THE ED MYLETT SHOW - The Face of Fearlessness with Chuck Liddell

Episode Date: November 13, 2019

The Face of Fearlessness with "THE ICEMAN" Chuck Liddell The best fighters are the ones that can take the hits. The world's most successful people are the ones who can take life‘s punches and never give up. In this interview, I sat down with my friend Chuck Liddell and talked about his journey, from the beginning stages of his career to life after UFC, and how his successes, struggles, and hardships are life lessons for us all. Chuck is the most well-known UFC fighter of all time. Spending an hour with one of the toughest guys on earth was a powerful experience. We discuss what makes him so fearless, the impact his grandfather had on him and how he fell in love with martial arts. Chuck was gifted with heavy hands, but in this interview, he gets real about the truth behind what really set him apart from the rest.  We dive deep into his transition out of the ring and how he was able to give up a part of his life that, for so long, made up his entire identity. Chuck is a prime example of how you can channel your passion to become a positive influence and live your purpose. He even answers the burning question of “Who was your toughest opponent?” and shares his thoughts on where the sport is going now. You won’t want to miss this one!

This is the Ed Millard Show. Welcome back to Max out everybody. This gentleman to my left is one of the most recognizable athletes of the last many decades. Certainly one of the most recognized faces and haircuts of all time. He is the Iceman, and he is one of the all-time greats. Many would argue the greatest USC fighter in the history of MMA.

So, man, I'm fired up, you're here, brother. Thanks for having me, man. Thanks, Chuck. Chuck Lidell, everybody, in case you didn't know. So, thanks for being here. By the way, we decided to start out with a toast. A little tequila, a toast, our interview today. Salud.

Boom. That's good. It's actually pretty good, huh? It's 1942. Yeah, 1942. And I'm favorite. Is it? How?

Good. Well, I got a little left one more time. Hey, listen, there's so many things I want to talk to you about, but when the people that are watching this on YouTube, they're going to see a little scar here. And then my road shut down today, everybody. So it's perfect timing. He had to walk. And then my road shut down today, everybody. So it's perfect timing. He had to walk. Yeah, it's road shut down.

Just happens the day I had knee surgery about a week ago. A week ago. I mean, it was a partial knee replacement. Doing well, so I was able to walk. Still make it down in a particular while. But, perfect timing. It's a good work out here on my knee. So now I just need to realize, I think. This is part of the post career thing, guys, but perfect timing. It's a good work out here on my knees, so now I'm just

sitting in the middle of the lights, I think. This is part of the post career thing, guys, don't see. You're talking about some of our mutual friends like NFL guys or boxing dudes and whatnot, but not only do you have the need done, but you also had your neck done too. Tell them what you've done. Seeing these scars on you. I just, well, a few weeks back, I had my C3C4 done.

Well, I didn't know anything was wrong. Look, I'm born athletes, we're meatheads. Like if I have problems issue, because my C3C4 was sliding, so what it was doing was causing me to lose coordination and balance. Really? I couldn't, fast forward to that,

but I'll talk about later, but I couldn't pack a passage. I couldn't stand in one foot. You're kidding me with my eyes closed. As soon as I close my eyes, I lose balance. They asked me to go across the walk, or I could heal toe, my eyes closed. I couldn't take one step, I was falling over. So, I'm going, wow, I guess I was.

I didn't have a problem, sorry. No, but I went down, I was trying to put off doing the replacement on me, right? So my doctor said do whatever you can to put it off and been putting it off for three or four years. And finally I went down to Columbia, the guys from BioExcelerator talked to me and they do some stem cells down there and they're doing a little different, I tried stem cells up here that worked for about a month, maybe a month and a half. By me and they started going back to normal.

So I'm okay. But they said down there, they're able to do a lot more than they're allowed to do in the US. Where's there? Columbia. Out of the US, they're allowed to do a lot more. So I get down there and I get my knee down and I get both shoulders, both shoulders and beat up for my whole career. Actually my old doctor, my old doctor for my shoulders, I pretty much guarantee you're going

to have surgery before by the time you're 50, you look like you played the NFL for 10 years. Remember, I turned 50 this year and I still haven't had surgery, so thank you. It's awesome. But I went down there, I got both of them shot up and I was doing my knee and they asked the last minute, is there any place else that you might want to take care of them? I said, well you know what I mean, neck has been really sore for quite a while. It seems to stay sore.

I said, okay, let me, let's do an MRI first, but then we'll do it. That is really good with like, bul bulge desks for the stem cells. I've heard that. So I went and they look at the eye comes in, the doctor comes in, he's looking at me. Buddy, just getting numbness to your hands, did you lost any coordination or balance? No, I'm fine.

Cause I thought I was, and I really did. Yeah, no problem. He said, well, when you get home, give me a prescription for a test to take. Okay. And told me to take it to the doctor, and I'm look at. Okay. So I came home, and then I went to Vietnam for a month,

family with a Saudi Arabia, and we went for a fight. Okay. Much a fight, and then I came came home and then we were doing something. But a month later, maybe a month, about the half later, my wife's like, Chuck, what's wrong with you? You keep dropping things. I'm clumsy, you know, that I've always been clumsy.

Because I was always clumsy. You were clumsy? I was always one of those guys, like, if I'm not doing, I'm not thinking my mind's always somewhere else. So I trip over things, like, do you not do stupid stuff? I catch myself for good, because athletic, and when I'm athletic doing, I'm not thinking my mind's always somewhere else. So I trip over things, like, do you not do stupid stuff? I catch myself for a good, because athletic, and when I'm athletic, I wasn't,

when I'm working on something, I'm, I was very not clumsied. Yeah, obviously. But she's like, no, no, you're, you're probably, it's more than normal. It's just, right, so let's go see the doctors. Let's finally go see what they told me to do down there. So I went into my doctor, Dr. Melamed,

he's a, this center actually down there. And I went in to see him and he looked at it, he looked at the MRI and he told me, go and give these x-rays, he came back and I walked in the room to talk to him because, so you don't have any symptoms, huh? Do me a favor. Walk across the room, stand over there,

close your eyes and do a, hit, walk, kill, toe. So I went over to walk, kill, toe, it was like this. Whoa. No, no, no, I'm fine, I'm fine, I just messed that up. Sorry, I get too much chance I couldn't do it. You couldn't do it. I couldn't do, like, my eyes, with my eyes. That scared me, that was scared me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, stand on one foot, now put your hands out, stand on one foot and touch it. I couldn't do heel toe, like my eyes, with my eyes. That scared me, that was scared me. Yeah, yeah, they said, well, now put your hands out, stand on one foot and touch it. I couldn't stand one foot, I couldn't balance on one foot. And so he goes, well, so yeah, you need to do surgery, you need to do a test, and he goes, well, we'll squeeze you in next week. Next week? Well, I'm like, well, that seems fast.

