THE ED MYLETT SHOW - Nature vs. Nurture w/ Jim Rome

Episode Date: March 24, 2020

The Keys 🔑 to Rising to the TOP of your field and an impeccable description of “The Grind“ Trust me...this conversation is SPECIAL. I’ve been so excited to share this interview with you guys���. Talk about someone who completely CRUSHES it in their field and is safe to say the MOST successful man in the history of sports radio… Jim Rome has been someone I have admired for a LONG time from a distance... He is a leading opinion-maker of his generation and completely reinvented Sports Radio into what it is today, he hosted the Jim Rome Show on CBS Sports Radio, made the Radio Hall of Fame and is also a commentator on NFL on CBS-TV... This man doesn’t have just a gift with talking sports but with all things SUCCESS! Anyone who is working on their DREAM is going to benefit GREATLY from this conversation because he dives DEEP into how he got exactly where he is today! I love Jim's story because he took something he LOVED, and he did whatever he could possible to incorporate it into his life…. He is a perfect example of why our PASSION for the PROCESS will drive us faster to success than anything else. He explains that it’s not always about talent, it’s about choosing a destination and putting in EFFORT and DEDICATION until you get there. Jim shares the KEY question he asked himself when he was going after his dreams and what self-awareness did for him during his rise to fame and why being DIFFERENT, and never giving in is the simple recipe to ultimate success. And yes…. We touch on the almost career-altering experience that he had on Live TV and how it felt for him to go through it… This conversation had so many golden nuggets and with everything going on right now let's use this opportunity to learn about What it truly takes to get to the top… I’m telling you this interview is remarkable!

This is the Edmmerlich show. Welcome back to Max Out everybody. I'm so excited about today's show because this is somebody that I admired from a distance for a shoot a couple decades now at a minimum. And to put it bluntly, he is the most successful man in the history of his craft. It's the most successful man in the history of sports radio. And he's done a whole lot more of in that

when it comes to television as well. Right now, the Jim Roan Show is hosted on the CBS Sports Radio Network at SimoCast over to the CBS Sports Network. He also makes appearances on CBS for the NFL. And he's had a storied career in an area in an arena that I'm very, very fond of and it's great to have him with me here today. So Jim, thanks for being here. That is so good to see you. Well, that is some kind of view, my man. That lives up to all the hype.

That is a beautiful, beautiful scene. Well done. Very blessed for sure. And so have you been, by the way. I'm curious as we start because most of my audience knows you for sure and I've admired you for so long and one of the things I admire about you is your humility for how successful you've become but today I want to give you permission to be you can brag a little bit when it comes to the truth about your career so I want to ask you how did you get started because I know that you went to University of Santa Barbara because we're both in the big West Conference but did you know way before you even got to Santa Barbara that this is what you

wanted to do? You know, I would say this, my only advantage, I think that I really had was I did know exactly what I wanted to do at an early age, you know, unlike you, I mean, I had professional athletic aspirations, but I did figure out early on, this was not going to happen for me. You have to understand, I grew up in Los Angeles at a very different time when there was no internet and there was no cable, but I was obsessed with sports, man. I loved it. I had my childhood heroes and I couldn't get enough.

I mean, if my old man was not saying to me, get your ass out of the house, it's beautiful day. I would have watched sports all day long and read sports, but I did realize that at a pretty early age that I could not hit a curve ball. I was not blessed with this great size and ability. So how do I stay in sports? And I just kind of got it in my head.

Maybe I could be on the radio. Maybe if I got really lucky, I could be on TV, so I knew at an early age, and what that did for me, it was I knew that the second I got to UC Santa Barbara, I checked into the dorm, and I went right to the radio station, and I never left, and I just kind of locked in.

So my one advantage was, I knew when you're not supposed to know, who knows when they enter college, what they want to do, do you know? Well, you want to be a pro baseball player. And it didn't work, right to know who knows when they enter college what they want to do Did you know what you want to be a pro baseball ball and it didn't work right? Yeah, you ended up doing what you want to do But but I think it's like my son just started college. It's okay not to know when you start college right? Absolutely, but I knew and I was going to lock in and start paying the price. So yes, I knew that's awesome You so you get started I was a radio TV broadcast major as'm a major, I was a communication major. And one of the things that I tell all entrepreneurs is, I think especially in this day and age with the internet technology,

everybody wants stuff to happen right now. Right, like, hey man, I'm gonna give this a shot for six months. I'm gonna make a run at this, you know, until it hurts a little bit. One of the things I admired about you because you chose a craft that it does not happen quickly in.

So what about like staying power? You get going, you leave Santa Barbara. It what about like staying power? You get going, you leave Santa Barbara, it's not like the next year you're in San Diego, you know, becoming the gym room that we know now. No, there's like, there's lots of layers to that, it's a really interesting question. You know, like Mike Tyson said, everybody's got a plan to like punch in the face. Everybody's like, I'm gonna do this. Like when I was in Santa Barbara, we all thought we would go right to the top because you're in college and you're naive, you don't know how the world works just yet.

So we all believe that until you actually get into it. And then all of a sudden, you see what's going on around you. So when I was a young person in the business, I would apply myself, but then I see my other friends who were not in the business and they're going to law school or they got into marketing or they got into sales or they went to Wall Street and they're killing it.

And all of a sudden now I'm still grinding in market 174, which is Santa Barbara, and I'm not making much money and all my buddies are just thriving and they're killing it. It's at that point that people start to say, it's a dream, it's a pipe dream, it's not meant to be, it's not for me, I'm gonna give in and then people give in.

So I would say this is a great story. I knew not to give in but you know what, I did. I was one of the guys that give in. So I would say this is a great story. I knew not to give in, but you know what? I did. I was one of the guys that gave in. So here's what happened. When I was in college, I had seven internships in three and a half years because I was obsessed. Man, I was like, I was terrified of falling behind

and I was so committed, but then I had one bad experience. I got punched in the face once and did not react well to it. I worked for a radio station in Santa Barbara for free for nine months. A paid position opened up. The news director says to me, you're the guy. You've earned it, it's your time. I'm just going to cut a demo tape, we played for the owner, and then you're in. The owner here is it, he hates it.

He goes, I'm not hiring that guy. And I'm like, wow. But I had a fallback plan, my parents own a business. So I go to my own man because I have visions of there's the BMW, there's the house, there's the presidency. So I go to my tough old man from Boston, I'm like, hey, dad, listen, I want to go to work for you. He goes, no, no, I'm like, dad, every old man wants their son to fall in their footsteps.

So like I see, he's like, not this one. And I'm looking at him like, what? And he says to me, you've never once displayed any interest in the family company. You don't come to me now right now and say you want to. No, he said no. I'm like, yeah, I'm like, what do I do? I want to control my own fate, my own destiny.

And then radio is not fair, life's not fair. So I talked him into it, I warmed down. Because I always had this kind of drive and passion, I wore him down, I worked on him for six months. Of course it was the wrong thing for the wrong reason. He fired me. And then to make this a super long story short. I've never heard this before.

