THE ED MYLETT SHOW - Revolutionary Wellness Through Biohacking w Dave Asprey

Episode Date: December 5, 2023

🔥🧬UNLOCK YOUR SUPERHUMAN SELF and dive into the world of Biohacking! 🧬🔥In this episode we’re revealing how to LIVE LONGER, HEALTHIER and more EFFICIENTLY than ever before even if you’ve tried numerous diets and workout routines in the past and failed!Maybe it's time to shift gears and dive into the world of BIOHACKING.And who better to guide us through this revolutionary journey than DAVE ASPREY, the trailblazing pioneer dubbed THE FATHER OF BIOHACKING?This week, strap in for a mind-blowing masterclass that could redefine everything you thought you knew about boosting mental and physical performance.Dave's not just another health guru; he's a human lab experiment who’s spent two decades and MILLIONS of dollars collaborating with top doctors and researchers. He's cracked the code on tapping into our innate SUPERHUMAN potential.As a four-time New York Times bestseller and the genius behind THE BULLETPROOF DIET, Dave’s not just talking theory; he's living proof of his methods. His latest gem, "SMARTER NOT HARDER: The Biohacker's Guide to Getting the Body and Mind You Want," is packed with insights for those ready to elevate their game.So, what's on the menu for our talk?The MEAT OPERATING SYSTEM and what it means for your body.Why home workouts might trump your gym sessions.The cutting-edge fusion of ROBOTICS and AI in fitness.Debunking myths around INTERVAL TRAINING.Dave’s personal $2 MILLION biohacking adventure.Experimental GENE THERAPY: The future of personal health?Cranking up your HEAT SHOCK PROTEINS with saunas.The real deal on PLANT-BASED diets.Selecting the right FISH for your plate.The undeniable benefits of GRASS-FED BEEF AND LAMB.PSYCHEDELICS and EMDR – more than just buzzwords.The key to unlocking strength, vitality, and longevity isn't just about hitting the gym or counting calories. It's about feeding your body the exact nutrients it craves.Dave Asprey has done the heavy lifting in this field. Now, it's your turn to take a seat at the table of wellness and take those smart, informed steps toward your health and longevity.

This is the Ed Milage Show. Welcome back to the show everybody. I wanted to pick this man's big brain for a very long time. It doesn't really need an introduction. All of you know who he is. I guess I just call him the King of Biohacking, the King of Changing You and doing it in ways that are tactical strategies that you can implement very, very quickly.

In many cases, and other ones, it'll take you a little bit of time to put in place, but all of them will make a positive impact on your life. He's also four times New York Times best-selling author. He's got a new book out that I love called Smarter, Not Harder, The Biohackers Guide to getting the body in mind you want. Really grateful, Dave Asprey, joining the show. Your book is so good. As is all your work. I've been down to the lab and LA and been there many times back in the past. But there's a whole bunch of things in the book that I

want to get into, but I just want to get into value because I want them to get the book. So I don't give away the whole book. But there's stuff in there I never heard before. So let's just start with things they're going to remember that are kind of foundational things to your new work. What is meat OS? What is the meat operating system? All right, your body is made out of meat. And that means that there's an operating system that keeps your body alive like you're not in there. And it decides what's going on in reality. And it has about a third of a second to decide what's happening. And then it gives you a tiny slice of what it senses. And you believe that's reality.

It'll give you a feeling. And it'll give you a picture or a sound. But it's already filtered by your biology. So that's a part of your system that might be throwing out useful things in the world around you or sending you false signals. In terms of you can trick that operating system so that you can have more control

over what your body does. Instead of using willpower to force it, you can trick the operating system into doing what you want. It's the way a hacker works on things. How does one do that? Give us one of the ways they can do that. One of the most important things

is that your body is really dumb, but it's really fast. So if a tiger jumps out, you don't think about it and go, oh, there's a tiger. I think I should jump because you'd be dead. You just automatically move and then you take credit for moving and say, good thing I move so fast, except you didn't really do it. So if it's really fast and really dumb, the dumb part is what you use. So the operating system is designed to save energy all the time, which means that it is wired to be lazy. So if there's a way to use a tiny,

billless energy, it's going to look less attractive. That means if you have a choice of going to the gym or a couch with a cheesecake, the couch and the cheesecake are going to look really seductive. And the gym is going to look really hard. In reality, it's not that hard, but it feels really hard and you believe the feeling. That's your body trying to trick you into saving energy. And then most of us, oh, I'm so lazy. I don't know why I don't want to go to the gym and you think something's wrong with you. No, that's because your operating system is working right. So what you can do, given that you know, your hardware is motivated by saving

energy instead of saying, I'm going to go to the gym. That's never going to motivate your hardware. You say, I'm going to save energy by not doing the gym the way I did before. So in the book, in Smarter Not Harder, I talk about dozens of different ways that you can get much better results than what you normally get in the gym. So instead of saying, I'm going to go to a spin class for an hour, you say, I'm going to do five minutes of exercise without sweating, and I'm going to get six times better results.

And then I'm going to save 55 minutes of suffering. The body's motivated by saving suffering. It's not motivated by working hard. So stop motivating yourself with working hard. Start motivating yourself with saving time and energy because that's what your hardware wants. Then it'll feel good and then it'll make you want to go do it instead of making use willpower to force yourself

to go to the gym. So when you said that in the book, I'm like, I gotta validate this. I'm not sure, right? So just straight up. And now I am a believer. And so, oh wow, cool. Well, I'll tell you what, by the way, I train really hard in the book, I'm like, I gotta validate this. I'm not sure, right? So just straight up. And now I am a believer. And so, oh wow, cool. Well, I'll tell you what,

by the way, I train really hard in the gym. One of the things I've learned though, frankly, is dangerous to say, but I'm just gonna agree with you. Over the last several years, I've gotten a whole lot more benefit out of doing less than the gym. And doing some of the things that are actually in the book, I just literally have people go, man,

you must just be three hours in the gym. I'm like, no, I used to be, but I'm really not anymore. I'm a lot more strategic with what I do in the gym. And in the book, you actually say every cell in your body is programmed to do as little as possible. I wanna lay the foundation for it, then we'll talk about a couple of the strategies in it. I'll probably mispronounce some things,

but I know what they mean to me when I say it, so that's what matters most. Proprioroceptors in the body. Correct me if I said it wrong, but these are actually something that connects, that's what's actually tricking you. Correct me. It's trying to get you to shut down. That's a part of what's tricking you. So your proprioceptors are the parts of your, we'll call it your body, your nervous system that are sensing where you are in space. So if you ever played like virtual reality and you reach your hand out and you see the hand floating there,

it's kind of ghostly, that's an idea of the computer knowing where your hand is in space and showing it to you. But your hand knows where it is. That's how you say catch a baseball. You don't think about it and do math in your head. Your hand actually knows where it is and your hand predicts where the ball is going to be

and does it. It's fascinating. So that's why you guys like Bruce Lee, they move so fast and you see an MMA fighter when they strike faster than you could think. I mentioned that third of a second lag. They've already punched you three times in a third of a second. So, something automatic is going on in there. But the proprioceptors, they're afraid of injury.

