The Entrepreneur DNA - Why Your Old Identity Has to Die Before Your New Life Can Begin | Nathaniel Cilley

Episode Date: August 12, 2026

Book a free 15-minute consultation at manifesttherapy.com. Nathaniel Cilley is a licensed mental health counselor, psychedelic therapist, and manifestation coach based in New York City, and he's joining our School.kol.com community to help entrepreneurs work through fear and mental roadblocks. In this episode we cover: What Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy (REBT) is and how it differs from CBT Why entrepreneurs get stuck in fear of failure and fear of judgment The lies we tell ourselves to avoid taking action How identity, not circumstance, drives most of our limiting beliefs Psychedelic therapy, neuroplasticity, and the healing potential of altered states Doctor Hawkins' scale of consciousness and moving from scarcity to abundance The DCA (Direct Chief Aim) method for reprogramming your subconscious Why the old version of you has to "die" for the new one to emerge If this episode resonated, share it with two friends who need to hear it. About Nathaniel: Nathaniel Cilley is a licensed mental health counselor based in New York City, a psychedelic therapist, and a manifestation coach. He specializes in Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy (REBT) and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), helping clients work through anxiety, phobias, and fear of failure by challenging the beliefs behind them. His work now blends traditional psychotherapy with consciousness work, psychedelic integration, and manifestation coaching to help people reprogram limiting identities and align with what they actually want in life. Connect with Nathaniel: Website: manifesttherapy.com Instagram: @manifest_therapy YouTube: @manifest_therapy   About Justin: Justin Colby is the host of The Entrepreneur DNA and The M.O.R.E Show podcasts and a best-selling author. He is a serial entrepreneur and a seasoned real estate investor with over 20 years of experience. Driven by a passion to help entrepreneurs thrive, Justin created the Entrepreneur DNA community to support business owners in building wealth, systems, and long-term freedom. Through his podcasts, books, education platforms, and hands-on mentorship, he continues to help entrepreneurs scale with clarity and confidence. Connect with Justin: Instagram: @thejustincolby YouTube: Justin Colby TikTok: @justincolbytsof  LinkedIn: Justin Colby Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

What is up the entrepreneur DNA family? I'm back with another incredible guest. My next guest will be helping us do a lot of different things mentally, like overcoming fear and breaking through our own constraints. So this guest is actually a licensed mental health counselor. He is also a psychedelic therapist as well as a manifestation coach. And he knows how we deal with fear and how we have roadblocks. And he can actually help us out.

Nathaniel Silly is here. What's up, dude? Hey, thank you so much for having me, Justin. This is awesome. I can't wait to get started. Yeah. I mean, listen, your lifelong work and getting licensed in the mental health space is really important. I think we all are very aware of the importance nowadays and how common mental health, you know, issues with mental health can actually be in us entrepreneurs. We're no different than any other human, right? We just chose to be entrepreneurs than, right? rather than working for a job. But walk us through kind of this, your, you know, bridge between my introduction, you're a licensed mental health counselor, but then you're also a psychedelic therapist, and you're also a manifestation coach. You're bridging a lot of gaps here.

Talk us through a little bit of that. Yeah, great question. Man, where do I start? I guess going back from the very beginning, I knew as a kid that I wanted to be a therapist before I had any concept of what that was. So I used to do like therapy on my Beanie babies back in the 90s. There you go. I hope you still have them.

They're probably worth a ton of money, by the way. You know, I still have the tags and everything. I think they're hanging out at my mom's attic in a big bin. You could be really rich and you don't even know it. Yeah, maybe I can just sell those off. No doubt anymore. Although I would still do this for free, even if I, if I, if I marry rich.

But anyway, yeah, I was just really into it. And I got into psychology at a young age, did it in high school. I took a couple of classes. And then I went to my undergrad and graduate school getting certified to be like a therapist. And then later, I just fell in love with cognitive behavioral therapy, which is like a very, very strong evidence-based. type of therapy. It's pretty common now about how our thoughts actually are responsible for the most part how we feel rather than the situation at hand. So like me, I don't do anything a little bit. I have

to go all in. So I read every book I could on it. And then I realized here in New York City, where I live, the Albert Ellis Institute is an institute where you can get certified in a type of therapy called Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy, which is REB. and CBT at the same time. I didn't have to go all the way to the Beck Institute in I think Philadelphia. So I went there for one class and I just completely sipped the Kool-Aid and liked R-E-B-T even better. If you want me to tell you about the differences, I'd be happy to just to make it short. I went all the way three and a half years getting all the programs and certification underway. And it really helped tremendously with my clients because I was

specializing and working with anxiety in particular and phobias. And I think a lot of people that I work with, especially a lot of engineers and people that like, you know, something like the mind, which is so nuanced and out there and having like kind of like a formula where they could think about their thinking in a concrete way. Okay, I can identify my beliefs. I can challenge them. I can replace them and I feel like immediately better. And so I built a whole career around that for a while. And then something just came over me. I don't know if it was a video on

YouTube or whatnot, just about consciousness. And I thought, oh, this is really cool. Sort of going down a rabbit hole, learning more about consciousness and studying kind of the laws of energy, quantum physics, and with the double slit experiment,

the observer effect from Einstein, how the nature of reality is all a response to our own consciousness. So that kind of like took the R-E-B-T and then just blew the whole lid off of the whole thing. I was like, oh, wait, R-E-B-T was helping people identify and challenge their beliefs to influence how they feel with whatever's happening to them. And now I'm learning that in consciousness, whatever's happening to us is just a mirror of our dominant emotional state and what we're focused on, me can actually rearrange reality according to what

we're putting in our mind. So it was a way to, I think RABT was helping to better cope with the system and then manifestation coaching was helping people transcend the system. What is RABT again? Rational and motive behavior therapy. And what would be like, okay, that sounds great, but to the normal person like me, what does that mean? Like if I came to you and said, I want the R-E-B-T, rational emotive behavioral therapy. What would that be? Great question. So let's say you come in and you have a lot of anxiety about starting a new business.

