THE ED MYLETT SHOW - Stop Chasing Validation That’ll Never Fill You With Tim Tebow & Demi-Leigh Tebow

Episode Date: November 4, 2025

There are a few conversations that stop me in my tracks, and this was one of them. Sitting across from Tim and Demi-Leigh Tebow, I wasn’t just speaking to a Heisman Trophy winner and a former Miss Universe. I was sitting with two people who live out their faith with more authenticity, humility, and conviction than almost anyone I’ve ever met. What struck me most is how both of them, despite the platforms they’ve been given, have had to wrestle with identity, comparison, loss, and purpose, just like the rest of us. Tim shared the heart behind his new book Look Again and what it really means to understand your worth through God’s eyes, not the world’s. When he said, “We use people and value things, instead of valuing people and using things,” it hit me hard. He reminded us that every single human being carries the image of God, that you’re not just bearing His image, you are His image. You are royalty. That truth changes how you see yourself and how you see others. Demi opened up about her journey from wearing the Miss Universe crown to realizing that she had attached her identity to it and the freedom she found when she handed it back. She also shared the raw pain of losing her father just days before our conversation and how she’s choosing faith in the middle of heartbreak. Her story is one of strength, surrender, and trust, choosing not to ask “Why?” but “Where?” Where is God working this together for good? That perspective will change how you face every challenge in your own life. We also talked about something that’s destroying people quietly, comparison. Tim reminded us that comparison kills joy. You can’t be grateful and envious at the same time. And Demi shared her own powerful insight: when you scroll through social media, you’re often letting people who don’t love you speak into your life. It’s time to take back that space and fill it with truth. And perhaps most moving of all, we dove into the heart of their work through the Tim Tebow Foundation, serving the most vulnerable around the world. From survivors of human trafficking to children with special needs, they’re proof that when you stop and see people the way God does, everything changes. You don’t need a big platform to make a difference, you just need a willing heart. Key Takeaways: How to find your true identity and worth through God’s eyes Why comparison kills joy and how to break free from it How to find hope and peace in the middle of loss The difference between bearing God’s image and being His image How small acts of compassion can create massive change in someone’s life This is one of those conversations you’ll feel deep in your soul. If you’ve ever doubted your worth, questioned your faith, or wondered if God still sees you, this one’s for you. Max out your life. Also don’t miss out on MAXOUT2026: Once a year, I open my home for an intimate one-day experience unlike anything else I do. This year, I’m making it even smaller, just 12 to 15 people. Together, we’ll dive deep into the exact strategies I use to plan, visualize, and design the best year of my life and yours. If you’re ready to Max Out your future, join me at Maxout2026.com for a life-changing day you’ll never forget. You can dive deeper into Tim and Demi’s message by getting their new books. Grab Tim’s Look Again at timtebow.com/lookagain and Demi-Leigh’s Knowing Who You Are Because of Who God Is devotional at demitebow.com/devo. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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afford to do, go to maxout-226.com, and I'm looking forward to having you in my home with me very soon for an amazing day, a life-changing day. God bless you. This is The Admiral Show. All right, welcome back to the show, everybody. So I've done about 800 interviews. and it's not often that I start out by saying, here's who these two people are. He is the greatest college football player of all time, in my opinion, and she was Miss Universe.

So that's where we're starting. Beyond that, let me tell you who these two people really are. I've got to know the gentleman to my left pretty well over the last few years, and he's a five-time best-selling author. He's an analyst on television for football with ESPN, an incredible philanthropist. He is, in my opinion, the greatest college football player of all time. And I can honestly tell you in knowing him,

None of those are the things that come to mind when I think about him. When I think about him, I think about somebody who's a great champion for Jesus Christ. He's a great man of God. And when you meet him, he's such a good dude. You're thinking there's got to be a chink in the armor there somewhere. And as I've got to know him, he's an even better person than my expectations. And I admire him and I love him very much. He's somebody that I actually look up to in many ways of my life.

And in his beautiful wife's case, she has unbelievable work she's been doing. She's got a book that we're going to talk about in a minute. she's a brand new mother she is very involved in the tim tibo foundation which is a foundation i can't get off my mind after some of the things he shared with me the photos etc and they're just a power couple they're just two people that i really look up to they're also neighbors of mine now demi and tim tibo welcome to the show thank you so much brother so appreciate you in your heart and thanks for having us and i love the last time we got to together and got to talk and share and I'm excited about this time.