I'm sure we need to find it like what. Right. And then my wife was like, well, let's get a second opinion. Let's make sure we talk something. First thing I went to another place, they looked at the thing and just looked at it. Yeah, for sure. He's like, yeah.

So you need surgery. We have to wait till this doctor gets back, but we get squeezed when he gets back. I was like, why is it so much? Yeah, right. So, well, the thing is, it's sliding a little bit. So, it's tapping my spinal cord. It's causing some damage.

And then they said, for some reason I got some big trauma to it. It's a good chance that it could. Prolisus. Yeah. Brother. So, I was like, okay, cool. Really, guys, the good chance that it could be a pro-losses. Yeah, brother. So I was like, okay, cool We went guys. So the nice thing about it is I mean, I've been doing the same surgery for about 30 years They they say that it's a

You know and right when you walk like when I walked out like right when I got up that I got up from surgery I was able to balance someone for me. I was a difference So I mean, I think there's still a little more coming back They said there's a little time for everything to come back. It takes a couple of months before it's all fused. You know why it's important? Because you and I know, I mean, you know more than I do, but we both have a lot of friends

that are athletes that have been in a combat sport. Obviously, your sport, the biggest combat sport, but I'm talking hockey guys NFL guys too. You know what people don't see? What the post career looks like. And when you're seeing these guys take these putting beatings on guys and taking beatings, one of the things I've, you know, Chuck, as I've worked with more UFC guys and or MMA folks and boxing guys on their mental game, I go to training. It's something a fan doesn't think about. I never thought about. We see the interaction, the combat that happens in the cage,

but they don't think about the combat that's been happening for months prior in training. So this is just one day of combat, right? The amount of blows a guy like you was delivering and taking over the years. I think your admiration for these athletes everybody, if you knew what training looked like for them. Would you agree with that?

I don't think it's a training work. Training was the work. That was the hard part. The reward for me was the fight. That's a reward. I got to go out and fight. Yes. We're here ready to go.

That's fun. And there's not a lot of damage that occurs in that short about a time. Think about it. You're out. I mean, we're working a couple times a day. You got guys rotating in on you. You're doing this. You're doing that. You can injured. You're working through it times a day. You've got guys rotating in on you, you're doing this, doing that, you can enjoy,

you're working through it, you're doing all your things. And that's the hard part. Camp is the hard part. The camp is the hard part. The camp is always what makes it harder. Do you ever thought of take your neck, for example, right? Everyone, even if you see an NFL quarterback, like I've got real good friends and they're done,

like they don't walk like a normal person anymore. Right? After those years of sacrifice and any of these sports, these athletes have laid a lot of their body on the line. If you ever thought in your life how many punches you've absorbed to different parts of your body, it's literally, I mean, oh my God, what's the- I could tell you. I mean, even as I play football in high school, you're at an end of year in college.

And I mean, I got more stingers from football than I am. You really? I remember, you know, really. So a lot of damage from me and from that. So you're this, I'm curious about you. I'm gonna go everywhere today. I've always for years, I love the UFC, I love MMA in general, but you particularly fascinate people.

I think you're the most well-known, I think you and Conor McGregor, the two most well-known UFC fighters of all time. Well, funny, my thing is, you know, you told me when I met me that I'm the reason that you got in MMA. That's right. I gotta think that's really common with guys.

You took a picture of me, what's happened to me a few times, the guys that were, when I took a picture of me when you were 16 years old after a fight, I had... No kidding. In the black city. And then you see them in the cage. So a picture of me.

Another guy, Pope, said on the... I thought it was pretty cool. He said, me a picture of his head, man. He took this picture with me when I was a kid. Now I'm fighting in the UFC. That's amazing, bro. Yeah, that's cool. What was it?

So, why people loved you, why I did. Your style was violent, right? There was, you were a fighter and kind of known as like a blue collar fighter, right? So I would watch you as a guy who's not a fighter, right? And obviously there's all these physical gifts and all the training and tactics and strategies. I'm curious, a badass dude like you, one of the... I'm sitting next to one of arguably the toughest

men on earth, even though you don't feel that way, but that's a fact. Were you scared before fights? Never. I love fighting. You know, I think I was a kid. I was giving a gift for my grandfather. I don't... I wish I could remember how he taught me that and how I felt that way. just giving a gift for my grandfather. I don't, I wish I could remember how he taught me that and how I felt that way. I've never been afraid of a man in my life. Because my thing was it was always like, it's not, I can't, I'm afraid of my ass bones.

I do have a walk in a barn and look around and see who you could be, who is that. So why? I don't care if I could be the one. He commits a fight and a offense, we fight. You know, I was, I brought up, you know, if you do something, if you, you step, you do somethin' wrong to me or to my friends,

we fightin'. So I don't really care if you can beat me up. You beat me up, you better beat me up good, cause we come back tomorrow, we'll do it all over again. There was somethin' though when you were a little boy, I recall you telling a story once, where your grandfather saw one of your buddies

gettin' picked on or something. It was like, what are you gonna do about this, right? Yeah, but he looked at it. He just went Here we go even then you were afraid of that guy I was it was bigger than me and Okay, I mean a few times threw me up through the down I kept coming got up like I lost to him. So I you know beat him that way But yeah, I wasn't, I was never, I was, I was, I, don't even know how I love fighting.

You do, you know. I started doing martial arts and I begged my mom for a couple of years to get her to let me do koi kong, koraido. I don't, I, that's all I beg you to actually, we kind of fell into doing that. I was better to do karate and she finds that okay, I'll take you to the right. I actually went by, which, that was kind of funny. I ended up doing Kempel in the end. Yeah. But we went by Kempel School twice. Okay. During the working hours and it was closed. So we were like, ah, okay, we were walking on my mom's side. I karate, dojo, and

it was, and oh, what's this one? No way. It was wandered in and it was a- Why did you want to do it? Cause it was no UFC. Oh, I used to watch Kung Fu theater and during the Kung Fu theater, they had these little demonstrations in the thing, right? And I was like, I'd see these guys

doing all these crazy breaks. I thought that was amazing. And I want to be able to do that. And I like everybody else. I thought I was going to go to a crime school. They're going to teach me some magic moves and I was going to beat everybody up. I beat anybody. I can defend anybody, do whatever I had to be able to do that. And I like everybody else. I thought I was going to go to a karate school. They're going to teach me some magic moves, and I was going to beat everybody up. I beat anybody up.

