THE ED MYLETT SHOW - Mikey Garcia - Fighting For Your Family

Episode Date: October 31, 2018

    Mikey Garcia, one of the GREATEST boxers in the WORLD, was always destined to be a world-class boxer. He is a world champion in four weight classes and currently a unified lightweight world champion, having held the WBC title AND the IBF title.    On top of his amazing record and accomplishments in the ring, Mikey's insight into peak performance and Maxing Out inside and outside of the ring are going to help you tremendously!    “Visualization,” Mikey says, “is a big part of my training. I visualize every minute of every round.”    His is also a story of immigration. The son of immigrant parents, Mikey watched his parents barely survive as field workers for nearly 20 years and transform their lives to produce one of the greatest boxers of all time.  Their story will move you in ways you can't imagine.   I had the powerful and inspiring opportunity to sit down with this UNDEFEATED boxing champion. With 39 wins, 30 by way of knockout, this interview details how the champion within the boxer was created and will literally knock the wind out of you!    Please SUBSCRIBE to all platforms, by CLICKING THE LINK IN MY BIO.    SHARE, REVIEW, COMMENT, REPOST, and TAG SOMEONE to spread the word about the fastest growing show on earth! 

Follow in my lead on Twitter, YouTube and at edmila.com. Welcome back to max out. I'm Ed Mylett. This gentleman to my right needs no introduction. 39 and 0, 30 KOs. Never even had a close fight. We're just talking about off camera, right? Champion in four different weight classes. And that's not even my favorite part about his story We're gonna talk about family. We're gonna talk about what an immigrant family looks like tonight We're gonna talk about winning a champion's mindset and there's really no better dude on the planet to do that with then Mikey Garcia So Mikey, thanks for being here. Thank you. I appreciate the invitation. I'm happy to be here pleasure to meet you And I'm looking forward to you know having this relation going on and. I'm happy to be here, pleasure to meet you, and I'm looking forward to having this relation going on. It's just, I'm very happy. Me too, man. It's been a

good connection so far already. So there's a lot to cover here today, you guys. This is what you're looking at to my right is the face of a great American success story, Mexican American success story. And I try to always bring people on the program that can give you different viewpoints of winning, of maxing out. And you bring one that I'm really passionate about because it involves even my own families, you know, my wife is also partially Latina. And so I wanted to put a face on success.

I wanted to put a face on what an immigrant family looks like today too. And so this is a boxer, but this is a successful man. So we're going to talk about that first, but I wanna go back to when you were a kid a little bit. Sure. So I think it's interesting. I was reading, you just have to put this in context guys.

39 of those undefeated and really no fights been very close, right? Is that even been close? But you didn't really like love boxing when you were a kid, like I'm reading or your brother says you would try when you would get to the gym. Is that really true?

It's true. Look, I grew up in a boxing family. Yeah. Both my older brother's box, my oldest brother, Danny. He was a professional fighter. My brother, Robert, was still in the amateurs about to transition to a professional. I was about five years old, six years old.

Yeah. I'd go to the gym with them, but I didn't like it. I never wanted to be at the gym, it was boring for me. I just wanted to be home and play video games. Play Super Nintendo, you know? Yeah. Yeah. So I didn't really like it. I never saw myself as a boxer, I never saw myself training,

I never pictured myself doing any of that. That was something that my older brothers were doing, and that's their life, not me. Are you the baby? I'm the youngest in the family. We're seven, total family seven. Okay's their life, not me. Are you the baby? I'm the youngest in the family. We're seven, total, family seven, four women, three men. But again, I never saw myself as a boxer. Why, like, did you not like the violence part of it?

Or did you? I didn't like anything of it. You think your face, you could see, like, I didn't care for it. I didn't like it. I hated going to the gym. It was boring. I just, I didn't like the, the, what I see was robbery in my brother Danny.

I saw them at the gym every day. Sweating, hitting the bag, working hard. I thought that was just too much work. I don't care for that. I think it's kind of a good lesson for everybody, though, brother. Like, I think the first pass you make it your business or something you'd be successful at, just because you don't love it initially. Doesn't mean it. You're doing it. You're doing it. You're doing it.

You're doing it. You're doing it. You're doing it. You're doing it. You're doing it. You're doing it. You're doing it. You're doing it.

You're doing it. You're doing it. You're doing it. You're doing it. You're doing it. You're doing it. You're doing it. You're doing it.

You're doing it. You're doing it. You're doing it. You're doing it. You're doing it. You're doing it. You're doing it. You're doing it. I may not love them right away, but it may be where your gift is. It may end up being where your passion is down the road. So did it change at some point? When did it click where you're like, okay, I think I want a box. So we are, I'm 13 years old. And I go to Riseeta to visit a nephew. He was a couple years younger than me, about two years younger than me.

He had an amateur contest that day. He actually started to go to the gym and train up there in Riseeta, so we go to support him. One of the kids from the opposite gym didn't have an opponent. And my brother, Robert, just signed me up, says, here, you're getting in the ring today. Oh my gosh. And again, I was not training yet. I had never been in the gym to train, but we knew enough just to get by. We full run at the house with boxing gloves, my nephews, my friends or whatever, we borrowed my brother's gloves before that.

So we knew boxing, but I was never training to compete. That day my brother just signed me up, says here you're getting the ring. Oh my God. Now I didn't have a license, I had never registered as an amateur fighter, so the commission wouldn't allow me to fight, so they made an exhibition. They made it like a sparring session.

So I borrowed shoes, gloves, came here the whole thing, and we get in the ring. And again, I was 13 years old. I get in the ring, and we do a three round exhibition match. That's what started for me. I found in love with the competition. There you go. I found a love with winning, with trying to win, with showing that one person in front of me

that I'm a better fighter, that I'm better than he is. That's what I really, really kind of got hooked on. I was telling you off camera too. I find that often, like even I interviewed Zach Johnson who was telling me that he didn't love golf. He loves winning. He loves competing and that's something he's good at. So it literally just picture that you guys sitting to my right is one of the greatest fighters

in the world right now. Probably is going to end up being I think you're going to pass Floyd you're going to go pass 50 and 0 right. You're talking about one of the greatest fighters in the world and he does not even love the sport when he starts but some but this what happens in our life like a random event happens and you like take advantage of it. So your family is interesting to me, because you reference your brother already and your dad, your dad's got a great name at Wardo, which is obviously

my name. So, but I want to keep boxing in there, but I also we're going to get to all this domination here in a minute. I think it's fascinating that a guy that doesn't love the sport in the beginning, some random event ends up becoming 39 and how at this time and it is prime. But your family, to me, is what America is all about and needs to be more about. And this version of an immigrant family needs to be featured more often. And so, when we talk about this part about, I don't care what side of this debate you're