So, they're deciding when you pick up a, say, a dumbbell and you wobble it a little bit. We all know it feels a little heavier when it wobbles, right? And if you toss it up in the air and caught it, it'd be really heavy. Well, the proprioceptors are automatically saying, well, I know that if you wobble that is going to weigh a lot more. So if you have a 35-pound dumbbell and you're trying to curl it, your body is going to tell you, you can't curl it because it knows that it'll get heavier under gravity and then you might get hurt. And it's job is to make sure you don't get hurt. So it tells you you can't and it says you can't by sending you signals of weakness or of pain, even when it's not injuring you. And it's holding back at least

half your power. And this is why you see moms picking cars up off their kids and stuff like that. That's your real power, right? And you don't recruit it because you could get injured, but there's technologies and techniques that are in the book that allow you to really load the muscle much more quickly. And when you load the muscle quickly or differently, the appropriate sectors get confused and they allow you to put a lot more energy out through the muscle, which causes you to grow much more quickly. Can you give us one of those,

and I'm gonna ask you about re-hit in a minute, but give us one of those strategies. Sure, well, one of the more aggressive strategies is something called electro-muscle stimulation, or maybe my favorite is, we call the cheat machine. So upgrade labs is the place you mentioned in LA. We're opening 17 of those across North America right now and it's a franchise.

You get to own and upgradelabs.com and people are opening them all over the place. One of our pieces of tech for biohacking is an AI driven machine from putting on muscle. So instead of fighting against gravity, you know, you'd be, you know, normally picking up a dumbbell and when you're at the top of the top of the motion, it's not that heavy and all the problems with free weights, which do work, but what this does is you're

fighting against a robot and it's measuring your strength output and you cannot win no matter what you do and it's moving at a constant speed. So your proprioceptors are going, wait, there's no gravity here, it's just always moving. So the whole time, even way back here, you're like straining and struggling, right? And it just blows you out. We had a Mark Bell is one of the top five power left lifters on Earth come and he did five reps on the things like, what did you just do to my chest? Really? And it is one of those things where you'll put muscle on three to five times faster when you can fully exhaust the muscles and maybe eight reps max. And then they're blown out.

There's no more glycogen. You're exhausted. So that was full on exhaustion and almost no time. And then the trick after that is recover really quickly. And then the body goes up. I got enough minerals. I have enough protein. I have enough energy.

And I'm safe. Right. Therefore, I'm just going to put the muscle on. And it's different though. If you just say, well, that was my first set, I'm going to just do 40 more sets because I'm tough. That body's like, I don't know if another set's coming, but I'm going to hold back. And then it doesn't recover as quickly because it's over-trained. This is crazy to me. By the way, he calls that process in the book. I think this overall strategy re-hit, reduced exertion, high intensity training. book, I think this overall strategy, re-hit, reduced exertion, high intensity training. And one of them that I do that you recommend, because I don't like sitting on a treadmill

for 47 minutes or whatever it is, and I do, I do interval training. And so you talk about that in the book. Why, and by the way, more and more I'm hearing my heart doctor, by the way, Dave, is who actually recommended me doing interval training. That's cool. That was actual reason I did it. It wasn't to save time or that I hated doing long cardio because I do hate doing long

cardio. I mean, too. But talk a little bit about interval training and why that works. Like, what's the mechanism at work and do you, is that all you do in terms of cardio now is interval? I don't even do intervals. I do reduce exertion intervals. It's less than intervals.

And I'll explain the difference. I don't want to hear this. So what I used to do when I weighed three inner pounds and I went to the gym 90 minutes today, six days a week, religiously, for 18 months and never lost any weight, I'd get on the treadmill and I put it at an angle and I put on a weighted pack. I couldn't run because of my knees jacked up. But I'd go as fast as I could walk, you know, five, six miles an hour. And you go up a hill, down a hill up a hill.

Well, that's what most people do. You go to spin class, someone yells at you with their playing, tiff, whatever Taylor Swift. And, you know, you're in there and you're standing on the pedals because I was going to make fun of you if you don't. And it sucks. Okay. But working hard gets results for cardio. We've all heard that. So if you do that five

days a week, you're going to improve after two months. You'll provide 2% in your VO2 max. So that's a lot of time. So about 10 years ago, I started recommending high intensity interval training, which everyone's talked about now. And that takes a lot of time. It's going to take like 15 minutes. You go for a minute of sprinting as hard as you can. Then you walk, then you sprint, then you walk, then you walk, you just do it at five, 10 times. And you know, you're blown out, but you got better than you would have from the spin class. And you're going to probably be really tired when you're done. But okay, just better results, 15 minutes. Well, with reduced exertion high intensity interval training, again, this is something that we're doing at upgrade labs.

And it's driven by an artificial intelligence powered bike. And what it does is you get on there and you could do this in a park. If you want to, you're just going to look stupid. So what you, what you do is you walk real slowly, like so slowly, it's annoying, like, like, kind of like you've eaten too many adibles. So you're just kind of just stro've eaten too many out of the balls. So you're just kind of just strolling like the slowest you could do. And you'll feel right in and Santa Monica don't worry.

But you do that. And then you pull out sprint like you're going to die for 20 seconds. It's easier on the AI bike because you can put like a harder pedaling, but you need to be full on for 20 seconds. And by the end of that 20 seconds, you should feel like you can't do anymore. Maybe you need to have a weighted pack or a weighted vest on to do that. Okay. And then here's where it gets even worse. Then you lay on your back and you do deep breathing exercises through through your nose. The goal is to lower your heart rate as quickly as possible.

