago and I remember it really helping. And so I started it about a week ago.

And now I go through my whole day and I'm starting to notice like, I'm really, I'm really grateful for our conversation. I'm really, you know what I'm really grateful for this ice water. Like, I'll start to, it'll start to add up. And it's really helping me. So so simple. Good for me though. But you're saying that, that those, you know, the bliss that you're keeping so far

away from you, it's like, oh, no, there's little moments of joy all the time. All the time. Even amidst the, you know, the anxiety and everything that I have going on. And that's what I loved. I really, I was never gonna get out of this this morning at all. I was gonna come in here because I was like, you know what, I'm gonna enjoy this conversation.

And I'm gonna walk out. They're feeling different. It's like going to the gym sometimes. It's like, once I get there, it's like, oh, this feels really good. So, you know, I think for me, it's, it's, but you helped several million people today. And let me tell you something. Listen to me on this. You're, you're, I think for me it's, it's um, but you helped several million people today. And let me tell you something, listen to me on this.

You're, you're not good at this. You are this. Thank you. You should be doing more of this. Just trust me, I do it. I know when I see it, like I know. Really, I'm really kind of decent at it too. And I know when I see somebody that is,

this will be the most shared show I've ever done, because we've hit on topics that really matter to people, and two people that maybe, in your case anyway, people really look up to, are gonna be like, wow, that was the almost vulnerable conversation between two people I probably ever damn heard, and they don't have every answer, but success leaves clues, there was a bunch of clues in there.

And one or two of these works for me. And keep asking questions. Curiosity is so important. Curiosity is so important. And I remember I used to be such a curious child. And I once again, that innocence piece, it's like our curiosity. That's imagination. It goes, yes, it's just kind of like drifts. And we have to come back to that. Like you start asking questions. I think we're on to it. I'm telling you guys, you've got to start to just give yourself the gift of imagining and dreaming and curiosity and when a history and memory keeps popping. Listen, there's going to be a story for your life. If you keep telling the same story over and over again, you're going to keep repeating the same chapters. If you just start to

imagine or curious about the next chapters, you try some different things. You'll walk on stage at an event, you go, I'm terrified, but I'm going to do this. I'm going to try this new hobby. I'm going to start the, you know, I'm going to get good at CrossFit. I'm going to do whatever it is. I'm going to start writing. I'm going to journal. You're going to find gifts within you that we're always there. You don't have to chase them. They're there, but they'll be revealed to you when you go into these spaces that Leanne's described today. Okay, one last thing. Yes. Speaking of spaces, make sure you go guys get God's work, but also you're going on a Christmas tour. If we don't promote that, we've made a big mistake. So it's December 2nd through the 18th. Where are you going? Like New York, Iowa, East Coast. We'll come back to the West Coast and Oregon. We're going to be in Iowa.

Yeah, East Coast. We'll come back to the West Coast in Oregon. We're going to be in Iowa. I don't remember Oh, we're gonna be in Nashville, the Ryman. So yeah, a bunch of different places, but I always do a holiday tour and I have a Plethora holiday songs I've got some big words. I've got quite the catalog of holiday music. Where do they go figure it out? Where do they go find it? Leigh and Rhymes.com. They can just go find everything on there. I love you. I think you're awesome. Thank you. I had so enjoyed. This is a blast. Me too. I knew I feel so much better now. Good. I did too. Well, a lot of people do. One last question. Someone runs into lean rhymes at Starbucks. You never know, guys. I can have it. It's possible. Hi, but thatically. And they say, Hey,

I have a dream, just like you had. and I would like to make my dream come true. I want to say, I want to paint. I want to start a business. I want a family. I want to be a millionaire. I want to start a shelter for homeless people, whatever it might be. I just would wonder what your advice would be.

If you give me one little piece of advice from someone who's, it's funny, listening to the two of us talk to you, you think neither one of us ever made any of our dreams come true. We've made lots of them come true. It's something you've been incredible at doing. What advice would you give to that person who would ask that question to you?

Oh my gosh. Yeah. For me, like when I think about all that I've created, it's, you're right, the vision is there, it's this desire, whatever is such a deep desire that you are motivated every day to get up and do that thing. And start asking, start getting curious, ask for me, it's like, when I think of how I create a create with energy, create with the universe.

And so it's like, just start asking, show me. And for me, and then that's when you start, that's when life starts getting really interesting because you'll start to meet people or things will start falling into your lab. And that's when you have to just take, you have to go down the path. Like, it will open up to you.

Now you have to walk through the door. And I think that's where, we're, you know, with his belief and we're worthy, as taking our, you know, our vulnerability and our humanity and doing it anyway. That's where all that has to come into play. Because it's interesting how many opportunities we'll miss when we think I should, you know, I'm not worthy of that. Or I can't show up, you know, just as I am today. So I think when you just start asking the questions, the things will show up in your life. It's proven in your brain, everybody. I talk about it in the book, it's your matrix.

It's the RIS. That's why when she said earlier that she's flying, seeing she's grateful for now, those things are, they were always in your awareness. They were in your visual field, your auditory field, your sensory field. You, when you ask and when you're intentional about something, it heightens your sensory acuity, your height, your vision, your auditory, and your kinesthetic begins to touch feel here, see things that were always there that you were oblivious to because they weren't part of your matrix and your intention for. She is a million percent right about it.

Like what a freaking killer conversation. Thank you. It was so good. Was it not unreal? Yay. So good. Share this with everybody. Fastest growing show on the planet.

Number one, why? Awesome. Because it's awesome. That's why. It's awesome. So hey guys, share it with anybody that you love and you care about. And man, I'm grateful for this.

Thank you for being here. Thanks for having me. I'm glad you came in anyway today. It's really good. And man, I'm grateful for this. Thank you for being here, too. Thanks for having me. I'm glad you came in anyway today. It's really good. All right, everybody. God bless you. Max out. This is The End My Let's Show.

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