THE ED MYLETT SHOW - The Brain Behind the Brawn w/ Phil Heath

Episode Date: April 26, 2022

I hope you’re ready to do some HEAVY LIFTING for this week’s podcast.You are going to hear one of the most INSPIRING stories about DEDICATION and creating the highest possible STANDARDS from one of the most accomplished bodybuilders and athletes in the world.PHIL HEATH is a SEVEN-TIME MR. OLYMPIA WINNER, going undefeated in the competition every year from 2011 to 2017.  He is tied with ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER for the second-highest number of wins, just behind LEE HANEY and RONNIE COLMAN who have eight wins each.He has applied the same incredible WORK ETHIC and FOCUS as an entrepreneur and founder and CEO of Phil Heath Labs and the founder of Gifted Athletics, among others.  All of Phil’s ventures have the same purpose of helping you HONE YOUR STRENGTHS and ACTIVATE YOUR BEST SELF.As an avid bodybuilder myself, I was especially curious to know what it takes to get to the next level.  There are a lot of OBSTACLES TO OVERCOME, and Phil touches on many of them.If you want to know more about what it takes to be HEALTHIER, whether it’s at Phil’s level, or if you’ve got more modest goals, you’re going to want to hear what he has to say about……the right COMPETITIVE MINDSET…dealing with TEMPTATIONS…the challenges of TRAINING ALONE…MENTAL and EMOTIONAL AWARENESS…using VISUALIZATION to help you achieve your goals…and dealing with PAIN (a subject that is often overlooked in my opinion)Bodybuilding is as much a MENTAL game as it is a physical pursuit, and Phil also gets into EMOTIONAL TRIGGERS, what drives him to be the best, and how he continues to create challenging EXPECTATIONS to feed those high-level outcomes.One other important area Phil talks about is his FAITH, and how it has helped him maintain a positive and steady course throughout the years.When you look at Phil, his accomplishments are chiseled into his physique.  But what you don’t see is what it took to get him there.This week, you’ll learn what it took for Phil, and how you can apply to your own life what he learned along the way.

This is the Edm Mylet Show. All right, welcome back to the show, everybody. I think when I created the show called Max Out, that was the original title of the show, now it's the Edm Mylet Show, I'm pretty sure you, the incomplete and total embodiment of Max Out, and I don't just mean in your athletic career. But having said that, let me properly introduce our guest today. He's a seven-time Mr. Olympia, but I'm gonna tell you, I think in researching him more and more, we're talking about one of the greatest athletes

of all time in any sport, not just in body building, because of the way he repeated his consistency. And the funny thing about him is that's not my most impressive thing about him. It's his mind. I was telling him when we just started, I said, you are one complicated and complex dude. And he really is.

Today is gonna be a ride of insight into success, personal development, peak performance, happiness, and a person in a story with a ton of insight that's gonna inspire you. So, Phil Heath, welcome to the show. No, thank you. It's a pleasure to be here. It's so good to have you. Thank you for flying Heath, welcome to the show. No, thank you. It's a pleasure to be here.

It's so good to have you. Thank you for flying all the way out and making this happen, too. So, so many of our mutual friends, as you know, we're like, you guys got to get together. Absolutely. Over and over, they repeated it to me. I got so many things I want to ask you, but I want to ask you the craziest thing first, I've worked. Perfect. You're training for a show. You're back in the day training. Okay, so everybody here relates to this. How did you deal with the invisible temptations that come your way? So obviously it's your sport.

You're the best, maybe ever at it. You're in the hand, you're on the Mount Rushmore for sure. It's the little temptations though to like eat the wrong thing. Or wing it a little bit on leg day. Like did you ever have those temptations like in a quiet moment, no one's watching

it's Phil Heath, he can go grab like a Hershey bar or something and training. Like, how did you resist the temptation of those things or did you indulge in those things when you were training? I knew how I wanted to look on stage and I knew that creating that distraction was not going to allow me to have people performance. And the last thing I wanted to do was to be on stage next to someone who did cross all the tees and talk all the eyes. Very good.

And then have that regret while I'm on stage of thinking I should beat this person, no question about it, but I had a moment of weakness and I allowed that weakness to make me feel unsure of myself and now I have zero certainty that I'm going to win. And I love to have certainty, but based on my performance. Yeah, so.

Why certainty matter so much? Because as much as I can't control it, I would like to control the outcome. And the best way to put my, my, you know, self in a best position to win is to not deviate from the plan. And that's something that, of course, you know, allowed me to earn, you know, those moments on stage where, you know, I looked my best.

And, you know, overall, I think when you're standing up there with just those little tiny posing drinks, that's the last thing you want to be thinking is like, gosh, I'm holding onto too much water, so much, you know, a little bit of fat here or there. Oh my gosh, I shouldn't have ate those hot dogs. I shouldn't have went to that party. And it does suck. I mean, I'm not going to sit here and act like, you know, I didn't want to enjoy, you know, fun, fun memories, fun times with friends. I mean, the mystery of the contest is a super ball of the bodybuilding. And typically, it would be held in September.

So therefore, my last weekend would follow either on or be in July. So maybe the fourth of July would be my last time to do anything. But that's a summer. So I spent like 13 years consecutively no summers at all. That's crazy. Yeah. I just always last night, I know I'm interviewing you. This is no joke.

It's a reason I, that question was just for me. I know I'm interviewing you last night and I'm doing intermittent fasting, but I had like, I started my fasting window earlier than I wanted to because of work. It's like 930, man. And behind me is like these like chocolate almonds sitting there. And I'm like, I'm getting ready just to grab just scarf these suckers that I literally thought, what would Phil Heath do? Oh my God crap. All right, I won't eat these things and I went to bed and tears. So they're still there though. That's the

I think that's one of the things I had to remind myself is that they're still there. You can have them just another time. There you go. They just don't, they're just not a part of this journey. You know what's interesting, you say that because when I speak often times or I'm coaching people, I'll say do all the things you don't want to do as fast as you can

so you can do all the things you want to do for as long as you can. So those things are there to be done. They just may not be in this time for you. It's kind of like spending money. I watch a lot of the guys,, you know make a little bit of money or people not just guys people make a little bit of money And they they can't resist the temptation to spend it prematurely instead of just once you're really really wealthy You could then go by that car right stop trying to look rich before you're rich because you end up being broke doing it So anyway 100% man like no, like I see that a lot in our sport and

Heck, I did it early on yeah me too. Yeah, and I and I but I felt like that was a Good learning lesson, you know, you're gonna learn two different lessons in life, right? Yeah, they're both gonna cost you something One can be inexpensive one can be extremely expensive lessons. Yeah, so I told myself like yeah I'm gonna buy that car, but then I realized oh gosh, I better either learn how to make more money. We never do that again. Yeah. And you know, it takes a lot of discipline to have. Well, you, you've discipline your whole life, though. So I'm reading you. I'm like, okay, this guy's got two degrees. Mm-hmm. This guy was a college basketball player and like a really, really good one, right?

