THE ED MYLETT SHOW - Start Livin' Again w/ Matthew McConaughey

Episode Date: April 18, 2023

If you think you’ve heard everything, Matthew McConaughey has to say… think again! Matthew himself has labeled this THE BEST interview he’s done yet!“Finding your identity is more about a process of elimination so that you end up with more room for the things that feed you…”If you only know him from his work as an actor, you are about to be blown away by the DEPTH and the THOUGHTFULNESS of this week's guest, MATTHEW McCONAUGHEY. @‌officiallymcconaugheyThis is a fascinating MASTERCLASS IN MINDSET with one of the best-known, most loved, and often quoted actors in the world. This interview with  Matthew is simultaneously FUNNY, EASYGOING and also INTENSE and DEEPLY PHILOSOPHICAL. He is a student and a teacher of the human condition, and after our hour together, you’ll have a new appreciation for him as a person way beyond what you’ve seen on the big screen.Matthew’s journey has been remarkable, with EXCLAMATION POINT STORIES you won’t hear anywhere else.  He has spent a lot of time thinking about how his life has unfolded and is genuinely excited to SHARE HIS SECRETS to success and happier life with all of you including:👉🏽 How the science of SATISFACTION leads to the art of LIVING👉🏽 The story of how he got his start in Hollywood with less than a thousand dollars in his pocket👉🏽 The distinction between JOY and HAPPINESS.👉🏽 How to get BETTER RESULTS out of everything you do👉🏽 The difference between being a NICE GUY and a GOOD MAN.You’re going to walk away from this week’s show with a ton of practical advice from one of the all time greats!And I promise you, although Matthew McConaughey is known for many great characters in his acting career, when he speaks the TRUTH as he does here, this may be his most insightful role yet.And if you haven’t already heard, Matthew McConaughey is putting on a LIVE virtual event, THE ART OF LIVIN' on April 24th! Join him and other special guests LIVE for this intimate one time event to create a future you can look forward to. CLICK THE LINK IN MY BIO to reserve your FREE seat or visit EMLivin.com NOW!

This is the Ed Milach show. Welcome back to the show everybody. Today's going to be just tremendous. This is somebody that I wanted to get to know for a long time and pick his brain. We've got a bunch of mutual friends. And I'm really excited that he's taken a space into sort of beginning to share more of what he's learned in his life and the journey that he's been on, which is a freaking remarkable life journey with some of the most amazing

stories I've ever heard in my life. By the way, he's also an Academy Award winner, best actor. And so if you don't know who he is, you've been living under a rock for a long time. And today we'll unlift that rock and you'll get to know him a lot better than you probably ever have before. So Matthew McConaughey, welcome to the show, brother. Ed, my leg. Good to be here with you, man. Yeah, it's so good to have you, man.

And by the way, just before we get going, I have to tell you, my favorite acting performance of all time is you in Dallas, bias club. That is my favorite role of a leading man. My producers are all notting that I have ever watched any actor in my life was you in that movie. So I just want to tell you that up from. Thank you. That's great to hear that. Thank you. Amazing work, man. And I want to figure out how you got and so good at what you do and how you, you know, life, by the way, write this down guys in the beginning. Then we'll talk about it later. Write down em livein.com. Em livein. LIVINcom, because April 24th, I'm going to tease it now, something miraculous is going to happen.

I can't believe it's going to happen that I'm going to be participating in and listening to myself, but we'll get to that in a minute. So can we get right into your brain, brother? Let's go. Let's go. So I think one of the cool things about personal development and the journey of self-awareness and whatnot is figuring out your identity. And so in preparing for this, I'm like, some of the things you say,

I've not heard ever said this way in self-help personal development, self-improvement. And you said, finding your identity, I'd like you to elaborate on this, is more like a process of elimination than it is discovery. I've never heard that before. Well, we all wanna figure out who we are.

As Bob Dylan says, hey, everyone's their own creation. Just create it. We all want to know what that is. The affirmative way to go forward. How to play offense. But I found that. That's hard, man. That's hard.

What's much easier? And I think the reasonable first step to figure out who are, is this define who we're not. Let's pick out those people places, things we do have it. We have that don't pay us back. That don't feed us tomorrow. That that don't, that don't give us green lights in the future. Those investments that don't have ROI.

Those ones that we keep waking up tomorrow in a little bit of a debit, damn it, I gotta hang over. I had the same amount of drinks at that bar as I have somewhere else, but I gotta worse hang over. Well, maybe there's a conversation people were hanging out with. Eliminate those. And by process of elimination, sheer mathematics

you end up with more room for the things that do feed you. So it's a much easier thing to start pointing at, ah, you know what, I keep doing that and it doesn't pay me back. I'm not getting my compounding asset on that decision or those people placing me eliminate those and by sheer mathematics, we end up with more of what does feed us and pay us back who we are. Yeah. That's something you say that I got interviewed yesterday. That's incredible. I get interviewed yesterday guys. What are the steps of success? And I said to them, in my life, it's been more eliminating the things that were harming my progress. And it was like uncovering this is the key.

You know, it was more like that hurt me. This took my energy away. This depleted me. That didn't serve me exactly what you just said. You use the term green lights, which by the way, uh, that's the title of his book that came out a couple years ago. You should read it. But if you really want to give your gifts, give yourself a gift, get the audio version because you get to hear this voice of his, but like the impressions and the stories and the book are unbelievable, but because it's going to

lead to what you're doing on April 24th, and it's also leads to just really the, really kind of into foundation of some of your belief systems in your work. What is by definition a green light? Being cool to you future self. Making choices that we can engineer green nights. And then sometimes they're mystical. We love green nights. They're the left lane of life. A speed limit, windowed down, feet top open, cruising, we got our direction in a full tank of gas, let's roll. We love them. We're in the right line at the supermarket.

We're in the flow, as it's called. We're right. Things are working out. We're sometimes not even conscious of it. We were just in line and on time. Yes, is the answer. And we're choosing the right things. But it's investments that we make choices we make. I noticed in

writing the book that a lot of successes I had were engineered by habits and choices I make that had consistency. That's what I call a science to satisfaction. I believe there is a science to satisfaction. I noticed what I was eating who I was hanging out with. When I was going to bed, and how I was approaching the day, there were consistencies that led to times my life where I had more joy and more success and was catching more green lights.

