THE ED MYLETT SHOW - How To Live Longer & Grow Rich With A.I. w/ Peter Diamandis

Episode Date: September 26, 2023

This is how we will ALL LIVE Longer and BETTER lives!Science and AI are busting down the door and father-time better watch out!On today’s episode of The Ed Mylett Show, I’m bringing on PETER DIAMANDIS to explain how technological advances in science, AI, and entrepreneurship will be able to extend the average life span by DECADES.Buckle up for a remarkable and wide-ranging discussion about WELLNESS, LONGEVITY, HEALTH, SCIENCE, and more.In a world that often focuses on bad news, negativity and so much that brings us down, Peter is a contrarian because he is GENUINELY EXCITED by where we’re headed in the FUTURE.His vision is backed by his actions, because Peter has started over 20 companies and invested $250 million in the areas of longevity, space, venture capital, and education. His track record is unrivaled, validated by the fact that he has also been named by Fortune as one of the WORLD’S 50 GREAT LEADERS and is a 3x New York Times Bestselling author.Peter shares hiss extraordinary insights about:HOW, WHY and WHEN we will expand the average life-span by decades3 SECRETS to living your best lifeAdvancements in GENETICS, HORMONES, and TOTAL PLASMA EXCHANGEThe shifting role of AI in HealthcareGroundbreaking advancements in ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCEHow to shape your MINDSET and define your PURPOSE?Identifying the world’s BIGGEST BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIESThis is a mind-blowing conversation the entire world needs to hear! This is cutting-edge research and insights that can help you reshape the trajectory of your life.Watch NOW to dig into the SCIENCE OF ABUNDANCE AND LONGEVITY. 

This is the end mileage show. I welcome back to the show everybody, so I have somebody sitting across from me that I've wanted to talk to you for probably a decade. And I have to be honest with you all and say that I had to kind of chase him to get him here today a little bit. It took a while. And we've been talking off camera. We have a lot in common about the way we're currently living our lives.

And I think also we share a little bit of a vision of how we'd like to live our lives going forward. And this is somebody who can help you do that. The way I would phrase him is I think he's visionary. He's incredibly bright. When you go to Harvard and then Harvard, Med and MIT, in your backgrounds in molecular genetics, you're probably's in molecular genetics. You're probably a pretty bright guy.

My mom says so. And she's correct. And as I've spent more time researching him and his work, I'm absolutely fascinated. So today we're going to want an unbelievable journey about longevity and health, abundance in your life, building an exponential company. We're going to kind of go all over the place this hour

with someone who's very capable of doing it. So Peter, D.A. Man is welcome to the show. Ed, a pleasure. So good to have you. I want to go and do it. I want three hours with you, but I'll take the hour because that's what we promised the audience. But start with something simple.

You believe this is the best time ever to be alive. 100%, which is a contrary and thought, because most people, there's a lot of people right now going, I don't know if I want to even bring kids into this world. I know. And I ask what world are you looking at? Now, one of the challenges our brains are in mind to be 100 billion neurons, 100 trillion synaptic connections. And our minds are constantly being molded by what we watch on TV,

who we speak to, the conversations we have, our experiences. And if you're waking up every day and you're watching CNN, which I call the Crisis News Network or the constantly negative news network, you're gonna be in a constant state of fear and scarcity. And the question is, you know, the news, whether it's, you know, your daily newspaper

or the radio, TV, not the show, but it's going to be delivering you stuff that captures your attention. Their business has delivered your eyeballs to their advertisers. And we pay 10 times more attention to negative news and positive news. And that's for evolutionary reasons. Back 100,000 years ago, if you missed a piece of negative news, you were dead. Your jeans were at the jean pool. If you missed a piece of good news, well, that's too bad. So we have a piece of our brain called the amygdala that pays 10 times more attention to negative news. And the old adage if it bleeds, it leads is very true. And so if you're constantly hearing all

this negative news, of course, you're going to think the world is awful. But what you're not seeing is all the amazing news. Like, I just finished, I run every year a longevity platinum trip where I take a group of investors, family offices, venture capitalists, philanthropists, and we visit. One year at the East Coast, when you're the West Coast, we're just in Boston, Cambridge, New York, New Hampshire, visiting the most extraordinary scientists, startups, entrepreneurs who are working to add decades onto our health span. It is miraculous what's going on out there in longevity. You know, if you think you're only gonna make it

to 80 or 90 and you're in reasonably good health today, guess again, we're gonna add decades onto your health this life. We'll talk about that. But it's amazing what's going on. At the same time, across almost every area. Right? I mean, the fact that individuals today, anyone with a smartphone, has access to all the

world's information for free. Right? Better than the heads of nations had just 10, 20 years ago. You have access to artificial intelligence for free. You have more access to computation and storage on your cell phone that maybe you paid $3, $4, $500 bucks for it. You have what you and I would have spent probably what, $10, $20, $50,000 in terms of gizmos, two way video conferencing for free.

All of this stuff. But we takeencing for free. All of this stuff, but we've taken for granted. And on top of that, you know, we're creating a world of abundant energy. We're seeing exponential growth in solar. We've had breakthroughs in fusion. And all of those things bring, you know, energy tips, positive economic growth. And I can go on forever.

My first book called Abundance, The Future's Better You Think, which came out in 2012, Chronicles, this incredible movement. And I'm about to release a sequel to that called Scaling Abundance, probably the end of this year. I'll come back, we can talk about it. We love that. We love that. And the story's just gotten much better.

So yes, if you're watching the news networks and honestly, they couldn't pay me enough to listen to what they're feeding the public. I don't play anymore either. I don't know anymore. By the way, you set me up perfectly because these are the things I want to ask you about. Literally, every single of those things you've listed, including the abundance. By the way, his most recent book is called Exponential Organizations 2.0, the new playbook for 10X Growth and Impact.

It's so good. I want to start with the aging thing. Someone's 50 years old right now. Let's take 50. Then we'll do 30. Someone's 50 years old right now. They're in reasonably good health, and maybe they've got a decent financial status where they can get access to the most cutting-edge things that are forthcoming or currently exist.

