THE ED MYLETT SHOW - Loyal to the Vision w/ The Undertaker

Episode Date: June 10, 2020

How do you stay at the top of your game for 30+ years? If you want to WIN, you must BECOME your definition of success even before you’ve made it! When you’re building a business or climbing the corporate ladder, as the years go on, there is a physical and mental toll that you must learn how to deal with if you’re going to last! My next guest is the world’s most well-known and longest-tenured WWE superstar in the history of the organization! He is a seven-time WWE world heavyweight champion and one of the greatest superstars of all time! With a streak of over 21 straight victories and a multiple times headliner for Wrestle Mania I know you’ve heard of him! I am so excited to bring you, Mark Calaway, AKA The Undertaker! In this interview, Mark shares his habits, rituals, and routines that empowered him to remain at the top of his game and the top of the WWE for over 30 years AND we dive deep into how YOU can implement them into your life to achieve your greatest successes. You’ve got to have all the right pieces to become great! “I lived this thing…” Mark actually BECAME the Undertaker. His words embody the passion and commitment and dedication you must have to accomplish greatness. It’s not just about your performance in the ring. What you do, how you live, and what’s in your heart OUTSIDE of the ring is just as, if not MORE important. You’ll learn the key elements to becoming a LEADER and the number one core value you MUST have. You’ll learn how to build trust within your organization and how you can make a comeback DESPITE the effects of COVID-19! With a surprise appearance from Mark’s wife, Michelle McCool, an acclaimed WWE superstar herself, together they share their story on how they cope with having experienced 3 miscarriages. This interview gets DEEP, it gets EMOTIONAL and it will help you get the RESULTS you’re fighting for. Living your dream is by far the GREATEST feeling you will ever experience. Mark shares what it was like for him at the moment he realized he made it and how that energy transformed his entire life. If you are on a journey to achieve your GOD-SIZED dreams, this interview is for you!  

This is the Admire Show. Welcome back to Max out everybody. I'm Ed Mylett, fired up about today because this is a man that I've admired from a distance. We have some mutual friends that connected us. And today is about really the longest tenure W.E. superstar in the history of the organization. Kind of a leader in the locker room, more television appearances than anybody ever had the streak at WrestleMania forever. But what I'm excited about is we get to talk out of character now, not just in character the whole

time. So we can talk about life and growth and longevity and being productive with someone who's highly qualified to do it. So my guest today is the Undertaker, aka Mark Calloway, so Mark, thanks for being here brother. No, thanks for having me, man. I'm excited. The thing that stands out the most about you to me is, we've been doing this a long time. Real long time, 30 years with WWE and then I was in the business another three years before I got that break.

So yeah, going on 33 plus years in the wrestling business. And not only you guys, and by the way, many of you listeners are WWE fans and many of you are not. And I think we're gonna be able to navigate both worlds today. But guys, 30 plus years in his industry, the mental toll, the physical toll, the traveling toll, all of those things. And a lot of entrepreneurs listen to my stuff, Mark. A lot of people who want to win, one of the things I always say

is the best ability is availability. Absolutely. Being available. You've somehow done that better than any human being in the history of the WWE. What are some of the things that have been the key to that? Or it was just fortunate over time or whether the things you think you did, other guys didn't? I think it's a little of both. I was fortunate to be in the right place at the right time, but I knew my passion. And I realized that this business is so competitive that you have to be present and you have to make yourself available.

And then you also have to realize that everything's kind of on a wheel. And sometimes you're going to be that, you know, everything's kind of on a wheel. And sometimes you're going to be at the top of that wheel. And sometimes you're going to be at the bottom. But the goal, obviously, is always to, you know, you know, from try to kind of be up at that top. So, you know, there's been a lot of times where, yeah, I would be at the top. And then, you know, you'd start to slide down as other people come in and fresh faces are, you know, there's been a lot of times where, yeah, I would be at the top. And then, you know, you'd start to slide down as other people come in and fresh faces or, you know, any that you accept that, or you figure out, okay, what do I do to get myself back up to the

top and become relevant? And I was, I think a lot of it was being fortunate, but a lot of it was not being content. And that's one of the things I always tell these young guys when they're coming up and they're kind of starting to get a little bit of the taste and a push, it's like, don't ever be content in this business because once you become content, you're satisfied and you cease to grow. And they look at it and you're like, oh, you know, well, I just got recognized at the waffle house and you got a

freak cup of coffee. I was like, well, that's your goal. You were in the wrong business, man, because it's too hard a life to not want to be at the top of that circle and to be at the top of the page. Yeah. I say that all the time. Guys, this is what I wanted Mark on today. Everything he's going to say is going to be part W-O-W-E,