And it's so excited Demi can be with us. I am too, man. I got to tell you. Let me tell me other books first because you need to go get these books. Because number one, he's written five best edges. You know that you have five of these? Doesn't matter. And this one's coming out on November 2nd, depending on when you watch it.

But the title of the book is Look Again. We're going to talk about that today. You taking a look again. Recognize Your Worth, Renew Your Hope, and Run with Confidence. And in Demi's case, my wife's read your book. And it's a devotional is what it really is a 100-day devotional, correct? Her book is called Knowing Who You Are Because of Who God. is a hundred days to unbreakable faith.

That's kind of where I want to start. I want to start with you. The more I've traveled and done speaking over the years, you meet people, and they don't all feel so great about themselves. And I feel like the world sometimes can lie to us about who we really are. Instagram, social media, the messages you get. What do you think, Demi, of all the work you've been doing with this and probably the thousands of messages you get, particularly for women, like, what's some of the lies that they

buy into about who they really are that causes them to think they're not qualified to do something great in their life. Yeah, Ed, you know what? I think it's a question that I speak out of experience. You know, I'm so honored to have been able to carry the title as Ms. Universe and to represent my home country, and it was one of my life's greatest blessings. But I think that came with confusing my platform for my purpose. And you think that the moment that had the biggest impact on my life was the moment that I got that crown, right? The moment that you get that achievement. That's supposed to set you up. They're supposed to make you feel amazing. But I think the moment that impacted me most was the moment I handed that crown back. And I walked off that

stage, you know, you come at the end of the year, you have to crown the next very worthy, very rightful winner. And I walked off that stage at night feeling like I forgot something, like I left something, very important behind. Kind of like how you get to the airport and you're like, do I have my passport? Is it there? You know? And it took me a year or two to really figure out what that was. And I realized that the moment I handed over that crown to the very rightful. next winner, I also handed back my identity, my worth, my value, because I had attached that to that crown. And, you know, you might never have won a spark a crown or, you know, anything to that extent before. But I think there is a time in all of our lives where we attach so much

worth and value to maybe being a mom, maybe being a parent and then you become an empty nester and you face with that same question. Maybe you're leaving that corner office for a retirement package. you're faced with that, what's next question? And this book is really based on the truths that God tells us about who we are because of who he is. And as image bears of God, as we learn in Genesis, that is something that we get to hold onto. And I have found that when we hold onto who he is, it shows us who we are. And it makes our faith unbreakable. It makes our purpose more clear and our identity secure. It's interesting because both of your books are sort of heading in the same direction about this identity thing obviously in your case too i mean

everywhere you go you're tim tibo right i mean and and i know you were raised in a particular way but let's just be honest everywhere you go you're getting reinforced because of football because you're on tv even maybe because of the foundation which is something you still do it's service but it's and in your book you talk about i want to just unbreak this right in the beginning because it's powerful about royalty and our real identity's right you know grounded in this royalty concept. So first, have you struggled with that ever? Of course. And then what is this concept of royalty in the book? I've struggled so much and so many times in my life of also putting my identity in the wrong things, wrong places, putting worth in the wrong places of

losing perspective. What does perspective mean? Just comes from a Latin word meaning to look through and I couldn't look through what all the world was telling me into what God had for me and how God saw me and look again really is a wake up call for all of us starting with myself to fight the lie that some lives matter less to be to embrace the truth that human worth is fixed that we don't get to pick and choose that we don't get to pick and choose who's valuable right and we don't get to pick and choose when they're valuable and our value isn't based on the things that we do for society that are valuable to them our value is based on on God creating us in his image, on purpose, and for a purpose, in love, by love, and for love.

And talking about royalty, why it was such a big burden, blessing, and privilege for me to write this was started about four years ago. And I knew I was supposed to. We were at Night to Shine about four years ago. Can you tell them what Night to Shine is just really quickly? because if they don't know, if you want to get, if you want a good cry, I mean. I was just starting to get much as I'm thinking about it. Just tell them what that is. I didn't mean interrupt you, but no, no, no, no.

