THE ED MYLETT SHOW - The Secrets to Greatness w/ Troy Aikman

Episode Date: July 11, 2023

Learn how to become a VISIONARY LEADER and CULTIVATE SUCCESS in this electrifying episode with one of the ALL-TIME GREATS…Troy Aikman’s journey from UCLA to the Dallas Cowboys, where he became a 3-time Super Bowl champion and a member of the Hall of Fame, is an inspiring testament to his unparalleled work ethic. But his impact extends far beyond the football field. As a Fox Sports and Monday Night Football analyst, as well as a successful entrepreneur with his own beer brand, Troy brings a wealth of knowledge and experience to the table.During our conversation, Troy shares invaluable insights on leadership, teamwork, and personal growth that can propel you to victory in the most important games of your life. Get ready for a thrilling discussion where we cover:The essential qualities that make coaches truly great and the trait players seek in their mentors.Overcoming criticism and adversity to rise to greatness.Unveiling the true essence of success and what it feels like to achieve your biggest triumphs.Sustaining the hunger for greatness even after achieving monumental victories.Unlocking the secrets of Troy's daily routines and rituals that keep him at the top of his game.Exploring the power of cold plunges, red light therapy, meditation, and breath work.Creating a harmonious home life and fostering meaningful family experiences.AND you’ll get exclusive insights into a pivotal moment in Troy’s broadcasting career, when he was faced with a life-or-death situation on the field. This gripping story will leave you in awe of his resilience and the depth of his perspective.Get ready for a high-impact episode that will elevate your understanding of leadership, excellence, and the pursuit of greatness.

This is the end my let's show. Welcome back to the show everybody. Today's special. Scott, every day, you sit across from a three time Super Bowl champion, Super Bowl MVP. Let's just be real. One of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. One of the greatest athletes of all time. And by the way, ironically, I think actually one of the most underrated athletes of all time, one of the greatest athletes of all time. And by the way, ironically, I think actually one of the most

underrated athletes of all time. It's a fact. But actually, and in press of his football career was, I like the fact that the dream didn't stop there and he was able to post football create an incredible brand, an incredible career, an incredible life post football. So I just want to pick the brain of the great Troy Ackman, Troy. Good to have you.

Yeah, great to be on, great to meet you. Yeah, he's been looking forward to this. You too. Bazawey's also an entrepreneur. We ought to just talk about that first. Yeah. Yeah. He's in the bear business now. Yeah.

Tell me about that a little bit. Yeah, it's been an interesting year and a half or so. Actually, we started two years before we launched. We've now been in stores for a year and a half, strictly in Texas. But I worked for a distributorship in college. I like beer. I don't drink a lot, but when I look like you drink any. Yeah, I know. But yeah, I met my partners and we started kicking it around and seeing if it's something that I might want to do. And I work out. I'm mindful of what I put in my body, all those things. And I said, well,

if we can do something that complements my lifestyle, then I'm all for it. And so we spent two years coming up with the recipe and what's unique about eight, which is the name of the beer, is that we're 100% organic grains. We have no adjuncts and no fillers. So we're the only widely available beer that can say that. Every other widely available beer adds corn, rice, syrup, or sugar. So there's a lot of junk that's thrown in there. ours has none of that, and yet we're still at 90 calories and just 2.6 carbs.

That's my next question. Yeah. So it's been really good. I feel like we're a lifestyle brand, quite honestly, because the people who I've always been inspired by are the people who never settle and the people who do the work and all those things. And I feel like I'm one of those people,

and that's why I'm usually drawn to that. And so that's really who this beer was made for. Now, anyone who wants to drink it, that wants a better for you beer, will certainly accept, but- By the way, you're in the right demo in this audience. They can drink beer and be healthy. And it's actually unique.

They can get it anywhere. Where can you get it? In Texas. Yeah, it's distributed across the entire state. Eventually, we hope that we'll move outside of Texas and be in other states. And I think- We can buy it online. Yeah, eventually. I don't know what the restrictions are on that.

I've been asked about that a lot, but it's done really well. So we just kicked off our second year and a lot of good stuff has happened. So congratulations. Yeah, thank you. You, like I said, you've had this incredible life. I wanna ask you hard stuff today,

stuff that I don't think you get asked all the time. I had a chance a few weeks ago, I was with Brady for a few days at an event. And I've been blessed that I get to have been around some guys that played your position at a pretty high level. Woody John always been a friend of mine for a long time. What's a through line for the great leaders in anything, but especially we'll just take quarterbacks now.

What's a through line then? Don't be humble today. Between like a Troy Ackman, because you're different personalities, very different. Troy Ackman, a John L. Way, a Tom Brady, what is the through line that made you all great leaders? I know there's differences, but what's the through line? Yeah, I think we are all different. We all lead in a different way,

which is true of any field, of course. But I think that probably what the through line is for all great quarterbacks, great leaders at that position, or in general is that they put in the work and they're not outworked. And I think that that, first of all, you gotta play well. But you have to also be the guy who your teammates understand

is there putting in the work and doing what's necessary in order to be the best that you can be. And I think that those guys that you mentioned, I'd like to think that I'm one of them as well, that your teammates never questioned your commitment and your dedication and your persistence to being the best that you could be. Why is it matter?

Like in business as an entrepreneur. A total entrepreneur is one of the reasons you gotta outwork everybody is when you're leading a team an ironic thing, and maybe this isn't true in football, but I think it is, you actually create safety for everybody around you, stability when you're the hardest working person in the room and the leader.

