THE ED MYLETT SHOW - Ken Shamrock - The Worlds Most Dangerous Man

Episode Date: March 20, 2018

Ken Shamrock, known as the “World’s Most Dangerous Man” joins me for a hard-hitting interview this week on #MaxOut with Ed Mylett!  Shamrock is a worldwide recognized MMA fighter and an inductee into the UFC Hall of Fame. He’s a four time UFC Heavy Champion, WWF Tag Team Champion, and the founder of the Lion’s Den, a renowned fighting school where some of the world’s best fighters have trained. Get ready to hear the story behind this champion’s journey from father-less in a poor neighborhood in Georgia, to victorious many times over on the top fighting stages in the world!  

Welcome to the Edm Mylet Show. Welcome back to Max Out with Ed Mylet. I'm fired up about today's program, everybody. I have an all-time great with me here today. And he's been on my list that I wanted to have on the program. And just the universe put us together today. The Lord is good with us, man. So you can tell who I'm sitting next to.

He really doesn't need any introduction. This is the most dangerous man in the world. Four-time heavyweight champion. The first person ever inducted to the UFC Hall of Fame. One of the greatest fighters, one of the greatest athletes. And now becoming one of the great businessmen of all time right here.

I have Ken Shamrock with me. Thank you, brother for being here. Well, I appreciate it. Thank you. And whenever anybody says a list, my high, I'd like to get a good thing or a bad thing. It's a good list. That's a good list. We're just sticking with the good list. You're on the list. It's a good list. Yeah. I'm like, I'm a good thing. That's a good list. We're gonna stick with the good list. You're on the list. It's a good list. We got the good

one going today. So I'm fired up to be here with you, man. And I've been in my years for a long time. So thanks for being here. Yeah, I appreciate it, man. Thank you. To be a good conversation. So you got your diving into the business world. You've obviously dominated sports. I want to go back because our we're talking prior sort of our Our upbringings and our lives are a little bit similar in some regards So everybody sees the success that you've had and you've dominated sports now you're gonna do that in business too You've been doing that in business But you didn't start out and like a perfect

Universe a perfect world you're upbringing was not like bubblegums and rainbows necessarily, right? And I want people to hear this because a lot of people listen to my program, don't come from perfect families, don't come from what they think is like the ideal environment in their life too. And yours wasn't ideal, right? Well, it's, it's, you know, we see this all the time. And so, I mean, you have to, I mean, because this is the people that you work with. I mean, so there's that small percentage of where, you know, you get a guy who reaches the level in sports or in business and they had a good up bringing in a family and you know what to college to Yale and you know and they just kept going up. But most of the time, man, and enjoy the time when you see something like

that, a success, somebody who's made it to the top, when you see something like that, most of the time, you're going to see somewhere in their life or in their path where there's been some severe adversity. And so I believe that to me, that's almost like a training course. If you make it through that adversity in your life, depending on how severe it is, if you make it through that, then there's nothing you can accomplish in life from that point. Because you have just gone through something

in most people's lives that would not be able to get up from that. And speaking a little bit about my upbringing, that's kind of where I was, except mine lasted a little bit longer from the time I was born till I was really 13, 14 years old. And of course, then even though I was doing better, I was in a group home.

The group home actually turned my life around. I really started going in that right direction. And then of course, got adopted at the age of 18 years old by Bob Shamrock, but. So you didn't grow up, let's go back there for you know that we've talked, you know that i worked in a group home as well so more familiarity than some people that do it that you end up leaving your your mom had you but you ended up in a group home at

one point right and so does this man mr shamrock did he own a run that group home at that time and how old were you when you went into it yeah and uh... i was ten years old when you know all got stabbed you should get drunk on robberman got stabbed when you were ten years old when in the juvenile hall got stabbed. You should get drunk on Robert. You got stabbed when you were 10 years old, right? In a robbery.

That's not everyone's in trouble. It's a robbery. But I think anybody that comes from the ghetto or comes from that kind of world where that very, they live in, it's really maybe even drug-infested, prostitution, abuse, all that stuff. And it's usually in these different areas where there's low and poverty. And that's where it was at. It was in Georgia where I was actually

brought up at. And the environment for people who were in middle class or upper class can't understand what children are capable of doing to each other to each other or even know what they're capable of doing for themselves because in that world to have a five-year-old kid going to kindergarten, walking by himself, getting into fights and stealing even a five-year-old. It's almost impossible for people to understand that a five-year-old kid could be left home alone or to be walked to school alone. But I promise you this, and anybody that has come from these areas,

will truly understand what I'm saying, that either as a kid, you have the ability to survive or die. And there are kids like myself who choose to not let anybody take over their lives. Even at a young age, I had the will to win. Yeah. And whether it was, you know, in a fight or in a conversation with another kid, you know, I was the dominant one.

Were you born like that, or you developed a cousin environment, you think? I think it was the environment. Okay. I mean, I don't know, maybe I had something there, but I do believe because the environment, there was either live or not live. Do you remember going to the group home?

Do you remember the first day? Yeah, like I said, at five years old, you know, boom, I did that in Georgia. My mom married somebody, my biological mother. Mary somebody moved to Napa, California. Oh man, you moved from Georgia to Napa. And when I talked about the ghetto, oh my god, to a middle class. Yeah, that's totally, you can have an accident from Georgia,

to a middle school, right? I walked into first day school, it was a, it was a, Pueblo Vista, yeah. Napa, California, I'm going to school. Oh my god.

I'm 10 years old. I go into school. I walk differently. I talk differently, and I definitely act differently. First day of school, you know differently, I talk differently, and I definitely act and different. First day of school, you know how kids are, they usually pretty brutal. Well, I don't know anybody, so I'm kind of leaning up against the wall, I have this attitude. Well, these, these one kid, I remember his name is Bruce.