Mm-hmm. So there's been this element of discipline That's I mean, I'm sure it's increased as you got older and the sport got more competitive in you You know, you were the best in the world at something But the other thing I was pretty such like I don't know that I've interviewed an athlete before that I think is more equipped to be in this space like personal development helping people Peak performance those kind of things How did it when did this shift for you? Because I'm reading about you,

I played college basketball, you're a really good player. Then you're like working at ballies. Yeah, man. So Phil Heath worked at ballies and made smoothies, right? So like, little do you know, man, when you're, you don't know who you're talking to when you go into these places. How'd you get from there to where you ended up?

Were you, were you gonna be a pro bodybuilder then? No, well, yeah, so how it worked out was this. Was, oh my gosh. We're going back, man, 20 years. So, I went to the university, never, and played ball and got the degrees, all that stuff. And then I'm like, what the heck am I gonna do? Any job in IT was gone.

And when I say gone, like after 9.11, I mean, things started, you know, going to hell in the hand basket. And typically they would say, Oh, you know, you have a, you know, major in IT, you know, the emphasis in like software engineering, you're going to make like 70 grand a year. That went down to like 45 and I was like, geez, like, that's not cool. Like, right. And then I got general business. I'm like, what the hell am I doing? Right. Then I thought, man, I just want to do something cool. And a friend of mine was like, I just

get your job at Ballet. You can be a retail manager. And I thought, well, okay, why not? If I don't like it, I can always leave. And I end up loving it because, you know, at first you're thinking, yeah, he's making smoothies. I wasn't just making smoothies.

I was actually hiring and firing employees because I needed employees to run the pro shop. I was doing all of the ordering. I had to understand all the, you know, the belly total fitness system protocol, manual, handbook, all that stuff. I was actually engaging with those different vendors from Pepsi Cola or, you know, a worldwide nutrition that bring in all, I was doing all the ordering of nutritional. So then I had to actually go through the back end and figure out like, okay, what are we selling? Nice to get into arguments with our regional because I would never hit quota. And I said, gosh, like, I'm

not hitting this quota, like, what the heck? And everybody else was hitting theirs. And we would have like these monthly meetings and they'd say, yeah, I feel like you're at 96%. Like, and then one day I told her, I said this and, you're more concerned with the percentage of the quota, but you're not concerned if that same person is keeping the damn lights on. See, I can discount this water for my friend, right?

But what's the profit margin for each store? I said, let's just focus on that. She, of course, got clowned, right? And then, and then basically every other retail manager in the state hated me because they're like, yeah, you, you outed us. And I'm like, no, you like you guys are losing money. All of them should be fired. Wow.

Because they're hitting their quota, but yet you're losing money. So they're like, well, I'm at 54% profit margin for a retail store. That's pretty damn good. Really good for a retail store. Really good. You guys are 38%.

So who's making money here? So, I remember thinking of Phil, you have to embrace that as this little shop is yours. You own this. What a great lesson. And if you don't treat it like that, if you just treat it just like a job, you'll just be a regular dude. But if you treat this like a real,

like this is your shop. Yeah. If no employee, if everyone walked out on you, and you still show up, which, if this, if Jane went out, you and you still show up, which if this, if Jane went out, party in the night before, got sick, who had to show up? I did. And I did without complaining. Maybe a couple of times, right? But at the same time, it taught me a lot. And it also taught me with regards to when I wanted to become a professional bodybuilder,

those supplement companies that I would end up working with. Yeah. Which ones where I want to work with because I'm like, I don't want to work with you guys. You guys suck. Like, I don't like your products. Yeah, you knew. You also learned to run a business. So you, you, such a huge lesson to like bloom where you're planted, right? Like your dream probably wasn't to work there the rest of your life.

Mm-hmm. But you made the most of it and, you know, gain the most lessons from it. Grue the most from doing it. There's a lot of people that are listening to the show right now. They're not in their dream right now. They got a dream, but they're placed right now somewhere else. Well, you end up making this massive dream come true and kind of like an affiliated way, like a vertical,

I guess you went from Bally's to a body builder, but you gleaned all these lessons from being there. Most people, you know this brother, they just kind of like, they of unconsciously where they are. It sounds to me like you were really conscious. And when we were prepping, I wanna talk about how you go from there to becoming a bodybuilder, but then, I don't think most people,

you know, they fill each seven-time Mr. Olympia. It's like, my gosh, the amount of work that must have taken, the amount of mental fortitude. And you say, you believe all people were born to do something like really special with their life, right? I understand. Alabrade on that, but did you think that then, where have you like sort of realized that now that you've really done something special with your life?

A little bit of both. I think I was, I had some prophetic moments in my life. One would be, you know, earning a division one scholarship and being interviewed by the Seattle Times like, hey, Phil, do you have any aspirations going to NBA? I still remember this quote and I said, I was 17 and I said, I don't know about the NBA, but I plan on being pro at something. You did, it's 17. I said, because I want to be pro at something. And I didn't know what that would be, obviously, but I wanted to, pro at something. And I didn't know what that would be, obviously. But I wanted to, because a professional takes a level of precision with their craft and, you know,

to be a pro at something. That means that that person's out joke. Yeah. You know, they're not average. And for me, you know, my, I don't know, roommate that, Nick made me, nicknamed me the gift. And I was like, oh my gosh, this is so freaking arrogant.

Oh, people are gonna, people are gonna lay into me if I use this. And we sat there and he goes, no, you're the gift because you have one. It's completely different than this typical negative stereotypes of a bodybuilder. You come from a different background. Yeah.

And you're able to relate to people in different sports, bringing them in to bodybuildings. True. You speak well, you just look different, and you have a different story. And then one day you're going to share this with people. I mean, he had a moment for sure to see something in me. I was very thankful of that. So I used the nickname and then I realized that,

how do I, how do I preach this message to others? It's more of a, we're all born with one, a gift. But it's on us to, and I say, how I gotta find my calling. It's like, you already have something special. What you're afraid of doing is working hard at it. You're afraid. And once you step up and you stare at yourself in the mirror and know who the hell you are, and you fail, but you fail forward and you learn and you keep working

at this, you put yourself in a better position to succeed. And then once you get a, you know, one level, then you go to the next one. See, a lot of people, they stay at that one level because it's comfortable. But just like a video game, you know, you took, I talked to kids and they played these games and stuff. As the levels get higher, the difficulty increases as well. But you have a choice when you die in the game. Continue or game over. It actually gives you a choice. You actually have a choice in your game. Continue or game over. It actually gives you a choice. Yeah. You actually have a choice in your life. So I chose to keep going. Just to see. And when I started, you know,

looking better and feeling more confident and trust me, my first competition, I had so much false bravado. Let me tell you, I did not, I thought walking out there on stage and just having this, you know, like terminator look and I'm gonna, it was so much insecurity in my heart. Really? That's why I did that. Really. Really? I wasn't sure of myself. And then the crowds laughing. Are you? See, I thought it's the same. Okay. They're laughing because I didn't smoke the whole damn show. Okay, you did. But see how you're minding your,

and you know, with your reality, it's two different things. Yeah. I was so scared, man, that I didn't know, and then until this lady screams out, she goes, smile, you're beautiful,

and everybody starts laughing again. I was like, oh, I guess I do look good. But the whole time my training partners are saying, dude, you're gonna smoke this, but I didn't want to believe. It took another person to tell me that in my time of vulnerability, literally wearing the drugs and stuff with no mirror in front of me

to see if I'm doing it right. And then I owned it. That's one of my favorite things anyone's ever said on the show. That whole piece right there, what you just said, and I've done a lot of shows. But the fact that we all have a gift in us, and that it's identifying that gift

and that so many of us are afraid, you know, do you think that the fear, afraid of doing the work? I think they're afraid of doing the work or they're afraid they're gonna fail? It's almost like, I don't know what my gift is and I can sort of stay in the space of like, I don't know, I'll figure it out eventually.