I think that's one of those invisible things. You actually have created a sense of stability just by your mere presence in your work ethic that doesn't exist if you're a little bit hit and miss in an environment. Do you see that? Yeah, and I think that in football, maybe this is true in all sports, but I know that what I can relate to is the dynamics of a locker room and within an organization. And what generally happens is for the quarterback, the quarterback, the franchise quarterback, has always viewed as the guy who didn't really have

to fight necessarily for his pay. He's been treated well. You know, that, okay, well, the organization, and maybe even more so now, even though we've seen situations where some quarterbacks have had to hold out and hopefully get what they feel is their, the organization, and maybe even more so now, even though we've seen situations where some quarterbacks have had to hold out and hopefully get what they feel is their corrected pay. But I think in general, when you have a franchise quarterback,

it's like, oh, okay, well, his contract's up, so we pay him and then we move on. And then these other guys are holding out. And then they got to fight a little harder. The quarterback usually has great relationships with not only the coaches, but also the owner himself and all that. So I think that with that, the quarterback has to, in his way, make the other players, his teammates understand that he's with them, you know, that he's one of them and that

he's doing the work just like they are. And it's not always easy to do. And there have been those quarterbacks, those guys, those franchise quarterbacks that have struggled in that area. And it's not easy and not to get off tangent. But I think that becomes a challenge right now with what we're seeing in college with the NILs. That now you've got 18 year olds instead of 24 year olds that are having to navigate those waters of getting paid more than the rest of the players within the locker room and how do you do that? It's not easy. That's interesting

because I've had a chance I had Peyton Manning, the interview Peyton, I interviewed John Montana and then you and when I when people make their list, this is what's interesting to me, I don't know if you take this personally or not, but when people go, okay, my top five quarterbacks of all time, usually gonna hear Joe's name, you're gonna hear Brady's name, and then they'll interchange, you know, Marino, Peyton Manning, you know, whoever,

they get their list. Rodgers, I guess, is on that list somehow now, but my home's already. I wanna know, Rodo Graham is. Right, but we're like 10 champions, I know he doesn't get anything. Yeah, but my home's already. I want a rawrogram is. Right, but we're like 10 champions. I know he's a bad guy. Yeah, but what is it? In your case, I mean, it's clear you should be in that,

and by the way, I'm sure on many lists you are. I don't mean to say that. Well, no, that's not, well, no, I'm not. I'm not in many ways. And why? And quite honestly, it doesn't affect me at all. I mean, it really doesn't. I mean, I played the game hoping that one day

I would be thought of amongst the greats of all time. And I feel like that happened by the simple fact that I'm in the Hall of Fame. That could have happened. But, you know, when you're talking about, okay, name the top five, I wouldn't probably be in there, maybe I would be if they mentioned the top 10.

But I understand that my career really was about winning championships, which ultimately is what everyone's career should be about winning championships, which ultimately is what everyone's career should be about. That's what they pay us for. But I think that the world that we're in, especially with fantasy football, and then for those fans or people who are making those lists, that if they didn't see me play, they look at stats and they say, okay, well shoot, my numbers are pretty modest,

relative to many others. And there's reasons for that. Emmett of course, there's a reason why he's the all-time leading rusher. But when we didn't throw the ball as often, but when we threw it, we threw it as well as anybody. And that's why Michael Irvings in the hall fame as well. So no, it doesn't bother you. It does not bother me. In fact, during my Hall of Fame speech, what I mentioned was that I feel like everyone talks about how team comes first.

You never hear a player say that, oh no, I'm all about me. You know, they'll say, hey, I just want to win. But there's very few, as you know, who really only want to win. They want to win as long as they're also putting up their big numbers. You know? Yes.

For me, I felt like I did sacrifice individually. I felt like I could throw the ball as well as anybody. But I feel like I did sacrifice individually for what was best for the team. And so the greatest reward for that was that I then received the greatest honor and individual can ever receive. And that is to be voted into the pro football thing. So that's what meant so much to me.

And the rest of it, I'm proud of my career. Of course. Overly proud of it. If someone had told me, I always wanted to be a professional athlete. If someone had told me, I always wanted to be a professional athlete. If somebody had told me that I was going to go on and win three world championships and have the teammates and the career that I was able to have, I would have taken it

all day long. And so I'm proud of it. And where that ranks or where everyone else thinks I just, you know, I've never, I've never really, it's not something you weld on. It's just, because you know a lot of guys, other guys do. I mean, look at Michael Jordan's Hall of Fame speech. He's considered the goat and he's still like, nailing dudes, you know, like,

and then we'll do another one with that. I just, there's an ego that comes with being graded anything that I think is a healthy ego, but you did. You're also known as like one of the most accurate throwers of the football of all time, right? One of the most cerebral guys, stuff that quarterbacks all time, right? One of the most cerebral guys, stuff that Quirterback's gonna do,

I asked him on the zone one time. You know the Quirterback guru dude. And he's like probably the most accurate guy I've seen through the football was actually Troy Ackman, but it was all the other things. It's actually getting into protections that you're supposed to get into. I remember when Peyton really couldn't throw anymore.

Yeah. Yet they ended up doing a lot better with him than they did with Brock because of his ability just pre-snap to get them into different, the right formations and block. And obviously, you know, a lot more about that than I do. But I want to ask you also about your career. I'm just fasting by the people that are the best.

People don't realize this because I watch it on TV, but every guy that's out there in the NFL was not only the best player more than likely on their high you know, their high school team, but they became elite in college. You were a UCLA guy. Do you come from Nebraska before that Oklahoma? Oklahoma. So you didn't get it at Oklahoma. You end up red-shirting at UCLA. Yeah.

And ends up winning three Super Bowls and an MVP. But I look at guys like that are just different. And I think what's the commonality? Because even me as an entrepreneur, I'm different than a lawn musk I'm not anywhere near as wealthy as a lawn musk, but you know, Phil Knight a lawn musk and you know, Mark Cuban three very different dudes What's the through line right and I look at Jimmy Johnson? I look at Bill Bella check Bill Walsh and let's just say Andy Reed right now They're very different for human beings.

You know all of them or knew all of them, what is common amongst them that made them great leaders? That's a tough one. Well, that's a great question. I mean, it really is because I actually was just having this conversation with somebody that for the most part, for the most part, I would say, if you tell me someone's a player's coach, I will tell you that they probably haven't won at the highest

level in general. Okay. In general, all right. But I think Andy Reed would be regarded as a player's coach and he's been one of the most successful coaches in the history of the game. So, but I do think that players in general, they wanna be coached by people that they know are gonna make them better. You know, and that's the bottom line.

I mean, that's the key. And so, do they know something that I don't? And they can put me in a position to where I can achieve the things that I wanna achieve, both individually and then as well for us as a team. This is true in business. True in life. True in everything.

I mean, it really is. And so there's obviously a lot of parallels between sports and business and other things. But you take Bill Bellacek, for instance, I've talked to a number of people, clearly regard as what may be the greatest coach of all time. He's on certainly a short list, but, you know, he's not a whole lot different in a lot of ways from the guy that we see. But when you talk to people who have played for the Patriots, I said, how is he so effective? And they say, we know that if we do what he asks us to do, there's a really good probability that we're going to win the game.

Right. Did you feel the way about Jimmy? Yeah. Yeah. And Jimmy was tough. I mean, Jimmy was really tough. He demanded a lot, attention to detail. No detail was too small.