Within a ratio that's reasonable. How long do you think someone who's 50 years old right now will more than likely live? Why? Yeah, so let's take it in slices here. First, there's no reason not to make it well past 100. The oldest human recorded today is 122. The conversation I just had when I was in Cambridge the last few days with folks like George Church and David Sinclair, both at Harvard Med School,

two of the rock stars in this field. I opened with the question, is there an upper limit to human life? Is there a ceiling that we can't go through? And incredibly, they said, no, there is not upper limit, that we will see and can see 150 or 200 years old. There's this constant call on Jevviti escape velocity. And what does it mean? Well, today, for every year that you're live, science is extending your lifespan for about an additional quarter to a third of a year, right? Because of breakthroughs, better diagnostics and so forth. And it's growing. And so there's going to be a point that for every

year that you're alive, science is going to add more than a year to your life. And so the question ultimately is when are we going to reach this thing called on Javiti's capability? Ray Kurzweil believes it is in the next 10 to 12 years, George Church, you know, next 15 to 20 years. So someone who's 50 today staying in good health through 70 is likely to intercept all the breakthroughs that will give them an additional 30 years and a minimum. Isn't that incredible?

But during that additional 30 years, we then have all these other breakthroughs coming. You know, AI, we're talking about AI all over the place, I'm working in it deeply, investing deeply, it is going to deliver extraordinary breakthroughs. I'll give a couple of other ways of thinking of this. When I was in medical school many years ago, I remember watching a TV show on Long-Lived Sea Life that Bo-Hit-Wales could live 200 years. The Greenland shark could live 500 years, could have pups at 200 years old, right? Sea turtles could live that long and perhaps longer.

And I remember thinking if they could live that long, why can't I? And the answer came to mind was it's either a hardware problem or a software problem. And this is the decade where we're gonna start to understand how to tinker and fix those problems. What are some of those tinkers? So is it CRISPR, is it genetic editing?

What do you think the main things are? And then by the way, does that mean that you think of someone's 30? They may go hit 130 or 150. I do. I do think that people who are youthful today, right? My 12- I have two 12-year-old boys. I think they could have an indefinite lifespan, potentially. Indefinite lifespan. And that's a hard thing to say, and I'm a hardcore scientist.

But yet, I believe that, and we can come back and dissect that a little bit more. So you have to think about bridges of stages, if you would. Ray Kurzweil wrote a book called Fantastic Voyage, Had to Live Long Enough to Live Forever. It's a beautiful book. It's a little bit dated now, but a beautiful book. He talks about bridges, stage one, bridge one, bridge two, bridge three, bridge one right now, is, we'll talk about this, is what I do aggressively, and I'm sure you do, which is diet, exercise, sleep, supplements and meds, mindset, fundamental things to do. Do you do any peptide stuff? I do.

I will be doing more of it, and we can talk about it. I've got one of my companies, Fountain Life, is basically my means by evaluating all technologies out there and scanning them and delivering them in the safest fashion. But peptides are a very important tool for messaging in the body. So the fundamentals of sleep diet exercise mindset, those elements, and not dying from something stupid, which I'll talk about. That's bridge one. And it's the fundamentals that everyone should be and could be doing today. It takes some work, right? I mean, getting into the gym three times a week, making sure that you get your eight hours of sleep,

making sure that you don't feast on donuts. I've had that debate with Elon and Twitter too much. By the way, Peter walked in. First thing I noticed about him, I just want to interject is to say that I said to him, I had no idea you were so ripped sexy and tripped. But it's a direct vote when you walked in. By the way, he embodies, no pun intended, what he's actually describing right here. And I'd like to think that I try to do that as well. But I'm for 62, I'm doing, as well. But I'm doing incredible for 62,

whether you don't look 62. So the second thing is the stage two, and stage two is the therapeutics that are coming. And you know, include stem cells, right? Stem cells are the regenerative engine of our body. When we're born, we have a huge supply of stem cells in every compartment of our body. Our muscles, our brains, our fat, our skin. And as we grow older, our stem cell populations reduce by 100 to 1000 fold.

And as you lose your stem cells, you lose that regenerative engine to go in and repair. And your stem cells get older. There are ways of stem cell supplementation. We can talk about that. One of the biggest areas is an area called epigenetic reprogramming, which is exciting. By the way, all of this stuff about regenerative medicine of slowing, stopping, even reversing aging would have been considered, you know, insane five years ago. That's right. The acceleration of this industry and what's coming that was once like pie in the sky insane that's now actually present to even some of the peptides

of the MOTCs and these other peptides that are now they exist now. They exist now available, accessible. Sort of think five or eight more years exist now. They exist and now available, accessible. So to think five or eight more years from now, it's not outrageous to say the things that you're saying. And if you were a scientist working in the field of age reversal five years ago, you were frowned on, you were quacky, you were quacky, and now it's the hottest topic in the world, right?

And we're seeing the amount of capital flowing into these research areas, increasing rapidly. So epigenetic modification. So think of this. When you're born, and when you're 20, when you're 50, when you're 80, when you're 100, you have the same genes. Your instructions for your body haven't changed. So why don't you look ripped like when you're 20?

When you're at an age of a hundred. Well, it's not the genes you have. It's which genes are on and which genes are off, right? It's the control of those genes that what's called the epigenetics, epi from the Greek word above of your genetics. And so as we grow older, what occurs is this drift of our epigenetics where the wrong genes get turned on and the right genes are turned off and the system is not working optimally. We were never designed as humans to live past age 30, just to put it on the table, 100,000 years ago, during, you know, if we ask when did cavemen and women exist? They talked about 100K years ago, was roughly that time frame of early hominids. You'd go into puberty at 12 and you were

pregnant by age 13, right? And then by the time you were 26, 27, 28, your baby was having a baby, you were a grandparent. And if the most important thing for the species was to pass on your genome, the worst thing you wanted to do is have the grandparent stick around and steal food from the grand children's mouths before we had McDonald's, a whole foods around, to make food abundant. Food was scarce back then. And so you would die. And that was a challenge, right? And so ultimately, what we found was your body starts degrading after 30.

