THE ED MYLETT SHOW - What It Takes to Make Impossible Dreams Come True

Episode Date: July 19, 2025

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Links are in the show notes. You'll never miss an episode that way. I'm honored today as a lifetime Boston sports fan to have the primary owner of the Boston Celtics on my show is a real treat for me. Wick Grossbeck, welcome to the show, brother. Ed, thanks a lot. It's nice just getting to know you just recently in our chat and reading about you. And I'm excited to be on the podcast.

Thank you. So we got to start out with one of the greatest stories I've probably ever heard. Let's start with some Celtic stuff. We're going to weave in the show, family, all this stuff today. It's going to be a great ride, everybody. But I was reading about how you ended up buying the team. And it is literally like something out of a movie. I mean, it's incredible.

He ends up buying this team for 360 million guys, just so you know, I don't, you know, round numbers it's gotta be worth between, I don't know, five and 7 billion now, probably this, this many years later, at least that's what I'd pay for it if he would let me, but, um, but tell them the story, uh, of how you end up. It's your dream. Let's set the stage with that as a, as kind of a Boston kid growing up

and then how it ends up happening is just incredible. Well, a lot of people helped. I want to start with that, but it was, I was sitting at my desk doing an investment job at age 41 and not sure that that was the be all and end all for me. And I looked up at the wall and I saw a picture from 20 years before when I was on a college team that had won a championship, a rower and I looked at our picture with the oars and the trophy and the shirts over our

shoulders I'm literally getting goosebumps right now thinking about it which if it says something bad about me okay or something good but it's something true about me that I get goosebumps thinking about competing as part of a team and I was like I'm 41 I'm past it but I want to do that again and so the only way to do that I realized was to try to be part of you know buying a Boston team and going winning the championship. So from there I you know went that night or soon to a Celtics game because I had some season tickets and I noticed that it was not full

and it just was in a down period and I wondered if there was a chance to, and it was traded by the way on the New York Stock Exchange so it was a public company so you could see their numbers. And I just wondered if I could politely ask the person who owned it if he would sell me the team, maybe it was time and maybe not, you never know. And we ended up meeting

and having a really nice conversation. And we ended up, I had a deal by the end of the thing to, and I made it clear I didn't have the money, which I didn't, but I was gonna go get the money if I possibly could. And we shook hands and I didn't have the money, which I didn't, but I was gonna go get the money if I possibly could. And we shook hands and he couldn't have been nicer about it. And so then I'm 41 and I've got this contract, but I don't have the funds.

And so I went and met everybody I knew in Boston. And I said, this is gonna be the last Boston team that sells in our lifetime. I've got the contract, we're gonna buy it December 31st. I'd like you to be part of it But we're gonna do it for love not money and this is the whole key to the whole thing We're not trying to make money here. And I'm just telling you the truth that we're probably overpaying. It's it's a record price It might be too much in the context of the day. It was an overpayment probably and

But we're gonna do it to be paid in love and enjoyment and passion there's a whole different way to be paid in life is to enjoy yourself you know you've got to pay your bills understood not diminishing that or minimizing that but think about being paid in enjoyment and breaking even that's what we're gonna try to do here and and that's what happened so I had 20 25 people joined in in the first meeting and others did not join in or brought accountants and try to negotiate puts and calls and interest rates and guaranteed returns and you know, I said, no, we don't have any of that. We're just going to be in it together side by side.

And if it works. As a guy that grew up, well, I was born in Weymouth, but I've been a lifetime fan. You know, there's a lot of guys like you and I, like I'd love to own the Red Sox, but that's not going to happen ever again. I'd love to own the Celtics. I don't think the crafts are going to let go of the Patriots anytime soon. Bob and I sit on a board together for the college football hall of fame. So I'm real sure of that. I've poked

around and but the idea here, there's such a lesson, everybody. I want you to, I want to unpack a lesson here. The key part here is he didn't have the money. No. And there's a thing I've learned about people that become successful and that is that they have their preparation freaks. I think you would agree with me. They want to prepare. I'm sure you prepared for that meeting, but their threshold of what they think they have to know before they'll take a step into the room is lower. And people that have a hard time in life succeeding, they're just always getting around to preparing until all the conditions are perfect and you lose the moment. And so for me, the big lesson, the takeaway was that like, you got the handshake, you give them a non-refundable deposit as I understand it anyways. But you had this thing about you

were like, if I can just get in the room, I'll figure it out. I will figure it out. And I think that's a principle of success with so many people that I meet. They'll put themselves in a position, maybe they're not completely prepared for, but they know if they can get in the meeting, they can get in the room, they can get in the door,

they can get the job, they can get the speech that they'll somehow find their way through it. And a lot of other people never pursue one of these opportunities because they're getting around to getting around to getting ready. That had to be part of the reason why you're sitting where you are today, am I right? I think, Ed, I think although I don't want to, I have to agree that your observation is true. I'm not sure how much it applies to me. I just want to be more humble than my normal attitude. But I respect what you say. And I think the way I might say it is that I had the idea.

And once I had the idea, I was like, of course this is the idea of my lifetime. So I have to, and you can't always see that so clearly, but I just, all of a sudden I started imagining myself as the lead owner of the Celtics, with partners, and I'm like, nothing was gonna stop me from trying. So I think it's the same thing, but in other words, I couldn't have read anything in the preparation

that was gonna talk me out of it. Once I saw their numbers and they were cash positive, so it would give you room to maybe try to improve the roster, borrow some debt, which we had to borrow 180 million and pay it off, so we needed some cash, but we're going to put the rest into the team. There was a whole virtuous cycle that we generated, um, where there was enough, if we didn't all take cash every day, every week, every month, every year, but put it into the team, maybe the team could play a little bit better.

And then the tickets would sell and, you know, that, so I'm coming at it from a different direction, but I'm agreeing. You, if you don't really want to do something, what you're going to do from a different direction, but I'm agreeing. If you don't really wanna do something, what you're gonna do is analyze it until you find a no answer. If you wanna do something, you're gonna get enough information and then try to go for it.

I mean, my wife, Emilia, right now is at a meeting in an undisclosed West Coast location with one of the biggest kind of stars in the world. I mean, one of the top stars, and that person wants to get involved with our Sincorro Tequila as a co-owner alongside Michael Jordan and Jeannie Buss and Wes Edens and us.

And Amelia's in that meeting one-on-one with this person, and they're from different backgrounds. And, but the connection has been made already and there's gonna be more coming out of it, but she's not prepared for the meeting. You can't prepare for this meeting. You just have to have, I mean, she's as prepared as she can be, but you just have to have belief and optimism and maybe things will happen. Wow, that's so good. I actually think if we all step back and look at our lives a little bit different, our lives have been preparing us for whatever

moment we're in right now. And if you can have that belief somehow that everything I've been going through in my life, no matter what it is, prepares me for this moment. There's another little element and listen, you are being humble and I love that about you and that keeps you making good decisions. When you lose humility, you can make big mistakes believing your own press clippings. I agree with that. I've made those mistakes in my life. But having said that, there's another little element to the story before we move off of it that I want everybody to hear. And I like, I'm gonna make you aware of it because I just think when you're great at something, sometimes you're just oblivious to it.

But the vast majority of people that listen to my show or are watching us right now, they have their own version of buying the Celtics. It's to start their restaurant. It's to write the book, right? It's to find their dream relationship. It's to lose 50 pounds. It's whatever it might be, um, start their charity.

And what happens oftentimes in people's lives is a dream stealer. I call them comes along and talks them out of it. And oftentimes it can even be somebody whom you admire and respect. I know like in my career, I remember when I started my dad, who's my hero, really questioned what I was doing and wanted to talk me out of it. Not because he was a hater, because he loved me and he wanted to protect me. He didn't want me to make a mistake. Did you have people that you admired and that you looked up

to tell you you were crazy to be doing this and to be careful? Maybe you're paying too much money? Did you have anything like that happen? I did. I also want to come back to what you just said about people's goals. So I'm gonna try to remember to do that after I answer your question. It wasn't that they were haters for sure,

but I had people I respected, I went to, talked about, I think the first four people I met after shaking hands on the Celtics, the first four people I met hoping they would come in said no and for perfectly good reasons you know overpayment I had never had an employee before I had... We'd say that again you had never had an employee before?

If you can call my assistant an employee I did have one employee she's we're still working together today 21 years later Wendy Cooper she's fantastic but she doesn't really report to me, if you know what I mean. But other than that, but I guess I just, I got some very qualified no's, thoughtful no's from people that I really respected, but then I went ahead and signed the contract and wired the money.

Then when I had the signed contract, everything actually got easier. If I can just talk for a minute about your observation that everybody has a dream or hopefully everybody has a dream. The way I say it or I've said it to people in the past like a class, a college class or something would be I got to win a banner with the team in 2008 you know got the ring we got the banner up in the rafters had the parade and I want to win two more banners before I die and everybody will normally go yeah of course and why doesn't he want to wear it and

win five more or something I said no no no you don't understand. My son is born blind, Campbell, and doesn't see, has many amazing qualities, he's everybody's favorite person who meets somebody he's struggled with or had to cope with not being able to see his whole life. I became the chairman of Mass Eye and Ear, which is the world's largest and among the leading, blindness and deafness research institutions affiliated with Harvard,

but really stands on its own since the 1820s. And the motto is so that the deaf may hear and the blind may see and so one banner I want to raise is we beat blindness and one banner I want to raise is we beat deafness you know we're done with it and and my point being that everybody in the room that I'd be talking to and I think probably every listener here could raise a banner they have those talents but what do you want your banner to say do you want to say I did something about hunger or homelessness or poverty in my community or in the broader world I did something

about I did something for someone who was lonely I did I did I helped somebody fight cancer I was a great parent or a great. I did, I helped somebody fight cancer. I was a great parent or a great partner. I mean, it doesn't have to be the biggest banner in history, but what banner, when you're 80 years old, 90 years old, what banner do you wanna have in your rafters? And then let me know when you do it

and I'll come to the celebration. So that's kind of what I think about it. That's so good and you know it. I'm stealing that. Yeah, well I kind of polished it. I've polished that a little bit, but I think it kind of works because people think, oh yeah, this guy wants to win more banners, big deal. But no, they're different banners. Brother, that's remarkable.

I was going to ask you about Campbell later, but I'll ask you now since you brought him up. How is having Campbell in your life, it makes me emotional and he's not my son. I don't even know what the heck I'm doing right now. I have a sister, Wick, who went blind with diabetic retinopathy. So this is a subject that's close to my heart as well. Now fortunately we've got some of her vision back, but how did having a child who, I'm sure when that happens, I really have this,

this theory that when God maybe takes a gift from somebody, he doses them with incredible other gifts that make them superhuman in certain ways. But I'm curious as to having a child like Campbell, how it changed you, it had to some extent change you or an effect you, give you a perspective or something that was different before God blessed them in your life. How did it affect you? Well, I guess I would just say Campbell and his sister are both spectacular, thoughtful people who are generous and giving and do everything they can for other people. And so that's one of his gifts. He's beloved by everybody who meets him. Really, that's true, not an overstatement.