You're BS-ing yourself the whole entire time and then you're gonna hate yourself later on because you're gonna see that person get what's yours. Wow. They're gonna get, you got a very nice watch on. They love it. I wanna get one one day, right? Well, if I quit, I ain't gonna get, like you got a very nice watch on. I love it. Thank you. I wanna get one one day, right?

Well, if I quit, I ain't gonna get it. And then I'm gonna be jealous. Yeah. That guy got the girl that I wanted or that guy got the vacation for his family that he wanted. What's preventing you from doing it? You, you, you're telling me that that man, that woman, is any better than you?

No, they just did the work, especially when no one was watching their ass. That's the big thing about your sport, bro. It's not a team sport, because I suppose you sometimes train with other guys, but I bet in your case you trained alone. I'm like Chuck Norris, man. I do this alone.

Right. Part of that reason, like you didn't want to know what you were doing, you didn't want to know how you looked or just you wanted the solace of just being in that mode by yourself? I, well, I was raised as an only child. Yeah. So I enjoyed, especially playing basketball,

you know, hanging out with your friends, but when it came to bodybuilding, I knew that I'm going to be standing on a stage alone alone and they have an entourage. So they're so used to having everybody pump them up. So good. Tell them how great they are. You know, oh, come on, champ. You got it, champ.

I'm thinking no. It's just me and the weights. If anything, I'm gonna go insane and I'm gonna talk trash to these weights. Then I'm gonna look at myself in the mirror of saying, do you have one more? I'm literally that nuts. Like I'm like, you want more, don't you? Hell yeah, let's go. Or man, that was great.

Or while I'm going through a really tough time. And I don't feel it's necessary to have someone carry that for me. Or you. Yeah. I don't want them to do that Yeah, and then also I don't want to be responsible to say hey Ed I'm training at 230 and then I get in and I'm meeting and then I'm late and then now You're like gosh like I really wanted to train with you Phil But I got a wife and kids at home like I got other stuff to do not unscrewed you over

Yeah, and I damn sure don't want you doing that to me. You're super interesting to me man like you You said this thing on the video game levels. Yeah, not in screwed you over. Yeah, and I damn sure don't want you doing that to me. Yeah, you're super interesting to me man like you You said this thing on the video game levels. Yeah, okay. Well, you got to the highest level of that game Mm-hmm. What happened as you went higher take take us through for a second like I did I played college baseball division one college baseball. That's a certain level of baseball That is oh, yeah is absolutely not major league baseball, right? So I know what took to get to that level, but also know these other levels. And then to get to the big leagues

to give a metaphor of it, the major leagues of bodybuilding is to get your pro card. Right. And then to win a contest is a big deal. But to then win the major, to win the Arnold would be a big deal, but then to win the Olympia, then to repeat and win it again. Then to repeat and win it again and again and

again and again and to do it seven times. This is a level of the video game that is bonkers for most people, right? Yeah. So what's the separator between it? Don't be, I know your humble, but don't be for a minute. What did you do? I mean, you got the gift. You've already always acknowledged genetically.

I got a good hand out to me. But what was different at that? Because there's a lot of people, listen, they want to be that in their business, that in their family, that in their church. They're lying. They don't really want it. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, because do they, are they really saying that for themselves or they're saying that for the world? I think they're saying it to sound cool. I think they, I love you more. Exactly.

I think the world is like that. So do I. But God ain't like that. So I leaned on my faith a lot, but also I got called out because I can tell you, if anyone's out there and they want to see how I had imposter syndrome, 2010 Olympia, 2009 Olympia, I have food poisoning. So I did everything in my power to like still compete. EMTs are at my room, you know, to four, the five, 40 something in the morning.

And I was like, God, please, you know, like I just wanna, I just wanna compete because I just met all these fans from all over the world at the meeting green. I wanna let them down. So I competed and got fifth. I was like, okay, and then I did the Arnold Classic got second, so I said, okay, I'm getting momentum.

And then it's just myself and Jay Cutler. Who's a friend of yours? Yes. Who definitely was, he's an iconic figure in our sport. And Joe Weeder is up there on stage as well. And they're getting ready to read off the next name, being at the, you know, Olympia, and they say, J Cutler. Now, I was actually happy he won,

not because we were friends, but because of how heavy the head that wears the crown. Really? Holy smokes up. Because you realize when your friends were someone that is the crown. Really? Holy smokes up. Because you realize when your friends are someone that is the champion and he lost his in O8 and then regained it in O9. But I saw Ronnie Coleman win his number 8

and I've seen like how fans treat people. I've seen how reporters treat people when they're multi-level champions and stuff. You go from the hero to the villain sometimes, because people just, oh, I just wanna see someone else win. Yes. You know, the total Tom Brady effect, you know. And I saw that play out and I thought, man,

I don't truly feel. I didn't notice right away. I dissect not just game film and basketball. I dissect myself in bodybuilding. See, I don't think a lot of athletes do that in our sport. They're posing and stuff, but do they really rewind the tape, not in admiration, but in critique of their body language? I went by my body language, I exhaled when they read that name.

So I started to ask myself, why did you exhale? You're relieved? Exactly. Wow. I was relieved because of what? I was more concerned over the fact that at pre-judging at the Arnold Classic six months prior, I was in the lead of beating Kai Green. Then I lost and I felt, I'll be honest, I felt like I got robbed and I said I'm never gonna lose to this guy again Well, I didn't lose to him again But I didn't win the Olympia my goal should have been wrong standard. Yeah That's been there done that like who cares? Yeah, not only am I never gonna lose this guy again I'm gonna win this freaking show. I'm gonna get back

I'm gonna get some real get back. Yeah, so I was so focused on just getting some get back on Kai that I was comfortable being just friends with Jay because also I recognize how people treated Jay when he was chasing Ronnie all those years. They always love second place. Oh, you almost had it, Ed. You almost had it, man. Like, you know, come back next year.

We love you, bro. Yeah, that, but don't you think you can oftentimes in life beginning so caught up in beating someone else that you cheat yourself out of the capacity of what you could have been had you were just trying to be your best? Exactly, right? Run your own race.