part life. And really in life, if you set these low standards for yourself, you keep hitting them, you're going to hold yourself back. But he's really saying he's set a higher standard. And by the way, everyone, I got to tell you this. I was just telling Mark, I just watched the entire, I guess you call it, docu-series or documentary called The Last Ride that Mark is a part of. It's gripping. It's not just WWE, it's about life, it's about family, it's about

he and Michelle who's going to be joining us at some point probably today as well. And one of the things that I noticed about you brother on the, that 30 year arc was how hard you are in yourself. How self-aware you are particularly is it open. I won't give the whole thing away, but it opens up with your match with Roman Reigns and you're injured at the time and maybe not at the top of your game. And to watch you watch you back in that video. It made me emotional. I was out on my balcony alone. It was like 11 o'clock last night and I literally got tears in my eyes

because I so admired your self-reflection, your awareness and your desire. Even at that time, you're probably 52, probably in your 50s already, right? You're 55 years old, guys. And if you're watching YouTube, look at this man's physique right? But talk about that like setting that standard for yourself being aware, you setting the highest standard for yourself, not not vents, not someone else but you. Yeah, I'm my toughest critic and

always have been. You got everybody telling you through your course of your career especially when you're coming up, oh man, you're great, you're this, you're that. And I mean, yeah, that's fine. And, but you have to, you've got to take that and you have to put it aside. And it's like when I watch my back when I was coming up and I watch my matches back, good, bad, and different. I always had to watch them alone,

because I didn't want any feedback from anybody else saying oh man. That was that was great. That was oh, man When how did you do that? That was so cool? You know, I wanted to watch even on the good stuff. I wanted to watch and see what I did wrong I wanted to know what okay in that situation. What could I have done better? To make that match better and that's like said, that's how you continue to grow. The Roman match at WrestleMania, that was tough. And what was so good about the doc was that was the actual first time that I watched it back.

Being later in my career, at that point when I watched it back, I was pretty much done. I was like, I can't, my body's give out on me. I can't. And I have to start thinking long term after 30 plus years. And so that was, that was really raw and real because I knew, I knew, I knew it was going to be tough to watch. And then having to do it in that environment with cameras on me. And then it was, you know, you had an out of character too, right? I mean, you look at the out of character, right? So you got what you got is, is, is Mark thinking in his head like, you know,

there's a lot of things that I wanted to say. Obviously that would have been bleepaped and edited because I was so disappointed. And I just disappointed for me, I was disappointed for Roman in that sense. I thought that. Because it was my opportunity to give him something that was going to push him to a higher level. And I didn't deliver on that

And I can't make it. Yes. I was banged up and beat up, but I was there so You know, I have a respond in my mind. I have a responsibility If my name is on is on the page then you got to go and I was just I got I New when I knew in January that I was physically, I was physically not going to be at my best, but it was too late at that point. Like, so I'd already committed, it's already bound, this is what's going to happen. And I was scrambling trying to figure out how to, you know, how I was going to make this work.

and trying to figure out how to, you know, how I was gonna make this work. And it just, I was, yeah, I was thoroughly disappointed and then there we go. Then the documentary kind of gets rolling because initially, you know, initially, it was just, I had those guys there to cover that weekend. That's all I was gonna be.

It was always gonna be, because I said I thought that was going to be it. Yeah. The stuff with the hat and the coat, everything in the ring, all that was just raw and real. And, you know, so I'm not going to get another chance to catch the stuff backstage and my interactions with my peers and fans and I just wanted that and not knowing what we were going to have but I knew that I wasn't going to have another chance to get it. Yeah. Guys, I'm going to tell you, Mark's being humble.

I don't care if you're WWE fan or not. If you're a fan of achievement, of redemption, of comebacks, which a lot of people need right now, learning about a beautiful marriage and how it can make a man stronger. You should go watch this. I gotta tell you, the last ride is I watched the entire thing and the thing that, you know, the reason

that the show is called Max Out. And Mark, you know what, Maxing Out a career, that's the definition of Mark's life in the WWE as the Undertaker. He's maxed out that career and I have a funny feeling he's not done, which we'll talk about at the end. But I got to tell you all something. What he's describing here guys, this not believing your press clipping scene, not buying into all the Raran hype and accolades you get. I talk a lot about is your will to win for sale.