He probably taught me and others to, I don't want any more pain in the world. I don't want people to feel overlooked or left behind in any way. Everybody feels this way. I'm not saying I'm special in that way but it just made me realize that you know we have to go fight blindness we have to go fight fight deafness he gave me probably a little bit more of a purpose but anyway Campbell doesn't owe me anything but he's the most wonderful he and sister are

spectacular and his mom and I worked hard raising them, but they started off spectacular anyway. You know, what does make you different? I'll just brag on you. Um, since you, it's pretty clear to me early in the interview, you're going to refuse to do it, so I'll do it for you. And this isn't just you. A lot of people have feelings about things in life, Wick.

This is why I do my show. They feel like they want to change their emotions. They feel like they want to change their family station in life. They feel like they want to make a difference. But what separates people isn't that you have that feeling. It's that you use the word that you just use. They fight for it. And you know, life's not gonna give you what you'd like to have or you want to have or you feel like having. It gives you what you're willing to fight for. And what separates people in life is their willingness to fight for something that's bigger than them. And to your point, this banner is one of those things, but that is what separates you. A lot of people would have liked to own the Celtics, you fought for it. That's why you have it. And I think there's a lesson there. You're not going to say it about yourself, but it's a fact. I think when you're

in the midst of doing something great in your life, you really don't even realize it because you got the meetings every day and the pressure and we lost in the finals last year. So it doesn't really dawn on you probably till it's long done and you are 80 years old, Wic, you're like, I owned the flip in Boston Celtics and I even have the money to buy the team. The other thing that dawned on me about you is the sitcom. So it's called Extended Family Guys

and it's sort of loosely based on Wick and his family. Tell me this isn't really how this happened. Cause it's like, if I understand the premise, I understand the premise. And by the way, I've heard unbelievable things about Amelia, just so you know, from mutual friends of ours, they're like, Wick's pretty good, but Amelia's remarkable. And I'm serious. Whenever I go to a Celtics game up in Boston, Amelia lives primarily down in New York. And so whenever I'm at a game in Boston,

everybody's like, hi, Wick, where's Amelia? Where's Amelia? I mean, I will hear it 12 to 15 times a night, including tonight's. I hear this too. And where's Amelia? And so I asked her the other day, I said, Amelia, has anybody ever once asked you, where's Wick?

And she's like, oh, oh honey and she's like the big smile she's like she's crunching up her face thinking of a time someone might have asked where's WIC like that's it. She asked her brother like I'm sorry man well I'll ask where you are next time I'm there I'll ask around. But I gotta tell you I think people look at someone like you or you know anybody they see on TV or so like their family dynamic must be perfect as well. Right. And so then I'm reading into your background, like, well, he's got a beautiful and incredible family. But there was, I'm sure the day you found out that that Campbell had an issue with his vision, that's something to process.

Right. That's not that's a curve ball. We'll call it a curve ball. And then I don't know that this is accurate, but I know the premise of the show. The premise of the show is that you, you, and there's, there's a woman who ends up getting divorced and she ends up living under the same roof with her ex as they decide to raise the children. And this really successful guy owns a sports team,

ends up dating her. And then there's this crazy dynamic that takes place. Tell me that that's actually accurate, did that actually happen? I'm sitting in the I'm sitting in the communal apartment right now in Manhattan. George, Emilius X was born and raised in Boston, went to BC, born in Needham, huge Boston sports fan, there's been more back to that later, but hilarious guy, brilliant guy, worked on Wall Street for many, many years and really, really funny and really nice guy and a great dad.

But eventually, apparently the marriage ran its course and, but they were both, they said, look, we're gonna be better friends. So what if we stopped being married, but we kept the kids intact, you know, as best we could. This is the story of the show. So speaking for George stopped being married, but we kept the kids intact, you know, as best we could. This is the story of the show. So speaking for George and Amelia here, who were co-creators and co-executive producers,

the idea was that they had, which I think is brilliant, was to, basically it's called nesting, and it happens every now and then. If you can get along with your ex, the ex switches in for a week, and then you switch in for a week, and the kids stay put in their bedrooms. And the kids, I think were young,

I think there were eight and 11 at the time or something, or nine and 12, and it just probably provided more stability and calm that mom's here or dad's here, maybe there were Sunday dinners, but everybody got along, and they went, I mean, they may have still gone on family vacations. To this day, we all have Thanksgiving and Christmas together and so on.

So George is part of the family. He has welcomed me to the family. There was a family event, there was a family funeral and I just met George that evening. Amelia and I had been dating a little bit and in front of the whole family, George stood up in this emotional time and said, I just want to welcome Wick to the family.

Like he knew it was serious. George is a fantastic guy. And so when George is willing to go that far for his kids and the happiness of not only his ex, Amelia, but his two kids and Amelia was willing to go that far. And of course, I'm happy to share everybody's life together. I mean, it's an amazing thing when it can happen. We didn't start the show to give people a lecture

It's just kind of funny because if Boston sports fans head explodes when his Dynamic beautiful wife ex-wife brings home the owner of his favorite sports team. It's a little bit much. Okay, that's crazy He literally said and he named a couple NBA owners what about this guy or that guy you know Mark Cuban can't you date Mark Cuban you just can't Boston sports is all I have okay so he's so funny he's now a writer on the show by the way so he's in the writers room out there in LA half the time. That's awesome you guys just picture this you're really with first off it is unique that you're living essentially the same house with your ex-wife,

and then you're this huge fan of the Celtics and she dates the guy that owns the team. So we've got Donald Faison playing the Celtics owner and he's thrilled. He actually won the celebrity basketball league in LA. He was like on the winning team. He's a real basketball player. He's a hilarious guy. And I personally wanted him for my role because I wanted to have, I just imagined Donald Faison owning the Celtics

It seemed to work for me and then Abigail Spencer very talented was Scotty on suits and then in Brazen Anatomy and Mad Men She looks a lot like Amelia and but she's just very talented in her own right and she's playing Amelia's role and then John the very super talented John Cryer is playing George And so that's why we were actually last week, the number two show on all of Tuesday night. Congratulations. By the way, the reason I know about the show is John Cryer, my huge two and a half men fan.

And I think he's just, he's awesome. So you guys go check out the show and just, this man's life is so interesting. Like everyone's that sold to me, Hey, if you get the owner of the Celtics on the show, do it. And then I start to research them because I don't just have any owner on the show. I only do 52 interviews a year. And I'm that sold to me, Hey, if you get the owner of the Celtics on the show, do it. And then I start to research them. Cause I don't just have any owner on the show. I only do 52 interviews a year and I'm like, my gosh, this man is so compelling. It's so interesting. What's it like? What's it like when the dream comes true? Take us through this 2008.

Uh, it finally happens. You've owned the, I guess you probably owned the team about six, seven years by that time. Right. And you get to actual raise the actual happens. You've owned the, I guess you probably owned the team about six, seven years by that time, right? And you get to actual raise the actual Celtics banner with the parade. I read some stuff like when you were selling people on investing in the team, it was not just the fun of it, but it was also like, imagine the parade day, you know, imagine this raising the banner. You actually sold the dream to investors, which is what I think all great leaders do. They've got a vision.

They've got an ability to sell a vision and a dream and repeat it and get buy-in from people. That's one element of the things that you're great at that you discount about yourself. But what is it like when you actually step into a dream? Because most of us, most people listening to this, pray for that day where they actually meet their dream. They're stepping into it. What's it feel like? I was almost like bewildered. It was so, I didn't let myself, uh, believe it almost because it just seemed too implausible. I know it was halftime of game six and, uh, we were up by 28 points at halftime.

We went on a run right before halftime. We're up like 26, 28 points at halftime. I went into our court side club and I've got Stephen Tyler in there from Aerosmith and Bill Belichick from the Patriots who was a terrific guy off the field, on the field, he's non-communicative or whatever he is, off the field he's hilarious. And I'm standing next to Belichick and I said, Bill, what do you think?

I figure if anyone's gonna take me down a notch, it's Bill Belichick and I said Bill what do you think like what do you think I figure if anyone's gonna take me down a notch it's Bill Belichick right like take a one play at a time like the most dour right by the book and he goes are you kidding me you're the bleepin world champions we can celebrate now he goes tequila for everybody in the bar like he what called it at halftime I'm like we just got jinxed by Bill Belichick but we we won by 39, you know, but I still didn't believe it. I'm like, well, they could come back, we're up 30, you know, and then they put these velvet ropes at our feet that they were preparing to raise.

And then like all of a sudden I remembered, oh my God, the trophy's in the building. Like I hadn't even allowed myself to think about the trophy. And I'm like, I'm about to be handed this trophy. And I had no remarks prepared. You know, I just didn't let myself prepare because I didn't want to jinx it. I was superstitious, I guess.

And I just didn't believe it was true. But you know, to this day, every day I walk out onto the court, I'm like, I'm sitting in these great seats. And I'm like, I guess it must be me. And my partners who were sitting with me because like, who else would be sitting in these seats? Like I, it's kind of a pleasant surprise every day.

I swear to God it's that good. Are you telling me Bill Belichick bought a round for the bar or am I exaggerating that story? Yeah, he did. That's the way I remember it. We're going to go with that. We're going with that. You, uh, you win. I don't know for me, people have asked me like different dreams of mine that have happened. If I'm being honest, when they happened, they were incredible, but it didn't last as long as I thought it would if I'm being candid, meaning the joy of it in the EU4. This is just me.

I'm just sharing from my perspective. I'm curious for you because of the pressure of now doing it again or doing something bigger. And so it's, it was almost like for me, I got as much joy and almost pursuing the dream as I did in actually the achievement of it. And there's actually some studies that say you get more dopamine in the pursuit of a goal than you do actually when you hit it in your brain. No, I can, I can refute that. Okay. Give it to me. I want to,

I want to hear your perspective 16 long years, but every day I'm happy about it. And you are, yeah. I'm happy about it. And yeah, I mean, because it wasn't just me, I didn't make any of the baskets, you know, it was us as a group and we got there and I don't know, I'm just, maybe it's just, it's my character or lack thereof or whatever, but I'm happy, I'm thrilled about it. Could that explain why you haven't won another one in 16 years?

I'm just kidding. I mean, it's giving you credit. Well, we won another one in 16 years? I'm just kidding. I'm just giving you credit. We're on top of the league right now, my friend. We are five or six games ahead of like everybody else, but we don't want to jinx it because it's only two thirds the way through the season. What about that though?