It's a worldwide celebration for individuals with special needs. And this was at the back end of COVID. And so we were having something called a shine through so we could still celebrate all of the kings and queens and their family and loved ones. And so there's this red carpet drive-through that they're all driving through. And a lot of them were in course. vets and there was this red corvette that was pulling by and all of the team and so many volunteers are out there cheering and cheering and cheering and there's a young girl with blonde hair

and a red dress and a red corvette driving by super super slow and we're going crazy and she's just cheering and cheering and she's just beaming with joy and the car pulls by and I didn't even know that our team in the churches were working together to have bumper stickers on the back the car but when the car drove by i saw on the back of the car and it said royalty on board and i thought that's it that's it and so um i really started to to dive in after that point of looking into what does it mean to be made in the image of god in his image and in his likeness and and we see in genesis that it's mentioned in genesis 1 26 and 27 it's mentioned in genesis 5 after the fall it's mentioned in Genesis 9, and so obviously this is a so important concept for us to understand.

Really growing up, I heard it talked about in three phases that it was relational, rational, or functional, relational meaning that God created us to be relational with him and with one another, rational to be logical and thinkers and process information and then functional to rule and reign and subdue the earth. And I think all three of those are part of it, but I started to get so emotional and sad and frustrated because I thought, well, that can't be it because what about all of those with special needs, 16% of the world's population has a special need or disability? What about all of those boys and girls, men and women that maybe can't do that to the same extent? Or they made lessen

God's image? And I would say, absolutely not. So we started to dive into it to really understand what it means. And when you really look into the term in the ancient Near East, the image of God. You see that it was a term that an Assyrian king in the 1500 BCs would be referred to as the image of Bell, a God that they believed in, or an Egyptian king, image of Ra, a God that they believed in, or the Greeks, you know, a living image of Zeus. And so you really look at it. And when in the ancient Near East, when they would have read Genesis 1 and they would have seen that we are made in God's image and likeness, what they, what I believe that they would have understand, it is a royal worth statement because it is a statement that they would

have seen that is used for kings and for monarchs. And now that the Bible is saying, this is used for all of humanity. This is you. You have seen this for kings and for monarchs, but this is for all of humanity. This is how much I love you. That the statement that you are, that you will see on statues for these kings and for these monarchs, no, this is how much I love you. And then when we fast forward to the New Testament, and we understand the life of Jesus, that Jesus lived the perfect life, a life that we couldn't live but die to death, that we deserve to die and took our place. And that when we accept that free gift of eternal life, we get adopted into the family of God as sons and daughters of the king. Then what are we? Royalty, sons and daughters

of the king. And my heart for a look again is that we would truly look again to understand our worth and our value, that we would fight the lie, that some lives matter less, and then we would act on that, that we would truly act on that, that when we would leave and we would go places, we wouldn't look past people. We would see people. 67 times in scripture, it tells us that Jesus saw. He would see people, and he would meet their needs. And he didn't look past. He didn't look beyond. He didn't see the vulnerable and say they're less valuable. He saw the vulnerable and cared for them and met their needs. And he didn't care. as much about comfort as you did compassion. And we live in a society, and I have failed at this.

So many times I have fought for that next thing to really just be more comfortable. And I think as a society, we have to fight that comfort and step into a life of compassion. What does compassion mean? It means to care so much for someone you're willing to suffer with them. It is not a comfortable place that you'd be willing to do that. But when you see people that are, that you know are valuable to God and they're vulnerable, then you're going to act. But if you're we don't see them as valuable, we won't act. And I believe too many times that me and so many others don't see people the way that we should. And we have to stop and look again. First, at ourselves and the worth and the value that God has given us. And then the worth and the value that

God has put on all of humanity. And when we see people that way, we will act. Because could you imagine, Ed, if I lost a penny and I said, hey, Ed, we got to tear all this apart because I lost lost a penny. You would look at me and be like, like, Timmy, you're an idiot. Like, who cares? It's a penny. But if Demi lost her ring, we would stop and we would tear everything apart. But we treat people as pennies, not diamonds. But yet every person is so much more valuable than any diamond that has ever been created. Boating for flight 246 to Toronto is delayed 50 minutes. Ugh, what? Sounds like Ojo time.

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that he's referencing. And when you watch these clips, you'll see these people that many people don't see. Now all of a sudden being seen and they're being celebrated and the looks on their precious faces. It makes you very emotional. And I have a theory that a lot of times when we get emotion. It's because we see something in someone else that we know exist within us that maybe we're not utilizing. We're not releasing. We're not serving. And so I want to flip it to you, Demi, because I think it's obvious to some extent that many people may overlook someone with a disability or that that has autism or something like that and maybe see, not see them as they should. But there's a lot of people that don't see themselves as they should. And it's not obvious. It's

invisible. And everywhere I go, I meet people who they just, they don't feel good about themselves. They carry some shame, maybe from their upbringing or a sin they've committed or a mistake or a relationship that didn't work out. A lot of people listening to this right now are like, okay, I heard all his Bible stuff over there. I'm a believer or I'm not, right? But I know how I feel about myself. And I don't feel secure about myself. I don't feel confident in myself. Do you believe that that's because they don't know where they really come from. And if they really were understood that they've got a father in heaven that loves them, as Tim just described, is that completely it?