on or any of that other stuff. I just want you to hear this story because I think it will inspire you. Your mom and dad are like the real heroes of your family. And I respect you a whole bunch, but the more I read about your father and your mom, I actually even get emotional about the sacrifices I think just reading about them that they made for you. So tell me a little bit about your dad first at Wardo and tell everybody about what he did to come to this country, the work he put in, the back breaking work he did,

even to give an opportunity for someone like you to be a champion. I enjoy, and I love sharing my father's story, my mom's story, just like you mentioned, I think it can inspire anybody who listens to it, who hears it, it might motivate someone to do better and do great in life. I consider my mom, my dad, the American dream in reality and in life. My father had a third grade education in Mexico. My mom had a sixth grade education in Mexico. My mom had a sixth grade education in Mexico. Married very young, started having a family in Mexico.

We're from a state of Mietrocan. They moved around different towns, trying to make a living. My dad would make the trips out here to the States illegally at first. Had different lines of work. He worked close by out here in San Pedro at a fish cannery marketplace. He worked fields also, all North California,

Southern California. He had different different types of work, but he always had a dream and a spirit to do something more than just that. He had a family to race. He wanted a better life for the family than what Mexico could offer. He came out here legally now

when the Bracero Program, the last year the Bracero Program was the last year, the Bracero program was available. He made the trip out here. He turned 18 here in Rancho Cacamanga as he was working. He was working tomato fields. He was working just different, different, you know, type of work. And that was when the, I think it was a Reagan who had the... Yes, it was.

...the Amnesty, and because he was here and he was able to get my... My rest of my older brothers and sisters, you know, they're their papers to come to the States legal. So he landed here and they're living in Long Beach, Romantin, like I said, he was working the fish cannery business there and he always loved boxing. He had always loved boxing. He never had the opportunity to box himself because he was married young and had a race of family.

The support wasn't there, financially they couldn't afford it. But once he was here, he would go to the boxing gym and take my older brother Danny with him. And you know, just watch the gym, watched the fighters, started training my brother, and just get him in the sport, just do something. But they're very poor, still, they're barely making, making it by living in one bedroom apartment, that kind of stuff. Fish cannery, business goes out of business, shuts down, they relocate to Oxnard.

My older brothers are boxing a little bit, he goes and starts working strawberry fields. They're out in the day and the sun from 6 a.m. to 6 p.m. 12 hour day. It's back breaking work. Back breaking work. My brother Robert started fighting, and my dad would take him early in the morning

to run at the beach or at the mountains before having to head out to work. Then after work, he would send my mom home. So she could go and be, you know, a home with the family and the kids while he went to open up the gym. If you'd have to go open up and boxing gym, he had that dream, he wanted, you know, boxing.

So he opened up the gym, started out working. It was a city run gym. He had a few fighters started running the amateur program. My brother was there. Kid comes by, name a Fernando Vargas. First day at the gym, gets in the ring, doesn't know anything. My brother, my dad, they start training, he start working.

You know, he just wanted boxing, he loved boxing so much. And he did this for nearly 20 years. Unbelievable. Doing the field work, picking strawberries, my mom was picking strawberries, along with my dad. Are you guys hearing this to say, just to say, because are you hearing this? So this man comes here, has all these different setbacks if you've ever

driven by a strawberry field it is back breaking work I remember as a kid I don't know why this makes me so emotional I remember driving with my dad to a baseball tournament and I was telling my dad how hard he worked and I wanted to work like in some day no joke we drive right by the strawberry fields my dad pointed out there and he goes, that's hard work. That's hard work, 100 degrees in the summertime and his mother's out there with his father doing this.

Listen to this. Okay. My mom was pregnant of me, still working in a stardew fields until she was six months pregnant. Oh my gosh, man, this is so fun. She was six months pregnant of me while she was still working. Oh my God. How this is so fun. She was six months pregnant of me while she was still working.

Oh my God. You know, how bad do you want your dream to happen? His dad would do this all day, his mother would do this all day, they need to go open the gym. And what your dad did that happens in all businesses, then the one dude walks in and it's Vargas. Yeah, Vargas.

Someone walks in that's special, right? You don't know it at the time. He didn't know it. But they're special and that's when things click. It's like, it's almost like when this preparation meets this moment, right? Like, oh my gosh, something's going to happen now. And then this starts to leave. So continue. It's a crazy story. Vargas walks in the gym, two other kids walking the gym around the same week. My dad was there with two other coaches. And my dad would kind of try to work with other coaches,

but there was always like that competition who's a better trainer, who did better. So my dad brought up a challenge to the other coaches and asked them, look, these two kids just walked in recently. You guys all seen them in the rain, neither of them shows anything, you know, experience yet. So why don't you guys pick a fighter, we'll train that kid for one month,

and at the end of the month, we'll put them to spar and see who's progressing more. So knowing seeing them had already spar, everybody picked the other two and left my dad with a bag. For Fernando. For Fernando. They didn't pick for an end. He wasn't the guy you picked.

They didn't pick him. So my dad says, okay, I'll take whoever you guys leave me. So they left Fernando. My dad trained him sure enough within a month. Fernando's starting to, you know, that's crazy. What because I've made a little bit in my own life like you have, I get emotional about because I picture your dad, I know what it's like to get up in the morning and how sore his body must have just been. Just physically sore. And then to get up and your mother, six months pregnant with you, right? They go, and he's in there.

I could just picture this man, just for his family, just doing the work and he's a dude to feed them. And he's got this dream in the back of his mind. There's no one giving your dad motivational pet talks. There's no Instagram. There's no fake and grow rich. There's just a dude with a dream that he wants to make something happen and he just worked. Right?

He just worked and that to think he leaves there, send your mom home and I can just picture him with the keys open the door. It's quiet in there. There's no one there. There's no reason to think any of this is going to work. And then so Vargas ends up, I guess, beating these other two kids and becomes... Starts to progress and starts winning fights and tournaments and along with my brother and the gym started to really grow. And Fernando ended up making the Olympic team, representing the US in 96. My dad also had another fighter, Carlos Martinez,

representing Mexico, same year. It started to really show potential. that also had another fighter, Carlos Martinez, representing Mexico same year. It started to really show potential. Started to show signs that there's something here. We could do something. But prior to that, there was nothing. I mean, we grew up, I was born in still in the one bedroom trailer, a mobile part trailer,

with all my brothers and sisters in a one bedroom trailer. Is that right? No one else there, like you said, to tell my dad something's gonna come by or it's gonna go well for you. This is gonna work or you need this. Nothing, it was just his dedication, his, you know, his, just strive, you know, his hunger. That's what got him. I'll probably never after that story, honestly.

