THE ED MYLETT SHOW - Riding the Giant Waves of Belief with Garrett & Nicole McNamara

Episode Date: June 18, 2024

Learn how to LIVE YOUR DREAMS even in the midst of adversity in this captivating episode with me and Garrett and Nicole McNamara, where overcoming the impossible becomes the norm.  Join us as Garrett, a legend who has surfed the world's largest waves, and Nicole, the strategic mind behind the odysseys, share invaluable insights on RESILIENCE, FEAR, and ACHIEVING the seemingly unachievable.  Set against the backdrop of their thrilling lives, this conversation is not just about chasing monumental waves, but also about navigating the colossal challenges and triumphs of life.  Here's what you'll learn in this powerful episode:  How to confront and leverage fear in pursuit of your dreams, and how these principles can apply to any daunting challenge in life.  How to stay true to yourself despite societal pressures AND get the blueprint for personal authenticity  Learn how this extraordinary couple handles the highs AND lows of their unique lifestyle, like navigating serious health scares and the inherent dangers of big wave surfing  Real-life application on how to manifest your destiny and how to use visualization to shape your path to success  Insights into how Garrett and Nicole’s partnership—both professional and personal—fuels their achievements and how similar supportive relationships can be cultivated in your own life  Learn how to transform adversity into strength from me and this power couple who live their extraordinary truths every single day. Whether you're navigating personal challenges or aiming for your peak performance, their journey offers critical lessons in how to ride the waves of life with courage and unyielding partnership. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And the reason is, is it's very unique in life that you get a chance to talk to human beings who have done things that basically no other human beings have ever done before, or at least very, very few. And in their case, that is 100% true. And also their show's awesome. I've been watching the show, 100 Foot Wave, it's coming up on its third season now on HBO Max. But here's the deal, everybody.

He has ridden the biggest wave in the history of mankind. She is the brains and the security behind the operation. And frankly, as I look at their content, she has so many special things to share with you today about success and belief. And I just think they're two of the most unique, remarkable people in the world coming to you today from Italy on their way to Switzerland. Garrett and Nicole McNamara, thank you for being here today. It's an honor and we're really excited. So thank you for the invitation. Well, I've never had such a powerful, good intro.

Thank you. Yeah, you're hired. That makes me feel really special. Well, it's actually true. It's actually true. So guys, I just want to picture this picture like at 85. We'll put it on the YouTube version. Picture like an 85, 90 foot wave and this man has ridden it.

It's just unbelievable to me what they do with their life. But as I was diving into you guys, I'm going to be honest with you, Garrett, I'm watching a lot of the things Nicole says and I'm writing them down a little bit more. I mean, what you do blows my mind, right? But when I started listening to your wife, I'm like, oh my gosh, she has a career like in my industry as well. So to do something great with your life, no matter what it is, all of you listening to this today, if you have a dream, I think you have to start with some level of belief in the cause. Watching this thing you said, if you could just give me your opinion about this,

but you're talking about how really the world today is trying to sort of rob us almost of trying to live our authentic self and our dreams. I literally played it three times in a row and then I played it for my daughter. So talk a little bit just about belief and how that's the foundation to do anything like what you guys are doing. You know there's so many components to breaking free and I think that's what it is. It's like breaking free and having the confidence to be our authentic self, to tap back into our authentic selves. Because from the moment we are born, we become conditioned to fit in, to fit into society

like, oh, you have to do this to succeed, you have to do this to get good grades, you have to do this for people to like you. But that's really not the case because then you're just gonna be the cookie cutter fit in the box. And you know, that's where society really wants us. So to break free, you have to have the courage. And what I've realized is you have to be able to be uncomfortable because it's uncomfortable to go against what society is telling you you need to do.

And it can be scary. So you also have to be fearless because the way we're kept small is by our fear, fear of not being loved, fear of not succeeding, fear of failing. So if we can be okay with being uncomfortable and fearlessly go into something with our authentic self, and when you are your authentic self, you don't give up. Because if you're really doing something authentically you just keep going until you make it happen. It's actually natural and effortless ease. Yeah and I mean we've we were in a position where it's like when you know

it in your bones no matter how many people tell you it's not possible you still know in your bones that it is possible. So you really have to be committed. Yeah, you just have to, you know, they either jump on the boat or they stay on shore. Or get left in the way. And that's the thing, it's really also surrounding yourself with people who believe in you. If you are around somebody that says, Oh, that's not possible, or that's too hard. They are not part of your success or support team.