So the team itself right now, I'm a huge fan. And so we've been knocking on the door. I say we, and I don't have an ownership piece until this interview is over today. But the, we've been knocking on the door. I don't know. Five Western Eastern conference finals, couple finals. And that's frustrating. It is the joy of winning for you greater than the pain of defeat,

at least as the owner, meaning you said it's frustrating, but it looks to me like it's frustrating, but that, that championship meant so much to you that, you know, you can grind through the, man, we were so close, we were so close. What's that feel like? If we can get back there, it'd be super sweet. John Henry once told me his second one was his favorite

because you could prove the first wasn't a fluke, but Red Auerbach of the Celtics always said the first one was always the best. So I'd love to have the debate. I'd love to have the chance to have the debate. I'm glad I got one is better than none but you know there will never be a loss that's bad enough to make me want to leave. I actually think the loss has put the wins in perspective in a way they make them sweeter. If you're just

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because he's a story of resiliency, faith, strength, comeback. I don't know that I've ever said this and meant it more. I am so grateful that you are here today and welcome to the show Demar Hamlin. Good to have you here brother. Man, thanks for having me. I appreciate you know, the answer. Somebody who's going through, they're on the bottom right now. Right now in their life. They're like, man, I'm down right now. You know, I just, nothing's working out. You know, my business just failed or I just broke up with my relationship or man, just nothing I've done has been clicking for years. I don't feel good about myself. I'm down.

And this may sound like an interesting metaphor, but they need sort of a life version of CPR to get back up again. They need some life breathed back into them literally. get back up again. They need some life breathed back into them literally. What would you say to somebody who's just down right now and wants to make a comeback? What would you say to that person who's struggling with that right now? First thing I would say is, man, you can't, you can't conquer the world in one day. So, you know, just take yourself out of that big perspective and see how you can take one step and put the right foot in front of the left foot.

You know, something I've heard a while is you can't sit in the pool of pity, you know. So even when you feel that feeling of, you know, you want to harp on your your situation or your circumstances too much, get up and move. Like literally, I mean, get up and move, you know, so you can get yourself out of the film before you get sunk too deep into it. That's the first way I would say just, you know, to deal with the emotions that come off of your situation. Don't allow yourself to sit in it, get up and move and don't think you can just know that you can't conquer the world in one day.

So wherever it is you want to be, you know, you got to take it step by step one day at a time. You know, I knew that I had to take it step by step one day at a time. You know, I knew that I had to take it step by step one day at a time. I couldn't worry about, you know, trying to suit up and play in the playoffs again or I would have drove myself crazy. Literally I would have drove myself insane. I had to know that it's going to be a journey. And even through this season that I just went through, you know, people deal with ACLs and

don't come back in the time period that I did or any other injuries that don't come back in the time period that I did or any other injuries and don't come back in the time period that I did. So I know it's going to be a journey. Even when some people return off the ACLs, they're not, they're not their same selves that first season up their back. They need time. They need steps. They got to put the right foot in front of the left and they got to walk the journey.

They got to go through the ugly phases. You know, I feel like I just went through an ugly phase this whole season. You know what I mean? But I'm super proud of myself, you know, so go through the ugly phases. You know, I feel like I just went through an ugly phase this whole season. You know what I mean? But I'm super proud of myself. You know, so go through the ugly phases. Don't be afraid of it. Embrace it. That's the big that's the biggest part of it all focus on taking one foot in front of the right, go through the ugly phases. And just continue to try to get better one day at a time one step at a time and write down what you feel is necessary

to accomplish what you wanna get done, and then follow it. Make no negotiations with yourself whenever you set the plan out. Like if you say you're gonna do certain things at certain times or with certain people, make sure you do them. You know what I mean?

Hold yourself to a different standard and accountability so that you can get out of your situation. You know, you can't get out of a situation doing the same things that put you into the situation. So, you know, that's like insanity, doing the same thing and expecting different results. You know, and I'm kinda preaching that message to, you know, a lot of my personal friends in my life,

you know, who are, no, they complain about certain things or they bring certain things to my attention. And then, you know, they keep doing the same things. I'm at the point where it's like, no, you're gonna keep dealing with the same certain type of things. Don't even tell me because like,

don't sit up here and just waste all my time. When you okay with accepting the same things, I got you where you are. If you wanna get yourself to a different situation, you got to do different things to get different results. Yeah. That's my perspective on it. That's so good. I'd rather I'm just sitting here going, you got to be kidding me. This is so good. You know what you are? You're a great perspective giver.

Just who you are. I got to tell you today was a particularly not not great morning for me and I was talking to my daughter and I said, she goes, how are you doing today daddy? I said, I'm not having a great morning Bella. I'm not having a good day. And then we hung up and I was kind of just re, I've been so excited about this interview for so long. It's kind of like re-preparing a little bit. And then I literally said to myself, I just, everybody hear this for whatever you're going through. I said, really? You're not having a great day compared to what? The day Demar had on January 2nd, 2023 in that moment, that's a bad day compared to me. I'm at a couple of meetings not go the right way, right? And this man was in front of millions of

people literally fighting for his life. Does it give you a perspective, brother, like when you're having what was used to be a bad day, you're like, well, not compared to, like compared to what, right? Do you ever have that thought? Does it give you perspective on that? Man, every day, every day, to be honest, you know,

there's no day where I can, you know, allow myself to get too low anymore because, you know, I have the appreciation of life, you know, there's no day where I can, you know, allow myself to get too low anymore because, you know, I have the appreciation of life, you know, so no matter what's going on in life, just to still be here is a blessing because we all know some people who are not. And we all wish that we could have some people still with us. So no matter my situation, I'm able to allow myself to appreciate something, you know, it's hard to appreciate everything, you know, especially when, you know, for people that are listening, especially when you know, you're

going through situations where your emotions are rising in, you know, you you're feeling whatever you're feeling the most, but I'm always able to bring myself to appreciate at least one thing, no matter what it is, no matter if it's the ability to still play football, because I could have been taken away from me. No matter if it's, you know, just appreciating family, my little brother, my mom, my dad, you know, no matter if it's just, you know, appreciating a deep breath, man, or appreciating wherever I am in the world, you know, if I'm I'm in California you know if I'm in at home if I'm anywhere in the world you know I

always bring myself to find at least one thing that I can appreciate and it shapes your perspective differently it really does. Wow brother I love you I'm two things I got one last question one I'm grateful for you. You as well. Thank you for this. This was therapy. Good. Well, me too and millions of people. The second thing is I just as a brother, I'm proud. Shoot, I'm getting, I'm just very proud of you. Very proud of you. You're remarkable. All right, a football question because it'll be pissed if I don't ask. So are you a free agent? No. Okay, so you're on a contract? I'm with the Buffalo Bills. I'm a Buffalo Bill. Okay, because I read something today,

Bill's Mafia, I read something today, you know what I'm gonna ask you about. They were like, hey, I wouldn't mind ending my career playing for the Steelers, right? Is that an accurate quote? Like, I just make you awkward. I asked you, I didn't push you too hard on what happened on the field, so I gotta, like, is like, people want to know what's gonna happen with this young man So we know you're you're a bill But is there a little party be eventually would love to finish up with the Steelers or you want to be a bill for life? I want to be a bill for life You know, that's the team that truly took a chance on me and gave me opportunity, you know to show what I can do

You know, I'm a late round draft pick. Throughout the whole entire draft, you know, I watched my name sit as the first name to best taken, you know, for like two, three rounds, you know, and I'm just like, will I ever get my opportunity? You know, I knew I had what it takes, you know, but, you know, opportunity, like preparation doesn't always need opportunity. I was prepared, but I didn't know if the opportunity was going to come. So, you know, the Bills when they selected me, you know, I was

I was I felt so blessed, you know, and I didn't know anything about Buffalo. I didn't know anything about Bills Mafia at the time. But, you know, it didn't take long for me to for them to show me exactly who they were. And, you know, for me't take long for me to, for them to show me exactly who they were. You know, for me personally, and then doing my research as well, just seeing how they treated their players, how they treat other players on other teams, you know,

like donated $80,000 to other people's team, like to other teams' foundations. Like it was, it was just unbelievable of like the support that Bills Mafia has for the players of the Buffalo Bills. So first and foremost, I want to clear all the air. I want to be a Buffalo Bill for life. Cause that's the team that took a chance on me. When I answered that question, you know,

I answered it from the perspective of, you know, a childhood perspective, you know, a kid that, you know, grew answered it from the perspective of, you know, a childhood perspective. You know, a kid that, you know, grew up his entire life. Like I told you, man, I had a dream for a long time. I had the dream for a long time, you know, just making it to the NFL and just being able to have an opportunity to, you know, take care of my family and give back to my community, something that I didn't have as a kid growing up, you know. So that was always my driving force. But, you know, as a kid, you know,

like playing the game, I always created myself as a stealer and I always, you know, played the game like that, just as a kid. So the question they asked me, I answered it from a childhood perspective. And then I also answered it from the perspective of, no, I don't want to play for the Steelers right now because I'm a Buffalo Bill. You know what I mean? Like I'm still under contract with the Buffalo Bills. And then on top of that, and then on top of that, you know, I spent five years at the

University of Pittsburgh and I shared the facility with the Steelers. That's how I built a close relationship, you know, with them. And then so that's college five years and then four years of high school where we had championship games at, you know, the stadium. So, you know, I've had my fair share of time there. How I answered the question was. It would more so be a dream

to finish career than to be playing now. You know, and I say that, I said that lightly because, you know, you see players all the time who have a career, they'll have like an eight, 10 year career with this team. And then they'll go play for this team for X amount of time. And then when they finally retire, they'll go sign that $1 contract with the team that they felt most connected to and then retire with that team.

Um, so, you know, it was, it was a lightly answered question. That kind of like super stirred up social media, but to be honest, you know, even through all the chaos of it that it caused, I'm just super excited to finally see people excited to see me play football. Yeah. That was a great feeling that above all those, no, above all the chaos in my, the cause that was just a great feeling. You know what I mean? I dealt with so much, um, no controversy and you know, like just craziness all

year long, just, uh, it just, if, if I long, just if I needed to be playing, if I was just all of a sudden just this trash player, if I just was never good at football and I'm only famous for one thing and this and that, you know, so I went through a whole year of that, you know, and you know, just chirping, you know, I don't allow none of that to enter my inner matrix, but, you know, it was super exciting to see people, you know, excited to see me play football

again. So like, you know, it turned me up a little bit, man. It made me go harder in the gym. It made me go harder in the gym those days because, you know, I'm excited for them to see what I got in the tent, too. I am as well. Take it easy on the Patriots. I'm a Patriots fan. This is one of the greatest boxers of the last two decades and you might even argue in the history of the sport. And so, Andre Ward, thank you for being here today. Appreciate it, man. Thanks for having me.