You remember? I knew, I know it was last thing, but I'm not going to call him out. And so there was about four guys standing around him, he was kind of the tough kid in, in that school, in kindergarten, or not getting a 10th grade. So as I'm standing there, I'm going to get so, I see all these guys circling up and they're starting to kind of start pointing at me and Bruce is the most kind of pointing at me

and start talking, all of a sudden, now my, my attendants go up because where I grew up at, I see it happening. So all of a sudden, I'm looking down, I'm not making eye contact, they start walking towards me. And I'm looking and there's four of them, and as they're walking up, I first thing I go is, okay, and I'm 10 years old, I go, I'm taking that one out,

I'm taking that one out, and then that one, because I'm like, four of them, and I'm already planning to knock these dudes out, because I know there's a kind of problem with that. Dude, you're like, you're the most famous, you know, I'm already planning to knock these dudes out because I know it's a kind of like you. Dude, you're like, you know what I'm saying? I was planning for it, you know what I'm saying? I'm out of my mouth. I'm back against the wall, so they walk up

and I remember the first thing to somebody said what didn't happen where I came from, they started talking. They started going, man, what do you think you were? You know, you think you're tough, and all these other things are saying, and I'm thinking on my head, it's like, are they fighting me? I'm not fighting you. It's like where I came from, you didn't know, you think you're tough and all these other things are saying I'm thinking of my head It's like are they gonna are they fighting me? It's like where I came from you didn't even know it was common. Yeah, right, right

So I'm trying to figure out it. Are they calling me out? You guys I didn't say it But you guys want to fight? We becoming friends And then I heard the thing come out of his mouth and he goes I tell you what? Behind the gym at three o'clock, we're going to fight. And I was like, I was confused in the minute he said fight, I went. You laid him out right there. Right, right there because I was like, fight right. I kept going. Now I know what we're doing. And so then I turned to look at the other ones and they ran.

Oh, it's awesome. And then I was like, okay, I know this is not the neighborhood I grew up in. So I look at him, he's on the ground and I thought to myself as he was as he was talking, I remember thinking about sitting in the principal's house and I'm thinking, did he just invite me? He said three o'clock behind, he said, what, I'm going to ring the dinner bar. Like, hey, better yet, why don't you get more, your friends? So I walk back behind the gym at 3 o'clock, I can get jumped by 10 guys. That's incredible, dude. That's incredible. So what a huge mistake to call you out by Bruce, by the way, won't say his last name.

He didn't know that. I was 10 years old, nobody knew who I was. I came from nowhere. That's crazy, though. You go from the hood of Georgia to Napa. I mean, what a gigantic change. That had to be unreal. So you have this group to Napa. I mean, what a gigantic change that had to be unreal. So you have this group home, Mr. Shamrock,

own it or run it? Like, what's the, is that the story or? Yeah, I went, like I said, I got stabbed, strong, I'm robbery, I got put into juvenile hall at 10 years old. I went to probably seven different placements and I failed them all, fighting, you know, run away, living in cars. And I was 13 years old by the time that I got interviewed by Bob Shamrock, who owned

the Shamrock Boys' home. And I remembered when he interviewed me, you know, it was like, you know, whatever, but my probation officer came up to me and he said, if you don't pass this home, he says you're going to go to California either authority. Well, you're not a kids' prison, right? And so I remember, and this is where sometimes where you look back on a hindsight, you think about how these probationals were ignorant,

because what they were doing is basically telling me that hey, if you don't pass this, I'm gonna go and put you in this California Youth Authority, we're gonna give you three square meals in a cot. And all my friends were already there, so I'll be hanging out with my buddies. Oh my God. That's really even a threat, right?

So I'm thinking you're threatening me. Right. Because I have so much of a threat. Wow. But, but going to that home, my intentions was not to go there and stay there. My intentions was I was going to go there, whatever. So we drive up there with two other kids and we get to this home and we walk in this door. And first we drive up to them and it was this beautiful home and I was like,

we're not in the right place. So we walk in the door and it's got open bean ceilings and it's got this pool table. It's got video games, big fireplace, 18 feet open bean ceilings and it was a million dollar home. I was like, are you staying here? Right? I mean, most people are going, what are you talking about? Yeah, yeah. When you talk about a kid that comes from the ghetto, comes from, you know, surviving on his own,

when you walk into a place like that, something's wrong. Really? Right. You don't feel comfortable there. This is not your environment. Wow. So when I walked in and I'm like, dude, hey, this is weird. Wow.

So Bob Shammer comes and introduces himself to us, which was also weird. And he took the probation officer, which all the other homes that I went to, we would drop off with some kid that was a leader in the house. They took us away and they sat down with the house owner or whoever it was. They talked the probation officer.

OK. Well, Bob Schema did something different. He brought us in, sat us down at this bar, which had ice cream, coke, and peanuts. It was like an area for kids, right? Where you could sit at the bar, drink sodas, and different things like that. So it was really, really way out.

Right, yeah. We just kind of figured out like, what did I do to get here? Yeah, right. So he sits us down, and he tells the probation officer, if you want, come in here, and they had a cook, her name was Elizabeth, you could sit down, Elizabeth would get you some coffee and some cookies, you know, and I'll be with you in a minute.

So he comes over and sits next to us and he gets the files. And I remember you raised the files up and he said, this is what you have done, this is in your past. Boom, puts it down. And he says, you got a new start. Wow. He said, you have a chance to start all over if you choose to. That is an important anymore. But he says, I want to make something really clear. He said, can you have a violent problem? You get into fights, you know, that's your record. You know, the other two had drug problems. So Ken, if you go into town on the weekend and you go out

and you drink a beer, maybe smoke a joint, something like that, yeah, you're going to get in trouble, but not as severe as YouTube. Because if you to go out and do that, that's your problem. That is your devil. And I'm going to make you dig a pool out during the winter time. And you're going to work your tail off. Now, Ken, if you go into town and get into a fight, you're going to be digging that pool during the winter time. So right then and there, it was already different because when we went to the other homes,

they put us into these homes. And we were numbers. You were like number four and number five or you were in room such and such, you were in this red, blue, whatever. But no one really had a name, no one really had a file. No one took anybody in their own perspective who they were as a person and what their issues were.