And the only way you're going to succeed is if you are completely surrounded with people that believe everything is possible and believe in you. So good. You do do things though that like no one has ever done, Garrett. Like, so we're talking about fear. Nicole mentions fear. I'm just curious. I look at these videos of you, brother, and I'm just like, what? Like, I'm in a six-foot wave body surfing and my heart rate's like 150. This man's on 80 plus foot waves.

Do you still get scared or do you rely on your preparation and what Nicole's doing behind the scenes? Or is there, is it like, Oh my gosh, I'm living my dream. I'm exhilarated. Or are you afraid when you're catching a wave like that? Like what's going on in your body and your biochemistry in your mind? Well, before 2016 I didn't have fear at all and since then, since I had so much pain from my shoulder, I'm choosing to be afraid. Fear is something I feel we choose, we manufacture in our mind when we think about the past or the future and we're not in the moment fully enjoying the moment, doing our best in the moment fully enjoying the moment, doing our best in the moment.

And since I had this bad injury, I've been choosing to go back into the pain that I experienced for so long. And, and I also haven't gotten myself physically prepared to where I used to be. So I, yeah, I'm choosing to be. I haven't rode very many giant waves. I have had a few and I've had a few major wipeouts on giant waves and I was afraid I wasn't going to enjoy it anymore. And I still enjoy getting pounded. I still enjoy the underwater ride. I've just been a lot more. What would I say? Patient, a lot more patience now.

uh what would I say? Patient. A lot more patience now. Hmm. Do I have it right that when you were 35 you kind of quit the dream? Like, tell me if I'm wrong about this. About you know that age where to be honest with you, most people quit their dream. When they're in their 20s they're gonna try really hard at whatever it is. Their business, their music, whatever it is and then enough rejection or enough fear and in your case you can describe whatever it is, and then enough rejection or enough fear. And in your case, you can describe whatever it was. And so you kind of check out and go get a surf shop for a few years, right? So what was that like?

And then what was the switch to go? Nope, I'm going to be back in this. When my, when the end of my life's over, I maxed it out type life. Evidently you chose both of you. Well, when it comes to surfing, your career is pretty much over at like 30, 35 usually. Yeah. And I was so grateful that I'd been able to surf up until that point and I thought to myself man I should be so grateful I can go do a nine to five, I can go do whatever it takes to keep putting food on the table

beside surfing and you know do what you're supposed to do and And I did, I opened the store, driving to the store one morning, actually every morning I was driving to the store, but this one particular morning, I looked out and my favorite way was perfect and I'm driving by and I just got really depressed. And I really did give up on my dreams and open that store and driving by as I was getting depressed,

I thought to myself, oh, how do I figure out how to keep surfing I got to give surfing one more chance and I went to the store that morning got out a piece of paper and wrote a business plan to keep surfing. What was in the business plan? Well the two things that I had to do was win the Eddie I cow which was in my backyard I lived closer than everybody to the to the actual event location and win the jaws Contest and then a train train and eat perfect and manifest and I put those That that business plan on the refrigerator in my car and on the bathroom mirror So I and so every day, all day, I looked at it.

Anything that I wasn't doing that wasn't on the plan took me further from the, from accomplishing the goal. So I really just focused on what was on that paper all day, every day. Nicole, I heard you talk about manifesting before too. Like it's one of like in my space, it's a pretty overused term, right? Um, and misunderstood probably by most people. So what does it mean? Like, obviously you're part of the planning process, the security, the safety, he's out there doing his thing. There's a dream or a goal. You go, okay, we're going to go to Nazaré and there's going to be this big wave or whatever it

is. What is, what is manifesting like for you when someone says that, what's it mean to you? It's, it's creating your own reality. It's taking control of your life. And I think if we all were taught in school, in kindergarten, that we were 100% each and every one of us, pure potential. We can create anything we want, everything we think we are creating. Every thought is creating our reality. And that's really essentially manifestation. So when you can know that in every cell of your being as a truth, because

that's the thing, you have to believe it to be true. People can tell you at a million times, but unless you truly believe that you are pure potential and every thought creates your reality, it's not going to work. But if you do, you're going to see your life unfold magically in front of you. So the crazy thing for me is somehow I naturally started doing it without being told that it was a thing or knowing it was a thing. And I want to say, I don't know, around 25, 30, I saw the, the movie, the secret. Remember that movie? But I don't know when it came out, when I finally

got to see it. And I was just like, that's what I'm doing. That's what I've been doing. This is a real thing. This is a thing. And so I just kept doing it even more. Wow. I told you all, this is going to be mind blowing. I like, just so you all know, I'll give you a little inside scoop. We have major technical issues today and I'm doing, I wanted to do this so badly with these guys because listen, there are people that give great speeches or write great books and there's so much value in that. Then there's very, there are people who actually live this stuff and do it. Like it's who they actually are and that's these two. this stuff and do it. Like it's who they actually are. And that's these two.