Or would you give a slightly different answer to somebody? And I think it's just men and women, but would you agree with me that maybe, to some extent, there's more pressure on women to think they have to be a particular way in order to be qualified in order to make a difference? Just wonder what you think about that. Well, as a believer, I think my opinion maybe looks very similar to Tim's because I feel like that's the place that in my faith where I truly got a secure identity, an identity that's unbreakable, an identity that's unshakable, no matter life circumstances. You know, I think a big

part of our perception of our self is often formed by our life circumstances. And that's difficult because our life circumstances usually look like a roller coaster. And then when we attach our confidence are worth our value to our life circumstances, you know, that sends our identity on a roller coaster too. That's not secure. That's shakeable. When that corner office door closes, you know, it shakes up our identity. It doesn't make us feel good. When that thing that we thought gave us worth and value is no longer there, we no longer feel worthy or valuable. And so for me, personally, I really had to take time and step back and look at, well, where can I root my identity in where it's not going to be based in something that's

temporary, that was never meant to last for all of eternity? And for me personally, Ed, I haven't been able to find a non-ser other than in my faith and in who God is. And as a believer, I know and I fully believe that I don't have to earn that worth because that worth was given by what Jesus did for me on my behalf. And that is where my worth can be rooted in. Same here, by the way. I want to make sure everybody in my audience knows that. Same here. When I was a little boy, I think a lot of people conflate recognition or significance with love.

Absolutely. In my case, anyway, when I was a little boy, when I would feel loved by my dad, is when I did something good. I brought home A's, and then he'd give me significance and recognition that felt like love to me. Or if I hit a home run in baseball. Okay. And I think as we grow up, we often start to think we have to get attention or recognition and it's an artificial shallow feeling of love where when we get it from our father in heaven,

we don't have to earn it. He did it before we did anything. He loved us. Jesus came down to this earth, took on sin, and he loved us why we were yet sinners. We didn't do anything. He did everything, and he did it for us. And getting ready for a look again, we got to study with so many Old Testament, ancient Near East scholars. and one of them, Dr. Carmen Ims, really impacted my view because she really believes that when

we always say we're image bears, it's wrong. We're not image bears. We're image beings. That when you bear something, you can also put it down. But we can't ever put down the image of God in our life. So we aren't called to bear God's image. We're called to be God's image in whatever we do, in everything we do. We will never be made less of God's image based on what we do. Now, obviously, we should try to go live out in a way that honors him and loves people makes a difference. But no matter what you've done, if you're watching, you're listening, you are no less made in God's image based on whatever that has happened to you. It's so good. I think what happens is that, I think actually God, we certainly don't want to make mistakes or sins or

mistakes but when we do god actually wants to use them in the service of somebody he does it's it's he does i have to say all the time you're most qualified to help the person you used to be my dad helped thousands of people get sober why because at one time he was an alcoholic if you're a person who used to not have hope and now you got hope you can help hopeless people if you used to not know jesus and you do now you can help all those people your company if you now you know a lot about mortgages or insurance or how to you know put together a or an air conditioner and you use not you can help all these people that needed. You're most qualified to help those you used to be. Here's the rub, though. The hard part is that when you live in this world today, and all of this is true, and whether someone's a believer

listening to this or not, you should just know that there's a God in heaven that loves you more than you can imagine, right? And that's just a comforting thing to know. But in the world today, if we're being real, it's so difficult to not compare yourself to others. Even the two of you, you set a pretty high bar, man. I mean, you set a high bar. And so wanting And even our camera people, really, it's, it's, it's, even for me, like, I want to make a difference in the world, but I'm not you. And I think people are on Instagram. I'm not as beautiful as her or everyone's on a yacht and driving a Lamborghini online. It seems like, and I'm at home just struggling with my problems. Comparison is a huge challenge in the world today because