Like, I could go three hours of this, but you said that one punch. Who's hardest you ever been hit by who? Hey, hey, hey. I would say, it's tough to say one guy, but I would probably say the guy with the strongest power, the two guys with the strongest power are Arthur Abraham. And I heard rumors about him. The analogy people always gave was he feels like he's got bricks in his gloves. And if you watched my first fight with him, the only fight that we had in the first round, he hit me with a jab. And for those that don't know, that's a basic punch in boxing, just a straight punch. Wow,

he hit me and I kind of buckled a little bit. I said, oh boy, it's real. Everything they said was real. And that kept me on my toes and kept me on my game the whole night. And then Edison Miranda, he hit like a mule. His money punch was the right hand. That's pretty much all he had. He'd paw with the jab, he had these long arms. And if he landed that right hand flush, a lot of guys went to sleep.

And that was my first time facing a big puncher like that. And that's probably the worst I've ever felt after a fight, was fighting Edison Miranda. Those two guys probably had the most devastating power. So I thought you were gonna say, and we'll wrap up the boxing piece here, I thought you were gonna tell me Kovalev. So, I love your face when I said that.

So, for those of you who don't know, so I'm a huge fan of yours, you know this, but now that we're friends, I need to tell you that before you fought him. You a little worried? I was worried for you. So I thought, this is the crusher. This dude supposedly can really hit, right?

And so y'all don't know this, he beat him twice. Cause those are the last couple fights, right? So just, what would you just tell me about fighting him, prepping for him, getting hit by him, those fights, anything you would tell me about those experiences? I mean, the first fight was like, hey, people thought it could have gone any way. The second fight, there was obviously no question.

Yeah, no, I mean, Kovalev was like, he's a real deal. He's a real deal. Anytime you got a nickname like the Crusher, you better be able to hit hard. And he has good power, he has good power. It's not what I thought it was. But he hits hard. And I think one thing that's always been overlooked

in my career, you hear about people saying, oh, he's a good boxer, you know, Dre, you know, he can do this, he can do that, but they never talk about my chin. And that's not really something I wanna be known for. Because you don't wanna get hit all the time. Hey, that's not really my thing, but like, I fought the best punchers in the game.

And I've been down twice in a 32 fight career. And I fought the best. And one of those times was against Sergey Kovalev. I can't get into too much because we're going to be putting out the documentary soon and we're going to detail a lot of what happened in the pre-fight for Kovalev 1, but just went through a lot of different things physically for that fight. I was moving up in weight from 168 pounds to 175 pounds,

but again, like you just mentioned, I'm not going up there just to fight some Rudy-poo. I'm fighting the best guy. This guy was the real deal. Russian fighter, he was known for going into other people's hometowns and home countries and like taking their belts. And nobody really wanted to fight him. And here I am a guy that's in a lower weight class who's not really considered

a big puncher, but has a lot of skill. And I've pretty much won everything at the lower weight class. And people are saying, man, he's going up in weight. Like the overall consensus was the critics were saying he bit off too much. This is the guy that's finally gonna get him. And my supporters were saying, Drain's going out boxing. We get into the fight and the first thing I noticed about him was just how accurate he was. Like it wasn't necessarily that he hit hard, it was just he was just very accurate. Like I was thinking and he was punching. And the first round was just like, man, it was just like a blur.

I remember sitting down and Verge getting on me right away, said, man, stop posing. Meaning stop standing still, move your legs. Warm up, get moving. And I was just kind of like, man, I don't know. I just kind of felt like I was in quicksand. Second round, he and I exchanged, and I'm getting ready to throw a right hand.

He's getting ready to throw a right hand. He's getting ready to throw a right hand. His right hand gets there first and I just see a flash. Bam! I look up, oh man, I'm on the canvas. I hear the crowd going crazy. I look up, the referee's in my face, six, seven, eight, and I stand up. In those moments, we talked about pre-fight, but in that moment, that's for sure a fight or flight type moment. Like whatever you got on the inside, it's gonna come out. If you got turn in you, it's gonna come out. If you got any kind of coward in you, it's gonna come out.

If you got the dog in you, that's gonna come out too. And I thank my dad for these types of moments because my dad had that dog in him. He's the type of guy that would never start anything, but if you hit him, he's gonna hit you back. And that was probably the best thing that could have happened to me in that first fight with Kovalev was for me to get knocked down

because now I'm mad. Now I wanna get that back. And I'm no longer overthinking, trying to be perfect. Like I was too busy, I was incensed with trying to get that moment back from him. And I found some house and wait man, by the grace of God, I clawed my way back into that fight. And I really felt like from the seventh round on,

I broke him. And when I say broke him, it doesn't mean that he quit. It doesn't mean that he threw in the towel. It means that he wasn't himself. I stopped him from being who he wanted to be that night. And I eked out a win. And I won the fight by the 12th round. From not mistaken, two judges gave it to me.

One judge gave it to him. One judge gave it to him. And some people were not happy about it. And some people were happy about it. And after the fight, I thought I was done. I thought I was done. I think it was a combination of just my career,

like the physical toil that it took to get ready for fights and then the actual fights. And then you see the reaction from the people and it's like, man, I just gave my all. I just beat the boogie man, I beat the monster, and it's still not enough. And I didn't do anything for three months after that fight, and that's a no-no for me.

Like, I always do something. I'll take maybe three, four weeks off, let my body heal, and then I'll start to do some run-ins, some light shadow boxing, I'll get back in the gym little by little. I like had no desire,, literally for three months straight. And I remember going to see my pastor, Napoleon Kaufman, former Raider running back.

Really, he's your pastor? Yeah, he's my pastor. Did he go to Notre Dame or Navy? No, he went to UW, University of Washington. That's right, okay, that's right. That's right, that's right. From Lumpolk. I remember him, yep.

Yeah, I remember going to him, and he abruptly retired after six years in the league and started the church and he's been doing great. I said, man, pastor, I don't know, man. I said, I think I'm done, man. He said, man, why do you say that? I said, I haven't done anything in three months. I said, that's not like me.

I have no desire to do this. And I thought he was gonna co-sign with me. Yeah. And he kind of sat there like he did. He said, you know, Dre, I, he said, I think you'll be fine if you stop right now. He said, but I can see you doing one more. And I remember like, I was thankful for what he told me, but at the same time, I was disappointed.

I'm like, like what? Wait a second. Give me that extra little oomph to like give me the courage to walk away. And he challenged me some out there. I can see you doing one more. I say, really? I said, but yeah, but I just told you, I have no desire to do it. I haven't courage to walk away. And he challenged me, said, man, I can see you doing one more. I said, really? I said, but yeah, but I just told you I have no desire to do it. I haven't been to the gym. He said, I know, I know. He said, but once you make up your mind

that you wanna do the second fight, he said, the fire will be rekindled. And he just sat there. And I got up and I walked out. And again, I had mixed emotions. I was like, man, I appreciate him. Man, that wasn't what I thought he was gonna say. And he challenged me just to go a little bit longer,

go a little bit further. And I was content, even though I knew I was gonna get some heat and people were gonna say, you're running from Kovalev, you lost the first fight, you're scared to fight the second fight. I knew I was gonna get that, but I was over it. Drove home and talked to my wife and mulled over her for about another week.

I picked up the phone, I told my team, I said, man, get the money right. I said, we'll do the second fight. And just like that, the desire kicked back. It did come back. You trained just as rigorously for that fight as any other fight. I had the best training camp for that fight than I probably ever had in my whole career.

I was the happiest. I just enjoyed it again. The first fight, physical issues, it was just a lot of pressure, it just didn't feel right. But once I got through that and got to this other side, man I had a great camp, man I was happy. I had the bounce back in my legs. My body felt good. I just mentally, like me and Verz had planned to knock him out.

That was the first thing Verz said when I went back to the gym. He said, we're going to stop him. And in my mind, I'm like, all right, how? Give me the how. That's the what. What's the how? He said, we're going to hit him to the body. He said, you broke him that second half of that fight. He was exhausted. He said, we're gonna hit him to the body. He said, you broke him that second half of that fight,

he was exhausted. He said, we're gonna pick up where we left off. And the camp was just amazing. It was amazing. Amazing. Like we had bumps and bruises, but that was the best camp emotionally that I've had in a long time. So that leads to the big question.

Like, you retired, by the way, if you wanna see something that's unbelievable. So this was a dominant win, okay? I think your best fight, fight myself because of who it was against too but so you want to see an emotional clip go to his Instagram which we're gonna promote at the very end we're gonna promote some things here in a minute that I want you all to see that are awesome that he's doing but let me just be clear with you you need to go watch this video it's it's emotional

watch I told him I got teary-eyed watching it alone right but so you lost a little of your juice after the first fight, you found it, then he retired after this fight, okay. But like, still the dominant fighter that you are, like why not fight again? Do you know you're not gonna fight again? Or is there the chance that something like that

happens again and that fire gets re-killed and we see you back in the ring again? Because he walked in there, I'm like like this dude is fit I mean ready to go it's been a year Friday that he decided to retire but like really you know how boxers are like really now he saved some money he's not your normal boxer but be real like is there a door open I know you can't like is it cracked open is it possible the right dude came along Called you out. Whatever like be don't don't do the TV answer do the real answer like is there a chance that you would fight again

listen It's not something I'm playing and you know, it's not something I'm playing it's not something that's being mapped out But I'm also smart enough to know that you don't know how things are gonna unfold. You just don't know. So I'm always gonna keep myself in some kind of shape. Yeah, you're smirking. I'm always keep my eye on the game and just see who's who and what's going on. But I'm not planning on it. Like the why is what we're gonna address in my upcoming documentary, Unguarded. I always put these polls out to you guys saying who do you want on my show? And there kept being this name come up, this beautiful name by the way, Fallon Taylor,

Fallon Taylor, get her on your show. But she's probably best known for being a world barrel racing champion. I'm so excited for you guys to hear this story. So thank you for being here Fallon. Thank you so much. So guys, now here we go. I'm so excited for you guys to hear this story. So thank you for being here. Fallon. Thank you so much. So guys, now here we go. Just so you know, if you're driving the car,

you need to grip your steering wheel a little bit tighter because this is about to get really good. Like really hugely inspiring. If you're on the treadmill at the gym, you're about to go from level seven to level 10 like that. And if you're watching YouTube, this is the part where you bring your kids in the room and you say, watch this, okay?

So tell them what happens. You're starting to make your comeback. Guys, this is one of the most amazing stories you're going to hear. So you're making your comeback and what happens? Well, I'd like to tell you my mantra of it's gonna get rocky. And I'm gonna tell you the mantra that my dad told me

the whole time throughout my entire career and me being very risky was, whatever you do, don't end up in a hospital because you'll die in there. And, you know, it just kind of rang in my head because I was riding dangerous horses and I was doing a lot of training and then I started training around the clock

because of the weather and I needed my bills paid and I'm riding, riding, riding, and taking chances that I shouldn't have had to take, you know, just because I was not understanding my growth and I wasn't understanding my contribution. And so I was training really late at night in August in 2009. And I'm riding this horse, that's fine.