And we worked hard. So we had really talented players. That was as Jimmy's greatest strength, probably was his evaluating of talent. I mean, he was sensational at that. So we had really talented players that worked exceptionally hard. And then Jimmy didn't let anything slide.

And so that's a pretty good formula. I watched something when it was last year of the year before I Happened to be watching we have some mutual friends that are involved at Fox Sports for football and I Watched the day that they told Jimmy Johnson that he had made the Hall of Fame and then they threw to you Yeah, and I watched your reaction and I thought I don't know that these guys necessarily got along that well When the dudes beating the drum when you're playing and you know Threaten you out with you don't I'm gonna play wall sure whatever yeah, yeah, yeah, but you sincerely Seemed emotional about it on his behalf and I wonder if that's just because

When you're forged in a battle if you're building a company or a family or a football team that when you get to the other side of that than a company or a family or a football team that when you get to the other side of that, although it might be messy in the middle, but at the end there's this tremendous ad manager, you know, ad migration that you've done something great together. Is that what that was or what was it? Because you're pretty emotional. Yeah, and I didn't know that he was going to be told that he was going into the hall fame. We were going to halftime, and my producer said to me, hey, the studio

wants you to watch the a little bit of this halftime show, they're going to be doing something. And I just thought, okay, they're going to be doing something and then sometime in the second half, I'm going to be asked to maybe talk on it. And so I'm just watching what's going on. And then when I see David Baker walk out, who was running the pro football hall fame, then I knew that Jimmy was going in and I knew that there was a chance, but I had no idea that he was gonna be told that night. I thought he was gonna be months

before he was gonna ever find out. Okay. And so why I was emotional at was, you're right. I've known Jimmy since I was about 14 years old. He was recruiting me at a high school when he was at Oklahoma State. And I didn't go to Oklahoma State, of course, and then he went to Miami, recruited me there,

and I didn't go there. And then I go to Dallas, and he takes over for Tom Landry. So now he's coaching me, and then he drafted Steve Walls, and you're right, it got off to a really tough start, but he and I have gotten really close. And so he's never gone into the ring of honor at Cal Boy Stadium where they have all the names. And we all feel those of us that played for him

feel that if any of us are in the ring of honor, he certainly should be in the ring of honor, but that's a decision for Jerry Jones to make. And so I never was certain he would get into the pro football hall fame because he hadn't coached long enough was the reason not that he didn't deserve to be in. I just didn't think that, well, he he wanted to go on and do his boat and be in South Florida and all that.

And so I just didn't know that because he'd been a finalist for a number of years. And so knowing how much that meant to him and had not yet been recognized for what he had done for those teams with the Cowboys, to see him go into the pro football fame, that night was really special. I mean, that's why I was so emotional, just I was so happy for him. And then to take it a step further, he asked me to be his presenter. So I presented him then, which is the greatest honor. I mean, the greatest athletic honor I've ever received,

as I mentioned, going into the Pro Football Hall fame, the greatest honor I've ever received in general, was Jimmy Johnson asking me to be his presenter, because when you go into the Hall fame, you can ask anybody you want to be your presenter. And so when he asked me, I just thought, man, that's a pretty special thing. And so wonderful, man. Congratulations.

Speaking of emotions, dealing with failure, it's part of being an athlete. I think back to, I just watching a lot of football, your rookie year was not gorgeous. So most people that listen to my show may not have been me football fans, but I'm interested to hear, why don't you describe it a little bit, tell them what happened your rookie year,

which was not, you weren't one in a Super Bowl that year. No. And how you dealt with a lot of the rejection and failure, criticism that came with it, and probably even to this day, you get criticism, people saying things about you that aren't really horrible. How do you deal with that? My rookie year was, I guess, when I first got criticized, or had to deal with that, was at Oklahoma. I was trying to run an offense that just didn't fit my skills. And so it was a real challenge.

And oh you, of course, is a hotbed for football. And we were pretty good at the time. And I was probably holding this back just because we're trying to run this wishbone offense. And it just wasn't for me. So that was the first time I really had to deal with it. I broke my leg and then I went to UCLA and ended up going to Dallas as the number one overall pick.

But I went to the worst team in football and then my rookie year, you know, new head coach, college coach, bringing in a lot of different players every week. We really did not have much of a fighting chance. I was only 11 as a starter. And it was tough. I took a beating. We weren't very good up front. Oh, it 11, everyone, 11. And so there were games where we should have lost based on how I played.

And then there were other games where I thought I played pretty well, you know, and and we'd have a lead with 30 seconds left in the game and somehow we'd lose it, you know, and I just remember thinking, man, what does it take to win a game in this league? I mean, this is brutal. Right. And, but I never lost confidence. And I think the reason was I had a quarterback coach by the name of Jerry Rome and he had played in the NFL and he just, he refused to let me get down on myself.

And there were days when it was hard. It was hard to be positive. It was hard to be upbeat. It was hard to believe that good things were going to happen. But he was always there being my champion. And he was in my corner. And so fortunately, my very first game, my second season, we won. And so I got that monkey off my back. And then over time, we slowly

got better and better. And then of course, we won the Super Bowl in my fourth year and had great success. But yeah, I just think that just criticism hurt you even now. Well, nobody likes it. You know, it's easy. I hear people say, Hey, I don't pay any attention to criticism. I have a hard time believing that anyone just can totally brush it off. But if you get criticized enough, and I'm now that I'm still in the public eye with the broadcasting and all that, that you just learn that it's just part of it. Someone once told me that, hey, it's part of the, you know, comes with the dinner. And criticism just comes with the dinner. And, you know, I'll read Twitter from time to time.

And if you've called a game and you read Twitter, be a buckle up, because it's, I mean, it's, but some of it's pretty funny. And I laugh at most of it, but what I like, the reason I do it is because you know, you know deep down if there's truth to those criticisms. Sure. You know?

And so I try to evaluate myself objectively, and I don't dismiss that. I mean, I listen and then think, yeah, you know what, they're right. Me too. They're right. That wasn't good enough. I kinda dig some of it.

Some of it's ridiculous. And some of it, I'm like, you know what, I've heard this enough times, there's some validity to do this. I do need to. I do the same. I kind of dig some of it. Some of it's ridiculous. Some of it, I'm like, you know what? I've heard this enough times. There's some validity to this. That's right. I do need to make that adjustment. And it's a bit of a wake up and all that's good. So I don't mind it.