I also noticed times where I was in a rut through my journals of, oh, you veered from these tried and true habits that you had that were leading to success and giving you more green lights Oh, let's get back in our lane over here and sure enough More success and green lights that started to crave myself We also get those mystical Green lights where we're just

Man, there's no reason, but there's a lot of rhyme. We met the right person and man, there's no reason but there's a lot of rhyme. We met the right person and damn it if we to, you know, left five minutes later or 30 seconds earlier, we might not have met them. It might not be married with the family we have now or might not have got that job. If we wouldn't have been just right there on that time crossing that person going through that door as they were coming out. Those don't make any sense at the time, but when you look back, they connect the dots to where we are. And that gets into more the art of living. So that's what I call the science of satisfaction leads to the art of living. And what we're going to do on

24th is try and get under the hood to go from the approach that I gave a lot of ingredients more into the process and tools that each of us can hopefully utilize in our own lives, particularly for you or anyone who's, anyone who's going to tune in and say, Oh, I recognize that. Oh, that's an aberration to engineer more green lights. Find that science so we can get better at the art of living. Man, I cannot wait for this event. We're going to talk a little bit about this in a minute, you guys, but just remember this

amlivin.com. You just want to participate, trust me, because you don't get, you know, it's really rare. I'm so excited you've done this and decided to step in even deeper than the book for this reason. Personal development self-help a lot of times is sort of loaded with a lot of theory. And I love theories. I've lived off a lot of these theories, but there's something powerful when someone's applied something in their life that gives it credibility that otherwise might not have because you can back it with

a story or a fact or an anecdote. And that this industry is sometimes polluted to some extent with a lot of theoretical stuff that has them in proven in someone's real life. And you've done this in your real life. And one of the things you talk about with these green lights, or even just having something happen that you and I are both Christians, but we also believe in energy and vibration and frequency and all that stuff. And I think when you're in that flow, that green light mode, there's a vibration to you. There's an energy to you that these things are sort of drawn your way and you are in that flow state.

And there's something so profound you said in the book about the story where you're living with this producer and he basically you tell him, I got to get I got to get an agent. I got to get an agent. So you're kind of like chasing the green light and he said, Hey, man, you're not you need it and you you paint this amazing distinction because I know it's been true in my life between need and want and why is not a real good space to be in. So if you would, if you tell him the story and then the lesson learned from it, it's awesome. Yeah.

I get out to Hollywood with a couple thousand bucks in my pocket. I got a movie out. Days confused, which is really the only resume I have. It's enough to get me in a few doors, but it's not enough to be a lead pipe cinch. Oh, you got it. But I need an agent. I'm in Hollywood. I'm sleeping on this guy's cow's down Phillips the guy I met in a bar in Austin Who gave me the chance to go audition for days confused a year over year earlier. I'm on his couch My money's now into the three digits. I'm below a thousand bucks. I'm starting to get a little like I've been there a few weeks

I'm like, hey, I need I need I need you to get me an Asian meeting? And he snapped at me. Not there. You need it too much. This industry, Hollywood smells need here one and done, buddy. What you need to do is get the hell out of here.

Go with your buddies and go ride motorcycles somewhere. Help pick your up, I don't care. But go somewhere to your quit needing it so much because I probably would smell it. You need it. You're done. You're never in. And I did put on a backpack with my 800 bucks. And I went off with my two good buddies, Roy Cochran-Caus, and we were old motorcycles to Europe. I came back. I wasn't even thinking about an agent.

I was what he called, now you're cool again. Now you're cool. And I was roll along. and he's about a week later after I returned. We're sittin' there at dinner. He always made filet mignon and then had a scoop of hagan daz ice cream for dessert. Oh, he's done. He's since moved on. I love talking about him. And he goes, you're ready. And I go, what? And he goes, tomorrow morning, we got a meeting, William Morris, you're gonna go down. And I was like, oh, cool. Now, five weeks earlier, if he said that,

I'd be like, okay, good, good, man, I got this, okay, I need to, I would have gone into the meeting, they had to smelt my knee, they'd have felt my knee, I'd have leaned outside of myself, I would have oversold myself and probably dorked out and used too many words and not have been myself and overlapped myself and they'd have been like, I'm not sure this guy's really, you know, he's kind of wants it too much needs too much. And instead I went in, believed to myself, had a president about me, you know, didn't oversell myself, but really let them know. No, I actually think you need me as an agent and That made me a more

valuable asset to them. I got an agent and then I did it if it my first two auditions in Hollywood From that agent. I got the job. Did you? Yeah. That's see, don't you think like I think that's that's a Hollywood story, but it's not like if you haven't hard time finding the relationship that you want, everybody's been on that date with that person that just seems to need it a little too much or the sales person like man, everything's good and your need to sell me is getting in the way of me buying it from you. We can smell the salissit. And nobody likes to smell. We all love a good salesman.

But it's like the dirt's gonna bullshit or liar. A bullshit at least kind of winks at you. Father, father, father, tell the tale to let you know, hey, just go with me. And there's something adorable about that, right? Yes, yes. You see someone that needs, and this goes, her my love story with my wife Camilla. When I met her when I saw her move across the room that night, I I had just come

to a place spiritually where I was like, you know what Matthew? Your dream is to be a father. be a father. You may not get married. You may have kids. Now, something about that dream and my relationship with God, there was a grace of God saying, that's okay if that happens. So for the first time in my life, I was like, it's not ideal, but I will be okay with that spiritually. And as soon as that happened, I went from this, looking for her at every Dan Redlight in the produce section, everybody I met, maybe, maybe, I was hunting, I was needing, I was looking for that mate. Well, is it nearer to track it?

As soon as it came to me that like, you may not meet her. And can you be okay with that with yourself, Matthew, and you, and spiritually. And as soon as I was okay with that, I had a present. I was now able to receive love from somebody. I was able to see somebody and they let them see me. And that's when I, that's when she showed up. That's when she came into my life. When I quit hunting, when I quit rubber neck and it had every red light, looking like, maybe the God next me, maybe that's her.

Yeah. You know, I gotta tell you, it's one of those really invisible subtle things that most people don't have any appreciation for is what he's telling you right now, everybody. I'm telling you right now, that need thing is repelling. There's some type of energy that just doesn't work.

I'm curious about you though, because you're a pretty good looking man number one, pelling. There's some type of energy that just doesn't work. I'm curious about you though, because you're a pretty good looking man number one. And you've had some notoriety, I don't know if you're aware of this or not, and a little bit of financial success in your life as well. And so it's interesting to me that you were looking like that when you have all the options in the world number one. But number two, that it seems to me, that family your marriage and your children are such a giant priority from you. And this is something I wanted to ask you. It's really not a lot in the there's parts of this in the book, but there's something I wanted to know about you because a lot of times what we see in our life we end up modeling. So I'm reading about you and I'm like whoa this dude

grew up in a I'm sure it was a loving fan, but is it interesting damn family you grew up in? Am I right? Did your parents were married three times? Married three times is divorced twice. Did y'all just hear that right now? So I've been pretty easy for you to kind of model. I assume that meant there was some chaos happening. Oh hell yeah.