I'll probably never picture, I'll be at the next fight, but I don't him I'll probably never after that story honestly I'll probably never picture I'll be at the next fight but I don't think I'll ever picture you walking into a full arena the same way I'll be thinking about your dad you know mean like just the to think that this man You're born into a one bedroom trailer with seven kids there and they're they're just you just drive by the freeway And they're just one of these people that are here working that you don't know they're just, you just drive by the freeway and they're just one of these people that are here working that you don't know, they're kind of, and that that turns into the sun who fills up arenas. And by the way, when you hear these stories too,

it's like, whatever your view is on immigration, do you understand like just like, just mic alone, the different teammates and just the like, the economy, just alone, like the ripple effects of what your dad did with the go into that gym and having the vision to start it. And dude, he fills up arenas. There's the HBO pay per views that have happened. There's the, not anymore, but there's show time, right?

There's show time. There's the concession people. There's the stands, there's the ticket sales, there's all the memories. There's all these people who have profited and benefited because your dad made his dream happen. You can't even picture the ripple when your dream happens.

Most people don't ever think about that kind of stuff, just like you mentioned. Most people don't hear or don't see it. We, like I said, in my family, I see that. And that's why we appreciate my dad. People that I know my dad appreciate him and can really see how great of a man he is for what he did for what he's done. My brother right now with his gym, his fighters, all the champions that he's created and everything, but it all started going back to my dad.

With your dad and your mom, by the way, you picture your dream, you guys. Just like, what will you be willing to sacrifice? Maybe you're waiting for the next motivational interview, the next Instagram thing, the next meme, is dad just worked. And then his mother, I mean, think about this. Those of you that have spouses, you're chasing your dream right now, and your spouse has given you a hard time. You imagine his mother, wait a minute.

I just spent 15 or 20 years in the field's picket strawberries. You're there. Can you please come home and help me with the kids? She could have done anything to steal your dad's dream, right? And your mother's still supportive and to think it turns into your brother. Just so, you know, his brother Robert arguably,

the greatest trainer in the world right now, right? He's one of two, you know, and most people would say your brother. So, he's got the sons that have done these unbelievable things. So, I want people to see that face on it. And what would you tell somebody? I'm just curious, who doesn't know what to make of families who come here that have immigrated here.

They're just, you know, they're watching this, and they don't, I grew up in Southern California. So I know how hardworking immigrant families are. I know, mother, not all. I know that these are not criminals coming across all the time and all this other stuff you hear of course there's some there's some that live here also permanently right so what would you say this to me and by the way the children have an all turned out the same but like about every immigrant family I know has this work ethic

like what would you tell people aren't familiar don't know right they just don't know most most people won't know, because they've never seen it firsthand, they've never seen the kind of work or the culture behind these families that make the sacrifice to leave their homes in other countries and in search of a better life. They haven't had the time spent with those families or they just have no idea really what it is to do that.

But when you really put in perspective like that, picture us going from the states here to a foreign country with no knowledge of the cultures or the language or you know all these barriers in search of a better life. I mean that's the only thing that you can really ask them to do, but they still won't be able to grasp what it really tastes. But a family that makes the trip to come here to the States, a good family to work, to do better for their families,

to get a higher education for the kids. If they understand that and they come here in search of these things, they're in search of the American dream. That's what the American dream is, a better life than what you had before. And some families or people don't really understand what it is, but just think about it. How about it had to be at your place home to leave your home where you were born and bring your entire family you know to a whole new place in search of something better. Just because you've heard that there's opportunities because you've heard that there's opportunity there's hope that you can do better here in the state sound where you were.

That's the only thing. That's it all I want people to hear because we're going to talk boxing in a minute too. I want people to hear about how special your mom and dad were because it's obvious how special you are. And we're not here to change an opinion about a political issue. That's not why I'm here. I'm here to just have you hear the story. And then maybe you'll just make your own conclusions.

Maybe you'll begin to see things a little bit differently, because I know people like your father who didn't make a big dream come true, but I know their sons fought in our military. And so I'm just very passionate about people just understanding how good these families are that have come here, that have made these dreams happen, and your father is a hero. Your father to me is, he's beyond what the American dream is about. Your father and your mother, what they've created with your family, is so inspiring to me. And it's one thing for someone to be able to say motivational words, it's another thing for just their story

is inspiring, and your dad's just, your mom and dad are amazing. Thank you, thank you. Well, like I said, I like sharing my dad's story because I think people can relate to the struggles, people can relate to overcoming obstacles in life in general. My dad has found success through boxing, through, you know, but it takes the hard work, the dedication, the discipline, that's strive, you know, it takes that to finally accomplish that. On the other side, these are all the lessons of winning, right? Like I'm curious, so we'll talk

about your struggles too. We're going gonna go into boxing a little bit to When did you know you were good like when did you go? Oh, I'm gonna be I'm I'm gonna make a living at this or I might be a world champion I was I was I was like say I fed my first amateur experience. Yeah, you know that you know you loved it Did you know you were good then I really really, I didn't know I was good. But I got hooked on the competition. I'm very competitive. I wanted to win. That fight was not a win or lose, it was an exhibition.

There was no winner. But I wanted to win. I just wanted to show everybody I'm a better fighter. So I started as a train. I had my first amateur experience of fight in February, which means I was 14 now. So I trained about six months before my first fight. Then I went on one year, nine fights, 10 fights, somewhere in one year as an amateur.

Different shows, different level of experience, but most all the kids that I fought that year had maybe no more than 12 fights. Or less. I entered my first tournament. It was a junior Olympic tournament. It's a national tournament. I had nine fights going to a tournament.

Ten fights going to a tournament. I make it all the way to the national level. The very final round. I had beat guys that were 40 fights in, 80 fights in, and again, I'm only going in the term with 10 fights. But making it that, far in the tournament, to the very very final, I ended up losing on a three to two split decision against

Michael Concepcion from New Jersey. I still remember kids name. Yeah, I can say I don't know him. It was a close fight. I thought I won. That was my first loss. That was my first loss as an amateur. I was like my 16th fight.