Yeah, it's unbelievable. So he, and keep in mind, I grew up at a dinner table every night when my parents owned a small business. They were manufacturers. And they manufactured high-tech garments and they had a factory in Chatsworth and I heard every day at dinner. Business is business. Business is business.

You take care of the business, the business will take care of you. So about six months in, he fires me nicely but business is business. He said, what are you going to do now? I said, I'm going to go get a sales job. He looks at me like I'm crazy. He's like, you suck at sales. I just fired you. I'm like, no. sales job. He looks at me like I'm crazy. He's like, you suck at sales. I just fired you. I'm like, no, I suck at selling your product.

I will sell something else. I got a job working at Harris Linear selling dictation equipment. Oh my God. And because when I went to a headhunter, they said, we're gonna send you out. And here's the best one. Here's the one that everybody wants.

I can always sell me. Yeah, you're right. But nothing else. So I got the job. I stayed there 38 days. I quit. They're furious. And then I'm selling phone equipment.

And it's going terrible, man. I'm getting my face beat in. And finally, in a fit of just, I'm near tears. I call my old boss where I had an internship in Santa Barbara. And I said my life, he's like, hey, Rome, what's going on? I'm like, nothing good. Nothing good. He's like, hey, Rome, what's going on? I'm like, nothing good. Nothing good.

He's like, what? I lay out my whole sales life. I'm a failure. I'm worth nothing. Do you have any radio work in Santa Barbara? He's like, I've got one thing. 30 hours, vacation relief, traffic reports, $5 an hour. Do you want it?

I said, yes. Yes. And I tell my old man, he's like, how are you gonna live? I said, I have no idea, but my life is going right down the gutter. I gotta get back up there. And so I committed to this. I had $5 an hour, 30 hours a week. For one month, no benefits.

Because the kid was on vacation for Christmas. And I said, I'll figure it out when I get up there. I just know that I'm not good at sales. Brother, I know you know where that question started. Sorry about that. I knew your whole story and I did not know that part of it. That's a huge thing. I'm so grateful you said this because

a lot of entrepreneurial types listen to this. And probably in your life, you've pursued the business side. And maybe a lot of you listen to this right now, you've gone back to some goofy plan B that you know you don't belong at. You know it's not your calling, you know you're not great at it.

It's like this place you're kind of hiding because this other thing's so painful. And it's really cool to know that, I mean, I'm in your humble about it, but someone who becomes the best of all time at what they do. This man's in the radio, Hall of Fame, guys. I mean, legitimately, three decades plus on the air. I mean, the staying power's been unreal.

To know that you went through this little stage where you were a little bit lost is nuts to me. Yeah, I'm so glad. Yeah, no, no, but I was gonna say, the thing that I admire about you is that post that, it seems to me you made this decision like, okay, I've went and played with this stuff, I'm not any good at.

And then there's becomes as part of you, I love what you talk about this, you're like, this is what I'm gonna do now. I'm gonna figure this shit out. And it's like a burn the boats type thing for you. You've almost got this theory about success that it doesn't always go to the, that's sort of the most talented person with the most gifted person, but it goes to the who. No, and I've seen you talk about this as well, that it's not always the talent, but it's

the grind and it's the effort and it's dedication. And I think that's where the separation is. And by the way, if you know that you're not the most talented guy and you know that you're not the most brilliant person, what are you going to do? Like here's the one thing. The one thing that I had aside from, I knew what I wanted to do at a pretty early age. I knew the price that I was going to negotiate with myself to get that done. Like that's the other sidebar. When I was in UC Santa Barbara, I thought nothing of getting up at 4.30 in the morning

to go work in internship for free. When the other kids were saying, dude, I'm not gonna make that eight-car class. And I'm not saying I'm a hero for doing that. In fact, I'm kind of a loser for doing it because I was terrified of falling behind. I was afraid that somebody else would get that gig if I didn't do it.

But because I knew what I wanted to do and because I negotiated that price with myself at an early age, it was nothing for me. In fact, it felt good, man. I've already talked about this. Like the dopamine that goes off in your head. It was a drug. It was an adrenaline thing. It was natural. I felt good. I was getting up early, going to work, getting the line on the resume, so I felt good. But at the same time, to your point, the reason I was self-aware and that the one other advantage I had did this, I did this math. When I got to UCSB, I thought to myself, why you? Why you?

You were not a professional athlete. You don't have an amazing look. You don't have an amazing voice yet. You want to be on the radio. Yet you want to be on TV. Exactly, what do you have to bring to it? Why you? And I couldn't answer the question at first,

and I thought, man, if I don't come up with that answer, I'm not gonna make it. So why you, why you, why you? And what I finally came down to was this. It's gonna be me, because I'm gonna come at it differently, with a different slant, rather than being the answer man on the radio, I'm gonna come at it with a declarative slant. Rather than being the answer man on the radio, I'm gonna come at it with a declarative slant,

a point of view, a take. Have a take, don't suck. And then the other thing that I was gonna bring to it, if I wasn't smarter and I wasn't better, I'd damn well we're gonna want them. I was gonna want it worse than anybody else. I was not gonna give in. I was not going to give in,

and I'd learn my lesson by going into business and sales. Luckily I got my face beat in. So now I knew what it took. I'm like this time you don't punk out, you lock in, no matter it's not up to you to know how long it's going to take, you just put your head down and you go to war until you find out. I freaking out was my thing. I freaking love it and that's what you're that's what people that I know that know you that's what you're known for. This dude has a psycho work ethic, he's ferocious. And I'm curious about the mechanism that drives you. Like that's loaded with stuff there

for all of you trying to do something great. I wanna, I'm curious, you said something like, almost like fear-based. Like, hey, I might miss this or it may good pass me, or I'm that self-awareness piece is monster. You and I both, most of the most successful people we know are very self-aware.

They know what they're good at, they know what they're not good at. That's it, that's it. You agree with that? Yes, I do. Yeah, I immediately am meeting you too. It's like this, this is one of your great gifts. And I think it also gives you an element of humility too. I know what I'm not good at, so I'm going to have to

outwork somebody. But I'm curious what's made you, to this day, I don't know the answer, I'm curious, do you have this little thing where you're afraid it may leave you, is that a driving mechanism for you or is it always what you're trying to create? Which one moves you? You can say it.

It really is both those things. And I think one drives the other. And you can understand this, I don't, yeah, I have this fear that they're gonna come to me one day. Yeah, listen, if they came to me today, if I walked outside your door and somebody came to me and said, yo man, you've had a pretty good run, we really don't care.

