The Edge Breakfast - OVERTHINKERS Would you die early for a million bucks?
Episode Date: May 10, 2026We’re spiraling over what our lives are actually worth. Would you shave a year off your clock for a million bucks? Clint’s got a specific "retirement" number that’s borderline offens...ive, Dan’s planning his life as a dangerous billionaire, and we unpack an influencer’s absolute DM meltdown. It gets deep, messy, and very expensive. 00:00 – The $1 Million button: Trading life for cash 01:50 – Clint’s weird premonition about dying at 62 03:05 – Dan’s toast break and the $10 Million "Job Quitting" number 04:25 – The Teleportation Gamble: Instant death or $10 Million? 05:50 – Dan’s secret spot in the Kaimai Ranges 07:45 – If Dan was a billionaire: Paying Meg to fart in the boss’s face 09:30 – James Charles' influencer meltdown: "No bitch, get a job" 11:55 – Clint’s sponsor child Ali-Ali Jumma and the "Goat" charity gift
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This is a podcast from Rover.
This is the Overthinkers podcast.
Yota, welcome.
Should be well rested off the back of a weekend if you listen to us in real time on Monday.
Come me and Dan, with you?
Honestly, I hope the video's got that because as soon as we started, Dad's balking me.
No, I wasn't.
I gave her the thumbs up.
She said she's got some content.
I gave her a thumbs up going, good on you, Meg.
Pull in a face.
I know that we can count on you.
I went like that.
Okay.
Before that, that look condescending.
A little bit.
Oh, sorry that my face.
I've got a little bit of a condescending face.
I can't help it.
He does have a condescending face.
You know what?
Because I know this is filmed.
But because Dan's not saying anything,
I don't think it will necessarily auto-cut to his camera.
We need it to have like three panels at all time.
It's the perfect crime.
I think your heavy breath then will make it clip back here.
What are you doing?
Just trying to turn out mic's off so it definitely cuts.
So far, you guys have fun said you had content,
but you've been very quiet.
Oh, Dan, by the way, he's got a surprise something for the podcast.
He said, a bit of fun for you guys.
Oh, really much of that.
Do we do?
Yeah, so look forward to the little surprise, Dan genuinely was like, that'll be a bit of fun.
No, I said, I've got to do something because I've just done it, and I need to then go and follow it up.
You'll know what I mean soon.
Did you not flush again?
Did you leave some in the same?
I put some toast by I put my vocals down, and then I came back in because I usually put it down and go back out four minutes later.
Well, I need to go and get it.
He goes...
Oh, that's a special tree
that is going to be some podcast without Dan.
You're right?
He goes...
He goes, oh, we're doing the podcast.
I was like, yeah.
And he's like, oh, I've got to go get my toast.
And he goes, oh, well, something for the podcasters, I suppose.
I'll say, what?
You're going and getting your fucking toast.
Jesus.
No, anyone cares.
Why don't you use that time?
Probably now, like, in 30 seconds, I'm going to head out and get it.
In that time, you can do whatever you want without me.
Okay.
Here we go.
Today on the Overthinkers podcast.
We're overthinking.
If I had a magical button, and every time you pushed it, you got a million dollars,
but it also took a year off your life.
How many times are you pushing it?
Once.
One time.
A million dollars, fine.
Like a million dollars will do me.
I thought about it.
I thought, no, not two years in my life, no.
I'd part with one year for a million bucks.
I think so.
And then I'd invest it.
But then also, like, I think it depends.
Like, if you think you're going to, like, let's say,
you live to 95.
I'd take 10 years off
because those last 10 years, I mean you're 90s,
they can't be that fun.
I'd go to 85 and have 10 mil.
You scared me with how much you say you're not going to make 90.
You have commonly said
80 and that's it.
Yeah, I just, I mean, if I'm going to go with like 62,
I don't want to take 10 years off, geez.
Wait, but you're not going to die young.
Why do you think you're going to die young?
You're a fit, healthy man.
I think you're going to go to your 19.
I know, well, yeah, I mean, that's always the hope.
Yeah.
But, you know, I have this weird thing, like, when I'm driving around the street sometimes,
and I go, I feel like there's a speed camera around here.
And then all of a sudden I'll be driving around a street.
I've never been in front of a speed camera.
You know, those weird feelings?