But I just realized that I made it this far. Against kids with so much experience, kids who have been doing it for a few years now. Kids will normally start at 8, 10 years old. I'm starting late at 14 and I, one year of boxing, I make it to the final, the Junior Olympic tournament, national level. Okay, there's something here. I could do something. Is your dad or your brother for type to tell you you're good or are they the they reserve praise and

recognition? They'll tell me. Well at least at that time they told me, they told me, they look, you've done this much. At least maybe to try to cheer me up because I lost. Like, hey, you did, wow, you didn't hear. You're here, you know, that's, that's reassuring. Okay. But once they start seeing me develop more and more and win other tournaments and compete in higher level tournaments, beat the number one, number two, number three, number five and six in the national team. I beat them and it's like if I'm already

beating the number one fighter in the nation, I mean yeah yeah I'm I must be pretty good. Pretty good. I mean I have won the tournament but I beat the guy who was yeah yeah so it's it just tells you you know there's something here. Yeah. Then we started turning pro again I don't know where we were gonna go so just fight out of time, fight out of time, one by one, just to see where we developed. There was attention from promoters, managers before that. And so I figured, okay, we can do something,

but we just don't know how far we can go. And- Did you dream it would go this far? No, I never thought I'd be here. I never thought I'd be doing it this far, or competing at this level, being where I'm at. When I first fought for the first World title against Orlando Salido, I was at a featherweight title, fight 2013. I saw myself being champion at 126 for a first time, then 130 and possibly a 135 pound. I figured three divisions probably enough.

Yeah, but I probably would be campaigning at a fairway and super fairway most. Mm-hmm. And I only thought that one time I fell because then the next fight, I fell low pass, then I move up to 130 and then 135 and now I'm 140 and now I'm thinking maybe 147. So I never imagined I'd be wearing a mask.

It's unreal, man. Like, these couple lessons there, I just want to point out, like, one, almost everybody I've interviewed on this show, including myself, one of our traits is we're crazy competitive. Like, it's, it almost overrides whether even love what you're doing, like, I have to just win. Like, I may not even like all of the training, but I have to win.

Wow. I don't like the training you. See, isn't that interesting? There's a couple dudes, I think, you agree, they kind of like training their freaks, right? But, like, most people don't most people don't like making phone calls in business or eating broiled chicken and the jam or you know we're doing the training like they don't like that stuff

right so it's a fact but they love to win they love to compete that overrides it the hard work part obviously too but also I never saw myself here but what happens is I think it's almost like the fights like you kind of step up step up in class. You're like, okay, I can handle this. I can see the next class Exactly. That's how it was because we're developing as a fighter the first couple fights They're really putting in guys just to gate build your record with your confidence Let you develop, you know going from four rounds to six rounds to eight rounds Then they step up a competition of opponents. To test you a little bit, test you, maybe you test your will, maybe you test your power.

They put someone that can hold, you know, who's holding their own against top guys or who has gone the distance for world title fights. But those are tests that challenge me and motivate me to do better and do great. And once that complete that, I want something better. I want something bigger. I want a bigger challenge. And once we landed the World title fights, not just wanted bigger test, bigger fighters, you know, every single time.

That's why I've been moving up and weight class. That's why I'm challenging myself against bigger men every single time, against better opponents every single time. That's the way it is. We're going to talk about some of those opponents. We're going to get some unboxing stuff in a second. But I do really believe it reveals itself to you as you go. You gotta get to the next step, on the next step,

on the next step. One interesting thing about you that surprised me is that I think, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, I would consider your style not flashy. And I mean that with respect. To me, you're just this fundamentally very sound fighter. Would you agree with that? Because the reason I say that is there's different ways to win. There are people that just make it, I don't know, they're Loman

Chaco's angles or footwork and boxing, for example, or someone's just got like incredible motivational skills and business. There's those, but most people win because whatever they do, they're fundamentally great at it, right? Like, there's fundamentals are strong. Is that true of your style? I agree with that. And I can add a little bit. Okay.

See, I'm not flashing the sense that I don't have anything that really stands out as far as like you mentioned footwork or the speed. None of that really stands out from everybody else. hands out as far as like you mentioned footwork or the speed. None of that really stands out from everybody else. I don't have the flashiest, fastest hands, crazy combinations, I don't have that. I don't have the craziest angles and footwork. I don't have the craziest power where Mike Tyson and one punch knockout, I have the first round

every single time I don't have that. But I think it's a subtle thing that make me a better fighter. Power is there, speed is there, footwork is there when it has to be. The timing is there. I have the ability to read my opponent, read body language, read their eyes,

listen to the breathing even. The breathing tells me, you know, just, just a lot of things that someone else doesn't do, I have that, and that puts a package together that allows me to just be just a little bit better than my point, every single time. Oh my God, I love that, you know. I love that, I love that.

The training that I go, everybody has training camps, everybody does eight weeks, 10 weeks, 12 weeks, whatever. But they don't all do the same things that I do. Such as visualization is a big part of my training. I visualize my fights. I don't even see a lot of film on my opponents, like my last fight. I fought Robert Easter. I seen him fight against Fort Thunow

when the fight actually happened earlier in the year. But then I never saw another fight. You watch no film on it. No film on it. Wow. What I do instead is I think about the fight in my head. I visualize every minute of every round for 12 rounds, different scenarios every time.

I always win. Yeah, in your visualization. In my visualization,. I always win. Yeah, in your visualization. I'm always winning. I visualize him hurting me. I visualize me going to the ground. I visualize getting injured. I visualize a lot of different scenarios that could play out in a fight.

But I always find a way to win. So I do that throughout camp, throughout the day, at nights, leaving them to five in and more. The week of five, that's all I'm replaying in my head. The day I step inside that ring, nothing to worry about, nothing to surprise me, nothing to scare me, because I've already won the fight many, many times in my head. So nothing is new, everything is easy for me.