The last thing in this world needs is a 50-something smack talker. And to hit the brakes, eh, oh? Did I far exceeded anything that I ever thought that I would do, and it was a great run? However, I don't want it to end, and not for the reasons you may think. Like, I'm not one of those guys

like, I gotta be on the radio, I gotta be on TV, I gotta, it's not about that ego, it's about the process, it's about wanting to be relevant, it's about me still wanting to be competitive, it's about me wanting to have another act, it's about me wanting to reinvent, it's about me wanting to have people look at me and my parents say, damn man, that guy's not looking for an off-ramp,

that guy's not going away, that I still care what that guy thinks. Because one day it will be over and it will be a great run, but man, I feel good and I'm still really motivated by the puzzle, like the whole world has changed. It's not the way it was when I got in or when you were getting in. So now it's up to me intellectually to figure it out again.

And I wanna be able to say, hey man, I did not give in and the world changed and I changed with it and I'm still relevant. And that's important to me. Right now. Like, literally right now as much as when you're that guy that get the $5 paid 30-day deal. You think you want it that bad, do you?

Yes, yes. And I frequently, I don't keep notes, but I don't have to. I remember what my mindset was. It was a weird deal. You probably know this too. Like, I could get into a flow state back then. Like I knew. I knew I'd walk around campus

and I could lose an hour at a time because I was just so into this. This is what I need to do. This is what I want. And if you think about it hard enough and you're vivid enough with your imagery and how badly you want it, you lose time, don't you? You do. You get into a flow state. And I knew it. And so now I'm trying to think back with it like any athlete right you guys They want to get back in the flow state so when they have their best game ever what did they do they thought about what they did that morning They thought about what music they listened to they thought about the rituals. Yep, and I'm trying to think man Do it again do it again. Do you have a big ritual you do? Do you have anything specific you do you get up real early Don't you drink coffee? That's my ritual

Yeah, I get up I get up early but not as early as I would like. And I fight that thing every single day. But I try to be very ritualistic about it, man. Get up, get going, get to work, lock in. And you know, like anybody else, like any entrepreneur watching, get yourself to do the things that you do not want to do, because that's also one of the separators between those who do and don't.

Make yourself do the things you do not want to do because that's also one of the separators between those who do and don't. Make yourself do the things you do not want to do and do them consistently. You guys see what I wanted them on? I think because a lot of us read the same things, think about the same things. Like even before I got into this, I probably read a lot of the stuff that you read on the way up. I would read Zig Zigler, Aug Mandino, Tom Hopkins, Dale Carnegie, you know, like, and some of it resonated more than some of the other stuff, but I read a lot of that stuff too. I have this feeling and you don't need to acknowledge it.

I think that some of your brand is gonna end up in this area. I think that here's what's rare about you. And it is significantly different about you. One, you were born with some incredible giftedness to articulate thoughts. Let's be real. I mean, you're giving a great voice, you were born with some incredible giftedness to articulate thoughts. Let's be real. I mean, you're giving a great voice, you're giving the ability to think

and process information through your mouth at the speed of thought. That's a very rare thing. But you seem to be, I think a lot of people, success leaves clues. I think there are a lot of people, and you've met them too. I don't think they can explain to you why they're successful.

A lot of people have arrived to success because they're not self-aware. They can't explain to you the steps. You're very unique and that you do know what the things were that made you who you are and you can articulate them very well. I think you'd be short-changing people by not doing more of this stuff. This is fun. Yeah, I mean, it's fun. I like this. I've always I've always I've always liked this and again I don't I think about these things. I think the reason I can articulate it is because I've thought about it long and hard

because what you're talking about. I really, I'm not being cute when I say this. I really think that I'm pretty average in most things. So I wanted to figure out where I could be above average or way above average, and the only thing I kept coming back to was have a very different approach to the format as it exists. And if you're lucky people will like it

and then control what you can control and that's your attitude and your energy and your grit and your ability to deal with adversity and bounce back. Yeah, and you use something else. I've seen guys that outwork everybody the first year or the third or fourth year. And then there's this point where like they're bought.

We all know these, they just get bought with their success, their price tag gets met. And then all of a sudden they don't show up like they used to. They don't innovate, they don't evolve, they don't think through. For most people, what makes you special while so attracted to you is it's 30 plus years and you're still trying to get better.

You're still fighting for these inches. That's the separators. That's what separates to me, someone like a LeBron in a 17th year. 100%. 100%. 100%. I was just gonna say to you,

that you will recognize this. It is exactly like LeBron. It's exactly like your guy Tom Brady. Explain to me how people who've had that much success that have paid that kind of price, that have all the shiny things and the view of the ocean, why are they still working as hard as they are? Because you know what, it wasn't about the shiny things.

It wasn't necessarily about that money, man. It was about the right stuff. Who in the right mind is still getting up at 3.30 in the morning when they've got money that they can't get to and their kids can't get to and they can't get to because they still want it so badly. This is what I'm saying. This is why I watch you and we talk to similar people. How do you bottle the stuff? How do we get this stuff? Yeah. And I want to. We use our kids. Right. Right. Right. How do you do that? By the way, that's a whole side bar. But when you have this, your kids aren't coming up

the way you came up. That's right. Side is not. I know. Your kid never went to a public shower to swim in pool? Right. You know the whole thing. Because his old man busted his ass.

Exactly. So how do you put that in your kid? And then by the way, if they don't want his badly, that's fine. That's okay. That's okay. However, just know the whole world isn't this. It's tough out there. I do think one of the ways you do it. By the way, I have a dad from Boston too.

Really? I was born in Boston and my dad and you were born in Boston. Yeah, and my mom and dad, mom are Boston too. But one of the things I've tried to do and you have the same situation, your children have grown up completely different than you grew up, right? But one of the things I think is a key to that is that they have seen their old man still after it. In other words, they've linked it to the work. So many kids that get to this and other things, so he's going to have his success. If you have children, you know, your children may be later in life than your effort was paid.

Your price was paid. My kids have still seeded me paying the price even after the money part. Don't you think? Oh yeah, it's over here. I bet, I asked your kids, they'll be like, hey, one thing about my dad, he's a horse. This dude gets up and goes all the time. They've linked what they see you doing to the work. Suppose maybe someone who inherited it or something.

You'll get this, my son, Jake. So now he's a freshman at the University of Madison, Wisconsin, Wisconsin, Madison. And what I do on Fridays, we have a little ritual. I'll go my backyard. It's probably like you, like, Wisconsin, Madison. And what I do on Fridays, we have a little ritual. I'll go in my backyard. It's probably like you, like, how hard do you work just to get the five feet over there? It's not easy, right?

And so you spend your whole life trying to get to those five feet, but I bet it's hard to get to, unless you already understand. I know I'm killing myself to get to that backyard. It doesn't happen very often. On Friday afternoon, once I've put in a long work week and I've done my workout, I'll go in the backyard and I'll pour myself a dull beverage.

And I'll take a picture of it and I'll send it to my kid and I'll write cheers. Love you son. And you know what he says to me, Dad, now pops, pops, you earn that. I love that. I enjoy that. I love that. And I'm like, man that is just so deep. I keep it warm.

Yes. Yes. He got it. Before he left the house. Not, not, I love you. I miss you. Yeah. Send money got it before he left the house. Not not I love you I miss you send money and that mail come later on. I mean that's what they always says you earned it. I love it.

