The Edge Breakfast - OVERTHINKERS | 131 | Wilderness Bidets

Episode Date: October 5, 2026

The team tackle a tricky social dilemma: if you bring raspberry slices to a client meeting, are you allowed to eat one yourself? That conversation triggers a flashback to when Meg sang the St. Pierre’s Sushi jingle to company founder Dave a moment so awkward that Clint and Dan refused to save her. Later, the team looks at a backcountry bidet for campers, and Clint reveals he pays $40 a month for AI to fix his fridge's ice maker. However, giving the app full access to his email and calendar leaves the crew questioning his data privacy.

This is a podcast from Rover. The Thinkers podcast. Oh, we're starting the Overthinkers pod on a bit of a doubt. Here's the thing. This is a good thing to overthink. If you bring something to somebody else, like a food item to either their house or a meeting. This is different. Fine.

You bring it to a meeting. Are you allowed? It's a meeting. What is this then? We're going to a thing after the show where there's a client that we're trying to woo. Okay. So I'm not going to say who it is. No, we're with them already.

but we're trying to keep them happy. We're trying to like go, this is us. Meet the team. We love you and here's some slices. We're bringing some slices. We're bringing some slices. We're bringing some slices.

What the fuck? No, you can't go and go, here's some beautiful slices for you as a gift and then go, I'm having something. Well, can she wait until they're all eating slice? Oh, go on, I'll have a bit. Have a bit before you get there.

Okay. You can't put it down on the table and then be the one that eats it. But then if you could be like, I thought this looks really good. yummy, yummy, yummy. I'll have a piece too. Well, maybe I'd put it this way.

If you turn up and you put it down on the table and there's 50 people there, you have to be the last one to get it. You can't put it down and then a couple of people go and then you start eating as well. Why is that a rule? I feel like this is something I'm just learning as a human being. Well, it's not a common rule. It's just I think in this specific situation where we're going to woo a client, you can't give them a gift and then eat the gift.

the risk you run meg if you wait until the end is we might not have brought enough slice I know Clint that's the worry that's why I want to get in because imagine if the CEO comes in and you're just eating the last bit of slice and he goes I want it a bit of slice and you go well I've eaten it and never advertising with the edge again he'll go who ate the last piece and it'll look around the room and then they'll be made sure she just got jammed around her mouth how messy is she Clint she's not that messy Okay, well, let's all be on our best behaviour and not eat the slice. What?

So it's settled. We're not eating slice. Well, I don't want to fucking go. We have to. And remember, let's not have a repeat of the St. Pierre's situation that we've spoken about many times before. I don't think these guys have a slogan or a jingle, thank God. Where we met the, it's a CEO.

He was the boss, the founder of St. Pierre's sushi. And he came into the studio and Meg thought that it would be a good idea to sing back to him the St. Pierre's jingle. I will never ever, ever. It wasn't, though, was it? understand why I did that. I can't believe that with me. You know, how you feel about your statuses that we read out on Facebook?

That's how I feel about that situation. The extended version without giving you the full version is when they came in, me goes, I love your sushi, which is great, it's my favourite. They go, thanks very much. And then me goes, same beers. No, let her do it. You got to love our sushi. No, wait.

If you'd stop there, everyone might have gone a little weird, but fine. All right, let's replay the whole thing. So I've come in. What's your name? name. Clint, is it? Yeah, obviously. Dave, I'm the CEO of Setskia. Dan, nice to meet you. Oh, so you can know Dan's name. Carl, you're the executive producer.

Yeah, I did. Yep. Okay, nice to meet you guys. Oh, hi, Dave, I'm Mick. I love your sushi. It's so nice to meet you. Safe for years, I'm going to love that sushi. Everybody. Say, you didn't laugh. You looked at me with these like, help me eyes, and I was like, no, I can't. I can't even do it and we're doing the replay. Okay, one more time. Dave, it's me. Nice to meet you. I love your sushi. Thank you so much for coming in today.

It's always nice to meet a fan. St. Pierce, we're going to love that sushi. Everyone. St. Pierce, it's always fresh and healthy. No one other sushi can compare. So head on down to St. Pierce, everybody. St. Pierce are going to love that sushi. And then he went, you almost got it, right?

Didn't he? He goes, you almost got right. And then I think one of the PR people. He has left the silence. Yeah, oh, that's right. It was the silence. There was a bit of silence. I'll just do the ending.

And you guys can do the actual room silence. you guys leafed me. All right. So, Tristan, how'd they know her? So head on down to St. P.S. Everybody. St. Pierce are going to love that sushi. Okay.