Everything's fine, we're training, everything's normal. My poor staff member was there with her boyfriend and it was just us lonely at night, lights on in the arena and I'm gonna train this horse. And as I was taking off around the arena, this horse slipped kind of in a mud puddle. And it was not a big deal. He said, you know, whatever.

He slips and he was feeling frisky. And you kind of know that when a horse behaves a certain way, he's feeling a little frisky, I should have known better, I should have taken more precautions, but I didn't. It's what I do for a living, what's the big deal? And I start laughing, I start giggling, and this horse starts to buck.

And when I say buck, you know, horses can play and buck, and they can crow hop and buck. This horse did something that's like a wild instinct. So he reared up, when he did, he broke all the bones on this side of my face. And when he came down to the ground, I'm still laughing. I'm like, okay, whatever. And you know, in the cowboy industry,

it's, you gotta be tough, you know? And so I start to pull this horse up, and as I do, he hits me in the head again, and I skull fracture in four places. Of course I don't know this. And of course I'm not wearing a helmet, because that's just not the cool, tough thing to do. And he begins to buck a little bit more,

and I just decide that I'm gonna pick a place off over here to jump off Which is a terrible idea But I picked a place to kind of jump off and when I did he kicked my feet about 13 or 14 feet in the air And I landed straight down on my head my legs just kind of flopped over and I was unable to move I was paralyzed right in that moment and what a tough place to be in, because I was in this horrible relationship and in a spot where I'm like, who's gonna save me? So all I have is my career.

If I get hurt, I can't make a living. How am I gonna take care of myself? I'm in this horrible place. How am I gonna get up? I can't make a living. How am I gonna take care of myself? I'm in this horrible place. How am I gonna get up? I gotta get up. And so, my friend came over, I was strapped down to a picnic table

because I was too cheap to ride in an ambulance. So I get taken in a pickup truck on a, in a pickup truck on a picnic table to the hospital, and I get there and I start joking with the staff because it's just my way. And the lady in the front desk, my friend went in and asked for a gurney.

And she said, you don't need a gurney, that girl's out there telling jokes, quit being so dramatic. So my friend that was a paramedic, they take me in and they finally get me a gurney. I could have walked, I think. I think I could have. But when I got through the MRI machine

and joking with the doctor that was helping me, I kept telling him, you know, Hooters closes in 15 minutes and we're really close now. Like, let's go get some food. Tell me I have a concussion, let's get out of here. And he came back in the room, he said, you have a 2% chance to live. And he he said it's really been touching to get to know you but he said the planes are on and you have 13 minute flight to think about

your life and I hope that you really take that time to think about what you're gonna do now because you're never gonna ride horses again and I'll never forget getting I'll never forget getting, I don't know why I remember the guy's names, there were two guys named Russell that carried me to the plane and had me on this, in the sea collar and strapped to the table. And I get to-

Can someone get me some tissue please? Someone grab one, thank you. I get to the hospital room and there's a whole nother story in the hospital room and there's a whole other story in the hospital, but I was told again I have 2% chance to live, that I would never walk again. The neurosurgeon told me I was an absolute idiot for riding horses. Thank you.

They don't stop, they come down and it's over. That's beautiful. So, I had a second to think, and all I could think of was my dad telling me, So I had a second to think, and all I could think of was my dad telling me, you know, you're gonna die in a hospital. You can't, don't die in a hospital. I'm like, this is crazy superstition that you're gonna die in a hospital.

And I wake up the next day heavily drugged, obviously, with a halo on. I had a girlfriend in the hospital tell me they're gonna offer you two scenarios. You can get the surgery with the box in your neck or you can get the halo. They're gonna shave your head. You're gonna have holes in your head.

She said go that way. I've seen this go a bunch of different ways. So when the doctor came in, I started bawling and I was like, I want the halo. You know, all I can think of is this cage on my head. I want the halo. At this point, I've called my mom and dad and told them that I was an offender bender.

Because they're with their grandkids in California. I'm like, I'm an offender bender, everything's fine. It's all fine, it's gonna be fine. And I've gotta figure out a way to get out of this hospital. So I get these nurses that come in and I say, hey, how can I get out of here? Because now I've got this real embedded childhood fear that I'm gonna die in a hospital.

And I've got a damn good chance at this point with the situation I'm in. I could die in here. So shout out to all the amazing medical professionals because it's just my own superstition. They did an amazing job. One came in, I said, I need to get out of here. And she laughed at me and she said, well, you know,

when you can walk from one end of the hall to the other, then they'll let you out. But you're not gonna do that. You got a long time. You need to settle in, you've got about six months, you're gonna be here. So the next nurse came in and she said, she laughed at me and she goes,

she's writing, you've got six months. You just settle in. And then the next lady came in really late on shift and she was amazing and if I could find her I would give her everything I've got. She came in and I said, how do I get out of here? I gotta get out of here, I really gotta get out of here. And she said, well, you walk to the end of the hall

and you come back, you can get out. And I said, well, let's do that, how do we do that? And she said, well, you gotta get up and the big risk is, you know, if and when you fall down, you know, you can wiggle your fingers and toes and that's good, but when you get up, it's not gonna feel like you thought it was and you got all this equipment on your head,

you're gonna hit the ground and then you could die. And I was like, well, they've given me terrible odds at this point, so what the hell? And it was just very cool, this lady, that moment, she has no idea what she did for me because she was just like, well, you know, I'm willing to try it. So she takes a belt and she ties it to the ceiling

and I get up and I fall down just like she said I would. And then she said, if you just put one foot in front of the other, you know, you can get down to the end of the hall and it could take you months, but we're gonna try it. Wow. It took me about an hour and a half. And I got up and down at the end of the hall. And I took all the people that didn't believe me,

you know, the lady at the front desk and the nurses that came in, and I said, tomorrow I'm gonna deliver flowers to each and every one of you guys because you didn't believe. And maybe I can change your mind because Other people are gonna come in here. Oh my god, and they need to know they can walk and so the next day I Gathered up all my strength mom at this point knows that I've had I've been structurally destroyed is what I was told

She got called from actually a newspaper outlet that was interviewing for rodeo publication that had leaked my medical records. So my parents found out in that way. So now I've gotta do damage control and learn to walk. And I told mom, I said, we gotta go to the florist. I made him a promise. And so it was a really cool scene to watch all of these people that just didn't believe,

instead of me being angry at these people that didn't believe in my journey, to just shine a light on it and show them a different way. So I went and got floral arrangements for every single person that told me I couldn't do it. And I walked in there and I walked to each of their offices. And I think, hopefully I gave them a gift that they can always have.

Wow, you're amazing. That they, you might not believe how I'm going to do it. But it gave me a lot of clarity too. Sometimes you're just not asking the right person. Wow. You know? Wow. I think everybody should just literally go back and listen to all of this again.

Thank you. You make this, honestly I'm going to tell you something, this is like such a blessing to be here with you. Thank you. It's a blessing to be of this again. Thank you. You make this, honestly, I'm going to tell you something, this is like such a blessing to be here with you. Thank you. It's a blessing to be here with you. Thank you. I'm really moved right now.

Thank you. And I'm trying to not get too moved so that I can still ask you questions. It has a happy ending. I know. It's such a happy ending. I know, we're going to go to there, but it's a happy ending because of everything you just said. That there's so many things in there that we all have these people who don't believe in us

and we're scared and. And they're scared too. They're scared to tell me I could walk down the hall cause they know I can't. They're scared too. And maybe that's true for so many people where you have these people in your life that are close to you that are maybe pulling you down.

Maybe they're just scared for you. Maybe they're scared for them and you're gonna leave them too, right? Absolutely. And everything that you have these people in your life that are close to you that are maybe pulling you down, maybe they're just scared for you. Maybe they're scared for them and you're going to leave them too, right? Absolutely. And everything that you have. And I just want to acknowledge you, like you're freaking amazing. Thank you. Like you're amazing. And I just, now just to be clear with everybody, this break was very serious, very similar to Christopher Reeve, right? And I mean, not all that dissimilar injury, correct? It's not. It's the same injury. So when you break your C2, that's what controls your head going left or right. And you have a very, very, very small chance of making it out on the other side.

With a lot of neck breaks, this would be the the one that you really don't want to happen. Unbelievable. I'm picturing you there. I mean, you tell the story so well, I can actually picture you. And I'm so proud of you. You're just remarkable. And everybody that just heard this, I told them they were gonna be moved,

but I didn't even know until you told it in front of me how much it would move me. It puts in perspective so many things that I think are big obstacles in my life that really aren't. Sure. And so many things that I think are big obstacles in my life that really aren't Sure And so many things that I think are a really big deal And they're not And that is a big deal

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Very short intermission here folks I'm glad you're enjoying the show so far be sure to follow the Ed Milet show on Apple and Spotify Links are in the show notes. You'll never miss an episode that way. My guest today has a new book out called The Five Practices of Highly Resilient People. Why some flourish when others fold and that is something we really are gonna need to know a lot more of during this time. So Dr. Taryn Marie Stasekul, welcome to the show. Finally it's great to have you here. Oh my gosh, thank you so much for having me. It's such an honor and I'm delighted to be here as your guest. Yeah, I you so much for having me. It's such an honor and I'm delighted

to be here as your guest. Yeah, I'm curious, this is a hard one. And I hesitated to ask this, but like, is there anything different you would tell a young you or a child? So if someone has a child and they're listening to this, or they're a young person listening to this, or if you could go back to you at 14,

anything you would share with them about life or resiliency that maybe is more appropriate or better to be known young than to figure out later in life? What has saved us all a lot of time or pain or angst in life? And I know it's a difficult question because it's not really out of the book, but is there something that's right when I said that came to your mind? Yeah. For me, there's kind of two questions in that question, right? There's the question about how does this work in form parenting?

And there's also the question of like, what would I go back and tell my younger self, right? So you just received the book today and there's actually in the third section, there's a series of chapters on kind of specific experiences. There's a chapter on women and leadership and there's a chapter on resilient on kind of specific experiences. There's a chapter on women and leadership, and there's a chapter on resilient parenting. Yes. Right?

And so the one thing that I'd say about parenting, and then I'll also share what I'd go back and tell like my 14 year old self, I think one of the most powerful things, and it's simple that we can do as parents, is we can be the big person that we can do as parents is we can be the big person that we wanted to have when we were a little person. And you know, we don't all grow up with great role models.