Right. And then you walk again real slowly. And then you do another 20 second sprint and you land your back and return your heart rate down as fast as you can. It doesn't have to go all the way back down, but you wanted to drop substantially. And then you're done. So now you're going to look stupid if you do in public. That's why we have the artificial intelligence bike thing, but the results, 12% improvement in your VO2 max.

Six times better results if you do that three times a week. So you brush your teeth for 15 minutes a week. We just got you six times more cardio in the amount of time it takes you to brush your teeth. Versus going to a spin class or doing 45 minutes on a treadmill every day. What about heart health, though? Do you still think somebody should be doing longer term cardio or what we called traditional

interval training? No, two maxes a very strong indicator of heart and lung health. So if your VO2 max goes up, your heart is healthier. In fact, it's a major marker of longevity. That's a 12% improvement is equal to about two years of additional life expectancy. So it turns out, what's it turned out? Tell me what it turns out, please.

It turns out that chronic cardio, those long spin classes, long runs, they train your heart to beat faster and to put out less blood. So you have a lower ejection fraction. But the people who have the healthiest hearts and live the longest have a very big ejection fraction. If you do the kind of reheat training that I talk about in the book, you'll have a very large ejection fraction and you'll have a healthier heart

and you'll just be a more powerful person. So the work is really interesting to me. And first off, the latter we were just talking about is something I never heard before. But also, and maybe I've just been behind, but also you said breathing earlier. And so I do a lot of breath work, like I know you do, you and I have been to events together

where we've worked on breath work, right? But actually there's other breath in the book that you talk about that I wasn't aware of and I wanna talk about this, which is this idea of hypoxia and also that angiogenesis can be promoted by just holding your breath. So you're actually creating blood vessels when you're actually restricting your breathing.

Is that, help us understand that? To me, this is new stuff, at least for me. You can trigger angiogenesis by reducing oxygen levels. It doesn't even have to be by holding your breath. There are various technologies out there that do something called hypoxic training, even things you can just buy to do it at home. And then your breathing error

that's how the oxygen scrubbed out. And when you do that, your blood oxygen levels drop for a brief period and then you bring them back up. And this can make you get acclimated to 15,000 feet elevation. The people who figured this out were not Indian mystics that I'm aware of. It was actually Russia. It was the military back in the 50s.

They realized it was expensive to pressurize their fighter jets. And they said, you know, it will be cheaper to pressurize the pilots. So they made the pilots do this weird breath scrubbing thing that they invented so that the pilots just wouldn't run out of air at 15,000 feet. And they can make airplanes that didn't have to be sealed. And it saved them a ton of money. And then this is where the physiology research on this started. And so yeah, there's amazing stuff that can happen. And if you do things like holotropic breathing, which is a type of breathing that makes you hypoxic and you start actually tripping like you're on acid, I did a podcast a while ago with a guy who invented it who was 94 at the time,

named Stan Groff. And he used LSD in practice legally until it was illegal, then he replaced it with breathwork. So that kind of breathwork will also trigger angiogenesis, at least we believe it does, but it's a lot of work to do that. Well, what about, I was surprised in the book. By the way, we're going through a lot and I'm grateful that you're willing to share so much on a podcast just so you all know as much as we're covering here, like bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, the book's so vast that we're not even going to scratch so much on a podcast, just so you all know, as much as we're covering here, like bang, bang, bang, bang, the books so vast that we're not even going to scratch the surface on this stuff.

So get the book. Okay. It's just true. It's actually really true. It's called smarter, not harder. Yep. Smarter, not harder, everybody. And you can tell that's one of your, your, his obsessions.

By the way, is it true? You spent a couple million dollars already by all hacking your own body. Is that a true set? Oh, yeah. I spent, actually, this point a little more than $2 million. Now, I want to be really clear, there's a guy, Brian Johnson, who's a friend. He's been $2 million a year, and that's not in my pay grade yet,

maybe someday, but over the last 20 years, I've spent more than $2 million. And I'm more than a decade younger biologically than my age. And I just did a new thing actually yesterday morning that should take another nine years off my biological age, a new kind of gene therapy. How about to do a show on that? Okay, well, you're going to give us a little preview here. What did you do?

Give us something. You know, I injected an experimental gene therapy that increases levels of one of the things your body needs as you age. Oh, bro. Have you ever done any of this stuff, like even the peptides, the experimental stuff when you were doing it, that you worry, like, am I, did I just give myself a stroke? Or do you not? There's been a few times where I've been a little bit nervous. One of the early biohacks.

I talk about using light in the book as a get to get a signal into your operating system. Yes. I thought the very first brain stimulator ever made for with infrared light. And it was a guy sold it on Yahoo groups for a hundred bucks. It was not a medical device. And I held it over my left ear where there's the spot that processes language in your brain. Because I still do this day.

I can't understand French. It sounds like just a bunch of gobbled marbles. I can't even say a word back that I hear in French. It's my brain won't do it. And if you're from France, sorry, I tried. So anyway, I held this thing up and I stimulated that part of my brain. And then for the next four or five hours, I spoke in garbled words. I make my money on stage even before the bulletproof stuff.

I worked at I would do keynotes in the tech industry. I mean, if I can't speak, I'm screwed here, but my brain recovered. And I still can't hear French, but I try. Okay. I, uh, you know, it's the thing I think I noticed about you when we were together too and I speak to Maybe I misread it, but tell me I'm extremely introverted So it's interesting watching you right now. This is nothing to do with the book. It has to do just a personal anecdote I'm watching you right now very expressive

Craguerreous very Appearing to be you know somebody who somebody who loves attention. But yet, when we were, we were together, it doesn't even matter where we were. I'm not gonna go through that with everybody, but I'm super quiet and introverted, and you appeared to be that way to me as well. Are you, and do you turn it on when you're on stage?