Yeah, premonitions.
So I'm really hoping that that feeling that I've always had being like,
I don't think I'm going to.
People will go, he went before his time.
Do you think people will say that about you?
I think they, after I've gone, but I really hope I'm wrong with it.
Wow, I think I'll go to have the opposite.
They go, wow, she held on way longer than you're not expected.
Fucky now.
A million dollars isn't necessarily enough to, like,
drastically change your life to take time off it.
Oh, he's back, everybody.
That was your break of without Dan.
I hope you enjoyed it.
There you go.
Did you have fun?
I hope you used it.
Do you know what I mean?
But if you had, say, six or seven million,
I think that's when you really start having generational wealth.
Is that, let me guess what's happened.
Clint's been banging on about how he'd take, like, six or seven million.
because he'd part with seven years.
He's talking about it.
And he's like, you can't do anything with the million dollars
because I've already got it.
God, it must be nice.
Honestly, a million dollars would change my life.
No, it would literally pay off your mortgage.
Yeah, and some, and some.
You'd still have, like, rates and bills.
You'd still have to work.
Do you know what I mean?
It's not changing your life.
You're just, you're having more disposable income
when you go out to bars.
I probably wouldn't use it to pay off the mortgage.
I'd probably go, I put it into like a,
like some sort of account
that earns interest.
I want a job quitting amount.
I never have to work again amount
if I'm going to push it at all, I think.
Because then I'm like...
Sounds like you just wants to leave us, Meg.
I want to have enough
that I can travel the world,
experience as much of life as I possibly can,
and not have to be like, fuck,
I've got to go back to work though.
But you can't...
I can't stress how much you've...
That ship sailed, my friend.
You've got kids now.
Like, yes, you'll be able to do it one day,
but not now.
You can't take your kids out of school and just go travel the world.
I see these Instagram posts and it goes,
life isn't as serious as we make it.
Your algorithms are fucking young.
Rip your kids out of school, travel them around the world
and they will get more life experience than any kid has ever known.
But I don't think a kid wants that.
Do they want to, like, if I was mine out of a suitcase and be with their friends.
The kid that was surfing this coral reef,
look like he's having a fucking great time.
Yeah, but I'm sure.
But then what's he going to do with his after you've run out of money?
You can't make friends of the fish.
Yeah.
I'm trying. Trust me.
There's got to be a movie when someone has done that.
Your attention spends terrible.
I have another money question.
Actually, Clint, you might like this one.
I can't relate to yours a little bit.
Okay, I'm going to give you 10 million.
Today on the Overthinkers podcast.
We're overthinking.
So it's on a podcast.
Well, it's $10 million.
Well, it's $10 million.
Because a million wouldn't make Clint do anything, but 10 million, he's locked in.
I'm very intrigued.
I'm not leaving the meeting.
10 million.
You get one shot.
Dan.
Oh.
Oh.
No.
Shoot one chance.
Shoot Dan.
One chance.
Shag meg me and take the mill.
Okay, you get 20 million of a shag me.
Fair long.
Stop, one chance.
Billion a minute.
To stand somewhere, you get to pick the spot and you'll be teleported there.
Yeah.
When nobody on planet Earth has ever stood before.
If you stand there and somebody else has stood in that exact same spot, you die instantly.
But if nobody...
Has ever stood there, you get $10 million.
Do you take the risk?
Yeah.
That's easy.
You'd go to somewhere.
Sure we go to a desert?
No, I just go to a farm somewhere in Waikato.
And you're going to risk your life.
I would go into a bush.
So you stand there, or you mean stand or they just touch that spot?
No, they have, yeah.
Well, they're like a metre.
Meter wide.
Yeah, so nobody is touched that spot.
I'd go into a bush in the somewhere within the like Kaimai Rangers.
The chances of some.
someone gracing that exact spot you're standing is very slim.
And I'd make my footprint very small,
so I'd stand on one leg on a tiptoe.
No, it's both feet.
Okay, both feet.
But I'd do it.
Trust me.
You could do that probably with the Amazon rainforest as well, right?
Yeah, I mean, I know, yeah, New Zealand is small in terms of like 5 million people or whatever.
Surely you're better to go to the Sahara Desert.
Now, I know.
I know.
I'd rather go somewhere close because I know my place.
