The Entrepreneur DNA - Is Being "Too Healthy" Actually Toxic? | Rachel Harvest

Episode Date: May 1, 2026

Are you pushing yourself to the brink of burnout in pursuit of the superhuman entrepreneur ideal? In this episode of The Entrepreneur DNA, host Justin Colby sits down with behavioral health specialist Rachel Harvest to break down the toxic side of perfectionism and how to find true balance. Throughout this deep dive, Rachel explains why high achievers often fall into the trap of extreme dieting, caffeine dependency, and emotional suppression. You will learn about the wise mind, a powerful combination of logic and emotion that allows for better decision making and sustainable growth. The conversation covers everything from the physical toll of caffeine on your adrenals to the psychological roots of binge behaviors and the importance of setting healthy boundaries. — Rachel also introduces the concept of orthorexia, an obsession with healthy eating that can actually become harmful, and explains why your day actually starts the moment you go to sleep. Whether you are struggling with the pressure to be perfect or looking for a more functional approach to your nutrition and mental health, this episode provides a roadmap for responding to life rather than just reacting to it. What You’ll Learn in This Episode Why “being healthy” can become harmful when it turns into perfectionism How caffeine can become a performance crutch instead of a ritual Why entrepreneurs often mistake burnout for discipline The difference between logic mind, emotion mind, and wise mind How binge behaviors often start with judgment and restriction Why extreme routines can be a sign of nervous system stress How your “why” drives almost every habit you have Why discernment may be the real superpower for high performers —- About Justin: Justin Colby is the host of The Entrepreneur DNA and The Science of Flipping podcasts and a best-selling author. He is a serial entrepreneur and a seasoned real estate investor with over 20 years of experience. Driven by a passion to help entrepreneurs thrive, Justin created the Entrepreneur DNA community to support business owners in building wealth, systems, and long-term freedom. Through his podcasts, books, education platforms, and hands-on mentorship, he continues to help entrepreneurs scale with clarity and confidence. Connect with Justin: Instagram: @thejustincolby YouTube: Justin Colby TikTok: @justincolbytsof LinkedIn: Justin Colby — About Rachel Harvest: Rachel Harvest is a registered dietitian, behavioral health specialist, and founder of The Harvest Method. She works with high performers to uncover the “why” behind their habits — combining functional nutrition and behavioral therapy to address burnout, performance, and long-term health. Connect with Rachel: LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/rachelharvest Website: www.theharvestmethod.com Chapters 0:00 Intro and the Logic vs. Emotion Mind 3:15 The Harvest Method and Behavioral Therapy 6:45 The Truth About Caffeine and Adrenal Fatigue 10:30 The Danger of Extremes and Perfectionism 14:15 Understanding Orthorexia and Health Obsession 18:00 Managing Stress and the Dialectical Path 22:30 Nutrition as a Medium for Life 26:00 Intermittent Fasting and Bio-Individuality 30:15 The Importance of Sleep and Circadian Rhythms 34:45 The Joy of Missing Out (JOMO) 38:30 Entrepreneurial Sensitivity and the X-Men Analogy 42:15 Emotions as Messages and Setting Boundaries 46:45 The Downside of Being Overly Rational 51:00 Taylor Swift and the Evolution of Empowerment 55:30 Identifying Binge Behaviors and Triggers 58:30 Final Advice on Discernment and Growth #entrepreneur #mentalhealth #wellness #productivity #nutrition Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

There's logic mind and there's emotion mind and then there's lies mind and there's a combination of the two. It's knowing which one you're in and which one you lean towards more. Women tend to lean towards their emotional side and men tend to lean towards their logical side. But if a man is feeling overly logical and completely lacking emotional intelligence, it's not different. It's an extreme manifestation. I had a client, she came into my office and she laid down like it was a therapy office, laid down on the couch and was like, I have to go to this party.

I was up to a four-ed-da-da-da-da. And she was like, crying about her holiday party and where she needs to go. And I was like, hey, do you see this? You're gonna have to recover from this. You need to find the balance. Well, I think about sensitivity and people's awareness and entrepreneurs being those kind of thinkers

as kind of like excellent, like super humans. Taylor Swift admitted in, I think, that first documentary that she did that the reason why she's so successful is because she is obsessed with people liking her. She needs to be like. Rachel Harvest, she is a registered dietitian and a behavior health specialist. Rachel Harvest is the founder of the Harvest method, combining nutrition with behavioral therapy to support long-term healing. You don't want to drink outfall.

That's not that extreme. Not a big deal. Who cares? I don't smoke. You're so healthy. It's actually weirdly harmful. What is up, the entrepreneur DNA? We are back with another incredible guest.

Now, as always, these guests are advisors in. the entrepreneur DNA community. If you were not yet a part of the entrepreneur DNA community, make sure you look it up. Go to school sk-o-oh-l.com forward slash the entrepreneur DNA. Well, I'm glad you're here, and let's get into this because we're all high drivers, and you just, you gave me a little feedback off camera about my coffee intake. Let's get into that a little bit.

I think more people than not listening and watching this. Probably have some level of obsession or addiction or habitual habit around coffee. Is it terrible? What would you suggest? I drink a good amount of coffee every day. What's a good amount? I probably have at least two cups before 9 a.m. And do you need it to wake up?

Not per se. Okay. It's just nice. What you put in, your body works with. I mean, caffeine is going to give you a false sense of energy. Okay. It's not real, and it's taxing to your adrenals. Is eight ounces of coffee a bad thing?

each and every day now if you need it to wake up. If I have four cups of coffee a day, are you like, dude, you're just going to blow out your adrenals in? Well, then you're reducing your hydration status to. You're also, I mean, your digestion gets a little off from that. It's more about the habit stacking of what you want to do for your body than cutting things out. And it's interesting. I even thought about this personally, because I'm like, one of those people who just loves to, like,

commit and do it. Yeah. And I did the whole, I'm never going to drink alcohol again. And I was like stone cold sober for over a year. Yeah. Like no alcohol whatsoever. And then I realized that the perfectionism in it, like the overall healthiness of it is distancing to you from people, you know?