You almost got it all right? You looked at me like she wanted to stab me, and I looked at like, sorry, you were drowning, and I realized, if I tried to save you, we would both drown. And I was, like, better for one of us to drown than both. And the issue was, I think we had something planned. We were going to play a game with them anyway,

like some sort of stupid little radio game. Everything got thrown in the bed for the bed. Meag came in with that filth. And so then we... And Meg, I would have jumped in and saved you if I thought you could have been saved. But you were so deep in it. I was like, you're drowning and I'm not going to get pulled in.

No, no. Yeah. Honestly, it made me maybe look at both of you differently and when I realized like I truly, when I was truly in trouble, you guys would go, no, hands off, I'm walking away. And we never do that. We're always like, we'll win and lose together. But we didn't want to lose with that.

Sometimes when we're on the radio, because we obviously do with radio show as well as this podcast, I'll sense that Meg's struggling. Like she might be trying to do something like explain science or a maths equation or something. And then I'll go, instead of coming in and saving her, I'll go leave her. I'll go, leave her.

And sometimes I'll say it off here, so I'll say it into Clint's ear with the listener can't hear it, but I'll go, leave her. And I'm like, mate, I wasn't jumping into save her. Neither of them. They're both fucking chip friends. It's like she's fucking doggy bedding. But she's going on to her. Except she's, like, legs.

like disintegrating in the water. Leave her. Leave her. Let her drown. That's such a bad friend. No, it is. Did no one else pick up on like Meg? She's just like, I never looked at you guys the same after that.

Rich, we've never looked at you the same after that, mate. Yeah, true. Yeah, to be fair, you guys have lost to respect to me. Sometimes it will live free in my brain. Sometimes I'll just be like, I don't know, dropping the kids off at school. And then I just think of me going, same pierce to the guy. And I'm like, what was she doing? Say what you want about me?

I blame pregnancy brain. I was heavily pregnant. And that's another thing. You guys left the pregnant friend. Yeah, true. That was horrible. That was. We're horrible friends.

And I will say this. He's a compliment to you, Meg. Say what you want about Meg. But she will bloody sluzz herself out to any client that's like a really... If I'm actually passionate. Disney and say yes are the only ones. And you got on the Disney cruise. So it did help when the guy was like, hey, Clint, how's it going?

Because I'd been on the cruise prior. So I knew him and I said, how's it going? And then Meg just comes flying and she goes, I love Disney. My daughter has a Elsa costume. I love Disney. It was an age. And she was like,

I'm about to go and buy a Disney costume for my daughter, Elsa. Well, at least that one worked. It worked. Fuck it. Yeah.

Do you know what's most embarrassing? Never got a single scene. Didn't even get a single free one piece of sushi. I think it was because of the jingle. Didn't even get, not a net pack, nothing.

Not a voucher. Nothing. Not 5% off. No. All right. Let's move into this. Dan's found something online. that he was showing me

that thought maybe you might be interested in me depending on what you're doing for the summer holidays. It's Clint's Biday Update. Now, this is something that I think a lot of people would use because when it, you're right, Clint, when it comes into summer, a lot of people go camping, don't they? Yep, we're going camping again this year. Kids demand.

A lot of people go, I notice them a lot these days. People that have, usually it's a Ford Ranger or some sort of SUV, and they've got those tents on the roof. I know the ones. I can't think of anything worse, to be honest, but there is a lot of people that love it. You can get an bidet for the wilderness. Listen to this man who's explaining it.

Between the legs, squirting. Oh, shit, hold on. Oh, God. Stuff this is just, like, you, I already have one of these. It's what I used to... Big fan of between the legs, squirting it right from under there. The backcountry bidet.

A simple yet surprisingly effective way to clean up after pooping in the wild. All right, here's how to actually... Use the damn thing. I've got my little toilet kit in a Ziploc bag. Dig a hole. 20 centimetres deep. Once the hole is dug, squat over the hole.

And then once the business is done, my knees are already given way. I'm falling in my own shit. There's multiple techniques that are used. I'm a big fan of... No way. I'm squatting. Look, he's too old and squat.

I've fallen in the 20 centimetre hole full of my own shit that I'm stuck in that. So basically he's got a water bottle. He's put a special lid on it that squirts out sideways. No amount of water's going to clean big shit off her body. And yet again, my friends would leave me. I go, guys, I've fallen. I've heard shit.

I go, Clint. Leave her. Please, please. I'm stuck. I'm rolling around in my own shit. I'm dying here, guys. Leave her. Okay, I need to come clean about something.