Your body starts going into a slow shutdown and a epigenetic drift. Our skin gets regally, we put on more body, and all the things that we all know all too well. Let's go through that. It's really quick. I want to stay on that for a minute. Let's take the three things to me. There's this, the genes getting turned on and off. Yep. That's one area. And we're now entering a time where, you know, even things like cancer, turning that gene off in somebody is not outrageous to think that that's forthcoming. So there's the genetic part of it. Then there's the hormonal part of it, at least to me. Of course, no, absolutely,

as these hormones deteriorate your testosterone levels, but those are when you talk about that. So that's, I think, for me the second piece. And then there's also sort of this work that's being done in the stem cell area and the blood area, like this plasma ferrous stuff. I want to just speak to those three areas. Yeah. So, well, a lot to talk about here. So, one of the organizations I started with 20 Robins a few years ago called Fountain Life. I serve as executive chairman and Tony is a co-founder and my board member there. We're building these centers around the world. We have four in the United States now. We'll have nine by the end of next year and then growing throughout North America, Europe, into the Middle East.

And these are centers where you go for the most advanced diagnostics and then therapeutics. So what I think about founton life in the first bridge is what I call not dying from something stupid. Okay. Alright, so most people, if I asked you, do you know what's actually going on inside your body? And most people would say, no, actually, we're optimists to begin with. We think we're fine. But we don't actually know. And the body is really amazingly good at hiding disease. Let me give you some numbers. 70% of all individuals have heart attacks, have no precinct, no shortness of breath, nothing on their CT scan, nothing their first indication is a heart attack and half those people die. So it turns out that it's not the calcified plaque that kills you, it's the soft plaque

in the arteries on the side that can evulse and block a coronary artery and you're out of the game. So 70%, so unless you look, you don't know. 70% of the cancers that kill people are not routinely screened for. And when you do have some kind of a symptom from cancer, you're already at stage three or four, where the chances of recovery have diminished tremendously. Parkinson's, for example, you don't have any shaking until 70% of the substantial nigra. Your body is, your body is really great at hiding disease. And so people say, I don't want to know.

And I'm like, Bullshit, of course, you want to know. You want to know as early as you can because you can do something about it. So, on one side of the equation at the Fountain Life Center is people come in as a membership and we do an upload 150 gigabyte deep dive, full body MRI, brain, brain vasculature, blood flow, coronary CT with AI, Dexascan, 100 blood biomarkers, philogenomics, it's everything about you, right? And two goals there, one, is there anything going on

inside your body right now that you need to know about? Okay, and then the second is what's likely to happen to you so we can prevent it. In the first category, from our first 4,000 members, we did the study, 2% of them, seemingly healthy adults, have a cancer that they don't know about. 2.5% have an aneurysm and 14.4% have some major finding they need to take care of immediately. So that's the diagnostic side. The diagnostics are getting better and better.

And better. 50. Okay, so actually 55. So it's people who are younger, my advice is at least come get a baseline. Right. We've had a lot of people who we found significant heart disease in their 30s or an aneurysm or a early cancer get a baseline and then maybe do it every two years. If you're over 50, I go every single year from my upload.

So do I, different places? Yeah. So do I. The second side of what we're doing is advanced therapeutics. And so what are we doing now? We would set me off on this as you mentioned total plasma exchange. So total plasma exchange is a technology where you basically hook yourself up to a machine. It pulls out two liters of blood. It spins out the red cells and the white cells.

What's left is the plasma, which typically has a lot of waste products in it. And that two liters of plasma is tested but discarded and replaced with albumin and saline. But one thing we are standing up right now was an FDA study where we're going to be adding not just regular albumin and saline, but we're going to be adding umbilical cord plasma. So you've heard of the young blood experiments, right? And so this is the youngest blood possible. This is umbilical cord, right, from newborn plasma with all the growth factors that's added

in back with your replacement fresh plasma. We're also standing up studies for stem cells and exosomes. The challenge is that a lot of this has never been fully done under rigorous scientific evaluation. And that's one thing that we're doing in our edge program at Fountain because our members want to be part of this, want to be part of the science. So they have every year they're fully uploaded. We have lots of longitudinal data of everything in detail on their body. We can then do these therapeutics and then measure

actually, was it of any value? Yeah. Did it change anything, right? Versus just crossing your fingers and hoping for it, right? Right. So we're doing banking of your stem cells and other other elements. You're never as young as you are today. So you want to go ahead and bank yourself. I want everybody just, I want to jump in. I want everybody to just hear this because these are things right now, you, you guys spent a couple bucks to do. But like anything in medicine, the more these tests are done,

the greater the volume, the lower the barrier of entry will be financially for people. So these are things that you should be researching now, and if you can afford them, you should go do. I go do. Same time, they're forthcoming for most people, in my opinion, relatively soon. Let me tell you what I'm excited about. So it's found in life.com, if people are interested.

We are, we've just stood up, something called, found in health solutions, right? So it's a health insurance captive, which we provide the same type of health insurance for companies of 50 or more. But we add all the advanced testing for your employees. So our goal is not to do the payouts. Our goal is to prevent the health incidents in the first place. And the savings that we have for finding a disease early, we pour that back in for advanced testing. Right.

So, I mean, the challenge is, of course, you know, fire insurance pays you after your house burns down. Life insurance pays your next kid after your dad and health insurance pays you after six so want to flip that with these advanced. Well, really isn't it? Isn't it? Basically, we're moving out of being, you know, post-disease treatment into preventative care. Yeah, it's going. It's going. It's exactly right. It's going from reactive to proactive. Do you think chemotherapy will exist in 15 years? Oh, not. I think we have a good shot at exist in 15 years? Oh, not. I think we have a good shot at really addressing cancer

this decade in a lot of ways. The idea that there's a particular set of cells somewhere in your body, and you have to poison the entire body to get to them is pathetic. I saw in our longevity platinum trip we just did, like three or four different approaches that were spot on, right? You know, it was not chemotherapy.