When you say that race though, when you say, hey, I want to unpack what you said there. So I said, hey, a lot of people are saying right now they want to be that level and you go, no, they don't, they're lying. Is it because you know what's required to do that and most people are not willing to pay that level and you go, no, they don't, they're lying. Is it because you know what's required to do that and most people are not willing to pay that level of price and that's what they're lying to themselves about?

Yeah, I truly feel that when it's between you and that opportunity or you and that person who's going for that job, that promotion, how competitive are you really with yourself? You truly have to know who the hell you are to exude that confidence, not arrogance, but that confidence because you did the work and you're willing to receive the good, the bad,

and the ugly, that comes with that job. When I'm no military guy, but I love our military, when we see in a film and they say say I need five men to go do this mission and they all stand up Are they scared? No, I don't think so There might be another person that's scared that didn't stand up or there may be one person out of that five It's like I guess I'm but I't think so. I think when they stand up, they know what the assignment is. They know that they may not make it,

but they're gonna do it because they trained to do this and they love to do this. And in 2010, I definitely look great. I mean, I looked awesome. In fact, I look back and I'm like, man, I maybe could have won that, you know? But mentally, I wasn't ready. And emotionally, see those emotions, I wasn't ready and emotionally see those emotions.

I should never claim something that I'm not emotionally conscious, emotionally equipped. I should stand up there. So the fast forward, I told myself, you're the biggest wimp. You're a chump. You're never do another interview with Flex Magazine Muslim Fitness. And say you're gonna be the champ. Oh, you know, you do the hype thing.

Like, oh yeah, be your chest. Yeah, man, I'm going for the title next year. Yeah, this is mine. It's like, really? Because you just punked out right there and no one else caught you this time. Maybe the next time they're asses will. And you don't like living with yourself. See, so I didn't like living with myself

with those terrible standards. But the world, see, the world, second place man, ain't too bad. You're just right there, you're so close. Sponsors, second place ain't bad, Phil, second in the world, we'll go ahead and you know We knew you're contracting stuff. Whatever you need. What do I want? Looks cool to see what Ronnie Coleman did

I was there when he won number eight You were and I got a chance to hang out with him till 7 30 in the morning and I love that and I got a chance to hang out with him till 7, 30 in the morning and I love that the fact that I got to see it. I got to eat the same food and I got to go to the nightclub. I did all this stuff. I could feed on your face. And I was just pumped, man. And I'm thinking like, oh, he was able to, well, he owns a house. He owned his mom's house. Like, he was able to buy the cars he wanted.

Like, he was able to travel the world and have lines longer than train smoke to meet with him. I met with Ronnie in 2004. I was waiting in that line for four and a half hours. Then I meet Jay and I and I see Jay accomplish these things. I'm punking out, man. Don't I want that? Right. And I'm probably doing a disservice to every person who's ever poured energy into me. I'm punkin' out, man. So I'm not, but I still gotta choose. Yeah. Because they'll still be okay,

because they've never achieved it. You're right. You're high school teacher. Hell no. There you go. So I had to make a, I had to plan a flag. I said, hell no, this is mine. And it wasn't even about beating Jay. Mm hmm.

It was about being the best version of myself because I don't care. And then and we're going there. Mm hmm. And he gave a damn of Ronnie would have came back. I didn't care who was going to step on that stage with Dorene Ace was reincarnated, whatever, you know, Arnold, whoever. I was like, I'm going against King, freaking Kong man. And that's what I just felt to do, my spirit. And I owned it every rep, every set,

every freaking workout, every cardio session. I knew what it was going to require. And then when I won, every, it's like, the synapses in my brain like it went to like childhood early adulthood all these different wise in the road brought me here you did you like flash it was like super flash it went all the way back when you know I was just kid and seeing violence seeing this and my parents split up when I was just a kid and seeing violence, seeing this, seeing my parents split up when I was three, like what that felt like, like to be told,

you know, later on, like you didn't make the basketball team to being on the team, to winning state, to, you know, to go and play college, didn't like your coach, like how it made you feel going through mental health issues in college, like to get in the bodybuilding, to turning pro, to, you know, meeting Joe Weeter to then literally, uh, well, even before that, like having no money, you know, because money, you know,

you have no money, you know, had no money, but finally met Joe Weeter's got a got a sign contract literally had a car that was flooded and and and had no forms of transportation to sign with Joe Weeter taking that taking that five grand check, getting a buy in a 2001 Lincoln LS8. Nice. Bringing that car back, wearing the shorts, wearing the tank top, wearing the bandana,

looking like Sean Ray, and I get in the accident two and a half later, two and a half hours later. I get rear ended. I get rear ended. Right before I turn pro, accident two and a half later. Two and a half hours later. I get re-ended. I get re-ended. Right before I turn pro, like two weeks out, having to go through, oh my gosh, my back goes out a week before to all these different things. You're back one out the week before you won the Olympia?

No, before I won my pro card. Oh my gosh. So I'm like, that's just the idea. I did all this stuff to lead to that moment. To lead to that moment, I was like, man, I didn't give up, man. That's so awesome. Thank God, man, I didn't give up, man, because I'll tell you, like if I would have gave up and I would have just been comfortable,

that would have been my new comfort of being second. Oh, wow, it's so good. I would have never gone there and. Oh, this is good. This is good. Oh, my gosh, that feeling. Yeah. You didn't immediately feel, I'm just curious. So you win, this is good. That, oh my gosh, that feeling. Yeah. So you didn't immediately feel, I'm just curious.

So you win, your dream happens. So you're saying, making your dream happen, say this for everybody, or let us in on it. Exceeded, met, or didn't meet your expectations like emotionally when you hit it. I had arrived. That's cool. That's how I felt.

It was all worth it. This is your new start. Because now you're Mr. Olympia. You're not these guys. You've already beat them. You've already, that's in your rear view. And fans may look at that as like, oh, that's cocky. It's like, no, man, I did the work.

I know the, I know the secret to my own success. You found your recipe. Right. And can I tweak it now? Absolutely. How did Ferrari win all those championships? They tweaked it. Very good, Phil.

Very good. Well, was it zero to sixty and eight seconds? The first car, then, you know, they got better and better and better. That's, I look at that and I say, well, why not me? So I put something out there that was nuts. I said, I'm going to win ten of these damn things. It's great.

And people were like, this guy, freaking arrogant, A-hole, blah, blah, blah. And like, well, wait a minute, if your kids tell you, dad, mom, stranger, what do you wanna be when you grow up? And they say, Dr. Lawyer, I wanna be entrepreneur, YouTuber, whatever, you don't piss on their parade. Right. So who are you to tell me any difference?

Throw it out there. What do you think, I'm gonna ask you a couple of things about this. I mean, you are saying some things in this interview. There's some of my favorite freaking things I've heard. It's got some credibility because it's you, right? I feel like because you did this. This isn't theoretical.

But so why don't most people repeat in life? Like I think of entrepreneurs. Mm-hmm. I know a lot of people that used to be rich that aren't anymore. I know a lot of people that were really, really doing well for a while, then they weren't.