Right? So like share a little bit of that and then are you like conscious of being the antithesis of that? Because I think that's an important thing in life. Like, my dad was an alcoholic. My dad got sober. My dad was an alcoholic, though. And there's a lot of chaos in my life.

And I'm everyone I started out with family. And like, I want peace in our home. I want, I'm gonna talk a little bit in a while about joy because I love that word you use. But I was conscious of sort of trying to create that which didn't exist in my home. Were you? Good question, because I don't ever remember consciously thinking I want to push away from that.

And remind me, come back to this line because I want to tell you, I was told about my mother and why my mother was such a good mother. Okay. She had a stepmother who was horrific. to this line because I want to tell you a story about my mother and why my mother was such a good mother. She had a stepmother who was horrific. Not one bit of good mother. My mom didn't know how to be a mom. All she did is go, I want to be the opposite of that. And she became a great mom. Now I didn't consciously ever think, oh, I don't want to do it how mama dad did. I did say, I'm not looking for that many Tata waves. I'd like a little bit smoother running stream in my relationship. My mom to this day, if you're having a civil, cool conversation where all voices are nice and low

and everyone's coon by yawned, getting along, 15 minutes of that, I bore my mama, my mama will throw a wrench in the situation just to, hey, hey, hey hey spice it up huh she's still that way she's 91 that was her and my dad's relationship they were physical the voice twice married three times what I took from that was hey guess what love one 32 that's what I got from it and And I took from it, I don't need to get divorced

and married twice for a loved one. I want to get married once and let's just, let's roll with that. And do my mom and dad, you know, I'm much more, if I have to raise my voice, I immediately have a trigger goes off my mind, he says, McConaughey, what did you not handle for it to get to this point?

Now, my mom and dad raised a voice a couple of times a week. And that was just part of the conversation. It was like the stereotype of Italians. It was always big and hands and, hey, hey, big and loud. And that's how they communicated. And my mom to this day was saying, no, that's what I needed to communicate. There were no regrets. So we never had a question if we were loved. I never had a question if a mom loved my dad and my dad loved my mom.

I did say, I'm not looking for that rocky of a road. I'd rather not. And fortunately Camilla was someone who was not looking for that either. And the little known fact, a millis parent, my wife now were married twice, divorced three times. Come on man.

They ended up on the divorce side. What are the odds of that though? Like, couples usually don't get married more than one time. Then one marriage between the two of you, there's five marriages and five divorces. That's the same married couple. That's bananas. That is literally bananas. What did you, you wanted to say something about your mom being a good mom? You wanted to make sure you made

a reference to that. Well, that was it. That she, she learned, you know, we, again, process of elimination. What we started off talking about. It's not always what you go to, affirmatively and play offense, it's a lot of times what are we pushing against and defense to get our identity. My mom eliminated, well, I know, no, how to be a mom, but I know I want to be the opposite of that lady who raised me, is what she said, who was a non-grata mom. And so through this day, my mom didn't know what to do. She just said, I'm doing the opposite of how her mom treated her.

And that turned out to be being a great mom. You think that, you know, I was reading your stuff. And I'm like, because I talk a lot about happiness. In fact, my podcast is out today is about happiness. This Harvard study, longest study in the history of mankind, 85 year study, they took a thousand, uh, privilege kids from Harvard University, a thousand young boys, same age from South Boston, under privilege families. And they studied them for 85 years, a

fascinating study about who ended up happier. And you know, who lived longer and who's well being and what made them happy? Actually, one of the kids in the study was JFK No joke. It's an amazing amazing study. It's worth listening to however. It's around happiness and You make this distinction. This is why you're work. It's really unique. You make this distinction between joy and Happiness and and I have never heard this before in my life. To me, they've sort of been very similar things, but you correlate happiness almost to like,

we get happiness if we done something where his joy can be present in a talk about that for a second. This is awesome. So happiness as most of us are taught or as most of us see it, myself included, is result oriented. If then, if I get this, then I will be happy. If I reach this goal, then I will be happy. It's almost like a tada moment.

If I get enlightened, then I will be, ah, I must it, whatever it is. And over and over in my own life and from other mentors and wise men and women in the world, there's no tada moment. There's no hill that you get to the top of and you go, ah, finally, I did it. Because what do you see? All once you get to the top. Matt Thousand Other Hills or another one that's taller that you're like, oh, so you immediately upgrade your iOS of happiness and you project it into the future again for another hill to climb.

So it's a moving target that you're constantly chasing. Now I'm all for the chase and the setting of goals to go reach and the writing of headlines early to tell your story towards that. But what I've noticed is joy is more the verb. Joy is the doing of what we're fashion to do and enjoying the process of the doing. And if we can get out of our mind that there is a finish line, and just enjoy the race, chase ourselves in this race, and go, the best we can do is get to

the end of this life and say, look back and go, well, I didn't make it to the top, but how many stairs did I send? Or how wide did my stairs reach or how deep did my roots grow? Just howl it up. Hopefully we're in the black, hopefully we're in the asset. And if there's life after this, hopefully the prime mover's going well done. But I mean, I think this is good as it gets. It's that it's that it's my problem with extra credits today. 4.2 GPAs and participation trophies. No, 100, the top is as good as it gets. There's no such thing as 110%. Maybe we ought to bring back Ds in school.

You know what I mean? It's like, you're right. It like, if we can make a B plus in this life, that's damn good. Or if we can get, we're never going to make, we're never going to get perfection, we're never going to reach a hundred, we're never going to reach the top of that staircase. And that is what we call happiness that we keep bumping forward. But if we can enjoy the process along the way, I find that you don't

reach lower levels than if you did chase happiness. You actually reached the same levels or more and you had a pretty damn good time on the way. So true. I gotta tell you man, that is wisdom. I uh, I think I figured out a version of that but I wasn't I'm 52 next month. I didn't, it took me till my 40s. And I'm like, wow, this finish line keeps freaking moving. It keeps moving. Like, no, once I've got this or once I got a jet or I'm living at the beach or I've got this award or this many people know me and it kept moving. And I'm like, this is insane. When I, and, and to your point, when I started to give myself the gift of, I thought, man, if I don't keep moving the finish line,

I'm going to lose my drive. I'm going to lose my drive. So this thing, even though it hasn't brought me a lot of blist in my life, it sure keeps me driven and hungry. And if I let go of this finish line mentality, if when I get their thing, I'll lose my drive and ambition. And to your point, I couldn't have been more wrong because when I started to give myself the gift of joy in my home, in life and my emotions on a daily basis, I actually found I

had more energy to pursue the achievements that I want in my life. And I wasn't so damn tired every time I finally got to one of these artificial finish lines. Hey, man. And you know, I hear you on your 40s. 40s were a great customizing decade for me too, where I actually learn to trust. Hey, buddy, if you quit pursuing that actual result, you're not gonna lose your work ethic, you're not gonna lose your drive, you're not gonna lose your want to.