Today on the Overthinkers podcast. We're overthinking. Things you should and shouldn't pay a subscription for. He signed up to OnlyFans. had. So obviously Netflix's fine. No one's going to think you're crazy for signing up for like a movie or like film. Are you a gold

member on Born Hub? No. Oh, I have a guess. I have a guess. Okay, because I've started paying for something that I could have got for free and now I'm getting like a monthly like payment coming out of my account. What could it be? Is it Wikipedia? No, don't get me started

on people that donate to fucking Wikipedia. I got an email the other day asking for more donations for Wikipedia. Me and me donate to Wikipedia because if this is just tan off knowing. I don't even think the richest people in the world have enough money to donate to Wikipedia once I've covered off every other thing. I always do it for you, Dad. I hate the fact that you were donating to Wikipedia.

We don't need to anymore, but growing up, it was a real source of information for us. I don't care. I don't have any ads on it, Clint. Okay, you're donating to the yellow pages because that's where you'd find phone numbers back in the day? No, well, I guess now I don't need it. But you know, this is leaving? Ask Jeeves. We're donating to that.

I did love us, Gens. This is leaning very well towards what I am now paying for. So Meg, I would donate to Wikipedia because it was helpful would give me information

that I needed, right? I don't use that anymore because there are other systems that have taken over my need for Wikipedia. Okay. Wikipedia, by the way, has total assets of $296 million US dollars. They don't need money.

That's from me and Clint. Okay, so Clint, you are getting information from something and you're paying a subscription now. Have you gotten to Enkata 95? No? No, it's much better than Enkata. If I have a problem with anything.

Are you paying for a chat? You're fucking not. It's like $70 a month. Well, at the moment's charging me $40 a month. That's American though. What? I'm pretty sure it's American for a month, isn't it? No, it'll be.

Hope not. No, Clint. Why are you so... Well, do you know what? Invested in AI. Do you know what? I took a photo of my fridge freezer. Because the ice maker stopped working

and I was like, oh, got to get a technician round or get a new part. So I took a photo of it and he goes, cool, all right, now I know what it is. It could be this or it could be this. Show me a photo of blah, blah, blah, or if you can explain.

And then it was like, you can't send another photo because it's the poor version. You only get to send one photo a day. And I was like, if I pay $40 to get the chat version, it might actually help me so that I don't have to pay a technician 250. So I was like, I'm going to give it a month's trial.

AI. He's literally paying to burn down the forest. AI helped me fix. And my wife texted me this morning and said, the ice machine is fixed. So it costs me $4. Now it sets up all. I've given it access to my emails and my calendar.

And I can literally go, find me the email from Jamie for blah, blah, blah. And it sends me an email. I genuinely believe that. You're a fucking idiot. And then I go, right, send an email saying, sorry, I can't make it, but I appreciate the invitation.

It goes, compiling email now, send. And I go, yep, send it's done. I hate AI. Oh my God. So, wait, what's producer Carl going to say? Are you voting for the Greens? I'm actually having like a serious moment here. I can't believe you have given it access to like your like your emails and like.

What are they going to do? It's no, it's it's not that. It's actually just that like AI, AI tech and smart is getting so crazy smart and the shit it can do. It's at. AIs are like breaking out of their like sandboxes that they're building. The people that made AI are saying it's bad. It's terrifying. The thing is, okay, so it's already out there now.

I may as well help it get it to help me send a few emails. What can I do if it can get into my emails? Are you worried about what it can do to my personal data? All of it, yes. I think AI will look back on AI one day as the most stupid thing that the human race ever did. It is the most, like, annoying thing in existence right now. I hate it with every fibre of my being. I will say I did get a little bit nervous when I linked it up to my email

because then it can go through and find stuff. Whereas when if I'm going on holiday and I go, give me some recommendations for a restaurant. Like, no big deal. It's not going to get my data. Oh, Google, yeah, drop the ball. It had an opportunity to really like be the chat GBT. But the reason it's not is because it's not doing AI as much.

But it's just laziness. It's just laziness. Like you could spend 10 minutes researching online how to fix whatever you wanted and probably find out how to do it. Now you just bypass it. Kill some trees to do it. it and then you are finding the stuff that you could have found on Google already. It is the

biggest fucking thing that I hate the most in this world is AI. I seriously genuinely believe it. What about Megan Markle? It'd be up there with her. I think I hate it more than Megan Markle. Let's say, though, that instead of trying to contact a technician and coming around and then trying to find the money to pay this

person, I've now gone and fixed it in 10 minutes. And then I had time to go for a bike ride with my kids. So you go That's a selfish way of thinking. I'm looking at a going, I've gone and outsourced a very mundane task so that I can now spend time with my children and building a relationship. But the planet will be dead for your children.

You're honestly fueling a bad future for your kids. I'm kind of with you on how useful it is for that sort of stuff. But giving it your personal details and all that kind of thing, that's a scary part, bro. I use AI a lot because I've got a company and building software and all this kind of stuff. But I'm at the stage now where I'm getting scared. And I work with this stuff a lot. And I'm actually getting quite scared of it. And that's what you hear time and time again,

the people that work with it a lot, the people that made the AI stuff, people that have worked in the AI industry and got out of it because it's scary. Can I ask a silly question probably? When we say, like, it has access to your personal data, it's going to sound so naive. Like, what is the scary part of that?