it's right in our pocket. It's on our phone. We're constantly being forced to compare ourselves or we're not smart enough or our setback. What would you say to somebody who's just in this hyper, and you know what I'm talking about us, hyper comparison mode? in their life is what's the solution to that or the answer well i'd want you to know that that has been me um far far too many times and comparison kills all joy if you live a life in comparison it will absolutely steal and kill your joy and that's what the enemy wants we know his goal is to steal kill and destroy and i think part of how he does that is with comparison that oh you should be doing this you should be on that team you should have this podcast you should be that you should have be to have that crown

you should be this. And, you know, I heard a stat several years ago that 12% of our daily thoughts are spent in some form of comparison. Whoa. It's a huge number. That's a huge number. That means if we're spending 12% of our time comparing ourselves with other people or other things or other stuff or other positions, then so much of our day is getting killed.

And by the way, when you go look at Instagram or TikTok or all these other things, there's a reason why filters are so popular. It's because you're comparing. your real life to somebody else's fake life. And that is going to highlight real. And that is going to kill your joy. It is going to absolutely kill your joy. And I know I have been there.

I try to fight it. I constantly have to fight it in so many areas. Because right when we, you know, turn on a game, you think, man, I could be doing that. I could do this or I could do that. And it just absolutely zaps your joy and it will zap your peace. because I also believe when we're comparing ourselves to someone else or a position or thing that they have, what we're really saying, even though we're not saying it, it's implied, we're really saying to God, God, I'm not grateful for where I am because I wish I was there.

And I don't believe that you can really spend time comparing yourself and being grateful for your blessings at the same time. And I'll just say, Ed, you know what, something I've realized is looking at social media, having that, you know, at the palm of your hand, every single day, anytime, right? You're essentially allowing people you don't know who don't love you, who don't miss your care for you, who don't have your best interests at heart. You're allowing them to speak into your life. And I don't even think that we realize it.

You know, whether they're directly speaking at you or not. You're allowing them to have an influence in your life, to speak into your life. And I think I've had to really focus on who are the people that I am going to listen to, Who are the people that I'm going to surround myself that's going to point me back to truth? When the enemy wants to make me doubt, when he's planting seeds of doubt ultimately. Do you have that? For sure, yes. Because you come from this world.

I was thinking about it when I was prepping last night. I'm like, you were Missed Universe, Miss South Africa. You're literally in a contest to some extent of comparison. Like, those are the world you come from. So how did you? I mean, it's like the perfect example. I also find that, like, when something's good to happen for me, you've messaged me before. I'm rooting for other people, too.

How do you do that where you're like, I simultaneously want to run my race, but I'm also rooting for you to do well. Did you have that where you're in the pageants? I'm just curious, like, that's a very difficult, you're in the ultimate comparison. I mean, it was a competition. I think I competed with 95 other contestants, the most beautiful, the most elite, the most the tallest, you know, from all over the world. and it was very, very competitive.

I mean, I stopped speaking my first language for three months just in preparation for this pageant. I wore high-heeled... Her first language is Afrikaans. Yes. Sounds nothing like English. You know, I went to these extents to be able to compete to the highest extent and the highest level.

And, you know, there were definitely times where it was difficult where you definitely felt that competition, where it was a little hard to be as nice to everybody else. But I remember this moment right before the pageant started. We're backstage and it's dark and you're trying not to trip over all the cables and things. And one of the other contestants just grabs me by the hand and goes, hey, if I don't win, I hope you do. And, you know, I think that was so beautiful because in that moment, it just reminded me that we are called to strive for excellence. You know, I think the Bible tells us that so many times over and over.

We are called to strive for excellence to live out our purpose. But we can also value and root for other people that are doing the same. And essentially, I think it makes us better. I do too. It makes us better when we can look at each other and learn from each other, support each other, cheer for each other. Iron sharpens iron sharpens iron and sharpens another. Amen.