It was attacking specifically those cancer cells. When everybody just to hear this because I'm excited, I'm sitting here. I think one of the reasons that you're even hearing me speak right now is that I've had access to some of this technology. When I was very young, when these full body MRIs started to come out, the weaker form of them, there's better ones now, but I was already riddled with soft plaques in my body. Just getting your labs drawn. Some of you are 30 years old, you've never even had your labs drawn, just to know, you know, your big particle HDL, small particle, not just this generic stuff in your cholesterol. Do you have any lipoprotein A in your blood?

Like these things that are real markers that you need to know. And fortunately for me, I did know. This genetic testing, I have really crappy genetics on both sides of my family, but I know what I'm predisposed to. There are things you can do to head these things off that are very basic things now for somebody like you, Peter, but for the mass population, it's not. And there are a lot of questions for you because like, if everyone's living to 150 years,

we triple the world's population, how's food going to work, but I want to go there yet. I want to- Let me hit two other quick points for those, right? Fountain life is a lot of imaging, a lot of genetics, a whole bunch. It's the most exhaustive diagnostics and therapeutics, and it's not cheap. If you can afford it, it's the cheapest money you can afford. Tony Robbins and I stood up a company called My Life Force, which is just the blood testing, and it's really about maintaining vitality, and so go to MyLifeForce.com, and it's a lower cost

product, but at a minimum, you should be doing, it's 40 biomarkers, and it's looking at, you know, where are you on your home on the levels and so forth, and it's a phlebanumus comes to your home and takes it and gives you a dash board and so forth, or goes someplace. But I think not to know is not reasonable anymore because it's fascinating to me that most people that listen to my show, they try to eat clean, most of them, they train and work out, and then it stops there. And what I think I'm trying to alert everybody to today is that you're now thinking like someone who lived 25 years ago

who went to the gym and ate chicken and rice or whatever you did. Like, we're way past this now, guys. Chicken and broccoli. Chicken and broccoli. Yeah, eat the broccoli, don't eat the carbs. But, you know, guys, we're way past this. guys. Chicken and broccoli. Chicken and broccoli, right? Yeah, eat the broccoli, don't eat the carbs. But you know guys, we're way past this. The river of life is your blood.

At least get that looked at. If you can get these full body MRIs, if you can find out of it, the day I went to have mine, the man in front of me, they found an aneurysm that he probably had about 48 hours that was gonna go on him. It saved his life.

The day I was there, it wasn't me, it was the person who went in before me. Unfortunately, I had the flip situation if a turn of your brother, mine was gonna be going went in before. Unfortunately, I had the flip situation. If your turn of your brother, my mind was going to be going down to one of our centers about 30 days out and you died in a sleep. Oh, my God. And it's, it, we have saved hundreds of lives. And, you know, when you end up somewhere with a pain inside and the doctor comes down and says, I'm sorry to tell you this, you've got so and so, it didn't happen that morning, right?

It's been going on for some time. I did something I just offer out to your readers. I ended up writing a 60 page, very readable booklet called Peter's Longevity Practices that everything I do in diet, exercise, sleep, mindset, supplements, meds, imaging. And it's free. And I want nothing for it other than to pass on out of reading hundreds of health and diet books.

It's like, what really matters? It's the basics. It's the stuff that you know, right? It's minimize your sugar, maximize your plant intake. You know, it's exercise. It's eight hours a sleep. It's the basics, but with the details. And if folks want that, just go to demandus.com slash longevity.

And it's a free download. There's nothing more important than your health. You inspire me. So one of the reasons I wanted you sitting there was one, I like to feel like I'm learning from the cutting edge and when I think of you that's actually the term that comes to me almost obsessed with the cutting edge. I mean I've even I've even had had well I look forward to our friendship and I do as well because I want to get

into these conversations because I even here Tony sometimes tease you about how cutting edge you do think how much you want to push it and I love that you. And so the merging of these two worlds is you went you set me up perfectly in the beginning. So there's the longevity piece, the health piece, the wellness piece combined with this the future I guess the future is happening now. And so faster and faster. You also brought up AI. So I recently had Mo Gadad on the show. I love Mo. Mo Gadadad have a few projects together. I love him as well. He seems more skeptical and concerned about the advancements in AI than you do.

And so you have a, I think, a different perspective about it as well. So I'd like you to, because there's a convergence of these worlds. I actually think there's a correlation between AI and healthness and longevity and wellness. Of course. of these worlds. I actually think there's a correlation between AI and healthness and longevity and loneliness. There is. AI will be the single greatest contributor to our longevity. It'll drive the breakthroughs. The amount of data that we're gathering from all the genetic experiments and CRISPR experiments and manipulations. The human brain can't fathom it. AI is the only tool we have to do that. So I've known Mo for a decade or more since he was at Google and loved his book, Solfer Happy. And then when he wrote Scary Smart, I consumed it.

I read it twice and called him. And we're working on a project together. So I'm actually much more aligned with him than you might imagine. So I think AI is the single greatest tool for humanity ever. It's Sundar, the CEO of Google said it's more power, more powerful than electricity or fire. And I agree, the way I say it, there are going to be two kinds of companies at the end of

this decade. Those full utilizing AI and those that are out of business. Right? It's that, it's like not using the web or not using a phone if you're an entrepreneur. So you have to become fluid, you have to experiment. I mean, you can go to AI and ask it any question, right? Like, what question should I ask you? You know, it's a beautiful tool. So, in the long run, I'm very pro AI. I don't believe, I mean, I think Mo and I

on the same side that there's two, so let's divide AI into three parts. There's AI today, you know, the GPT-4 and chat GPT and the various variations of that. And it's great. And if it stayed just here, I'd be super happy with it. But it's going to progress. And then the next phase is what's called AGI, artificial general intelligence, where AI is at the human level.

And then it progresses very quickly to ASI, artificial superintelligence. And I believe that the more intelligent a system becomes, the more pro life it is, The more pro respect and support, the Hollywood not a few miles from us has made its business in dystopian scenarios of the Terminator. But there's no reason for super advanced AI to want to harm us. I think that if anything, we'll see AI be bored with

us and move on its own her, which is a great movie scenario at the end when the AI becomes super intelligent. The AI... Let me challenge you for a second. I'm going to ask you about that. Okay. One of the things most said to me, because I agree. But one of the things most said to me was, I'm not concerned about the machines. I'm concerned about the people that are scrolling the machines. So that's different. So that is advanced superintelligence.