So it's just another day in the office for me. So I do that, that's something very big that other fighters don't do. And they may do the run, they may do the road work, they may do the bad, they may do the sparring, but they don't put that in. And even the sparring or other physical work that you do, they may not give it their all. They do it, but I've seen the videos of other guys training, and it's like they're just playing, like they're just barely tapping the heavy back. That's not gonna get you in shape or they're sparring lower level opponents. That's not gonna

get your reflexes sharp. That's not gonna get you to really pick it up because you're basically just playing with kids. That's not gonna help. We push ourselves. We train hard, we run hard. I don't enjoy it. I don't love that part of the sport, but I know it's what's gonna get me to win. You love winning. I do the show for the last five minutes. That's why I do this. It's selfish. Like what you just said, my one of my favorite things I've ever heard on the show. Yeah, that's the mindset and the internal workings of a champion. Like I just do. That's like, that's the separate. Because your brain moves

towards what it's most familiar with. So if you've run these scenarios through in your head, all of them a whole bunch of times that always lead in you winning, your brain moves towards that when you're under pressure, when you're fatigued, when you're tired, when you're stressed, there's familiarity, it's almost like, I say this all the time,

you play a video game with my son, he's gonna beat me every time, because he's telling me how to do it. He has tons of experience. He just he just he just played his natural and that's what you're doing when you're in the ring you're executing. I love it. Do you you said that it's just kind of game day like when you get into the ring. Do you get when or if ever are you scared or nervous for a fight in your mind? I honestly have never been scared or nervous. The moment that I get the butterflies,

and it's not even being afraid of the fight, it's not nervousness from the fight or my opponent. But the moment that I get those butterflies, is actually the ring walk. The walk to the ring? Walk to the ring. When I'm walking out of my dressing room, and I'm waiting for the music to go on

and finally, you hear the music, you get all the fans who stand up and cheer and I'm making that walk. That's when I feel a little emotional, a little butterflies, but it's a special feeling. It's something that I appreciate all those fans took that time from their schedules, from their lives.

Maybe they went shopping for that occasion, maybe they went to dinner early on. What they're... You think about that? I do. Maybe they had their kids, you know, with the babysitter, because they made time to come see me. That's so special to me. It's unbelievable that I have people that see me like that.

I'm that big enough or big in their life that they had to make time to come see me. And you're walking out and you see the whole arena filled up. And it's like all of this is for me. That's just, it brings tears to my eyes sometimes. I get literally on the way to the ring about tears. I'll get, you know, like little tears almost. Yeah. It's something, I'm believe it won't, I can't explain.

It's almost a spiritual inspiration. It's a real idea. Who am I really? I don't see myself like anything. I'm just doing my job. I'm just here again in the ring. Like I've done, you know, 38 other times. I'm just doing my job. rain, like I've done, you know, 38 other times. I'm just doing my job.

But for these people that support me, I'm something great in that. Yeah. Maybe I'm inspiring them, maybe I'm motivating them, maybe, you know, something about me tells them you gotta be there alive and see him. And that's when I get those butterflies, I get emotional. I sometimes like said, my eyes get a little teary, just seeing all that. I think it's interesting, brother, because, first it says,

what kind of a good person you are, but also like, it's a gratitude emotion. So, that's another formula for even business people that I think, they have the ability to just feel gratitude in ways that other people don't. So, it's interesting to me that you can get it in that moment, like, you're about to go, whoops someone's ass, and combat,

and even in that moment, you kind of step into gratitude you're just grateful for that that walk to the ring that's another unreal lesson for people as a experience. Most fighters, most fighters before the fight they're getting in their zone. Yeah. Maybe they're playing a certain music you know a headphones or pacing back and forth you know they're about to go in a battle. So they have to do something like that or maybe they're praying, maybe they're being very spiritual. I'm not. Before my fight, I'm like this.

Just hanging out, just chilling right there, you know, laughing, cracking jokes with my team. Until it's time to warm up, then I start stretching, warming up a little bit and let's go. But that ringwalk is when I feel it, because I see all those people. That's what triggers that. But then one step foot inside the ring, it's all gone, down to business. I know what I gotta do, I've done it, nothing new.

Let's get this done. So you're getting instructions face to face. There's no fear, there's no, you're just gonna execute. You've already done this a thousand times in your head. You also seem to me to be a guy who relies. You said that earlier, we train harder than other guys. We're not just tapping the back. We're not playing with these 19-year-old sparring partners,

rather than beating anybody before. Is part of your preparation give you confidence when you get in the ring? Are there do you draw? And if you kind of develop your recipe, you and your brother kind of know this is our recipe. Look, we go to camp for 10 weeks for each fight We

Increase the workload as the weeks go by we have to peak out a certain week and my brother my dad Do this they they write up a calendar They jot down exactly how many rounds we want to do on this day on that day and next week and so on and so forth down exactly how many rounds we wanted to do on this day, on that day, and next week, and so on and so forth. Once we complete the entire schedule, and it's fight week, I know I did everything that was supposed to be done. That brings me confidence that I'm in the best shape possible.

Nothing's gonna stop me. My sparring partners are bigger, stronger guys than my opponent. And they're telling me I'm hurting them. They're letting me know that I'm stronger than ever. I'm faster than ever. That also reassures my abilities. But me, myself, you know, have seen my work, how I'm performing,

leaves me no doubt that I'm a winner. Dude, I love that. I think a lot of times in business, too, some of you guys that train and lead people, like you need to make your training almost more difficult than the actual interaction would be with the client. That way when they see the client, it's easy, right?

It does mean harder, more objections, more difficulties with the people that you're training. Don't make your training, so damn easy that your people fail in front of the client. All right, I was just telling my boy Robert on the way here that, you know, because I do all this visualization, because we work so hard, you know,

when I step foot inside the rain, it's easy. It's crazy. It's easy because I've done it. It's not new. People are only afraid of the unknown. People are afraid of what they don't know. People are afraid when they get out of their comfort zone. You know, public speaking. Oh, no, no, no, no, because they're never done it.

They're not used to it. They're not prepared for it. They didn't take the right notes. And they get nervous. But for me, knowing that I did all the training, all the work, and I've done this so many times, and I've visualized it so many times in my head, and I know I'm a went, what's there to be afraid of?

Nothing, I just go in, I gotta get it done. I can't do that, I can't do that. I can't do that, I can't do that. I can't do that, I can't do that. Come on man, it's still good. All right, I'll talk a little business stuff with you, I'm blown away. I talk a little business stuff with you, Tom Blownaway. I'll talk some business stuff with you real quick.

What people don't know unless the real boxing fans is you've had, you've also kind of manned up in the business side of boxing too. In other words, you took your career into your own hands at a pretty good sacrifice. And so you had a promoter, we don't need to name them, but you had a promoter that you didn't feel like you had a fair agreement with or they wanted you to resign

for the same unfair agreement. Is that fair to say? Listen, we had a promoter who I worked with, everything I turned pro back in 2006. I was with them for nine years of my career. I was championed two times under their banner. Contract came up. They believed that contract had an extension

that they could apply. I disputed that extension. The details, I can go into details if you like, or you got time, but short story. Well, it took a long time. Two and a half years. So you were not in the rain night in the room for 20 half years on the principle of making a fair agreement for

yourself basically the way I view it jump in you became an entrepreneur and almost like a better before you bet on yourself I was being on myself I believe to myself I believe the principles I you know. I knew that. What the promotional company wanted to do was wrong. They were offering me a fight in exchange for an extension to the contract, which I didn't agree on. I will actually offer to renegotiate. They said no. There already is an extension on

the contract. So then my question was, if there already is an extension, why are you asking me to sign another extension, which is making no sense. The title that I had had to be vacant, they stripped me from my title due to the inactivity. So they their company because they were not fighting me, they didn't fight, they didn't give me a fight, I ended up losing my title for inactivity and I lost two and a half years of my career. When we finally came out of that whole mess, I was in a much better place now, I'm in complete control. I started aligning myself with some people in the sport that were being supported,

that were helping, network, advisors, promoters. They wanted to work with me. So we started creating this alliance, helping me, getting my fights, fight by fight, working together, but no commitment with contracts. On one fight deal, five by fight, no long-term contract, unless it made something life-changing for me. But still, it hasn't happened.