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If you don't mind me asking, it makes me emotional because I just gave a talk on stage about my dad. It's one of the talks that I give. And just all these things in life that can pull us to emotions maybe that aren't always peace and joy, right? And so I want to ask you about loss if you don't mind, just for a second. It won't be too personal. But I always try to ask the question someone's listening. I know people want to know about comparison. I know I also know that there's people right now that are.

dealing with loss. They've lost their loved one. They've lost a relationship. They've lost a job. Maybe their dream didn't work out. And I already see it on your face because you know what I'm going to ask you about. And I just talked about mine. So you recently lost your dad. I mean, very, very recently when we record this within just several really days. And I'm wondering if you could speak to that of how you deal with lost. I know where you run for your comfort. I'm sure Tim is one of those places, but I know where you ultimately go for comfort. Would you guys mind just speaking about that. Because it's just part of life, just loss. Yeah. You know, Ed, I lost my sister a couple years ago when she was 13. She was born with severe special needs and ultimately at Sautum

and I met. And her life was really difficult. It was really hard. It was so many times she had really painful, physically painful situations that we were in and it really rattled my dad's faith to a big extent. And there was a time. where I was worried about my dad's faith and my stepmom really wanted to go on this trip to Israel and he said, I'll go with you, but I want nothing to do with the tour. I want nothing to do with the empty tomb. I want nothing to do with any of it. I'm just going to protect you. And you know, God is so gracious and so kind because he speaks to us in ways that matter to us. That's how much he loves us. And in that time, my dad definitely didn't expect this. My dad's such a practical person. He

was such a practical person that God revealed himself to him, you know, by seeing the empty tomb, by walking through the Garden of Gate, by, you know, kind of following in Jesus' footsteps in a way. And that was so beautiful. My dad came back from that trip, and I'll never forget what he told me. He said, you know, Demi, for the rest of my life, I can choose to question God or I can choose to trust him. And I'm going to choose to trust him. Oh, my God.

And, you know, Ed, I'm so grateful for just God's kindness and graciousness in that. And my dad passed away a couple days ago as we're reporting this. And he had a really long battle with cancer, hard battle with cancer over the last two years. And I'm honestly still processing it. I don't have all the right answers. And I'm hurting, you know, it's my dad. And do you think that I'm never going to be able to pick up the phone and call him on the side of heaven and ask him what chemicals put in the pool or change my car's oil filter or just.

check in to say hi it hurts it's painful um but i'm grateful for the hope with assurance that we have in jesus and i know a day that we all look forward to the day that he's getting to experience right now right did you want to add anything to that i saw you over there crying like a baby i'm just wondering what was going through your mind you should need him more than me he's just a he's a good man he was an amazing father-in-law he was a fun man um just a special father-in-law and special dad to dimmy and i'm glad he got to to meet his granddaughter before he went to heaven yeah we should say that part that's one of the great blessings is you did get a chance to bring your new daughter to see your dad before his time

It's passing, right? That's beautiful. Yeah, her and I got on a plane and flew to South Africa. She was seven weeks old, but we did it. And thankfully, we were all healthy coming back. And I mean, I know that that was, and he told me it was just the highlight of his life, getting to meet his granddaughter. Do you know why I love your answer so much? It's something that I asked you about it the first time you're on, but we didn't get a chance because it was at the end. And so I'd like to take the time now at the end to kind of talk about this. And I want to make sure that both, everyone remembers at the end, we're going to make sure that they know you're books again. But there's what you said. That's one of the realest things ever. People do question their faith. Yeah. And they do have doubts. And then what happens is oftentimes I think we then feel guilty. I'm not as faithful as Tim Tebow or I'm not as faithful as some pastor I see on TV. And when we question our faith, it becomes a spiral. But the truth of the matter is, is that most of us have a relationship with God, which means for many of us, it can ebb and flow. It can be up and down. And so a lot of people listening to this today. Maybe have drifted from their faith or never had it or question it.

When they lose, many of you know, my sister gave birth to identical twins recently and one of the babies passed after they were born. My sister got about an hour with one of the two boys. It can make you be angry with God. It can make you doubt God. It can make you question things. And our own family that ended up where we all landed. We landed with stronger faith. more comfort. But people do question their faith. They do doubt and they do feel guilt about that

fact. What would you say to them, both of you? I think we should go there. Well, you mentioned that we're not faithful. And my first response would be, I'm not faithful, but he is faithful, even where we are not. And Christianity is not a museum for good people. It's a hospital for the broken. And when you were broken, you get to go to the healer. And I think so many times these terms and phrases and things get thrown about about Christianity and Jesus and the love of God. And we just need to go back to the truth of God's word of who he is, that we serve a God that is a loving father that knows pain that took on the sin of the world, that took on evil, that went to the cross. And Hebrews tells us, for the joy set before him, he endured the cross, despised his shame. finished the race and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. He endured the cross,