I honestly don't mind it. What about the criticism if you know deep down like you've done your best and whatever it is and then you just accept it and move on. And now, as you know, I mean, the critics, now everyone has a platform, so you get all the, everyone gets criticized now. I mean, you just, Yeah, we definitely don't lack feedback in this day and age.

There's plenty of feedback. I want to ask you about winning. I've always wanted to ask somebody who's won a lot this. I'll be honest with you, so the things that have happened in my life where I've kind of won in business or whatever, there were, it was amazing. There were elements of it that were better than what I thought it was going to be, but

there are also elements of it that surprised me. And I'm curious, you win this, as much as you can go back and really be there. You win this first Super Bowl. Maybe you're still on the field during the locker room, which the next day. Was it what you thought it would be? Like, did you feel what you thought you would feel? Because there's these new studies that actually say that you get more dopamine in the pursuit of something

that actually when you hit it, there's like a dopamine crash in your brain and it's like, is that all there is? There's a little bit of a let down. Did you have that happen to you? What did it really feel? Well, I'll take you back a little bit earlier than that. When I was about 14 years old, I couldn't wait to get my driver's license. I mean, I thought that anyone who could drive, how could they ever have a bad day in their

life? I mean, I just thought that, how could you ever be upset about anything? I mean, you could drive. Well, you turned 16, you get your driver's license, and you learn to drive, and all that, and you've got a car, and then you realize that, hey, you still have bad days, and that always stuck with me. So I've always known that achievement isn't going to, it's not going to fulfill you anymore. I mean, you're proud and you're working towards that. And you know, you reach these goals, but it doesn't, it's not going to make any happier. It's not, you know, that comes from a totally different place. Now I will tell you, I was in my fifties

before I really figured that part of it out. And so, but when I won my first Super Bowl, I knew, at least I knew that was in my back pocket, and that's what I was drafted to do. So that's where the satisfaction came like, for the rest of my career, they can't say I can't win the big one. Was it satisfaction or relief?

Great question. I would say in all honesty, it was more relief? Great question. I would say in all honesty, it was more relief. Yeah. Yeah. Because I was never one of these athletes who people would say, how come you don't smile more? How come you don't look like you're really enjoying playing? I didn't smile or enjoy it until it was over until we won. Until we won the game.

I mean, that's when you were really able to enjoy the effort. Yes, but during it, no, I mean, it was it was grind, you know, so. But yeah, I think I think in all honesty, it was it was more more relieved. That's been my emotion too. It's interesting you say that. Like, it wasn't what I thought it would be, although there's other benefits that come with it that you don't dream of or imagine as well. But it's almost like, okay, look at her.

But the other thing that's unique about you, brother, is that you repeat. And I know it's a team sport. But we're going to get into broadcasting in a minute. Then you repeated, I mean, most of you know this, but if you don't, I mean, Troy has had this prolific career at Fox. Now he's the money night football at ABC. He's like, he's the number one sports broadcaster in football now. He's also become number one of that.

So he's guys that has to leave college to go to UCLA because the offense didn't work for him. And so becoming the number one pick on the draft ends up being one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. And then after that duplicates it with a career that's been dominant. And by the way, he could be a professional bodybuilder if he won't be one of them too.

So like the guy, and the guy is this finds this way to the top position. But a lot of people don't deal very well with rejection or failure, but a lot, a lot. And you know this, whether it's been business people you've met in your life or people that are in a good relationship or an athlete.

Like I were talking about the UFC guys that I work with at the boxers, guys work really hard to win a championship. And then something happens to them after they win a championship that hunger, the drive, whatever it is, they don't most people deal very poorly with winning is the truth. It seems like that has not happened to you. No, it hasn't. And I think in general, most people, well, my approach, whether it's in football

or whether it was in broadcasting or it's in my personal life, is that most people aren't willing to do the work. Yep, I mean, that's what I believe. And I don't know where it came from for me. I don't know if it was the way I was raised by my father, but that, to me, is what has driven me throughout my life and everything that I've done.

Now, the Super Bowl, as far as that goes, I can't imagine winning a Super Bowl and then not being more hungry than you were. And the reason I say that is because it is such a great experience that how could you not want to go and do that again and again? But you played with the guys you didn't you play with guys? Ben with Ben with and I've seen those I've seen those teams and and we all see because it's it is It's a bit of human nature Jimmy was great in our repeat Jimmy Johnson in and how he treated us

Harder. I mean, he worked us harder the second year He and and it was a reason for that. Jimmy was a psychology major and he felt that, hey, now's when people get complacent, I'm not going to allow it. And so he worked as even that much harder. But, you know, Ed, I'm asked a lot about why I work out so much, why I do all this. And the reason really is simple that I feel like my success as a player was because I just refused to be outworked. And so I was gonna do whatever was required and when I got into broadcast,

I'm not the greatest speaker in the world. But I just said, I'm gonna give myself at least a fight and chance and I'm gonna put more time into this. And so I work hard at trying to be as prepared as I possibly can be to go into a broadcast. And then with the working out now in my personal life, it's been about discipline and commitment.

And if I let myself go, I feel like then I become a bit of a fraud and what I believe is the foundation of who I am and why I've been able to have some degree of success. And so, I think it's, you know, when you talk about a through line, when you've been asking me those questions, that's the through line for me. It's a discipline, it's consistency,

and it's commitment. Yeah, you're the product. You know, this is an audio show, but we're on YouTube as well, but I mean, Troy's in better shape right now than when he played. I mean, he's, I'm not exaggerating this, I'm not blowing smoke on him. Troy is, when you're a fit dude, I'm pretty fit,

you know, you notice it in guys, especially if they're over 45 or 50 years old, Troy is in a magnificent like shredded shape. What are some of your routines to do this? So do you have, are you, you strike me as a dude now that I've met you? I bet you burn pretty hot, you're an intense this? So do you have or you you strike me as a dude now that I've met you, I bet you burn pretty hot. You're an intense dude. I bet you have a good time. Yeah, but there's this true. You burn hot. You're an intense dude. So am I

and and I admire that about you. I think you are the product that you claim to be and those of the people I like to be around the most like they live what they say as much as they can. Yeah. We all have these weaknesses in our life. So what are some of your routines? Fitness-wise, I know meditations a big deal for you. Like, what does it look like for you? Is it regimented or is every day different? It's pretty regimented.