And yeah, people can lose their will to win when they lose, but you can lose your will to win when you win. In other words, enough accolades, enough money, enough success, it buys your will to still want to get better. It buys your will to want to improve. The thing that I love about Mark and watching him was, you can't buy this man's will to win. And I think that's linked to the 30 year plus career. The other guys, the accolades, the success, the access to different things at some point stole their will to prepare. And I'm not doubtful that you didn't get off track a couple times, but you're getting back on track. And I got to ask you, because even as you're talking, it's a little odd

for me to talk to you as Mark, because I think, unlike, this is why the last ride is so interesting, too. You've done very few interviews ever, not as the character. Did you take that to the extreme? I ran into you in an airport when I was very young. I'll tell you about that in a minute. Like you were in character at the airport when I was there. We were at a baggage claim, guys, and I don't know how old I was.

The Mark and I aren't even that far apart in age, but I was on one of my first business trips. I was at a baggage claim guys and I don't know how old I was the Mark and I aren't even that far apart in age But I was on like one of my first business trips. I was at a baggage claim I never came I didn't say anything to you But I watched you interact with the fans first yet you're back with you for about 40 minutes brother And you've probably done this hundreds of times and I watched you talk to every single fan take every single picture Shake every single hand and I watched him look them in the eye, too, and I said I like this dude shake every single hand and I watched them look them in the eye too and I said I like this dude but You look like the undertaker not with the you know, I make up on but it seemed like you were kind of halfway in character Am I crazy or did you do that in real life when you went out? No, I I live this thing

I I really did when I when I started and this character was so unique especially for the time period Dents had all these over the top, these all over the top characters and he, he gave me this. The whole, the original lightness, the name was all Vince's brain child. And he give it to me. And he said, this is your opportunity. And so I took it from there. So when we developed, when I started developing the character,

I was like, there's only one way that this is gonna work. And it was a lot simpler back then because there, there wasn't cell phones and people recording everything that you do, but I said, I've got to be this, for this to work. I can't be that on TV and then be at the airport in a Hawaiian shirt, you know, slapping high fives and it, because it was too big to me, it was too big a disconnect.

And there was a lot of opportunities that I was presented with early on that I passed on. Like people thought I was absolutely nuts but you'd have to realize that this was my passion. Like being a professional wrestler, being with the WWE, that was me, right? I mean that's what my focus was. And yes, I had opportunities to go and do a lot of different things. But in my head, like, okay, this is my passion. Now, how am I gonna go off and do this

and be this completely different character and then come back and expect people to buy into what I was doing? There's all the elements of being the greatest. So he's being humble, but he's the greatest of all time. He's the most respected guy in the locker room, most longevity, by the way, he's not gonna tell you this,

kind of known as being involved in maybe three of the top three matches of all time also has one guy in common, him, and you guys, forget what you do. You're an engineer listen this, you're a school teacher listen to this, you're an entrepreneur. There are elements that he's giving you

that are the pieces to being great. And one of them, I'll help him say this because he's got so much humility is his loyalty. It's his loyalty. When he's saying he passed on things, let me be specific. He passed on movie roles and things like that that he could have done out of character.

There were times where he was offered more money to leave the organization like other guys did that were hot. And he stayed and was loyal. And I think loyalty is a very undervalued commodity in becoming a leader. And you're sort of a leader in the locker room for that organization. I gotta think that, and I like you to talk about

both these things, Mark, one is being a leader and the way you do it, because I get the feeling you're not a rar-ra dude, jump up and down and, you know, all that, but you are a leader in the organization. And then, since we're on that topic, talk about the very unique relationship you have with the overall leader of the organization in VITS, McMahon, it seems that that's become a special friendship forged through loyalty, probably more than anything. And I think that friendship's been both good to his career and your career as well. So speak to those couple things.

Yeah, absolutely. So as far as being the leader, it was never really, it was never really something like I tried to pursue, it just kind of happened through the years. It was never really something like I tried to pursue. It just kind of happened through the years. And I fell into this unique position where the boys, the guy, the wrestlers, they saw what the business meant to me and that the business always came first.

No matter what, the business came first. When we're out on the road, obviously, your family comes first. But in a business sense, when I'm on the other, I don't care how late we stayed out, how whatever we did, night life wise, it did not affect the next day's performance. If it did, then you knew you were going to get, you know,

you get pulled aside and say, look, if you can't handle this, then maybe you shouldn't be doing this. Because at the end of the day, it depends on what we do for our audience the next day. Guys appreciated that. But they knew, like, okay, hey, you know, takes one of us, he goes out, and he has a good time,

just like everybody else. but it bell time, all that goes out the window until after it's all over with. And so yeah, so there was this, and then I had the also, I had the trust of what we call the office, you know, there's the office and then there's the boys. Somehow another, I kind of landed in the middle. I was always accepted as one of the boys. Somehow another, I kind of landed in the middle. I was always accepted

as one of the boys, but the office knew that they could trust me. And there were a lot of times like whoever our talent relations VP was. There was a lot of times they would come to me and say, hey, this is, you know, we're having this issue and I could go to the guys or a guy or a person pull them aside and say, look, man, you know, I understand and they appreciate that because they know that I've been through everything possible to go through. So, you know, it wasn't like, oh, well, you know, undertakers are stooge for the office and he's trying to, right, you know, they trusted me. So I had that trust on each side, but I could, many times I could talk to somebody and say, Hey, look, this is, this is their perspective.