And it's the balance. It's always the balance. I mean, that's the type of behavior therapy I do too. It's always about the middle ground. Like, what are you doing that is beneficial to you? Hopefully, that's outweighing the things that are vices. And the more performance you have, the more it needs to outweigh the vices. Yeah.

But we have to be human beings and we have to balance, too. So if you enjoy your morning cup of coffee and that's your ritual, I have one too. Sure. You know, and it's part of my ritual. Like, I'm not a person who don't talk to me before I have my coffee. I'm more like, this is my time for me and this is part of it. Yeah. And that's great.

So that is more me. I have kind of this morning ritual. I do wake up pretty early. I'm not trying to compare. People try to compare. Oh, I wake up a 3.30. I'm like, I don't. Great.

Awesome. Right. So I typically wake up at 4.30 in the morning. And I sit for an hour. And I have my cup of coffee. And I journal and I write. And I pre-plan the things that I know I'm going to need. And it allows me to reduce the brain friction of like trying to remember.

And then I go to the gym at 5.30. Right. So it is more of a habitual like me time. Yeah. Then I need coffee before I can do anything. I'm not that. guy either is I kind of want to frame this in like the falsity of extremes you brought up extremes i believe the people that live this extreme life whether there's no alcohol no carbs no i think it's

all how do you believe this this extremist dietary specifically dietary right like in behavioral extreme side of the world that's now seemingly everything everywhere. If you're doing something to perfect, it's toxic. This thing is perfection, right? The don't die guy, right? Like, it's like, you're going to die. Like, actually, spoiler alert, you're not getting out of this one alive. Like, how can you take care of yourself? Is, is so much more the focus. What do you need is so much more the focus. If it becomes about a cold pung and I need to do my, you know, contrast therapy and I take 87, seven, supplements and I do my peptides and I never drink alcohol and I sleep eight hours and I don't

engage in negative self-talk or conversations of people. You're in a bubble. You're not, you and I say, you know, I do specialize in treating eating disorders. And I say to people who have that sort of there is an eating disorder called orthorexia, which means you're overly healthy. That's an actual disorder. It is. And it's very much more. Thank you for saying. I've actually thought to myself, like, is there actually so far to the, to that, to that, that you're actually like you're so healthy it's actually weirdly harmful yes I just had a thought I remember when I was in graduate school we did like a food science lab where we were learning about how they use science to create products like you know if you have craft foods or something like

that the way they manipulate things to shelf stabilize and so on so there is we were learning how to treat certain foods so that they wouldn't go bad and so we were partially hydrogenating things, right? And there was a member of my class who literally had a breakdown. She was crying because she was like, I cannot put that in my body. Like, I cannot taste that because we were tasting the thing to see if the taste of like, quote unquote, the normal food. And it's like, that right there is McDonald's between your ears. Like the way your brain is working about the obsession of like perfecting and like making sure that you don't do anything out of the norm and I'm guilty of it at times too so that's why it's a little bit like of a response I just gave

you because there is that part of my brain that is a control freak there is that part of my brain that is super perfectionistic and she's gotten me to certain places but not without detriment detriment yeah well and I don't want to keep it too vague but it's almost like when you say yes it's something you're saying no it's something else so when you're being so extreme dietary wise or fitness wise whatever and behavioral wise right you were quite literally a behavioral therapist you're you're essentially giving up something that could be beneficial for you because you're so extremist right and you're living in a world of judgment because it's good or bad right or wrong black or white that is how i wanted to find it people that go that that's what i feel

disingenuous about the people that this extreme listen you don't want to drink alcohol That's not that extreme. Not a big deal. Who cares? It is this almost judgment behind, I don't drink alcohol. I don't drink coffee. I don't drink caffeine.

I don't smoke. I don't. And then it's like I'm coming off better than. I'm like, bro, I don't all go away. If there's judgment, if there's better than, that's not the best version of you. Right. It's probably the best version of the worst part of you.

It's sort of like you have this negative self and then you have this plastic around. it that perfects it and then that's what you show to the world that's how you compare yourself to others like comparisons and judgments are just always they're they're going to get in your way yeah i think that's where my i'm always like i'm always like i will unfollow someone when they go like no alcohol for me and you're wrong and bad and it's so alcohol is a drug it is harmful i'm not denying that but like within reason if someone comes you and says i have a casual glass of wine at dinner. I have a casual cocktail on a Saturday night with my wife. Like, are you like,

you're totally fucked up? No, thank goodness. I mean, that's, so dialectical behavior therapy is this. It's, it's walking the middle path. It's the balance of things. And it's understanding that imbalance, where you're swinging into either extreme, is an indicator that you are under a lot of stress and you don't know how to tolerate it, that you are having an emotional state they're uncomfortable with, so you can't regulate it, that interpersonally, you're not effective. Like, and the example of a person who's higher than now, because they've never touched a glass of wine, is going to be ineffective with the majority of culture that likes to have a cocktail after work, right? Does that mean that you lie and pretend if you have a

preference? No, but they're your preferences, and they're not meant to be the part of the soapbox to judge you against another person, you know? And I think, if being my It's being aware of why you do anything. Your why behind your behavior is your engine. And most people's why is subconscious. They don't know what it is. They don't know why. They can't, you know, get to the gym in the morning, or they procrastinate, or they get in arguments with their partner, or they just don't eat the foods that they want to eat to make their body feel better, you know? They don't understand that their why is probably some sort of self-deprecating or, or, you know, because they want to be perfect and they can't, they're failing, so why not just give up? Yeah. Right. And that piece of us that sort of runs a show subconsciously is really important to learn and the why you do anything.

So the way I approach nutrition is as a medium for life, you know, as a medium to teach about life, meaning that this is one of your basic needs and it's really interesting our humans are about food. And it's because of culture. It's because of all the wacky stuff out there that people are trying to figure out instead of working with a functional nutritionist who can work with you with your specific body instead of the blanket term, right? You know, but nutrition, food, water, shelter. Yeah. Right. I do not question when I get in my car that I may sleep here tonight. I go home. Like I know I need my shelter. I go to what it is and I make it as comfortable as I possibly can for myself. I think that's pretty par for a mentally well person, right?