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I wanted to ask you, because Nicole, you were talking about, you know, culture conditions us to conform, right? To conform. And I actually give in this talk right now where I talk about, I think it starts when you're a kid, when you're taught to color within the lines in your coloring books.

And I think most of us are conditioned by the time we're six, eight, nine years old to color our life within the lines. Don't go outside the lines, you're a bad boy, you're a bad girl. That's where all the danger is. And yeah, and it seems to me the people that live the most blissful existences

are willing to color outside the lines. And I'm not just saying this. When I was writing that talk, I thought of three or four people I was familiar with. And Garrett and Nicole, you were a couple of them. But Nicole, I wanted to ask you about risk, because you have a young family. And I think one of the things that holds

us back is also our partner in our life, justifiably being afraid of risk. If you've got a job right now and let's say the wife has a dream to start a business but she says, honey, I want to mortgage the house and I want to open up that restaurant or that barber shop or whatever it is, there's a huge risk because it's one thing when you're single and young, at one time when Garrett was doing this, right? But it's different when you have a family. Your risk is the loss of life for your spouse. So, how do you deal as the partner with the risk element of it. I mean, I think this goes into what I was mentioning a moment ago is that it's really truly all who we surround ourselves with. And it's that fear because it's actually not a risk.

It's a fear. It's a fear that you're not gonna succeed. It's not a risk. So if we could live without fear, there's really no risk. Is some of the fear, Nicole, let me ask you, I want to ask you about that. Let's, let's, let's go back and forth on this point, both of you. Is some fear healthy though? So do you truly have no fear or is some fear cause you to prepare?

Does some fear cause you to mitigate the risks or maybe to plan more strongly or do you think that's some different emotion than fear compelling you to do it? No, I think fear is a key component in being able to succeed because when the fear arises, you just have to be aware of it and be able to look at it. Okay, like what am I actually really afraid of? Like with him riding big waves? Am I really afraid that it's that he's gonna not come home? Or like, what, what is the fear?

Are you wanting to ride a big wave? Like I know for myself, it's, I just really like to breathe. That's why I'm not gonna go surf a gigantic wave. You know, so yeah, you just have to really sit with the fear, like the practical example you give of a wife wanting to start this business and it being scary, you know, it being a risk. It's like, okay, so you're afraid you're going to fail. OK, if I do fail, what's going to happen?

Are we going to really truly end up on the streets or will we figure it out? Because we're a partnership and we support each other. And that's what we do. If we end up failing, we figure it out. You know, our children won't starve. But that goes into the manifestation. You know, it's all interconnected and it's this web. And once you get caught in the web of fear and risk and, you know, trying to stay inside the lines,

it's going to keep you trapped. It's a web. So how do you get yourself out and focus on what you do want to happen? Yeah. And focusing on what will happen if you do succeed. Like what if you just focus on succeeding? That's a really interesting point. Like what if you actually focus on the success part of it? I know you're right.

I just, I like the way you say it better than me. You know, when my dad passed away a few years ago, and I've been the blessing, a very good friend of mine's mom passed away last night actually. And we were talking this morning about this. At the end of life, I don't think you like regret the crashes in the wave. I don't think you regret the times you failed. I do know that at the end of my dad's life, who lived a very good life by the way, but at the end when we were talking about regrets, he, it was, I wish I'd have started a business when I had the chance. I wish I'd have bought that rental property, you know, I, maybe we should have traveled a little bit more, you know? And so I think at the end of life, the regrets are by omission,

the things you didn't do, not the things that you, that you didn't fail that necessarily. All right, Garrett, I've always wanted to ask you this. So here we go. And I know everyone wants to know this. What's it feel like, man? What does it feel like? Take us into, you catch the perfect wave, the big wave. What is going on in your soul when that happens? Well, if you're in alignment and everything's lining up and what you've been focusing on for so long comes to you and you're about to ride it. It's just following your heart and not thinking,

and it's spiritual, it's blissful, it's so beautiful, and it's overwhelming with endorphins and dopamine. At the end, it is like being in heaven. You come out and it's just like the best feeling ever, and then you want that feeling again And it's funny you you get the best ride of your life and all this and and you want another one What what has to happen in you for it to be the best ride Is it the absence of thought is it being fully present? Is it?