For me is the 10 years out. The near term, it's the one to 10 year horizon. When I put one because of the 2024 elections, which Mo calls patient zero, it is humans using AI for nefarious purposes. So it's not artificial intelligence, it's human stupidity I'm concerned about. And I agree with him there.

We're going to see AI used by bad actors to take down a power plant, take down a Wall Street server, drive fake news. We're going to see these negative iterations occurring, and that's the challenging part. How does that challenge? We've already had a little of this, but of someone every day living their lives, being able to distinguish between the algorithm feeding them something and truth and falsehoods. That's a really serious, significant challenge to this among all of the ancillary tremendous benefits.

So one of the phrases I use and I teach entrepreneurs is the world's biggest problems are the world's biggest business opportunities. Love it. I love it. I want to become a billionaire, help a billion people, that's the kind of mindset. There are going to be real challenges around this. There are a multitude of companies working on how do I slay them? How do I really understand whether it's going to be using blockchain or some other, you

know, throwing any other fancy exponential tech that you want to throw into the equation to try and solve it. But how do you solve it? How do you demonstrate something that's actually truthful versus a deep fake or whether it's been stretched or how do you keep them being in an echo chamber? One of the things I wrote about in my first book was this idea of cognitive biases. We all have these cognitive biases in our brain. Our brain can't handle all of the data it receives.

And so over the years, we've created these cognitive biases like we pay more attention to negative and use than positive and use. We like someone who looks like us more than someone who doesn't look like us. We give more value to recent information than past information. And we don't actually realize how much our brain is biased in these ways. And so AI, you'll be able to flip a switch that says, you know, alert me to when I have my cognitive biases and keep me straight and tell you that something is false or doesn't have

a high gold standard of authenticity to it. So there's going to be these tools that can help us. And again, don't forget, we tend to see the negative dystopian aspects of everything way early. We see problems 10 years ahead and we accelerate them to today and we get scared shitless by them. But we forget we're going to have a lot of ability before they actually get here to have entrepreneurs solve these problems. I define an entrepreneur as someone who finds a problem and solves it. So I remain hopeful.

I am concerned. There's no question that I'm concerned about the dystopian uses of AI. I'm also want to get, and I'm involved in AI alignment. And this is an area I'm working with a few different AI experts. How do I make sure that these, this artificial general intelligence

and this artificial super intelligence is aligned with humanity's interests? Right, right there. That's the right, right there. Yeah, and so that has to be, you know, Mo, for those who have not heard Mo on Ed's show, please go find it and listen to it. He's amazing.

You know, one of the analogies he uses please go find it and listen to it. He's amazing. One of the analogies he uses is that we are the parents of this AI, right? And it's our responsibility to teach it. And we've been teaching it passively by all the things are on the web. It's been scraping the web and it finds hate speech. It finds biases. It finds all of these things.

So we have to become more tuned and more intentional about how we're teaching these AI. Particularly right now in my view. It's the next two years. It's the next two years because that sets the course for its brain going forward. It's theoretical moral compass going forward. I have two worries about it. I want to ask you about the second one. We've addressed the first one. It is a bad actor getting a hold of it in some way and biasing it in a particular direction. The second one is how it's going to affect labor and work. Human beings ability to earn a living. I had this thing

that I was reading that you talked about that this is from you. You can correct me if I quoted this wrong, but Goldman predicted robots. I'll have $154 billion in revenue the next 15 years, these humanoids, right? So that tells me that's revenue that's come from somewhere else too. So I'm concerned about the world as we know it, people being able to make a living in so many different industries that we just there may not be a necessity for them. Or do you have this optimistic view that new industries will be created as a result of this technology that will just replace data industries like we have in every other revolution, people find a way to employment.

Let me dissect my thinking and you can tell me how you feel about it. First of all, you asked a question earlier about if we're living longer, are we tripling the population of the planet? And Elon talks eloquently about this. I put the data out as well. The biggest challenge we have is not going to be over a population of planet Earth. It's underpopulation. I would understand it.

I'll give you the numbers. So 50 years ago, globally, the average was 5.4 children per family across all nations globally. And as how many years ago? 50 years ago. And what we've seen now today is that number is dropped from 5.4 children per family. The replacement level is 2.1. Okay, accounting for childhood mortality and so forth. Today we've gone from 5.4 globally to 2.4 globally.

People are having less children. The U.S. is below the replacement level. Most of Europe is below the replacement level. Italy is way below the replacement level as is Japan and China and so forth. So the majority of all nations, the vast majority are having less children than required to maintain the population. Africa is the only continent to retire and it will also come down as it becomes higher, educate, and economics improve and health improve. Things that's correlated right between the two.

And we're going to peak at 9.5 billion, have a very rapid decline. So the question becomes the bigger challenge is we're going to have the labor to maintain standards of living in 20, 30, 40, 50 years. And it's going to be robots and AI. So now the question is, the biggest concern I have is not are people doing work because a lot of people doing work they don't want to do, right? I mean, we're lucky in what we do. But if you're cleaning toilets and waiting tables and what you really wanted to do was

something else, and you're doing the labor to put food on the table in terms of your family. What you dream of as a kid that you wanted to do. And the biggest challenge for me is going to be how do we maintain purpose in people's lives, right? So one of the books that will be early 2024, book with me is Mindset Master. It's really about purpose. It's really what mindset do you have, and how do you shape your mindset, right? Again, our brains are neural nets. What we feed our brains shapes the way we deal with opportunities and challenges. What we see, what we hear, feel and see, RIS kicks in and where it's finding

what we most deeply believe. Exactly right. And so, am I worried about displaced jobs? Yes. I think that what we're going to start to see is human AI co-pilot's collaboration, where in the field of medicine to be very specific, it'll be malpractice soon to diagnose a patient without having AI fully in the loop.