That's crazy, that's so powerful, though, man, because like just thinking when you said it, like everyone leaving, listen to this, you got a file where you are in your life, right? That's your past, you can set that file down and start over. Brother, that is so freaking huge for everyone to hear that. Was he the first, I'm just curious,

was he the first like mentor for you, like positive guy, finally you find this, man, what a blessing, right? Like, he was a kind of guy that, at first I didn't trust, because- It was too good a blessing, right? Absolutely. He was a kind of guy that, at first, I didn't trust. Because it was too good a guy, or was? Yeah, it was like in the house. I mean, you come from all this, you're going to bad places.

This was like Disneyland for a lot of us, right? And so going there, and with the way that some of the things that happened to me as a kid, I'd never been hugged. Not even by my mother, I'd never been, I don't know what, I didn't know what a hug was unless it was somebody trying to take advantage of me, right? So anything that was physical like that was like, hey, whoa, you know, I'm older now that ain't happening.

And he was that kind of guy where he was a very touchy person and a hugable person and a lovable person. So when we were sitting around at that bar and we got done talking, he went to hug the other guys and he went to hug me and I was like, yeah, I ain't doing that. There's never been hugged. Never. No, I understand what it was.

It's really amazing. I can picture you. Like, as you tell that, you're such a good storyteller, bro. Like, yeah. Well, the thing is,, you're such a good storyteller, bro. Like, yeah. Well, the thing is, it's like, they happened. I can bring myself back there and put myself in those times. I think everyone can see it, though. Like, yeah, it was almost like, you know, you talk about it and you get those chills and

stuff and you're thinking, man, those are some bad times. But because I do these things, right, like I talk about them, that it's a therapy, that it's not a demon to me anymore. It's something that happened to me, but it's not who I am. It doesn't own you. Right. And I think that all comes from being able to be able to share it with other people who may even go through the same stuff.

And understand, listen man, that does not have to define your life. You don't have to let that define your life. I wonder if you realize how, like, and I know you do it other places, obviously a lot too. I wonder if you realize the impact that makes, man, that does not have to define your life. You don't have to let that define your life. I wonder if you realize how, like, and I know you do it at other places, obviously a lot too. I wonder if you realize like the impact that makes man on people's, like, your legacy, fighting just gave you the platform, right?

Your legacy's probably not all the titles and the belts and all that stuff. Your legacy's gonna be this, like literally man, like thousands and millions of people hearing this and going, man, I can do this too. Like, I can change my life. Like, that's, I just, I can picture you there. It draws my mind.

So, you go there, because we gotta get to, we gotta get to, you're fighting and where you are now too, because I wanna five hours show with you. I really do. I do. I would love that. But you, so how do you start?

Where's, you already were fighting. But you weren't fighting, right? I mean, you weren't skilled. I wasn't getting paid. You were getting paid. Well, maybe I was, because I was stealing money after I beat him up. I beat a monster. Yeah, that probably ain't exactly right. Yeah, but I'm not necessarily a price fight. That's a price fight. You just take your price.

So when do you start like you, you're, so this shamrock man, obviously you carry his name now. This is a life altering human in your life, right? I mean, no question about it. And so, so what does, does he have a fighting background? Like, did you end up, by living with him, you end up getting into the mixed martial arts or fighting or grappling or wrestling or what is it? What happened? No, I think it was more of this way he was as a personality. We had a, this was his big house. And in the front room, it was people would always wrestle. And he would always grab us and throw us

and stuff us under the fireplace, because we had a ledge over the fireplace. He shoved us under there and punched us into gut, and just wrestle and just play around all the time like that. And so for a kid grown up like that, you almost start like, this is pretty cool, right? So then it leads into the wrestling. And I was very violent anyways.

So I needed a channel to vent in. And so for me, it was football and wrestling. OK. Were you afraid of athlete? I was definitely blessed with some athletic ability. And along with the aggresson to go with it, which is a pretty good combination. I read a thing from him that said,

you were the best athlete he had ever seen. Yes. So you're being even humble now like you're an extraordinarily gifted and Intense athlete, right? Yeah, my my father and a lot of other people that I've have Practiced and trained for have definitely given me some pretty high compliments Yeah, well, obviously you end up being one of the greats of all time at something there had to be something there originally Right, how do you become you? I'm just curious.

So you go from there. How do you become this guy? Like everybody, and especially in my generation, when I think of the UFC, there's like three or four people that I think of. For me, the top of my list is you just because we look alike or whatever, right? Like I was literally like always, it was you.

So how do we connect to? Yeah, we're connected. Yeah, we connect, man. So, but but like there's Gracie there's you but like all time great fights like all these dudes like Dom Cruise was on my show Dominic was like all these guys making all this money now oh it to you your generation of guys right you guys built that company you built the brand you built the sport and so how'd you become you like how did happen like you go from you're you're terrible for the first 13 years up, bringing it right.

You're terrible in that it was rough. It ended up serving you. You meet this mentor, you're there. Take me from some point in that to where, oh my God, you're fighting for, how do you end up fighting for the heavyweight championship of the UFC? How do you get there? Well, it's a long road travel, you know,

like, didn't have an education because I was in a group home all the way till I was 13 in and out of placements. I didn't go to school. So when I went to high school, I was, didn't, I couldn't read, I couldn't do addition. So I went into special ed and being in special ed created problems because people said, hey, that's especially, you know, so there was that. So because I was a great athlete, a lot of that stuff, I got away with no one to mess with me, nobody to me. And so I was a great athlete, so people wanted to help me.

And I grasped onto that early on where people, because I was a group football player and I was a good wrestler, that coaches and teachers wanted to help me. So I gravitated, I understood that, like, hey, the sports can do something for me Yeah, like like these people want to help me and get next to retention because I'm good at something Yeah, so then I started becoming better at I started working at it and I started going to school I started learning but at the time I graduated my senior year. I graduated all mainstream courses No way went into college played two years of college But I broke my neck my senior college. What's that we put what you play for my backer?

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and because I was 15 pounds lighter, but I was just so strong. Huge difference though. So I'm shooting on a guy and I'm picking him up and I got him up in here and I'm spending him like a helicopter in a coach which his name is Mike Pullman. Screamed him, you better take him down and stop playing him around. You're going to do walls which is a conditioning drill. So I went to step, take him down. I slipped. And I fell. Now when I slipped and fell, I had him on me and I sat like into any imposition. When he landed on me, he pushed my head, almost all the way down to my belly button. And what happened was it took my spine and it stretched it. And then when it stretched it and it came back up again, it went bang.