Water, you're not making it through at 24 hours without it, right? So you're going to drink something that hydrates you. But food, people are all over the map with it, skipping meals because they have a meeting or because they're afraid that they might gain weight, thinking that they should eat less than the output, so give their body stress so that they, in their body functions better. You want to stress your body out so that it will be a higher performance. Do you see more hydrant? drivers, the entrepreneurs of the world, literally go extreme on their diet. What I mean by that is, do you see high drivers like skipping a meal because they want to be healthy? So they're thinking, oh, I don't need to eat lunch and have no nutrition because I need to be healthy and like

less is more. So I'm going to be ripped and shredded and I'd rather just not eat. Do you see how the rationale. The way that's connect is is valid but not true. No, right. I actually think you need to eat consistently. I love intermittent fasting. We'd love to get your take on that. But then when I'm eating, I'm eating. And it's a consistent thing for nutrition purposes. Everybody is different. Yeah. Literally. I mean, all, you know, the organs are the same, male to female, the arms and legs. You know, they function mostly the same way, but everybody has its own genetics and has its own experience. So it's nature and its nurture. Do you believe in intermittent fasting? Do you believe? In intermittent fasting? Do you Some bodies, some bodies, yeah, and some brains.

It's not a one-size-fits-all. It's not beneficial for absolutely everybody? It's not, and that could be, we could be talking about the nervous system, why it may not be beneficial in this moment. I call that the nurture piece. You know, to this day, from the beginning of your life, everything that has happened and everything you've been exposed to or taught is your nurturing. right so that creates the nurture part of nature nurture like what this body is keeping the score

and telling the story for me if I'm in a high anxiety state and I have um a lot of rumination about getting things right and I try to intermittent fast again that's the McDonald's in the brain bit where somebody's trying to get heard that and I'm stealing that from you McDonald's in your brain yeah I love it right money no offense to people who want to have the McDonald's is one of their you know cheat meals or whatever But yeah, we want to get the proper macros and micronutrients. You need your vitamins and minerals. And yes, different bodies need different things.

And we look at genetic snippets in functional nutrition. We can actually see this person has this snippet. They may actually be someone who could do well with the gLP one. That's what they talk about when it's genetic, right? Or they have less limited ability to methylate B vitamins, right? So they have to have a methylated form in order for their body to process it because if they don't have that, then all this lovely protein that they're overdoing is not getting processed because we need B6. You know, so it's things like that that we look at, and that's the nerdiness of functional nutrition and medical nutrition therapy,

which is what every dietician does. Our dietitians at the harvest method are also functional and integrative nutritionists. So they do preventative care and performance nutrition. And then medical nutrition therapy is like if you have a genetic condition, or disease or a family predisposition to something, these are the ways we want to look at you treating your body, right? But it really is about, like I said before, well, I don't know about intermittent fasting

if a nervous system is knocked off, right? Yes, some nervous systems, when they are in a higher stress state, actually calm, right? I don't know if I, like I, the type of meditation I do is very active and intense, like to sit and just meditate. It's super easy for me, but it does not give me, what Kundalini yoga does because it takes me to an intense place and my nervous system relaxes. And that's good for me because I'm used to intense situations, but I want them to be beneficial,

right? So that's an example of me being different than someone who needs to learn to relax or needs to learn to like find their peaceful center, you know? So that's in meditation when it comes to food. If you're intermittent fasting, okay. Sometimes it is really good to set the body. up. Eating two hours before bed is probably not a good idea for anyone because you need your body to be in restful state. Digestion is an active state. So if you eat right before you get in bed,

your body's active while it needs to be resting and repairing. So it's not getting fully into that and your overring will probably tell you that you're sleeping just fine, right? But the combo platter of it is that you need to transition your body. And in the morning, sometimes people's bodies need time to get online. Think about, you know, do you spend time around any little kids? Yeah, too. I have two. Okay, so you have little kids. So they, but they move slower, like very, very slow, right? They take their time at things and, and they, they take a minute to land where they are when they're really tiny, like to figure out what their hand is and they, like, there's one of them in all of us still. I mean, I know people talk about inner child work

and all that stuff, but it's like actually real. That there is a part of, you know, that, there is a part view that has a slow pace and needs time and space. And for some people, when they wake up in the morning, that part of them is very present. So they actually need a very slow morning that doesn't have stimulus. Stimulating the gut is eating, right? They maybe need a glass of water and to like watch the boats go by if they have that privilege, you know? That's interesting. You're giving me almost inside of my wife really. Like I call her a dragon. Sorry, honey. Like she's a dragon in the morning. It's very difficult. Right. And we have little kids that are like ready to jump and run and whatever, right? because but now that it makes sense because when we do have time she does she gets up but she'll like

chill like super chill I'm like you want to like do something yeah she's like I just want to sit here and have my cup of coffee and sit and I'm like all right so what you just said now I'm starting to realize like that's that inner little you know baby inner still right and part of humans that nature and nurture is rhythms and the rhythms that we read operate at, not what we're forced into. The rhythm is that we really operate at are important to know about ourselves. So, yes, how you feed yourself, what type of exercise, what kind of sleep, what kind of sleep environment, what kind of stimulus?

Now, the big key word right now is sleep. Like everyone, this is the viral content in health, I feel like the aura ring in your sleep patterns. I believe in that sleep is a very good thing. I tend to get a good amount of sleep even though I wake up early. I also get to bed really early. Is this all bullshit about sleep? Is it really actually that genuinely important? Because think about the, the reason I have to be of military.

They don't, they don't, they didn't list sleep there. Yeah, but think about military. Our military doesn't let our guys and girls rest. Like, they're on what? High alert. They're also under trauma, too. Let's be real. But I'm not even talking about time of war.