It's just gonna be more natural through the day, it'll actually be more instinctual. And as you say, you don't reach it and go, oh, you gotta get reach it and go, you kind of get up there and you're kind of going, oh, is this it? It's the old, um, who, what's the best round of golf you play? Say your 10 handicap and your, and your, and your, and your five over on 16 T box. You're going to shoot a better round if you don't look at the scorecard. It's so true. You walk an off of 18 green, heading towards the next

T-box and someone asked to remind you, no dude, rounds over. You know, I found it in my career. When I started, I had a little six year run there and even with Dallas Buyers Club, I was not chasing result. I was like, after results, man, I'm, I'm my head's down in the process and let the results be. I got more results when I quit chasing the result. I didn't lose my drive. I worked as hard. I worked definitely worked smarter. There's a great example in that Jared Leto, who won Academy for Best Supporting Actor in

that. Guess when he and I met, rap of shooting on the set the last day that's a rap. We were he was the character I was wrong he was rayon. We we we said hello is wrong around when we met two weeks before we started filming we filmed for five weeks all of sudden they reeled rap that night and he and I looked at the idea and said, okay, see you tomorrow and they did it's like, no, no, no, that's a film rap. There is no tomorrow. And I stopped and looked over and Jared stopped looking me and I walked up and I went, what kind of a, and he goes, Jared, nice to meet you.

Come on. Just head down in the process. So not only are you separating from what the outcome is, you separate from a lot of different things. That is bananas. So you separate from outcome and kind of like, even a crap about what they think also like, like, that's a really hard thing for most people in our culture today, where everything is supposed to be validated. Did this post get a like? Did it not get a like? Did it, you know, this obsession almost with what people are thinking about. I actually think the result obsession is a what people think about me obsession. Like I work with some PGA guys and they're fear of missing a putt. I'm like,

you're not really afraid of missing the putt. You're not even afraid of losing the tournament. You're actually afraid of what people are gonna think about the fact that you missed this putt that you're supposed to be making. This obsession with what are they gonna think? I think also causes us to hyper focus on the result because we want them to think good things about us. We society has this living in the third person.

We're all ready. We're pulling Leon Letz in the Super Bowl. We're returning the kickoff for a touchdown looking at the jumbo tron at the 50. I wonder if we're going to make it on sports center best place. And that's just when we get tackled from behind when we quit behaving and just be doing the behavior of the process and taking the action that we're doing. Look, when I'm doing it, and I think when most people are doing it and in the joy of the process and head down, it's a vacation because it's solely subjective.

It is, I'm on an island. It is literally a vacation to have a singular obsession when you're doing that thing. Now, I understand it's a privilege. I have a wife who, when I go out to, go out the door if it did work, she tells me, I got the kids, don't look over your shoulder, go kick ass.

That's a privilege. I get, I understand that. But when we're taking an action, if we have to do it, or to do it with pleasure and enjoy and stay in the present of the action, it's the, again, it's the, um, pleasure and enjoy and stay in the present of the action. It's the, again, it's the, um, the joy is if you bump the finish line, almost to an unreachable place.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you bump it, you know, Bo Jackson didn't just run across the goal. He ran across the goal line and threw the tunnel. I mean, snipers don't aim at the target. They aim on the other side. Therefore, you never choke when you're on the go line, so to speak, because you're like, no, the finish line, way down there. All of a sudden, something has to tell you, no, you crossed the go line score. You're like, oh, I did. I was going

to, I thought we had to go another 40 yards. Now you're on to something right there, brother. That's that whole concept that when they wrap shooting, you're like, we're wrapped. Right. I'm coming back tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah. I got to tell you, I think what it gives you, maybe, is freedom. I think there's a freedom, it's a freedom when you're totally immersed in a process and not so concerned about results or outcomes. It creates a freedom. And then that science, you can actually navigate in an art form when you're in it. I think that allows the art to sort of take over the energy, the whatever it is, when you're totally free. By the way, are you guys getting this? This is stuff that you don't hear everywhere.

I really, anywhere. And I, you know, look, you're on my show, one of my jobs to say, let me promote, but I gotta tell you something right now, is we're talking, I'm like, I really wanna be a part of this event you're doing. Like I really do. So it's April 24th, they go to EM, live in livi.

livi.n.com. EM. livi.in.com. What are you doing on the 24th? And then we'll get back into stuff here. But yeah, so 9 a.m. April 24th Myself County Robbins Dean Grazielski Trent Shelton and Mary for Leo

We're going to get under the hood of some of the stuff we've been talking about You know Tony and Dean came to me and said that he really appreciated the approach book that is I call Greenlight's is. Maybe when I look, would you like to dig deeper and start defining a process, create tools that we can share that can be transformative for people and individuals in their own lives, make it even more personal so people can apply it in their own life So I was like damn right I would and so that's what we're going to be getting under the hood of on the 24th and You know as I said the science satisfaction

I believe leads to the art of living. It's like knowledge and wisdom and the the art of living is up to each of us individually. You know, you talked about earlier. Sometimes it's theories. I'm not interested in hallmark cards and pepper alleys, you know, because what do they do? They last, they last, maybe a day or two and that's it. That's right. But I really think we're going to be able to share some tools and that's it. But I really think we're going to be able to share some tools that with some introspection and a little effort can be proven to work in your life. Not just mine. And another thing I want to say is I'm not making straight A's on all this stuff either. I'm work. I'm working on it. And we all know if we're trying to get better and trying to be more ourselves. We got job security.

You know what I mean? That's so good. That is so good. You know what I mean? Yeah, but I'm going to tell you something. You're not making straight A's, but you actually know what the report card looks like. And that's one of the things. Just give you an example. I'm going to tell you something. I'm so made me feel better that I learned that there was a science and an art behind your achievement. I think a lot of times, even in my own case in business, there's a part of it. Obviously, you're an amazingly hardworking gifted actor, but God gave you some good looks, gave you this swag or gave you this amazing voice. There's certain things you got, right?