Smashed all my cartelages and broke my neck. My 17 years old, I had all this promise. Oh my God. Everything was going in the right direction. I had a family, I was privileged, felt privileged. Yeah. I'm going to college. I had all these offers and all of a sudden I broke my neck.

I didn't know that. Yeah. I broke it. And I was like, I didn't think anything of it. I know they scooped me up, but this clamped underneath me, put a board on top of me, picked me up up the ground, put me in the ambulance, took me to a Reading,

California, which was almost two and a half, three hours from where we were at. Oh my God. And that's where they actually found out that I had broke my neck. Oh my gosh. Cut me through my neck here, did bone chip, fuse my neck, never play sports again.

Doc says you will never play contact sports again. You fuse your neck then? Yeah. And you end up going on to do all this other stuff. Yeah, yeah. No way. Yeah. Oh, brother, okay.

Tell him never play sports, never play a contact sport again. Oh my god. And I remembered that that moment. Of course you're not supposed to play a contact sport. That's amazing. I'm laying in bed. In a hospital bed when I'm told this, and my dad is there, and Bob Shamak, who wasn't, I wasn't adopted yet, but he was my dad.

I was like, I was broken. I'm like, I don't, that's not going to happen. I was talking about happen. I remember my father said to me, he goes, do you think that God has brought you this far and given you this much success to leave you now? He says, you have a purpose in life. The journey you have traveled means something. What you do at this point is up to you,. He said but if you're gonna lay down in

powder, I'm not letting him be able to broken neck. He's being aggressive of me if you lay down in powder. It is over. But if you rise to the occasion and use this as a tool, you will succeed. And I'm a recid and you're going man, you're right. You're absolutely right. Did it? It doesn't end here. There's no way this is over. There's no way I came this far and for it to stop now. Now, he didn't know what I was thinking. Of course, in my mind, I was like, there's no way I'm going to stop playing football. There's no way I'm going to stop doing what I want to do contact-wise. There's no way that this is going to end now. My dad just told me that no,

it's Canyon now. God has a purpose for me. Now my dad was saying basically that to motivate me to get up and recover from this and move on and light some mouth. So I had this halo on with these bars and stuff I have holes in my head. They use the torque wrench to tighten the bolts down. I was like going into a mechanic shop. Oh my gosh. So I go through this for about six months with the halo. I was in the hospital for a couple months, six months of halo on. I built my body up to 170 pounds. I was actually at 160, I was benching 320.

Oh my gosh. So I was really strong. Worked up to about 170 pounds. Benching double your body weight. Yeah, I was strong. And so I get to this point to where I built all this up. I broke my neck. I was in this halo.

I was down to 130 pounds. I looked sick. Yeah, I had age. Yeah, horrible. And I remember getting out of hospital and I was, I wasn't depressed. I wasn't. No, I was like, okay, it begins now.

Oh my gosh, brother. It begins now. And I remember, I spent hours in the gym, okay, it begins now. Oh my gosh, but it begins now. And I remember I spent hours in the gym, night time, because we had the gym at the home. And I was out there at night time with the light on after everybody was in bed and I was lifting. And then the next day in the morning time, I would get up and I would lift again.

And then most of the day, I was fixing meals and eating and trying to put my way back on. And then I would go out and run. And this was like like during the summertime and I tried to build myself back up again. And by the time I was about I think it took six months for me to put a hundred and seven I went bigger, a hundred and seventy five pounds and six months from the time I broke my neck to the time I started working out again. I put that weight on a A year and a half later, I had to go to the doctor, I had to ask him to sign a waiver or a release form so I could go and play college football. Now all the schools

wouldn't touch me. It was like I had to play. So I had to go and walk on to a school, it was a shastoc college. And I remember I had to go to the doctors in order to play football, so he would sign a release to say that he wasn't responsible. I knew all the risks. And then I had to go into the college and do the same thing. It was like, let's say, no, what I'm doing,

I'm signing off, if it happened, that's on me. I did that, walked in, I was all American. Long back. First year I read, second year all American, third year all American. What? How come I don't know this part of your story? No, nobody really talks about it.

Dude, that's huge. Like, this is a pattern though with you, man. Like, you need to rewind this last six minutes. Like, that's bananas, that conversation while you're laying there, you freaking kidding me. And then you with a damn halo put on 40 freaking pounds, that's nuts. But so, but what it is is like, there's going to spend this freak switching you for a long

time then, right? So, you're a freak when you fight was a kid, but then like they say no more context sports. There's just this freaking. There's like, no, I'm going to. Boom. And you do it. That's bananas.

Yeah, yeah. So, and that doesn't, like I said, if we had hours to talk about it, we'd be great, but I wouldn't do so many adversities times. That was one of them. Then there was a divorce that my father went through and I thought I was going to be sent back because I thought the home would get shut down. So there was a lot of that stuff that went on too with that part of it and him telling me, listen, I'm going to finish what I started.

Nobody's going anywhere. So it was like, the house was lifted off me. I was like, I'm doing something now, right? It's not going to end. And then I went through a divorce. And then I had kids, and it was tough. And so I went through that stuff. And I broke my neck a gandulator on in 2001.

I had to, in 2012, I actually had to redo it. And that's when the brackets went in. And so there was a constant adversity, but when adversity hit me, this is how I dealt with adversity. It was like, yeah, there it is, right? But that it's just there. But it isn't an obstacle to me.

It's just there, but I'm gonna keep doing what I'm doing. And you imagine- People need to hear that. Yeah, but even fighting is like, when I tell people like, hey, I broke my neck, you're like, shut up. Yeah, yeah. You broke it, we know.