I love that. That's beautiful. That's a key man. That's one of the keys. One of the things you've done well that I've noticed. So you said something that is another line that I agree with line of thinking I mean. I had a guy on here a few weeks ago in Mark Laurie.

He runs Walmart. Said a couple big eggs, it's successful, dude. By the way, just at the combine for 250 grand, he's a 43 year old middle age white dude. For 250, he races Jerry Rice in the 40. How'd that go? He beat him. He beat him.

And Jerry, by the way, Jerry's taking care of himself. And Jerry's in still a good shape. This isn't like running against some guys, put on 30 pounds, he beat him. It's just a good thing. That's what he wants, he wants some rich guy to beat him in. Yeah, I know, but like legit he beat him. He ran around about five flat 40, which at that age is remarkable. Right. Anyway, one of the things he said was, I said, give me some advice for entrepreneurs. And he said,

find something that already exists and just do it better. Quit trying to make up some brilliant things. Interesting. And what you've done on your show, I want to, I want you to talk about this for a minute. One of the separators for entrepreneurs for any business is culture. Your show with the vine, the jungle, the clones, have a take, don't suck, the way you lead the group, the way you talk to them, there's a culture to the gym room experience. Did you consciously kind of create that whole deal? Not consciously, but I think it was part and parcel of what I was doing that was different. I didn't know how they would react to it. Here's the funny thing, the real secret of the whole thing is I just did on the radio

what I was doing with my buddies in college. We just talked shit. I just love sports and that's just the way I saw the world, literally. I did not sit around with a legal pad at night and just think of, I'm gonna just make up all these terms and just like call the nicks the breaks because they can't shoot the ball. That really was the way I saw the world. You know, and we would just talk shit.

I'm like, wow, this is amazing. They might pay me to come up with this as a format. Right. So, but luckily, again, I understand the world that I came into when I got my first big break in 1990, not to date myself, there were two sports talk radio stations in America, FAN, in New York, and extra sports 690. In fact, when I started to apply for that station,

which is a whole different story out of itself, they weren't even all sports. They were like news talk, but they had the Chargers rights, and there was a sports talk show in the afternoon. They were the Mighty 690? Sure was, Mighty 690, exactly. So there was nothing, and when they did that, there certainly was not a format like that.

You had a couple of gunners, they would kind of come pretty hard, but I just came at it a whole different way with a vernacular and the way I was kind of going after athletes and doing tough interviews. But smart, I want to make sure that I could always back up what I was saying. Like even if you didn't agree with it, it was well-reasoned. I didn't just get on there and start running off the mouth. You're not a hot taker. You like really believe the things you're saying.

Yeah. You might not like me at all, but this is really who I am. Now, that said, that said, I think part of your thing might be like, I wanna talk to this guy, because I think there's more of this guy than that guy who's on the radio. Of course, it's a show.

Now, don't get me wrong. I mean, I mean what I say, and I say what I mean, and I would walk in and this back, except the stuff that I was actually wrong about. I mean, this is who I am, but I don't go around talking smack 24 and seven. Right, it is a show. The one thing I don't go around talking smack 24 and seven. It is a show.

The one thing I did figure out too, be different, never give in, always keep coming, but give them a show. That much I understood early in my life. Make it a show. It's a show, it's a show. Anything you regret, you've done? I mean, sure, I mean, sure.

There, I mean, yeah, I kind of regret calling Jim Everett Chris several times. I know he was so, I regret that I didn't understand that situation better. That's really interesting. So Jim Everett, people know, a lot of people know me is the guy, the quarterback attacked him. Understand this about this incident.

That was not a setup. That was not me. People think this, really. What happened was there's a whole backstory to it that I've told a few times, but this guy was coming on the show and it was kind of interesting how it got booked. Like I didn't say go get this guy as a guest, but I always had a standing policy. Yes. You understand that. That's good. We have always had a standing policy, especially back in the day when I was really coming hard, really coming hard,

that if somebody, and I could tell you lots of stories about athletes, that had an issue, and I said, if you have an issue, here I am. Here I am, come on the show, and we'll discuss this, and we'll be up for, let's put them all on the table, man. And so he wanted to be on the show, and I'd been pretty critical with him, and I said, good, that's fine.

But I didn't know how that came to be. So I said in my book, or did you call him, and my booker said no, he called us. I said, okay, because that's what my policy was. And then right before, like the night before, and I asked the question a few times, now you called him, he called us, right? Yes, yes, yes, Jim, he called us.

Right before my booker had missed me, I called him. I said, all right, let's get on the phone and be sure that he knows. He knows. So my producer, who is an extraordinarily successful guy, my name marks your peril. He ran ESPN for years. He now is with William Morris, where I am right now. And he said, he, listen, you know Rome is called you Chris Everett.

Yes, we know. He's talking to him. He's like, yes, I know. He's going to say it on the show because he would never not say to a guy's face what he said about him on the radio. Yes I know, we know what show we're getting on. But this is not gonna be the show.

We really wanna do this interview. There's a lot here. He's like, I know, I'm aware. And then he came on and then I said it and then he goes, I bet you don't do it again and then I said it again. So one regret is I didn't need to say it again. You know, and I really honestly, I didn't know't do it again and I said it again. So one regret is I didn't need to say it again. You know, and I really honestly,

I didn't know he was that angry, it was live TV. And I didn't play it right. It's right, it's live, it was live. It's live. And so I was a really bad day at work for me. I was a really bad day at work. Was that a career threatening type day? You better was, you better was, you better was.

And people, people to this day say to me, it made you. It made you, I kinda take exception to that. I didn't wanna be known for that. I did not wanna be known for that. I know it made you, it made you. I kind of take exception to that. I didn't want to be known for that. I did not want to be known for that. I moment, look, I'm accountable. I had a bad day. That was my bad. I apologize for that a million times.

I always will. I did not handle that well. Period. The backstory is pretty interesting, though, to be honest with you. I mean, he knew what he was getting into. The reason I actually... I think, here's the thing, though, somebody said to me, excuse me. Somebody said, I think he was coming for you. I don't know that he was. into. The reason I actually... I don't know, I think, I think, he's the thing though, somebody said to me, excuse me, somebody said, I think he was coming for you.

I don't know that he was. I think that he got really upset and understandably so. I think in the moment, it came up with the thing. Of course he got upset. And what's he, you'll find this to be more interesting. For years, I tried to do the interview after it happened.

I'm like, let's get some closure. Yeah. And not for the wrong reason. Now people wanna see it it just to see it. Would you believe to this day we've never spoken? Wow. I tried for years and years and years to do the interview and he always said no. Wow.

And I just stopped asking after about 10 years. Well, of course, after a decade of asking. Right. Maybe you'll see this in the green to do it. Maybe. Maybe I don't want to anymore. I tell the big take away. So, the reason I asked you, I wasn't going to bring the incident up.