I can defend anybody, do whatever I had to do. And I went in there, and what happens a lot of times in our school, it's a lot of people, the first 36 months, you get your green belt. And people come in there, and they realize that there's no magic to it. And it's just a lot of hard work to get better. If you want to get better, you've got to work hard,

you've got to get better, you've got to learn. And library, that's when most people quit. For me, I felt like I wouldn't have, what do you mean? I figured out that, if I work hard on him, I can get better in him. If I outwork him, if I do more than he does, if I do this better than he does, I can get better in him, I can get better in him. If I outwork him, if I do more than he does, if I do this better than he does, I can get better than him, I can get better than him. Oh man, this is great. Really? I mean, I started to tell people, they asked me about, like I was not a casual martial

student. Like I mean, I went five days, they were open five days a week. I went five days a week. During rest and season, I went five days a week. I went after, no one goes to another. Conditioning class and thing after rest. And you did. I used to. After I, we go after football, I go, I go, I play football, I go, I go to karate.

I go, right. And then, and then there's that other thing too. Me and I was a little bit different. One of the good things I did was I was doing that. It was a hard style karate and they did great school. They had about 30, 40 like blue collar, just tough guys, rough necks, like the spar lot. And we are our dojo and our style

is the best one in full contact. We've been hanging around, we're the best jam in full contact. Boy, boy, boy, I want it for him, but boy, boy, we were just okay. Well, full contact, we were the best. And I had all these meet heads that like to fight, but I just sat there and trained with them. I was 15 years old, fighting men. Fighting men.

Yeah, well, that's times I was so funny. I was a married. It's kind of like, man, you always say that you need a job. I said, well, you know, I want to be summer, but I mean, I mean, I'm in high school, he's all. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, that's incredible. That's how I do.

I'm 15. Oh, man, I got a 50-year-old kick in my ass. No way. But I love that. I was, you know, there got a 50-year-old kickin' man ass one. No way. But I love that. I think there's a business lesson in that. One, obviously, the outwork, everybody thing is obviously a monster lesson for business. But the other part of it is putting yourself

in competition levels that are maybe passed what most people think are normal. For a 15-year-old boy to be fighting grown men and kickin' their ass is freaking unreal. Do you think that, I to ask you about you? Like, I wish I had nine hours with you, man, because I'm so, first off, that thing you said, because I'm, you know, people meet I'm a pretty big dude too, right? But I know what it's like to be afraid when a fight started.

I've been in a fight, I've wanted it to last it, but I've been afraid. You saying that you've not had a fear of another man is like, I'm, we're wired a little different, right? Which I love. I also feel like the guys I know that are the best fighters and there's a business principle in this too. Everyone knows you had some kind of electricity in these hands of yours that were special, right?

I mean, you would hit people and they would just collapse often, right? I mean, there's something. There's nothing. You're gifted with that, correct? I mean, I know there's technique. That's something. You had heavy hands. You had heavy hands. You're gifted with that, correct? I mean, I know there's technique. That's gifted. I mean, there's some things and John, how come I helped me harvest it and get it right?

It was your trader. My trader helped me harvest it and get it right away, but it's a gift. There's a gift there to this heavy electric hands. The Love Kit has an unboxing, right? He hits dudes and they just fall. Tyson had it in boxing too. You had it and I mean, it was just remarkable to watch you hit people

and things that would happen to their bodies that they couldn't control, right? But the thing that I think people, because I think that's happened in business too, they're like, well, this person's just, they're electric in their energy, they're electric in their mind. And yeah, you could look at those things and say,

that's what makes them special in business. But what I think makes a fighter different is they don't mind getting hit. It's not just their ability to hit. They don't mind getting, you don't fight, because I've been in there with guys now, the difference of absorbing a blow and coming back and hitting another man

is if it didn't hit you, like you don't mind getting, and that's the separator in business. In businesses, a lot of people have that extraordinary talent. How good are you at taking hits, right? Talk about that thing with you, or what a great fight. And that's the thing, I see it right away. If you're afraid to get hit, if you're overly like doing this, oh.

You know that? I can see it, and I'm like, oh man, this is gonna be easy. Is that, because I know I can throw fakes to do things, make things, you're really jumping, you're making it real easy to hit you. You did not mind that. No, I didn't want to get hit. But it's part of the game. If I mess up, I get hit, but I get hit. You have that fire back. It's like, oh, you hit me. Okay, now here we go. I'm gonna get you It's not like it's a different fire the fire back for me. Oh man, let's go. Oh, I just got hit

It's oh, oh you hit me I'm a mad you imagine hit me. You mean I messed up damn it. We can get you Would you ever be in an even in big fights at the top levels? Like there's this unbelievable, guys, I'll tell you something. I've watched a lot of sports documentaries. There's this 30 for 30 out right now about you kind of day in a white and Tito or T's. Guys, it's, it's so good.

And you're unbelievable in it. But they kind of allude to this, at least in Europe stuff. Did you know, they kind of allude, and I don't mean to disrespectfully to Tito, but they kind of allude to the fact that he didn't want to fight you he had sparred with you Take them through if you don't mind for a minute and then you're opinion about it now that you're not on the 30 for 30 We trained together All right, we trained you to hear that man's you know trained together a few times

We did some stuff together. You're both managed by day and white and we're both bands But they know what and I actually became friends with some of the guys that trained with him and friends of his. And I didn't dislike the guy. I was, we were cool. I was cool though, I'd say, I don't like song. But when it came time to round time, where we were starting to get the point where he was going to have to fight me,

all of a sudden it turned into we're two good friends to fight. I'm like going, when did that happen? But that happened if you talk about, there was a sparring session. Oh no, that was before that even. Okay, even prior to that. Every sparring session we've ever had. You don't know.

And I went down there one time, we were supposed to work out for two days. First, I went to first striking thing, I dropped the body shot. You dropped it? Yeah, I dropped it, it was down. And then I beat him up the rest of the time. And then that night we come out with Ju wrestling,

just straight wrestling. I beat him, I picked him down four times, he didn't take me down at all. And then, and then we went, went to his house, he said, and he was frustrated, and then he goes, I got you, I figured out, I know what I'm gonna do. I was just coming to your,

I'll do you, play again, I got you. So he switched up his thing, was back and I pulled him up, and I said, so I started being aggressive, taking him around. So I took him down four times. He took me around once at the end, but I wasn't. I was like, look, my foot's on the cement over there, and the time just ran out, but if you want to call it, I'd say down, take it. So there was a domination happening. And then, whenever we did, like, groundwork, like we started at started top bottom,

they had a five minute round. I'd probably get up 10 times, you guys know. He couldn't keep me down from talk. So put this in your head for him. Every time we train together, every time we train, every time we train, every time we start. Even when we were on the days I was out helping him out for Uki Kondo.

I came in and I fought South Pa. I fought South Pa with him. After about three rounds, she's supposed to do six with me. She was here, so. After four of them, I took about here, really. But, okay, whatever. And then we went wrestling. I was out, I was, you know,

I was out there and I took them down eight times. One, one, one, one, where that fact is already hot. So we went eight times to one. I think the last take down, I gave it to him too. I was like, I got in my way, I was tired. We arrived on outside before he was trained to provide. And I saw him, I know whatever.