Do you turn it on when you're expressing something you're passionate about, but in your everyday life, you're, I'd almost call me socially awkward to be honest with you. There's something called extroverted introvert, where your core is introverted, but during certain activities or times you're extroverted, that's probably most accurate. I love teaching and I love educating and I love sharing stuff I'm passionate about. And I've been on Tony Robbins stage, I've spoken thousands of times,

and you have as well, right? So for me, that's really energizing. I go into a flow state. In fact, a lot of people do it. They're not terrified on stage, they'll go into a flow state. So when I go up there, sometimes, I mean, I've been trained in all the ways to prepare, the things you're supposed to do. Sometimes I know I'm best if I just go on stage, and I just, you can say channel, I do not really like channeling, you know, some kind of angel or something. But what I'm doing is I'm just allowing my brain to do what it wants to do.

And I always know what to say and you know, get a standing ovation because I feel like I'm reading the audience. And I'm just kind of a conduit for the knowledge and information that I've had. And I care about this so much because I was 300 pounds, you know, I had arthritis in my knee since I was 14. I had brain fog and chronic fatigue syndrome and all this crap wrong with me.

And it was all unnecessary. And there's no reason I should have spent about a half a million dollars getting myself. Well, the rest of it was just for fun to see how many stem cells I could put in different places and all the anti-aging and longevity and brain hacking. So that's just for fun. Some people buy a sports car and make it track ready. I'm like, I'm going to make my brain track ready. That's just for fun. Some people buy a sports car and make it track ready. I'm like, I'm gonna make my brain track ready. I'm just a nerd.

No, I love that you're a nerd because you're actually changing so many other people's lives. There needs to be some really articulate nerds out there doing this work in this research. And by the way, so some extent using their own bodies is the experiment like what you have before. You said brain fog, which is where I wanted to go.

I've started to use a neurofeedback device. And which one? Is it the Vendy? The Mendy? Mendy. So neurofeedback is using electricity coming from the brain. And that's something that I do at 40 years of Zen, which is my high end brain training thing for CES

up in Seattle. People come in just in five days. There's neuroscientists, and we're actually like electrodes coming out and measuring what Mendy does, which is brilliant, is you put on your forehead, and it shines a bright LED in your forehead, and it measures blood in the prefrontal cortex.

And if you just play the game on your phone, it'll teach your brain to move more blood to the front of your brain. If you have ADHD, it's a lack of blood in the front of the brain. I know I have ADHD, at least I did. I don't know. Most of the time I don't qualify as having it anymore, but I did a lot of training with this kind of technology about 10 years ago. So with Mendy, every about 10, 15 minutes of playing the game, it increases your score on something called Tova, which is the gold standard for measuring ADHD.

And so you're playing a game, it's actually kind of fun, and it's a weird kind of concentrating. So that's an entry-level way of improving your focus in your brain, and it's definitely something I wrote about in the book, right? The reason that I started using it, by the way, is that I've, you know, forced it to work with a lot of athletes and a couple of the NFL quarterbacks

that I've been asked to work with use the device that used between games. So I was, I was fascinated by that. What about this notion of, we seem basic to me, but you like it for different reasons, which is SON-As. So I've always taken SON-As, but I did, did it to like, sweat stuff out. That's why I've always done it. But you actually list it in the book. Why do you believe in sonas?

Well, normal sonas and infrared sonas will both increase something called heat shock proteins, which is the same thing that excercise does. They raise your heart rate, they improve blood flow. So if you wanted to sit in the sauna on the phone with your stockbroker or your boss, just make sure the camera's off and you'll probably be fine, but you're going to get the benefits of, at least a lot of the benefits of exercise. You're not going to get the flexibility and the movement of the brain and all, but in terms of cardiovascular benefits and longevity benefits, the evidence is overwhelming that sauna is one of the preeminent longevity tools. But I use an infrared sauna because in addition

to the normal stuff that a sauna does, it causes about 95% more toxins and heavy metals to be excreted from your body. So if you're really looking to sweat, a normal, like a hot dry sauna or a steam sauna, you'll sweat a lot, but the toxins aren't in the sweat. It's just water and salt. When you do an infrared sauna,

your sweat smells really bad. And that's where the mercury and lad You'll sweat a lot, but the toxins aren't in the sweat. It's just water and salt. When you do an infrared sauna, your sweat smells really bad. And that's where the mercury and lead and other toxins are coming out. So I'm happy to do both of them. Okay, man, it's like you're like reading my notes here. So these are like some of the external things you do. Then there's this stuff you're putting in your body.

I'll surprise that you covered so much of that in the book. And so this is stuff're putting in your body. I'll surprise that you covered so much of that in the book. And so this is stuff you put in your body. We're gonna talk about now that you talked about. And obviously you know where I'm gonna go with this because I read the book and they're gonna have to get the book to get all of it, but the anti-nutrients in your body. Yeah.

You know, this is something that needs to be a much bigger conversation in sports and I gotta shut out to Tom, who figured this out early on. He doesn't do nightchades, I don't do nightchades. But a lot of people have heard about lectins. I wrote about them in the bulletproof diet. People lost a couple of million pounds on the bulletproof diet. And Dr. Gundry's covered lectins extensively.

So some plants, a lot of grains, have the ability to inflame you with lectins, but that's an immune thing. Another group of things, especially things that athletes, for some reason, have been told to take, have very high amounts of a compound called oxalic acid. I'm talking about beets, spinach, kale, even red raspberries have huge amounts of it. And so if you're concentrating your spinach and kale smoothie and you're making with almond milk, almonds are also high, then you do that or if you're on a plant-based diet number one, stop.

But number number two, I was a vegan, I was a raw vegan too. And I started getting this pain throughout my body and just all this weird autoimmunity. You're getting tiny razor sharp crystals of oxalic acid. It's 70% of kidney stones are caused by plants. The arterial calcification that you're getting is oxalic acid in your arteries. A lot of that joint pain and muscle pain and nerve pain.

It's oxalic acid forming tiny crystals on the myelin lining of your sheath. I got this. You wake up, you have sore joints in the morning, that old injury hurts. It's because calcium deposits wherever you have the injury. If you don't eat the foods that contain oxalic acid, it doesn't hurt in the morning. So I just had reconstructive surgery on the big toe on my right foot from an old yoga injury. And if I were to eat high oxalic acid foods like a box of raspberries and a bowl of spinach salad the next day, I feel

like that joint won't move at all. But if I eat properly, I have no pain in it anymore, right? And over time, my body's actually shedding all of that stuff that built up. And this is why people say, oh, I'm going to go plant-based. I've never felt better. Yeah, they're filling their tissues up slowly with this toxin. And this toxin's well understood going back more than 100 years. The beginning dose that can cause a kidney stone is 5 grams. And a spinach kale smoothie can have 1.2 grams in it.