I know I work with a lot of athletes that win one major golf tournament and never win another one. Or they get to a title belt in the UFC or in boxing that I've worked with and they can't repeat as champion. What is it about repeating? So it was repeating harder or easier and was you know, keep climbing right? Winning two is better than winning one. Winning five is better than winning four. So not only did you win, but you repeated. So you sustained a level of excellence

over a extended period of time. So in life, most people never touch their potential. But the few that do, very few of them then exceed it and continue to stretch it out further and further and further go to the next level of the video game. What is it that made you do that? Was it just a mental thought of I got the recipe now? I'm gonna tweak it or was it this? Do you threw out the big goal? So you hit the one goal of once, you're like, forget it's not one, it's 10. So the finish line got

further away or got bigger and that caused you to do the work. Do you know what it was? Yeah, when I did my first Arnold classic, I put it out there that I wanted to be top three. Okay. Being top three got me fifth. See, so sometimes you say like, oh, I want third, it may not work out like that. Very good. I got fifth. See, I know, I won't mention his name. If I had a mind, he won't want to miss your Olympia. And he said, all I wanted to do was win one. And that's all that happened. So you sell yourself short and, you know, I think that's okay, that's their dream, whatever.

For me, hell no, I looked at it for what it was. I was, you know, young enough and I was good enough and I didn't have any injuries at the time. It was more like, why not? Why not? Do you fall in love with the process and not just the destination for you the time. It was more like, why not? Why not? Do you fall in love with the process and not just the destination for you? For sure, it was like, I mean, how can I transform this body

into this is crazy? And it comes from hard work, discipline, all that. But when I recognize that I could do this better, again, I'll talk about video games. It's like, the best thing is not just to get you know, I'm like old school arcade guys. So like we go to arcade. Oh, I got my name in the in the game, but your 10th, dude. Don't you want to be a number one? And that's how I looked at it. It was like, okay, well, I have I have an opportunity. If I choose to, to play that game again, and just challenge myself, like how big can I

go? I mean, it could be, you know, in anything. It could be literally anything. Just how competitive with myself can I do this? How can I gamify this? You, there's a level of competitiveness with you that's almost scary. Even when I first said to you, hey, there's all these people that think that want to be the number one in what they do. Not only did you say they're lie, but you said it with a level of like, disdain in almost anger, like you don't know what this is,

and that's mine. There's a great athletes that I work with or that I know, or even the elite business women or businessmen that I know, they are psycho competitive. They want to beat everybody, but they also want to find this, they're, they want to explore their capacity. Yes. And that's, I mean, you just kept exploring it and exploring and exploring it. I'm curious, like physically training. So for me, I never felt smaller in my life sitting across from you. Rave's telling the producers us to share here, like when he gets in here, I will never look smaller in my life. But I know for me that when I'm training for something, I train harder than when I'm just training,

and I'm an amateur at any sport I do, right? But I mean, where I've got some real clear goal like right now, I'm trying to go from like I was like 226, I wanna just see what it would be like to get my body at 185. I just curious as to what it'll look like, and then I'll play with it when I get there. People are like, why do you wanna do that?

I don't really need to lose the weight. I just want the physical challenge of doing it. I wanna see if I can express my body differently at 50 years old, right? So I'm trying to do that. So I'm training more focused because I've got this clear goal. I'm curious, when you would physically train,

you're going in there to do which the hardest thing for everybody is leg day. Are you, is there a part of you like flashing? I'm not kidding either, I wanna know this. Are you like flashing to the Olympia, you're gonna be on the stage, like as you're grinding through legs, are you just doing the process,

or is there a part of you that like kind of visualizes the dream, maybe just even like a flash of it when you're training or when you're driving to the gym, or when you're going home, are you in a continuous state of thinking about the ultimate outcome or do you just execute all the time? Um, I sit with myself prior to training for a comp and I try to visualize based on what

I previously have done, okay, what I want to improve on. So you mentioned leg day. So one of the things I realized was I really good leg development. However, I wanted to maximize it to neutralize another competitors leg development. See, so my mind was thinking like a boxer of saying, this guy's got a great jab, man. Now, my jab may not have to be as good as his, but I got to be able to move accordingly just to do the counter. And if I can neutralize his strength, how's it got to deal with mine? Very good.

So when I'm doing, you know, legs, my mindset was you must treat this day better than any other day. This one right in my leg. This leg day because average person, if I say by raising hands who wants to train arms with me, everybody's gonna raise their hands. If I say chest, if I say legs, they start squirming. Yep. So I recognized that I was probably the same. So I wanted to produce a challenge to myself.

So I did legs twice a week and cardio. So you're not in the most advantageous scenario where your legs are fresh, right? You're like dying and I'm thinking, but I need that pain. I'm gonna go to a different level of like, do you really want this? And there was days that, I remember one time I'm training

in San Jose, California with my old trainer, only Ramboid and he's putting me through the paces. And he says, okay, do walking lunges. And my girlfriend at the time now, now fiance Sheree was just like, you didn't tell him when to stop. He goes, I know. He goes, but he knows. He's just gonna keep going.

That's awesome. So we kind of know like, okay, do four sets of 50 yards just in that, you know. He trusts me. It's more like Phil Jackson Jordan type of thing. I just kept going. And I just went until I had tears in my eyes. And, um, you know, they thought it was, she thought it was sweat.

And then she realized he's like, wobbling and this and that. And I'm like struggling to get up. And then she like ran over at Hanie. I could hear him in the background because I had my headphones on and he was like, no, told her no. And I look back on, I was like, I kept going until I was ready. We get in the car, we go eat. And then she later on asked me what was that about? And I said, he may not tell you but like he and I kind of we understand each other He knew I needed that she like well, what is that? I said my dad had just died and I heard him Say keep going You ain't done and he was a tough dude, man, so I was like, I had already made a commitment that I was going to go the extra mile to make

him proud. And then I thought, well, I got to go to a place where I'm almost hallucinating, right? And I'm in my spirit. And then I could keep going and that was like so special for me because I went to another level that I know damn well other people aren't willing to go and they talk about the zone. So you can be in the zone playing hoops right you know you hit an uncomfortable threes you know like Steph Curry this night you just keep shooting me like like, man, I can't miss. Do that in bodybuilding too. You really? Yeah.

Oh, yeah, you've had guests like Joe, dispens, and stuff. Totally. Yeah. You trick your mind and you stand your spirit and stuff and who's to tell you that you have to stop at 12 repetitions. Every now and again, just go. As long as you're not hurting yourself, right? You know, we're talking about tendons and ligaments and joints and stuff

Doing that then there's a problem I was in his own and Yeah, I heard my pops and That kept me going and I'm glad he showed up for me. So cool. I didn't grow up with him So to hear him show up for me like that. That's incredible. I was like, hell yeah, like no one's gonna, no one's gonna tear me alive. Like I'm, my soul's on fire man.