He's like, yeah, no, I did. But you find out. And you find out. And you find out that you're the second neck break. Yeah. Tell them real quick, you're telling me where we're before we go on. We'll tell them the crap that's in your body. And right now, after all this,

what's in your body? Describe some of the stuff. Listen to this. Listen to it. And this man's been fighting with many of these things in his body for years. Okay. So no, but listen, here's what you think. Well, I got this against me. This person's not Rudy for my mom doesn't think I should do the business. I'm man, you know, everyone's against me. I'm broke. Okay, that's against you. Right. This man's won championships with

these things in his body from time to time. Tell him knee, titanium ball in my shoulder, one through seven in my neck, titanium brackets where it was broke, lower back, one through four, titanium brackets in the lower back, in my fractured back. And of course I've had, you know, the hand there, multiple, I had screws in there for a while, multiple breaks, concussions. And it holds in my head from the halo that I had on. So what the hell is? I tell people, I don't need a rupture,

but I tell people when I shaved my head. Yeah. And because there's a big hole in my head, there's one on each side of the halo. There's one right there, there's one right there. I can't see it now. But there's two in the back here that got, they're like deep holes, like crevices, right?

So when I had my head shaved, there would be people coming and be sitting, what are the holes in your hips so I got shot? Well, you've been stabbed so it's like completely believable. Are you hearing this story? Like, when you hear the behind the scenes of what made a change, like, what the heck could you excuse possibly be? You're in a combat sport with these injuries, right? It's bananas to me. Let's talk about combat sport for a second. So when you fight, just go, he's fought all over the world and all the different sort

of venues, the different groups, the different everything. You've been all over the world fighting, right? I mean, obviously, I'm just curious, like, when you're fight night, I'm just curious, like, because you've had all this adversity, take him in this minute, like, do you, this basic stuff, I always wanted to know, right, about guys who fight. Like to me, there's something unique about a man who's willing to walk in and confront another man. Okay, I think that's special. I think that those are very few humans on earth. I respect all the guys in that game. Just the admiration I have for a man willing to confront another man, and there's nobody else in there with you, right? That's an experience very few people can relate to,

that you can relate to literally hundreds of times, all over the world in some pretty scary places and for not a lot of money, right? A lot of times too, right? You went in there to fight. Are you scared? Do you get scared? Have you been walking and going,

I have fear about this particular man or this particular fight or that experience and if you did, how do you deal with it or do you not? Yeah, you know, isn't that interesting? Yeah, because fear is not something that has ever entered into my mindset. Except for when I am not prepared. When I am prepared, there's just like the adversity

where they had bracket someone neck or I broke my neck and my knee went out. Those were just they were there. I knew they're there. But that's that's over. That's over. Now it's time for me to do what I want to do. So it's not it's not a thought to me. It's no thought. So you don't. So your preparation is your company. I don't think about that at all. I just you're standing there. They're calling is your company. I don't think about it. I don't think about that at all. You're standing there. They're calling your name out. Most dangerous man in the world.

Four time this. You're bouncing up and down. Right? What's going on in your head right there? The right thing is, is like, I'm going through my training. I'm going through the process. The stuff I did. The thing is, he's going to probably do my counter to that.

This and that going in there. I look in, stand in there. I look across the ring. I bulldog. Bow right in the eyes, the first thing I'll lock onto him, because that's going to tell me who they are going into this fight, whether they're going to be game or not game. If they're not game, I'm coming after him. If they are a game, then I stick to my strategy or whatever, however I trained, and I go after him.

When I first started fighting, my thought process was when I locked in there and I went in there, I wanted to kill him, I wanted to break him down, I wanted to make them beg. Because of where I came from, this was my opportunity to become successful and this man is in my way. And I'm going to take him out and he's going to remember me for the rest of his life. Oh my God. So good. Both of those things like, right, right now, but like both of those things, look at even

the other guys in here, right? Like both of those things apply and other stuff though. I just want to say this, like all the stuff about preparation, I'm going to dial in, I'm going to adjust, I'm going to, what they're going to do, I'm going to do, that's a sales call. By the way of business, that's a phone call. Not the same thing. Hold on more pressure.

One of those, there's another man, there's more pressure when there's a problem, you bother, you give yourself credit. There's more pressure when there's another dude in there who can do you bodily harm, right? There's a lot more you down on this. Check this out, though. Listen this for a minute. And not so much because I've already experienced it, and I've done it. But do you realize that most fighters are more afraid of standing up in front of an audience

rather than walking in the ring and fight? That's interesting. Yeah, that's true. It pissed themselves when they got the lock in. You just had those people around there, right? Yeah. Yeah's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true.

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Yeah, I can be dead. You can be the time. But there's been a time, I'm gonna add curious. Can you think of a time where you were in a fight? Because this is what people are thinking about in business or in their marriage or whatever it is, right? Was there a time where you were in a fight where you were tempted to tap,

you were tempted to give in and you didn't? Like is there a moment of consideration there that overwhelms you? Was there a time where you just refused to? I mean, I'm sure there's environments where you just physically can't someone's gonna snap your leg in half, right? Or whatever.

But is there a, there's gotta be a moment in a lot of fights where you're like, or are you just reacting? Was there a fights where you're like or you just reacting Was there a moment you're like I don't know how much more this I can take? Fatigue I've got nothing like how do you fight through that when that happens when you're just like your your body Is almost no longer willing. It's I guess that your spirit or your desire that overrides it what happens there? Yeah, I've never I've never had the experience of

Being in a moment where I didn't want to continue. Even when I was fighting Tito and I was getting my butt handed to me because obviously it was a big age gap there on some injuries and all the things. But he was a great fighter in his prime and I was a great fighter out of my prime. So when I went into fight him, there was some battles in there, but there was never a thought in my mind, even when he was pumbling me, thought in my mind where I was going to tap out or get out of this. Because it's a mindset when I go in for a fight. The mindset is I'm here. I'm not going anywhere. And he's not going to make me go anywhere. So however it ends and ends. But I would have to say more in that business sense of a fear factor of whether or not you feel like

you've put everything into it. And you just can't make another call because you just sent too many shutdowns or you just don't wanna keep, you know, you cut yourself short because it hasn't been so much success. Or maybe you're tired, you work too long, whatever your thing is, when you feel like you just can't do another thing.

But you haven't had enough success to stop yet. I would have to say for me, and I equate that to something that I've experienced and I use in business is preparation. You know, for me, when I'm prepared, there's nothing I can't accomplish. There's absolutely nothing that I cannot accomplish. When I'm prepared, there's nothing I can't accomplish. Did absolutely nothing that I cannot accomplish. When I'm not prepared, whether it's due to an injury.