You okay? I understand your perspective, because I'm, you know, I'm talent, right? I'm, I'm with you., I'm talent, right? I'm town. I'm with you So a lot of times that happened and I could divert bigger issues with guys If they could kind of get over you know if they could get over the ego and then they knew and they trusted me enough like well You know takers not gonna screw me over so it worked out it worked it worked out really nice. And then with events and the loyalty and everything else, I, so I was told by WCW. I was told I went, I've been there for about a year. My contract was coming up.

And I went in to renegotiate my contract. And I wasn't looking for a huge bump, but I was looking for, you know, I'd been, I had a pretty good year, and I was just looking for a slight, just a slight bump. And I was told by, you know, Jim Hurt who was running the company at the time, Oli Anderson and Jim Barnett, They looked me square in my eyes and they said, you're a great athlete, but no one's ever gonna pay money to watch you wrestle. Seriously, okay. That's all I needed to hear.

So Vince, so I get a meeting with Vince and he eventually gives me that opportunity opportunity and that's all he ever promised me was an opportunity. He did ever told me hey you're gonna be you're gonna be this guy here for 30 years and do all these things he said I'm gonna give you an opportunity. When I did become a commodity when WCW wanted me back you know they wanted to pay me big bucks because they were paying everybody big bucks. Yeah you You know, it's like, no, I can't do that. I got you know, they're all from me a lot more money, but this is the man who made me and that's just the way it is. And then obviously we just, our, our, we've been through so much together, professionally, personally, that, you know,

most times now, I don't even deal that's hardly when it comes to business. Our relationship 90% of the time is more of that of friends than it is of business. Unless there's a special ask that nobody else wants to ask me to do that they don't care. You're the only one that's going to be able to get him to do it. So, yeah. Well, I think what comes to use second nature, which is loyalty, isn't second nature for most people. And I think that's one of the other elements. I've seen Michelle sitting back there. Yeah, really, yeah.

Come on in. So there's Michelle, everybody. And when you all get the chance to watch this docu-series, you'll get it, okay? But I'm glad you joined at the perfect time. Thank you for doing that. Thank you. Because what I want to shift to involves both of you. I want you both to comment on it.

Let's be real. We just had COVID, right? The economy's in the tank. Things aren't going good. There's millions of people that have had a job and lost it right now. There's entrepreneurs that had a business that are losing it. There's people that got really fit the last couple years

haven't even go to a gym in three, four months. They've lost a little of their fitness. Bottom line is, there's millions of people around the world right now that need to make a comeback. And as I was prepping for this, and then I watched the last ride, I'm like, oh man, all right, this is perfect. Because what really happened was guys, when you watch this,

it's really becomes a part of how these two people in love with each other, unified, and create a comeback in his career because Michelle is it is and was at WWE Superstar in her own right everybody And we'll talk a little bit about that in a minute too But talk a little bit about the comeback because it's pretty cool. You watch it like I was a broken down Seedoo repair place or whatever that thing was if you were training in It was yeah or whatever that thing was if you were training him. I'm a waiter. Yeah. What was that? It was, yeah. That place, that place hadn't been touched.

It was not Sanitary Act until I got it. I don't think anybody had even walked in that place in over 15 years. Oh, it was bad. They just blew my mind because I'm like, the greatest WWE superstar of all time ends up making his comeback in a place that's like, no, it's been in for like, it looked like they're in the middle of nowhere, like in a place that's like no one's been in for like it looked like they're in the middle of nowhere like an abandoned whatever they were in you know and and that's where the comeback started but let's talk about that for a minute I want to set the stage for

everybody for whatever your career is this is a man who's climbed the top of his industry right and Michelle's also been at the top of that industry he ends ends up for his last, he's gonna have his last match and doesn't go the way he wants it to. And over time, it gnaws at him a little bit. Like anybody, he wants to make a comeback. It's like many of you right now listening to this driving in your car or you're finally back on a treadmill at the gym, listening to this. And imagine after 30 years, his body's beating up,

he's already been to the top, he doesn't need to do it. He's already the most admired dude in the sport yet he makes come back. What were some of the things mentally that you both had to do in order to create the mindset where you're willing to go do that work again? Like you changed your body. The Roman range match to the comeback, Mike, you just physically look like a different person, right? So talk a little bit mentally what you had to do to do that. What were some of the elements? And both of you can comment on it. I think one thing that's key for both of us is the