I'd like for it to be a little bit different, but I know what works for me, and I just kind of stick with that. I've always worked out with weights and I follow some people on Instagram, I follow yourself on all the motivational stuff, but I listen to Marquiem and I've become somewhat of a disciple of his. But it was always, when I retired, a lot of players will just be burned out and working out. Right. And then others go go hard core.

I just kept doing it. And so I continued to live four days a week. I was doing cardio. My cardio was running four to six miles every day. And I in a year, if I took five days off from cardio, in a year, I'd say that's probably a high number. My gosh, really. And so then I started having some hip issues about three years ago, and I had to stop running, and now I do the indoor bike. So I do, and then with COVID hit, I knew that people were going to go one of two ways, and most people were going to really get in worse shape. And I just, again, said to myself,

I'm not gonna be one of those people. I'm, in fact, I ratcheted it up even more to where then I'd always been a good eater. I rarely would eat poor meals or have cheat meals, but then I just got really, really disciplined. I don't like the word strict. I just got more and more disciplined in that. And now my routine at is gotten crazy.

I mean, people that know me, I carry this jug around with the water. I drink it out. You got his jug. There's mine. Hey, you got the same water. Same exact jug, brother, come on now. I love it.

I love it. Yeah, no, I was drinking up to three gallons a day. You're drinking all the time. All the time. And then I read that you hit a certain number. It doesn't matter anymore. And so I said, well, that's a relief. So I backed off.

But I do that. I've been meditating for about 10 years, changed my life. And then I got the cold plunge. I do the sauna. I do that every evening before I go to bed. And just about a month ago, I got red light therapy, I got the red light stuff going.

But I mean, if I read about it, then I wanna incorporate it. And I've always been a good sleeper, but now I just will not relent on my sleep. I just make it an absolute priority. And it is, it's the best I've ever felt in my sleep. I just make it an absolute priority. And it is. It's the best I've ever felt in my life. By the way, I mean, all of those are my jam.

I have the red light therapy bed. It's a great, I got a therapy bed. I started the red light about two weeks ago. It's brother, it's awesome. By the way, one thing you can do too, that there's a setting on there for sleep. You have a therapy bed, which bed you have? I've got a panel. Yeah, okay. Because the thing I have actually can actually program it for sleep too. So my sleep's actually got deeper. Off the just for the record. I was talking Alex Guerrero a few weeks ago, Tom's trainer and we were talking about cold

plunge, cold therapy, sauna stuff. And I'm going to play with this. I'm just giving it to you. I'm a can't validate this medically. But he did say that he does think some intermittent break from it, that there is an adaptation your body goes through. And so he recommended to me a little bit of a break. And then your body recalibrates in the cold plunge and the cold therapy works a little bit better. So I do that too. I do know. Well, the other, I first thing I do in the morning is take cold shower. And I haven't had a hot shower, period. I've been at a hot shower in probably four months since I started. But the cooler, even crazier than me,

you're crazy crazy, okay. Yeah, I haven't had a hot shower. And but between the cold plunge and the cold showers, it totally has changed my nervous system, me too. I mean, in a really positive way. I would get anxious about things. I had some social anxiety. Really?

And I don't wanna say I don't have any of it anymore, but I don't think I have any of it anymore. I mean, I just don't feel it. I just don't. And I tell people, I said, it's the greatest thing in the world. And I've got two daughters that are in college. And I would mention to them, I meditate back when they were in middle school and high school.

And they've gotten used to this whole thing. I mean, they kind of laugh about it. But I don't push it on them, but I try to expose them to it. And they'll pick it up at their leisure and when the time's right. But they work out. and that's always just, that's been part of what they've grown up with.

So I like that. I like that they've picked up on the lifestyle of working out. You meditate in the morning? When do you meditate? Usually. I meditate first thing in the morning. Yeah, after I shower. Yeah, one of the things, I don't know if you do this at all too,

but by the way, I love that you have such a regimented routine. My confidence, I think, now that I look back on it, I think my confidence comes from the fact that I know I'm not going to get out worked. Yeah. And I know that under pressure, I have reflexively good habits that serve me when pressure is cranked up. I sense that with you too. One of the things for me, meditation was very difficult because I am wired pretty tight. And I'm always going, my mind's always thinking. And so meditation was a great gift for me. But one of the things that I've been doing lately with my meditation, just curious if you do it since we're talking about it. I love focusing on my breathing when I meditate. I actually, you know, you're supposed to empty your mind, but one of the things I do lately is I've been really intentional about feeling and sensing my breath. Like, breath work is like the next frontier.

So I've done the cold plunge, I've done the sauna stuff, I've done the training, I do the, the lot of the water, a gallon, gallon and a half a day. I'm in meditation mode. What's the next thing, the red light therapy? The next thing for me has been like breathing work, breath work. If you've done any of that. So my meditation, sometimes I feel like, sometimes I feel like I'm not advancing like others in that space because I only focus on my breath. You do, okay. And I know there's a lot of different ways to meditate, but I only focus solely on my breath

and then the mind, then I bring it back. You know, and I hear people say all the time and I'm like you. I mean, I thought, man, this is gonna be, this gonna be tough. But the way that it's, I've been to a few retreats. I've been to a couple retreats, silent retreats. You're full of said guru. You know that is? No.

Okay. But you talk about the breath work. Wem Hof. Yes. You know, I mean, I've had people who are doing his techniques and I he's another that I follow and he definitely is into the cold sure is And and some people that are like-minded like us they tell me that they're doing some of his techniques in the morning first thing And how life changing that has been yeah now. I will tell you the the reason I started meditating 10 years ago is because I just felt that if anyone should be happy in this world, if anyone has achieved everything that they had hoped to achieve, my dream, my whole life was to be a professional athlete, and I was

able to do that. And I was able to have this great lifestyle from it. I was broadcasting and, you know, and I called a game at the Super Bowl. It was the helmet catch. David Tyree when he beat Tom Brady and the Patreots when they were undefeated at the time. And I remember after that game, Ron Jaworski came up to me and said,

man, that was an unbelievable game, how about that? And I said, yeah, it was great. And he says, oh, yeah. And I said, yeah, he goes, what's wrong? And I said, you know, I, jaws, I didn't really, I didn't do anything. I just talked about it, you know. And when I played in those games and we won,

I mean, heck, I'd be the most excited guy in the room. He kind of had this quizzical look, you know, and walked away and I've never even had this conversation with Ron. But I remember thinking to myself, man, if this is as good as it gets, I just called what maybe the greatest game ever played and yet I feel totally empty. And so I started thinking, man, what if anyone should be happy, it should be me. And what's missing, you know? And I started looking up stuff, reading about stuff, and meditation was kind of, and that's why I say it's really changed my life. And it's allowed me.