And I wasn't able to train as hard as I needed to train and be prepared as much as I need to do, or whether it's even father time knowing that I just didn't have what it took. But I still went in and fought. And I still did it, put in the training that I had to put in, the best I could without injuring myself. What I say to that is that I keep pushing until I can't push anymore. I don't stop until I can't do anymore, and that means that my eyes have to be closed. That means I can't do anything because I'm not conscious.

Wow, that's unreal. And I feel like in business and moving into business, I got to keep that same mentality. Yeah. Because I got to keep pushing, moving into business, I gotta keep that same mentality. Cause I gotta keep pushing, keep meeting people, keep driving, don't take no for an answer, don't let people discourage me, don't tell people I can't, like I did earlier in life where people said you're not gonna do this,

you're not gonna do that. You know, because there are those people that are going to discourage you. There's gonna be those people who are gonna say, hey, you can't do it, why? Because they're trying to do the same things you're doing. And it's a struggle, it's a battle because it still is a fight.

It's a fight in business to reach a level and everybody's trying to get there. You don't think the guy next to you is struggling for the same position, you're struggling for. Isn't going to try to tell you something to rail you. Did you try to maybe take you off just a little bit? I mean, it's all the same thing, it's all the fight, but it's a mindset when you go into it that you refuse to lose. Yeah, you're going to destroy a business brother.

I can't just, I'm watching this. I'm just like, this is a laid out lake, because and you've already been destroying a business, but like the way you can articulate thoughts, like, there's very few people in your space, very few athletes, there's a few, but there are very few athletes who can translate thought towards like you do. I think a little of that, brother, and let's talk about this one thing, then we're going to transition into business completely. Here's a little thought I had. I think one of your first exposures to the business side of even sports was when you went into the WWE, because it's a business. I think it also helped probably improve your articulation and your communication. Exactly right. Okay, so many of you may not know this, but so Ken was this

unbelievable fighter that he was part of what you call it WD now. What is WWF? That right? They can't make up their mind. They can't make other mind, right? But it's many went into the business sort of a fighting and of entertainment as well. And that requires articulation. That requires marketing, right? It requires showmanship, it requires, because my theory, we're just talking about this now, business a lot today is about getting attention. Getting attention. And you've got to get attention to be a marquee product

in name and the WWE. Just real quick, how did that experience, what did I teach you, what did you learn from that experience being there that you could share with everybody too? That transition part of your career. And the biggest thing it did for me was when I went back into MMA after I had my experience in wrestling. Before that, there was no points.

Nobody was getting anything on the back end of Pay Per View. So here I was standing there and I had already gone through this with the agent in the pro wrestling and I was always involved that I was getting pay per view by rates. I was getting points off that and I was always involved, that I was getting pay-per-view by rates. I was getting points off that and I was also getting merchandise. So I started to learn how a big business works. Monatized. And the USC hadn't been a big business

until the Fertitas took it over and really built it up into a big business. But prior to that, it hadn't been really so, there was a point's coming off pay-per-view. People weren't getting anything off the merchandise. So here I was in the pro wrestling, and I was learning how this big business thing worked. And then when I went back into UFC,

the first thing I did was tell my agent that I want points. They were like, dude, they don't give points. And I said, well, that's when me and Dana had a conversation. And we were talking, I was actually out by the pool and he approached me and said, hey man, you know, love that we can play. I said, do I love to, you know. And I said, you know, I want this. And he says, well, man, we just don't have the money for that. And I was like, I was leading him, I was leading them, right? Yeah. I was like, okay, hey, no problem. I said, but how about we do this? I said, you know, we do so much over this. Over that number.

I get this and he looked at me and I said, he had never broken this number, you know? So he felt pretty safe like, okay, that I get a guarantee of this much. Yeah. All the greatest footed gravy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Over the paper view bias.

Yeah. And he yeah, yeah. Over the paper view buys. And he said, OK. And so we went there and almost doubled that number. It was the first time that they had ever gotten that high. Because I came back and actually fought and literally being teetled. We literally blew it up. blew it up.

Yeah. Do you think the guys fighting now have an idea of where their history is? Do you think they know that some of the way, they still don't make what I think they should make relative to some of the boxers, right? But do you think those guys have an appreciation that it was sort of you and a few of these guys that broke that mold over time? Do they tell you that or do they not know their history most of them? I think some of them do and then some of them are so locked in. I mean, I would probably be one of those guys that wouldn't look back at that moment.

Yeah, yeah. I think a lot of that recognition may come in after they get done fighting because really, and I don't take any offense to that because I know when a fighter is locked in, and they're trying to achieve certain goals, that all these other things going on outside in the world is blocked out, you know. So a lot of times like these guys will be fighting and then they're, it almost seems like they're rude or disrespectful but they're not. They're just locked in and they got a goal to achieve and don't feel like you're not being like they're like these guys who just locked in and a lot of, and to fans when you see a guy like that, sometimes some people are more personable and a little bit easier in their environment.

Some of them are just locked in and they got to this goal sometimes. You know, when you get into that tunnel, if you get into that tunnel, they're not gonna react for it. Yeah, no, you're right. I talk even with the fighters that I work with, I look, every amount of energy you expand outside, that tunnel is wasted energy. So, where they are, you know,

glad hand in with you, that's energy they've put there that could have been in that focus. So, let's talk about business now for a second. You're blowing this up already. I like some of the ideas you have about what you're going to do, too. And so first off, this would be real clear. You need to be following this guy on Instagram, right?

So they can find you. Is it under your name? Like, where do they find you on social media, first of all? So they know where to get you. Well, KenShammer.com is my website. Is that the big place you want them to go to find you? Yes, and a podcast, of course. Yeah, so what's the name of the podcast?