We don't all have great experiences, but we remember, we all remember what it was like to be a kid. And in that moment, when we fell down, when we were crying, when we were getting into trouble, when we weren't making a good decision, when we needed to be heard. Right. Even if we didn't have a good role model for how our big people responded to us, we know what we would have wanted.

It's so true. And so that means in any moment as a parent, to be a resilient parent and to raise resilient children, all we have to do is tap into what would I would have wanted as a little person and what can I offer now as a big person. And what that also does is it breaks the cycle. It breaks the cycle of negative behavior. It breaks the cycle of reactivity. It breaks the cycle of negative behavior.

It breaks the cycle of reactivity. It breaks the cycle of simply repeating what we saw because that's all we know. You know, many, many, many people can perpetuate a cycle. It only takes one to break it. That's right, I call that person the one. In every family, there's the one. And when you find a really happy family,

or a very rich family, somewhere back in their lineage, they weren't. And then the one shows up. And I think a lot of times people think when I say the one, they're like, oh, that's the warrior. That's the, that's the strong one. Well, yeah, you're probably going to go through things that other people didn't necessarily go through, but maybe you didn't. And maybe you just had the courage to share it and maybe it was your vulnerability. It's not a warrior or a grit thing. It's a deciding in your family that you're going to be the one.

It's a deciding in your life that I'm going to change my family generationally forever. And those curses or behaviors or patterns better said in a family can be changed by one person. And you're a hundred percent right about that. A hundred percent right about that. 100% right about that. So the last, chapter 12, by the way, you have resilient living rituals for a resilient life.

And I'm into that stuff. I like rituals. I like, I think it under pressure, human beings operate back to their habits and rituals when they're put under pressure. It's just a reflexive thing to do. We operate reflexively when pressure happens. And so sometimes adversity can create pressure.

And so what are some rituals for a resilient life that someone can have that we haven't covered? Because we've covered a lot of them. We have covered a lot of things, haven't we? Yeah. And I'll just say before I transition to rituals, what I'd go back and tell my 14 year old self, that's okay, in case anyone was waiting for us to touch on that. No, in addition, by the way, when she said that I transition to rituals, what I'd go back and tell my 14 year old self. Yeah. That's okay.

In case anyone was waiting for us to touch on that. No, in addition, by the way, when she said that I got the book, I got the hard copy of the book today. But the reason I know so much about the book is cause I had a digital copy. But go ahead. Yes. Yeah. So I'm a big believer in things happening for a reason.

And not in the like, we tell someone in a hard time, like everything happens for a reason, because I think that invites people to look outside of themselves for a reason, rather than to look inside of ourselves for the meaning that we want to make and how we wanna answer those hard why questions. Wow. Yeah.

And so, just as we talked about, you know, around loving, you know, around loving, you know, our journey, loving ourselves and really integrating, you know, that sense of self love for all parts, for all experiences, I wouldn't change anything, right? Because that brought me to the person that I am today. That brought us to sitting right here across from each other.

And I love my life and I love the person that I'm that I've become and that I am becoming. And that 14 year old girl could have used some encouragement because she was scared and she didn't know how to make sense of what was happening to her. So I would simply go back and I would say to her, it gets better. It gets better. Hang in there. That's beautiful. And you know what?

If I could go back and grab the young me, I would have, I would have loved someone to have said that to me too. I actually, it leads to that question too about rituals because I, um, one of the rituals I've tried to establish in my own life is to encourage people, is to believe in people. And I feel like anybody listening to this, like if there's, when you're feeling helpless, get helpful. And one of the ways you can be helpful in people's lives is to truly believe in them and to encourage them.

And it's amazing that of all the things you could have answered that you Go back to you basically said that you wish you could go back and encourage her and most people if I asked you If you could go back at any point when you were a young person You wish someone could come back and tell you it's gonna get better. Everything's gonna be okay. I believe in you You're amazing to encourage people So if that's the one thing you all wish you could have had more of when you were young, or you would go back and wish for yourself now,

how powerful would it be to be that be the way you are with human beings right now? If it's the one, and I think if I asked 100 people that question, 100 would give a very similar answer. I'd go back and say, everything's gonna be okay, it's gonna get better. You're amazing. I don't think there's a human that wouldn't answer that way,

which is incredible because human beings are so diverse and so different. And so why not behave as that type of a person in people's lives day to day? Because I know that's what I needed when I was young, when I was so insecure and so shy and so ashamed of what was going on in my house. And just like insecure and not that big of a guy and not that smart of a guy.

And man, I wish I could go back and hug that little dude and go, man, you're awesome. Everything's going to be okay. It's going to get better. Right? So I just sort of decided with sincerity and truth to be that person in people's lives as often as I can be. And so I just feel like our whole world would be a whole lot better.

Agree. If that were the case. So that is a ritual of mine. What are some of those rituals that you talk about in the book? I love that. I love that. Well, you know, I think one of the issues that I've had with, um, other work on resilience in general, right.

Is that, um, sometimes the other work that I've seen glosses over the real gritty parts of challenge, change, and complexity. It's almost like you start watching a movie at the beginning, fast forward to the last five minutes and then everything's good again. But it's like, well, what happened in that expanse? And so some of this work on resilience, I think,

can feel like, well, we're all baking cupcakes, right? And like, look, do you want sprinkles? And folks are like, yeah, this whole resilience thing doesn't really resonate with me, because it's not real. It's not real. And it's really about getting into the belly of it. And so when we are going to change something about the way that we're living our lives, I think it's helpful to ritualize that or to create a new routine or a new habit.

Right. And one of the things I really tried to do with this book was to not only give the practices and to not only do the inspirational storytelling and to not only tell some stories about my own life, but to really have people walk away with a lot of practical information around, if I'm going to do one thing different, what can I do? Right? So I think the first ritual is people actually asking themselves, right? It's me asking myself, you asking yourself, what is the highest value, one thing different I can do in my life? Biggest needle mover.

Biggest needle mover. And that can be different for each person, right? For one person, it might be, I am going to drink a full glass of water before I have breakfast or drink my coffee in the morning. Right? It's really small. And as you know, when we continue to do the things that we say we're going to do, like you talk in your book about not giving up on yourself, right?

And there's also a sense of self abandonment there that happens when we don't keep promises to ourselves, right? So learning not to abandon ourselves and to make a promise to ourselves that I'm gonna do one high value, one biggest needle mover thing different, and again the word biggest is in quotation marks, that's gonna be different. And again, the word biggest is in quotation marks. That's going to be different for different people. And then decide and stick to that. And don't give up on yourself and don't abandon yourself and just stick with that thing. Right. And so some of those practices, right in the book, like if we look at vulnerability Right vulnerability can be about saying

Where am I gonna go deeper in my relationships? the vulnerability bias tells me if I Share who I am to a greater degree if I allow people To know me and to see me the three L's will occur people won't like me they won't love me, they won't love me, and they might leave. And that is an incredible fear that blocks our vulnerability. So when we look at the vulnerability bias,

square in the eyes and say, you know what? That one thing that I'm gonna do, I'm gonna share one thing each day that feels vulnerable gonna do, I'm gonna share one thing each day that feels vulnerable to me that's going to allow people to see and know me to a greater degree. Hmm. In every interview, if it's a great one, something stands out to me that I didn't think would when I was reading the work to get in, and I just got it from you, which is not to abandon yourself. I've never heard that said before.

Don't abandon yourself. Breaking those promises you make to yourself is abandoning yourself. Not being vulnerable with people is abandoning yourself. Not tapping into your resiliency is abandoning yourself. Not creating new habits and rituals that serve you is abandoning yourself. That is, that's a wow right there.

Do you think of the three C's, anyone is more difficult? Is change the most difficult one? Complexity, change, you know, I'm just thinking through them like, change is a biggie for people. I just like all three C's are major, right? That's why you call them the big three C's. But any one of them more difficult do you think than others?

Or they all just depending on the human being difficult? Yeah, I love that question. I really believe based on my experience that it's contextually driven and that it's driven by the human. Yeah. So sometimes in our lives, we might say, you know what? This would be, I would be fine with this

if it just wasn't so darn complex, right? Like I think about like a health diagnosis, right? It's like, okay, I got it. I've integrated, this is my diagnosis, but darn it if it's not difficult to navigate the healthcare system and to know what to do next and how I wait. Like that's just the complexity is the hardest part. Right. Then we think about losing someone that we love and that change of that Right? Then we think about losing someone that we love and that change of that person being here.

That's a good point. Versus moving on to another place, depending on what people believe about that. That change is tremendously difficult. So I think it depends on the human and I think it also depends on the context. Tell them about Nelson really quick in the book. I want them to finish with a really

example of resiliency that they can remember that maybe they're all kind of You know, you may know this but you may not know this. So do you mind covering that really quick? Yeah, I'd love to and I think this really goes back to what you were also saying about your own Vulnerability and continuing to be on that journey Because I think so often, you know, we look at people that have achieved great things and we think, well, they never had to go through what I went through, you know?

Their path was paved, their spoon was silver, right? And then that can become a reason for why we don't persist. That can become a reason for why we don't persist. That can become a reason for why we don't try one more time. And I think something that's really powerful, and this is gonna pertain to the story, is that success is an answer, failure is an answer. Not trying is a lifetime of not knowing. And so when we think about the story of Nelson, right, he

was the one in his family. He grew up in a rural area. His family was largely illiterate. He had sort of a standoffish relationship with his father, very close with his mother. Then she passed away unexpectedly, which left a huge hole in his heart. He showed a flare for education where no one else in his family had. So he continued to advance and ultimately went to university.

But then he sort of fell in with this crowd, right? That wasn't much approved of, and they were about social action and they were about social change. And so he was expelled from school. And on his way back to his family's home, he got whinge or he got word that his father wanted to straighten the boy out, right? And so his father came up with, you know, I don't know how you feel about this, Ed, but I think this is really what we should be doing

with children that are having difficulties as he was gonna get the boy married, right? Because that solves everything, doesn't it? Right? Not where I would go. So he finds out that he's to be married. And he's like, ah, heck no. So he doesn't go home.

He goes to a neighboring town where he has no resources, no community. And he starts living on the streets. And he becomes an on-again, off-again night watchman. He's got no health insurance. He doesn't have any contacts. He doesn't have any money to his name. So if we just sort of pause that story right there,

and I were to say like, Ed, how hopeful are you feeling about Nelson's prospects? Probably nobody's gonna know who Nelson is. Right? Right. But we said he was the one. We said he was the one. And what this is, is the lesser well-known story of Nelson Mandela.

It's awesome. Right? And this is so powerful, right? Because, and I talk about this on my podcast, right? Like flourish or fold, and it's about the well-known story, or the lesser well-known stories of well-known people. Right? And I think it's, I love that you asked this question

because I think it's so important for us to share the behind the scenes, right? Because otherwise we look at Nelson Mandela and we're like he persevered through prison, he became a global leader, he dismantled apartheid, right? But look at what was happening in the backdrop and in interviews he literally points to his difficult childhood and the adversity that he faced as the things that actually formed him to be able to take on greater and greater challenge

over time. And so, if we think about wrapping up with this story, I think it's important, it's been important for me to remember if I speak from my experience, right? That nobody has a paved path and that behind the scenes, we never really know what's going on.