And then more so in the last couple of years, because of some personal things that really made me take a real hard look at myself and figure some things out. And meditation has had a huge role in that because for the longest time when I started meditating, I did it, but I didn't really, but the light never came on as to what are the benefits of this. I kept doing it. But then about probably three years ago, I read a book called The Untethered Soul by Michael Singer. Great book. Yeah and and I tried to read it probably two years prior to that and I couldn't get through it. I just like this is too much. And then I read it three years ago and whatever it was that was in that book all of a sudden it just all

became crystal clear. And it changed it's changed my life And so all this stuff the water and the cold plunging all that all that's great. And it's a but Really the the reason I feel as good as I do is because of what meditation has Saying that yeah, just to meet you in the middle same with me I've always and I can't even be on, if I'm really being honest, because I do that on our show, I don't know that I'm on the other side of what you just describe completely yet. I still, I still go if anyone should be happy and real blissful

in their life on a regular basis, it really ought to be me. And I'm not enough. Now I will say what you said, my faith and my meditation practices have enhanced it tremendously. But I still feel like in my case, there's several levels beyond it where I could be more present in the moment and just enjoy that moment more. That's the meditation that's given me, is a little bit more of, okay, I'm in this moment right now. And there isn't another one. The last one I just had doesn't really exist. It's a figure of imagination and the one coming

after this doesn't exist either. But for me too, if I'm being really honest, I still, now part of that I think is both of our wiring that that's why we dealt with winning well because we're not using it. Well, that's why I was gonna ask you you what meditation has given me is stillness. You know, people ask me what does it do for you? I mean, the word that comes to mind is it gives me stillness in my life because I was

like you that, you know, I just always wanted, I just had to go, go, go, go. And trying to meditate and sit still for that, I just, you know, I just felt like kind of just things I need to do. And I got, but now I can just meditate and just totally take in the moment. But the, the, you're probably like me in this regard, then, too, that, you know, I was hard on myself, you know? You, you, that it's crazy, that you expect perfection, you know, I, I would expect myself to be perfect.

It didn't matter if it was playing football, too. Didn't matter if it was given some speech. And it, whatever it was, I just didn't matter if it was given some speech, whatever it was, and it was crazy because there was no reason why I should be perfect. That wasn't even my field, or whatever it was that I was so upset with myself about. But I was hard on myself.

I've had to work through all of that. I've done a lot of personal work. I can see it. Yeah, and that. So there's I've done a lot of personal work and I can see it. Yeah. And it's and that. So there's a lot going on there. And, you know, I'm thrilled that I found it in my 50s. I wish I'd discovered it in my 30s. But, but, but I'm really grateful that that life hasn't passed me by without getting to this point. Yeah. I have a funny feeling, brother, that you're going to talk a lot more about this over time. And you may end up dabbling over my side of things. I could see you really reaching a lot of people with this

as a more and more you dig deeper and understand more about you and what you're doing already today. I guarantee you, we've done a, you know, 35, 40 minutes so far I can promise you the last eight minutes is the part that people are gonna be talking about. I think for me, also, I've pursued things so aggressively all the time in my life. But little thing meditation's done for me and even me reflecting and getting a little bit older is,

I've started to allow certain things just to come to me, that I don't have to go get everything. I don't have to go do everything. Like, I've surrendered a little bit of control and my addiction to outcome all the time, and just let a little of it come my way and I've found it does and it's The things that make us successful in one area may produce external results but can produce internal turmoil And there's just this nuance in our life like if I let go of all of my wanting to control things all of my perfectionism All of my drive and all of my being hard on myself, I probably wouldn't have done some of the things I did. But it's the dosage level.

Wouldn't you agree? Totally agree. It's the dosage. Totally agree. I mean, I did a podcast with a former teammate of mine a few years ago. And he says, talked about how tough I was as a leader and demanding of my teammates.

And it made me cringe because I don't feel I was as a leader and demanding of my teammates. And it made me cringe because I don't feel, I don't feel like I'm that person today, at least not as intense. Not, I'm still intense, but not as intense. And I told them, I said, you know, I think I would have been a different teammate if we were playing today, you know.

And I really, I cringe when I hear you say that. And he was like, what are you talking about? That's why we were able to do it. We were able to do it. So I've had this conversation with others, not on a podcast, but I've had it with others. And they say, yeah, but that allowed you to do what you did. So I totally understand what you're saying.

I wonder, I wonder, could I produce the same results with a little bit more? Totally. I watched the speech of me from like 20 years ago with a company that I had and gosh, I cringed till I'm like, what a jerk. I thought I was being super intense, but like there's just a line there. I'll tell you what happened to me and then we'll move on, but just to share, because I feel like this is important for everybody to hear from both of us, because they look at whatever we both done in our lives and go, that's what I want to be. Some of it you do, and some of it you don't.

I was at a friend's house not that long ago, he was with his kids, this is not a financially successful dude, but man, he's a rich man. It's got a rich life, rich relationships. And I was there like an hour and a half, and there was such laughter in their home. I'm talking about like belly laugh and joy. You ever been in a home like that? And I'm like, and I could tell it wasn't just for me being there. It was like this family has joy and bliss.

I got my car to leave. I've never said this on my show before, but since we're opening up and I went, oh my gosh, like we don't do that in my house enough. We don't do that. This thing about me that's so wound up in tight and loving and serious and intense, all that my kids know that I love them. I have amazing relationships. But like real let him go laughter and bliss and joy.

I didn't learn that from my dad. Yeah. I didn't, a lot of times we mottled. We might have the same dad. Yeah, really? Like tell me other, because my, oh my gosh. Yeah. I didn't, a lot of times we modeled. We would have the same dad. Yeah, really? Like, tell me other, because I think sometimes you model, you may not model their life or their thoughts,

but you can model their emotions. And so, just there wasn't a lot of joy and laughter and bliss. And I didn't even realize the absence of it until I saw it and someone else's home. And I went, now that I'm not willing to cost myself for my children anymore. Do you see that too? And why do you think we have the same dad?