blessing and the curse is we're both completely stubborn. So sometimes so that helps out like in situations like this. You know, we both have the. If you go to do something, you're going to get it done and do it right and go after it and just give it your all. I think being stubborn helped. Yeah, definitely wasn't going to let that be the last memory that people had of me. So, as you get older, you have to accept the fact that you're going to have to put in twice the work and get half the results. You have to accept that fact. So I had to make the, we had to make the, the mental decision like, okay, if I'm going

to do this, I mean, we got to go. And she's like, all right, that's what you want to do. Then we're going to do it. So on her end, she drops everything that she's got to do to make sure that I've got meal prep. And I've got all my appointments lined up like for rehab, stretching, all these different things. But normally, she took all that worry off the table. And then so then it's just the training aspect. And then the

training was obviously getting my hip fix which was covered pretty well in the in the in the doc. That allowed me to train at a much different level. And then that was kind of a, that alone was a breath of fresh air. Although it's, you know, that's one little part of my body that I have issues with, that was the main one. Was there doubt Mark, like, hey, I'm gonna come back and have a second match.

I'm not proud of and I'm gonna embarrass myself or something like that. because I think a lot of people right now that are thinking about making a comeback. They're like, I follow my face again. I don't know if I can handle doing that again. Did you have any of that? You know, Michelle, were you worried about that? Um, no, but I know how he operates and I was worried that he was. I mean, knowing him, I think, safe to say, you're probably thinking that it was in the back of your head, which is the reason you're going back in the first place, because you weren't happy of, you know, from the last watch, and just kind of out there to prove something. So, I knew he wanted to do it, but I think in the same regard, we're both the type of people, you can't fear failure. If you're going to do it, go out there, you know, learn from the past mistakes, and like

he just said, train the best way possible for his body to get into the ring and you know see what happens. Just can't figure out here that failure. It looked to me like and I think there's a huge lesson in this guys. I'm seeing I want y'all to watch this thing. I'm not pumping the documentary. I'm just telling you I'm making impact on you. I know, WWE fan, of course it would, but the millions of you listening to me right now that aren't, it'll make an impact on you where you are in your life. You're gonna see what mission, they're both really humble people, you're gonna see what Michelle did. I think what made the comeback work, guys, I don't think you can dabble in your comeback.

Like they threw the kitchen sink, it was like shocking awe at this thing. All hands on deck, the whole family family rallied they get this place set up Even the little details mark with like the banners of the other dudes and you up in there like you're looking you said one point You said those guys are watching me right like to me man like that was it was like a almost like a real life Rocky movie for real And then everybody and I'll warn you this, then he comes back and he does great, but it's not even really what he wished for. It wasn't like, it was five minute match, right? Train for 30, 40 minutes.

And so even when you get your comeback, the first time you come back, it may not even be exactly what you wanted. And then he went past that moment, true mark. It wasn't what you were looking for. Yeah, I trained for a 45 minute all out back and forth. War and was so ready for that. And then I got there the day of and that's, that's, you know, it's going to be five minutes.

And you're going to be a romp and stomping dragon. And, you know, and that's what we sell. I mean, we sell, we sell entertainment. We don't sell time. And so we're just talking the other day about how life and resting matches are so parallel, right? Like, you know what your ultimate finish is going to be or what you would like it to be, but you're going to get knocked down. You're going to get beat up. You're going to have like a little hope spot where there's this ray of light.

Like, Oh, I can do this. You're going to get knocked back down again. You know, then you have this comeback and it can be this great comeback and you can finish on top or it can be a great comeback and then you just get knocked back down and what do you do from there? You know, you can hit your choice. What happens there? If you decide to stay down, then that's that's kind of going to dictate the rest of your life really. If you accept it, if you accept where you're at, I couldn't accept after watching that match back, I couldn't accept leaving on those terms. And then I knew where I wanted to be. I knew like, okay, this is this is what we got to do to get to get to the point

where I want to be. That's powerful, man. Like Malcolm X has this great quote, it says, that which you do not hate, you will eventually tolerate. You almost have to hate where you're at. And that's not a negative thing. To want to move out of it, if you accept it, as you said, you're there.

Speaking of that like life story, Michelle, can I get personal a little bit with you guys? Yeah. Okay, oh, you got them come from there. You're like a I think, well. So I always do that on the show. So I want to know what really makes this work. Because guys, that was part of their comeback.