What is it that happens in you that makes you capable of doing that where I? Can't or wouldn't at least right now well the fully present part and just feeling your way through it is a big part of it, but the physical and emotional come through putting it all on the line going as deep as possible to where if you don't make it, this wave is going to eat you and somehow threading the needle and just getting right into the barrel. And then when you're in the barrel,

it doesn't seem like you're going to make it, but you have to keep processing the positive. I'm making it. I'm making it no matter how. Like I can describe one barrel that Jaws barrel. I came down, turned away from the wave so I could get deeper and then turned under the lip. And right when I go under the lip, the wave hit me

three times, just kind of kiss me like a little spray of the lip hit my and blinded me. So now I pull into the barrel. And I can't see I'm blind and I'm feeling myself in this massive cavern so much power so much energy and I'm telling myself you're gonna make it you're gonna make it and I'm starting to get sucked up the face and right and I could feel myself about to fall backwards and I feel the wave back drive. It sucks. And then right when I was about to fall, it kind of goes silent for a second. The back draft stop.

And then this for hurricane force wind comes from behind. It's called the spit. A compressed wave turns into a compression chamber. First, it pulls back and then it explodes. And right when I was about to fall, the spit, the force of the wind picked me up like a hurricane and threw me out in front of the wave and I landed out and then I look up and I'm, oh my God, oh my God, thank you God. And it's's it's yeah, but that was the most Overwhelming spiritual

Beautiful moment of my surfing career. Is that the one that got you to shut the shop down? Yes, I have why we won the event the year before but that was still little fight it yes that really Put the feather in my cap that I was somebody in the surfing world. Brother, doing the show a long time. That's one of my favorite moments ever right there. It's interesting in a very different way. As I was hearing you describe that, I was, to be honest with you, I was thinking about like being an entrepreneur and starting my business. And points in time where I had to tell myself I'm gonna make it, I'm gonna make it, I'm gonna make it.

And other points in times where I'm like, thank you God, you carried me through this part of it and I landed on my feet. I'm not exactly sure how that all happened but it sure is beautiful. It's interesting. You know, I wanna ask you another question about that. I used to be a part of a group that sponsored Carl Edwards. He was a NASCAR driver many years ago. A very successful one. I don't know if you remember Carl.

Didn't I meet him? Yeah, successful dude. And I had asked him one time like, what's the part of racing that most people would know about? And the first thing he says, well, one, don't look at the wall. And he said, I mean it because if you actually look at the wall, you gravitate towards it. To Nicole's point earlier about thoughts, right? The other thing he said was, and I never thought about it before but I wanted to ask you, he said, probably the scariest moment is there's a crash in front of you and all there is is smoke and you know on the other end of that crash, there's, there could be five, ten, twenty cars and you're doing 150 right through the smoke and you don't know what's on the other side of it

150 right through the smoke and you don't know what's on the other side of it and you could be killed on the other side of that smoke and when I was watching I watched a video of you last night it's and I know even the video doesn't do it justice you guys he looks like a speck like he looks he looks like a mouse on mount everest at the size of this wave I mean the grandeur of it. Is there an element of that for you, Garrett, where you're just like, I have to embrace the unknown and I'm just gonna sort of figure it out as I go. I can't know everything on what's on the other side

of that smoke or on the other side of that break. Is there a part of you that's built this muscle of like, you know what, I don't know and I'm going anyway? Yeah, that's when preparation comes in and your team and anything that I've accomplished was always I give a lot half of the credit to my team and going coming down a wave and not seeing it perfect and not knowing if you're actually going to be able to make it. It's kind of for me more exhilarating and a little more fun

because it's more challenging and you don't really know what you're going to get. You're getting you're going to expect on the other side. And I always did love the underwater rides. I always loved getting pounded. So I would do my best to put myself in the right spot, do my best to make my waves. But if I wasn't gonna make it, I always really enjoyed it as well. Gosh, guys, I just, I'm blown away by you.

I just, I'm blown away by you. Nicole, what's been the scariest moment? In our surfing career? In anything. No, it could be whatever just came to your mind. That one wave. No, it could be whatever just came to your mind. No, I mean, definitely from season two, we lost my brother for several minutes, which felt like a very long time. And it was the first time we ever lost somebody. I mean, he was found, thank God.

But there was that moment where he was lost. That's like, you can't call the Coast Guard. It's not like, hey, can you find my brother? I'm missing. He's under our waves. Right, just this moment. And then Garrett's like, where is he? I'm like, he's nowhere.