You're one of the very few boxers ever to do what you've done. Yeah. Based became an entrepreneur, basically bet on himself. He probably wouldn't say it. I think cost you about seven figures to probably do it. It did. Right. I mean, it was a tremendous sacrifice to stand on that principle. It cost me more than that. If you consider the money that I basically didn't earn. Didn't make boxing. It didn't make bucks. Several million dollars. So it was several million dollars that I pretty much lost. Moments that were scary were moments where I still had mortgage. I still had some bills and some of my tenants were late and I got to make those mortgage fans and in all honesty there was moments where I was broke. Yeah. As far as cash, liquid cash, I didn't have it. I had to wait for another installment from this business

or from this sponsorship or from my rentals or whatever. Moments where I didn't have more than 300 bucks in my account. That's amazing to me. Wow. Honestly, no, no, no, no bullshit, no lies. Moments where I didn't have no more than $300 in my account. My gosh.

And what I do at Go By Grosters instead of making that bill, instead of paying that mortgage or paying that, whatever was. So World Champion is in that situation on the principle of it. Wow. Wow. And you know, they were betting on that, weren't they?

They were betting you'd cave in. The technique or strategy that I think they had was exactly that. That would cave in, that I would fold, and come back, and take whatever they offer. Yeah. Give some people money advice. I know, you know, with all my athletes, always ask them, you know, how are you doing financially? And you don't have to get into your personal fights, but you're doing very well now.

And you're big on not being in debt and saving money. Did you mind telling them like how, how much being rich compared to looking rich is important to you? You know what I'm saying? Like a lot of guys want to look rich. You want to be rich, right? So anytime if you don't mind like what you've done for your kids, all that stuff, all that.

Well, I've seen a lot of fighters pretending like they're rich, a lot of people. You know, a lot of people, but I mean I like that. It's more unboxing. I see it in boxing more. Yeah. You know, they make $100,000 to go buy $80,000 Mercedes. Yeah, right.

It makes no sense to me. Right. But nobody really, not many people think like me. Not many people have the experience that I have. I have seen a lot of fighters. I've seen a lot of cases. My dad has given me a lot of advice, even though he didn't have the experience that I have. I have seen a lot of fighters. I've seen a lot of cases. My dad has given me a lot of advice, even though he didn't have the education,

but he always would advise me and tell me to make sure I do well with my money. I say my money, put it away and things that can help me in the future for my retirement. Think about the future. Think about the kids, that kind of stuff. So when I started making some money, $200,000 fights, $300,000 per se, first thing I started doing, I started buying some money, $200,000, $500, $300,000,

first thing I started doing was starting buying some houses, some real estate, rental income, some flips, stuff like that. That made me get through the $200,000,000, you know, I was able to make some money on the side like that. Now I'm fortunate to make better money than ever. I'm doing very well. Making more money than I ever imagined I was making at this, you know, age, paid off everything that I have.

I have several rental properties income. Some have, they were paid for, some had mortgages and just being paid by the rents. Now I'm not making money, my money is safe. Now I'm not getting rich after a thousand not making money, but my money's safe. I'm not getting rich off of a thousand dollar a month, but my money's safe there. You have $400,000 in that property, you have another $400,000 there.

So after making good money now, I paid everything off, this last fire paid everything off, paid all the cars off, paid all the credit card, not honestly, don't even use credit cards, little $10,000 credit card, whatever. You know, paid that off, paid my houses. I believe in before that, I secured my kids' college accounts, I have college accounts for them.

So that secured my retirement. I have another account set up for retirement. I love this. I'm completely free and clear and basically, you know, financial... It's great feeling, isn't it? It's a great feeling. I'm so happy after this last fight.

Yeah. So I need exactly what I was thinking. You know what you're gonna do. So after this last fight, we have my first guaranteed check right away. That comes from the network. We have a check. Solid.

Two weeks later, I get the other check. Yeah. Another week, another check. Yeah. And these are all large checks. Yes. Same for your checks. Yes.

Like fuck, yeah. So I put one aside for taxes. Yeah, better do that. Yeah, that's another lesson. I knew that's not mine. That's taxes. But that's the other two. Pay everything off.

Take care. I still have all this deposit. The best feeling in the world. I have people get advice going different ways. I'm just telling you, just so you you all know this is how rich people think. It's how I think it's how rich people think. Rich people do not love tons of debt. I don't care. You want some debt on some of your real estate. That's okay. If it's going to appreciate but you pay off your cars, you pay off your stuff, you fund the call and stuff and you

you get excited about saving money. Like your face lit up about saving the money, not spending money. Other dudes sitting at that seat, their face gets excited about spending money. What's the next purchase? Right, what am I going to buy? What am I going to buy? It's okay to treat yourself. Of course. But, you know, at your means, you know, no, no, no, where you stand.

Yeah. Well, you can afford. I mean, just because you made, like I said, $100,000 and one exchange or transaction, doesn't mean you should buy a $80,000, $100,000 from the same. Thank you. Thank you. It didn't, it didn't work like that. Yep. You know, but most people do that.

Most people do that. Yeah. And when it comes to boxing, people here, oh, he made a million dollars on the fight. And he gets a lot of money. It's not. Let me tell you how this works. OK.

A million dollars for a fight. That's what's contracted. That's what's the guarantee. You have to pay your manager and your trainer and your expenses, your training camp, all that. What is it roughly? Let me tell you. On average, a manager charged about 30%.

A trainer charged about 10%. So right away, that's 40%. Your camp could be anywhere from $30, $50,000 for training camp, your condition coach, your cook, all that, and another 10%. So your paycheck goes to expenses right away. So from the million, you're down to half a million. That half a million, you gotta pay your taxes.