These guys gonna have some freaking hell to pay come September. I love it. And I whoop their ass. I love it. This was 2013, you know, the 2013, 2014, 2015, like, you know, like I'm like, these guys have no chance because I'm willing to go to places where they won't mentally. They think, now mind you, you watch a YouTube video, the guy could be training, you know, 800 pounds squats. I'll never do that. 500

pound bench, I'll never do that. But the intensity, I would outlast them. No question about we pick a certain way in a certain given time when they don't wanna do it. Mm-hmm. You know, I was just, and I embraced that, as our friend Tim Grover would say, the dark side, I freaking love that part. Yeah, brother, there's so much depth to you and your ability to articulate it is unbelievably special.

And I'm over here like ready literally to punch you and let you punch me back. I'm so sorry. I'm just I have to tell you like there's so much unpacking things you say. So this idea of hallucinations hallucinating is such a great thing to do. It's such got such a bizarre connotation for people but great people hallucinate a lot. They hallucinate about what they're capable of. They hallucinate about what they're capable of. They hallucinate about what it's gonna be like when they get there. They hallucinate about how they're gonna get

through different painful situations. It's such a really unique word that you used. I have hallucinations all the time. And I think they're beautiful. It's a form of dreaming, but it's also a form of inspiration. The other thing is when you push past certain barriers in your life that most you know, most people or even ourselves think we're not capable of, that's when beautiful moments like this gift

from your dad showing up reveal themselves to us. And it's, so both of those things happen for a really unique reason. I just love how you phrase things and I love the fact that you've done all of them, none of them are theory for you. Let's talk about one of the things about bodybuilding. And we're talking about bodybuilding, but we're really not today, right? I told my life. It's a metaphor. But you have to, someone like you has built, or maybe you're unconscious of this too. You've built a relationship with pain that is unlike what most people have with pain. Your relationship with it. In other words, everything that you have to do requires pain.

That's not true in every other sport. It's not true in most careers. There's elements of it, but you develop, maybe you're not conscious of it, but I'm going to make you be conscious of it right now. You have a relationship with pain that is remarkable because you went through it every single day over and over and over again. So how do you view pain? If you thought about that, like everything you did

every single day required extreme pain most of the time. So how do you think you have a relationship with it? Like you run towards it every day, you have bitchly embraced pain. Do you think about it in the gym daily? Yeah. And that daily. Yeah. Um, and that interesting? Very.

I appreciate the opportunity to answer this. I loved it. You loved pain. Look at your face. Wow. It's dawning on you right now. Yeah, like the sweat, you know, because it just reminds me of like how many people they, they BS. Oh, the blood, sweat and tears is like, what blood, what sweat, man?

What are we really talking about? We're talking about like doing the work when you are at your most vulnerable in your personal life, or in your business business When you don't feel like it When your friends have turned it against you When that business partner lied to you When you're going through divorce And people are judging you and shaming you And all I have is the gym

And being in gratitude thinking God that I have the gym to unleash all of that and be my most authentic self in that process of pain. I'm not out drinking and partying and hurting someone else. I'm actually using a pair of dumbbells and barbells and machines and loud Metallica and hip hop to build something. And hoping that what I'm doing is going to create a physique that people will enjoy and do it with a small in my face. And I think with the pain, it's just necessary to feel it, brought me pleasure, because I know that it's required. It's going to suck. No different than like playing basketball meaning practice and he says on the line and you're like I really got a run Yeah, and then eventually you it's almost like you have to trick your mind and becoming a psycho and saying

more more more more And then you mean it I I want more. If it requires pain inside to become better outside, what better message to my creator and to help other people to deal with theirs? Because people are all dealing with freaking pain. And they're scared to stand in front of it. And it ain't like I don't have demons either that I got to address, right? And I've learned that when you hide or you try to, you know, put them on the rug, that's

burning me up inside. So if I got to feel some pain now, what's on the other side of it? Try them. I want the triumph at moment. Now, what's on the other side of it? Gosh. Triumph. I want the triumph at moment. I have to have it because I'm tired of living in this pain. And yeah, that's how I, I mean, I'm not getting ready for a show right now,

but if I was in the gym, I'd people would be like, damn, this guy's a machine, but yet, I'm like, that's just what I do. What'd you do? You built this familiarity with pain and you enjoyed it because you know on the other side of it was growth and benefit. And everyone should relisten to this. You should share with anybody that you care about it,

anything in life because if you can adjust your relationship with pain and understand that the mere presence of it is actually a really an opportunity for growth on the other side of it. And that's not some hokey, you know, theoretical, weird thing to say. It's an actual truism in life. I don't, I like to think I have a good relationship with pain. It's not like yours because you've proved it over and over a day and in day out that I think, you know, you were called the gift and I, you know, this unique nuance, man,

when I didn't know you, I thought this dude is not cocky, but wow, a really, really confident dude. I don't think if you're proven it, it's not cocky. It's real. But as I've gotten to know you and meaning you, such a high degree of humility with you too, and vulnerability. Like, you're really a kind, gentle man for being so big and strong. My favorite people, nuance, that line really close. They nuance, tremendous self-confidence

with the degree of humility. Because confidence without humor, if you have no humility, means you're not curious, you're not gonna grow, you're not gonna improve. But then we all have those friends that are really humble but have no confidence, you're always having to pick them up and drag them, right? So there's this right in the middle of the people

that I like, and you have a lot of confidence combined with humility. You seem to have that, you agree with that? Absolutely, I think those people you just mentioned, I'm like squirming in my chair, because I'm like, they have no clue how great they can be. And they can inspire others because they're so afraid of someone else's opinion. I think most dreams are stolen because of people's concerns about what other people think about them. Yeah, it's calling yourself humble all the time and this and that and

about what other people think about them. Yeah, it's calling yourself humble all the time and this and that and, you know, man, what do you really want? You know, I used to tell people like, I remember watching the sugar shame mostly of Floyd Mayweather fight. Remember that fight? And there was a moment in time where he stunned Floyd. He sure did, I remember.

He do though after. He stopped, he like stepped back. He kind of like looked like. Like did. Did I just do that? I remember. He sure did. What did he do though after? He stopped. He like stepped back. He kind of like looked like did I just do that. I remember. Oh my god. And I remember everyone we were all watching it. It's actually a weekend where all the pros actually get together at an event and we all get posted together. So we watch the fights together. And we're all like this is the moment. And then I said, nope, he's gonna recover and it's over now. And we saw what happened. And then we're all kind of like stunned.

And I stand up and I go, you guys don't get it. That window of opportunity, all he needed to just go through that window, but then as he goes through it, it's open. Yes, everything's open. Everything is open now. Through a needle, he thread the needle. He had his chance and that never came again.

We never seen Floyd get rocked like that. You're right. And Floyd, look, because Floyd learned, like, shoot, like, he's stupid. And the truth gave me, he gave me an opportunity to get back. He could have wailed on me right there. and Shane was never the same after that either. No, because he was and but we we look at their demeanor. Now boxing is much different, but they're selling the fight and it's great analogy, but it's great analogy. Did did did did mostly put in the work? Absolutely. He's a he's a multi champion as well.