100%. How are our dads the same do you think? Well, my dad was really tough. Demanded a lot. He treated me like I was a grown man from the time I was six years old. And in some ways that's good. And I do think that in a lot of ways,

that is why I was able to go on and achieve a lot of the things that I achieved. But boy, you give up a lot. You give up a lot of child face just change. Yeah, you give up a lot when you're treated like that at a young age. And so that was the way our house was as well. I don't recall any laughter in

our house. And you know, everybody kind of walked around on eggshells. And, you know, and so I'm not that way as a father. But with that said, there are, I'm better now, but there were times then when you were around that, it made you uncomfortable. You know, you just weren't used to experiencing that. You hear this laughter and stuff going on, you're like, you know, what's going on? You know, this isn't where I'm most, you know, I'm not protected in this. So I think that I think I definitely could be better. Like what you're saying is like, hey, you know, my kids, they know I adore them and we've had a great life and all that. But as far as this just exuberant laughter and,

yeah, that's not been. It's not been with something worth evaluating. Totally. I mean, I love him, we have a blissful family, we've enjoyed amazing experiences, but man, maybe part of my disposition could have made it richer, could have made it more blissful. Your dad passed away.

No, my mom passed away about three months ago. Sorry. My father, he's 84. His mom lived to be 100. He's in great shape. He's gonna go. Yeah, he's tough as nails, you know. Do you think you were proven something to him

as you were achieving? I think I always wanted to prove to him I was as tough as he was. I think that was what it was. Tough. Yeah, I think you had to be tough to survive in our house. And I think, and he was pound for pound for pound, the toughest person I've ever known.

I get the feeling that you don't have to comment on it. I'm just gonna tell you, get the feeling, get the feeling that you love your dad a lot and that it was really tough and that you even protect him with what you don't go to, how tough it was. It's the sense that I get, because I'm watching your face. I'm seeing your face. Yeah. Anyway, you don't go to. How tough it was. It's the sense that I get, because I'm watching your face.

Yeah. I'm seeing your face. Yeah. Anyway, you're an amazing son. I'm sure he's unbelievably proud of you. This is getting good here, dude. I hope you do this today. One of you, we're gonna do this. All right, I wanna shift gears a little bit. I wanna have that much more time,

but I wanna ask you about this. One of the things I admire most about you that is so rare in life is that when one dream ends for most people, whether they achieve it or not, they're gonna start a business and then it didn't work. Or they're gonna be a professional athlete and it didn't happen.

Or they're gonna have this amazing relationship and then there's a divorce or a dance. I really admire people who have a second act. Whether they achieve the first dream or not, they come back and they're like, man, I made my second dream happen in my life. And you've done that. Like I said it earlier, you had this prolific career.

I mean, really one of the great careers in the history of the sport you played. And then you get into this broadcasting thing and you're becoming an iconic brand doing that. You and Buck are the best. And it's not even really argued. I don't think by anybody else. I think Collinsworth and he's other guys do a great job.

But like the brand, there's a reason why you paid the way you're paid to do it. When you got into that, were you intentional at becoming great at that as well? And like I'm going to do this for the next 20 years of my life? Is it the same type of preparation, psych, Troy Ackman that you were doing before? Yeah, so when I was retiring, first of all, the way I got into broadcasting was I was still playing. I ended up playing two more years, but it was 1998. The radio play by play guy for the Dallas Cowboys.

He's only done radio and they had NFL Europe back then. Yeah. And I asked him, I said, why don't you ever go over to NFL Europe and call games? And he said, well, I'd like to, but they just haven't given me an opportunity. And I said, well, they've been asked, Fox has been asking me to go over there for years.

I said, why don't we go? You can do play by play. I'll do color, but I had no interest in television, but I'll get a couple weeks in Europe and call a couple games and then you'll get to go do that. And so he said, yeah, so I told Fox that I would do it, but I wanted Brad to be my play by play guy. And so that's how it started.

Like I said, I had zero interest in broadcasting, but when I called the game with him, I just had a great time calling it. I mean, I, because I always wondered, how can guys talk for three hours about it? I'm just not that big of a talker, you know? But then you do the work, you prepare, and you talk to players and coaches,

and you realize you have all kinds of things to talk about. You know, you don't have enough time to talk about all the things that you wanted to. So I really enjoyed it, and at the end of that game, I got a call from a guy named Ed Gorn, who was with Fox Sports and he's become one of my closest friends. And he said, Hey, when you retire from football, if you want to broadcast, we will have a job

for it. And I thought, Oh, so that was the first time I started to even think of that. I might do this. And then when I did retire from football, Matt Millen had been the number two guy. And he left to go become the GM of the Detroit Lions. And he had been behind John Madden for years there. And so I think he was a little worn out from all that. But anyway, I retired and they put me in the number two booth.

And then after one year, John Madden decided to go to Monday night football and work for ABC. And the next thing I knew they were pairing me with Joe Buck and Chris Collinsworth. So we were in a three man booth for a while. But at I really thought I would do it for a couple years and then figure out what I really wanted to do with my life. And then I'd go do that. And I always thought that I'd be in the front office for a team.

I could see that. Yeah, I always thought that, you know, I had definite thoughts when I was a player and most quarterbacks do as to how you build the team, what you need and the type of guys you want. So that's what I thought that I was going to do, but then I got divorced. And my girls were really young. And it just was not something I could do. I was a single father and broadcasting

was the greatest job for that because I was only gone on the weekend. Jurn football season. I was home all week, I'd drive into school, pick them up, go to all their school functions. And then in the off season, I was totally theirs. And so my youngest just finished her sophomore year of college.

So it wasn't until two years ago that if I really wanted to pursue that, then I could have. So broadcasting was not in my long term plans, but then it happened because of my personal life. But yeah, my preparation is every bit as intense as it was as a player. It's just a little bit different, of course. It's not physical. It's just more mental. But I put in a lot of time and I feel like I however you broadcast is really totally up to you. And if it's accepted by the audience

is that when they listen to you but I just always have believed that you can't fake it. So for me to be totally prepared and feel comfortable being ready to call the game, I've got to put in so much time just so I have comfort level. You know, and others may be able to do it with less work. And maybe they're smarter than I am and they just work a little bit better than I do. I don't know. But is this articulate version of you, like I'm being serious too? You said you're an unbelievable communicator. Is that a muscle that's grown since you've been doing it or when if I were to go back and watch that first broadcast? It's grown. Yeah, it's grown. Okay.