You know the kind of.
Where is it?
When was the Lamae Ranges?
I've walked through there before
and I remember thinking at the time.
Well then you know that people have walked to there.
No, no, no, no.
But I was in there.
So I went to look.
There's a crashed plane in the Kauai Ranges.
There's a DC3 and it crashed there in the 1960s.
The wreckage is still there and you can go and look at it.
Don't go.
I wouldn't put my mark anywhere there.
But I remember being in the bush and there's no track to it.
It's like really remote.
No one ever walks to this crashed plane.
But you can do it.
It's like on a map.
I remember being in the bush.
we look for it and being like this is the most remote place I've ever been.
And that's why the wreckage is still there because they couldn't save the,
they couldn't take it out because it was so remote.
But people do walk there.
I don't want to go anywhere that people go on a walk to,
but I would go somewhere else, not there, but I'd go somewhere in the Kamo Rangers.
Yeah, but if somebody went off track and they need to take a dump or something.
Well, they're not going that far off track.
They're not going shit.
It's not like there's hundreds of people walking there.
They have to go far off track to take a shit.
Dan chooses a spot
and as they tell him
he's literally standing in shit
He's inhuman
things
Someone's standing there Dan
But someone's shat there
You idiot
You don't get any money
And you've got shit
All over your fucking shoe
And you're dead
Don't worry about the shit
Because you're about to die
In three
Two
Oh fuck wait
Anyway
That'd be just my luck
Honestly
I go into the climb
My range
And a stand a human shit
Yeah
Clint would somehow
Get double
They'd be like
And that was the spot
For double your money
There was one spot
around the world
I'd make sure before I die that
through the shit at his face
I'd be like, hey one last wish please
And he'd be like, oh fuck
$20 million so
He's happy
It would be so fun if you were like stupid, stupid rich
Like there are people in the world that are
Because if we had that money
We'd be so immature with it
It'd be so dumb
I think Dan would be the worst
You guys, I think Dan would actually be scary for me
If damn it came into that amount of money
you would change so quickly.
A, I probably would still work here just to piss you off,
but I'd turn up.
And I'd go Meg, 50 bucks, just to go out there
and hump Carl's face or something, you know?
And you'd be like, oh, I have to.
It's for the kids.
Not for $50, me.
I'll put Daisy through university
if you go up to the boss and fart in his face.
And you go, oh, fuck, I have to.
I want her to go to St. Kentigans.
So she'd go out there.
Have you already chosen her?
No, I don't know what the fact.
I think you made it up.
No, I wanted to go to home.
Hogwoods.
Okay, I'll send him to Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry.
If you go out into the office and...
Fart in Jack's face.
Down trial, Jack, our boss.
Go, you fucking little prick.
He always adds to it.
Because if I go, you're going to be careful with Dan as a billionaire.
If I go, yeah, I'll do it.
And he goes, no, no, no, no, and then knock him out.
Yeah, yeah.
If you have to add like, you're not keen.
Because if you're like, oh, that's not there, he's gone super dear.
I'd be a dangerous millionaire.
I really would be.
You would scare me.
Yeah, I would.
Yeah.
But, you know.
I wonder if anyone's ever done that.
Like, it's come into, like, a windfall,
especially in America when you were earning hundreds of millions of dollars,
like when they win, and just gone and throwing it around,
getting the mates to do a dumbass shit for 10K.
We've talked about it before.
It's a great idea for a podcast.
You get one rich guy and the other two co-hosts are, like, dirt poor.
But he just dares them to do stuff.
And it's like, like, they're like...
How rich does the rich guy have to be?
Like million millions, like hundreds of millions.
Yeah.
And we need to get the guy from Jen Trank next door.
He's got billions, doesn't it?
17 million.
He gets every year, apparently.
I'd be keen.
Yeah, and then, also, I thought that'd be getting guests into the podcast.
No, it's just the same.
Well, I guess you could get guests, but I'd prefer it if it was just you too.
And it's almost like jackass, is it?
Yeah, but like, it'd be pathetic, like, stuff.
So is that what, is that what it's called just pathetic ass?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, I'd be called Rich Guy and the Poor, the Pothetics.
Pathetics is home.
Rich guy and put more the name.