You know, like, what do you do in that instance except surrender? And, you know, it's funny because the other scariest moment was the last birth of our child, Faye. You know, we got really sick. I got COVID and nine months pregnant and my liver shut down and they were saying she could be stillborn. And I mean, that's obviously super scary. But in both those situations

with my brother lost at sea, and you know, Fay not knowing what would happen when she was born, you know, it's that surrender. It's kind of what you guys were just talking about the surrender to the unknown. You know, if we would have panicked with CJ or panicked with the birth of the baby, would that have changed the outcome with that have helped the outcome? No. So it's like surrendering to the unknown. Knowing that you've done everything you could possibly do, and have to sit in that moment and be at be okay with how it's going to play out, you know, because panic and stress, adding to, to the situation, it's not helpful.

So what do you do in those moments of complete, you know, loss of control, because that's what it is. You're at an absolute loss of control. I'm out the back and I'm just visualizing, okay, he's got his flotation on, okay, he's gonna pop up sooner or later, we're gonna find him, if he's passed out, we're gonna bring him back.

And then I process a negative thought, which I usually don't. And I thought, okay, I've always shared with people that these waves are so powerful that they can strip you naked with one lip on the head could rip your wetsuit off and all your flotation and I kind of visualized that for a second like oh my god did that happen and that was yeah that was probably one of the scariest moments of my career of not knowing where he was and no eyes on him. Hey everyone, it's Ed Mylett. And if you know me, you know, I'm always looking for ways to live healthier,

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What does it feel like garrett when you crash in a big wave like that what happens to you and what What are you doing? Are you are you trying to say i'll let you tell me i was gonna say stay calm But what do I know? Well, every wipeout is so different but usually they're super powerful and it's like usually they're super powerful and it's like Mike Tyson just punching you under water and then it's like a washing machine on spin cycle with King Kong shaking up and down and then you come up when you when so you're getting pounded you pull your inflation you're coming up and you're hoping there's not another wave you're hoping you get your lips out before the next wave comes. You just get your lips up and all this foam's coming in and you're barely getting a breath and another one rolls over you.

And yes, and that can happen over and over and over repeatedly. Well, usually you get like two or three, maybe four, and then your partner's coming at you with the jet ski. But sometimes you pop up and they're right there. But usually it takes at least a second one because they get eyes on you when you pop up. And then they're like, OK, you got to calculate where to be, where he's going to pop up next and be right on the side of him when he pops up. There's no time to spare in between waves. How dangerous are those guys? I always wanted to ask you this, Nicole, you're doing all those safety stuff.

So how dangerous because the video is always like you surfing the wave, but then once in a while they'll show the guy on the sea to pulling you out there. And I'm like, even though he's on a sea to that looks pretty frigging gnarly to me too. Like is that, is that a dangerous imagine it sounds naive, but like they're also in peril as well. Aren't they those guys? I don't know who you've been told suffering with, but we use Yamaha's.

Okay. Slide that in there. Sorry. Yamaha's. Very good, brother. But there, are they in danger too Nicole? Those guys are because they're on machines. They're, they are right. Actually some of the, some of the craziest situations I've seen involves the jet skis. What do you think your kids are learning from you two? Like, are you consciously doing something different

with your children and the way you raise them or teach them compared? I mean, it's not a normal upbringing. I mean, you travel a lot. Like what's, what are you trying to instill in them for their lives? We feel like we're giving them freedom to be who they are. And at times it's, we, you know, second guess ourselves, are we doing the right things?

And we were at this hotel the other night by chance cause I got our car, a flat tire on a car. That's a whole other story. And the lady who was working at the hotel, very nice lady, she said, I've been here for over 10 years. I've never seen children play together like your kids do. And I've never seen such loving, caring children towards each other.

And that really made me go, OK, we are doing the right things. I mean, we're definitely living outside of the norm when it comes to how we're raising our children, for sure. But one of the things that is really important to me is emotional intelligence and being able for them to be able to feel and not stopped from feeling and then learning how to identify those feelings and then how to move through those feelings. You know, there's a lot of times our little child, she's fire. She has a lot of feelings. You know, there's a lot of times our little child, she's fire. She has a lot of feelings.

She's very loving, but at the same time, she can be extremely fierce and she gets big, big feelings. And, you know, the the newest thing I've been trying is like, hey, feelings are like clouds. They pass by. So you're feeling it right now. But in a little bit, that cloud's gonna move and there's gonna be a new cloud. So don't get stuck on that one cloud because so many more are gonna come. So you just enjoy the feeling and it's gonna pass even if it's not a good feeling.