Right. Most importantly was that you've created your right narrative and Nelson took that story of his life and turned it into a narrative that served him. And that's why your work is so profound. I'm really glad we finished on that. It ties everything together.

This has been a great conversation. We've been doing ads for Tommy John forever. They're my favorite ads to do because I'm a raving fanatic, not just a client, because that's what they have. And I want to pick his brain about that and life in general. So Tom Patterson, welcome to the show. Thanks, Ed. It's an honor. I'm so grateful to be here.

But if someone was to start right now and say, hey, I think I'm gonna become an entrepreneur, this is sort of an open ended question, I wanna become an entrepreneur, but I'm not really totally sure where to start. This thing you said earlier in the interview about solve a problem, that type of thing, do you think everybody is an entrepreneur

or do you think that that's reserved for a certain type of person? That's a great debate. I mean I I think I have a different answer at five-year periods Hmm, I think everybody has a million dollar idea I think some people Are struggle with a discomfort and the uncertainty and being an entrepreneur is all about uncertainty with the discomfort and the uncertainty. And being an entrepreneur is all about uncertainty. You have to be ready to move and pivot and change. And again, I'm gonna go back to sports.

Like sports and being that Roomba vacuum and failing. And I had this coach that said to me, Tom, you're never gonna increase your capacity to grow unless you fail. And if you don't fail, you're gonna be an underachiever in life. So by not failing, you're not reaching your potential. And I think for me, I always got pushed and wanted to drive more and more and more.

And I think seeing entrepreneurs and seeing the type of family and the type of life that they were living, it was really inspiring for me. I wanted more. I wanted to do more. I wanted to travel more. I wanted to be around different personalities. So for me, I think, it's a question our entrepreneurs born or made.

I think for me, it was probably born. I had lawn mowing businesses. Dude, I shoveled sidewalks and snowblowed sidewalks before basketball practice in high school. I would knock on doors and ask to do the mowing for the summer. So I always worked and I was always curious about making, learning ways to make more money.

But I would say for anybody here, I didn't have the perfect network. I didn't go to the perfect school. I didn't have the perfect connections. I didn't get the right internship. It was really people. I have LA cars in Scottsdale when I went to college. I sold cell phones at a kiosk in, you know, Fashion Square Mall in Phoenix, but those people skills

and interacting and understanding how to read nonverbal cues, that EQ part I think really prepared me to be in a position to see the signs or opportunity to start a business. And I think that there was a preparation through my childhood and through things I was involved in that allowed me to see those signs. So, you know, but I didn't grow up in an environment of entrepreneurs. My parents weren't entrepreneurs. And you say this, middle class, I would say we were middle class, maybe at times lower or upper, but middle class is the hardest say we were middle class, maybe at times lower or upper,

but middle class is the hardest one to get out of. It is. And I oftentimes wonder how did I get out or why did I get out? I wouldn't say I don't know if I have the perfect answer. I don't know either in my case. I'm thinking about it. I'm thinking of listening to you. You said some more real brilliant stuff that I want to unpack there.

But like I think, like my dad wasn't an entrepreneur. I don't know any entrepreneurs in my family. My grandfather worked in a union, right? My grandfather was a printer. So, what does this come from? I remember when I was a little boy, I used to sell sodas at the golf course and candy bars through the fence.

I had that little business when I was young. Then I had a baseball card business. Then I had an auto detailing business. So somehow as a little guy, I was young. Then I had a baseball card business, then I had an auto detailing business. So somehow as a little guy, I was experimenting with being an entrepreneur and wanting to make money and wanting to expand. And then one thing I always had, and I think you have too, I've always been fascinated with growth.

And I think sports, to your point, sports gave me that competitive thing you talked about earlier. Sports gave me and you both the ability to deal with and accept failure almost like, of course I'm gonna strike out, I'm gonna get out seven out of 10 times. Of course you're gonna miss a jump shot, right?

You always miss something, right? Of course I'm gonna drop a pass or, you know, so I think that helped. But you said something earlier, man, that I have never thought of before, which is this notion, I'll probably say it wrong, but that to be successful, you actually have to become comfortable being uncomfortable.

But then you said the reverse, and it describes me very well and you, I'm uncomfortable being comfortable now. I got all the way the other way. My problem is not being comfortable being uncomfortable. My problem is I'm uncomfortable being comfortable. Or content. Yes. Yes.

Yeah. And I think that, it's like, man, I want that to be on some speech I give because that's a really profound thing that you just said right there and super describes me. What was the, what's a hidden huge benefit? I ask hard stuff. What's a hidden huge benefit of making your dream come true? Most people wouldn't know about. Forget just the wealth or you could travel

I mean he could live anywhere in the world's dude lives in south dakota like so he's not like You know, so what's it? What's no offense to south dakota some of my really good friends are there but it's not i invited you You'll there's parts you'll like there are parts i'd like but i'm not going that I can tell you right now I will not be there in january, but I will go there with you But but and especially the golf place that you described. We need to go do that. Having said that though, what's a little,

give us all, you know, what's a little thing that happens, and I'll give you mine after you give me yours, that you didn't think would be cool about making your dream come true that now is? I think, you know, there's, I'm still always surprised about how many people are aware of the brand. Gosh, it's so huge.

It still blows my mind, blows our mind that people are so familiar with it and wear it. And the types of people that we meet that are wearing it, that have not met us, that didn't know our brand values or beliefs and just found the product, it's connected.

And it's just, one, it creates a lot of fun conversations, which we've had of just the underwear category by nature. But it's got us in a lot of rooms that I would have only dreamt of being in. And it's one thing to get in the room, but it's another thing to stay in the room. And I think there's, Jim talked about this where we were, like everybody in this room fought to get in this room.

Right? Jim Roem. Yeah, Jim Roem. There's this mutual respect for some of the rooms because a lot of people don't understand what it took or the sacrifices that were made to get in there. And it's like, man, it's not lonely. There's other people that have been here.

Yes. Right, and I think when you're running a business it's really lonely. There's not a plan. There's not a playbook. And for me, that's been one of the most exciting things to meet, honestly, like you, meeting your heroes, meeting people that have impacted you in so many ways

and just not it being awkward. My grandpa taught me, he's like, treat everybody the same, whether it's the front desk receptionist, the janitor, they're all people at the end of the day. And I think for me, one of the gifts I've realized I have is I'm not intimidated by people, but I have a lot of respect for people. And people are like, how is you get to this level

that you're at? I'm like, I've never been scared to ask questions. I've never been scared to send Kevin Hart some product and talk to him on the phone. At the end of the day, there are real people that wanted to be treated just like anybody else. Nothing makes you more uncomfortable than being treated like you're this fanning out.

And I think being around people and just getting to know them, who they are behind closed doors, there's been, I think, one of the really cool, exciting things about building a business, but it wasn't the intent. That's just, I think, one of the really cool, exciting things about building a business, but it wasn't the intent. That's just, I think, a side surprise benefit of it. By the way, I think you're right about that. And the thing is, is that I think

what everybody I want everyone to hear, and the reason I asked you the question is, there's lots of side benefits, to use your term, to making your dream come true that you can't imagine right now. And there will be lots of things. There'll be an experience or a moment, or I think for me, it's all the stuff I didn't calculate as I was doing it

because I think when you have a dream you kind of picture you in the dream but for me it was when I got to the other side of it and live it now it's all the things I never dreamt of doing for other people or moments I could be there for somebody when they need me that I didn't calculate that and if you would have told me back then the reason I want't calculate that. And if you would have told me back then, the reason I want everyone to hear this is, if you would have told me back then that you'd be able to do this, that,

or the other thing for another person, I'd have worked even harder. I'd have taken more hits. I'd have gone through more pain if I knew that the dream wasn't just about me, but it's about all these other people, these lives you can affect and you can impact in small and big ways.

If I'd have known all that was gonna come with the package you're winning, I'd have gone for it even harder and faster. I'd have gone bigger. I'd have done more. So there's, I want everyone to know this, there's more that comes with making a dream come true than you can even possibly imagine. And as good as you think it's gonna be,

in many ways, it's a thousand million times better, but maybe not even in the way, like having lots of money It's cool, right? But it's probably I don't think it's quite as cool as I thought it was gonna not being broke is super cool Right, but being super rich I don't it's not quite as cool as I thought it would be but other parts that come with it are for me Is that the same for you?

Yeah, I think once you're you've been poor and struggled, you want to do everything possible not to be there again. Yeah. Right. But I think you brought up a good point. It's something I want to talk to you a lot more about after this is this success, this significance transition that you've made, right?

Had you made that earlier, right? I think as you go on, how do you make sure you're impacting others? And I think they always say the people that you can help you price of this, the people you can help the most are the ones who are walking through the path that you walk through. Yes. And I think if there's one person I can reach today or 10 people, or you can send this to someone that has a story that resonates

with what we're talking about, that's really what people want to hear. And I think anybody that's listening, that's the beauty about podcasts and YouTube today. They're like these master classes and like blinkest, cliff notes on the stories. And I think a lot of people get caught up, oh, I read this one, I heard this one, I listened to this one, but they're not taking any action.

And the hardest part is people know what to do. The hardest part, I think, I keep seeing is just getting started. Yeah. Well, how do it this way. How do they do that? Let's talk about that for a second. Because you're right.

Like if I could figure that out, we'd have way more millionaires, way better marriages, way more parents raising wonderful kids, whatever it might be in life, way more people creating cures for diseases. What is that thing that got, like you just started. Like if we go all the way back to the beginning, I'm thinking to myself, this dude has no fashion background. He's walking around selling these medical devices.