Great fighter, but he was so nice. We'll always say that. Man, he was nice. Yeah. What we say about Floyd, we say all kind of crazy stuff about Floyd. But we we can't say that he was a loser. Yep. He was a winner. They could say, Oh, he picked us five. He's still one. Yep. And when someone had the opportunity to knock him off, And when someone had the opportunity to knock them off, they didn't. And if he would, I swear, if we got sugar shane in a room, he probably admitted. He say, I had him. I should have gone. I should have pounced on him and beat the hell out of him. You're unbelievable, bro, because that's such a great metaphor in life.

It's very true. These little windows open up in our lives, and they're not going to keep coming. And when they open, you better jump on them. You better get through them because if you don't, they may not come again. And I think in those moments, it's what you said earlier, I think of those moments, there was something in Shane that was different than there was something in Floyd because by the way, Shane Sugar Shane Mosley was a great fighter. There was that moment in that fight. By the way, Shane was a little bit maybe past his prime in that fight But there was a part of Shane that I think didn't think he deserved to beat Floyd Exactly what you said earlier and you're nodding yes and Floyd still believed he deserved to whoop his butt in that fight And that window opened up for Floyd He jumped on it and the rest is history. Floyd kept winning fights after that. So man. What a great analogy

Right, do you use that a lot? I was reading you were saying saying that you like you, you, you, part of your work that you do. And by the way, you know, you should be following Phil because if you want to, you know, the ultimate, there's, there's lots of different people in life. There's motivational people. There's inspiring people. Then there's these motivating and inspiring people are awesome. Then there's people who they're being. Their life is motivating and inspiring. You're both. You're a motivating and inspiring person the way you behave and what you talk about. But your actual example of your life is motivating and inspiring, right? So I'm like, what unpacks that?

How does this happen? And you said there's something about like reality and emotional triggers, which sort of feeds into what you were just saying a little bit. Talk about that for a second. What do you mean by that? Hmm. Well, people have to recognize a second. What do you mean by that? Hmm. Well, people have the record guys, how they, what triggers them to do this or that. I think, and I had to learn this, when dealing with adversity, how do I respond? Do I respond

or do I react? They're two totally different things. What's the difference? Sometimes when you react, you react very poorly. You react out of insecurity, you react out of anger, your emotions are out of check. When you respond, you're at peace with yourself. You've already practiced this. Okay.

See, when someone says, Hey, you know, Mariah Carey goes saying this, she knows how to respond to that. Eminem goes spit of verse, you know, as I respond to that. Someone that's unprepared, they react like, oh, you know, they react. Why now? Why now?

I'm like, hold on, I'm not ready yet. Let me pull out my, yeah, so, you know, you know how to react. I wanna respond respond really good. How do you respond to the challenges in your life? And that takes practice. But it's really unpacking like your darkest, your darkness, the things that prevent you from succeeding, the times that you procrastinated and that

went over opportunity passed you by. And a lot of the time, let me look like I can't say that that hasn't happened to me. Me too. But I learned from it. And I think as soon as you learn from that stuff and you do a, we call it a forensic audit on your emotions, and you write that stuff down, my standards have always been high, obviously. My insecurity has been high as well.

And I've used both. Even in the peak of your career, something security? Yeah, because I'm not secure with the, you know, well, the peak, oh man, I mean, when I won number four out of seven, started to get some mad chirping going on. And that was around the time where people started, like you heard a couple of booze.

And I thought, oh man, I remember our elite president, Jim Mangin said, ah, the hell with them, you're like Tom Brady, man. Just take the trophy and you want it fair and square. This and I don't let that bother you. Well, I did. It did bother you. It did bother me.

And then the false narrative started coming out like as if I wasn't deserves something. And then there was a documentary out of your prior generation Iron that made me look like I didn't earn anything. And I was gifted everything. You just naturally gifted. So I was just like out a year prior, a generous snire that made me look like I didn't earn anything. And I was gifted, I was gifted everything. You just naturally gifted. So I was just like, oh my gosh, I'm not being appreciated

for my hard work. So I was having like my Kanye moment where I was just like, I want my respect. Yep. You're going to respect me. And then I thought, you know what, the more you speak on this stuff, the more people are hating on you more,

fear attracting these demons, these devils. And then I went into a darker place and I said, I can take it and I'll flip it around. Leverage it. Because at that phase of my life, I had, you know, dad passing, divorce, which was very expensive, a business that failed very expensive. Stepmom passed, and I'm supposed to be the best one.

These are like three, four consecutive years, things are happening. And I wasn't really vocal about it. Because I grew up as an only child and I just was kind of taught just to keep it to yourself and just focus on the craft. I appreciate you sharing that. So I, yeah. So I know different than anybody else. I love that you say that because I think people would think you are. Oh hell. And I think I think the gift sort of makes people think that right. The fact that you're really vulnerable today, brother, I really appreciate that because even for me, it's inspiring. I have tons of insecurities. I have learned to leverage them. And our life, all the decisions we're making are either to gain pleasure or avoid pain. Both are great mechanisms. So I have things I want to chase that I'm dreaming

about that I visualize that I'm moving towards. That's gaining pleasure, right? It's going to make me happier, more blissful or whatever. That's wonderful. Also, avoiding pain is a powerful emotion. It's a powerful mechanism to move us. The fear of losing is not always a bad thing because it can cause you to train hard to avoid the pain of losing. We're losing a business. Right, so a couple of things last things,

because we can go eight hours with the wisdom that you have, and I've got to 20% of the things that I wanted to ask you But one of the things I did want to know about was your faith You've referenced it a few times today and I know how important it is to you Is that a new thing in your life and how how important and what role does faith play in Phil Heath's life? I always had it, but I think I um I want to say afraid of it, but because I think when you say afraid of it, it's just that you don't wanna be held accountable.

Yeah, you may be afraid to let God down sometimes, too, right? I've had that. Wow, people, I don't wanna let God down too much. But then I wanna be a false prophet, either. Right. Yep. So I think, as I've gotten older, I realized, like, how do I want this? Like, I'm 42, so I figure, well, theoretically, I'm on the back and nine of this golf course. How do I want this like I I'm 42 so I figure well theoretically I'm on the back and

nine of this golf course. How do I want to end it? Because I can't bring none of that stuff with me. It's gonna be it's gonna stay here. The trophies all that stuff. I want to know that I have a real relationship with my creator and Know that I'm appreciative and I'm being in more in gratitude because To do what I've done Obviously requires a lot of hard work, but I mean I've been injured. I had a couple hernias surgeries I was you know, I dealt with that you know, I had you know, I had a torn MCL and I still competed through it Didn't even know I had one until I got the MRI.

And they're like, yeah, this has been gone for a couple of years. I've had a lot of stuff and I'm thinking, well, I didn't do this on my own. When I was in my subconscious mind, was I just in my subconscious mind? Or did I have a little push from the Holy Spirit? So, I recognized that later and then I realized who has been in my corner the entire time, the people that have put in my life as specific season of my life. And wow, I couldn't have orchestrated this. That's beautiful.