It's going to pass. Like just getting them, you know, just conscious of their feelings. But the other thing is, is, you know, there's all this for barrel, especially the oldest with the surfing, you know, always all day long, we're going surfing, we're going surfing, oh, they're all working on a surfing this and that we gotta go train, get it in it. Come on. Oh, barrel did this. Girl did this. I just look at my, I don't really care. I'm like, did you do something kind today? Did you give somebody a compliment? Did you help somebody? Did you help someone? You know,

it's for me, it's for them, how are they going to show up in the world? And how are they going to share their gifts with the world? For me, it was really challenging because it's the use your words and not much, not much. Control. We're not controlling our kids. No, not much consequence. And the consequence that there are there. I mean, if we were more, we're not real consistent always with the type of consequence. If we were more consistent with the consequence, the way that we give them consequence, it worked really well, but we're soft and kind of fold when they, come on, come on.

We're not perfect parents. Yeah. But for me, with the usual words are super challenging now I'm 100% behind it. And when he's crying for no reason, let him cry. Let him have his feeling. And before it's like, come on, that's not I mean, I'll give you a reason to cry, you know, old school. And then just really consequences. I mean, if it's really soft and loving and kind and okay, go, go sit in, sit over there.

That's your spot for the next five minutes. You can't move. Okay, but being mean and and using, I don't know. How do I explain it? But like what's your dad the other? I finally shifted. I took me a long time and I finally shifted to, I just want to love them.

When they're getting mad, I just want to give them love. When they're upset, I just want to give them love. When they're doing something wrong, I just want to give them love. And it took me a long time to shift to that. But I know 100% without a doubt, with all of my heart and all of my being, that that's what we need to be doing for our children.

And that's how we need to show up as parents. Just love them always. And that's us, it's instead of reacting to our children, we need to respond to our children. Yeah. That's damn life lesson. When you're just saying that about the meanness, my kids are, my son turned professional golfer yesterday.

I got to caddy for him in his first tournament. Yeah. Congratulations. Yeah, it was cool. It was cool to compete with him. My back's killing me from carrying his bag, but that's another story. But I have to tell you, they're both in their twenties now. And if you go to the moments I regret as a dad, it was the moments that Garrett described that he knows is wrong. The ones I was just One I reacted because I'm a human by reacted of my own weaknesses and insecurities or whatever and the other and this is just Life, it's not even kids moments of my life

I regret are usually reactions and not responses and the other one was being mean When I was mean in my rebuke, you know, and that's not just with my kids, that's in my life. Garrett, you're a unique dude in the sense that you strike me as this very spiritual Zen kind of the secret dude, but then you're like a psycho intense dude too. And you're not young. You're 50, you're not young in your sport rather. He's 56 years old. He didn't want to admit it. And I got 50 more years.

50 more, that's right. Listen to my show, you can get 60 with all the longevity guys on here. But I'm curious, like, are you, and Nicole, you can speak to both of you. I keep reading like, but he wants to do more. He wants to do more. He wants to do more.

Like he's got this thing that keeps telling him to, I think you're, I think you have the thing of people I admire garrett You're addicted to the expansion of your being is what I like to say And i'm just wondering what that shows up like is that true? And what's that gonna look like now that you're? 56 are we gonna see you on some big wave at 63 or like what are you gonna be doing? Yeah, if i'm up to it, i'll definitely be riding big waves when I'm 60 possibly longer but I'll still drive that jet ski all the way till my dying days. Get in the mix but you know it's I've definitely got out of having to ride

every wave and having to get the biggest wave and only going for the right reasons, only going if I feel in shape enough and I feel like I really just want to do it because I love it so much and really going out there with more of a selfless approach and helping my friends accomplish their goals and dreams. And the only reason I feel any need and lack of a better word is to inspire people that everything's possible. That's other than that, I'm pretty good. I'm pretty happy. I'm very content. I'm more patient. I could actually just hang out here in the mountains of Italy and be very happy. And

it's funny, I say that and think that and then once I jump back into water I'm like how could I ever say that? I read where you went through a little bout of depression, do either one of you struggle with that? As great as your life is, sometimes I think people that feel things deeply, feel things deeply. You know like you were describing with your children. Either one of you struggle with, I don't know, mental health, wellness, depression, anything like that. And if you do, how do you deal with it? I mean, like today I was extremely sad and I felt the weight of the world. It was almost like I could throw up because I felt just like this overwhelming sense of doom, which it doesn't happen to me