I was going to see what you answered was, that's the other thing I kinda want people to get another lesson through you, is that that could have been a career altering day for you. It certainly didn't. It was scary. It certainly didn't make you. That's not true.

What's made you is the prolific culture you've created and your relentless work ethic over time. That's what's made you. Your preparation, the way you interact with the athletes, your ability to articulate. However, it's a great lesson. It's a great lesson because I look at a guy like our mutual buddy, A. Rod's a good buddy.

And I look at A. Rod three, four years ago, he was a pariah, right? Like nobody in the world would touch him. It's unbelievable. And he's remade himself into this, like he's the ESP, face of ESPN baseball. He's revered again, right? And so, why that's important is for everybody,

a lot of us have this one mistake in our life. It could be a divorce, a bankruptcy, and we shame ourselves the rest of our life. Like, okay, I can't win again because I've made this one particular error in our career, you're proof of that. Whether it was an error or not on error, it was one of the most shocking sports interview moments in the history of sports interview. I don't want to give myself too much credit. It was one of the most shocking sports interview moments

in the history of sports interview. I don't want to give myself too much credit. It was one of the most shocking moments on TV. Ever. In a long time, ever, ever. I would say one more thing too. I don't know if you know this, but it's a little cheesy, but I think it is apropos.

The only times did a piece. Shortly thereafter, and the title of the article was, is this the end of the Roman Empire? I put it on my mirror. I looked at it every day for a year. I sat every morning when I shaved. I sat every morning when I got out. Like they're speculating that my career is over before it starts. And so it's one thing to pump yourself up, we don't give in, don't quit. Yeah, easy to say all that until adversity hits. Adversity hit. And you know, the world was different then. I mean, there was no social media then,

which were to be a tougher, but I'll tell you what there was. There was Saturday Night Live, Katie Korak talking shit about me. They were killing me on Saturday Night Live. And so people like now say, yeah, well, that's awesome. And it's not awesome when you're in it, and you think that maybe you're not getting contracts renewed.

And then all of a sudden, when people don't know you, you're going to restaurants and everybody knows you, and it and you think that maybe you're not getting contracts renewed. And then all of a sudden when people don't know you're going to restaurants and everybody knows you and it's for the wrong reason. Because it was one bad night and let that be a lesson. One bad decision could impact the rest of your life. During those moments, I'm curious about Janet. So I've been married once and she's had my back through a bunch of different ups and downs. You talk about Janet on the show, but I think she's only been on the show like one time.

One time. Yeah, we both are, both also have the single real private with our families. We're going to do a lot of posts and pictures and things like that. I'm protective of that too. But if you don't mind talking about it because I just think she's been such an important part of your life. How important has Janet been through moments like that in your career? Or you just like do you do your thing and she does her thing?

No, no, no, she's definitely right in the middle of that whole thing because we met through the business. The funny thing about Janet, when I met Janet, she was way more successful at this business than I was. She was a vice president of the corporation that owned the Mighty 690. Okay. Janet heard me and tried to fire me right away. So Janet's advice

president of Human Resources. And the funny thing about because the corporate office was in San Diego where the station was but they own several stations nationwide. They all had a vote at the conference table about programming. I always thought that was kind of weird that why is it counting voting on programming? Why is human resources voting on programming? Because they could I guess they did. Because I did this differently than anybody else had, they had never heard anything like that before. So, Janek rose up in Long Beach. She's a huge Dodger fan, and I get on the radio and I said, let me tell you about Fernando Bound's Wella, man, that old man will be on food stamps by the

end of the week. And she was, she little was mortified. This is a church-going girl who grew up loving the Dodgers, and she was mortified. She's like, Igoing girl who grew up loving the Dodgers and she was mortified. She's like, I don't know who the new guy is. I don't know where he came from. I moved that we fire him right now. Really? So I married her ultimately. You know?

That's awesome. But the moral of that story is she was doing way better than me, making a lot more money, way more successful. And she saw me before any of this happened. And so I kind of schooled her and my friends and family that when I came up and people who liked me loved me and people who didn't like me hated my guts and said things that were not nice,

in some cases horrible and didn't know me and family and friends get really upset. I'm like, listen, this is part of it. This is what we signed up for. So you need to understand, you cannot react to this. You can't fight everybody who says something. Yeah, but they don't know you. You can't control that.

So she knows that. So when it hit the fan, she was there, she was fine. That's awesome, man. You've had a great partner all these years, which led you into, I just wanna talk about this for a little bit because I think this is a really weird part of your story. Like somehow the sports guys and all these years, which led you into, I just wanna talk about this for a little bit, because I think this is a really weird part of your story. Like, somehow, the sports guys and all these other sports

and I knew enough about you were no interest in horse business before. Yeah. Like, all of a sudden, you're like, and by the way, like anything you've done, like you didn't just do it a little bit, I mean, eventually you got into, like, you're pretty deep. Yeah, I was really deep and I had no interest in that either.

So you don't interested in that. So there's a guy named Billy Koch, and Billy Koch, I was really deep. And I had no interest in that either. So you know, you know, you're interested in that. So there's a guy named Billy Koch. And Billy Koch, actually was a college baseball player at Northwestern and Beverly Hills kid. And he was in this. He had a racing certificate. So what he would do is he would go out and he'd find people and they'd invest and they'd buy pieces of a horse.

And he saw me in Del Mar and said, hey, hey, I, he knew me. And he's like, you're the love that you're gonna love. And I'm like, no, I won't. No, I want to have no interest. I have no interest. Why would I want to do that? I want to go to Del Mar. I want to watch the races. I'll put on, no, I won't. No, I have no interest. I have no interest. Why would I want to do that? I want to go to Don Mar.

I want to watch the races. I'll put on a suit, have a few pops. And I'll do that once or twice a summer. And I'm good. He's like, no, no, you'll love it. You'll love it. I didn't want to do it. Janet says, you know what, we should do this.

I said, do what? She said, buy a horse. I'm like, why would I do that? You need a hobby. You need a hobby. We bought 10% of a horse. I go to Santa, the horse is Argentinian bread. They bring them in. He runs. And I was naive. I thought, I'm, the horses, Argentinian bread, they bring them in, he runs,

and I was naive, I thought, I'm a sports talk show host, man, I know everything. I didn't know that much about horse racing. I rode in, running styles, strategies, I buy 10% of the horse, the horse is running dead last. I'm like, I must be the biggest sucker ever. I must be like, easy mark on my forehead. I'm like, I'm trying to put a stop on the check

in the middle of the race, asshole. The horse comes from dead last to win the race in the most exciting fashion ever. And I've told the story, it's like somebody rolled up behind me and injected me with equine crack. I look at this guy, I'm like, dude, you got anything else you can sell me? What else do you out for sale?

And I couldn't stop, it felt so amazing. So then I'm all in and some of the best and worst days of my life have been in the track. But you went up to like 14 horses or something, right? And then you get the misdirection and you're talking about a horse that's like multiple victories at the breeders' car. So yeah, so the really short version is so Janet's like,

hey, how much money have we lost by the way, doing this? I'm like a lot. She's like, maybe we should stop. I'm like, you told me to get a hobby. She goes, I didn't tell you to get one that expensive. I said, here's the thing. One more time. There's this horse named Ms. Direction.