Yeah. Right. I mean, and there's, when my dad passed about five years ago and he had had pretty advanced neurodegenerative disease, he had broken his hip and a broken hip, as you know, is a very, you know, it's a large percentage of people are dead within a year. It's the beginning of the end, right? He had cardiovascular issues. And so my mom and my sister's an amazing physician and myself were in there and been in the hospital

in years. And the doctors and nurses would come in, look at the numbers on the machine, and then walk out. And I'm like, huh? What's wrong with this picture? And what I really want is AI to do all of that. And I want the doctors and nurses

to humanize the experience. There's a saying, there's a saying, automate the routine and humanize the exception. So there's a saying, well, there's a saying, automate the routine and humanize the exception. Right, so there's a partnership to be had there. Wow, you flipped that for me right there, because I saw it going the other direction, as much less of a humanization of the processes that we'd be involved with, but to your point,

if they can handle the process part, the humanizing of the interactions we have with others and these businesses, particularly medicine and even law. Everything. Yeah, everything. Yeah everything is like you know big That's interest human personal person connection Well, and then world needs more of it. Can I just say something to you? Sure the world needs more of your perspective on this I think I'm I'm I knew today would be extraordinary But actually a couple of these I call them actually my own biases regarding a couple of these things. You're challenging them.

And I'm not, I'm not easily flipped, but I actually tend to agree with both things you said regarding the population, food, AI. I actually, I feel a little bit better right now. Thank you. That's my, I interrupted you. I wanted them to inject optimism dosage. Yeah. It, going back, it is the most amazing time ever to be alive. Do we have problems?

Absolutely. We've got issues on mental health. We've got obesity problems at the same time that we have a billion people under fed. We have still the threat of nuclear war. We have all kinds of problems. But would I rather deal with those problems with the tech we have today versus 30 years ago? Wow, great point, right? So 30 more years from now. Exactly. We're three more years from now. So that's it. We are getting more and more powerful tools to solve the challenges that

we have today. And that keeps me hopeful. You have a particular mindset and in your book about abundance, you list these different mindsets and I'm actually kind of watching you embody them actually as you're talking. So I'll read them and then just tell us a little bit about them, right? So you believe mindsets like maybe the most valuable asset that we can have. The way I say it is, if you look at Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, and you said, what made them successful? They're money, they're friends, they're tech, or they're mindset. Right? Just answer that question and you say, well, mindset, of course.

Hey, great. Then if mindsets the most important thing you have for being a leader, then my next question is what mindset do you have? Where did you get it? And what mindset do you actually want and need for the decade ahead? This is the biggest thing that I do work with people on. And a lot of these mindsets were installed in us when we were defenseless as children. Right. Not only are mindset, but our emotional imprinting as well, which leads to some of our mindsets and they feed one another.

Or passively while you're, you know, veging out watching TV. A hundred percent. It's still being fed to us and we're sort of these targets. In the book, just talk about this a little bit. Abundance, exponential, moon shot longevity. These are different mindsets.

Guys, listen to the goodness, man. It's worth it. I'm serious. So good. We evolved on man. It's worth it. I'm serious. So good. We evolved on the savannas of Africa during a period of fear and scarcity. Those mindsets that we had, and they're wired into our brain.

We fear because being in a state of fear saved our lives most of the time. Right? Again, if you saw a a Russell in the leaves, you thought, lying, you didn't think, wind. And one time out of ten, it would save your life. And so fear was an ever-present state. And scarcity, because, well, food was scarce. It really was.

You didn't know where your next meal was coming from. And so it's wired deeply into us. The opposite is an optimistic and abundance mindset. And we truly are living in a world of abundance. People may not realize it because they're not looking or paying attention, but across everything, access to food, right? I mean, honestly, you can get any fruit on the planet instantly, you know, all the time, delivered by Uber in 30 minutes. I mean, holy moly, that's incredible, right?

That's incredible. And, you know, energy and access to health and information and AI. So we're living in this massive world of abundance. And optimism, again, you just have to think about what was life even just 100 years ago. Right, we had none of what we consider modern day Activities no no TV no electricity no phones none of this stuff New York was buried in horse manure It was the biggest environmental disaster 100 years ago was the horse manure disaster I mean it was insane. It's stank in Manhattan So It's stank in Manhattan. So we are gone from fear and scarcity mindset to those who want to see the world in abundance mindset and the abundance mindset says listen, if you got a pie and an extra friends chore for dinner instead of just slicing the pie into thinner and thinner slice it which is a scarcity mindset let's just bake

more pies right and the realization is that technology is a force that turns whatever was scarce into abundance I'll give you an example there's an orange tree and I pick the lowest oranges off the branches, I'm 5'4, 5'4 1.5, I'm going to have that 1.5 inch in there. You know, all of a sudden oranges become scarce until I invent a piece of technology called a ladder. It gives me higher reach. Now they're abundant again. We used to kill whales on the ocean to get whale oil.

That was our energy source for lighting our nights. Then we ravaged mountain sides. Then we drilled kilometers under the ground in the ocean for oil. And now we're bathed by 8,000 times more energy from the sun than we consume as a species in a year. And then fusion is coming. We have the massive amount of squanderable abundance of energy. So that's the abundance mindset.

What is really scarce? No, bullshit. It's not scarce. You just haven't figured out how to make it abundant yet. All right. So what's the next mindset? Exponential mindset. This one's a challenge because we are wired for linear thinking. So if I said to someone, listen, can you point on the ground where you're going to be in 10 steps? You can pretty much point where you're going to be in 20 steps or 30 steps. You're really good at linear projection. Our brains are wired. Can I get to that tree before the lion gets to me? That wiring is amazing. But we're living in a world of exponential growth, computation,

storage, all of these things. What's exponential mean? It means a simple doubling. One, two, four, eight, sixteen, thirty-two. This is also refers to as Moore's Law, the amount of computational power, doubling per dollar every 18 months. Well, in 30 linear steps, you're 30 meters away. In 30 exponential steps, you're not 30 meters away. Yeah, right, you have literally gone around the planet 26 times.

You're a billion meters away. And that disconnect between linear thinking and exponential thinking is what can shock or surprise us. It's what put serious out of business, right? It's what put Barnes and Noble out of business, right? Blockbuster out of business. It's, you know, interesting. Netflix, blockbuster had two opportunities to buy Netflix.