And the other part of this is that, you know, there wasn't social media when I started. I said a lot of dumb, I still do. But I'd say dumb things. And it's like, you know, that perfectionist again is like saying in your head, you're an idiot. I mean, what do you, and God, how could you say such a dumb thing? And, but you didn't read about it. So, you know, it was in the new bunch of years.

Yeah, it was, yeah, exactly. It wasn't on Instagram. And, you know, so I was fortunate in that sense, you know, the people that get into this business. Now, really, anyone, you get into the, you know, you're a rookie quarterback all over again, and just the platform that everybody has to weigh in on your performance is much different.

I mean, these athletes are much more heavily scrutinized than I ever was when I came in. Yeah, I think I'm thinking of a thing. I'm just thinking I'm listening to you. I've got a couple more things I want to ask you. I wish we'd go three hours, honestly. But I think the thing I'm most impressed with you is you appear to me to be getting better as a human the older you get. And that's impressive because you came from a pretty high place in the first place, you know, but physically, spiritually, mentally, your ability to think and articulate your thoughts is all at a higher level than it was even 15 and 20 years ago. That's impressive. Or even three years ago. Super impressive. Now, talk about preparation. There's one thing you

can't prepare for. I just, I wanted to ask you this since it happened. You were calling the DeMar and Lynn game. You can't prepare for that. What in the world, everybody knows what I'm talking about with a Buffalo Bill's guy that ended up going to cardiac arrest. They thought he probably had died on the field that night. He's actually coming back and playing this year, which is unbelievable to me. But what's that like?

Number one, that situation, then two, you are now on live television in front of millions of people and you have no preparation for something like this. So all this preparation, Troy Ackman stuff, that's out the window. What was that experience like? Well, unlike anything that I've ever experienced, I mean, I went from a sports cast to a newscast and it looked pretty dire. When it happened, I've seen head injury everybody has on television and that's

initially what it looked like. It was at the marred, got hit and he started to get up and then he wobbled and then he goes down. But it didn't take but a few seconds, less than a minute, to really understand the gravity of the situation with the people that were out. And what we had privilege of seeing with our cameras that the public was not seeing was the amount of attention in the CPR

that was being administered in order to keep him alive. And it was feverish. I mean, it was going on quite some time. I didn't think he was gonna make it quite honestly. Now that broadcast, or the way that we at least covered it, I actually did very little. Joe Buck did the heavy lifting that night, and I told him this, and I'll tell all your viewers. I've seen Joe do some amazing things as a broadcaster

in some big moments in big games, the biggest of games where he's been just perfect. And I thought this was his finest hour. I mean, I thought he was amazing. There was no real direction for him because nobody knew, nobody knew what we were doing. Nobody Nobody knew really the situation we weren't getting much information We didn't know how long we're gonna be on the air there with ESPN and ABC or we're gonna throw it to someone else And you didn't even know if the game was gonna continue for a while. No. Yeah, none of that So it's it turned into an amazing story because Joe and I were in New York for what they called the upfronts for ESPN and Demar Hamlin came out on stage with us. We'd never met him. And it was it was fantastic. I get a little emotional about it just because you know shoot that night. You know, we didn't know if we didn't even know if he was

going to live. But but for him when I've seen him, prior to even meeting him, his platform that he's been given and what he's done with that is really remarkable. I mean, there's some good work being done through that young man and how he's kind of taken this, the mannel and just making the most of the opportunity that he has to reach so many people. Yeah, so are you today Thank you. So are you today. Thank you. Let me ask you one more thing first off

I got to tell you I really enjoyed today. Yeah, I need to a lot. I think we're gonna be friends for a long time I admire you and I like you I Love seeing somebody just get better and better as a person and I see that in you as all of this Please answer this is honestly as you can, because we all know what the easy answer is, is like all this worth it, this meticulous routine you've got,

all the discipline, all the sacrifices, all the weight room stuff, all the film prep that you did, all the media you've had to do, then the transition to going into broadcasting and now you're an entrepreneur, which by the way, go get your eight beer if you're in Texas and do you get it to you.

Where's, um, is, is it worth it? Would it have been okay for you now at your 56? Mm-hmm. If I said, Hey, Troy, life didn't, you didn't want any super bowls. You didn't play in the NFL. You're not in the Hall of Fame. You're not a TV icon guy now. But you've had a pretty good life. You did all right, man. You got out of here, you didn't hurt anybody. Everything turned out okay, but man, you didn't have to do all this stuff you've had to do.

Would you be okay with that life and is the one you chose worth it? Yeah, the life I've chosen is definitely worth it. I mean, I have no regrets. There's nothing I look back on and think, oh man, I wish I'd have done that a little bit differently. I mean, I know that I've given up a lot, but there's a balance.

I mean, you've got to strike a balance for me in terms of what motivated me to achieve. I've always felt like there's another mountain to climb. And the people who find contentment, I used to think contentment was a four-letter word, but now I really admire those that are content. As long as it's, as long as it's put in the right context, right, it's authentic. My sister, who's very successful, she's the CEO of the largest hospital in Oklahoma, she has, she has contentment.

And, you know, and, and I admire that. I now am finding contentment. But before I could never have been in that space. So I feel like I've been a really good father, which has been the only thing that's mattered to me is being, you know, if my girls at the end of my life say, hey, my dad was a great father if they tell people, then nothing else matters.

I mean, you say, hey, you're not really thought of as being a top five all time quarterback. I don't care. But, you know, I think I could maybe make that top five all time dad list. And so that's what motivates me. That's what matters to me. All the other stuff, because our story is going to be told by those who know us best. It's not going to be the people who

the fans that were thrilled that we won Super Bowls. And you know what I'm saying. But yeah, I feel like it's definitely been worth it. And I'm thrilled with where I'm at. I mean, life just keeps getting better. So yeah, I'm happy. I think it's because you're getting better. Yeah. Didn't know that when we booked you for the show that we would talk about these things today,

I'm really grateful that we did. I wanted to know if there's anything I can ever do for you. I'm here to help you. Any way that I can't. You're stud. I'm here to help you. Anyway, that I can't. You're stud. Oh, I'm pretty sure. And yeah, my audience is going to share the heck out of this thing here today, brother. This was outstanding. One of the best conversations I've ever had on our off camera. Well, I enjoyed it. Enjoyed it very, very much. Hey guys, make sure you follow Troy. He's on social media at Troy Ackman or as my producer Sasha said today Troy Ackman

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