It's dangerouspodcast.com. Okay, so these are two big places. Then also he's growing in social media following too So we'll put some links on there, but you can all get right to him So you're getting access because you're not talking about just an athlete here You can tell you're talking about a motivator an inspire a guy with great business sense I think somebody who can be a great brand-endorcer like you've already been someone who obviously I'd have come in and speak We're gonna do some speaking stuff together like we've talked about. But talk a little bit about some of the ideas

you've got in business that you're focusing on right now because your heart is really to serve people. I think you're giving dude. I think we can talk about your faith at the end a little bit if you don't mind, we'll just touch on that one topic. But I do, it seems to me like you really care about these athletes, right? In their career and out of their career too.

And you wanna help elevate all these entrepreneurs too. There's this world of entrepreneurs that could benefit from the attention athletes could bring them. Some of the strategies, like it is not, it's crazy that for free, somebody right now is in the mind of a world champion. One of the few people that have ever walked the earth

that repetitively won championships in a sport, right? The first ever Hall of Famer in that sport, they can get access to you. They're good for free, but if they want to get immersion with you, they want to partner with you, they want to get in your environment, that's a different story altogether. So what are you doing with that stuff? Well, I tell you, my business partner, Des Wooder for myself, and he's really helped me almost mature into the world, like, so I'm a baby in this thing, but it's exciting to me, so I'm going to learn fast because I do like it. So as we went through a lot of these different trials and stuff, trying to figure out what direction

to go where we wanted to kind of put our energy into. And obviously we got into a podcast which gave us a great platform. We got this thing called Lions Cage, which people get on there and do like kind of like the shark tank, but it's on a podcast and they pitch ideas. And we poke holes in it. And eventually if there's a pretty good match there, we think that this thing has definitely got some potential. Then we basically go to them and we build in a strategic partnership with it. What a great idea.

What's it called? So they can hear this, so they might have an idea. It's actually, it's our podcast and it's called Lions Cage. Okay, so it's part of the podcast. Absolutely, you can go on there. And when you go on the podcast, you can see the part where it says Lionscage, and they even submit some of the ideas and stuff like that.

So that's been really big for us to really help us grow into the business world. But the other thing too is, is that we started a while back and we're not ready for it yet. Because me and me and Des have to build this mold. We're still building the mold and working through these different situations. Make sure that we work out any of the kinks or any of the

problems that we may see first before we go to these celebrities and these athletes and say, hey, you know, we got this and this. But what it is is celebrity and opportunity, ought to rate per neuro. It's the celebrity and entrepreneurial three. That's the website celebrity and entrepreneur, art trade, pernora, it's the celebrity and entrepreneur three. That's the website, celebrity, entrepreneur three. And what it is is the celebrity, it's the entrepreneur,

and then there's the business, which is the three. So we put that together, and what it is is really, we had watched several times and hearing things about how athletes have gone in, and they've been very successful and they've made a lot of money but then when they stop you know doing what they do they keep living the same lifestyle but they don't have the ability to be able to try to monetize their fan base or their popularity. And so what we try to do is go you know what we were already doing that

and I thought how can we can't do that with them? I've literally said that to Desert, go, how can we can't do that with them? Yeah. And he goes, you know what? We can. So he started working on it, came up with the CE3 and started putting the power. Great idea. And I want to help you with that. I'm telling you, this thing right here will change the world. Agents won't be happy about it. Right, right, right. Because what it is doing is imagine this if you had an entrepreneur instead of an agent. Now an agent basically manages everything

that's already done. Contracts, money coming in. Make sure you're getting what you're supposed to get. Yeah. Right, they do all that. But an entrepreneur goes out there and creates different business opportunities for you.

So let's say you're still fighting, right? And you're at the top of your game, you're popular. So then you're not pretty good to go out and go, hey, go over to Ford or Budweiser. Somebody say, hey, we want to do a commercial for you. We don't want any money. Well, hey, man, how about a sliver of some of the equity ownership? So instead, because they're already getting a lump sum of cash, right, with fights. So why don't we start now building in a retirement fund fund fund? It's brilliant. Saying, hey, guess what? We're not going to give you the lump sum of money, but we So why don't we start now building a retirement fund for them?

That's brilliant. Saying, hey, guess what? We're not going to give you the lump sum of money, but we're going to get you to make you a business owner with multiple businesses. Wow, you're fighting. What you're going to do is cut a problem. Yeah, the great idea is they can't spend that either. Right, it comes in.

It's exactly. It's going to be residual income. It will come in. And you can put that money away. They don't even really need that right now because they're making money off their fight. Yeah. And imagine having that in place on your team instead of an agent or maybe even an agent and an entrepreneur.

Yeah. So that entrepreneur is really going out and just locking down businesses for you, that you're getting equity ownership up, that you really don't even need it this time, but because you're popular and because you have that fame, you're able to go out there and knock down a couple commercials and grab after the ownership up a company that needs advertising. That's a wonderful idea man. So you have all this giftedness that you, it's obvious to you, but it's not obvious to you. You don't know that it's a giftedness.

There's not very many athletes ever who think like you're thinking. Well, thank you. No, it's true. And what you're doing is going to serve a lot of them who don't think that way, right? Yes. I think those of you that are watching, it's like you've got to see this. You've got access into the mindset now of like a world champion, but you also can see like,

from the business perspective, you can see where this guy's going, you're gonna follow his stuff, you're gonna stay connected with him and engage with him, because I don't even think this is the end of what you're doing. I think it's gonna go all these different directions as you and I partner and we get these other collaborations going too, so.

Well, it's just like my mindset, and I can see it's your mindset too, and a lot of successful people. I say this many times is that when you're born and people get to a certain point in their life, say someone wants to be a baseball player, a football player, a basketball player, and they make it. And they get to a 30 years old and someone stands around, the athlete goes, hey, I made it. And I look at it, and we made it. It's like, how long do you think you want to live in? Right.

You got six more years, man. You got six more years, man. You're making it to me. It's from the time that you're born to the time you're putting a ground. That's right. That's right. And I think that's where the problem is with a lot of these

guys is they get to that point and they say they made it. And they just kind of stop. And then when the sudden the money runs out and they now they have to reboot it. But they don't have the same ability as they used to have. Yeah, but what you've done, though, is their identity is athlete. And when athlete ends, they don't know who they Yeah, but what you've done, though, is their identity is athlete, and when athlete ends, they don't know who they are.