But I watched you, Michelle. I noticed like little things. Maybe I'm crazy. You had a jacket on at one point that said, God is dope. And I'm wondering how faith, whatever you want to talk about that, how faith plays into your lives or your marriage and it does that give you strength

or is that not part of your life or is it just a random jack in a song? Oh no, it's not random by any stretch of the imagination. Yeah, no, that definitely gives us strength. That mean life's gonna be any easier. That mean we're gonna have stuff thrown at us that sucks, but that's life. And we just have to trust that whatever's meant to be is in God's plan.

And we've had a lot of things we've had to overcome that people, they forget that you're people. And so we've had a lot of issues that we've had to overcome personally while all this is going on. And yeah, we have to lean on our faith. Without getting super personal, but I want, if you will, I want to talk about this for you.

Just because I want to help people, this shows to help people, right? And everything's imperfective. You know, you've lost your career, it's horrible, but you can come back from that, right? Tonight, I've series of interviews where I'm the guest, the rest of the day today, and then I fly on a red eye and tomorrow morning I'm at the funeral for a 25 year old boy that was the son of a friend of mine. And one of the most emotional moments on my show is I had a woman on a Jenna Kutcher, and she's had children, but they also lost a child.

She miscarried. And I know that you guys have had loss in your lives as well. How have you dealt? Is it been your faith? Is it been, is it strength into your marriage? When you've gone through loss, do you mind talking about either specifically or generally how you guys have gone through loss together?

Yeah. We are tired in 2011 to try and have a baby. I didn't think that was anything, you know, no big deal, no retire. I'm young, I'm healthy, my mom and her sisters have had kids. Well, come to find out, I struggle with infertility. And so, did IVF first rounds, shots don't bother me, only produced, I have a problem with producing eggs. So the quality spine, quantity, just doesn't exist. Produced forex, too matured, we transferred both and had our daughter, Kaya. Okay, no big deal like the shots don't bother me. This is perfect. We

can do it. So I think when she was, all of everyone is kids. And so when she was seven months old, we started trying again. And mind you again, this is, you know, during all of this come back for the past seven years, surgery, train, WrestleMania. I've done 14 rounds of IVF, three miscarriages. And, you know, it's frustrating. It's hard. It's doesn't make sense. You know, but you know there's a reason. So we have to lean on each other and that's what we do.

We're obviously blessed. I know there's people out there that can't have any kids whatsoever. So and believe me, the one we have is a handful. So, there might be a reason, but um, well thank you. I'm really grateful. I wasn't sure whether I was going to ask you that or not. I'm really grateful that you shared it because, one, I want people to know that you are human beings and that, you know, everyone's saying to me, I know, man, there's a lot of people in pain in the world. There's always a lot of people in pain. There's just a lens on it right now that might be a little bit more bright.

And I'm so great who you're willing to say that because I want people to see, look at these two people. They're in love, right? Like two people in love can do great things in their lives in spite of tremendous obstacles, right? Mark lost a brother, I think, this year. You've had these miscarriages. You've had these injuries.

You've had physical setbacks. And that's why I wanted to start with faith. And then see if you were willing to share that. I want y'all to know that you can win in your life and you can have redemption in your life. And that part of life is going through really difficult times in life. And I really appreciate you sharing that because it really,

there's a lot of people in the world who are going through something like that. And I promise you you sharing that's made a difference. So thank you. I really do appreciate it. I hope so. When you get here, the interview would get better. I knew it.

I'm getting accepted. I accepted it. I accepted it. I'm kidding. I don't want to make Mark mad at me. So I was just kidding brother. So you're going to say something, Michelle. Go ahead. I'm sitting there, man. With that? She's about to go too far.

So a couple of things I want to talk about. We're not going to have a ton of time, but I want to make sure I cover a couple of things that are important to me. I want to ask you both We're not going to have a ton of time, but I want to make sure I cover a couple of things that are important to me. I want to ask you both the question, because I think it's a super unique experience you both have. What's it feel like to walk out in front of 20, 30, 40, 50, 80,000 people? What is that? All the work, all the training, all the dreaming of it.

What is that moment? I've had good fortune. I'm getting goosebumps to speak in front of crowds to that big, right? So, but from your perspective, what does it feel like to actually be living your dream? Like, you step in and you're actually, there's had to be a moment I've had

where you're like, I'm in the middle of my dream right now. Like, I dream this and I'm doing it. What is that like for each of you? Yeah, it's cool. I remember, first big WrestleMania, you know, you walk out and there's all these people and I'm a bad girl on TV, but all I want to do is just smile from, you know, cheek to cheek to be looking around like this can't be real and I'm supposed to be really, you know, mean right now, but look at that, you know, this is amazing. It's just, it's hard to soak in those

moments in the moment, so it's really important to try to hard to soak in those moments in the moment, so it's really important to try to remember to soak in those moments, you know, in the moment because they won't always be there and they are very special. What about you Mark? Yeah, it's just amazing. When I decided to start in on this journey of being a professional wrestler, I never could envision wrestling at Texas stadium in front of over 100,000 people. I mean, and that happened late, that happened late in my career. We broke

the indoor attendance record and all that, all that stuff. And it was just, I just remember, and trying to be in character and focus on what I had to do, but it was pretty damn cool. It makes all that training. It makes all the aches and pains that I live with every day. You forget about it just for that. People ask me why my entrance is just so long. It's like, I just, you absorb all that energy. But, you know, that's what I'm doing. I'm like, this is, this is,