She's like, Jimmy, stop. I'm like, listen to me. This horse, it's made and raised by nine half lengths. We've never been anywhere near an animal like this. I want to take one more shot. She's like, all right, so that was it. Ms. Direction literally saved my horse racing life because up until then that was the last shot. And then I bought in, they made it the majority owner. We ran

our silks and she won two breeders cup races against the boys, which was unbelievable. And to this day, I've never experienced anything in business that felt like that first win that she had was the most surreal moment of my life that did not involve the things that matter. So that was the high, the lowest shared belief, right? The lowest shared belief. Yeah, I just told them about that. So share belief was a,

so we sold Ms. Direction at auction because we wanted to retire her, give her the right life. Share believes the horse that we bought did, we thought we'd have some fun with. He was a gilding, okay? So you cannot, if they're gilded, they've got no residual value. You cannot breathe them.

That's why he was for sale. And we bought the horse, and the horse was unbelievable. We had no idea. He went from a horse that we thought we'd have fun with to the top ranked thoroughbred in the world. He was the number one ranked horse in the world. He beat California Chrome. He won the award for the two-year-old male of the year.

He won the Pacific class in Del Mar, which is the biggest race here, I think. The San Diego handicaps. I mean, I'm unbelievable, athlete, I'm unbelievable. And then he comes down with Collick. I get this phone call one morning during my radio show from my race manager, Alex O'Lease, who says, Jim, the big horse has Collick. And I said, oh my God, how bad is that?

He goes, the Russian him him to David's medical center. He may not make it. Keep in mind, the horse is four. I got it, and the horse has lived to be in their 20s. And it was like larger than life, and the horse passed away. And I'm still not over it. Like, it's like anything in life, right?

The really bad things happen. You hope to get beyond it, but something you don't really ever get over. So, it's like anything in life, right? The really bad things happen, you hope to get beyond it, but something you don't really ever get over. So, it's like also in sports, the lows are much more intense than the highs are high. So as good as it was in misdirection, one, the breeders kept twice, the intensity of losing share belief like that,

I think we'll far outweigh everything. I think it's the only face. Yeah, it's hard, man. Even now. Like, yeah, I said to my, I told the story, maybe you've seen the video I did, but I said to my 10 year old man. Like, yeah, I said to my, I told the story, maybe you've seen the video I did, but I said to my 10-year-old at the time, Logan, was at my office crying, my desk at work.

I had this whole thing, man, don't you ever cry at work. Don't cry, don't care how bad your work is. You don't cry at work. Unless you get a phone call with some really bad news, you don't cry at work, and my 10-year-old goes, dad, I've never seen you cry. I said, because I don't very much, man, I love that animal. Man, very much. Man, I love that animal.

Man, I'm so sorry. I love that animal. But the whole reason you did it, I'm gonna get into like your mind a little bit. So, or you, like be real. I mean, I know you've been real. Like be real. You needed to hobby.

That sounds like something my wife would say. And one of the things that I've always struggled with, and I just want people that are like this, maybe you're this way, maybe you're not, I'm not, as much as I relate really well with people, I just want people that are like this. Maybe you're this way, maybe you're not. I'm not as much as I relate really well with people. I'm not like one of the guys. Do you know what I mean? No, I know exactly what you mean.

Like my, cause I think this is a model or a personality trait that I see in a lot of people that are successful, that surprises people, but like my social circle's not as big as most people would think. Like as many people as you and I both know, like who I really spend time with, it's surprising you're actually. I'm saying my head because I'm totally

no exactly where you're going with that. Yeah, so what is that like for you? Like as your social circle really is big as most people would think, are you, like what are you like socially and what's your kind of, are you a dude who's like kind of playing grab bass with dudes all the time

or are you tipping more serious? No, no, I've got like four guys. Yeah, I've got friends, I have associates, but I've got three or four dudes. Like I don't, I used to be a big Bombay Sapphire guy. So we had a Bombay club because who drinks gin, only old men, all lawyers, and me, until I did, but I had a crew.

I got some guys, and I don't want the guys, I'm not doing this in any order of importance, but my guys are guys like Rob Guthrie, Mike Treson, Matt Coleman, you know, I just have a crew. And we used to be almost fanatical about once a quarter, no matter where we are, we drop everything, we go out and we hit pretty hard, responsibly. And you know, as you get older, it's tougher because everybody has lives and kids, but no, my job was my thing. Yeah.

My career was my career in family, career in family. That's what it seems like. Family and career, family and career. I didn't need all that other stuff. Yeah. And if I had to blow off some steam, I'd blow off some steam and then get right back to the grind. So when you say to me that you have a tight knit circle

of the people who matter both you, that you want to hang out with, I understand that. I really believe what you said. I take to heart that I think you have some unbelievable gifts and talents, but I know from just being around you now, this man's made it because he's a crazy competitor. He evolves. He works as ass off, and he flat out wants it probably more than most people, right? And I feel like I'm kind of in that boat in my own unique way too.

I know I don't have a super high IQ. You know, I'm not six foot three. I'm not super gifted in any particular area. Yeah, but Ed, you can bench the house though. No, I can't bench the house. You know what I put, I had Michael Hernan here, if you know what that is, that do can bench the house.

But comparatively speaking, but I do like, I really wanna win. Like I really wanna be somebody. I connect with athletes. But what do you think that is? Here's the thing, I always like, I really want to win. Like I really want to be somebody. I connect with athletes. I can't wait. Why do you think that is? Here's the thing, I always ask as I this. Nature or nurture.

Are you wired for it or are you a product of your culture? Where does that come from? What do you think? What do you think? For you. I think, okay, for me. Yeah. For me.

This is the ultimate question of all questions right here. Because I have an upper middle class upbringing. Me too. Okay, I did not, I did not come up the hard way. I lived in a gated neighborhood. Okay, I didn't quite go there, but same, close. I mean, I wasn't, my parents were not wealthy, but they worked hard and they had a business

and they did well. I'll be honest with you, me personally, because I'm not even my old man, my dad. He passed away when he was 59, he had leukemia. And this is amazing to be really just sidebar really quickly. He was fine with it. I guess a strange thing. He is Boston guy, he's diagnosed with cancer at 50,

and he and my mother don't tell anybody. They don't tell anybody. They don't tell anybody. They pull, yes, just us though. My sister and I, and they say to us, we're not telling anybody, I'm like, what, you just tell me you have leukemia and you're not telling anybody. He didn't tell his mother, they didn't tell anybody in business.

They're like, this is how we're handling it. If you wanna talk about it, we'll talk about it all day every day, but we're not talking about outside these doors. I thought there was unbelievable. And then when it gets into his brain, and it's terminally, his brain surgery, he's fine. He's fine.