Easy numbers, say 30%, easy numbers. You know, that's not $150,000 that you have to pay. And that's with good CPA and good writers. So now you're down to $350. $350, from a million? You buy yourself a house that's 300,000. That's it. Now what do you have?

You got nothing. But most people don't see that. And they go ahead and spend all the money right away. Maybe they don't have the people around them telling them what to do. They've never had the education or the ability to just handle that kind of money. First time getting that kind of money, they go crazy.

So I was fortunate enough to listen to my dad, just hear him out, didn't do those purchases. I never bought anything that I didn't know for a fact I could afford it. I was champion and I saved my money from two fights to finally buy a nearer home. Before I was champion, I saved money from two fights to finally buy a nearer home. Yeah. Before I was champion, I bought a, I saved money from two fights on HBO appearances. I was making $100,000 on each fight. I saved my money at about one house. Then after the next fight, I bought a challenger, a car.

That was like my thing, my baby. I still have. Awesome. But it's not buying, you know, Stravig and stuff. Stravig and stuff, you know, $100,000. Not yet. Yeah.

I bought another house after that, bought another house, you know, buying stuff that I know is gonna help in the future. Yes. It really helped during the years that I was off. Thank God. Those house, those rentals helped. Those flips helped.

Yeah. I love how you think. You know, it was a different, different process to make it through those two and a half years. When you're not making, you know, half a million dollars a fight, you're not making $300,000 a fight. What do you do? You're living on a budget and you've got a-

And you were spending? You still have the spend money, but you have to do a certain way. By the way, that happens to everybody though, even in every business. Their seasons where entrepreneurs are doing really well and then they're not. And it's amazing to be when guys don't think they're going to go through a two-year drought. Or you're going to go through a two-year drought if you're a boxer, if you're a businessman, you've got a business person rather, you've got to say, well, let's talk about you making more money.

So let's finish with the future, because by the way, there's so many lessons in this, like I'm weirdly weird, but as you're talking, there's so many clips here. There's so much stuff I want to send people, because there's stuff for young athletes, business people, entrepreneurs, mindset, family, immig's like, dude, we've covered a lot of stuff here. Money. Right. Preparation, there's so much to this.

Visualization was huge. But you've got to fight, you've at least committed to actually fight this guy, comedy, right? Or is that, you think I'm going to have a richer comedy? He's my mandatory. He's my number one contender for the recently earned IBF belt that I want. I asked his promoter, we talked to his promoter, we haven't agreement, there's no fight date yet.

I'm still in search of a aerospense fight. That's what people want to see. That's what I want, I really want to, again, we'll go back to challenging. I want something that's going to challenge me more. So I'm willing to move up to Well-To-Weight, we'll go back to challenging. I want something that's going to challenge me more. So I'm willing to move up to well-to-weight, a fifth division, a division where I've never even set foot at.

Against probably the most dangerous man in that division, high-skill ratio in the division, naturally the biggest man I've ever stepped inside the ring with. But I want to challenge myself that much. That's the fact I really excite me. That's the fact that motivates me. That's the fact man I've ever stepped you know inside the ring with but I want to challenge myself that much that's the fight that really excites me that's the fight that motivates me that's the fight that I want however at lightweight the IBF is mandating that I find my mandatory so me and the people you have to fight to fight him yeah in order for me to keep the belt I would have to fight him so I asked his promoter Ludabella for me and him to make an agreement where if you just hold off

just a little bit, let me see what is gonna happen with aerospins. If we don't have that fight, then we go on to Kami and we get that fight done. Aestha, we already have potential dates for that. If it happens, we already have the networks behind us. It's done. It's just, we have to say yes.

Okay. But give me a couple of days a week or two to see what's going to happen with the aerospans. If he decides to go Sean Porter and fight Sean Porter and Unify, then I'll go to Richard Comet right away. But if I do land the aerospans fight, then that's the fight that I'm the most happy for. I just want that. You can see it on your face. I just want that. Yeah. I think that's going to be the fight I put me on top of the sport. Undoubtedly, no matter what anybody else says, they're all going to agree. I'm the baddest one in this world right now.

Yeah, I'd love to see that fight too. Can I ask you about two other guys? Sure. Just for the twirl. I just want to know what you think about them and what those fights will be like. So, by the way, thank you for beating Broner. I just really wanted to see that happen. He's correct.

I know why too, right? This is like, thank you for doing. I can't even make waiting into your stomer, which is really one of the see that happen. He's a president. Yeah. You know why too, right? This is like, thank you for doing that. I can't even make weight in India's thumpin', which is good, so thank you for doing that. But so obviously the sped fight would be huge. But any fight you have is huge because of who you are. You make the fights now. So if you end up fighting comedy,

that's a big fight, right? I mean, everyone wants to see you fight. That's the big thing. We got cheated on a couple of years of watching it. But there's two other dudes, like, I know I don't want to get too far ahead, but I'll use this footage for when you fight them, because you're going to be undefeated anyways, right?

So talk to me about Crawford for a second. OK? He's just five. He just literally fought this weekend, right? And so Bucks a bad boy, right? I mean, that's a great fighter. Would that be a dude? Because that's a bigger man also, right? So, so could you could that happen someday if you got through

Spence theoretically with that? I think I think a fight with him would be huge. I've actually considered him pound for pound number one. Yeah, people are using you. Is it on was it Andre Ward? Is it Floyd? It's not Floyd anymore, obviously. You got the guy in the top five. So you're in it. Some lists are subjective to whatever. But it's him. It's the other guy I'm going to ask you about. It's you.

So I actually said it was him. He just fought Saturday night. He didn't have, I think, the best performance. But he still did more and better and he won. He had a little bit of trouble with the height and reach of Benavides. It's the first time that Crawford fights someone like Benavides, prior fighters were not at the level, their contenders were not championship level, They don't have the same skills or attributes. They don't have the height and reach.

So that gave him a little bit of trouble. But he was still doing better and winning. And at the end, he caught him with a great uppercut, hurt him, stopped him. If that fight were to ever happen, I think it'd be huge fight between me and him. We fought once as an amateur. He out-pointed me, he out-boxed me.

I know he's with top ranks still, and then ESPN, and I don't know if he's able to break away from them to get a fight with us, or maybe we can work together and work something out. But I think that would be a huge fight. That's a fight you do. That's a fight I would definitely do. So there's spence. There's Crawford, right? These are just these get me excited. Everybody if you're a boxing fan like you look at the top five list. It's it's

Mikey. It's Crawford. You know, maybe Alvarez is on there now. I don't know. Triple G was there's some other dudes in the mix. And then there's one other dude, which would be it totally different fight than Crawford, but could you ever see yourself step in and there were the Lomon Chaco? Same thing. Again, top rank ESPN issue there. That's what...