Well, they're hip some knees are bad, not as well as general. But there wasn't always, there was always a time when I was healthy. And it was just, it's just amazing to feed off of that energy. And it's amazing what that energy does to you physically and mentally. It's more for me, especially, that's more of a payoff than what the monetary is gonna be. It really just, it know if we're being real or you still chasing that feeling. I tell you it's a it's a it's a it's a very I don't

know what it's a very weird web that I weave because my mind tells me when I get ready for something, regardless of how I feel, which normally, I mean, I have my, you know, I have my aches and pains, but on that way to the ring, I feel invincible. I feel invincible and like I can do it forever. And then I can, and then I could go, then I go and do what I have to do. And then I come back and the adrenaline wears down and that's when reality sets in. And that's the, so that's the, that's the, the, you know, the game, that's the, the wheel that you're on there.

But that walk to the rain, man, there's, there's nothing better than that. And it will definitely mess with you mentally. You're like, shoot, I could do this forever. Well you're kind of proving that's true but it's interesting to me because of all people to hear someone say that probably with you it's the coolest because you're so stoic when you're doing it. You know you don't get to express that energy until you actually get in the ring in your character. But I'm also curious, and Michelle, have you mentioned this to me?

What about, as I think as pressure increases, great people at anything have a way of almost slowing down and performing at a higher level. And one of the things that's been marked in your case is in some of the biggest moments you've delivered the best, right? Like, I think to the Shawn Michaels match or the Triple H stuff, I mean, those are, those are known as like from a, and I'm not a wrestling expert, but from an execution standpoint, like the best execution in the biggest moments in the history of, you know, the entertainment of your sport, talk about that a little bit for both of you. Have you been able to do that? Like you are you able to get more focus and executed a higher level when the pressure is there has that separated you from say guys that don't last 30 years?

Because I have to think it does. Yeah, no, you want. I do any personal. I want that that job and it was so funny Especially there's another layer to that like when you get to WrestleMania There's nothing I mean to get to WrestleMania. All right. That's that's awesome to be on the card I'm being on the card with somebody with Sean like the caliber of Sean Michaels Then you're then the ego kind of kicks in a little bit too, where you don't put this match on last, you make it a really big mistake.

So that's especially on the first one, like we felt like we should be on last and it's like, okay, not only we were, I mean, you can't, Sean Michaels could have a great match with a broom, okay? I mean that's just how great he is So and it's it's fun to be able to work with guys like that because I don't have to worry about them One he's not intimidated because he's in the ring with the undertaker and So I don't have to worry about what Shawn Michaels is going to do because I know Sean Michaels is going to do Sean Michaels, which allows Undertaker to do Undertaker. And then because there was an incredible chemistry, it was just a phenomenal result. I don't think anybody wanted to follow that match.

I bet they all wish they were on the last. But that did put a little bit of a chip on our shoulder as well. It's like, okay, all right, let's go through this, right? But yeah, you have to, I mean, you have to wanna live for those moments. That's the, you know, you're down, you're down six points in the Super Bowl and you're on your own 10-yard line and you've got to drive the field. You want those moments if you want to be great and you want to consider yourself one of the great, if you want to have that If you don't want to steal the show, you shouldn't be there.

It's not always going to happen, but you've got to have that desire. And if you don't desire to have those moments, then you're really missing out on the whole big picture of the thing. You just heard the mindset, y'all. You just heard the mindset. And I don't care who you are, You just heard the mindset, y'all. You just heard the mindset. And I don't care who you are, you know, their moments have been in front of thousands of people. But if you're a human being, there's going to be a handful of moments that define your life. Every human being, there's a handful of moments that define lives. And it could be the moment where an opportunity is presented to you in a business and you take it and jump on it or you don't. It could be the moment where you meet your soulmate and you find the courage to walk across the room and talk to or him

or you don't. Right? There's these moments, look at him. There's these moments. What I like, I kind of got from this from this thing too, is like, I think Mark's like a little bit of a softy romantic dude too, which is sort of bizarre when I'm watching the video. You know, definitely. Yeah. He gets a little offended when I always say that never wanted to mean because I tell him he didn't look all warm and fuzzy. It's not like he's the most inviting character to look at on TV. He's always like really I'm like, yeah, like who would want to. But she follows that. You follow that up with you. You follow that