But, but these are all the interactions we had, fighting. Okay, I think about, I'll lift it off for you. Okay. He, wait, if we can't, he's never taking me down when I was striking. Couldn't take me down at all. Every time we practiced ever. We got what, maybe one, maybe two, take downs.

I beat him in a straight restaurant match. I mean, straight up. Straight up, and that's just for take. And it's just styles, make matches, restaurants, they're matches like anything else. And he's a perfect style for me. He's probably a bully and muscle you're not, you ain't doing that to me. I'm really good with people like that. So, so he can't be a minister

of wrestling that's in Jiu-Jitsu. He probably has better submissions than I do on other people, but like he's not going to submit me and he can't just keep me down. Like if I get down, his whole thing is that even if he takes me down, he knows he can't keep me there. And those will be up in 20 seconds. I mean, it's not going to, there's knows he can't keep me there. He knows he'll be up in 20 seconds. I mean, it's not gonna, there's nothing he can do to me. So, and he really, he's gotten better with it over the years. But that time, he still did not like to get it. Like, in a, in a enough of a way,

where he was a little, little gunshot. But he also, he knew how hard I had to. So it wasn't like, You're on a normal hitter, right? It really aren't so, not exactly. Right, it's not pleasant for anybody. Yeah, so, but like, so he knows all that. So, but when it came down, like,

you know, the fight before, when I fought V-Tour and he jumped to the ring, he's already, yeah, when it was time for us to go, he's already kicked my butt. Yeah, right. And then, then when it comes out, I was like, oh, I think we're gonna make more money and be able to friendship.

And like I even said, now on a few minutes, like you said, he's like, while I was trying to hold out for more money for both of us, where was my phone call? To say, if you wanted to hold out for both of us to make money, you call me, you tell me, hey Chuck, let's hold out, when we get paid better,

it's be a lot better for me. I didn't get that call. So I think, well, I mean, you actually thought, well, I guess I should have called you. But I will tell you, I'd be hard pressed to remember one time he called me for something that's not a good business. He called me outside it. So, and something, usually, someone else set me up to come spar with me anyway. Okay. And, um, So the relationship was overcooked? Oh, yeah. Way overcooked. It was, it was cooked by him,

because he needed a manufacturer reason why. He wasn't fighting you. He was gonna fight me. Right, I get it. Okay. I mean, I think when he finally did fight me, he thought because I lost a Randy. Yeah.

That I had slipped to the end of the rest of the year. He had trained me a couple years without more movies going down hell. I get, maybe I can be him now, and I don't really have another choice and you're in training a couple years without all maybe he's going down now. I get maybe I can be around and I don't really have another choice. So this has been time for me. So when you're in your prime, because by the way, everybody, the story that you have seen that you now watch really to some extent that was built during this era of sort of Tito and you and also to a extent you're ready.

Catoor was floating around there and he had that win against you. But what struck me that was so fast, and he said, you ended up becoming the big star, but for a while, they were trying to really elevate Tito, because they thought he had more star power, and you were kind of this like, well, his management now more telling him, if truck becomes champion, you're gonna kill the sport.

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So, and they'd like, man, you gotta get better, but he wasn't telling me how. I'd be like, hey, you can't just tell someone, like me telling you, like, hey, your punch sucks, get better. Right, right. Can you tell me tell someone, like me telling you, hey, your pun sucks, get better. Right, right. Can you tell me how to do it? Thank you. If you tips, maybe.

So actually my manager at the time, his sister was a drama teacher at a drama degree. And she's offered to do, like, I get interview course. Like with me, so I did like, a couple of practices with her and and you know and I learned that she's you know right away like we come in and the first day and then she goes through and she had me write down ten most common questions I got asked. It's cross law that you've been at you're getting asked three questions

basically that was it. Okay. And all these people don't want to say. And they just say, I know you'll lay back and this, but you're at a two. I need you at me. Okay. You're going to feel like you're yelling at this interviewer. Okay. They get sound right. And she said, and now what you want to have the best advice you gave me was, take the first question they asked.

I don't care what it is. Answer yes or no to it. And then talk for about a minute about what you want to talk about. Say, is everything you want to get out, basically you're the one minute thing about everything you want to get out. And if they go good at all, and what they do, they will eat, pick and choose

that out, what to make good and then you make them look good. Yeah. Like you make them look good, you look good and they want you back again. That went when everybody and that was probably the best ever got back then because we did go to a lot of places where the disguise had no idea what I'm doing. You know, like, but you say you know you WW, is it like WWE? No, right. We're not rosters. It seems to me like you loved fighting so damn much. All these other things were like sort of a nuisance.

Like even the business part of it, all that other stuff. I wish I had paid a little more attention to some of those things. But yeah, I mean, I really like just being a fighter. What's up with the fighting thing for a minute? I feel like when a guy loves to fight like that, maybe you disagree with me, maybe you're born with that, but other part of it is like there's something in there, life they're fighting, if I'm being real.

And I look at like I was studying your story, I have to think that you're up bringing to some extent. Like did not have in your dad around make an impact? You know, I really don't think so. Like, the hard thing to explain to people is I love the fight, but I'm not a violent person. Yeah, and you're not at all. You're very kind to go.

I don't like to hurt people. Don't get me wrong. You come out there, we're fighting. I'm trying to kill you. But as soon as things over, I hope you're all right.. Don't get me wrong. You come out there, we're fighting. I'm trying to kill you. But as soon as things over, I hope you're all right. I can see that on you. But I mean, so I really don't think I think I was a little different.

I people try to talk about, oh, yeah, I probably was a little better in my life than I'd ever tried to come back. But I didn't really miss a dad, because I moved him with my grandpa when I was eight. And my grandfather was my dad. And you know, I was actually blessed with that because he was obviously a lot better room model. Then you did?

My father. Your dad actually, did he not shoot at your mom or something? Yeah, oh yeah. Right, what you... He got rid of our, he got rid of our great-dain because our, our great-dain wouldn't let him hit us. Now remember I was under three at the time. He was beaten, and the great-damn attacked him.

So he'll never get hit. But crazy, yeah, great-damn was cool. Is he your grandfather? Is he passed away? Yeah, he passed away. Did he live long enough to know what you became? And you know, that was probably my people asked me, I mean, you got me be regrets and I don't.

I got to be here when I was through the upland of this fort and be there for like all these, it was a great ride. Like there's a great story, it's lots of fun. We had a lot of crazy times. But the one thing I was sad about my grandpa never made because my grandpa was a kid, 19 years old.