You know, I found bodybuilding, I mean, looking back at it, I should have been doing it when I was a teen, you know, because of my geneticism stuff, I never thought of that, but everything had a purpose. So, you know, in my documentary, Breaking the Olympia, we go through all those things, you know, and we go through my those things you know and we go through my quote unquote last dance and

That wasn't on me. That's beautiful. So I recognize now That I'm older. Mm-hmm. Got a little wisdom. Mm-hmm What if I Max out on my faith. I love that. Let's just see how further I can go. And especially with what I see happening in the world today, with very timid men, very timid. And I'm not saying that the baddest man on the planet, I'm not.

But I'm man enough to admit that and to work on that and to receive love and to give it. And you know, that couldn't have happened without having a strong faith and understanding that it's not about how many trophies I can win. It's about how I can make people feel about themselves and produce some principles in their life. Some reassurance that, hey, it takes one to no one, right? You know, I can't just, you know, do this and do this. You're gonna have the certainty of this. It's like, oh man, like, this is what I did. When I was going through divorce,

this is what I did to kind of maintain focus. Oh, when you're, when you're, when I was guest posing in 2000 and 2014 and I've just passed, March 29th, 2014, I'm guest posing at David Lee Ruehminshow, including Ohio, getting the car, find out that my dad just passed. And I knew he was gonna pass, he passed, young, he was 65. But I get to the hotel and I realize,

oh wow, I have to be a professional because I have a VIP event at a restaurant and I'm gonna meet 200 people. Ooh, so what do I do? I had a choice. I could either, and I'm gonna meet 200 people. So what do I do? I had a choice. I could either, and I did this. I lifted up to the laptop, where do you think I went? I went to Facebook.

I typed out one sentence and I slammed that damn thing and I turned it off. Almost threw it. I was so angry with myself because I said, the world doesn't need to know this right now. How do you feel right now? You haven't even, you immediately go to social media. Yeah.

These people don't care about you feel, how do you feel right now? Okay, give myself a moment and then share one tear. Okay, was that because you're callous or this? No, love my pops. We were just starting to reconnect after all these years of not being absent. Hmm, okay.

Get a shower, get this stupid bronzer, and tanning off, and see how you feel then. No tears. Then Phil is not time yet. Because you got 200 people downstairs at this restaurant that have paid money to see the man. Called him a best friend in college, best friend to this day. Put him on FaceTime, I told him what happened, we raised a glass, I did my shot, and went to work. And I didn't tell that story until later because it wasn't necessary. Necessary and I then that's where you know, I I felt like You know my faith Was stronger because I recognized that my dad did live and

He is not gone He is with me more And he probably gave me some boost in that moment and said don't worry about it. I'm good You go do because that's what he would have said. Like, if you could have just appeared here, and I'm like, I'm good. I'm not sick anymore, but you got these people down here. You better go take care of them. So for me, it's paramount

because I want to touch the world in a way that has zero to do with flexing your biceps. I just want them to remember who the hell they are, who the heck they are. I want them to be energized about life and to understand that there's going to be wise in a road. You're going to fail. You're going to have people doubt you, people pulling for you. But if you do believe in the higher power, if you do believe in Jesus, you're definitely gonna have something more powerful

than you can ever imagine. It's just me, some doors, some opportunities, if you allow him to drive. Bro. So that's just me. I don't push it on people. I'm just saying it's impacted my life. And in this stage of my life, in this season,

I know that it's going to yield some incredible things. And it already has. yield some incredible things. And it already has, I'm already here. I'm alive and I'm showing more gratitude of what I've accomplished. And in fact, for a long time, I didn't even stare at my trophies. And I always felt like, who cares? It's all about the next one.

That's true. Man, can you just celebrate a little bit and acknowledge what you did? Like acknowledge it? Because if you get into that habit of not acknowledging the victory, you're not gonna wanna keep doing it. And then when you lose, you're gonna lose hard.

You got it. And I lost hard. So I know what that felt like. So therefore, I will not do that anymore. I will stare at those trophies and say, each one of them has a story. Each one of them has a story that I can help. Maybe somebody else,

a couple of friends or someone else and whoever wants to listen or whatever. And now I get to share. And it did come with a lot of pain and torture and blah blah blah, a lot of sacrifice. But most importantly, I was able to thank God for my body because I put it through hell and back. And I think that's, I know that's where I'm at right now is to just be like, man, like I still train and, you know, and people are like, man, you're doing it limp-in in the cheerleader on, because I, you know,

I'm 260 pounds right now. I could easily get it back up to 280 and drop down. And then I think to myself, it's really cool to be in control of knowing that you can do it if you choose to. And if you don't, you can do something completely different. I think what you just did today, brother, I'm just sitting here blown away, just to be really honest with you. Like, I'm blown away. I knew your IQ was super high. I knew you had a deep

faith. I knew you had unbelievable the community, your ability to communicate, but today was unbelievable. Oh, thank you. Look at me. I'm telling you, unbelievable. And no pun intended, you were a gift today for a completely different reason than you've been for many many years in the bodybuilding world and you know, thinking about You know, your dad how proud he must be of you Mm-hmm, you know, and you said that you know that you had this kind of recognition and realized your faith or the profound impact of God being in your life the whole time The power of what you just said and who you are is you just helped a whole bunch of people for the first time themselves realize that with the story that you told. So I got to ask you one last thing we got to do it quickly. What are the

chances of you making one more run to catch Coleman, right? You got seven, he's got eight just because today was all about life, not anything about bodybuilding, but my bodybuilding audience is going to want to know like if you don't ask Phil Heath, then you made a mistake. So percentage chance, all about life, not anything about bodybuilding, but my bodybuilding audience is gonna wanna know. If you don't ask Phil Heath, then you may be the mistakes. So percentage chance, one to 100 that you, at some point, go make a run for eight again. I like that last part, you said at some point, because it doesn't have to mean today.

Correct. 5% at some point. At some point, it could, you know, but, okay. Right now, it's staying at five. Okay, I love that. And I have to tell you that I, for some reason, think that I hope you,

if you wanna make around that and riches your soul, do it, but you found your calling. And I think bodybuilding all the way from, you're upbringing with the way you were raised with your parents, your dad, and they were a little bit distant all the way through, you know, basketball, to ballies, to your body building career, to all of this stuff, to all the reading you do,

all the praying you do, he's a self improvement addict. I just feel like you've been in preparation for this season of your life the whole time. And that was just the pro, that was the backstory that's gonna give you credibility to teach all the lessons you did today. So Phil Heath, thank you so much for today. Thanks, brother.

Exceeded my expectations. Go follow Heath, thank you so much for today. Thanks brother. Exceeded my expectations. Go follow heat, fill on everything on social media and keep your eye out for breaking Olympia documentary that'll be out at some point soon, where you can get even more of the backstory on this man's incredible life and incredible journey. So hey everybody, make sure you're sharing this show. This is one of these, you gotta hear the heck Phil Heath sex is not what I expected. There's some stuff

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