up with, you know, really not in the long hair and tattoos That was the truth. I'm not warm and fuzzy We want a sweet personality one me over after many many many months I'm not warm and fuzzy. I don't want I don't want to meet him. He's not warm and fuzzy I don't like low hair and I don't like tattoos. Yeah, that's my guy Green man. Well, hey, you don't get to say that because this beautiful as Michelle is you picked her evidently because she could throw a football Priority tell him I want y'all to hear this. This is how this man selected his soulmate tell him This help no, this, this helped considerably. Actually, no, no, no, no, no, actually, the first thing, I mean, so than anything was our work ethic.

That caught my attention more than the blonde hair, blue eyes, and everything else that goes to that. It was our work ethic. Okay, so she's on the radar. Right? So, early, you know, on a TV day, we get there sometimes noon, one o'clock, and the crews haven't set up the ring and the chairs, so you basically got the whole floor of an arena. So I used to have in one of the cases on the trucks, I had a football. So kill a little bit of time during the day if we didn't have anything to do. You know, some of the guys will get up there

and throw the ball back and forth, right? Some guys can throw a football, some guys can't throw a football. I happen to be out there with a few guys that day that could not throw a football very well. So anyway, somebody drops something happen. The ball hits the floor and is rolling. And here she comes.

She was walking out onto the floor, you know, and she picks the ball up. It was about, I want to say probably about a 30 yard, 35 yard spiral. I mean, it was, it was a bullet. Caveman kicked in, I was like, I had never seen a girl throw football like that. You know what I'm telling you? And like the funny part is, a couple of the guys just like, dropped their head, shrugged their shoulders

and walked out of the arena. And we had on the football back and forth again, dropped their head, shrugged their shoulders and walked out of the arena. We had on the football back and forth again, I was like, this is great. This is it. Yeah, so. Tell me this story, but we were doing an interview with Busted Open and Mark Henry said, at that very moment, you turned to JBO and and said that's going to be Mrs. Callaway. That may not have happened.

That is the coolest story. So he don't look anything like it. You like and he put you because you throw a football. I know you've got this amazing relationship. So this is it. Hey guys, there's hope for all of you. Right. I hope for everybody.

All right. Last thing. No lying, we're friends now. So I want the truth. All right, let's break it here. Truth. Are you coming back, both of you? Like, when are we gonna see you back legit? No BS, or will we see you back and when? Well, my daughter doesn't like apparently.

I went back to the all women's pay-per-view to evolution because my daughter had never seen me wrestled. Apparently she doesn't like seeing me get kicked and punched and all that. She doesn't mind her daddy and in fact somebody asked if they wanted her, if she wanted him to retire and she said no way like he still needs more practice because he can't even beat me and And I was like, oh, okay. But she doesn't like to see me wrestle, but I do love it.

And I've always just said all they have to do is ask. So go, that's a yes, that's a yes. We'll see you back. And what about you? I'm not there yet. I'm deaf from that thrilled about working in front of no audience, especially after elaborating on how I feed off of that crowd noise. What those guys are doing right now is really amazing working in front of zero people.

They really need a pat on the back for that because it is not easy. But I'm just, you know, we have, there's two episodes yet to come of the last ride. I think the next episode of the year is on the 14th. Yes, yes. And the 21st, hopefully by the time we get there, I'll have a conclusive answer. And I can't wait to hear. Okay. I'm not going to be a loser's answer. I can't wait to hear. These answers are very similar for the last 30 plus years you guys.

I have those. I know what that answer will be. Wouldn't it be cool maybe the first time there are large crowds? Never. It's all I'm saying. Never. Never. Never.

Brother, you chasing that feeling you described earlier you chasing that feeling you know it He wants that walk out. He wants to execute. He wants to do what he was born to do both of you So I can tell you I love today. This was so good so good and I'm here for you in your lives now. We're friends now. We're gonna get connected I'm gonna get you my contact info. There's anything I could ever do for either one of you. I am texting a call away. So you're beautiful family and I pray for nothing. A great thanks for both of you in the future and thank you. You've helped so many people today. I guarantee you when this comes out you'll see. You're

gonna see the feedback on social media and all the other places. So it's wonderful. So thank you both. Thank you, Evan. Thank you. All right, everybody, in reminder, max out two minute drill everybody with me on Instagram every day. When I make a post, 730 Pacific, 1030 Eastern, make a comment, turn your notifications on. I pick winners, they fly on my jet, come see me speak,

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