Hey, you know that Mike Tyson guy, I know you can beat him, I know you can't, I mean, I'm a hip hop boxer, whatever, whatever, cool. Which to me, it's funny nowadays, it would be nice to ever have him see that that's a serious question. He wouldn't have fought you and Mike. You know, I make it real simple. Boxing Mike and my male, me. Me and my male, he's got one shot on the way in. Yeah.

Once I get in, it's over. But overall, let's stay there for a second. You and Mike Tyson, you were a light heavyweight, so he's a little heavier than you, but he was a small heavyweight by today's standard. Yeah, of course, yeah. So maybe even walking around, you might weigh as much as him walking around.

You probably walked around by the same weight, but in shape. What's the real answer? but he was a small heavyweight by today's standard. So maybe even walking around, you might weigh as much as him walking around. You probably walked around by the same weight, we're in shape. What's the real answer? What if you just met in an alley somewhere? It was you and Mike Tyson. You were just a fight I went. You went.

I mean, he's got a bunch of chance. I mean, he's got chance to catch me coming in, but other than that, it's a tough one. That's an awesome thing to hear. But, you know, the fact that my grandfather never got to saw that in the final regret was because he, I mean, he's a big reason why. I made it because I mean, he always believed in me.

If you can do anything you want. You do anything, you work hard enough out of you and do anything you want. Well, you can't quit. I've been after that. Half the time, I couldn't quit. I don't know how to quit them. Number two, my grandpa's role is great, but I mean, I...

Would you ever think that way? Honestly, would he stay on your mind even after you passed away? If you were training or you're going to do a fight? Oh, yeah, I've always been on my mind. Really? Yeah, he told me to fight. He taught me to be tough. That's wonderful. My mom was a tough lady. She was my grandfather's daughter.

She was a tough lady too. How many brothers you have? I have two brothers and a sister. And did the brothers also, he taught them to fight too, right? Yeah, but they just didn't take it seriously. I fell in love with martial arts and fighting. I just loved it. I just couldn't get enough of it.

Let's talk about your career for a minute. You're so dominant for so long, right? And so, what sticks with you more? The big wins or say the Cator loss, for example. In your now and you reflect, what do you... The biggest thing about that loss was the biggest thing that crushed me about that loss was I let Tito off the hook. Because he wouldn't fight me.

And being Randy there was kind of forcing him to fight me. Were you looking past him at all? No actually. Here's what happened. Look, I, to me, it's the way I feel what happened. It ran as a tough guy. I don't remember. But, too, I was training for the fight. I tore my MCL about eight weeks out. And, I modified my training not to hurt it, not to continue to hurt it, and I got it to heal. I was 100% for the fight. I was 100% but I hadn't been wrestling.

And I got a little bit of confidence that I had to be wrestling. I'm fine. I'm not, I'll be okay. I'm, you know, and by, I watched what I find, I didn't watch the fight again because I was so upset about it. Really?

And so I was going to fight Randy. So I sat down to watch the fight, first fight. In about 3.5 minutes into the first round, I got this. It's over. I had no problem. I got to know more about it guys. I'm good.

I looked down at this flat foot, I was slow reactions. Everything was just off. I'm like, oh, that's what happened. I got this. I got this guy to go. Let's do this camp. I then get out and not about the first time. And you beat and you're prime. You beat Tito twice. Yeah, you beat a price. So the things that you said, uh, applied before.

All right, I got a weird question for you. And it's a hard one for you to answer. So this will be the hardest one. I've watched in fighting. You were so dominant. Is there some truth to this? And that is a hard question, but I watched this happen in Roy Jones. He had one knockout where he was violently knocked out. And it seemed to me, I wonder if you'll talk about this. It seemed to me, and I've seen this with some other guys too, a Miracan unboxing. Their chin seems different after that one time. Do you feel like in your case,

because you just obliterated people forever? Yeah, I, you know, I, I really, I talked to different people. And one of the reasons I decided to retire in the first place, way back, the fact that a lot of people have been giving reasons for that. Different ideas and different theories for why it happens.

And then, but then it couldn't give me a way to change it. How do you fix it? How do you fix it? And one of them was, one of them actually, I was kind of, I hear those things seem kind of, I don't know if it's, it really works, but, they said, I think your brain lines really smart. Yes.

So if it figures out that when you get hit, yes, your firefight response, yes, it usually has to, oh, I gotta go, I gotta survive, I gotta survive, I gotta survive. Yes. But it figures out that hey, if I just shut down, if it happens to me. You got it.

If I just shut down, it stops, I stop getting hurt. So in your mind, it's just, it's like, oh, you're starting to get hurt in the head instead of having that, I'm coming out, I'm going to fight. You're going to be like, oh, let's curl up a little. Oh, I think that's true. And that there's if there's a chute to that. Because there were, because the guys what I'm talking about, and this is interesting because this is about the baddest ass dude on the planet, right? He's a

obliterating people. There becomes an event where you take that one shot, cause it's going to happen to you in life and in business too. I believe what you said is right. I believe the mind trains the body now like, hey, this shut down thing protects us. And even though you're a badass still, that same blows delivered that didn't do that to you before, there's this involuntary thing that happens now.

Do you agree with that? I think it makes a lot of sense to me. I think so too. And I want to believe that I don't want to change it. But I think there's a way to change it. Yeah, and that's the thing. I think when you're aware of it, there's a way to change it. Yeah, and that's the thing. I think when you're aware of it, there's a way to change it.

I think this is a really powerful thing because in life and in business, and for you the next 50 years, there have been things that have happened to you in your life that prior didn't make the impact on you. And there's a traumatic event that happens. You need to be guarding what you just said. And that is that now you've trained yourself

how to respond to that event in a way that doesn't serve you. This is a huge thing everybody because you can be winning, winning, winning, winning a business in a life or in a relationship or in a sport. And then there's that event and that traumatic event can flip the way you react to the same exact event when it happens to you again. I like, you know, when I was, when I was winning,

when I was, you know when I was one end, and even for me, the hardest part about retiring was I was winning fights until I got caught. There you go. But the thing is, I mean, when I was coming up, beating everybody, you could hit me and I have the prick. I know, and I'm still coming.

And I put my hands out, put my right hand in there, I wanna exchange with you. Yeah. on trade. Yeah, trade. Let's go one for one. Right. I'm good. Let's go two for one.

I think I'm going to beat you. I thought, you let me fight it. If I can hit you, you can fight it and hit me. I can hit you and you're going to hurt more than I do. So, yeah. And then there's that event. Who hit you the first time like that? You're like, oh, that's there.

Was it Ram Page? Ram Page. Ram Page in that fight, right? Like, I just think that that's something of ice. It's not a fun thing to talk about as an athlete, but it's something that I really wanted to ask you about. And that one, and that fight, I don't know if that was the cause of that, I mean.