despised the shame. But he did it anyways for the joy set before him. What was the joy set before Jesus when he's going to the cross? Making you and me right with his dad. The joy set before us was reconciling us, which reconcile is more than just forgiveness. Forgiveness is a part of it. But it means to make enemies friends. It means to renew the relationship, to be right again. Like any wants to reconcile us with him. And ultimately, man, I don't know why God does everything. And I would be a total liar and hypocrite to say, I know it, but I know that somehow God works all things together for good to those that love him and are called according to his purpose. And I know that God loves humanity. And I know that God is near to the brokenhearted. So if you're hurting, if you've experienced

loss, I know that our God is near. He knows what broken heart it is. He went to the cross. He experience it. We don't experience something that our God didn't already experience. He knows loss. He knows brokenhearted. So if you feel like, man, you've experienced loss, our God has gone through it. And once you know he loves you, you can have a hope. Even when it feels like the waves are crashing into the boat, the anchor holds. Wow. Dude. So dead. That's so good, Tim. So good. You know, I feel like questioning our faith isn't necessarily wrong. I think it's the way in which we do that. And I hope that I can turn from questioning to seeking.

And a way that I have tried to do that. And I failed miserably because just on the morning my dad passed, you know, Tim and I looked at each other and we're like, man, why him? You know, why? He's 62 years old. like he was just the happiest friendliest i mean like most joyful man um had like made the best barbecue it's just so many fun i mean he loved this guy so much so much um so many questions that pops your mind why why now why god why him and i don't think it's wrong to seek understanding but instead of

asking why i hope that i can reframe my mindset to asking where to say, God, where are you working this together for good? Where are you using this for your glory? Where are you working all things together for good as we know you promise? And that's hard to do. That's not easy because it hurts and it's painful. And, you know, maybe on this side of heaven, we'll never have all the answers to those questions. I know in my sister's loss of her life, there's so many unanswered questions,

but I'm going to choose to trust God that he is the God that is in full control. and I'm not him. And so I'm rather going to trust in his plan and his purpose. I just want to tell you, I'm sorry for your loss. Thank you. I'm so happy for your dad, though. Thank you. And your sister, they're together.

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Looking for the right guy. Yeah. Mike drop. Follow and listen on your favorite platform. You guys, this is such a great conversation. Let me ask you this last. So your faith is, I told you, I admire you. It's one of the things that inspires me.

Tim, people ask me about you. lot that they know that we now know one another and uh i always tell them you're better than they think um but you're just a man and and what you do though is you you've said the word serve god i'll bet 15 or 20 times in the interview today serve is what you said you use that word a lot and you also do it a lot and i think one of the reasons that i believe your faith is growing and that you're happy is that you serve people and everybody listening to this in their own way i think one of the things in life when you feel the most helpless get the most helpful yeah there's a shift and so what they don't know about you i want to acknowledge something in you and then i want you to answer it to

finish both of you together okay these two work so hard they they have every reason in their life to play a lot of golf and take a lot of vacations and cool it a lot you tell you he and I've been playing golf together, he's on the phone. And it's for the foundation. Their work is for the Tim Tebow Foundation. They both labor and serve in that foundation. And the foundation does incredible work. Some of the work that he does there is that I've seen photos. I've been one that to use. I'll never forget. I'll just literally never forget. And so they help the most vulnerable people in the world. They bring medical assistance. They help. There's work they do in sex trafficking is just, it's unbelievable.

with disabled people is part, I want you to talk about the foundation a little bit, but also I know there's a little bit of a selfish angle there. And I mean this in the sense that I know service is so important to you and making a difference. And I think a lot of times we're just sitting there with our emotions rather than saying, let me just go help one person. Yes.

I think one of the keys of changing your life is just, and a lot of you are listening to go, well, I can't help anybody. Yes, I promise you, you can help who you used to be. There's someone who needs you. Yes. There's some person who needs you. whether it's just to call and check in, I love you, I haven't talked in a while, are you okay?

You'd be surprised. But how much does serving God, service matter to the two of you, and then how you do it through the foundation? I think it's one of the most important callings that God has placed on us and that is placed on all of us, but specifically for us and serving the MVP, the most vulnerable people. And I would say it's where God has impacted my life by far the most. where I've seen him show up, where I've seen him convict me,

where I've seen him teach me, prune me, fulfill me. You know, we get to serve in a lot of dark areas in hard places, but then it's also in hard places. You see the things, darkness, but you also see every time darkness and light meet, light winds every time. And you

see God show up and do incredible things. And every person, everyone watching, you have a chance and an opportunity to not look past people but see them and step in and serve somebody. The person that you would drive by, homeless man, the person on the side of the street, the person that is the cashier that no one has spoken nicely to, you have a chance to see them. We were just speaking at a event a couple weeks ago and there's a red light and there's a man holding a sign there and rolled down the window and we gave him food and water and some cash that we had and he looked at us stunned and there was four of us in the car. And he said, why would you do this?