And so I would assume... What are you reading my mind? Are you like... Some wild. Just so wild, yes. Okay, you want to start a new business? So then I would ask, okay, that's the triggering event you want to work on. And I would say, okay, when you're thinking about starting your own business, what's going through your mind?

So you might say, oh, like, you know, I don't know where to start or, you know, okay, so what would that mean if you don't know where to start? Okay, well, then I'm delaying the process. Okay, what would that mean if you're delaying the process? So I do something called an inference chain where I would just ask the client, like, what that would mean about what their initial thoughts are. okay, you think that like you're starting your business, all right? It's taking a lot of time. Okay, what would that mean if it takes a lot of time? And then they say, I feel like I'm falling behind.

And what if you're falling behind? Oh, well, that would make me a failure. All right. Well, now we got to a core belief system that they're identifying their self-worth based off of when they start the business or comparing themselves to their peers. So we do a lot of identity work where we would challenge. well, if starting your business late makes you a failure, would starting your business on time make you globally a perfect success?

And then most people will say, well, no, that would be unrealistic. Okay, well, then how come the negative extreme is realistic? Positive extreme is unrealistic. So we would use rational thinking to help the client be able to dispute and negate their own pathology by just using stoicism. So a lot of REBT came from the stoics like Socrates and Plato and Aristotle. Right. And it also got a lot of foundation in Eastern religion like Buddhism,

separating the self from external variables, accepting reality, what's out of our control. So basically you kind of sieve out through certain targeted questioning what the client is believing about themselves that's playing the biggest role for why they're feeling anxious, but it's just outside of their awareness. They're not aware what they're thinking. They're just kind of reacting to the thought of starting the business. And so then once you get the unconscious beliefs to the surface, you can do a lot of work of

interrogating them, I guess sounds negative, but challenging them and replacing them. And you can actually use logic and reasoning to talk down the anxiety talk track and to replace it with a rational belief system instead. And when you start practicing the new coping skills and affirmations, then unconsciously your belief system changes to a more flexible one so that you're less reactive to the same triggering event. Can you find an RAB therapy like you guys would, it's relatively common. guess is what I'm asking, or is it not very common to find therapists or R-A-B therapist? Because I think this is maybe because I love stoicism, but I think it's really brilliant to be reasonable and rational. Bye, son.

Sorry. No problem. So I think it's really reasonable. Again, the rationale of like, okay, well, why would the extreme negative be true, but the extreme positive couldn't? And then you start to really become reasonable about like, okay, well, that doesn't make sense either, right? So is it common to have RAB therapists across the nation, or is it like a select few of you?

Technically, no, and this is why, because Dr. Albert Ellis, who created RABT in the 1950s, was a pioneer in the cognitive behavioral world because everyone was doing psychoanalysis at the time. And everyone was also, well, not everyone, but a lot of us were using psychedelics back then before the war on drugs. But I'll put a pause on that for the psychedelic therapy part. That came with the consciousness upgrade. Yeah. So he was kind of a pioneer, but then Dr. Aaron Beck, who created CBT in the 1960s. He wanted to just prove that CBT worked with science. So he was doing a lot more of the research where Dr. Albert Ellis just wanted to write a lot of books about it and tell the world about it.

So basically CBT got a lot more of the publicity, the science behind it. It kind of took off. It's basically got better PR. But they're very, very similar. And I can tell you about the difference if you're curious. But CBT is very common to find. REBT, you can find it, but a little bit less common because of where the psychological community has evolved in the cognitive behavioral space.

CBT has the most. So CBT is cognitive behavioral training therapy. There you go. Yeah. And then REB is rational, emotive. behavior. And the difference is like, let's say if you were going into a coffee shop and everybody turned around and looked at you and you felt really anxious, a CBT therapist would probably say

something like, okay, well, what's going through your mind? And you're like, oh, my God, everybody hates me because they're looking at me and I feel so anxious I want to leave. So CBT therapist would say, okay, what do you know to be true? what do you feel to be true? It would challenge the initial inference, which is helpful. And our EBT therapist, I think, is even more helpful because they would say, So what if everybody does hate your guts?

What if everybody does think that you're a loser? Okay. What would that mean? And then they might say, I don't know. Oh, my God, that makes me a loser or everybody has to like me. So it goes a step deeper where we're assuming the client's worst case scenario is true. and helping them not disturb themselves about that. The CBT therapist might help you deal with the thinking errors initially,

but what if the client's right? What if everybody there does think that they're a loser? Then they got no coping skills. But with the RABT therapist, you got coping skills whether everybody thinks you're a loser or whether people don't all think you're a loser, which is probably what's happening. You've got skills no matter what.