He's at peace. He's like, man, I had an amazing life. I've got these incredible kids. He didn't. You know, he's like, I have this, I never thought I'd be good in business. I am. Like, he was fine.

He had this peace of mind. But we had this one talk back to your question. He's like, you gotta relax. I'm like, what do you mean I gotta relax? He's like, I don't know where you got your drive from. You didn't get it from me. I'm like, I don't know, dad, you better pretty good run. He's like, you didn't get it from me.

So to answer your question, where did it come from? I don't know, man, I kind of had a chip on my shoulder. Maybe it was because I was a dorky kid, maybe. I don't know, but I wanted it. I wanted it and I was able to feed it and tap into it. And you still do, though. That's the crazy part. You still do.

I can feel you. I think you're as hungry like this minute after Hall of Fame, 30 years, millions of dollars in income, live a great life. I think your trip is game recognizes game. I think I'm kind of in the element, but no, I mean, I still, it gets me up in the morning still yet.

And you gotta answer your question now. Where did yours come from? I think it's a great question. I think it's probably similar to yours. My dad, here's what I got from my dad, maybe you did. I did model like a work ethic from my old man. Like, and a decency from my parents that they treat people well.

There's a, like I think I picked up some of that, I hope, like I, but my dad never had ambition. My dad's told me many times, I just wanted to work and provide for the family, I wanted a good life, like what the hell happened to you? My dad and I have this conversation all the time. And it sort of shocks him. I don't even think they saw,

I think they knew they wanted me to be successful, but I'm not sure they thought whatever happened happened. I think that... So what happened? I don't know. I think some of it was that I was an undersized athlete, stuff like that too. But again, I think it's probably more nature

because I'll just, four siblings grew up in my household. We're very different people. Same stimulus, same family, same parents, and I'm different. I'm always fascinated by that. I am too. But I think that the people that have stimulus, same family, same parents, and I'm different. I'm always fascinated by that. I am too. But I think that the people that have that psychostique,

that have that, I want to be somebody thing, need to know that it's great. My dad says that to me too, you need to chill. Hey, when's enough enough? And hey, even this morning, we're talking about some deal I'm doing, he's like, you know, put the pressure off yourself a little bit. Because I think as a parent, you want them to be okay.

Right. I don't know that that's, maybe it's good that he dials me in once or all. That someone does that, but I wouldn't recommend that to somebody. Like if I'm not in pursuit of something, I'm miserable. I tried for like a half a year to like golf and sit on the beach and I just,

it's not what makes me happy. Yeah, but you enjoy this though, right? I do. Yeah, I think it'd be a real mistake to hit it. And it took me a long time to figure this out. I mean, you have all these things that you work so hard for, but you just keep grinding and grinding and grinding, and then it got away. Right.

You didn't take that minute. Yeah. Well, I'm not saying dial it down. I'm not saying down shift. I'm saying, this is the best view I've ever seen. Hopefully you get your ass out on that deck. And you have some of that tequila once in a while. I mean, you have to do it, right?

We both had a little before we started to do it. I did, well, maybe a little. You had a sip, but I had a lot. I had a little bit. I do do that. I think that's one of the things that, maybe you're right. Maybe one of the things,

you're putting on something that's me. Maybe I need to show that side of me a little bit more that people go, I want to be like that. Like, I want to have some fun doing it too. Well, and I'm going to show you, just do it. Yeah, just do it, man. Just do it. Like I'm not saying, you don't ever, ever compromise who you are and what you do because you're right.

What are you gonna, you're not gonna be happy. Yeah. You're not gonna be, what are you gonna do? I did not, not get up in the morning and work out, not get up and go to work. Right. You know, one day, maybe. It's same with you. So what does that look like for you? So you're what, 55? I am.

You look young. That's because you've kept yourself fit and I think you've liked what you were doing. But if you were to look forward and I we set back down in 10 years doing max out old man addition me. Yeah, right? Maxed out or maybe we're still maxing out then if you were to look at it if you're here into the future a little bit What do you think it's probably? I want to hit this thing. I want to max out Hit this thing as hard as I possibly can and then go out like any athlete on my own terms. But I really feel, I mean, look at some guys,

like, you know, look at Pete Carroll. He's operating at a really high age. And Bellicic. And Bellicic. These are not young guys, not. Trump and Sanders are in their 70s. I mean, whether you like either dude, look at their age or Biden, right?

He remember, he was like, I can remember, I hate to say this, but, and by the way, it really pisses me off. I get shit in the mail all the time, like AARP stuff. I'm like, why are you sending that, but by the way, it really pisses me off. I get shit in the mail all the time, like AARP stuff. I'm like, why are you standing back on me? Who, what, why? I don't even see your dating bullshit.

Why is this coming to me? And then I remember I'm 55, you know? You know why? It's a great offense to that, you know? No, but you know why? I'm gonna tell you why. And your dad was sick at that age, my dad's sick now. That's just be real.

We're, we look a little bit different at 55 and 50 years old than our dad's, did we? I was gonna say that, like I remember coming up, like when my grandmother was 65, I'm like, man, she's on the clock. I'm like, I love Dory, but 65 is old, yo. And I'm like, wait a minute, it's not that old. And it's right around the corner,

but I think the world is different. You know, I'm not gonna sit here and say something, she's like 50s and new 40s. But because if you take care of yourself and you put the right things in your body, you put the right things in your mind, and you care, and you work it, and you're disciplined, who's to say you and I can't max out at 65? I don't need to be talking shit and smack at 85,

but there's no reason for me to stop at 55. I'm still motivated by the game and the puzzle. I still wanna win, I still wanna be successful, and by the way, I still wanna have, I wanna make an example for the kids, going right back to what you said. You know, my kids came to me for that radio hall of fame, Sarah Monty,

they don't know me like that. You know, they don't, they had dad does a little radio thing and TV thing, but it was kinda neat, they know, but they're proud of it, they don't, they had dad, there's a little radio thing and TV thing, but it was kinda neat, they know, but they don't, they're proud of it, they don't care if that makes sense. Yeah, I do, like the closest. They got the wrong deal, you know?

Yeah, I relate to that. But the fact that I got on a plane and went to New York and they saw me and there were other luminaries there, and it was fun, it was neat. And I like that they see that I'm grinding still. Yeah, the humility's real, isn't it? Like, you really, doesn't really don't on you

what you've achieved, it seems to me. I think I kind of understand what I've achieved, isn't it? Like you really, doesn't really dawned on you what you've achieved. It seems to me. I think I kind of understand what I've achieved. But the best thing, you know, because I hear the other things I hear, hey, man, you suck. I want to fight you. But the best thing that I hear, I'm really proud of this. Like the people who know, the people who knew me, us way back when are like, dude, he really hasn't changed. Because I always knew that me, I always knew it could go away in a second. I knew it.

And by the way, it could still go away in a second. I'm not being humble when I say this. Once it does, they will move on to the next thing. And I will be forgotten in 30 seconds. I really do believe that, which is why I keep battling. And there are people depending on me. I've got people on my staff that, you know, this is hard, man. Life's hard.