often. I feel when I exhausted, you know, I'm more vulnerable to feeling that but I wouldn't say it's it's depression. I think it's normal. We're humans and there's peaks and there's valleys. And it's an awareness. And I do know I cannot speak on true depression or mental health because I think there's probably times that it's chemical and I can't address that because mine is just life. It's being super empathic and feeling other people's feelings

to the point where I could cry. But I've had to learn how to release things that aren't mine. Yeah. Wow. I also say sometimes when you're feeling helpless, be helpful. Like I think even doing this today say sometimes when you're feeling helpless, be helpful. Like I think even doing this today, like knowing you're contributing to people in

the moment you're doing it, it's almost impossible to feel those emotions when you're in service of other people. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's getting outside of yourself. Can you feel those things, Nicole? Do you ever feel those things? Like I would never ask you what it was, but like do you know what made you feel that way today? Or do you sometimes just wake up and that particular day you feel the overwhelm of life? Yeah, I

I'm hyper aware and sensitive to the world and everything going on in it and how Challenging the world is right now and the low vibration that everybody's operating on. Yeah, yeah. And I feel things are very intense right now in the world. There's a lot a lot going on. So and it's really it's those moments that I lose sight of my center and allow myself to absorb other things that, yeah. Everything. I watched, Garrett, you do something the other day.

Yeah, I watched close and I loved how you did it. You made a post, which you don't do almost ever, but you basically made a post and said, hey, look, man, I don't even watch TV very much and I'm not scrolling on my computer. And so, I don't have all the answers or whatever, but I just want to express how I feel right now. And I thought that was really, really powerful that just expressing one's emotions and feelings about something, there's this need on social media in the world to like be right all the time.

You know what I mean? Like, I know what's right and you're wrong and I'm gonna prove you wrong. And I just felt like that was a beautiful expression of yourself. But in your case, do you go into those dark places mentally, Garrett? You know, I've only had a few encounters with depression and I would say that it is real. It's super dark and it's something that if somebody tells you they're actually depressed, really listen and really help them however you can. I think before the shop, yeah, before the shop, there was a time when I had no money and had a million bills. And back then I could normally get on the TV and kind of let the world go and not let

anything bother me, just kind of disappear into the TV. And it was this weird, uncomfortable crawling of the skin, just depressed, just like, and you're just crawling. You don't even want to live. You don't, you, I didn't process killing myself or anything just depressed, just like, and you're just crawling. You don't even want to live. You don't, I didn't process killing myself or anything, but I definitely didn't want to be on the planet anymore. I felt like, what for what? What's the point?

And I think that a lot of that is also chemical from too much sugar, too much caffeine, too much alcohol, drugs, anything that changes your internal structure, anything that, yeah, I think it's a lot of its chemical. But then there's the people that somehow have depression from, I mean, probably all chemical from the very beginning, and then it slowly creeps up on us or it's already there from when we were born. Something happened at the hospital. But I definitely speaking out of turn, I have no idea about all that. That's just what I feel. And there was

not too long ago, it was I was in Nazareth and Nicole wasn't with me and I wasn't eating good and I was, you know, definitely choosing, making bad choices for what, what to eat, probably too much sugar, caffeine, blah, blah, blah. And I got depressed and I felt just like I felt back in the day. And I was just like, it didn't feel good at all. And my life is so amazing. I probably like normally I'm like, I'm the luckiest guy in the world. Yeah. Me and Nicole, we're the luckiest people.

We are literally the luckiest people in the world. We we literally believe that. So we also believe that everybody can be the luckiest people in the world. We're not the only ones. We all can be. It's all it's a choice. And and I was all of a sudden depressed, like, come on, what's going on here? And I didn't want to get out of bed and I was doing a shoot with my friend and I was just all like, eww, and just like, oh,

and yeah, I was really bad. And I got out of there and got busy and I got out of bed, started doing things, felt better. But then I went back into the house and started feeling weird again. It was like two or three days of this weird, uncomfortable. And what I've heard, like a heroin addict or an opioid addict, when they're getting off of that, they say their skin feels,

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to feel that blessed and lucky? Like overall, like key to life type advice. Well, I want you both to answer that one. Well, you know, people love to throw around the white privilege. And of course you think you around the white privilege. And of course, you think you're. The luck, you know, I think people say that a lot before knowing somebody's story, you know, for example,

my father was exiled from Cuba when he was a small boy. So we really came. And your mother and your. But I mean, I didn't come from a silver spoon. Garrett at the age of seven was eating out of trash cans with a sheet on and no clothes. Like it wasn't like we were handed anything anything. Like him and I simply worked our butts off. And we still do today. And the thing, you know, everybody asks like, oh, you know,

they ask our meeting story or whatever and what it was. And the one thing about Garrett that I think my soul was so attracted to was he believes in every cell of his being that everything is possible. To this day, like he believes that everything is possible. And it goes to what I was saying before too, that we are all pure potential. We're all born pure potential.