So I would rather build people up from their, worst case and still help them heal from that than to kind of stop a couple of steps too early maybe you could argue at times more of a shallower intervention which is why r a bt i was drawn to even more so so i want to talk about this fear of failure it's definitely top of mind for me i speak about it at keynote speeches and i think everyone out there is always talking about you know the reason people don't get started the reason they don't take the risk the reason they don't take that you don't they don't start the business some people won't even go on social media because there's fear of failure or fear of judgment right both both to be true it's the fear um how can we help people

and i know we have a very short time and you probably would be like justin this is it's a very broad subject it would be but like how can we help people overcome fear in the sense of like just getting going right like i i want to help all entrepreneurs is the the impetus of why i started this podcast i want them to get out of their own way whether it's the exes and o's in understanding you know how to become a better marketer and sales and get more clients and make more money and the p and ls great those are the exes and no one of that matters if you don't just push forward and get going and do the thing that you're you're fearful of doing how can we help people overcome that specific to our space of business. Yeah, that's really great. So I guess my next question for you just before I answer is,

do you want the R-A-B-T therapist to answer that? Or the N-I-B-T? That's where I lean. When you just described both of them, yes, both similar. And I could actually, you know, if you were a CBT therapist, I'd say, I like it. But I do like the stoic, like, reasonable, rational side of things. Let's go with the R-E-B-T. And just so everyone knows, if you want to talk to Nathaniel, and I don't know how far you can stretch clientele, but you are in New York. Where can people find you? I'm in New York City, so they can find me at my website, www.manifestherapy.com. And that's also where I do the psychedelic therapy and the manifestation coaching, although now the psychotherapy that I'm doing is more about the REBT is helping people kind of get rid of a lot of those

what we call irrational beliefs or in the spiritual, energetic anchors. So they can kind of rise up in consciousness. And I would be really happy to go more in detail about this later if you want. And then when they're in more higher consciousness, like the more positive emotional states, the game changes where we listen more to the emotional mind than the rational mind. There's a changing of the guards depending on your state of consciousness.

But yes, New York City manifest therapy.com. It's manifest therapy underscore Manifest underscore therapy is the handle for IG and also Instagram. Manifest underscore therapy for IG and Instagram. So let's let YouTube. Yeah, for YouTube as well. Let's lean into fear of failure, fear of judgment. People just getting halted by that, not doing, not, you know, starting a social media,

like Instagram or YouTube or or not leaning into starting the business or not leaning into, really growing the business and pushing forward with full potential versus like pause of fear. What if I fail? How do we help people move forward in spite of the fear? What if you fail? What does that mean? Because the failure isn't making you anxious. Your evaluation of what that means is where the anxiety is coming from.

So we would have to first figure out what are you, what would does failure mean to you? based on my experience, if we're kind of coming up with the hypothetical avatar client here, is that usually the failure is identified, like part of their identity is like, well, if I fail, then that makes me a failure or that means that I'm not good enough. But usually we already have conditional self-esteem. So we often put what we call demandingness. I know in R.E.B.T. Albert Ellis called it shoulding on yourself or must rebating. But when you have the shoulds or the must, I must succeed, I mustn't fail. I should get what I want. We put unrealistic expectations on ourselves, which is not accepting reality. So we're hiring the importance. And then if it doesn't go the way that we want, then we call ourselves a failure, which we call the global evaluation of self. Another way of thinking of it is like black and white thinking or dichotomous thinking. So it's usually the two of them going together. It's like an unrealistic

expectation of the self to succeed and then an identity condemnation, can't even say that word. Putting ourselves down, globally, defining herself by the failure. And then often exaggerating the consequences of the failure, which we call catastrophic thinking or an R-E-B-T, we call awful-y. So there's a lot of different ways that it can shake out. So we would want to, if that were the case first, find a new identity of how you can still view yourself in a positive light, even if things don't always work out. And how to accept what's out of our control and to let go. That is a very stoic is to accept what's out of our control and let go and not be emotional. One of my favorite books is Ryan Holiday's book, obviously.

I'm blanking all of a sudden because he is. Well, there's that. Ryan Hayden's book is the way. The challenge is the way. The hurdle is the way. What is it called? Whatever. We'll move on from that.

Ryan Holiday's book is phenomenal. I'll have to look that up in a second. Oh, the obstacle is the way. Jeez. Ryan Holidays. And it's a very stoic. viewpoint. So if you haven't read that, I would encourage you. Let's talk about something, the biggest lie we tell ourselves to avoid facing our fears. Well, now I'm kind of in between

two identities of the RABT therapist and the manifestation coach, how we would both answer because they're both different dimensions of reality. So the question is the biggest lie we tell ourselves? So we can avoid facing our fears. Let me lie to myself so I don't have to feel this fear or face the fear. Basically, let me lie myself so I have an excuse not to do the thing. But how do you know you're lying to yourself, right? Because sometimes we get so good at lying to ourselves that we think that it's true. And then we end up believing it. So then that kind of brings it back to consciousness, right like we have to have the the conscious awareness to be able to discern when it's our true self talking the higher self or if it's um us deceiving our self and our shadow well let's let's say

i don't i'm never going to be that successful at this business so i'm just not going to do it really is the fear of what if you push forward and fail is really what's happening but they say again, an untruth, right? Meaning they don't know if it's true or not. I'm never going to be successful at this. Well, okay. Oh, go ahead. I'm sorry.