Rich guy in the pathetic
I listen
It's got a huge budget
And no one of this is it
And the icon on like
iTunes or whatever
It's just my face
And I'm all rich
And you too like
Oh sad and pathetic
Rich guy and the pathetic
But there's this
Cash falling from the sky
And you all try to grab it
Like a little of a pathetic way
I mean that's kind of what
The person is the closest
That's probably Mr Beast
At the moment
Like I'd come in
And I'd be like guys
Today
I've hidden
A million dollars in shit
And I just sit there and watch Clint
just rifled through shit
I would do it so Clint
He would
And I go Clint think of it
You get two new tests
And he'd be like oh okay
And he'd be all depressed
Rifling through shit
And I'd hate him eh
But you'd have
Yeah
At least you're like
I'm not losing my job
Yeah
It pays great
Yeah
I saw
Do you guys know the influencer James Charles
No
He's an influencer
YouTuber
Back in the day
Was a beauty influencer
It has been cancelled
About a million times
I kind of think
Up
And the most recent one
was on the week
He did this video.
I should really find the audio.
He did this really angry yelling at his phone video.
And I'll try and replay what he did.
I just had somebody slip into my DMs saying,
hi, I just lost my job because the airline that I work for has gone under.
And I'm just wondering if you could maybe give me some money from I give a little.
And he was like, no bitch, you stupid lazy fuck.
And he went so hard on her.
And like, people going back and forth in the comments
for some people being like, whoa, like,
because he's a millionaire,
must be nice to be able to sit there and go,
no, fucking go get another job.
Oh my God.
And other people being like, well, fair enough.
You can't just slip into people's DMs
and go, can you please give me some cash
because I lost my job?
Yeah.
What do you think?
I think if you're a rich, rich person,
you can ever punch down.
Yes.
I think that's key.
Maybe he's been cancelled before on his.
he's like one of those people
he's rage beta.
No, no, because he's done an apology video since.
So since then he's like,
he was like, sorry, that was a stupid video to make.
I was really dumb.
You should never, if you're wealthy,
it's sort of like the thing I said a couple of podcasts ago,
or I said it pisses me off
when you hear rich people on podcasts
telling people how to save money.
Yeah.
I don't give a, no, you know what?
I don't want to hear from a rich person.
I want to hear from a real poor person
that's making it buy and they've got a good spreadsheet.
You know? I don't want to hear from some rich dude that's like born with a teaspoon in their mouth.
Is that what they say?
Silver spoon.
Not just a teaspoon. It needs to be silver.
Yeah, I put a teaspoon in his mouth. He's still not rich.
Here we go, here we go.
I've got a DM on here from a girl that said,
Good morning, James. I know you'll probably never see this, but if you could just take one minute to read,
it would really mean a lot to me.
I'm really struggling right now because Spirit Airlines just fell out for bankruptcy.
I have lost my job.
Here's a go-fund-me, Link.
Any donations help.
They do, sweetheart.
I'm sure they do.
You know what else would help you?
Getting another job.
Yeah, try that.
Because in the time that it took you to copy and paste the same fuck-ass message to myself,
who you don't follow, by the way.
You probably are other influences and celebrities.
You could have applied for 100 other jobs, but you didn't because you're a lazy piece of shit.
I hate him.
Is he that leave Britney alone?
No.
No.
I hate him.
Right?
Can you feel it?
But also, he's definitely doing that on purpose.
What?
The fact that he goes,
but you don't follow me by the way,
no one is that serious.
Like seriously fucking money.
Oh no, I think he is.
He then did that.
Well then I hate him.
Hate him with a passion.
Yeah.
I can't stand people like that.
Yeah.
That like their whole personality is just online.
Yeah.
I know a couple of people.
That's very him.
I know a couple of people that we,
that I know,
I think we've all got friends that it's just,
they just live online.
Chronically online.
Do you know the difference?
The ones that I love, and I know Dan's going to be like,
well, don't film it, just do nice things.
But I think the reason why they can raise so much money
is because they're showing you how some people are living.
So he, sometimes I think, takes it a little bit far,
but sometimes he'll just be sitting outside of Walmart without shoes,
just looking like he's hard on his luck.
And then people will stop and go, hey, man, you're good.
And he's like, no, I haven't got any shoes, and I've got any shoes.
And then they'll be like, hey, let me go in, let me go in,
and I'll get you some shoes.