These are much higher. We should have about 200 milligrams of oxalic acid a day. So, I talk about this because not only does it cause pain, it steals calcium and it steals minerals from your bodies so you can't absorb them. So, if you avoid that, you'll be happy. But the thing that's really sneaky, that's in a lot of these plant-based foods,

even the foods that some of us, we think they're really healthy, like whole grains and nuts and seeds, they're full of phytic acid. Now phytic acid, you're not going to feel the pain like you do with oxalic acid, but what you are going to do is you're going to lose your minerals. So plants can't run away from us. So to stop us from eating them, they cover themselves with phytic acid, which means that if you eat too many of those plants,

all of the minerals in your bones get leached out and then you have weak bones and you can't reproduce. So that's their way of stopping us from eating them. Well, when you're eating things like cornflakes and rice cakes and all of these nuts and seeds and grains, well, you're getting huge doses of this. And is it any wonder that you're tired all the time? Because if you don't have enough minerals, your cells, you can work out all you want, you can meditate all you want.

You give your body a signal to change. It says, I needed manganese and zinc. And you dumbass, you just ate three bowls of oatmeal. And I don't have any manganese and zinc right now. So I'm not going to change. And then you just feel anxious and you probably fart a lot because vegans fart seven times more than non-vegans. And we need to address global warming from the vegan diet.

I'm not gonna say. Ha! Is that a real stat? Vegan sports? Yes, that's a real stat. There's a pub med study supporting that. Who is studying this stuff? And anyone who's dated a vegan knows it's true.

Oh my gosh, man, you're killing me. I said that I was a devout vegan for like 18 months. It wrecked my health. It took me a couple of years to get it back. Oh my gosh. By the way, I can already feel like all the emails you're gonna receive when this thing comes out, so don't send me out.

I say it with respect and love. Like I don't want anyone to hurt themselves. No, I raise my own animals. We're gonna be nice to the animals, but yeah, eating fake meat is not a good idea for humanity. No, by the way, there's no doubt when you said you dumbass that we all knew you meant it with love. I knew that. I felt it when you said it. So one thing you're all in on though, which you referenced here is minerals. Like, yeah, I was just like, I have like, I don't know, I felt like I was going to old school in the same

time like being educated about right now. So talk a little bit about minerals because you might as well do them together. You talk about how these essential four vitamins basically like you better start OD-ing on these, which there's no such thing, and minerals at the same time. This is almost like it says almost old school, but having taken every kind of smart drug there is on the planet, every sexy new trope, like I formulated lots of things, it's a passion for 20 plus years. I just realized I wasn't doing this right. So I went back and if you are going to spend money on the expensive stuff, you got to have a foundation. It's like, I got the best siding for my house, but I just built it on a pile of rocks. It's not going to last for a long. So the foundation of your body is minerals. And there's really four fat soluble vitamins that drive minerals. And then there's a bunch of minerals to need. So I'll walk

you through it. Vitamin Dake. You go to vitamin d a k e dot com. And vitamin Dake is a combination of vitamin D, real vitamin D, vitamin A, real vitamin A from animals, not beta-carotene. It does not work. Vitamin K2, which comes from almost exclusively animal foods, and then a special form of vitamin E. If you have those things, those improve your performance, they make your body healthier, but they also tell the minerals where to go go so they end up in the right place. And on the same site on vitamindake.com, you'll find that there's a cell phone called Minerals 101.

This is broad spectrum macro minerals. So before you take anything, even like your B vitamins, which are important, you can get those from liver if you want to, from liver pills. But start with vitamin Dake. It's designed to be about $22 a month for the average normal person's dose. It's not expensive. And then minerals 101 is three pills just to get

enough minerals, by the way. So now you're at four pills a day, but that's going to do so much more for you than some kind of fancy ashwaganda. And we can talk about ashwaganda later if you want to because there's a there's a dark side to that one.

Okay. So after you get those, then you have trace and ultra trace minerals. And your bones have about 64 different minerals and then they're not just calcium. So to do that, I put those minerals in danger coffee. This is my new coffee company after bulletproof. It's called danger coffee. Go to dangercoffee.com. And when you brew the coffee, it's got a large dose of trace minerals in it. So you drink the coffee, it's got the electrolytes, it tastes like the best coffee ever.

And your body loves it because your sensors in the operating system, they can feel the minerals. And it just tells you to drink more. It just feels good and it tastes really good. So you could also get trace minerals supplements, but I just find I'm going to do it every morning. If it's in my coffee automatically when I brew it. And that's become a really a really popular product and again with athletes and you know CEOs and people like that They just want their brain to work and their bodies to work. That's That's why they're doing it. So that combination gets gets everything in there and from there you can take your you know

Neutropics and things I take 150 pills a day, but those are the first four I take Okay, this is so good. are the first four I take. Okay, this is so good. By the way, I love having you on me because there's just tangible value on every answer. It's all thanks man. No, it's just true, there's no fluff. Let's go there for a second on food and then I want to move to what we were just talking about.

So you don't like the green stuff, you don't like the nuts, you actually, I'll eat a rugula, I'll let us. I just don't eat kale and spinach or charred or beets. You also, you also don't love a lot of fish. So what, we talk about fish and then what the heck should we be eating them? All right. So fish is generally good for you, but not if it's farmed. Farmed fish is some of the most polluted food on the planet. So you can't, you just can't do that as a regular source of protein. Some people say, well, I was vegan. I don't know why I thought it made me a, like, maybe a better person than someone else, but then they realize it was

making them sick. So then they say, well, I still don't identify as a vegan, but not be one. So I'm going to eat fish. And then, well, you can't get enough protein from fish. Fish is very watery. If you're going to get the amount of protein you need, which is one gram of animal protein per pound of body weight. Okay. Are we 200 pounds? You know what's 200 grams of fish?