Well, again, I'm not licensed in any shape, but like I sit here and you say, okay, well, if you're going to tell yourself that and your thoughts become your words, your words, become your actions, you won't be successful. You just, you manifested that to happen right now because you just said you weren't going to and you don't know that to be true or false because you never gave yourself yourself the shot to go try to see if you can be successful. you just said that was the truth, so now it's the truth. Well, yeah, you took the words right out of my mouth. Everybody's right. So I like the quote from Henry Ford, whether you think you can do it or you think you can't, you're always right. So if they tell themselves that it's not going to work out for them the business and they believe that

and they feel negative saying that to themselves, then they're literally manifesting that timeline of limitation and scarcity. So they're technically right. But if they believe that they can do it and they connect to their dream more than their nightmare, then the timeline is that they will achieve whatever they focus on. So I think in this case, if this is the manifestation coach online now, everybody's right, just what do you want to be right about? I would rather be right about my dreams being possible rather than being right about than being impossible.

Because what we think and feel when they're in alignment are actually what we create in our reality. So what do you want to be right about? Because when I work with people who are depressed, they are convinced that they are on the scarcity timeline. Limitation, lack, victimhood to me. Everything is done to me. The universe hates me. There's nothing I can do.

I'm a victim. And I don't deny for any second that that is their reality. But there's also another reality that they could jump into where they can actually get out. where they can have whatever they put their mind to, and that the world can actually be abundant, and prosperity is in the cards for them if they believe it. So what do you want to be right about?

So what about this? So if someone's on your couch, right, as a therapist, I don't know. I don't even know if that is this anymore. On the couch. Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. When I was a kid, I went to plenty of psychotherapy. So I remember the couch and the pillow and you hug the pillow.

And it's the whole thing. So for all of you who are wondering, should you do it? I promise you every single person listening to this should whether either reaching out to Nathaniel or someone local to your city that can't help you, whether it's psychotherapy or, you know, herbal medicine that he teaches or manifestation coaching. Like I promise, we all have our issues. Every single one of us. So reach out to Nathaniel or at least he can put you in the right position. When someone does come to you and has all this negative self-talk, they are depressed. It is chemical or not.

How do you treat that person to talk back to that inner critic, to talk back to that bully that's in their head saying they aren't successful? They're not going to make it. They can't do it. Yeah, great question. And also a little side note, if you're in New York, you can see me for psychotherapy. But if you want coaching the whole English speaking world, so I'm no longer held by and limited by licensure. restraints, which is jumping into the abundance. It's a lot more people that way.

That's another sidebar. You have to really connect them to the dream because depression, okay, well, negative emotions are like, you know when you're driving down the highway and you hit the rumble strip on the side that goes, or a little bit too off road, that is what negative emotions are there for. everything in life has polarity. There's hot and cold. There's light and dark. There's happy and sad.

They're all just variations in degree of the same phenomena. So we can't find happiness without being miserable because the misery is just as much of a teacher because it's showing us what we don't want. And the happiness is showing us what we do want. The hard part is that we get so good at saying, why I don't want. I don't want this. I don't like that. I hate this. I hate that. We get so great at that. But when we think about and feel it most of the time, we're manifesting more of that

negative timeline. So if someone comes in depressed, really, well, step 1A is helping them develop hope that they can actually change because without hope, everything that I'm going to teach them is useless. So that's the first step. But the second step is reconnecting. them towards the dream because the depression isn't their fault. The depression is just a sign that they're misaligned with what they're meant to do on this earth and that they're not happy with it. But if we keep focusing on everything that's bad and not going well, then we keep manifesting more and more scarcity, more lack, more victimization. So we have to connect them back to the dream. What if they dig their heels in?

Listen, I'm not a psychotherapist. I'm not licensed, but I've come across my fair share of people at events. I'll get off stage and it'll tell me all the reasons why they can't. And I'll do my best to kind of say, okay, well, you know, very similar to your question line of questioning. But if they just dig their heels in and like just say, it's just not possible. It's just reality that is not possible for me. That's just the reality. That is their reality.

They've created it in their own consciousness. So they're technically right. But we're also right saying that that doesn't have to be their reality. So that's the tricky shift is that they're literally volunteering. Please, universe, please give me more scarcity. Please give me more limitation. Please give me more lack. Show me more proof that I'm right and everyone else.

I'm a victim. They're volunteering for. that timeline. So the hard part is if I say, well, that's not true. Well, now I'm invalidating them. They're not getting better. And then they think I'm an asshole, right? So that's where the stoicism comes in with the R-E-B-T. Because if you think of, man, I wish I had the image with me, Dr. Hawkins scale of consciousness. There's like, if you think of like a, like a rainbow, the bottom consciousness is, you know, shame at the bottom. Then we've got, you know, apathy, fear, anger. And then as it goes up on the scale, we've got the middle ones,

which are like pride, courage, acceptance, and then the higher ones, love, bliss, and ineffables at the top. So the happier we are, the more power we have. The more miserable we are, the less energy and power we have, which is why when we're depressed, we feel like so zapped. Like we can't even get out of bed sometimes. We're so, we're such in a low vibrational state, consciousness. So to answer your question, to try to make this as simple as I can, just think of there being two minds. There's an emotional mind and a rational mind. So the rational mind is looking at observable reality, what we can see, what we can touch, what we can hear, what we can prove to be true through logic and reasoning. The emotional mind uses resonance, what feels true as