Right?
And then they come out and he goes, why did you do that?
And then she goes, well, because no one should have to be able.
Yeah, and she sees like four people filming her.
No, it's so stupid.
And then he then goes, okay, well, it turns out I'm just trying to look for someone who's going to be kind to someone else.
And then he gives him $10,000.
And the next minute he gets him a car and then he finds him a new place because the story, you know, snowballs, right?
And he's just looking for someone who's looking out for other people.
But sometimes I saw a video of him recently and he was pretending to be blind.
Oh, God.
And I was like, bro, there's got to be a line in terms of you.
And then he goes, and then at the end he takes the, the blind, well, whatever he's got on his face.
And then he's, he drops the stick because he's got one of those blind sticks.
He hasn't got a blindfold on if he's blind.
But anyway, sorry, Clint.
Blasses, maybe.
He's typically not blind if he's wearing a blindfold form.
Hold on.
That's better.
Just take that off.
Oh, fuck, that's all it was.
If I saw somebody with a sign that said, I'm blind with a blindfold on, I'd be like.
He's that guy.
Is that guy from TikTok?
He drops the stick and whatever
And then he goes, I'm not actually blinding
See the person a little bit
Almost like fucked off being like
What are you doing?
I just went in and bought you like water and shimmer
But then he like comes clean with it
And it's like these people like burst into tears
Because they are hard up
And they've just you know
Use their last three or four bucks to go and give this guy water
I get what you mean
I think he's sort of spreading awareness
But like if I filmed all my orphan work
I'd be the same you know
I just don't
I just don't want to
You can reach more people
If you filmed it
about it. I just like, my priority
is the orphans.
One of their names?
Oh, I can't name them all. Like,
there's hundreds of thousands.
We'll just give us 100 or two.
Hundreds of orphans just down the road from us.
Yes, like over the years.
Like, the ones I've saved and they've gone on to bigger and better things.
How have you saved them?
Just by supporting and being nice to them.
You didn't become like a father?
Well, I supported them in ways, you know, like giving them time.
Time. Time.
You know, I think that's one thing you should do.
The herbal.
Oh, give them money, give the money.
Give them time.
And what were their names?
Just a few of them.
You must remember someone.
Gavin.
Gavin?
Gavin.
Why does Gavin stand out?
He was just, you know what?
He was one of the ones I gave time to.
Guess where he is now?
Sleepy head.
Hang on.
He works for sleepy head.
He works for sleepy head.
He's now one of the top dogs.
What does he do?
Sleepy and shit.
He does he. He makes the beds.
He makes them. He's quite
high up but they still make him make them.
He designs the beds.
Oh, he designs beds.
And how did your time support him in that career
move? Just being there for him. Just going, you know,
shoulder to cry on just when you.
Let's not, we're focusing too much on what I've done.
What have you done?
What have you done?
What have I done?
Yeah.
What the fuck have you done?
What the fuck have you done?
Fuck.
Stop trying to pass the buck.
Exactly, and this is the sort of thing that pisses off.
Well, at least I don't fucking make it up.
I don't make it up either.
Dan, you have not saved a hundred orphans.
Well, not directly, but I'm going on time.
Do you know, I actually might go and visit my sponsor child in Tanzania.
What's his name?
Ali Ali Juma.
It is.
No, why he goes pushing my, his name?
Okay.
Stop it. Don't make me out to be a phrase.
His name is Ali Ali Juma.
And I've been sponsoring him since I was 18 years old.
And he was four.
He was four.
And so when he turned 18,
World Vision, like, you stop making payments to him directly.
And you start making payments to his village.
So I don't know if he's still in the village,
but his family might be.
And I was going to, because my wife's going over to Africa
to do here and make up for a wedding.
And so I'm going to go over with her.
And then I found out we're going through Tanzania.
I'm like, I wonder...
It's a big place, Clint.
I know.
I know that you're going to be able to yell
Ali Ali Juma and try and find him.
Well, I'm just like, could I reach out to World Vision
and would they give me details to meet up with my sponsor child?
We tried to do that years ago.
We had, same thing, we raised them from, they were a baby.
My whole family did, and we would send them.
This is when they were more open to getting presents, like, presents,
the actual present gifts,
and we would give him presents for his birthday and his Christmas every year
and we'd get a photo back of him holding them,
so we knew it was all legit.