But I was in the back room, I went in the back before that. I slid on ice, and hit my head in the back. I hit the back of my head. I woke up looking at the ceiling. Are you kidding me? I'm right before I fight him. And you wonder whether that might have made it. Well, it might have affected the beginning.

Bro, buddy, I mean, it'd be a copy of a clean shot though too. That was a lot of you. You also, but your style was you caught clean shots, right? Are you serious? Have you ever told that to anybody before? No, I really, I really never talked about it. I've talked about it much. I've talked about it to friends, but I mean, it's like...

They're probably connected. Probably had something to do with it, but... I respect. So I want to talk about now that... It's about something about you coming back. And there's criticism when you came back, right, to fight Tito that. I'm like, why is he coming back as a fought and forever? But I want to say something to you about that. And then I'd like your answer to it too.

I think there's something really powerful you did there. There was one of the best things you ever did as a fighter ironically. And that is that you live life on your own freaking terms. Other people don't dictate to you when something's over or when you get to give it your best shot or when you should do something. And so I don't know, in hindsight, do you wish you didn't come back for that last fight? Or is there a party like at least now I know?

Or in hindsight, I wish I'd noticed the problem I have with my neck. Yeah. Because I mean, I look back now and I... Could have been, could have been, I've been, I've been, I've been, I've been, I've been, I've been, it's been a problem in coordination.

So I went on through, I'm fighting, I went back a little bit, even on the show they show the fight. I tripped over the bull and the center of that right. That's right. You know, I think it's tripped. I mean, I was like, I didn't know, but I didn't know more so tough.

We just, it's just something else. Well, while I'm off, I was like, I'm just tired. There's no other way. Well, I can't be something bad. I can't be broken. I can't be something bad. I can't be broken. You know, I can't. So, oh, I wish I'd known that beforehand, but, you know, it's not anybody's fault.

I mean, I cheated my three-thousand-error because I couldn't balance on my own. I kept my eyes open. But, you know, I just thought I was tired. Again, I just looking back at it. Yeah. It's tired. OK. Do you miss fighting? I'm tired. Right now. Yeah. Like, oh. It's tired.

Do you miss fighting? I'm so tired. Right now. Always. I love fighting. I love doing it. I love the competition. I love training.

I love getting ready hanging out with the guys. I like doing everything. I love fighting. So. You're in the middle of this. And so you don't know the complete answer. This is where I'm on it off camera. So people that watch this show, probably'm probably 20% are UFC fans.

The rest of them are like, it's a really interesting badass dude, right? And I'm learning a lot of lessons from them. But you're at the transition point of your life. You're 50 years old, get some scars to show the wars you've been through. I'm getting off cheap, I think. For what I put my body through, I'm getting off cheap. You feel that way? I do, I do so I'm.

And I deal with this with a lot of former athletes, but so there's a lot of people watching, it's like I just had a relationship end, right? Just had my business end. And oftentimes, or I just had my career end. And oftentimes, this is really true of an athlete. Our identity is tied up in what we do. You know what I mean?

That's who you are, because you get all this recognition, accolades, money, all you've done since you were a little boy for the most part is this. I wonder if as you're doing it, what are you learning about finding that next thing you're passionate about? You know, that process, like what do you think is the journey to doing it as you're seeking right now?

Because they're all wondering in that too many of it. The thing is it's hard to explain to people like you think, oh, yeah, I don't have the success and I mean, I didn't have everything I wanted to in this sport. I didn't have a great family. I'm doing all of a sudden. Like, when you retire from, I've been competing

for 30 years. You know, I do in football or I had a football game coming up in Russia. All of a sudden, you take the brakes off. I don't have to worry about anything. Right. And I don't have, I don't have that driving force. I always have that driving force right here. I got to be the best. I got to get, I got to get, I got to get work. I get this controls all this stuff. Yeah. You know, you know, I went up the wild guy, I like to have fun, but, but I was tempered and controlled by it by this. Having fun do not trump winning. So so it's one of those things it's like all of a sudden that's taken away and it's like

I got so many things I can do but which one do I do? I keep going a little bit this way a little bit that way and you don't really get and and then sometimes you get lost, people get lost. I don't know how many athletes clutch me and talk about. All the time. It's the number one thing. Are you that close to your? Yeah, it's like, because you're so young, you had this high high,

and sometimes it's hard to figure out how do you re-channel that. You got it. And that's something I'm dealing with now, like I'm trying to figure out what, but I think I finally kind of got to a point, and it's been quite a few years, and that really retired.

And I think I got to a point where I'm like, I'm talking about, I mean, I, I was talking to a friend of mine who was suggesting me doing public speaking and doing more of that. And for me, that's somewhere I can, I think I can change people. I think there's a lot of things going on nowadays. You know, I would like to influence people in a good way. Yeah, you know, and um, I think you can you know

I'm still doing and I do movies and stuff and you'll lots of going on to keep my name relevant Keep me relevant keeps stuff out there so that I can do some of these other things Yeah, can I give you a suggestion on that? Because you gave a little bit of the formula. First off, those of you that want to have Chuck come speak, you can obviously we're going to get you to his social media in a minute, you can DM and get together, who'll give you a contact info, also through me as well. But we all have like a recipe.

So not everyone's is the same thing, but for an athlete and you use the word compete. So if for like your relationship ended and it was something that gave you connection, that's to be the word of the business gave you significance. The next thing you find, that's part of the recipe. So you have to find something that gives you connection even if it's all right, get something

that finds you significance. You need, your thing is competing. You're wired to compete. I have a good friend of mine, Zach Johnson, he's a PGA golfer. He's one of the masters, he's one of the British open. And I said, hey man, do you love golf when I interview him? He goes, I don't know if I love golf,

I don't love the grind, I don't love the Tuesdays as much anymore, but I love to compete because that's what I'm best at winning at. And I think the formula post, whatever it is, is ask yourself what you loved about it. Like, did you love getting hit, did you love hitting people? Yeah, I love fighting, yeah.

But you said the word for you that words compete. You got to find something you can compete at again. Whether that's for the team. I think you know, don't be honest. I think you're right. You know, let's talk about, I was about a, right, in middle schools, I was about three hours to, right. Pretty good.

Got there, and I got my three hours by first. Then they made me go into the gate class. Oh, really? I scored a good amount, so I'm saying, I'm not a high math. So they made me do gate classes. And the first test came out, and I said, I'm going, hey, what'd you get? Oh, man, I got you up to bed, and you're like,

well, you did what? You better than me? Oh, no and nobody, well, you did what? You better me? Oh no, no, no, no, no. I was a 4042 student after that. No. Because I, oh no, no, no. That's not okay. Now I really got to work.