truth. So there's two different forms of truth that we have to balance in life to be a happy, complete person. So if we're so deep down in depression, what resonates with us, what feels true are all the horrible things, stay in bed, disengage, socially isolate, right? So we don't really want to listen to the emotional mind. We want to beef up the rational mind, which is why R-E-B-T becomes so helpful and CBT, okay, well, what would that mean if you fail at starting the business? What would that mean if it doesn't go your way? What would that mean? And you ask a series of open-ended questions and teach them how to get the rational mind more online rather than relying on the emotional mind, which is just creating more chaos and havoc in their life, so they can move

up the scale of consciousness. But then as you start moving into the positive emotions, that's when there's a changing of the guards where the emotional mind, what feels true, what resonates with us, starts being the dominant force we want to listen to more and the rational mind starts taking a backseat because a lot of things that make us happy

don't make any rational sense. I could tell you all of the rational reasons why you should be an attorney, nothing wrong with being an attorney, but that doesn't mean it resonates with you, that it feels like it's your calling. So that's when the rationales. rational mind actually starts becoming less helpful and we start justifying things that don't feel

right and holding on. And so then we got to let go of the rational mind. And so you're kind of balancing both. So that's why RAPT is great to kind of move you up the scale, shame, anxiety, guilt, envy, jealousy, anger. Let's rely more on the rational mind. Okay, now you're feeling neutral about it or positive. about it. Let's listen more to the emotional mind and less of the rational mind. And that's how you manifest positive things is when we're in the positive emotional state of consciousness. And the whole game changes. The topic or use of psychedelic therapy has become increasingly popular. Thank God. Yeah. And to the point, a very famous football player, Aaron Rogers, did a whole whole thing on him and his use of ayahuasca and like on Netflix like this is public right this isn't a secret

but to talk to us a little bit more and in you know what are the benefits of psychedelic therapy especially for someone who does suffer from anxiety suffers from depression you know I think to me it seems pretty obvious the world is a absolute mess I think no one would disagree on that point and if you do disagree not bad right if you disagree to that point I don't but you know

it just the world day to day life creates some level of anxiety and what's just the energy of chaos at all times for all things

every day in today's world um creates a certain level of anxiety what do you think all people should have some level of psychedelic therapy to get them

back to like grounded and centered and present no i think it's a very very powerful medicine i don't like to call it a drug no distra sure it's very i think it's right for whoever's called to it whoever's not called for it it's not right for and especially if you have schizophrenia uh you know active bipolar with mania i have i think it the literature goes back and forth, but maybe that's not a great idea. Because when you're knocking on the other realm of consciousness, sometimes it's so overwhelmingly,

like, profound that it can really startle people and if you're not ready for it. And especially have somebody like a shaman or a therapist who can help you integrate what you see. But you know, we're talking about the skill of, Dr. Hawkins' skill of consciousness. I know I'd be a picture like a rainbow, like the red on the bottom and purple up the top and kind of climbing up.

Psychedelics are kind of like the ultimate cheat code because let's say you're depressed or anxious, you're taking a rocket ship all the way to the top of consciousness where you're seeing out of the prism of scarcity, limitation, lack, and seeing yourself in the world through a whole other experience, which is maybe even foreign to you. And you're not just seeing it through the visuals. You're feeling that you're having a felt experience of what that's like, rather than just an intellectual understanding of it, which is one of the tougher points about REBT when we're just dealing with the rational mind.

So then when you come out of it, you're like, can I swear on here? Holy shit. Oh, can you turn here? I was like, I'm a New Yorker. We swear a lot, but yeah, yeah. Holy shit, you know, like I had it. There's so much more to reality than I thought.

Like that it's like it, you zoom so far up and your problem is so insignificant in comparison that it can, it changes people, not just a journey. The journey itself is great. And then you, you, sometimes people talk to. archetypes or deceased relatives that happens to me a lot. I just talk to my grandma that seems to come in through the trip a lot. She's passed away in 2019. Spirit guides. And so your emotions become archetypes, which make them more relatable to the human psyche. They take on personalities where you're literally like interacting with your own emotional state as an archetype, which mother ayahuasca is one of the more common ones that people see in DMT. And it's

also interesting that people see the same types of archetypes through a lot of psychedelic journeys, which is interesting, like, well, why are people seeing these same entities even without prior knowledge of it? So there's a whole other dimension to reality that we are still trying to get our mind around. But what's also great about psychedelic therapy is you get this thing called neuroplasticity, where if you think of the brain being kind of hard and rigid in its way of thinking, psychedelics kind of rattle that up and soften the brain quite a bit. So you can create new neuro pathways in the mind. You get to say, no, I choose who I am.

I choose what my future looks like. I choose what I want to believe about myself and my life and what I don't want to believe. And then we have this neuroplastic window where the brain's more flexible and more receptive. to new beliefs that we can reprogram who we are in. And the subconscious mind, where our emotions are created, is the ultimate dumpster. We dump all the shit we don't want to deal with. The trauma when we were a kid, that soccer coach that was an asshole, what mom did, and just lock it into the subconscious and just bury it there and not want to deal with it.

But then what happens is when we're going through life, we just start reacting. to things we get so angry about something so easily so panicked at the slightest little change oftentimes without having a conscious thought because the subconscious beliefs have been so ingrained in the deeper depths of our mind that we're unaware of all the crap that we've been holding on to sometimes for a lifetime yeah and if you're thinking of different um you know waves of consciousness here The theta is pure hypnosis. That's the theta wave that we're in when we're asleep. And also in the hypnagogic state, when we're in between sleep and awake, you know, right

when we're kind of nodding off at night or when we're turning the alarm off in the morning, you know, when you're half asleep, you're still in hypogogia, which is hypnosis. So you can actually reprogram your mind in that window of time a lot more easily before the self-critic comes on to negate all of it. How do you do that in that weird state? I literally experienced that this morning. I woke up pretty early. So when my alarm went off, everything in me wanted to just say no and crawl in bed.