And there's so many stories out there of people who have come from hell and created heaven. So, yeah, it is possible to be the luckiest person in the world. And it's a mindset, right? Yes. Yeah. It's really about choices and surrounding yourself with the right people

and making really good plans and following the plan, actually putting that pen to paper and making a very realistic plan and not being rigidly attached to it, but see it, focus on it, know it with all your heart and go for it. But if it goes a little to the left or to the right and it totally morphs into something else, just keep going with it. Don't be too rigidly attached. And yeah, it's eagles and the feather flock together. And where we really have been focusing on surrounding ourselves with expanders, for lack of a better word, and people that we aspire to be

like or look up to or something that we respect and admire and want to be part of. And that's where it all that's how it's that's how we succeeded. First of all, our love and our, but that's how we succeeded first of all our love and our Our we know and we feel and we know that we can do pretty much anything But then it's all the people we surround ourselves with it's 100 the people we surround ourselves with There's he's gonna bring you up or bring you down all day every day. You're gonna waste time going down Or put time in going up What if last question? is there a point when enough's enough or not? I get asked that a lot to be honest with you, you know, and

I think I wonder your life like if I, if you never met surfing, you know, could you, A, is part of this key to life finding something you truly love and spending your time doing it. But is there a point where enough's enough in life? And I think I know the answer to this, but a lot of people ask themselves that all the time because we are like a, we have become, you're in Italy which is very different that way, but we've become a grind culture as you know, right? Like grind, accumulate, show it off, spend it, flex it.

You know, that's a big, big part of culture. And when I look at the two of you, I sort of see the antithesis of that in the sense that you're experiencing and expanding and you just seem so much happier than the people that I know that spend most of their time accumulating, if that makes any sense. And I've made the mistake of doing some of that in my life. So is there a point where the way you are doing things enough is enough?

And do you, do you feel like part of the key to it is what I just described? I just think it comes down to asking yourself instead of is enough enough, it's what are you contributing? yourself instead of is enough enough it's what are you contributing? You know and if you look at it that like you can contribute till the day you die. So yeah what are you contributing? Yeah you're right we're living in this distorted culture of accumulation instead of contribution. What are you contributing? That's a great.

What are you contributing to your family, to your spouse, to your friends, to your community, to the world? Like go out and heal the soil in your backyard instead of buying a new pork purse instead of spraying Roundup. I don't know. Yeah. So we can change that, that cultural mindset of, instead of accumulation, what are you contributing? Then it'll never be enough because you can always contribute.

Wow. I think that's the better answer than I gave to somebody when someone was asking me why I keep working so hard, but that is, No, you just hit my heart right there. Like that's literally why I'm doing this with you right now. Right, right. Yeah. And there's a financial element to it. And that's why we got on and that's why we drove down the road because it's, what are we contributing? This is a piece of contributing.

Just so you all know how precious these two beautiful souls are. We had a technical issue in the middle of this. We've had several and they literally, they literally did me the honor of coming on the show today, but they also actually offered we'll get in our car and drive down the road, find somewhere with better reception. And they've done that. So I have to tell you, it's one of the most more remarkable conversations I've ever had. I'm immensely grateful for it. I'd be blessed if we became friends. I know millions of people are gonna heal this

Heal from this by the way, I just said that And hear this and so I just want to thank the two of you so much for today I I enjoyed it immensely and I'm so grateful that we grinded through any obstacles that came our way today. So, thank you We're equally as grateful and honored. So thank you very much. You've just expanded us and we're on a different vibration right now. We were kind of down. I was having a rough day and you just brought us back. Thank you very much.

Yeah, well, that is more than mutual. By the way, everybody, you want to get expanded and entertained? Third season, 100 foot wave. It's there's no show like it in the world. Like it's just it's one of a kind, because I told you, these are two human beings that have done things no other human beings have done before. And so go on the journey with them. It's awesome. And check out Nazare.

It's just it's it's a very, very special place with these two special people, too. So. All, alright everybody. Thanks for being here today. Share this one. Let's get everybody hearing from these two incredible human beings. God bless you everybody. Max out.