And I think it's easy when you watch, even for me, some like, I'm like, I got a little bit of the, kind of got a little lucky. And I'm not saying there's a blessing and luck involved in life. But then when I started to read about your work and I read the book and I'm listening to your stuff and I'm preparing for the interview, I'm like, whoa, wait a minute here. This is a man who's lived a very intentional existence, very intentional existence. We'll talk a little bit more about that in a minute. But not only are you not getting straight A's neither am I by the way, but I kind of have a concept of how I grade myself and you've come up just to give you an idea of everybody what'll happen the 24th when you just listen to this one little thing. You kind of have

like five areas you grade yourself on like almost every single day, right? Do you remember what those are? The five areas are, I think there's five, but different things Five, so the career, health, family, uh, relation with God and uh, was it husbandry and in father and friends, friends, friends, right. So I'm checking in on my credits and debt. I'm trying to keep the five in the black. And we all know that man, when our careers really cruising, the old fatherhood and husbandry can start slipping into the red, friendship can kind of go into the debit section. I don't see a way to keep them all at peak condition. But it's

just again, checking, don't let them, don't let one, I'm dropped too low into the red. Go tin that garden and pull some weeds on that one that's dropping into the red, even though you don't think you have time sometimes. And I got to get better. I've faltered on friendships. I think mostly in probably the last 10 years, that's understandable with the family and stuff.

Most of my friends understand, but I could have been a better friend and I can be a better friend. You know, I have to watch Rears Rowland and I'm jamming and I'm just like, let's go, let's go, let's go. I got to check in with my health. I got to make sure that I'm keeping my mind, my body, my spirit healthy. Make sure I remind myself. And especially when things are rolling well, remember to bend the knee and say some thank you and be number two and be look around and appreciate what you got in your life. Family, you know, sometimes you get kids and the life becomes about the kids. And guess who the kids wouldn't be here without their mama wife got to work on the husbandry stuff. Yeah, damn it I got about that a date. I thought we were all just kids because the kids need us

But I didn't think you did oh, yeah, you do too. I need you to got a check in sometimes the kids are going great And then in the relationship with the the spouse didn't go in as well So it's trying to keep all of those in the black or at least not letting any of them get too low into the red. I love that analogy. And here's what it is. It's like just if you don't have some kind of system or process to which you check these things, you do, you know, interesting. When I heard that piece of content from you, I've asked that question to a lot of my, I just did it in an interview I just completed with Mauricio Yamanski, runs a big real estate office called the agency.

His wife's Kyle Richards from Beverly Hills, Housewives. Anyway, and I asked him about those five areas and it's interesting. He said, yeah, probably friendships have slipped the most. And in my case, definitely friendships are the thing that slipped the most and sounds like that in your case as well. But just to have a report car where I'm like, hey, it's slipping. Let me send some messages to my buddies. Maybe let's schedule a trip. Let's do something. Let's just not just maintain things, but make sure that I'm actually adding deposits to these accounts, so to speak, not always just making withdraws

all the time. You know what a good tip is. It's a simple one that that has done wonders and has been and had a friend remind me of this two years ago. And it goes back to that early thinking about not needing, not always soliciting. It's so easy to just send a hey, thinking about you, how you doing, to a friend. You don't, because when do we use a callers, we had, we hadn't called them off, but we need time. We need it, right? But just sit and they call back, oh, yeah, everything's good. Where do you need nothing, man? Just checking that goes so far. Oh, it goes and I know it because I've received some of those from my friends that are going, not

I need nothing. I just checking on him like, oh, thanks, man. Okay. Yeah. That's just still there. You know, one little thing I've been doing in that, by the way, that's better. But one little thing we're doing instead of texting and I'm doing that exact thing. I'll do in the morning. I doing instead of texting and I'm doing that exact thing. I'll do in the morning, I do five of these. I do it once a week. I was doing it every day. And I just, there's some things you put up system

in place like I can't maintain this every day. You know what I mean? So I try to do things now like I can maintain. So it's Mondays, but every Monday, and I'm pretty good about this now. Mondays, I do five little videos to my friends. I'll say, hey man, thinking about you this morning, I love you.

We haven't touched base in a while. I just want you to know your on my heart. I said a prayer for you just now this morning. Hope you have a blessed week. Just so they see my face, feel my spirit a little bit. And I feel like I've done better than just send them a text or not doing it at all. And it's more and the reason was two years ago, I read this book called green lights. And I'm like, Hey, I got to maintain this area.

I went and watched a YouTube video of yours. Maybe you're given like even a college graduation. I don't know what it was. Oh, that commencement speech. Maybe it was. Yeah, I think it was that. But anyway, I give you credit for that. But it's just a different level of it is making that video that I do. I do that. That's cool. That's a great idea. And how easy is it to do? Right. How good to feel to do? And you know how good it feels to land on there. On that Monday morning and going.

Good, right on. That's pretty damn cool. What about why's the word unbelievable a bad word? This is awesome. The silly word. Unbelievable is a silly word. Why? It was silly.

Unbelievable. Geez, we throw that around. We we use it we call awesome things unbelievable we thought be beautiful we thought we call unbelievable sunset wow so beautiful unbelievable run god what an athlete unbelievable I think way just they just did it They just did it. Unbelievable. We're going to war over there. Unbelievable that earthquake happened. The beautiful and the tragic side. We throw it around loosely. And it's silly because we're removing ourselves from reality.

We're living unbelievable, let you live in a false extra credit. You don't appreciate the miracles and the beauty of everyday life. moving ourselves from reality. We're living unbelievable, let you live in a false extra credit. You don't appreciate the miracles and the beauty of everyday life, and you don't give credit to the evil mankind can possess. It's a fool's word. Nothing is unbelievable. It just happened.

And if there's one thing in what comes to people, when we use it with people, I was, oh, man, unbelievable. See, he stood me up. He stole my cash. And there's one thing you can depend on people being people. And people are unbelievable things gratitude and testament to the things that we see that are awesome and our lives, the great play, the great success, the great

beauty. It's also giving credit and looking in the eye, the tragedies of the world and the things that we will, the evil mankind can possess. It's unbelievable. We better sober up. And in that truth, I think is a much is is is we deal much better unbelievable kind of lets us off the hook. You're right. I never even thought about it that way. Do you? I just don't think I want to submit it.

Yeah. I started. Yeah. I've gone to awesome. Debounds. That's my new thing. I go. I've gone to awesome. Awesome. This awesome because I was, no, I'm serious. I think words, I think language has power. I think it informs your filter of your world, of your life. Good thing, I think if something's unbelievable, somebody else did, then it's impossible for me to do it. And I don't want to believe that it's not believable. I want to believe that it's possible.

Right. It just happened. Believe it. It just happened. I just sing the dude score. He just did that 360 dunk. They just sang that song, right? It actually happened. It is actually believable. No, you're a million percent right. Do you worry? You're a warrior. Do I worry? Do I worry? I...