But I throw my feet out of the bed and I was just like sitting there and this like half asleep, half not asleep. I'm kind of with my mind. I can feel my mind starting to warm up. How do I now what you just said? How do I start to create these new pathways? We call it a DCA. this is the, for the manifesting, a direct chief aim. So I write in present tense who I am. I am

manifestation or psychotherapy. I work with these clients. My lifestyle is this. This is where my, this is what is happening to me right now. It's all present tense. And when I think about it and feel connected to it emotionally in my positive emotions, I'm literally reprogramming my subconscious mind with what I actually want to believe. And psychedelics can help. with that with the neuroplastic window, but also the hypnagogic state is another way that we can take advantage of that or hypnosis as well. So there's many different roads that lead to Rome. But why I brought this up is from zero to about six to seven years of age, we are in permanent theta. As children, all we're doing is downloading from our family and community how to be an adult

without any critical thought or pushback. So all the crap that happened to us, childhood just gets downloaded into the subconscious mind, unquestioned. And we can carry that around in our life for a lifetime. Literally. Careful. And when you go in psychedelics,

for example, you're like opening up the lid of the trash can and all the shit that was buried underneath that. we didn't want to deal with gets drudged up to the surface, which can overwhelm us at times. But thankfully, you know, with the right integration and prep work leading up to the psych, because there's a whole bunch of things you've got to do leading up to the journey, psychedelic journey, and during it to help contain the beast. There's a whole other conversation.

You connect to like these visions and memories of things that happened. and then you have this heightened conscious awareness where you're way up in the consciousness scale. So your mind is really like purging a lot of the crap in the depths of the subconscious and replacing it with these new experiences of it where you might feel different now than you did before because you're in higher consciousness or the neuroplastic window. You kind of let things go a week or two after the psychedelics. Things kind of roll off your shoulders a lot easier. And then with the DCA, when you're reprocessic,

programming what you actually want to believe about yourself every night in that window of neuroplasticity and during the hypnagogic state, I'm really teaching people how to recreate their own reality. And it's like, no, the buck stops here. I decide who I am. I decide where my life is going. I decide what happened to me in the past. And I get to re-narrate all of that. And it's wonderful. It's so empowering than just having to work with whatever we download it unconsciously and just try to not react to things, which isn't really a great long-term strategy. Well, why do people sit in comfort, right, without confronting the anxiety or depression or the challenging thing that, you know, challenging, why are they willing to sit in that comfort instead of confronting the anxiety?

This is identity. You know, So the brain has been programmed to view uncertainty as dangerous. So if you've been operating off of an identity that plays it small, that, you know, money doesn't grow on trees, success is for other people, not me, you know, the haves and the have-nots, I'm the have-nought, right? And then you try to do something about your life, like starting a new business. business. What happens? The old identity starts to pull you in and it gets louder and more obnoxious. This isn't going to work. This is crazy. You're deluding yourself. You're delusional. You know, you're wasting your time. You're just going to feel it gets louder and louder and louder because it's afraid of the change because you're disobeying the bullshit programming that you've

been downloading for God knows how long and consciously reinforcing a lot of all of us are doing it to some extent. So most people think that when the voice, the inner voice gets louder and more obnoxious is a sign to turn away. No, that's a sign you're on the verge of a breakthrough. It gets the most obnoxious when you're about to make the biggest decisions to disobey it. and the more you just observe the thoughts without emotionally engaging in them, you stop energizing the fear and the limitation and the old identity. And it literally starts to fall apart. So like I'm in New York, right?

So I don't want to say a crazy person. When someone comes on with who's going through, you know, a drug problem or screaming and yelling mental health problem on the train, We all know as New Yorkers. What does everybody do? You look straight down on the ground. You don't look at the person. You avoid them.

No contact with the eyes. As soon as you look at them and the eyes, it's over. You know, there's going to be a problem. So they're yelling and screaming. Everyone's looking at their book. They're, you know, their podcasts that they're listening to, the music, talking to a friend, look down on the ground. What happens?

A couple of stops go by and the person gets off the train and all as well. Everybody on the train is a way. that there's someone over in the corner acting out, but we're not focused on it. So you can be a passive observer of your thoughts without being emotionally invested. And so if you think of your limiting beliefs as a toddler crying and yelling in the corner,

what do you do? You just say, go to your room and you come down when you're done crying. This is how I was raised. I thought that that was actually kind of helpful. but you know the kid cries it out and then comes down and then they're fine the parents are aware they're having a temper tantrum in the room but they're not focusing on it because if you focus on it then you're reinforcing it you're energizing it with your attention so we always have a choice of

what to focus our attention on so sometimes in the r eBT it's good to pay attention to the limiting belief so we can bring them up and work through them and then redirect our focus and attention and what we want to believe. But then as we're practicing those affirmations, the old identity is going to keep trying to come online to hook us back into the old stuff. And we can still be aware of it and observing it without emotionally engaging in it

and starving it of attention and reinforcing with our attention the new beliefs that we want to believe instead. And now all of a sudden we're in a new identity, one that we actually want. Yeah. So it's all... Yeah, listen, killing the old you, you know, I have a good friend and he has a program for men that basically his, most of his rhetoric starts with the simple, basic ideology of like the old you must die for the new you to be born. You don't have an option. You want something you've never achieved. You have this grandiose idea, what you want, where you need to go. Well, the person that you have been must die for you to reach those heights.