Like all of my friends that have ever gone in the military, like it is like at max you're getting six hours at max but it with quality sleep and and that is okay so the body needs to flip into off mode it does need to turn off in you know sometimes i i go really deep in my mind and i joke about the the idea that this is just a computer and it's been programmed how it's been programmed and it needs to have downtime like it's not in your best interest to walk around with your laptop on all the time either like it's just how it's got it off when you put it in your bag and give it a rest another you know you know So just things like that. You want to keep functioning? Yes, you need to take a break. Okay. Sleep, the quality is very important. And I tell everyone that I work with, your day starts when you go to bed. So, explain.

Thursday, today's Wednesday, Thursday starts tonight when I go to bed. If I decide to do some work or go out or talk on the phone for whatever or just get into something, which I love to get into things. And I'm going to stay up till midnight. I just decided how Thursday's going to go if I'm getting up at 5.30. And that's a big one because people have FOMO. I encourage Jomo.

The joy of missing out. Like, tell me about it in the morning when I'm really rested and I can hear about every detail. And not always, but you have to pick and choose. And it really is the part of us that especially as entrepreneurial, minds, we are in our imagination. We are like, I don't know how old your kids are, but five or six year olds all the time. I'm like, what's your right? I do. I don't know. I want to learn something.

I don't know. I'm going to do this. I'm going to see. I want to be a part of that. And I need to balance this. I need to understand what my needs are. I remember I had a, I had a client at one time. This is when she was on her first startup. She's like, on her fifth or six now. And she came into my office in New York. when I had a physical office. And she laid down like it was the therapy office. Like, I'm like, okay, this is not really how this is. She laid down on the couch and was like, I have to go to this party.

I was up to a four. And she was like crying about her holiday party and where she needs to go. And I was like, hey, do you see this? Like, you're going to have to recover of your own rushes. You need to find the balance. And it was her, she resisted that for a really long time. Most people do. They want to be superhuman.

That's right. I am the one to believe that a superhuman like an X-Men, right? What happens with the X-Men when they're in the normal world before they get found, right? Like the guy with the psych, what is his? Zycloths. Yeah, he's like lasering things. Like he doesn't know how to control it, but they give him in the glasses and he goes, oh, okay. You know what he means?

Great analogy. Yeah, I have a bit. I do this with sensitivity. He could actually think about the movie and what he was doing and all. Great analogy. Well, I think about sensitivity and people's, awareness and entrepreneurs being those kind of thinkers as kind of like X-Men, like super humans, right?

I'm stealing a lot from you today. This is great. This is a great episode. By the way, make sure everyone's following Rachel Harvest, the Harvest method. Let everyone know now. Where can everyone find you? Everyone's like me, like, wow, this is great. Where can they find you?

Theharvest method.com is our practice. Theharvest Method.com. And the Instagram is at the Harvest Method. What about you? How do they find you? I'm doing that intentionally because you are the brand in my opinion. It's true. And it's funny because when it comes to Instagram, my private one is private.

Oh, LinkedIn slash Rachel Harvest. Rachel Harvest on LinkedIn. Yeah. Okay. So let's get back to this because I think this analogy is phenomenal. And look her up, get to her website. If this is intriguing to you, because I'm really intrigued about this idea. Because I call them high drivers, but you're calling them entrepreneurs and you just used a word.

Superhuman. Superhuman. Yeah. Well, you're high octa. You're using your humanity. You're using what this thing is designed to do. You know, when we are, when we arrive here, we are taking in information constantly. I don't know if this is appropriate for your podcast, but I always say, like, kids under the age of five are like on a permanent acid trip.

Like, they're like, what is this? That's so hard. I watch my two-year-old son all the time look around. Like, I'm like, bro, I want that feeling. Yes. What did he eat? Can I get one? Yeah, and then you start to get into life in your imagination.

Like, who do you want to be when you grow up? Where do you want to go? And kids are so creative. And they're entrepreneurs don't lose that. And it's not delusional. It's how our brains are designed to work. We're supposed to find solutions. We're supposed to break through ceilings.

Like, that's what technology is. You told me I couldn't do that. Here it is. You know, that's what entrepreneurs do. Like, we go out there and we find a solution and we do things that aren't the Normie way. Sometimes I, you know, I do the Harry Potter reference of like, you know, there's nothing wrong with being a muggle, but I'm not a muggle.

Like, I'm a magical person. I don't even know what a muggle is. So I don't really know Harry Potter very well, but I do know that the muggles are like the normies of the world. Like people who do like regular stuff. You know? Not a probably not a bad way to be. Is it where I've watched one single mini of any of those movies? Is it weird that I don't watch television and I just make references by

listening to people sometimes? Like I literally don't turn the TV on. Well, yeah. I can respect that. We're superhuman, but it's the part of us, the human part that you're bringing up is that's part of us. But we live in a state. I believe most of the listeners, the people like myself, like yourself, I would argue we have something actually wrong with us because we do try to go be superhuman. Okay. So in order to be superhuman, to be the force within you that, like, I mean, think about it.

Like, you as a human are, even just science. It's like your parents made you, right? Let's go way, way, way, way, way back. Something made it all, right? I don't know what you want to say about that. But that force is within the person that's standing in front of you, no matter who you're looking at. And some people are trapped into it and some people aren't.

The truth is, though, that the body doesn't last. So it's more about the balance of how do I nurture and take care of this thing while I use this brain and my abilities out here, you know? And one of the things that I really delved into for a long time and spent a lot of time with is the idea of highly sensitive people, people who, you know, have deep empathy, notice the nuances and things, take time to process, I being one, right? And that we have to hone that. It is definitely not a handicap, but it can be. If you're highly sensitive and you need time to process and you move really fast, you're done. What about your idea of being highly sensitive by protecting yourself?

You try to go, you go for the superhuman almost as a shield to protect. I'm using the Cyclops because I think this, his superhuman power was the lasers from his eyes. And then he puts on his, I don't even know what you call it, it's called it glasses, right, to stop it from just automatically coming out, which is to me this idea of being super sensitive, but protecting yourself, right? I tend to think I myself, so the reason I'm asking that, because I'm respectfully and humbly, like I pretty dialed in emotionally.