Yeah, I think I worry. I know I have... I know I'm concerned with my future, with my kids' future, with our family, with the world's future, with the United States future. I have concerns and I project, I try and project and I try to engineer ways within a household or ways of sharing and speaking with others that I think can be restorative or or or or or or give a higher percentage of getting the outcome that I think would be the best or the most constructive, the most useful,

the most healthy from my family. And the world happened. Or my plan goes it's the fan, you know, find out your kids are actually DNAs more than the environment they're in and you can have as much control about who they were as you thought and they do their own thing and hopefully whether it's in the family or whether it's in the world when things don't go the way we hope they should or would be the most constructive and healthy. Hopefully those are stages and they're not fake or complete that it's not like, oh, that's how it is now. I don't, hey, what I don't worry about. I'm not looking forward to it, but I don't worry about that. I'm not looking forward to it, but I'm damn excited about what might

happen when it happens. And, but I don't worry about, I'm not in a rush to, I don't work hard to avoid it. I don't go looking for it. I'm not a fool. I'm not looking to get out of here early. Or I'm looking to get out of here on time. I'm also not working my tail off to try and go, I necessarily want more time. I think it would be good for all of us,

and not just in the death and eulogy question, but in life every day is, we're told, more is quantity, quantity, quantity, more years, more money, quantity. It's a vertical ladder. We don't give enough room for defining quality in quality. And if quantity doesn't, if the quantity we're chasing, whether it's years or money, whatever, doesn't give more quality to our lives than we're using the wrong

calculator. And so I am of the the I'd rather live, you know, 60 happy and healthy than than 120, not whether that's 80 or 140, whatever that's going to be. So it's around about way of saying I don't I don't that's one of the things I don't worry about. I do everything I can to to to stay healthy and alive. And I'm not looking. Look at your trouble, but. I think one of the reasons though, that you don't and that many do,

is that my dad passed away about two years now. And I've had some friends recently get ill that are in really difficult positions. And what I have found with most people that are afraid of death or regret things in their life, most regrets are acts of omission. Things we didn't try, things we didn't experience, not mistakes we've made.

And it's really interesting because so many people have these fears of making a mistake or what they think is a failure. And I think at the end of life, they're afraid of it. Most people, because they never really experienced new things, tried difficult things, put pressure on themselves, challenge themselves. And it appears to me that you live,

are living a life where you are, you're seem to be kind of interested in the expansion of your being, the expansion of you as a man and what you can understand about yourself and others in life and you try things and even this, what you're doing on the 24th seriously, stepping into this, you know, sharing what was in all these journals you wrote over the years, you know, that you're not going to end up at the end of this life, whenever it is with a bunch of omitted options or chances you didn't take.

You think that's probably part of it? 100% look, I don't like failing do I have a certain fear of failure sure But I tell you what keeps me up at night Not knowing Not finding out That sucks. I can't I can't sleep I can't, I can't, I can't sleep. That regret.

And as much as I don't like failing, I know that I would rather fail and have found out than sit there and stay up at night, pushing Dylan. That was right there. I didn't want to know. That, that, that, that makes my

mullers crunch. And mostly minor crunching right now, as you said it seriously. that baby was right there. I didn't want to know. That, that, that makes my mother's crunch. And lastly, minor crunching right now, as you said, it's seriously, it's exactly what I was doing. It's not that, that's a feeling I don't like. I did. I, I, I, and, and look, we talked about it earlier. We're in a world that's judging us all the time. You know, you may have heard this, this, this, and you, you were talking about the jump, but living in the jumbo tron, living like, how's it gonna look,

or how's it gonna feel? You're here, that study they did that, I don't know, it was 20 years ago, that the highest dopamine was performing the act, getting to the top of the mountain. The second, then two, five years later, what was a higher dopamine hit was recording, being proof of the act,

and then five years after that, it was pressing sin to share it, had the highest dopamine hit was recording, being proof of the act. And then five years after that, it was pressing sin to share it at the highest dopamine hit. So we're looking for this approval. And the world today is right there to be honest, to give us a thumbs up or thumbs down. And we can get falsely exaggerated by the thumbs up from the lunches strangers,

especially with our kids. Their identity can be formed on this thing by a bunch of strangers going, with our kids, their identity can be formed on this thing by a bunch of strangers going, yes, cool, or no, uncool. And that or that depends on what kind of day they're going to have. So true. Oh, so I got a feeling we're going to, we're going to get to a spot, or at least we all will be at that spot when we're at the end of our days. Look back and go, oh, why did I hesitate at that false veil of Kool-Aid of approval? I was looking at that. It was a mirage.

That wasn't real. And I, and I placated to it and I held back because I didn't want the bruise and I didn't want to take the risk because I didn't want to get the thumbs down, so to speak. And I think we're going to see that that was a bunch of... Well, shit. It was. That's remarkable to hear from somebody who's, you know, let's be real. You're mainly in an industry that is probably the most prolific

in terms of what other people think or likes or reviews or my gosh, like you have been bred in an industry that like that's like almost seems like that's the culture of the industry is that it's very difficult. I heard you say one time that even sometimes in the Hollywood industry if you mention your faith or something like that that almost heads drop like because that isn't the cultural thought that's really true, huh? Yeah, you'll get some, not a consensus. More, look, I think privately, you get more.

Whether they're believes or not. But when you're doing it publicly, you get that kind of, we're going there. I would say you'll get a few, you get a bit of that we're going there. I look at you, you'll get a few, you get a bit of that, like, yeah, but then, oh, Jumbo, John, third person, not the place of time. I don't wanna look happy about that.

Actually, I'm gonna put my hands in. Interesting. You see the projection of, wait, how would it might that be, Percy? Interesting. And I don't judge something for that. She's kind of, how it is a little bit. You said though something about you that stays on this.

This is flowing perfectly, by the way, so thank you. But there's this quote I read of you said, I'd rather be a good man than a nice guy. Yes. And I think it goes to this point to some extent about standing for something. And so elaborate on that because I think, you know what, when you've not had a lot of results in your life and maybe you lack a little bit of think, you know what, when you've not had a lot of results in your life and maybe you lack a little bit of confidence, you just want to blend in and you will be a nice guy.