Yes. A hundred. percent. And just like the seasons, you know, the old leaves have to die off to bud the new ones, right? So this is where a lot of people get scared when they're disobeying the identity. They're saying with the DCA every night what they want, I am a guy who does this or a grown woman who does this, so on and so forth. And then they start realizing that more chaos starts coming into their life. Their current job just feels so insufferable or, you know, things keep happening or they're getting, you know, whatever, you know, let's talking about the job, right?

Just feels more insufferable, the people in their life that they used to get along with, there's an upticking conflict, but, but they don't realize is that when they're saying what they want in their new identity, it's in contrast from the old identity that they've been holding on to. So that has to break away and fall apart to make room for what you actually want to bring in. And so a lot of people, if they're not aware, they might view the change as the old them falling apart as being a bad thing and run back into the old identity and not have the awareness that, no, we're trying to bring in the new thing that you actually want. You have to let it burn. You have to let it die. You have to let the

job go that doesn't serve you. The toxic people that you've outgrown that don't serve you, everything that doesn't fit this new identity has to die and burn away because identity is like the prison that we filter everything through our actions, the world, our self, everything gets filtered through identity. So if you're really trying to bring this new identity and I'm a person who has a successful business, I make X amount of money, I have success, this is what I'm going for, I'm acting like this is true. Well, the old you have and all of that that doesn't serve you, has to. fall apart to bring in the new. In a perfect role, we have the perfect ideal job and everything comes true. And then magically, the old job just vanishes in an instant. But it doesn't really work that way.

Yeah, listen, when we talk about fear, this is part of that. I myself just went through a full-blown identity death, if you will. Me too. But it's hard, right? Like, you know, that is probably for most of us, by the way, For me, I probably should have done it five years ago, frankly. And I didn't. And the reason I didn't is just what we just talked about for the last hour.

I was scared to. I didn't want to. It was going to be hard. I felt like maybe I'd have to, you know, my growth wasn't going to be there. And all these other things I just told myself. And then I was forced. I literally was forced into changing my identity because I just realized it wasn't, I came to awaken, realized they didn't serve me.

And I said, all right. this is this is the line that I draw and it starts today and so um you know I think whether it be psychotherapy whether it be medicine um psychedelic medicine whether it be manifestation whether it be a true form of your therapy through your counseling people do need to reach out to just to ask questions right and um so I do want them to do that uh Nathaniel silly where can they go socially like whether there's LinkedIn or Instagram, or what's your best form of connection? Well, www.manifestherapy.com is a great way to connect with me because you can even book a free 15-minute phone consultation right on the website. We can do a Zoom link and we can have a

conversation, get more in-depth understanding of what you're looking for. And also, because of the manifestation coaching that I'm doing now in the psychedelic therapy, A, I can now work with the whole English-speaking world now that I'm a coach. But B, I'm using the psychotherapy, the R-A-B-T and CBT, as one of many tools to help alter consciousness so that ideally you can manifest and bring into your life whatever you want. So if that resonates with you, it'd be great to have a conversation and to talk more about it because, yeah, it's so fun knowing that every day I wake up in the morning, like it's a blank canvas of whatever I want to manifest,

and I can just do it all in consciousness. It's the ultimate cheat code for developing whatever you want to bring into your life when you're connected to your dreams rather than your nightmares. So I think that this is something that should no longer be kept a secret, that every human being here should have complete sovereignty over their own life, where it's going who they are, they get to decide and bring it in. And I'd love to help anybody who's ready for that journey

to go full steam ahead. Why waste any more of our life playing small? When we only got one life to live, how good could it get? Well, you know, you said something a couple times this episode, but I want everyone to kind of rehear it. Why do you get so connected to the dark side when there's so much upside to the light side, right?

So your dreams versus your nightmares, people cling on to their nightmares and they make this decision to say this is, the nightmares is going to be the reality if I do this. And it creates the fear, but you could very easily make a decision to cling on to the, to the dreams, right? And to paradise and all the good side of that. But it's a conscious decision that you can do in consciousness and make that decision to do that. Right. 100%.

Conscious is, I can't say enough, the ultimate cheat code. That's why I went from therapists and manifestation coach. I'm like, holy shit, this is even easier. I can just attract outcomes into my life and my mind rather than chase them. That's way funner to live that way. And I could tell you all about it. You know, if you want to know more about that too. But so, yeah.

Well, why don't we do this? Why don't we, you know, because everyone. going to have a little different story. Why don't we have them go to your website. Reach out to you, book a 15 minute call and see how you can help them. And if you're an entrepreneur, you know, I've done a lot of psychotherapy in my life. I've done a lot of plant medicine in my life. And so, you know, maybe I'm a little more enlightened than the rest. But even I still have this desire to continue that because you definitely can cling on to the paradise versus your nightmares. And it's just a decision you have to go do. And it's

definitely not as hard as you think. You're creating the hard just because that's how you think it is. And it's just not. So you're to answer your question, Justin, were you saying asking me, why do people cling onto the nightmares rather than the dreams? Yeah. Well, part of it is control and part of its ego. I think the ego might be just used to the worry. I mean, I would, I don't know about you, but I was raised this way that I had to worry about everything I care about or something bad was going to happen. And then I realized when I got older that that was actually a really horrible belief system to download. I thought, oh, well, I don't want anything bad to happen to my family. So I got to worry about them.