I'm pretty sensitive, like, I will cry. But I almost feel like the reason why I push so hard, I do try to go superhuman, I do go for the glory, I do push. To some extent, I feel like that's my defense mechanism. Well, it is, but we can defend. Okay. Like, it is and it isn't.

Like, it's a balance, you know? I'm more concerned about the person who's not emotional or the person who's overly emotional. One is not emotional. I almost feel like, well, I have friends that are that emotional. But like, to some extent in my space, when you're not, I almost feel like you're just a sociopath. Like, you've just killed all your...

It's pretty extreme, but it's a very emotional. but it's a version. I mean, it's like the extremes, right? There's, there's a borderline personality as a person who has no control over their emotional states, right? Like at a diagnosis. Sure.

You know, a narcissistic personality or a sociopath or now we call it antisocial personality, that would be somebody in the other extreme. It's more that like, and this, again, we go back to the dialectical behavior therapy. It's, it's, there's logic mind, and there's emotion mind,

and then there's lies mind. And there's a combination of the two. It's knowing which one you're in and which one you lean towards more. If we just, you know, identify males and females in a generic way, women tend to lean towards their emotional side and men tend to lean towards their logical side. But if a man is feeling overly logical and completely lacking emotional intelligence, it's no different than that woman who literally can't walk out of the house because she's crying. It's not different.

It's an extreme manifestation. So that's part of, I'm sure, that either the way you were raised, or your life to this point taught you how to be with your emotions too. Well, let's talk about this idea of burnout. Yeah. Can people burn it? Like, do they try not to go emotional because they feel like they're going to burn out and be too emotional? But I think burnout, why do a lot of us tend to burn out?

It's cool that you brought that up with emotions because emotions are messages, it's energy emotion, I like to say, right? and they're telling you something from your subconscious. So if you, like yesterday I got very irritated because I had so much plan for the day, but I wanted to play tennis in the morning. And I got like knocked up the side of the head with all this stuff right before I left. And I was really angry. I was really, really, really angry. And I was like, you know what?

My subconscious just really wants to be selfish right now. Like just really wants an opportunity to be selfish. and it feels frustrated. So anger is a secondary emotion, but frustration's happening for me right now because I'm not giving the best boundaries. They're poorest right now, and that's on me. It's not about people coming to me.

It's on me not having the boundaries that I need so that my emotional state will stay neutral, right? And boundaries are a thing for a lot of people when it comes to emotions and burnout, not paying attention to your emotional state, not understanding it, hating certain emotions or being afraid of them. Like, I hate disappointment. Yeah, people please are.

Well, yes, I would say that. I don't like being disappointed. So I like to project amazing qualities under individuals that they do not even remotely have. And then I to pause myself and say, wow, it's going to be really hard, but I have to see what's in front of me right now. Right. And accept it and process that day. disappointment because this is your least favorite emotion, but it's the one you need to work on, you know, because otherwise the rest goes off, right? And I'm, it's, it's how we're built,

you know, humans are emotional beings. It's part of what makes us human. So if you're tuned to it, understand it, and build your EQ, you are superhuman. Because you're letting your emotions lead your logic and your logic understand your emotions. Well, there's a fine line between over-emotion and no emotion. I think there's, in the circles I play in, it's definitely closer to no emotion, right? I'm not saying they're totally, but how do you fix that? Like, at what point is this now detrimental when you were basically emotionless? You tend to be a machine.

There's no emotion your decision-making. Everything becomes rational. everything is a rational, reasonable decision. There's no emotion involved. How does that become detrimental? So I just thought that, I thought about that personally when you said that. Like I had to go through that space and myself like drive, drive, like survive. And really completely logic driven, like completely in the zone.

And I used to even say to myself my favorite thing when when I was a ballet dancer, like my favorite thing about performing was that you have. had it so programmed in your body that you went out there and you did the thing in a complete flow state and then you almost come to when the audience claps and you're like wow like I just did that I was present for it and I can you know I remember the lights and I remember the feeling of it but I really it's like something took over right and this is great this is a great state to be in and we need to come down from that state. Like we need to actually, where was I in that?

You know? And that's typically for people who get to burnout or where I was like just a lot of unprocessed experience, my emotions just got really big. Like they got, and I like to say if it's hysterical, it's historical. Like yesterday when I was upset about somebody contacting me, that anger was so silly. Like, it's a silly that notch anger. But historically, people needing me and not having boundaries, I can think of, and some of them in extreme situations.

That's historical. I'm not through that. I didn't process that, that that didn't work for me and learn my lesson in that. So it's how we hear and are present in our bodies to our emotional states or how our body feeling too. Like sometimes it's like anxiety for me is always under my solar plexus or under my rib cage. I can feel it like pulsing there. And if that's happening and I'm like sitting and you know watching the waves at the beach, I'm still anxious. It doesn't matter because my body doesn't think. My brain does. My central nervous

system, my brain and the rest and then the, you know, all the nerves after that. My brain can think and process, but my body is completely responding without that intellect, you know. So if my body is telling me something, it's making me aware of my physical response to my environment, and that's going to be based on how I feel about my environment. So that's why when you get in the zone and you really force and focus, it's great. But like you mentioned for you in the morning, you journal. that's how you feel about it. Yeah, I think I've seen, and this is my own experience, and so this may just be too small of a subject or grouping of people,

but the people that go overly non-emotional to rationale, I feel like there's other parts of their life or things that blow up. Yes. Because of everything becomes a reasonable or rational decision. We have no emotion when we make the decision. and then I just see that and that may or may not work in business right to be able to take the emotion out of it

you're just making a black and white decision no emotion a lot of people try to lean into that argument for business is make decisions emotionless so you're in a vacuum I think there's merit to it and you go too far I just see other things of their life whether business or otherwise

relationships start to blow up because I think and I'm not you and I don't have the background but I just you know kind of common sense It's like you have so lack of emotion that the emotion explodes because it's been pushed down for so long. Correct. On very random people at very random times during it with no like point. Or you destroy.