It was amazing.
I grew up.
I felt like he was my brother.
Like I write in leaders.
I know that sounds silly but he was so a part of the family.
What's his name?
No idea.
Completely forgot him.
Clint, you could not tell me that your one was called Ali Ali Ali Jummer.
I put my kid's life on the line.
Are you sure it wasn't like just a double misprint?
No, well I don't know.
There's always Ali Ali Ali.
So I don't know if it was Ali or if his middle name and the first name was Ali and then his last name was Jummer.
Anyway.
So all I'm trying to say is.
Well, yeah, my mum reached out and she was like, can we please stay in touch with him?
He's become like a part of our family.
We couldn't.
We couldn't, where they weren't able to.
They keep taking your money, but it just goes to the village that they grew up in.
Back then, they stopped it.
They were like, and you've raised him, basically.
Oh, that's it.
They're still taking my money.
Perhaps since I was 18 years of age, I've never stopped.
The one thing I have done for, I can't remember if it was Tanzania or somewhere, I sent a goat across.
In fact, I think I've brought three or four goats for people over there.
Oh, when you get a Christmas present, it goes, a goat has been donated in your own age.
They never actually donated a goat, it's just like the amount of the money thing.
Yeah, because I never saw a photo of the goat with the companion.
Dom who used to work here, I got him a goat.
Well, I gave a goat to Africa on Dom's behalf.
He didn't love that.
Well, I guess, you know, did he want the goat?
I'm not to sure.
But I gave it to him as a Christmas present.
Anyway, I think the key here is, and this has just been a, you know,
just give if you can.
Give time.
To whom much is given, much is required.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
I've gone on to World Vision.
Now, you can choose the country, Bangladesh, Malawi, Solomon Islands, Tanzania, Uganda, boy or girl.
You can also choose, would you like to sponsor a child with a certain birthday?
I just feel like it's very picky.
Oh, it's almost like those little beanie babies.
Yeah.
What do you mean?
Do you think it's their actual birthday or they're like, yes, Ali Al-Juma can be both on the 24th.
Born on April 28th, same as you.
Yeah.
That's weird.
Don't you think that's weird?
Look at me saying that they can be picky.
I mean, I think, you know what.
Oh no, it's okay.
I just put it in 24th and it only gave me one month to choose from,
so there's only one person with that day.
It's okay.
I mean, you just give what you can.
I also give to the animals.
Oh, do you?
Yeah, we had that woman come over to our house asking for money,
and I said, I already give plenty.
Plenty.
I can't remember how much it is, but it's something out of our account.
That's the thing, when they come around,
that's the biggest flex when they come to collect money
for something you already give to,
and you go, mate, I'm already doing it.
But it was a different charity.
They're like, oh, but you're not giving to the right charity.
I'm like, well, I'm giving to a charity.
I've had that before.
What a shit is when charities will dog other charities and go, yeah, well, for your dollar,
we give more to the children than that company that you donate to.
And they say, I was like, don't make me feel bad for giving to charity.
How have you done that?
I would love to know with World Vision.
Do they actually, there's money actually go to that little child?
Or does it go to the village to help?
I don't know.
Not sure.
Surely they would chat to us about it.
I don't think it grows for that actual child's head.
So imagine there's just some kids running around rich
in terms of African standards
and then other kids that aren't sponsored
that are running around poor.
Surely they distributed evenly amongst the community.
So you're not saying,
so Ali Ali Jummer isn't in his country going shame guys.
Yeah, I've got a sponsor.
I want Clint Randall.
Shame.
Yeah, I've got a sponsor.
And they just called Clint
and they made him to up his giving
to an extra 20% a month.
I think that's why they changed it
with, you know, you couldn't give presents
because it became a bit like that where like
it would almost become, like they were
targeted for thieves.
And also then, yeah,
yeah, you've just got...
Dan's so bored about talking about charity.
Look, look, if I'm honest, it's not the most
compelling stuff.
What's that? Do you want to go back?
Do you want to go and get another
couple pieces of toast?
Well, I've got a piece of marmite toast
staring at me going to be again.
So...
Where are you going to put that?
In my mouth.
Okay, good.
But for 10 grams.
would you shove it in your...
Overthinkers.