See, see my friends that are athletes. I don't care who they are. You take, and I want a name drop. So I just see my friends. They're the most competitive people I've ever met they're different like they want to beat you at ping pong they want to beat you at how much tequila they could drink they want to beat you is that not true for you right like I've actually got good at not being that way I was when I was younger I mean I you know I push my mom down the

stairs to be there to be in the race. Right. All right. Right. Right. But I really, but I know what you're gonna be doing. I mean, but I was, I mean, that could better. Like, I needed a win ever. Mm-hmm.

I think that that's a healthy thing channeled correctly. So I think competing to be, because you are one of the things I admire about you the more I'm getting to know you is the kind of dad you are. Like the day after he has this neck fusion, tell him where you went. I went to the secretary of the party. I was on the house. My daughter was playing.

She's awesome. Because you love her. So I think I'm just giving you, everyone listening to us, you're going to inside thing here. Whatever you're going to do, you need to be competing at it. It's part of this DNA of this dude who's raised by his granddad and the fighting thing was a way you competed and you got to find the business, the life thing you're competing at again. Cause like, here I am, I'm almost 50 years old too, right? And all my different

businesses have, you know, generated something. I'm still freaking competing, man. I want the best podcasts. I want the best relationship. I want the best fitness. I, my, if you take competition out of my life, I'm useless. To be honest with you, I want the best fitness. If you take competition out of my life, I'm useless. To be honest with you, I'm just wandering through life, trying to find, here's what's gonna happen. Something to interest me. I don't need shit, I'm interested in. I need shit I can compete at, okay?

And that's who you are, right? And even as I say it to you, I see that in you. I see it changing you. You gotta compete at being a dad. You got to compete in these businesses, you got to compete at public speaking and compete at whatever the thing is. And for those of you that that's not your thing, it's connection or significance or contribution, the next thing has to have that. If you remove that, you used fighting to compete, okay?

Some of you used a relationship to get connection. You used a business to get significance. You used your business to contribute. It's not the thing you were doing. It's the feeling it gave you. And so, where we start to feel like, hey, I'm not what I was, is I don't get the same feeling. So, we gotta find something you compete at.

And that's where you're going. I agree with you, because I talked a lot about business. I thought about that with my friend, it's just sort of business. And that was his thing. He was competing in his business. He liked to go to get, oh, I got that deal from them. I was one of them walked in there, I took that.

I did that. And now he just ruled it, sold for a lot. Did you get it? Everything's good, but he's like, with many other things. He's like, oh. So, total under fingers, he got it. I got it. I need something, I need something.

Yes. I can see it, you have a new album. It takes, so you, those of you that have former athletes in your life, I promise you one of their buttons is competing. And then I gotta, and by the way, take Dana White. Is that a competitive dude? Yeah. Yeah, it's competitive dude.

And so he's, he could have left after they collected their checks on selling the UFC, right? I so, I suppose he could have. I they collected their checks on selling the UFC, right? So it's supposed to, could have. I don't know, but I'm sure I'm assuming probably. You're gonna make him stay for a little bit. Yeah. Because I'm not gonna do a sell.

You keep the leader. You keep the leader. Somebody to trick you. You keep the vision. I'm not sure it's past that. What advice would you give? You grew up, you know, a certain way. There's a lot of kids who look up to you.

We're talking about this off. You do a lot of, by the way. He's very generous You're gonna come higher on to do paid speaking but this guy will come. He loves to help kids So a lot of these people that are listening this are either kids watching this or they have kids watching this and What advice would you give to a young person right now? I was like, hey man, I want to do some I want to win in my life too like you've won in your life What advice would you give to a kid? Maybe they're not in the perfect family situation.

You know, well, the thing is, you need to find something you need to find something you need to find something. Like, find someone to help you with it. There's people out there who gotta find someone. There's good guys, there's good people out there that will help you, you know, get to your goal. You just gotta find them. I mean, that's the hard thing for a lot of these guys

and it's hard to find them, it's hard to get to somewhere. That's why, you know, there's a lot of organizations out there now trying to help out the find, trying to give them some mentors and these kids and have the idea of, you know, what to do. You have that, right? You got that with your grandfather, but also your trainer. We was one of what to do. You have that right? You have that with your grandfather, but also your trainer.

Who's one of those guys for you, wasn't he? Yeah, my trainer helped me out a lot too. Because he's humble, if you go ask his trainer and people who watched you when you were a young man, let me tell you how you identify yourself as a young person, if someone worthy of investing that time in, you freaking outwork worked everybody in camp, didn't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was always a hard worker. I always got the coaches in one. I was a kid that I was the guy,

I got the coaches in one probably, every season I played in everyone. I was always the hardest worker. I was always out working, I've been in the room. But that's what I knew. That's I knew I got to work harder, I got to be here. I got to work hard. Yeah, I think Chuck, I think like really people that really achieve a high level, I think they take for granted the things they do well and there's a little part of them that

like, well everybody could do that. But that is what separated you. Like I think when people see all these knockouts, all these wins, all these electric moments in your career, they need to link it back to this dude who was at Jujitsu with all these other guys and out work in every, and by the way, in a sport where most people work pretty damn hard too, right? And out work in the other guys. Supposed to ask you this because I wanted to.

What's the tattoo on your head? Oh, it says Koik Khan, my original Christoph. That was actually when I started doing kickbox, they were stripping me in my black belt. And because of the old school, like you can't bash Rizal or kind of thing. Which actually I started when I was like, one of the kids, but I was, you know, I don't fall rules very well. I went in the right or 16. Right. So on Friday nights, I was a kid, but I was, you know, I don't follow rules very well when I went in the right way or 16. So on Friday nights, I used to go to a Kung Fu school in Santa Barbara.

I go, I go to a Kung Fu school that had open sparring nights. And you guys were kickboxing, boxers, type one, don't guys. The first couple of times I went to that, I said, I gotta keep coming back. Because these guys, they do stuff different. They're not doing the same, okay, I'm fighting a bunch of guys

that I'll train to fight the same way. You go in there and they, and our way worked really good. But when you see something crazy coming at you, it's like the first time. Yeah. It's weird. Sure. I imagine. So it was great. I had to go out there. For a few for you to see. We weren't what's supposed to. I would have trouble, they found out, but I went out every week, every week, I was trying to go. But it's, yeah, it's one of those things, it's, I use that, you know, you got, quick on, they stood me up, I got to the bash right now, right? And this to me was, I was in school for accounting. For accounting?

Yeah, and I wanted to put it on, because I have an FU to that, I don't know if you can't take it for accounting. For accounting? Yeah, and I wanted to put it on, because I have an FU to that. I don't need you to take it from me. I would love to have you my accountant fight in the IRS. And when they said, so when I got it, I had to move out for a bit, and I thought,

perfect, I wanted someone right in, I'd take my shirt off for you to see it. But, when I'm going into the job, I can cover it up. There you go. So, I put on my hands. So you could go from fighting to being an accountant if you had to and no one would see the tattoo. Exactly.