I mean, destroy situations. Again, like those, those dialecticals, like part of it is interpersonal, right? If you're overly emotionless, you disconnect. You're not, you're not tapped in to the other humans. in your environment. And to be honest, like, depending on what kind

of business someone is doing, let me think about it. Anybody that comes to mind that you find successful, they are tapping into other people's emotional states. Okay. Right?

I mean, what do you have to sell? Something that, I mean, if you go sales, sales, like hit the pain point, right? But if you think about it, you're really giving somebody something that they're missing

and what you can provide will make a difference for them. If that's real for you and you're truly, you know, integrity about what you provide, then you're looking to see the emotional state of another person. And you may use logic, but you're actually using your logic to study their emotions. So it's interesting when people are very close interpersonally with family or close friends

or their significant other other children or like these type of relationships to take the, to swing completely logical and like you're telling the weather in those situations. do you see how that's not authentic? Like it doesn't, it's, it's a sign that you are overwhelmed. It is a sign that you're not able to be with that emotion. And for some people, like I mentioned before, that my least favorite is disappointment. Some people can't be with love.

Some people can't be with happiness. They're like, it's right next to fear of losing, right? So they're like, I don't want to feel like, I can't. I want to blow this up. I don't want to rationalize this. I have my favorite one. My favorite one from men that I hear a lot is, I'm building a business.

I don't have time for a relationship. And it's like, by the way, skill building, buddy. Like, you know, it's like, you know what the multitask, but like this is a skill of life. Sure. To be able to have relationships whilst building something, you know. So, but the excuses there because they're so afraid of what's going to happen emotionally taking them off their game.

It is not because they don't have time and space. It's typically because what's in front of them scares them. Yeah. You know, and that's, and that applies to women, too. I mean, obviously, I just gave that example. Yeah, I mean, it's more common to men. I mean, I remember. Well, logic in my, what was that?

I was probably early to mid-30s. And I remember the time talking to my business partner, one of my best friends, still incredible friends today, right? Like, just lifelong friends. I remember telling you, I'm like, I'm okay if I never have kids. I've lived a great life. I've traveled. I've had all these amazing experiences.

And I'm going to be totally fine if I don't have kids. now I have two kids and married and I'm like I don't they even understand who that person was like how could you not want this amount of love yeah well and the responsibility and the fear that shows up oh lord that's a human so goes back to what you're saying yeah the fear of if it fails or am i going to fail am i going to be a bad parent am i going to be a bad husband what if she leaves me and all these other crazy characteristics that come in your head that are basically made up because they're scared of it so it leans into this almost unhealthy practice emotionally to say, fuck it, I'm just going to build a business and I don't need to get married and I don't need kids and I don't need it. No. I mean, I think it's really like this is a part of having it all in life is having the experience of all the emotional states and and building things and I think legacy or not. Right. I think that what's the drive? You're why behind too? I mean, it can be money. That's fine. But that's not going to sustain you if you're always just about the money you're making.

You know what happens when people get real money, like billionaires? Yeah. They end up giving it away because it doesn't do anything. Right. Okay, now I can buy everything. Right. I won that level of video game. Now there's these other levels to play.

Yeah. And those are the best examples of like, oh, I'm so money and money. And you go, there's a level where you just could care less. Right. And it's just there's just others more to it, you know? And that's why I say, you know, the most successful and even serial success entrepreneur is someone who has a huge why behind it. And that the why is from a healed place.

Okay. So here's a great example. And when I heard her say this, I'm not a Swifty, but I heard her say and I was like, that's it. Taylor Swift admitted in, I think that first documentary that she did

that the reason why she's so successful is because she is obsessed with people liking her. She needs to be liked. And it was really interesting because over time, like in her recent self, right, she's obviously very confident and she's built this crazy community and like almost like a cult, but it's a good one, I guess. Sure.

You know, and she has talent. She puts in these great shows. And she's past that. You can tell she now is like zero full given. Like she's like, I wanted to connect. Yeah. That's what it was. It wasn't just being liked.

In fact, I don't want to be liked. I prefer people to have a very strong preference about me. But no, I am not going to. because being liked is more than likely going to be shape-shifting into what the person in front of you wants out of you or from you, right? Got it. So it's interesting that the shift into this superhuman that everybody knows Taylor Swift went from an unhealed desire for whatever reason to be seen and liked to an ability to sustain that level of attention and audience because she's so empowered. I mean, she's incredible. I now have become a 50 because my five-year-old daughter loves her.

I want to go back to your client who came into your office, blew in your office, on the ground, emotional breakdown. Oh, my God, I've been up until 4 in the morning. I got to go to the, what was she going through? Right. And then what were the answers for you to say, here's things that we need to fix? Because I'm not saying I've ever been in that exact position, but there are moments that I've pushed so far and so hard that like the meltdown is imminent

and so what was your answer to her and then maybe generalize like when you are pushing at overtime and everything's excessive to get through get through the project build the business get it up get the launch do the thing Christmas parties and then I got meetings and I still got to be able to be a parent and you just get to this point of like you are going to combust what was your advice to her and then what would you give advice to the entrepreneur that is at that level pushing at that time she was obsessed with being the best getting attention and i guess is kind of the liking thing but like being cool sure yeah like you know like being invited to all the things meant that she had purpose and meaning um that if she was

the best of the best of the best, it turns out, that would protect her from her critic. Herself. Her inner critic was and was debilitating. Debilitating to her. And, you know, she was raised by two very, very successful A-type parents. And they instilled that in her as the best way, you know, to go, go, go, go, turn off the emotional state. here you are and succeed be the best and this person initially came to me because she has a binge eating disorder so by the end of the day when her systems would power down and her resistance would drop off

her emotional state would come up and then she would try to stuff it down physically so she would behaviorally yeah when i think fast and quick and yes you know and anything and everything or typically unhealthy it that that's more about the behavior of stuff like quickness and oftentimes sugar on very dopamine inducing foods would be something that someone does but people binge drink people binge a lot of things you know they binge watch tv they do excessively and quickly for for a long period of time where the time of the day it's a sitting in it is typical it's a behavior that someone is doing to avoid their self-criticism and their negative viewpoint of the world themselves and emotion.