And you said, no, I'd rather be a good man. What's that mean? It's a little bit of, I also say in the book, be less impressed, more involved. Yeah. Right. Nice guy. Not a bad thing to be. But you are just connecting the safe dots, staying in the lines, kind of wearing whatever hat the parties wearing, being whoever the

conversation listener with and kind of being what you think they might want you to be. You're not involved. You're not really involved. You're not having an opinion. You're not saying, actually, I disagree in the face of the masses that might have a different opinion. Just kind of keeping it safe, not being an asshole, you're not destructing the place, but being a nice guy, a nice guy all the time can, what is your identity? You gotta have judgment to have identity. And nice guys don't even have a judgment or discernment. No, I'd prefer this over this. Nice guys, I was going, whatever, whatever, you know, and a good, a good man has

to sacrifice things, has to take some risk and take some responsibilities and follow through on them and know it may not be popular, but is it popular in his soul at 2 a.m. alone in his bed? And does he have, do we have the courage to take that into the daylight? As Emerson says, tomorrow when the blot lights are on and you're in the stadium, do we have the courage to go? I know that's true. I don't know, and I know this is, I know this is true. I'll follow up on this in the face of adversity. A good man doesn't go looking for trouble. I think a good man, as you said, omits, placating, hmm, to certain temptations that you go,

nah, that just be being either a tyrant or on the other end of the scale, I'd just be being a nice guy. You know, it's got a, here's what it. Everything's got everything got a cost to something. Everything does cost us something. And I think a good man, a good woman, will put their ass along line for the cost. And it's worth more.

The credit or the debit, the winner looks, it's worth more. That currency is worth more. It's sterling. It ain't, it's not fictional. Money out there. It's not monopoly money. A nice guy is kind of playing with monopoly money. Eh, okay. It's not monopoly money. Nice guy's kind of playing with monopoly money

Ah Okay, it didn't really matter Come see come saw Yeah, and I don't know that's just gonna get it Also be more boring more boring and I think it comes I've just never heard it termed that way So here's how profound that was for me. My son went off to college. I read your book, my son went off to college. And I said, this is in our house now,

just to give you some credit for something. I said to my son, I said, Max, and you're going off to college, you can give your kids advice. I said, Max, be a good man, don't be a nice guy. And what that meant in our world was, hey, man, when you're confronted with something where you need to fit in and do something

that's against your character and your values and beliefs, you don't need to be a nice guy. You need to be a good man, right? Something comes up and you need to stand up for something that you believe in. Be a good man. Don't be a nice guy, you know? And that's, I think it manifests itself in every single area of life. I think it's a profound thing. Be a good person, right?

You know, rather than just a nice person. Have a life of value. And I think where that comes from, this is why they think this event's so important. I think when you decide you're gonna just be a nice guy and kind of blend in, you are now living with a false belief that you weren't born to do something great with your life. And you're supposed to exist.

I think when you start to have this knowing that I'm supposed to do something great with my life, I'm supposed to make a difference. I'm supposed to have something, doesn't life. I'm supposed to make a difference. I'm supposed to have something. It doesn't have to be in big, whatever people measure is big ways, big academy awards, small you open the door for somebody who needs it. They're both great things in your life, right? And so I think people start to blend in the minute they begin to believe they've got no

destiny. They've got nothing to offer. They've got nothing to contribute. And then all of a sudden, that's the disease. The symptom is they become a nice guy. The symptom is they fit in. Don't you think? Yes, I do. This leads me into something that there's a word that I think's been getting a few words that I think been getting a bad rap for a while. Nobody will uncover some of those in the 24th if we don't cover me today. But one is this ego has been getting a bad rap. We got to have

ego. When I said earlier, you got to have judgment to have identity with everything's personal. We got to have an ego, a sense of eye, an understanding, a subjective experience in this life. That doesn't mean that the exception of a collective experience or the collective good. It's why I believe in the word selfish, but truly selfishness, the definition of selfishness is the true definition. I believe it's not excluding what your neighbor needs, but it is, I believe we're truly more selfish, that that's how we are and can become more self less, that it all goes through the vessel of the eye before it gets to the

we. And there is, those are not a contradiction. The choices we can better best for ourselves, that are not constructive, that will pay us back longer in the future, are usually the choices that are best for the most amount of people. And we make this contradiction like no ego, kill the ego, I get rid of it. And no, don't be selfish. Well, and everything we do personal. It's got to go through us to go out to share personal. It's gotta go through us to go out, to share it. It's gotta mean, it's gotta cost us something. You're right.

There's our right. I just elaborate, my friend Rob Deer Dick and I were talking about this. We're saying, hey, at one point, we're talking about how like, hey, man, I don't have any other addicted, I'm not addicted to significance anymore. We're all lying to each other. Hey, I have no significance.

And over time, we kept saying this to each other. And I'm like, that really true. I have no significance needs in my life anymore. That's a damn lie. Of course I do. I still want significance. I still want validation. I still want to feel good about myself.

What has happened is the way in which I gain significance has changed. And to your exact point, so no one's ever said that ever in 500 episodes on the show. But my selfish need for significance, I feel most significant when I'm contributing to another person. But it went through the eye so that I could help the way. Man, you're right about that. It's is it okay?

It is okay for me to say a large part of what I love about Camille and I shared it with the Just Keep Living Foundation is how good it makes me feel to receive their thanks. Yes, that's okay. Am I doing it just for that? No, but that goes through me and does help me make me want to do more and give more opportunity to these young men and women to say that no, I can't feel good but that doesn't make me feel good to receive that gratitude would be a lie. Speak of play bullshit. And again, with a two reciprocate, I think that's the honey hole. And you just said it.

What makes you feel more significant doing something for others? Look, I think we've got to admit some of this stuff. Like, you know, no one wants to say they're vain. I'm vain. I'm vain. I'm vain. Yeah, I've got yourself looking in the mirror maybe an extra two or three times. Okay, great. I could argue that it's helped me maybe be in better shape. If there's if there's a group of somebody more than if they're not jogging through the park. Vanity, I don't know. And just saying, hey, that's based. Hey, that's okay. But is it feeding

something? I wish it could, look, it'd be great to be human and be so pure and unattached and detached that it's all absolutely for pure reasons. I'm not that evolved. I think it's better to say I don't think most of it's that evolved and that's okay. Here's how right you are. By the way, if you take that to the extreme, it's like a cop out for not achieving anything and not doing anything. So you can take some of these belief systems that are there's no ego, there's no significance. I don't want anything for me. And that's the actual reason you're using as an ex it's not true. He just using as an excuse now. You should unpack more of that on the 24th. What you just said.

Because the other thing you said earlier, I want to say one thing you said earlier that was a great nuance. I asked if you worried and you said, well, I have concerns. And I think those are different things. Like, I, this quote you had where you said, I've had many crises in my life, most of which never actually happened. To me, that's worry, right? That's, that's, that's debilitating thought. Whereas concern is constructive and productive because you're being proactive almost and creating a solution. So I think that would be something to really understand. Yeah, I'm not again coming off of the heels of thinking that unbelievable shouldn't be the dictionary. I don't worry because it's like, well, I'm not going to be nothing that's

going to happen. Am I going to go unbelievable. So I don't, I don't worry. Uh, I am concerned more about things that I have some control over. If I don't have control over it and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, I say this all the time, it's like, why I'm, my parents are like, why is it relaxed on a plane? I go because I'm, why I, if something happens to pilot, I'm pretty damn sure. I'm not even in the top 10 of the next best person to fly a plane. I go because, and why, if something happens to the pilot, I'm pretty damn sure. I'm not even in the top 10 of the next best person

to fly the plane. So I can't do anything about it. So I'm like, it's a net, whatever, I'm relaxed. Now, if I have a pilot slice, and I might be a little more concerned and worried about what I'm flying the plane, cause I'm like, something goes down here. I might be the next guy out.