You literally thought about that. That's all I thought about it was, this is perfect, right there. And that's what it was. But you know, it's kind of interesting, they forgot to strip me on my back when I'm being famous. Who's of all the people you fought? That's crazy. Who of all the people you fought?

Is there a guy that stands out as like, that's the best dude I ever fought for you? Because for most everybody that you fought, they would say the best dude I ever fought is this guy, right? They'd say you. I fought all the best guys at my time. Was there one where you like,

this dude's gonna be really tough for me? No, I never thought that way. I was fine, I'm gonna knock this guy out. I got him, I figured out, I know I gotta do this and this and this. Even I thought a lot of the fight. I'd be walking the back home, man. I kinda decided to do this again.

Really? I got this guy. I know where I messed up, I got him. That's what I thought. I mean, I was just in that way. That's why I was wired. So not one dude of all of them, you're like, no, no, there's no one. That's what I thought. I mean, I was just in that knee. That's why I was wired. So not one dude of all of them, you're like, there's no one.

I mean, Randy was tough. You know, you can't afford them. You know, I'm actually so much tough. You know, he's my guy better. I thought, you know, I get, he kept coming then. I thought, I had thought about it a couple times. I just kept coming. I thought I had a couple of times just kept coming. Last couple of things. What do you see the sport going?

I feel like lately, maybe I'm probably not being happy. I feel like lately that the star making mechanism isn't what it has been before. Do you feel like the, I don't conner, but. I mean, you go in, you go in the ropes, you get your waves up and down, and we go through through something. I know paperbees are doing great.

I think, I mean, some of the stuff that, I mean, it went all the way crazy, almost WWE style for a lot of guys, and then it kind of came back a little bit from that. And then you also had, for a little while, there was a bunch of guys just trying to adjust enough to win. That's double win. But then they started going to learn that that doesn't make it, I don't make it money. So you want to go, people got to want to watch you fight. So they say,

they're back tomorrow guys trying to be aggressive and fighting. So it's just, it's going to keep moving, but it's going to keep going. The thing that's supposed to keep growing. It's just it's gonna keep moving. It's gonna keep getting better. I think this force is gonna keep growing. It's gonna keep growing. It's the greatest point of all. How do you feel about a MMA fighter getting in a boxing ring and doing their sport? Do you feel like that's just sort of silliness?

Or I think it's silliness. I mean, I love, I love, I love, I would love love as he can and I wouldn't, but I mean, he's fighting I love, I love, I love, I love, I love this he can't, I wouldn't, but I mean, he's fighting the best defensive boxer, you know, a lot of time, maybe, and, and he's never boxed today in his life. Right. Really? He's never, had a boxing match.

Right. The chances of, I mean, he's always got a punch or stance. Well, I think, maybe when it stood up for him a lot of heavy hit, and, you mean, I've always got a puncher stance. Well, I think, me, whether it's through the front, a lot of heavy hitters. And, you know, and he's got no reason to do anything, overcommit to anything, to do a given, given a chance to do that. So, I mean, I don't, I get a still-watch answer now.

Do you think the money for fighters will continue to get better? Because that's why Connor did it, right? I mean, there's more money in boxing. Hey, for the bad, that amount of money, the more parity. Right. Right.

Probably in your prime had someone organized it, you'd have made a fortune fight to do like Tyson. Yeah. We were trying to set up a fight with, um, kind of holy film. People were talking to my people, and I thought later they were talking to Boss Wheaton too. They were.

But, um, they were talking about doing a boxing match with one of us. Our kickboxing, though, you do that. Kickboxing in the middle. In the middle, like you're meant to be. We're going to eat in the middle. But the funny thing is, book me a boss the same type of guy. He's like, well, OK, no leg kicks. OK, that's fine.

He's OK. No leg kicks in kickboxing. No leg kicks in kickboxing. But you kick to the body of the head. OK, got it. I got it. OK. Because someone told him about leg kicks, so it's okay.

If you've never been kicked in the leg in your boxer, I'm gonna kick you once or twice, and you're gonna go, ah! Yeah. Is that right? No, no, no, no, it's not gonna be pretty. It's got you. But, but so we're like, yeah, sure, fine.

Whatever. Never have to. Yeah, yeah, we've never got past. They never offered just boxing. Because for if you hate both being boxing, you're offered us some money. Sure for the money. I mean, would I be doing a boxing now? I think I think in a good kickbox match with lane kicks for sure.

One of them is 100%. Without lane kicks, maybe not. Right. But if he's a bad man. Not knowing it. Straight boxing, you know, you have a mom even in. Yeah. Not knowing the sports though. The last thing I don't want to have people

be able to follow you, but not knowing the two sports like you do, obviously, right? I would think if there was a chance, an MMA guy would have a better chance with a boxer in their sport than a boxer with an MMA fighter. Oh, it's just. I mean, I don't know how any boxer would be. Yeah, this is like a plan.

You were in the back when I was going to fight, was trying to offer me, command on to fight one of his guys, and really at the time I was making more of that fighting, but it said it made less, that whole deal, right? But I'm not getting to make sense. But I said, here's what I said basically,

I said, look, I got 135 pounder. Why don't you, I'll do the boxes. You come over and have a, I got 135 pounder. You won't make out in the first round. Wow. I guarantee you, you're gonna pick them up. Land one is in and be inspectable. I mean, it would just, I mean, I think if you don't know how to wrestle or stop a wrestler, it's a done deal. To done deal. Yeah. I mean, you know, you see, I'm gonna do what happened when the Randy Couture fought with them. Oh, right. Let me come on.

Did you, I actually lost a loan on you, or I thought you thought of a loan? I'm glad you cleared that up for everybody. Dude, I gotta tell you, I've enjoyed the day so much because I think people get to see this side of you that maybe they don't ever see. I wanna encourage everybody to see, we'll watch the 30 for 30 on ESPN. It's on ESPN plus on 18th. Okay. On ESPN plus. Yeah, we go. So you got to find that 30 for 30

because it's explained to you that you have seen how responsible this man to my left is for building this giant sport that you see to this day. How do you want people to find you so they can connect with you? Where do they go? I check with El on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook. And all the different speaking, the different things he's doing you can connect with them there. It's an honor for me to meet you. You're a hero of mine.

You're a hero of so many people. My favorite thing about you is that you've managed to keep your humility through all of the ups and downs and the success you've had in your career that you're a real good man and there's this it's funny to meet such a really strong intent to do it who's like so kind and I just want to tell you I appreciate that about your brother. I enjoyed it. Hey enjoyed it. Thank you so good. Can I continue the day, man? I enjoyed it. Hey guys, pretty good. I told you, I'm bringing you the best people in the world. Remember every day on Instagram, if you follow me,

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