I don't want anything bad to happen to my job. I don't have to worry about that. And it was a complete scam. We have to connect to the dream because we can't solve life's problems in the same level of of consciousness that created the problem to begin with. That's why consciousness is fundamental. Let me weave this into your answer. I'm going to just go a little roundabout here.

How many people have you heard of that don't have any money and they win the lottery and file for bankruptcy? Or they get drafted into the MBA and they file for bankruptcy. That is fundamental about the power of consciousness. people think that seeing is believing. It's actually the other way around. Believing is seeing. So when your belief in scarcity is still bigger than the current financial abundance you have from winning the lottery or getting into the NBA, you literally manifest scarcity, even with all that money and still become poor. But the reverse is true.

if you envision yourself already wealthy, already successful, you're dreaming of your life, you're writing down the present tense, I am a guy or a girl who does this and that and whatnot, and you're connecting to that dream, you feel as if it's already happening because the subconscious mind can't differentiate between the observable reality or the felt reality and imagination. it still creates the same emotional response. So when you're connected to your dreams, imagining it already happening, you automatically move up into higher consciousness, like that Dr. Hawkins scale of consciousness we were talking about.

So what better way to solve life's problems than to be in higher consciousness? Because when you're positive connected to your dreams, you're more flexible in thinking, you aren't hyperbolic in the catastrophic thinking, you are able to problem solve way better because you're not attached to the outcome. Attachment is a sign of low consciousness like shame, guilt, anxiety, all the negative ones. And the happier we are, the more energy we have. That's why when we could be sick with the flu and get good news and we're jumping out of bed with

excitement, right? What happens when we're depressed? we can't even get out of bed to put our slippers on if we're depressed enough, right? It's all emotions are energy in motion, emotion. They're just different states of energy. So when you're connected to your dreams, you're in higher consciousness. You're in more energized. The more energy you have, the more power you have over the situation. And you completely perceive and narrate what's happening to you in a way that's going to help you get what you want. If you're in the scarcity mindset looking at an empty bank account and how bad

you currently have it, then how are you going to create solutions to your problems in a limitation scarcity mindset? You have to be in an abundance mindset to create financial abundance. You can't create financial abundance in scarcity. Those are incompatible states of consciousness. So the more you're connected to your dreams, well, what would the wealthy, successful, entrepreneur me do right now? How would he be thinking about his life? How would he be, what would he be focused on? What would he be feeling? How would he be acting? Those are all immediate solutions that you can do right now to get what you want. But here's the name of the game. We get what we think about and feel 51% of the day or more. So you don't want to just think about your dreams

every once in the blue and then go back to the nightmare. Can you sustain your focus and attention long enough on your dreams? And visualize yourself, Neville Goddard called it, living in the end. You're already the person you want to be in consciousness. Now, a lot of people say, oh, well, that's delusional. No, is not delusional? Remember that guy on the train I was talking about earlier.

You can be aware that your current situation isn't what you want it to be without being focused on it. And so your imagination becomes a container to hold you over where you're visualizing that you're already in your ideal life while you're aware that your current reality isn't what you want, but you're focusing on what you want. You're focusing on what you're dreaming and you're connected to that emotionally and you sustain that 51% of the time or more. then that ends up coming into your reality. And the solutions start coming up. You see the potential in everything because you're in higher consciousness when you're happy.

You see the potential of a business meeting, a potential of a conversation you can have with someone, the potential of creating a new business idea. And all these ideas start coming into your mind because you're in abundance consciousness. And so a lot of times we don't have to, to get all of our solutions to our problems from the guru or some book or chat gbt it all comes from you know within us when we're in the right state of consciousness and that's what doctor or that's what

um you know Einstein was saying and Nikola Tesla a lot of huge inventors throughout history were all connected to the universal mind in consciousness by living in the end connecting to the dream and believing it was possible. And, you know, lastly here, you know, the Wright brothers created an airplane. Well, if seeing is believing, then what would make them want to create an airplane if no one has ever gone into the sky? They had to imagine it already being possible and believe that that was possible first. And then the path to creating the airplane appeared because they connected to the dream.

So in order to create a new timeline for ourselves, we have to use our emotional mind because the rational mind can only look at the past and what has already happened up into this present moment. It can't create. Only emotions create. So you have to envision what you want for your future and connect to that. And now you're creating that path. If you can sustain your focus and attention on it, the majority of the time.

It's really just a matter of. of focus. Yeah, which plenty of people have plenty of hard time doing. But that is a whole another episode about focus and attention. In an economy, right? I kind of think it's by design. Maybe that's my conspiracy theory. I think they want to keep this. I don't think you're wrong. I would say you're not wrong. But anyways, well, listen, I'm going to have you back. This has been incredible. Please reach out to Nathaniel Silly. He's incredible. He can help you wherever you live in the United States or even if you're abroad. Please reach out to them.

This has been a pleasure, my friend. I think we've made a lot of impact here. Thank you so much. I love this conversation. Thank you so much for having. This is great. Yeah. That is Nathaniel Silly.

I am Justin Colby. This is the Entrepreneur DNA and we will see you on the next episode. Please share this with the least to your friends. Peace. All right. Bye, guys.