That's what sucks and boxing, man. See, right now I've been working... People wanna see these fights. I've been working with Showtime, I've been working with PBC, Richard Schaefer, Ludabella. Now, I don't have anything signed. I could go to an ESPN, but I don't want to go as an opponent. You're going to,

talk, rank, or not. As the opponent, we deserve, a fair fighting field. Right. I deserve my respect. It's like they do. So we should meet somewhere in the middle. Correct.

Now, I know the way that promoter runs business and he doesn't do that, he does everything in-house. So those are tough things to go by and get over and do, but a foul of Lombacheco would be terrific for the fans. I actually think that would be an easier fight for me. You do. A tough fight. A tough fight would be a tough fight.

A tough fight would be a tough fight. Just because stylistically. Styles. Yeah. Highest reach. Yeah. South Paul running around is more difficult than a smaller South Paul that comes in fight. Yeah.

I think it'd be a terrific fight though. Mm-hmm. He has a lot of angles and he's gonna try to, you know, enforce and use. I have the timing, I got power, I got skills. You know, people interested in my skills. They see, oh, he's one to skills. You know, people on dress to me, my skills, they see, oh, he's one of the men, all he does is a jab, jab, right hand, nothing.

Ask that, ask that to my opponents. Ask them if they thought it was gonna be as difficult as it was. Ask them if I hit as hard as they believed. If I was as fast as they thought. Ask my, but don't ask me, don't ask the fact, ask the opponent. You know what you seem to make? You seem to be like, whatever the fight would need,

you would need. Like if you needed additional footwork against a low-man-chaco, you'd have it, right? I just feel like that. Nobody has seen the best out of me. That's what I want to see you fight these guys. No one has seen the best because I haven't had the need to use it.

The people that have seen a little bit more of the people that are in the gym with me, training when I'm sparring. And I mean, I'll invite you if you want to come see me, train with some time, when I'm in camp, training sparring. Love it, being there. A few of the people who have seen me,

have seen little spurs and moments of me actually picking it up, you know, training on that switch for those few seconds and sparring against other opponents. But the general public have never seen those moments because I'm not not the need to. Yeah. My opponent brings it, I bring it up a notch. My opponent brings another something else, I bring it. Yeah. I'd love to

see that with Spence because I think that fight can be made. That's one of the ones that's the one that can be made. Now it can actually be made. Yeah, exactly. He's independently working with our aim and his BBC. He's working with showtime. Yeah. So I want that fight. We actually talked about and he was...

He's down too. He's down. But after the Dannegar Szechan Portify, he's saying he wants to maybe do that. I hope the money maybe is great with me and drawing back. It's such a great time in the sport, man, because you're... There's a lot of money in the sport, and there's so many skilled guys that are different.

Just the names we've said, like, Spence is this one type of fighter, you're this fundamentally strong dude who does everything well, right? Then you got this little crazy dude with the footwork in the Angos Lomon Chaco, and then you got this Crawford dude is just, he's a freak, I mean, he just makes people look silly.

They lose their will to win when they fight this guy. He takes their will. He's very good at using what he has, height, reach, he can fight left handed, right handed. He can find a DnSack and find a DnSack. For me, that's why I have him as pound for pound number one. Hopefully, there'll be more and more pressure on top rank and some of these other collaborations to make up fights.

That is the one thing you have to say. Because I think boxing is the most beautiful sports. The one thing you say for the UFC man, they make the fights people want to see. And your name is associated with the three or four fights everybody wants to see. Well, in the UFC, he's basically one, of course. He's one of the most.

He does whatever he wants. In boxing, there's so much more people involved. It's hard to get all those fights done. We've been able to get a lot of fights through the showtime and the PVC and Heyman and those those the group of people because we have a big roster of fighters where we can still get those fights done It's really only Aaron that does things on his own on the side and really is not working with PVC But there could be some huge fights with Loma Chamco myself with Crawford

Crawford with any of the you know spans or determined fight there could be so many great fights we hopefully we can get some hope so too man all right so let's finish up with this so you we're talking all these fights you starting you're kind of this financially independent spot now you control your own future what do you want like is one of your goals to surpass the 50 in Omar or do you not think about those things you just go one fight of time like if I said hey hey, your career ends in whatever, six years, 10 years, three years, whatever it is. What do you want to be the finish of that career?

What would be your dream career? You know, I've never actually chased anything. I've never chased a record. I'm not chasing a number of titles. It's not like I want to get 10 titles or six division or five division. I've never been chasing that. I just know that at the end of my career I'll be regarded and remembered as one of the best fighters of this generation and one of the all-time greats for my accomplishments, for

the fights that I'm doing. I know I will. There's more to prove, there's more to do in the sport, there's more to accomplish. Won't fight out of time. And when I'm done, Yogi is just going to see it. Anybody else would think my career is already, you know, say, you know, four divisions, five-time world champion. I mean, anybody else would have been extremely happy and satisfied with that. I'm not, I just want one more.

I love it. And your young still broke. What do you, 30? 30. Come on. You're young. I'm a prime. Dude, it's unbelievable.

It's just prime. One of the things I think everybody watching this is thinking, too, is like, what a good man. You're confident, but you're humble. And people want to root for you, you know what I mean? And I also think knowing my audience now, they're gonna wanna follow you too and engage with you. How do they tell them how they find you?

Where has the Instagram? On Instagram, Instagram at team Mikey Garcia. Okay. Mikey Garcia on Twitter. I run my accounts, I'm the one that handles it. You are. So I'm on it and, primarily it's on the Instagram

and the Instagram. I want you to follow him, because you got it out of the day. This is a, this is a world-class businessman, his mindset. He doesn't just think like just an athlete. This guy thinks like a businessman as an athlete.

He's a peak performer with all the visualizations stuff. That was so good. But I also, I think as you follow him, you're following one of the great American stories from, I think as you follow him, you're following one of the great American stories. I think every time people see you fight now in my audience, they're going to think you're mom and your dad. They're going to think you're brother.

They're going to think of you walking into the gym and crying when you're a little kid. I didn't want to like it. You know, and standing up to the promoters and it's just, you're a real interesting man. I really like you. I'm really glad we did this today. We're friends now. Thanks. I am going to come see you train.

All right, Jim, was it still my training camp? I'm in. Come to my ranch, hang out over there, and I would love that. And I got to get you up to Idaho with the kids too. Oh, that's it. I would love to. Thanks so much for all the effort. All right, everybody.

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