All of a sudden he wakes up and goes, I think we should have better undergarments. Like what the, and then you go to the fashion district and I know where that place is. That's not the most comfortable place to go. You make a couple freaking shirts with the Donald Duck thing on there and now you're sitting in my studio

with a brand that everyone that's listening to my show has heard of before. There's gotta be a part of this, on the spinning earth, your existence on 2008, the dude you were, flash forward 15 years later, whoo, bam, it's gotta be unbelievable to you, but you did get started, right? Do you think it's because you were naive

and you didn't know how hard it was gonna be? What do you think it was that got you started that holds other people back? Is it they wanna be perfect? Like what is it? I just didn't wanna play it safe. You know, I wanted to play it big and go big or go home. And for me, I wanted to take a big swing

and see if I could do it. I like getting out of my comfort zone and doing uncomfortable things. So I think when we started, that was really the mindset really to do it. But I don't know, I think everybody's different. I think this uncertainty or how it's going to be perceived or I don't want to live a life

and like downsize and go from two cars to one car. But if you're not comparing yourself to the others, like the keeping up with the Joneses mentality, like I don't know anybody that's made it that didn't struggle. It didn't go through the tough times and there are very, I think more exceptions than aren't. So I think for us that was really just the mindset that we had. One of the things that I think is the most important things as it relates to winning and it's one of the things that you can decide you're going to do without any natural giftedness

because it's the number one talent you must develop in order to win. And it's not talked about on social media. You're not not gonna get it in a personal development tape and a peak performance program, self-help and any of it. Remember this, the best ability is availability. Did you hear that? The best ability is availability, that you are available to win. Not enough people understand

that this is an actual skill and talent. Most people in business or in life, whether it be relationships or the financial part of their life, they're always looking for these little tips and skills that you should develop. How to communicate better, how to be a better listener, how to suppress your ego, how to influence people, how to transfer energy, all these things that I teach, how to deal with failure. But I believe the greatest talent that you can draw a line through all the people who have

won, not all the people that win in business or life are unbelievable transfers of energy. Not all of them can close. Not all of them can persuade. Not all of them are great listeners. Not all of them even dealt well with adversity. They did that the majority of the time. But all of them have in common, they develop the talent,

and yes, it is a talent, it is a skill of not quitting. I don't think most of you right now that are struggling in your business life right now are giving yourself enough credit for this incredible talent you're developing, which is resiliency, which is the ability not to quit. Listen to what I'm telling you, if somebody has built multiple different companies,

I've coached some of the top athletes, entertainers, business people, and politicians in the world, and I'm telling you that even in my own team when I hire people, I look for resiliency resiliency and a notch above that is the talent is the skill of not quitting as the number one thing that I look for and many of you right now listening to this possess the number one skill necessary to win and don't give yourself any credit for it which means it's not helping build your confidence it's not going to the bank of crediting for your identity, and so although you possess this incredible ability that so

many people in the world don't have and don't possess, you have it and you don't value it, you don't prize it, you don't give yourself credit for having it. It ought to be where you draw the majority of your confidence from. The ability to say, I don't quit, I'm resilient, I own the number one skill, the number one talent required to eventually win, I already have, I can't quit, you'd have to kill me to get me out of chasing my dream, right? So number one, I want to point it out as the number one gift. The best ability is availability. Do you have it? Have you decided to have it? Is it something you're gonna possess the

rest of your life? And those of you that do have it already I need you to take an inventory be aware of it and be intentional with Crediting yourself as you're listening to this or watching it today Into the bank of your self-confidence into the bank into the deposits you make in your identity Because it has everything to do with winning every guest you've seen on my show all the people that I've coached I'll have different talent skills and abilities. What's the one they all have? The ability to stay present, the ability to stay in the fight, to have not quit. You'd think, well that's not a big deal. Really? Because as I've been talking,

millions of people made the decision to quit on their dream, just as I've been talking to you. The rest of the day, millions more will. Tomorrow, millions more. Every day, literally millions of people quit on one of their dreams, just as I've been talking to you. The rest of the day millions more will. Tomorrow millions more. Every day literally millions of people quit on one of their dreams, their dream relationship, their dream business, their dream body. So quitting has become the number one habit in the world by people that end up losing. And I'm telling you it happens every day, every second, everywhere. Just the fact that while I've been speaking you're still after your dream, you're ahead of them. You don't give yourself enough credit because eventually what I found, it looks like winning

is this huge competition, but every day, every week, every year, every decade as time goes by, you're going to find that you're competing with a smaller and smaller and smaller group of people for your dream because so many of them will just quit. And by the way, many of them that quit will possess talents, maybe even gifts you don't have. Their incredible ability with people, their incredible strength, their incredible brain, and they'll quit with all this giftedness, but you got the talent. You have to learn to distinguish between something that is a talent and a gift.

You can develop skills, you can develop talents. Gifts are something you're born with, but the people that I see that win long term are the ones who develop the talents and skills required to win. Business and life's a lot like a piñata. You know, I was at a barbecue, a birthday party for a five-year-old a while back and they did a piñata. I've never seen the piñata before and it's an unbelievable metaphor for life. In fact, we had a call today that life is like a pinata, because it really is. If you look at these kids at these parties, any of you that ever been to a pinata, you can picture it. They got the pinata up there. What do they do? It's just like in business

and life when you start something new, a new relationship, a new body, a new pursuit, a new business, right? What do they do? They take this little five-year-old and they blindfold him. They blindfold this little guy, right? And he can't see. He doesn't know where he's going. And then they spin him around. He gets completely disoriented, right? And then they hand him a bat. It's scary when you watch it, don't you? Picture these little kids, right? You blindfold them. They spin him around. They become disoriented. Does that sound familiar to any of you that are trying to build a business right now? You're completely disoriented. You're blind. You don't know where to go. They spin this little guy around. They hand him a bat,

and they go, hit the pinata. And the pinata's over to the right, and they're swinging to the left, they're just whiffing, right? They're not even in the right direction. And then finally, what do you do? You grab the little guy, or the little girl, and you turn them, and you have them face the pinata.

They were completely disoriented. In fact, they were doing more damage to the people around them in the beginning with that darn bat you gave them because they're so disoriented. A lot of damage was done before they even faced the actual pinata. They've been blindfolded and spun around, right? They're completely disoriented. Doesn't that sound familiar?

It's just like building your new business. It's just like trying to transform your body. It might be just like this brand new relationship you've got. And in fact, the people around them are in danger in the beginning when you give these little guys this bat. Maybe that sounds familiar. Maybe right now you're at this stage in your business or you've been there before where there's been more damage done than there's been progress. You know what I'm talking about? The people around you have been more hurt by your new venture than benefited from it. Your relationship

with them is not as good. Maybe financially you've hurt them or feel like you have. There's been a lot of damage. But what do we do with these little guys? We eventually take the little girl or little boy and we point them in the right direction at the piñata. That's when you find Ed Milett's podcast, you find his teachings, you find his YouTube channel or someone like me and I can point you in the right direction. And then one of these guys, they take the bat and they're hitting the piñata as hard

as they can and they're hitting it and they're hitting it and they're Hitting it and no candy comes out and they get tired. Don't they and they just they can't go anymore So what do you do you get help and you add a teammate you add a friend you take the blindfold off of you and you Get a little help that help could be a new recruit in your business a new employee a new vendor It might be a new mentor and we put the blindfold on them, we spin them around and then they're disoriented, they're swinging and they're not even hitting the piñata yet, they're hurting the people around them. Then what do we do? We take them, we point them in the right direction, now they're following my show or great teachings.

And they hit the piñata as hard as they can. No candy comes out. You take another child, new teammate, new recruit in life, right? But then the piñata says, another child, you put a blindfold, spin them around, and they hit the piñata, and they're hitting it as hard as they can, and it feels like no progress is being made. No candy's coming out, right? And then eventually they're kicking it and hitting it, and they get tired.

And you think, man, how often they hit this piñata? What happens is sometimes the first few kids who hit the piñata, they kind of disappear from the party and start playing somewhere else. Maybe you've had that experience in your business. Some of the people you start with, they may not finish before the candy comes out. They may not be there. May not be there to celebrate.

Some of the initial people disappear and that could cause you to want to quit. But eventually what happens with that piñata, even though these kids are hitting the piñata and they're teaming up, they're all working together to try to make this candy come out, it doesn't look like it, but each shot on that pinata is putting them closer to the candy.

Even though it doesn't seem like it, even though you can't see the candy, every blow is like a compound pounding effect. That pounding, compounded by multiple people, eventually can create a breakthrough. But what most people do is they leave the party before the candy comes out. That's true in business. Most people quit before the candy comes out. They don't stick around long enough. They got spun around. They get disoriented. They might hurt the people around. They get pointed in the right direction. They think they're making progress, then they don't. They think they're making progress, then they don't. And eventually,

because no candy's coming out, no money, no change body, no amazing relationship, they stop swinging the bat at the pinata. But if you stick around for the party long enough, you know what always happens with a pinata? Eventually someone hits it and bam, the candy comes out everywhere and everyone celebrates and gets all the candy and dives on it and celebrates Here's what I'm here to remind you of today You got to stick around long enough for the candy to come out You got to wait for the candy to come out of that pinata called your life called your business called your body called your relationships

The vast majority of people in life don't stick around for the candy Because they think as they're hitting the pinata of their life, they don't think they're making progress. It doesn't feel like progress. But I'm telling you, the number one ability is availability. And if you keep swinging away every day, even though it doesn't feel like it, you are getting closer to the candy. You're getting closer, it just doesn't feel like it.

You know what I had? I had the ability to keep hitting the piñata in my life to stick around long enough. And by the way, when you eventually win, it's not just you that gets all the candy, that gets all the victory, that gets all the money. Lots of people around you, many of which who you were hurting originally with that bat, many of them who were trying to talk you out of it, they get to celebrate in the candy too. My prayer for you is that you begin to think about this analogy. The pinata of your life, the pinata of your business, the pinata of your body, as you're swinging away, I'm here to tell you, even though it doesn't feel like it, you're getting closer to the candy. And

if you can add more people to celebrate, it's okay that you feel disoriented. It's okay that it feels blinding and you don't know exactly what direction to go Just like these precious babies with the pinata. It's okay that you miss it once in a while It's okay that you get tired once in a while But as long as you keep after it you keep pounding away that compound effort of your pounding I can promise you there's candy someday and everybody around you will jump on it and celebrate That's my wish for you today, as you listen to me, of all the skills I'm gonna teach you,

that I've taught you, and if you've not listened to my other shows, I teach about listening, transfer energy, how to close, how to change your identity, how to live blissfully dissatisfied, how to unlock your success code, all of the very detailed things I teach. Today is the most important thing,

is that as you learn all these skills, it'll help you with the blindness. Every single skill you learn, you'll see clearer and clearer and clearer. But if you don't develop the talent, the number one skill in the world, which is to keep hitting the pinata and to stick around until the candy comes out,

because here's the deal, someone's gonna get the candy in life. There's always candy in life. That piñata eventually always breaks down. Do you want to be the person who was there in the beginning hitting as hard as you could and sacrificing and maybe hurting the people around you and never get the candy? Or are you gonna get something for your pain? Are you gonna get something for your effort? Are you gonna get something for this sacrifice you're making? You got to get something for this pain You got to stick in the game until the candy comes out and then we all get to celebrate

That's what I want you focused on today I promise you there's a pinata in your life and right now many of you feel blind and disoriented Maybe even hurting the people around you some of you are past that phase and you're hitting your thing hard every day But there's no candy yet. I promise you there's gonna to be a payoff for you and that's my message for you today. This is the Enmylo Charm.