To get, like, that's, that's more than 200 grams of fish. That's 200 grams of protein from fish. It's going to be like a pound or two, depending on the type of fish. It's going to be very expensive. And then I'm going to get all the mercury and all the microplastics that on the type of fish. It's gonna be very expensive. And then I'm gonna get all the mercury and all the microplastics that are now present in fish. So I recommend Sock Eye Salmon or Wild-Cot Fish,

a smaller fish. And I would do that once or twice a week. Have some sushi. But doing it every day as your primary protein source that you will be protein deficient, you will be hungry all the time and you won't have very many muscles. Okay, so should I be eating red meat?

Yes, grass fed, beef and lamb, are the most nutritious, most important food sources for human beings. If you can't get those, the other proteins that work but are less beneficial, but still better than any plant protein would be chicken. And you want lean chicken because chicken fat is pretty much similar to soybean oil and canola oil.

It's not very compatible with our body. And then pork. And pork is unfortunately poorly treated and poorly fed. But if you can get good pastored pork, pork protein is okay. It's not as good as beef protein. So if you were to say, well, I'm going to do what Dave suggested. I'm going to figure out how much meat I need to get to get 200 grams, so I've kind of meet you want. You can buy it online from a local rancher and they'll send it to you frozen, put it in your freezer, or you can buy the brown stuff. You go to most grocery stores

and have grass fed ground. It is more expensive, but it's not that much more expensive. And if you're on a tight, tight budget, okay, that's the only way to get a protein. So, I think that's the only way to get a protein. So, I think that's the only way to get a protein. So, I think that's the only way to get a protein. So, I think that's the only way to get a protein. So, I think that's the only way to get a protein. So, I think that's the only way to get a protein.

So, I think that's the only way to get a little bit of protein. Like, no, that's not a protein food. Nuts are not a source of protein. There are a source of fat and carbs and trace amounts of protein. So the fact that some vegan activists influence big food companies to tell you it was healthy, it doesn't change reality. Dude, this is so good.

And by the way, I feel a little bit better about how I've been eating for a long time too. And I'm serious, it may explain my strength in vitality and energy level. Look at your chest, man. Same thing. I'm about 6.8% body fat right now. Okay, I gotta tell you. I'm never hungry.

I'm doing 20 minutes a week of the exercise that's in that thing. I'm not as big as you in the shoulders, but I'm plenty muscular. It's ridiculous. I'll compliment you. You said that about me. I'm gonna tell you, when we met at that thing we were at together, I was struck by that because I don't think on camera, you look that way.

Number one, he's a big man, right? He's a big dude. And he's... I think I'm like reasonably built. You are. You're a big, he's big and lean and strong in person. He really is. And he's also got very nice hair.

So, and I was gonna ask you there, I'm like, what are you doing for your hair? Cause you looked right, but I was gonna tell you something. It's, the evidence is sort of when we all get over whatever it is, 45 or 50 years old, this stuff starts really showing up. Yeah.

And I feel it, and I, I gotta tell you, I compare like, and I've done some things with peptides and other things as well that I know you have. But I gotta tell you, these things actually work. Like some of us have become pretty good evidence of the fact that we're like evidentiary studies of a lot of these things that Dave's talking about. But even for me in the book, there were things that there's things I've never done so I want to ask you about. I'm afraid of them. I'm going to be honest with you. You started to go there for a minute.

You've, I think you've done, like, tell me about psychedelics. Just this is just like me and you now, right? Tell me about ayahuasca, psychedelics, these other things, because I've also had friends of mine say, hey man, I had a dark experience. And I'm not, you know, you had a crazy upbringing, my let. I'm not sure. So I've sort of like anything like exogenous,

I'm putting in me, I'm always really afraid of, right? And like that stuff, be honest with you, I'm putting in me, I'm always really afraid of, right? And like that stuff, be honest with you, I'm incredibly curious. And when I say with this with my like, really, I don't know, modern friends, whatever you wanna call them, they're like, bro, you haven't done any of this yet, what's wrong with you?

You're like a cutting edge guy, you've got access to this stuff. Why haven't you tried? And so I'm frankly, I'll tell you why, I'm somewhat afraid. And I'm somewhat afraid of what it could be. So talk to us about it. Respect for calling that that way, it's actually justified.

Right now, people have fetishized things like ayahuasca. And I've written about this in a couple of my books. In 1999, I went down to Peru. I sought out a shaman, and I said, I want to do ayahuasca. This was before anyone could spell it. And I went there, and they looked at me and they said, you're white. I said, yeah, I noticed,

but I've done my research. I'm coming here to find that. And so eventually they agreed to do it for me, even though it was only for locals. And I had a beneficial energetic experience. I get it was big. And I was very well protected by a person who had trained in the jungle for many years.

And you fast forward now, and you have a lot of people who've done ayahuasca five times, and they think they're a shaman, and they're serving it without adequate training. And I think that is the most dangerous of the psychedelics that you could do. I've done it twice in my life, both with exception while qualified people.

So people do have very dark experiences, not always. People have wonderful transcendent life-changing experiences too, but you want to make sure that that's what you're going to get instead of the dark stuff. And so what I recommend for people who have never done psychedelics is that you put iOS at the very end of your list. And before you do psychedelics, you should go to a therapist and do something called EMDR. And EMDR is a type of trauma release work that's very, very fast.

And that'll actually strangely feel a bit psychedelic when you do it, right? But you'll drop a lot of the heavy stuff that could have been an issue. And after you've done that, you should learn breath work, like holotropic breath work, which is very similar to taking acid or maybe kind of I wask,

but I wask has a certain vibe to it. And then if those still didn't get you there, then you should learn either Tantra or Contra's King, because a good orgasm with a conscious partner will put you in an altered state. 20% of people say they've met God from coming. Yep. And that's in the book, isn't it? I think you say something like that in the book. Yeah.

Yeah. And I don't like going to a lot of detail on that. But look, if you're looking for a way to open your operating system, which is all these due to look inside it, what's really going on, it's trippy in there. But these are ways without drugs to get in there. And after that, there's neurofeedback. My 40 years of Zen place in Seattle, someone just got out of there and said, this is the best plant-based journey I've ever done without the plants because they were tripping on just their own brain waves. There's no medicines at all. Right? So, these are states you can get into with advanced meditation. It just takes many years and most of us don't have the years and the time. So, the goal of smarter and harder is how do you get

there faster? Those are all ways to do it. And then if that's not enough, your best bet is probably MDMA after that or better yet, MDA, which is less ampy and more heart-opening. And you can do that with a therapist now in some places. And after that, you get into things like mushrooms. And after mushrooms, you would look at something like LSD and after LSD, you do DMT. And if you still haven't found it, find someone with feathers in their hair who trained with the Shippeebo people in the jungle for at least eight years and do Iowaska.