So good. So good. So freaking good. Oh my gosh. That is so good. Let me ask you this. I wish we had three hours, but that's why they're going to get April 24th with you. I've enjoyed this brother. So freaking much. Because when you're around somebody who lives intentionally, a little bit of a contrarian thinker, but there's truth to what they say. It causes you to look at yourself more deeply. And that's really what's happening to me when we've been talking when I was prepping for this and what I know will happen to a lot of people on the 24th. But I'm, I think if you would allow your ego to speak for a minute in the last question,

you have achieved a lot, brother. You've had a lot of good things happen in your life. And there are a lot of people who will come to the 24th or a listen to the show today. There's millions of people that are already sharing this episode all over the place. I can tell you that for sure because they're like, you need to hear this conversation. And they'd like to achieve whatever their version of their dream is, whether that's they want to be a millionaire, they want a dream relationship. they'd like to own their own home, start their own foundation. You've made a bunch of dreams come true in your life, but it comes at an expense. You said earlier,

there's a cost. Yeah. Did becoming you an Academy award-winning actor, everybody knows you, got some bucks, people are talking about you running for president, right? Like that's a, that's, they're not a lot of people. People are going, maybe he should run for president. Has it been what you thought it would be? And is it all it's cracked up to be? Is it worth it? Or is it just completely different than you thought?

Well, let me introduce the second part first. Is it worth it? And it's got to be. I mean, it must be for me to argue it not being worth it would be. I'd be an arrogant fool. Because I'm not equipped with it. Who might it say worth it? It's like there's been earn and deserve

that I like the word deserve. Is it worth it? You have better be. It's kind of up to me. Now the first question is what I expected. It's never. I'm big. You're talking about it in 10th of May.

And I love writing headlines. I could probably count on one hand when I showed up and then said, yeah, let's keep the headlines saying. Or yeah, that's the headline on the story I wrote. Headline always changes. It's always different. Been around it. Been, oh yeah, yeah, I see how those are related.

That was the gender direction we headed out on. You know, we picked our course, our North Star. But we swirved along the way, we took a few exits and we got to the same place, not the headline, not a star of love thinking that, not the destination, I thought it didn't end up bad, but yeah, they're related. Let me tell you a little stories might, might answer that in a backhand way. When I go to work with someone on a film, a director, what am I looking for? I'm looking for a similar measure of what we deem excellent and true. They're directing, they're selling the entire ship, I'm in charge of my man, my character.

I'll do this thing about in the middle of the second week where say we do 10 takes. And I go, okay, let's go to the monitor, let's watch all 10 takes. I'm going to write down the three that I think are the truest and the most excellent. And you directly, you write down what you think. And I'll write down second half of take two, first half of take three, first half of take four. And I won't show. And then they'll watch and they'll write theirs down. And then we swap papers.

Now if they write second half of take seven, and take 10 I'm like, uh oh, we're not seeing a measure of excellence. But if they write second half take two first half take three first half take four I'm like, woo okay, I trust you going forward. We're going to have differences depending but we have a similar measure of excellence. It's like a relationship. We're different, but let's have a similar moral bottom line. You know, find out what's our baseline we can rely on.

Is it everything I thought it would be? I didn't, a lot of my stuff, I did not, I'd done my best not to forego. That's why I would do a JK living means, with no G on the end. I've always felt like as much as I respect and I'm honored to have the career I have, I never, I always remind myself, you were a mammal, a citizen, an American, a maconnaie before you were famous. So don't let that famous get in front of any of these things. You're right as a human or who you want to be as a man.

Don't let something else that you may be overly impressed with. Matthew getting the way of who you were before you even got here. So I do stress test that often. And I don't want to, I don't want my, my, what I do for my vocation to dictate the man I am, the man I am, have I grown if I've all done it, do I want to learn from it, do I want to learn from other people and I do all the time, damn right. But I, but I, but not to, not the sacrifice of what I know helped me get here. And where I want to go.

Does that answer your question at all? I feel like I'm sitting in a master class for like an hour with you today. Yeah, it does. And I relate to what you just said too in my way and my world and my version of it. I always when someone's teaching things or saying things, those through, put it through my 52 year barometer of what I've experienced and I've seen, whether I've validated is true. And this is one of the most true conversations I've ever had on the show.

I'd really love it if you would come back in a year or so. And we could do this again. Yeah, I'd love to. This is fun. Like I said, the only trouble with this is not going four hours. Yeah, well, I want to go four hours. And by the way, I'm gonna keep saying this, but I don't push a lot of things on the show. Someone has a book, going four hours. Yeah, well, I want to go four hours. And by the way, I mean, I'm gonna keep saying this,

but I don't push a lot of things on this show. Someone has a book, I'll say, hey, listen, I read this book, it's great, but I really do think that this event you're doing on April 24th could impact. I imagine what the show's done for you all already, everybody. I mean, I already know what's gonna happen with the show's gonna be shared everywhere

because there was not a wasted second. And I got the same feeling as gonna happen on the 24th. I just, I think every part of that will be extremely valuable and I love what you said. You're not getting a's in all these areas either. So you're working through these things with people as you take them through it. You got some good people. This guy Tony Robbins knows a little bit about what he's doing. A Marie and Trenton Dean are all great friends of mine and they all make a massive difference in the world. And so do you. This is really amazing of you to take all of the success and experiences and understandings and awarenesses you've developed in your lifetime and be willing to share it with everybody, man. And today was a real blessing for me, and I can't

wait for the 24. So thank you for today. Thanks for having me, and thanks for the platform to talk about these things. I like forward. I'll come back anytime. And let's do it again. Yeah. You'll be I got a funny feeling that there'll be another version of you a more expanded version of you a year from now. And I'd like to tap that brain then. Hope so. Orking out the riddle. Trying to work out the riddle. Yeah, trying to get aize, but we're at least we know how we're keeping score go to

Em live in Ellie I An calm E.M. L. I. V. I. N. dot com she can get some more mcconnaume in your life on the 24th brother. Thank you. It was awesome I'd appreciate it. Just keep it right brother. All right, brother. God bless you everybody share this episode max out your life take care This is the endmila Show.