Okay? So the really interesting thing about unraveling that with a person is that underneath it, they're not tuned to who they are or what they really want because they're completely identified with their performance. and it's like listen I can say someone who's as someone who's done a lot of really cool things performatively who I am is like a goofy creative um super you know imaginative person that's like going through the world looking for connection and just wanting to understand people and wanting to like really understand them help them understand it in myself, help myself understand this body, this car that's driving me

around this planet and how to keep it going. Like, that's what it's always been about. Like, yes, could I, did I, did I perform professionally as a ballerina? Yeah, but I really like the physics of how to do pirouettes. Oh, that's how it works. Oh, that's not how it works. Okay, that's how this body does that. Right. And, and for me, that's always been what has driven me. Like, understanding myself and understanding humans. But have I achieved and performed well in many ways? Yes. When it has been about how I performed and whether I won,

those have been the moments where emotion and or self-sabotage have come in. That's the overeating. That's the over-drinking. That's the binge watching. Now, I have friends that they'll crush a series on a, you know, they binge watch. Is it actually? Because the way you framed it right now in terms of binge-watch. on things, sounds unhealthy.

Could it also just be like, they just didn't really want to go do anything in the day? That's different. Okay. We call, I shouldn't have brought that one because we call it binge watching, but I don't know that someone... On a Saturday. I mean, maybe someone like an equivalent to a food or alcohol or drug binge would be, or sex or something, would be like someone watching a Netflix series on 4x and like staring at the screen and keeping it taking it all there. That would be... That's worth.

that. Nobody's doing that. But it's these things that it's like, I'm going faster and trying to take in and push down is the energy of that behavior. There's also the energy of someone refusing, like over fasting, being anorexic, not eating at all, you know, and that energy is much more about this botched sense and theory, you know, valid to probably someone very young who doesn't have the logic to go with it that oh I have a need but I don't know what it is so maybe if I just don't need things at all right and oftentimes that's overly caretaking you for other people you know smoke and mirrors about being very skilled at something you know that's usually paraprofectionism a type personalities can be that type of a person too

and this is again this is neither gender there's now there's the overly and the one meal a day and you know what you mean like getting shrug back to the extreme things and it's like this this is your way of saying how do I make this body not need stuff like I want it to perform without the basics needed and and that is an energy thing about the extreme fear and discomfort of being like I need something and I just don't know what it is that's what's underneath that right so so all of these sort of I mean that's scary Yeah. There's fear in that.

Like if I have a need and I'm like, especially if you make it historical, there's a need present. I know that's been met and it feels like if I don't have it met, I'm not going to make it. Right? Would this be where they need to go find a Rachel Harvest? Yeah. I mean, I mean, because I think it's whether it's, I want to say psychology, but whether it's going and finding a psychiatrist. Psychiatry is chemical. You know, the chemical needs.

Psychology is about a lot of, about how we think, right? I lean into this more than I would lean in. So I've done a lot of psychotherapy because of childhood stuff like that trying to get out what I pushed down. That was really great for me. In terms of this superhuman that we all become as entrepreneurs, I believe more in what you do with the behaviors and analyzing this. and why are you doing that? Why are you binge eating? Why are you binge drinking or whatever these extremes?

What are they? Whatever. Why are you doing anything you do? Now, you got it too simple of a question for you as the therapist. You say, Justin, I see that you're binge eating. Why do you do that? Is that too simple or does that start to? No.

It would be more like, first of all, the next time, like if something like that, first of all, the next binge starts when you start judging it and you start restricting. Like, so let's pause where. we're at it's over and done put a pin in it it's a past okay what happened over the course of this many days that day or is there anything you can pinpoint that like super triggered you and do you know how you felt about that trigger because literally every single habit every habits are ingrained behaviors right there's a trigger there's an emotion and then there's something you do this part you can always trade out. You really can. That's why, you know, I say I get really into things.

I trade out my, I get into how to take care of myself, but how to balance it too. Like I'll use that instead of, you know, some sort of negative self-talker or some, I don't know, bad habit that takes me down a dark alley, you know, because that would be because I'm feeling stressed and overwhelmed, I want to do a behavior, right? What triggers me, like I said, the phone call when I'm trying to go do something for myself triggered frustration from the past. Right.

Creates that trigger. And it's, but in general, we're sort of conditioned into thinking, like, especially now in a dopamine land. People are just like, no, I mean, I don't know now. Like, and it's, it's, your text broke. You're malfunctioning. Sorry. If you're, if you're

on a dopamine high all the time and you're strolling or you're using drugs or you're, you know, needing to be stimulated, stimulating suddenly right now all the time. Like there's, we have to restructure your nervous system because you're always activated. What about what, let's bring you back to the start of the conversation, caffeine. Am I over stimulating by having four or five cups of coffee a day? At four or five probably over.

Again, why, right? Your why is always a part of your behavior. If it's because you, if you really want to try to lessen it. and see how you do, it's like, this is a part of my me time. Okay, there's other things you can do in your me time. Sure. Right. So you could take that out and see how you deal with like maybe halving it, right?

When I talk about these things, it's like the why brings anything unconscious to the front, right? And we have a lot of behaviors that we have in life that because we do similar things on a daily basis or because we do respond to routine and rhythms in a way. They aren't beneficial to us. And we just do them because we want to feel better. Or like literally, the dopamine bit that everybody is going to right now is, by the way, humanity, you're overwhelmed. Yeah. Tone it down.

I will tell you why I drink so much coffee is partly habitual, partly addiction, right? Caffeine and addiction. Partly the habit of doing it. To your point, like this morning, I had a decap just because I wanted another one, but I didn't want the caffeine. So I had a decaf. So the habitual doing. But the other part is that superhuman piece we talked about. Also, caffeine doesn't do this to me anymore, so a little bit is this still habitual.