And do it once or twice. There's, I always feel bad. I hear guys like Aubrey Marcus is like, I'm doing it. I was like 87 times. I'm like, when do you notice it's not working? You shouldn't be doing this 87 times unless you are in shamanic training. This is an occasional use, like once every six months, to really go deep with yourself and then process for months and meditate on it and journal on it and to

work with facilitators and work with spiritual people on understanding the real nature of your own reality and on healing old traumas and turning on superpowers. So I feel like we're disrespecting the ancient practices. And I am, I've been through shamanic training, I'm not a full shaman, but from what I've seen and what I understand and what I've learned, I don't think some of those plant medicines are very happy with the way we're treating them either, so I tend to treat them with respect. I'm fine with the chemicals, they don't care. LSD doesn't care what you do to it, but I wasca in mushrooms do care. Is there any, let me ask you one more thing about my fears, by the way, that was a big answer. Does any of that lead, okay, please forgive me, because I think I know what you're going

to say, but I'm asking questions for those of us that, you know, I've never gone anywhere near this stuff, okay? Is any of that a gateway to anything bad? Like do you start going, now I need all these chemicals all the time. I'm going to start vaping weed seven times a a day or I need some other hallucinogenic. Or like I'll be honest with you, I play with a guy I went and I played golf once and a while with a guy who went and did his Iowasca thing. He's gone, you know, a couple of times. And now like he used to smoke a vape pen when we I smoked my cigar, he'd smoke a vape

pen and there was a little weed in there every time we play and we would joke about like 15 years ago it was funny now like it's like normal right but back then it wasn't. Now though like he's on mushrooms when we play golf and it's like almost like a daily thing he does he microdoses and but then he'll take like actual mushrooms when we're golfing. So I've always wondered like is there the potential that like slip into this chemical abyss or is that like non starter they don, they're not correlated at all? LSD is one that's not very addictive. That's one of those very little evidence of addiction.

But there are people who use any psychedelic as a way to escape and disassociate. By the way, I didn't mention ketamine in my list. ketamine is a very potent way, and you could do that very safely at a clinic to do ketamine. That's a maybe should be their right, they there around the MDMA level in my answer. Just because it's so well understood and it's legal, so you know you're getting, there's no fentanyl and none of that stuff to deal with.

So when it comes to things like mushrooms, I'm an investor in Paul Stamens' company that's using psychedelic mushrooms, plus Lyons main, plus Lyons and to regrow the entire brain. It's a profound thing, and especially for professional athletes, right? Do that and then do some neurofeedback, and you can do amazing things with a brain injury. I've had a couple good brain injuries. And I'll tell you, those protocols along with hyperbarracant stuff, they work really,

really well. What if I just want to start with horizon gazing? Come and do that. You can certainly start out with that. I mean, that'll work. It's not going to make a trip. It's probably not going to get you inside your operating system, but it will increase your power.

But when it comes to these drugs like mushrooms, if you're microdosing mushrooms properly, you won't feel it. It means it's a sub noticeable dose. So I'm here in Austin, and there's all kinds of people with microdose chocolate. Like that's a third of a gram. That's not five or 10% of a dose. That is a, like, you're gonna see

little sparkles in the corners of your eyes. And if that's how you wanna feel, that's okay, I don't think you wanna do it every day. I don't think it's necessarily bad. And if you're golfing for three hours, it probably makes the golfing a lot more fun. It's also a little known secret that many, many of the ultra endurance runners,

like a hundred mile races, they're doing microdose LSD because it makes them much more effective and they just go into a certain zone. So it's, these are known things. And I don't worry about microdosing very much, but the people have to have a little bump of ketamine three times a day. You have a problem because over using ketamine can mess up some of the NANT receptors in, you know, NDMA receptors in the brain. So they're, you can overuse them, but if every weekend you did a little bit of psychedelics and you didn't

have alcohol every night during the week, you'd still be better off at the end of the year. Okay, so it's funny that you just said that I was, I just second something just because he's such a brilliant man. I happened to be at something this weekend with one of the most famous ultra marathon runners. Like one of the most. He's asking about it. Well, it came, I said, what do you, I knew this.

He's like, I listened to your stuff when I'm running. And by the way, there's a few of them that do, so don't try to figure out who it is everybody. And I said, you do anything else, and he's like a little LSD. I'm like, what? I said, I said, what did you just say? LSD?

Like I'm just so old school. He's like, yeah, a little bit, man. I said, like what percentage of the races? He goes, oh, 100% of the races, but I kind of vary the dose at different races. I'm playing with it. I'm like, wow, so he's actually right with what he just said, everybody. It sounds a little bit freaky, but microdosing LSD or mushrooms, you can almost feel it

doses. They increased neuroplasticity. And I did LSD, this is about seven, eight years ago, microdosing every day for a month, just to write about it for my blog. And I was doing it with the liquid drops. And then I was traveling, I didn't want liquids. So I chopped a tab into tiny, tiny little pieces. And I was taking one of those little pieces every day. And I guess one of the pieces was bigger than the others

because I found myself on stage making jokes that no one else laughed at. And I'm like, oh God, I'm high right now. That was it. Ken Rudkowski's metal group group and I kind of felt like a jerk afterwards. It's also kind of funny. I love you, man. This is such great stuff. All right, a couple more things. By the way, the book is smarter, not harder. The biohackers guide to getting the body in mind you want. By the way, and we're covering a lot of stuff here today, like a ton of this stuff.

There's a lot more in there, though. There are, no, no, there's a ton. And by the way, he has words like equanimity in the book that I have in my other book, like there's just stuff, right? Like that you're gonna love. I wanna ask you though, something that's not in the book because I'm in this world. And by the way, I'm still not over on the LSD, IOWA school, guys, I just wanna vet the topic

with someone who's an expert, which is Dave. I'm still like really figuring that out myself. You can't mean with a therapist, man, that's all you need. It'll be safe, it'll be effective, it's good for depression, it'll make you feel integrated in the world, and it's just so low risk.