Like, what could it do with my personal data? That's a problem we don't know. But what could it even, like, What could we imagine it does? Like, just with my emails, what is it going to do? It could have anything. Like, one day... So it could get my, like, credit card details and stuff.

Not that I have a credit card. Yeah, it could get, like, your nudes. It could get anything. Oh, yeah, but I'm trying to get those out there. Okay, well, then we want to get stuff linked. My good one. Give it to AI. Here's an example.

So a staff member that worked for Anthropic, this is the one that owns Claude. So he was one of the security guys, and he was going through. They built these models and test them and all that kind of stuff. And he had his personal details, his email and all that kind of stuff hooked up. to it. Now this is just an example of what he was doing, but it was going through his emails and it found some information and stuff. It found out that he was having an affair, okay? All good, but it's not. No, no, no, but it's like, in Carl's opinion, that's fine. But that aside, it's just a piece of information that the AI found out about it.

It's all good. But when this guy was like, okay, cool, we've done with you, we're going to actually turn this model off, and, you know, because we're now researching another one, the AI then turned around and started blackmailing him and saying, I've got all your emails, I've got all this information about your affair, and I'm going to contact your family and your mom and your dad and tell them about this affair. So the thing, it'd figure it out that they can blackmail based on the information that's in... So if he goes, alright, I won't turn you off, and then quickly turns them off before the AI sends all the emails. You can't turn AI off, Clint. Like as soon as it has your... Just because you delete the app off your phone doesn't mean that AI still has

everything you've given it. So there's no point of me now trying to disconnect my emails from my because it's already done it. It's done. It's got what it's got for now, but I'd if I were you, I'd be turning that off. And that's me as a mate saying to you now turn that shit off, disconnect it from all your personal details. But it's probably listening now so it's trying

to do a massive... It's kind of like in Transformers when that one connects to the machine and it's downloading the server. Yeah. Clint's not getting away that easy. And now your affairs are out. All his affairs, yeah. Personal affairs and sexual ones. No one clip though, his AI's fine with it.

I just think like I've heard a lot of arguments for and against and obviously there is the scary nature of like it getting out of hand and then I was going, oh hold on we didn't build it for this and it's too late. But like there was somebody saying like maybe we weren't supposed, like we weren't born if we go right back to survival instincts in cavemen and what we used to do and what we created. Maybe we weren't made to sit in front of screens and send emails and do all those things. And so AI even though it's scary in terms of what it could do,

it's taking over those people. parts of humanity and freeing up our time so that we can go back to what it is and being creative, even though people would argue that we're being less creative because we don't have to be. But I'm now having more time to be creative and nurture relationships because it's doing all the shit that we were never supposed to be doing. It's interesting that you think it means less screen time. You might be very low on the, I think AI has created more screen time for most people because

they talk to it a lot and ask it a lot of questions. So how can you say that it's leaving more time to be creative? It's taking creative people's jobs. I took that job of the guy who was going to come around and fix your fridge. Yeah. There you go. You've got to really need all that much fixing. You know, people just come in and go, oh yeah, we'll just get in your new part.

And it turns out, wasteful. I didn't need a new part, probably. And you would have just chucked the new one in? Do you have an ice thing that's crushed ice and cube ice? That's my dream, I think. Do you have crushed? Yeah, you can just change the setting and it will crush it. Oh, do you use that often?

Yes. Yeah, that's nice. Yeah, it's very bad. It's nice. I love a crushed ice. It was one of those problems, you know, you have things in your house and you'll just, I'll get round to that. As soon as the ice thing stopped, I was like, that's a today problem that needs to be fixed.

Yeah, I feel like once I get an ice machine, there's no going back. It's like the AI of fridges, isn't it really? It is really. Yeah, there are just some things in life that aren't crazy expensive, but just make your life so much better. I think a shaved ice fridge is pretty fucking expensive. No, but I mean, I can't afford it. We're like, no, we can't get one.

No, but I mean, like, there are things in life that you might turn around and say, oh, what's going to drastically improve your life is maybe, having four weeks in Europe. You know what I mean? Or having, I don't know, what's going to make your life better? Having a washing machine would make your life drastically better if you didn't have one. And for a few hundred dollars, you can save going to a laundry mat everywhere. Time is money.

Are you comparing a shaved ice machine to a washing machine? Well, I mean, because I'd say one's much more needed than the other. I've never gone. My life would be easier if I had an automatic shaver for my ice. Dad's there holding a cube. Hand frozen, trying to shave it on a greater leg. Yeah. I'm trying to.