And it passed on it twice. I don't go into it. It's a long story. Why didn't... Anyway, what we're seeing here is linear thinking humans, not understanding exponential growth, which is giving this amazing world that we have, but can disrupt your business if you're not thinking. So I try and teach people

entrepreneurs in particular how to think abundantly, how to take your products and services, digitize them, dematerialize them, demonetize them, democratize them, or how to think exponentially. Moonshot thinking is builds on both of those, and most of the world is trying to go 10% bigger. Like in our core businesses and our typical entrepreneurial mindset is like, if I can just do 10% more revenue, right? It'd be awesome or 10% lower my cost or whatever it might be. And that's fine.

And that's what everyone's trying to do and you're trying to compete against them. In a moonshot mindset, you know, scrap that. I want to go 10 times bigger, which is a thousand percent. And the realization is, if you're going to try and go 10 times bigger, you can't do it by working harder. You can't do it by just doing the same thing you're doing in the same way. You have to literally discard what you've been doing and start from the clean sheet of paper. Right? So this is, you know, it Elon's been so extraordinary in. And I've watched him at SpaceX from the very beginning, where, you know, he wanted to go and build a space business.

He wanted to go to Mars and he travels back, I was with him back in 2001. He travels to Russia to go and buy a Russian rocket to launch, originally, a mouse around Mars later on, land a plant on the Martian surface He goes there and here they see someone had just sold PayPal to eBay and here's this American with money And they try and rip them off on the prize, you know These are ICBMs. These are intercontinental ballistic missiles where the warhead comes off and you put your your payload on and he's An engineer's engineer. he's brilliant beyond belief.

His success is not surprising. He says, this is ridiculous. They want me to pay the ridiculous amount of money for 50-year-old ICBMs. He comes back and he starts with a clean sheet of paper. Reinvent the industry says, no, the rocket engines need to be completely reusable, the stages if you're usable, and he basically goes 10 times better versus 10% better.

And has dominated the industry, right? It's like, what are the world leaders in terms of space business? It's China, it's the US, it's Elon. It's crazy. It's true though. It's true. And so how do you start with a clean sheet of paper

and reinvent your business using these exponential technologies? That's moonshot thinking. And longevity thinking, listen, your mindset, as you well know, is the single most important thing you have as well for your health. If you, and I began my longevity platinum trip with the conversation with my abundance members there saying, how long do you think you're going to live?

And how certain are you that we're going to add 30 health years on your life this decade? What's your longevity mindset around this? If you don't believe it, if you really are anchored to where your dad passed away or the average life expectancy, then maybe you're not going to be looking as hard for those breakthroughs. Maybe you're not going to be working out as much or skipping that donut, right? But if you do believe that this is coming, you're like, I'm going to do everything I can to be in the best health to intercept this technology five years or 10 years or 15 years from now, and that's the longevity mindset.

So I teach these through my abundance 360 program to the CEOs I mentor, and I write about these, because I think these mindsets are the mindsets we need to really thrive in the decade. This interview, everybody should go back and listen to repeatedly, but I got to tell you, this last part, I read this. Look, I read everything. I do a bunch of podcasts, right? I mean, you and I have similar contacts and friends, and I reflect it on this.

So I want to just share this everybody. The abundance mindset, I think I've had that most of my life. I actually, that's something that you've heard before, somewhere a variation of that. We've all heard that the way you articulate it and explain it, put it in context, the syntax of it is brilliant. It's different.

I've had an abundance mindset, that's probably why I'm wealthy. That's why my life's turned out. Sure. But then I actually really ask myself, this exponential mindset, do I actually think this 30 times I'd be around the world, I don't know that I do. I am in a pattern of thinking that is much more linear in my life than it ought to be, particularly with the momentum that I have, the access that I have, the capital that I have, I should be thinking exponentially

more often, and I should have a part of me that's got this moonshot mindset. And you're 100% right. Rob Deerdick's a good friend of mine. I think Rob's number's 125. We talk, we tease each other. I'll tell him he said it to me 100 times. I should know what it is.

He's like, I said, well, that's a great number, he goes, brother, because I believe that. I'm looking for the technology, the medicines, the training, the mindset, he goes, I'm a much higher probability of hitting the 125 because I believe it and I think about it. Yes. Then if I don't, all of you should evaluate this. You don't know what you don't know and it's the invisible things in our life. It's what we're not doing oftentimes that we don't see that we don't realize we're not thinking about. But when we get to the end of our life, we're gonna regret because this information's been here the entire time, and we can get comfortable

when we've made gains, I think, okay, that was exponential. Now I'm at this abundance, grow a little bit, part of my life, but at any stage, if you begin to think these different mindsets, things can dramatically change in your life. You can dramatically be a different human being. His work's so brilliant. I want to go a couple more things as we're going to run out of time.

We've talked about what I would call life extension stuff. We've talked a little bit about the mindset stuff. This then ties into, you say, like, for example, in your recent book, this linear mindset, linear companies, it means a different context, but like a linear company's toast. Right. It is. It will get massively disrupted. We're going to disrupt and reinvent every industry this decade.

There's not a single industry that isn't going to be completely reinvented as AI is coming in. We haven't even talked about quantum technologies that are coming or brain computer interface where all these other pixie dust magical technologies, but are real and will be materializing over the decade ahead. I was just thinking, I was watching the news last night and Fox News was, I watched Fox and CNN,

I loved to see her, what everybody's saying, right? And I watch each of them for about, I'd say eight minutes a week now, because I won't feed myself these things anymore. I just won't do it anymore. I used to really watch and I feel like I needed a shower afterwards and I was stressed and so I don't watch anymore.

But sometimes if sport centers over or whatever's happened I'm about to nod off, I'll take a look at it. And they were sort of trashing these autonomous vehicles that are now running around San Francisco and there's this huge risk and this other thing. And I thought to myself, man, you don't understand what's coming here. Like this, someone's going to play this clip of you guys six years from this. And it was the same clip that was played 100 years ago when the cars were entering Manhattan

and the buggy-whip manufacturers were trashing the car. the cars were entering Manhattan and the buggy lit manufacturers were trashing the car. Do you feel like these advances that are forthcoming mean a company needs what you call in the book? I think it's an MTP. I think this is an appropriate place in the last couple of questions to ask you about because if you do own a company or you you're an entrepreneur, or you have a side hustle, how do you take advantage and not get disrupted by this, but be a disruptor in these times?