But like, I need to go win. I need to go push. I need to be dialed in for this podcast and we're about to go do with Rachel. I need to have this meeting on did or da da, and I need to be able to get this spreadsheet out. And I need to be able to so that like I need to go to superhuman. To some extent, I believe coffee like believe, right? I think it's more of a belief than it actually gets me there. Helps me do that.

Okay. Got it. so give me some i think i don't want to say i need to i need to i need to is part of it like just the place to look a little bit why what happens if i want to perform oh here we go i want to perform at the highest level so that i can't be judged that i didn't perform well got it so it's about somebody else they're going to judge you anyway i mean this is again this is where i feel like i'm a little bit more in touch with all this kind of stuff because this also comes back to my childhood right so i need to be able to go hard and fast and win and and show because i wasn't shown that love and cherished as a

child you know same right and it's funny the other day i was going hard at something like and i was taking notes i was like doing yeah i have a lot going on and i literally paused for a second and wrote it at like a legal pad. I'm so proud of you. I just wrote it at the top because that's that part of me needed that. Yeah. You know and that's all that matters. Right. So that's why I say if you're, you're unsure of whether you could perform without caffeine. There's fear that the lack of the caffeine will make you underperform, which will mean you will be judged, unloved, not good enough da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da to go on the bubble. Right? So I'm here to say, I'm proud of you and you're doing a great job and you're going to achieve. And is there a time

in space where you can try this out that you don't put a chemical into your system to make that happen and actually maybe trust that you're fully capable? And again, you know, the extreme stuff can, you know, people dabbling in things that are extreme. I don't know, I can dabble on extreme. That's a word thing to say. But, you know, like thinking that they shouldn't do this ever, you know, that's fear too, um, that the minute I go off my game, I will lose, right? Instead of being able to stay and maybe I have two cups of coffee today. Maybe, you know, I go out my friends on Saturday, even though, you know, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday is really big for me. I just want to go have some fun and I'll, you know, get some rest on Sunday and I'll balance everything

out. So that's a good balance. That is a good balance. And that's a way to turn. But the part of you that judges yourself again is the best version of the worst part of you. It's your judge being like, hey, Justin, you sure you're good as this? You sure you're going to make it? Are you sure they're not going to find out? You're totally not? You know, like, and it loves to tell us that, right? But then it's like you don't need to prove anything to that.

You just need to really own that whatever, like, you as a human, don't need to perform at all. You can want to. And if you do, you probably oscillate between the part of you that's, like, forcing you so that you, you know, don't get judged or that you're judged positively, right? And the part of you that's like, but man, this is a fun game. This life thing is just a fun freaking game. And it is. It's like, you know, I, like, it's really silly. Like right now, I don't know why.

Yes, I do. We're expanding my practice, taking it nationwide. So I just sat back in December and I said to my assistant, one a week, we're applying, getting a license in every state. We're just going to be licensed every single state. And we're like trucking along, right now, right? And I'm like, this is my funny dopamine at the moment because I'm like, I don't do this at all. Like, there are billions of people. Like, we don't have that much room for clients and patients, right?

but I just want to do it. Because it's a fun thing to do in the game that is Rachel Harvest's life this year. You know? And I think that when we approach anything we're building, anything we're doing, anything we're especially learning in life with that curiosity and with that, like, fun, we're way more in the part of ourselves that sustains. Whereas if it's because we have to in order to get somewhere, you're going to burn out from that because it's tiring, right?

It's stressful. Yeah. So good, so good. Rachel Harvest. Make sure you go to theharvest method.com. Find her on LinkedIn as well. Get in front of her. I mean, I just had my own therapy session here. And there's so much more to go.

So what would be one final, let's go back to superhumics. I think there's a lot of us that feel that part. What would be one final message to the person that needs to go superhuman? Discern. When's the right time? No. know when to pull the trigger. Like, discern your environment, discern, like, see what's in front of you, you know.

Watch, like, watch the rhythm and the energy of things. And you don't have to go with the current, obviously, you're probably going against it if you're doing something new and innovative. But discern when to pull the trigger and listen for it. You know, there is a beauty in waiting. like there is a beauty in having a boundary with yourself and others and your time and things till you really sense that it's it and you can probably think in your own experience that there are moments that you went ahead of that and then you're like oh gosh it was so funny i'm superhuman too too early yeah it's like and again know thy audience right if i'm superhuman

and i'm trying to you know get here with this person in this moment because that's is available to go to the next thing like i may not be doing it something with someone who's on my level and moving with me so they're going to deter me if I let them, you know? So it's really discernment. I think the other thing I could say is that life is about relationship and it's a relationship to everything. It's a relationship to your body. It's the relationship to the way you care for yourself. It's a time. It's a tool, guys. It is a tool. Like it, we made it up. Like time's a tool. So relate to it as such, you know. Relate to other humans as, you know, the reciprocity of relationship, giving and taking yes, but like,

how do we grow together? And what, what is it, what, what value add do I have to this and what value add do they give me? Like, it's really important to discern that. And the, the more successful and the further along you get and the more experienced and, and effective in life, you do find that discernment shows you there's not a lot that you keep close to you like you you definitely have your crew and your people and your in your your behaviors and and the things that you do that really sustain you but you do tend to push more out and that's okay it's just not for you it's not that there's something wrong with it and the discernment really does show you what's next it's being shown to you do you feel that yeah like if you talk to me gosh now 20 years ago

Choo-choo's ballet. I had no idea I was doing anything that I've done past it. I had no plan whatsoever. And then step after step after step. Like, yes, tragedies happened. Experiences happened. I learned lessons. And I just kept growing in my experience and what I do.

And I built something from it. And it is me. And I found other people who share what I believe in. And I train them to further do that. And it just naturally has been moving in that direction because I'm responding to life instead of trying to force it. You're not reacting and responding. Rachel Harvest. Harvest Method is the name of the game.

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