Whereas what you've done is you've taken your identity from athlete to businessman. I've watched stuff in your faith. I've watched how you give to people your ability to communicate. You never just stayed athlete, right? Right. You had different identities. Real quick, because we're running out of a little bit of time. I'm just curious.

I don't even know the answer to this. Has faith played any role in your career, your life for you? And is that something that you lean on, don't lean on? What would you tell me about that? Yeah, absolutely. When I was 10 years old, I was going through all those issues. I remember I was in between a group home and I was at home and I didn't want to be there.

So my biological mother at the time had gotten saved. And so she asked if I wanted to go to church and of course I wouldn't want to go but I didn't want to stay home where there was a lot of issues going on there so I went with her just in the church and I was gonna make fun of them right I was 10 years old this time and so here I'm walking into this this this this church and I'm going into the these kids program she goes into the big church and I remember I was really in general like you know I might see people walking on water, you know what's going to happen here, and those going to come in here, you know just trying to be, make fun of everything.

Well that day they were going out and actually handing out flyers to the neighborhoods, people that were home obviously wanting church. So it was like this thing where they were going to go try and promote right? Yeah. Market. Yeah. And go out, handy sliders out, give these things out. Well, they had these regly, spirmic guns stuck to these piece of paper, right? Just a chewing gum. And they would go and had this box and they would go up and he's fliers out.

Well, I'm not going up and talk to people about church. Right. The fact is, if I was to walk up to one of their doors, they'd probably call the police. Because it was my neighborhood, and I think everybody knew me by now. So here I am carrying the box, and I said, I'm going to carry the box, and it had all this bubble gum in there So here I have carrying the box and I said I'm gonna carry the box and it had

always bubble gum in there so I'm taking the gum off to make room. People going up with the flyers and they had this little sting they would say they had to do with the gum. And they'd handed to them and all of a sudden there's in the person will go there and I was looking at me and all that. It's chewing your gum. All right. So I remember the exact time it happened I was walking with the box. I was walking with the box and I was stepping off the curb and literally coming off the

curb and I felt this piece come over me. I wasn't looking forward. I wasn't asking for it. I mean a lot of people you talk about how people talk about face sometimes they're saying well you got to go out and urinate and you know you just just you know just just just bull you know and I and I respect anybody that has that it's their opinion. but this is what happened to me Yeah, and as I was stepping off the career, I felt this Remember I had been hugged remember I don't know what pieces. I don't know what comfortable is. I don't know what relaxed is And there I was

In this piece Happy yeah, I wasn't doing anything carrying a box happy. I wasn't doing anything, carrying a box. And I just, and it wasn't long at all, but I remember after it happened, I felt like I couldn't talk to anybody about it, like because it was gay. Like if I tell somebody they're going to take advantage of me, like, I don't want, because you know what I mean, I had this weird thing about, why do I have to be about love, or because like I said, I don't know what that I had this weird thing about love, because I didn't know what that was, the feeling, or the hug, you need that stuff.

So here I was going in, and I remember I walked in to the youth pastor, and it just came out, I don't know how it came out, I was like, hey man, I'll take this wrong, but something happened. And he was like, and I remember trying to explain it, so I said, man, I just felt free at peace. And then he started to come towards my memories. He wanted to embrace me right here.

You don't do that. Whoa. Not that kind of piece. It wasn't like he was going there, right? But because of my experience, it was like, whoa. So for me to try to say that kind of stuff, really hard. And so he said it was a Holy Spirit.

And of course, what is that? Right, right, right. You know, long story short, got baptized. Wow. And really basically stood in front of the church, told my story about what happened. I knew that 10 years old, and I would, and listen, remember this, this neighborhood,

this church was in my neighborhood. So as I'm standing up on this stage telling people what I had felt, all these people are looking at me and I stole that person's bike and I broke into that person's car, and all these people knew me, right? And here I was standing on stage talking to this congregation who looked at me like I was a villain. Right? So that was my experience, but I believe this wholeheartedly that because of that experience because right after that I went back into the group home. I wasn't at home.

It's in a home visit. So I went right back into placement. So for four years I was right back at to what I normally did, because no one was nurture mirror doing anything for me. But I believe that that seed was planted there, because unconsciously I was searching for that feeling again. So as life was going on, I constantly kept saying, you know what, this is not where I want to be.

Ended up at the Shamrock Boys Hall, my last chance, and they taught church there. Oh my gosh. Out of all the other homes I went to,. Ended up at the Shamrock Boys Hall, my last chance, and they taught church there. Oh my gosh. Out of all the other homes I went to, there was no church, and I kept running away from them. They didn't feel right. Wow, wow, wow, wow. They felt right to me.

I ended up at the Shamrock Boys Hall. They taught church there. That's right. And I succeeded there. God, brother. Did my faith play into my success? Absolutely, yes yes for me. Man that's such a thing. You got me right there bro.

Because we're both sinners. Oh yeah. That's great to go. That goes without saying right. We're still sinners right. But the bottom line is and the other thing too I want people to hear too. We don't get into faith that much but I just want to cover this. It is a personal thing. So yours is just a feeling stepping off the curb or some people at some other thing. It's a personal thing that you feeling that you know. But I'm so glad you shared that. Like, I love you brother.

I think you're awesome man. Thank you. I really, really enjoyed that. I have so many more things I want to ask you. In fact, I want to make a deal with you. Will you start getting some of these other ventures going? Let's do this again. I'll do another one.

We're going to get into some of the real business stuff. Well, some tells me, man, maybe you'll be doing some stuff. Yeah, we are. Boy, our brother. I like really enjoyed today. The job enjoyed brother. I like really enjoyed today. The Joel enjoyed today. I know you enjoyed today. Thank you Ken. Thank you so much brother and if you enjoyed this today here's the only thing I ask. The suckers free. I just want you to review it where you are right now.

Reve a good review. Leave a good review rather. The reason for that is it moves up the rankings then people around the world hear this particularly in third world countries. It has to move up the rankings for them to get access to this powerful man's information in mind as well. So please give it a review. God bless you, brother. Thank you. Max out, everybody.

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