This MTP concept, I already took it to my companies. I've already taken it. It's also one of you to talk about that. So, one of the things that every abundance member, I have, I want them to develop an MTP a massive transformative purpose and a moonshot. Everybody coming through my abundance program, that's table stakes. And so your massive transformative purpose is a short enough phrase that provides clarity to the world of who you want to serve, what is the big impact you want to provide, right, and the action verb. So for me my personal

MTP is to inspire and guide entrepreneurs to create a hopeful, compelling, and abundant future for humanity. And I say it every day, twice a day, everyone in my family, everyone, my members know it. It decides what I do and don't do. In a world of near infinite abundance of opportunities and we're getting, you know this, you're bombarded by more opportunities, you're possibly know of how do you decide what to do

and what not to do? Yes. Right? And my MTP is my filter. It's my vector that helps me decide, that's fascinating, not for me. It doesn't fit in your energy. It doesn't fit in, right? It's not going to, and an MTP is sort of the canvas you want to paint your life. And then your moonshots are on that canvas. There are the very clear objective goals. I'm going to do this, this, and this by this target date.

Right. So my earlier MTP was making humanity multi-planetary, and my moonshots were building my international space university and building the ex-price, and I built a launch vehicle company. And so, but an MTP is driven by passion. Right. We, you know, this from your work and from our common friend Tony, we are emotional energetic beings. And we need to be driven by that emotional energy. And MTP is driven by emotions. It's either positive emotion of on, amazement, I'm going to, holy, I'm this is the most extraordinary time ever to be alive. Or it could be one that's got a negative energy. I refuse to let this harm continue for this people. I'm going to solve it. As long as it comes from one of those areas, and then again, it's a broad canvas.

But then your moonshot is very concretely, I'm going to, you know, in X Prize, it was, I'm going to build a $10 million prize to inspire private companies to launch three adults into space, land, and do it again within two weeks. Very clear, very measurable. People know whether I pulled it off or not. So a moonshot is a very specific objective goal. And it's a target to shoot for. Without a target, you're going to miss it every time.

So what is that target, right? So I actually have, I built an AI to help people develop their MTP and their moonshots, moonshotplanter.com. It's free and it'll just help you develop your MTP. It'll take you through a process and then once you've done that, help you develop your moonshot. Yeah, brilliant is an inadequate word to describe And then once you've done that, help you develop your moonshot.

Brilliant is an adequate word to describe your work. I mean it. You exceeded my expectations today. I have one more question, by the way, because I want to stay for this. But I mean this, everybody, you can feel something here today, right? This is a man whose work you should just stay close to. Don't you feel like he'd be much more well informed if you stay close to this man. Following on Instagram, by the way, the new book's exponential organizations, two point outs, unbelievable, but all of this work is I'm so grateful you exist.

Thank you, pal. You're pushing it. You're pushing it. I like my heart. I live this on my sleeve. I know you do. I am. I can see it.

I mean, it is you. And I'm really grateful we did this today. And I do want to do it again. And I'm more, it's not empty inspiration. It's actually factually based, evidentiary stuff that I feel really, really better about the world and my own life and where we're all going as human beings from being around you.

I want to ask you one last question. It's just a crazy one. Yeah. If you're a little bit embarrassed to say it, but you were going to say it. And people said, what's one of your visions you're going to see in your lifetime that most people will give you the eye role for. They don't Peter. Now you're out over your skis.

But in your private moments with your best friend through a loan, you go, you know what's going to happen while I'm alive that nobody can imagine is going to happen? It's this. What would it be? Yeah, I'll give you a few because I have a ambitious lifespan objective. I set in medical school a ridiculous lifespan of like 500 years because if, you know, Greenland sharks can live that long, why can't I? And by the way, if we're able to live in 30 more years, right? The breakthroughs we're gonna see in 30 years are just unimaginable.

So what is the crazy idea is, well, the little nine-year-old and me who's a space cadet wants to go and start a little town on the moon, now it'd be fun. But that doesn't feel unimaginable. That's just a matter of money. The tech is here and coming rapidly. I think the most incredible and unimaginable concept

is uploading yourself. So can you take your persona encoded in your brain, 100 billion neurons, 100 trillion synaptic connections, and move that information, your consciousness into the cloud. We're going to do it in a piecemeal part. You know, Ray Kurzweil, who's been my mentor, he's my partner and co-founder of Singularity University, writes that by 2033, we're gonna have high bandwidth brain computer interface, meaning the neocortex of my brain is connecting to the cloud.

I can think a question and Google it and get the answer. That isn't, that is not unimaginable, it's real and the tech, I've seen it. I've seen that, you know, neural link from Elon is part of it, but I was just on this platinum trip. I've saw a few companies that are moving the technology, so we've got like 10 different approaches to that technology heading towards 20, 30, 33.

And that's gonna be, you know, making us, you could think of us as somewhat cyborg, but the ability to go beyond that and actually upload your consciousness. That is when we might become immortal in that regard. That is absolutely mind-blowing. You should see my producer in the background, or he's literally praying hands, leaning pondering what you're saying on the background right now. We're just like when millions of people are doing this going, my gosh.

You're a treasure. Thank you, pal. I'm so grateful. And everybody, let me just say this to you, you are welcome for today. I'm very, very grateful. You just got this everybody for free. You had to listen to a couple of my ads, but beyond that, it was free. And so would be following Peter. So please do that and please share today's show like guys if I have to ask you to share today's show you ain't ever sharing a show. This was epic and I'm very very grateful and I hope that this is the first of maybe every year we bring Peter back and we'll tell us what's going on in the world here brother and bring us up to speed so thank you so

much for today. I'm pleasure. Alright right. God bless you everybody. Max out your life. Take care This is the end my let's show