And I said, man, because we want you to know that you're super valuable to us because you're valuable to God. And we want you to know God sees you, and so do we. And we just pray that you have an awesome day. And sometimes you just don't have to do much more than that. And it can make someone's day. We were in New York City doing an interview maybe like a year ago, and we stopped in to grab a drink from a place before we had to get to the next place.

And one of our team members who I'm so grateful for, because you know when i walked by and grabbed the drink and we pay and walking out he looked at her and he said hey are you okay and she said no i'm not i don't know that i want to live much longer and um and the conversation he had with her was so profound and i pray that she's doing good but she needed somebody to see her she needed that day for someone to stop and care about her and all of us can do that we can we can stop we can see people and we can treat them as valuable because right now i really believe so much in our society and i know that i'm guilty of this is we use people and we value things instead of loving and value people and use things and we have to flip it when we actually

love and value people everything will change your heart your hope your life the fulfillment the greatest fulfillment that I have ever received by far in my life is by serving people that could never do anything to help us. It changes everything. And all of us have the chance to do that. So good. And he does this guys daily all the time. You can see it on his face.

It's who they really are. I want you to be able to get the last word. Yeah. You know, and I think for me, the times where I thought there's not much that I can do, it's probably because I was right. because there's not much I can do. And what I mean by that is because that's my pride speaking. That's me thinking that what I have to offer is maybe too little.

And I realize God can use your willingness way more than you ever realize. You know, I was carjacked in 2017, held at gunpoint, got out of the vehicle, was able to escape that situation. I tried to push me back in the vehicle, said, get in, you're going with us. Long story short, I ran off that avenue. broad daylight, peak hour traffic, hop-past five in the afternoon, knocking on window after window after window, and nobody would stop to help me.

That was the most horrifying part of the whole story. Nobody would stop to help me. And this young girl, where I later learned, was 19 years old. She pulled over in her old little beat-up car, and she literally had to lean over and unlock the little car knob to lead me in and led me to safety.

And all she had was a beat-up old little car and a willing heart. And that incident, Ed, served as, such a massive catalyst in my life. That's what let me learn about the fight against human trafficking. That's how I got into this fight. That was the catalyst to opening my eyes to what's going on in the world. And today I get to serve alongside them all over the world and the Tentuba Foundation and fight for survivors and victims of human trafficking. And, you know, hadn't not been for that young 19 year girl that said, here I am, God, use me with what I have, where I am. You know, I'm so

grateful for her for many reasons, but for opening my eyes that God can use you, but you have to be willing. My gosh, God used the two of you today. This is fly by. That is such an extraordinary story that that's the person who ends up saving you that day. You guys, I just tell you, this is why I do the show. Like, this is why I do the show. Every once in a while, there's like a magic that happens. And the first thing I would encourage you all to do, like, is your friendship with me for the last decade, many of you, go check out the Tim Tebow Foundation. That's the first thing. I want you to get their books, we'll talk about this in a minute. But if you would just become familiar with the work they're doing, it's extraordinary around the world. I have, I'm good fortunate that I'm around

a lot of different people with foundations and the work they do. And there are many. These two are so committed to the causes that they work on. And it's real. And it's what they do every day. It's not just some gala they show up to once a year. And there's a team behind this things. They've got a great team. They're daily involved. And they're, their work. And I admire the two of you at great deals. I really do. What a great conversation. Thank you for you. Thank you for your conversation. The books, you guys, go get Tim's book, November 2nd. If you've seen this before or after, look again. We only got into a little bit of it. So recognize your worth, renew your hope, and run with confidence. That sounds good, by the way.

And then Demi's book, which I can tell you in my own household is a hit. So that means it's a good one, because we get all the books in my house, knowing who you are because of who God is, a hundred days to unbreakable faith. It's great. So thank you for today. Thank you, brother. I love you. I love you. You, man. All right, God bless you, everybody. Share this episode. I don't have to tell you to share this one. I already know it's being shared. Max out your life. This is the Edmunds show.