We have 75 years of experience with that drug. It's legal to prescribe in every state, and I did it on my podcast with a therapist in San Diego about seven years ago. And it's a potent psychedelic. And it's just like, it's available. You can even do it at home now. There's places it'll send you a tab

and you do it at home and then you get on Zoom with a therapist. Wow. Okay, okay. One thing I do do is some peptides. And it's not anything. What about you? Like are you a motse guy? Do you do GH? Do you? Are there any peptides you're rigourly taking or if you're out of that world now? I go in and out of peptides. I know you do.

It's quite an... I know. Yeah, like in my longevity book called Superhuman, I went out really deep into peptides and all the different longevity compounds. And I do a lot of that. So I tend to use them and based on what I'm trying to get done. So right now, I just used Milano Tantu or MSH. And this is a peptide that gives you a tan in about 20 minutes. And the side effect is it reduces aging of reproductive organs.

It keeps your prostate health here. When you shoot it, not only do you get a tan, you get really like 12th grade horny. So that's a beneficial side effect, at least if you're in a relationship it is. And I'm single now, so maybe that was a problem. But the, that's one that matters, not just because you get a tan, because it looks good. A tan actually makes you healthier.

It makes you more resilient. A tan is basically part of how your body interacts with the world. So to get a tan, normally you need to get a little bit of sun damage. But if you get a tan in 20 minutes, now you have protection from sun damage. So that's one of my favorite ones.

Another one that most people have heard of is pinialon. And this is something that helps the pineal gland function better. Wow. And this is part of the Russian bio-regulator peptides that I wrote about in that earlier longevity book. And so I use that. Let's see what's open right now. I have some BPC 157. Do you take them every day? Do you take them every day? Like me, I mean, I'll be honest with you. I got a, I got a refrigerator full of stuff. I just start forgetting to take and it sits in there and I'm like, I got $4,000 worth of peptide sitting in my fridge. I haven't used in six months. You're not the only one. So I'll do it like for a month. I'm just all over. I do it really, really well.

And then I will just be like, oh, I just don't feel like. And honestly, this is your body intuitively telling you what to do. Like as a, so I built a regenerative farm on Vancouver Island. And you watch the sheep, they want that blade of grass not that blade. And they want one bite of this plant. They know what their body needs. And if you feel like not taking a peptide, there's probably a reason.

So I use my intuition when I'm using peptides as well. I'm also trying, right now trying, I just went on it maybe a couple of weeks ago, is MK677, which is an oral peptide. Those are just a lot less work. And that's good for metabolism. It seems to, I probably take it from on since you would have happens, but I'm up for that. He's just hacking away. I love it. How long could someone live? Well, my goal is to live to at least 180. What? Yeah. 180. 180. Here's the rationale. And I laid this out in the book before this one called Superhuman. But today, our current best is 120. And that 120-year-old person, they went through World War I and World War II. They couldn't spell DNA. They didn't have antibiotics for half their life. I mean, they completely survived without the benefit of any of the knowledge that we have now.

So if that's our current best and we can't do better by 50% over the next 100 years, it's because of comedy at the planet. It's in the bag. And right now, the amount of knowledge on our planet about biology and medicine, it's doubling every 73 days. You stick 50 years to double. So that means pretty much every three months, we double what we know about biology, about how it works.

That's why, in fact, back in 2016, I wrote about getting gene therapy and about deaging stem cells. And it turns out, I just got gene therapy yesterday. And they also have the ability to edit stem cells so that they can do things that your own stem cells can't do. And I've had hundreds and hundreds of millions of my own stem cells taken out and put in every joint in my body twice. I've had it in my hair, my face, my reproductive system, everything. And it's a whole new world right now.

So that episode where I explain all the details about gene therapy and what it's going to do for us, that one injection with a tiny little needle will take nine years off my biological age. So it'll probably be about 30 biologically when that stuff kicks in all the way. That's 20 years younger than what the calendar says. Wow. Is that why your hair looks so good? No, I get to do it too.

My hair looks so good because I cheat. So I did an episode on the human upgrade in my podcast with Alan Bauman, dad, and Florida. So I know who he is. I've been pretty well. All the guys in my family are bald by the time they're 25. So I did pretty well, but it was getting a little thin and moved back a little bit. So I had 10,000 hairs individually moved from here to the front.

So some of this is all my hair, but some of this stuff here it was removed around to do what I wanted. Part of biohacking is you get to change your biology however you want. So I have no problems with using lasers to make my skin better or to improve my hair. And I use things like caffeine and adenosine and aspirin on my hair topically, which actually work as well as my noxidel because it increases circulation. Laser laser cap thing. Yep, for circulation. Yeah. Yeah. I may or may not relate to every single thing you just said. Some people like, you know, how dare you? I'm like, how dare I not? Like, if you have a problem with it, like follow someone else without hair. I just don't care. Like, I'm going to look and feel exactly what I want. And if it triggers you,

and you should unload your gun, like, it's fine. I just don't care. I'm inspired and feel more normal now that you just said that. So I appreciate it. Today was one of my favorite conversations ever on the show because it flew by. I literally just look up at the clock. We've been doing this for an hour. Oh wow. And I feel like we haven't even scratched the surface.

I want to have you back. I'm just grateful. There's really very few people in the world pushing the envelope forward on this stuff. There's really a handful of them. It's really true. There's a handful of human beings trying to push the human experience forward, whether that be wellness, energy, longevity, strength.

There's a handful of these folks. And I think Dave is like the Godfather. He's like, thanks man. I just, it's true. And he's been out at the longest and a lot of the things he said back in the past when like, this dude is nuts. Now has become relatively mainstream stuff. And I hope the biggest one is that we're gonna live

to 180 at a minimum. And that in 15 years people go, he wasn't nuts. I'm about to announce a longevity venture fund where I'll be participating. And we're targeting a number much higher than that. So hopefully I'll be able to disclose that soon. Okay, we'll disclose it here.

I enjoyed today, bro. So, so, so much, man, so much. Smart or not harder, go get it, Dave Asprey. Thank you for being here today, and we'll have you back here soon. All right, thanks Ed. All right, everybody, God bless you. Max out your life, share this

episode, take care. This is The Ed Milage Show.