You gotta earn that paycheck every day. Is there an athlete staff that, you know, this is hard, man. Life's hard. You gotta earn that paycheck every day. Is there an athlete just curious, you know, two more things? Is there an athlete that stood out all these years that you've covered, that you've talked to, that, I mean, you've talked to everybody? Yeah. Is there anybody in particular that you want?

That was mind blowing, who that dude, or that woman was, anybody? That's really interesting. You know, for so long, a lot of athletes were my favorite guys ever, ever, ever, ever. It's Charles Barkley. And the reason for that is when I got into the business way back in the idea of TV show with another guy by the name of Wallace Matthews, who was a really prominent golfist. Yeah, I even went from boxing. And Walling and I had a show for Fox Sports Network,

there was way ahead of its time actually. He was in New York, I was in LA, and we would have a point counterpoint. Long before there was any of this debate stuff, he and I were doing it. And one day, he was covering the Knicks, and Charles was still playing. And he was menacing, man, and Charles was a scary guy back then.

And he sees Wallace. He's like, oh, look he's like oh look who's here look who's here where's your partner the village idiot and man that oh that was red meat for me because I was really my element I'm like village idiot huh I'm on the air every day just killing Chuck killing Chuck killing Chuck killing Chuck and it's getting worse and worse and I go to Vegas one time I'm with a buddy of of mine, Don McLean, who was an MBA at the time. You see what I mean? He's UCLA, and Don says to me, you know who we're gonna see.

I said, here we go, it's Chuckles, I go Don. I mean honestly, that's the last guy we wanna see. It's gonna go really badly if we see him. He goes, well believe me, you, we're gonna see him. He's always in Vegas. We get on, we leave the airport, we go right to this famous Italian restaurant called, it's one of those 55-odd AARP moments.

We got a picture on the wall. Yes. I know the place you're talking about. So, Freddie Glussman's place is called, we'll look it up. And I'm not kidding, we're not there five minutes, and I hear this guy go, D-Mac, and I swing around, there's Chuck.

I mean, it was like, right on cue, it was Eerie. And I was, again, younger, probably had a couple in me. And I jump up and I'm like, for some reason I think it in my head, I better stand my ground right now. I'm like, hey, man, let me tell you where you and I went wrong. And he looks at me and he goes, hey, I'm bleeper,

I'll tell you where you and I went wrong. We have a couple of terse moments. And then he looks at me and he goes, she know what, man? He goes, your boys with DMACC, you're good with me. Crystal, all around! Change in a minute. You were golden ever since. That's like one of the best lessons I ever learned in the business.

When you ask me, whoever stuck out, we don't know any of these guys. We do not know what from Instagram, from interviews. Some of the guys who you think are the best guys are really the worst guys. And some of the worst guys are the best guys. We do not know what from Instagram, from interviews. Some of the guys who you think are the best guys are really the worst guys. And some of the worst guys are the best guys. And Charles was like the scariest, most like now he's like fun loving everybody watching. He was menacing then. We were fine ever since. That is awesome story. He's the greatest guys ever ever. Story, bro.

You talk about sports and athletes. He is one of my favorite. That is great. I'm so glad I asked you that. I last question and then we'll find out where to find you too. I want advice to people. So let's take someone back. It's remarkable. Let's just think about it. This guy kind of struggles in radio,

comes out of college, his dream, flakes out, goes to work for his dad. That doesn't work out, goes in the sales, that doesn't work out. If I just said the day that dad fired you, that you're gonna be in the radio hall of fame someday, and have a three, four decade long career, and honestly be the most successful person

at what you do in its history, that's kind of crazy, right? So there are people watching this who are at that stage, though, maybe it's metaphorically, but they're where you were with that. There are people watching this who are at that stage though, maybe it's metaphorically, but there were you were with that. Like they pursued the dream, it didn't quite work, they pursued their business and then bankruptcy, divorce, something's hit, man, it just didn't fly, it didn't connect and maybe they were starting to kind of let go of the rope, you know what I mean?

Like let's just give in, metaphorically, I'm going to throw the jersey on my back and I'm just going to watch the rest of my life. Go away. What would you say to that person who's in that position? I can only go by what I've experienced and what I know, and I wanna be very careful about this. Like I said to my own son, you cannot run my playbook. Like he wants me journalism.

He's more of a political guy than a sports guy, but I'm like, because he's heard all my stories. The ones I've told you today, I said, you can't just run that same playbook and think you have the same results. But I think the universal laws still exist. If you were reading Napoleon Hill, when you got in, he wrote that book in 1902

or whatever it was, and it still resonates. Not to be cheesy, but I really think, what else is there? You should ask yourself, why you? How are you different? What do you have to bring to it?

And until you can really answer that question, I don't think you will have a shot. And even then there's no guarantee, but I really do think that you do have to want it worse, create better habits, follow these rituals and do them consistently. There are no days off. And if you want it badly enough, you will outlast a lot of people. But it can't be lip service and it can't

be BS. And you can't only do it when you feel like doing it. You know what I mean? You got to work through all this shit. And if you want it badly enough, it won't feel like you're working through shit. It'll feel like this is what you're doing who you are. Yeah, very good. I'm 10 million percent agree, especially with the end there about who you are. This fundamentally believe that. This I knew today would be like really, really good, but it like dramatically exceeded my expectations. You're making a mistake, brother. If you don't expand a little bit and talk about these things a little bit more regularly somewhere. I just, I just, I just believe that. I just think that

it's, I told you off camera, what you've achieved is so remarkable. And the fact that you're self aware of what the things were that made you get there makes you very unique. And I think you'd be cheating the world if you don't do, express some of this a little bit more. You know, given, given, what, and I know the Tony Robbins hits you up and said, Hey, you don't do, express some of this a little bit more. Given what, and I know, the Tony Robbins hit you up and said, hey, you gotta do this, whether you want or not, you need to do this. And I've been watching how quickly you put this thing together, right?

So to hear that from you, it's really heartwarming and that motivates me. I've always had in the back of my mind that they probably don't really care. Hell, they may not even care what I have to say about sports. I know they don't care what I have to say about life. But it's been a pretty neat run and it's been a great life and it's fun and this was an absolute blast Really you could I want to meet you for a long time. This has been an absolute blast. Yeah, we're gonna know each other a long time

Yeah, we're gonna be in each other's circle. They lost my number so I don't know I won't lose your number brother. By the way, I don't want them to lose you either so before we leave Where can they find you like everybody else? I'm at GMRome on Twitter, on Instagram, CBS Sports Radio, CBS Sports Network, NFO and CBS multiple times a year. Just grinding away, just doing it. Yeah, and a few of sports fans, the most entertaining and formative show that's ever existed. And that's why I'm such a fan, why I know so much about it, because I listen and then I watch you on TV too. Jim, thanks so much. So, really appreciate you. That was so fun, Ed. Thank you. It was a blast.

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