The Eric Metaxas Show - #102 - Seth Gruber

Episode Date: April 22, 2026

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free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with Eye Gaming, Ontario. Hey there, folks. Welcome to the program. It is my joy. to have on an old friend, a dear friend, Seth Ruber. Welcome. Thanks, brother.

So good to hang with you. I want to talk to you about everything and anything. But remind my audience where you are. I always want to figure out, like, okay, where is this person physically? Well, right now I'm in Albuquerque on our church tour for White Rose Resistance called Life or Death Tour at an incredible church called Legacy Church. Pastor Steve Sutherman, who calls the governor of New York the wicked witch of the north from the pulpit. You and I met at Rob McCoy's Church. That was our church during the scammedemic, pusillanimous, castrated cowardly pastor era.

And then we moved our family to Kansas City to be closer to the in-laws. And now we're moving to Franklin, Tennessee to move the White Rose Resistance headquarters to there. It's dizzying to follow you. Yeah. Tennessee. All right. It's dizzying to follow you, man. I just try to keep up with metaxis.

You're in America. So that's the headline. You're in America. Well, you, today, you have an event. Well, first of all, talk about the new film, the book, because not everybody who is tuning in today has listened to every previous program when I've talked to you about this stuff. Yeah, Eric, thank you. So we did a film two years ago called the 1916 project. It exploded in churches around the country.

it was only available to see in churches that had the courage to host a screening. It's now streaming on Daily Wire Plus. And the number one response we got to that, we brought you, actually, brother, for your audience, to what turned out the biggest screening in the country in terms of audience. And that was at Pastor Allen Jackson's Church, World Outreach Church in Murfreesboro, I think it was 4,500 people came to see the film with you and I. And the number one response we got, Eric, was like, I've never heard any of this before. This is freaking insane.

And you had me on two years ago to be like, wow, the founding board member of Planned Parenthood was the exalted cyclops of the Massachusetts KKK and was the only American to be invited to meet with Hitler and Heinrich Kimler after he rose to power. That's kind of crazy. So we decided, you know what, if the church doesn't know hardly any of the architects

of the culture of death and the genesis behind the sexual revolution and its most prominent child play in parenthood, then we need to go way back. If we have forgotten who we are and the history that has created this moment just in the 20th,

century in the last 125 years, there is so much more that we're going to have to unpack if we're going to be able to be faithful in this season to be little Christian iconoclasts tearing down the high places for King Jesus. And so we started putting together this film, me and my team, brother, it's called The Last Stand. And I don't say that just because it's red meat for the base and that sounds really cool. Like, oh my gosh, we're about to lose America. This is actually factual. It's historical nations that codify and celebrate baby killing and weird sex stuff, they have about a hundred years-ish from when they codify it to when they're taken over by another civilization with greater cultural energy. J.D. Unwin, Oxford anthropologist, Eric, 1934, so gosh, 92 years ago,

he publishes this study. It's huge, super boring reading. It's not like reading an Eric Metaxus history biography where it's like a page Turner novel. I just do a stroke in your ego. But it's very boring. And it's basically he asked the question, bro. What causes civilizations to thrive and prevail? And what causes civilizations to go the way the dodo bird? And his conclusions have been totally buried by the academic liberal left.

In fact, I got fact checked when my viral reel on this on our friends over at Cross Politic in Moscow, Idaho, they clipped a thing. It went almost 2 million views. Totally fact-checked. And everyone turned out to say, no, this is not true.

You can have orgasms without responsibility and not lose your civilization. And J.D. Unwin said, he looks at 86 civilizations over 5,000 years and finds a 100% correlation between sexual,

monogamous, heterosexual family-based cultures and cultural energy and thriving and a 100% correlation between laissez-faire, Woodstock, sexual liberation, weirdness,

and the death of societies and civilizations. And he says, once you adopt total sexual freedom and codify it as a society, you have about

100 years before you're done and you're replaced with a civilization with greater social energy. We are literally in a last stand moment. Well, you know, what you're talking about,

first of all, the reason this is true, folks, is because God, God is real. He created what we call reality. And if you're living in this way, you're betting against the house. You're going to lose. It's just a matter of time. And as you just said, in terms of civilizations, the cultures, it's about 100 years. Now again, what does it mean when we officially codify something? I don't know. Because you and I know the elites, they were all over this from the beginning, from way before the 60s. I mean, this is. something that goes way back. Your book, it takes us back to 1916. They were very, very dark forces,

but they were operating on an elite level, and it takes decades for this to filter down and filter down and filter down. So, yeah, I'm not sure where we are or how that works, but we have been, well, I'll tell you. Yeah, tell us. 1973 is my contention, Eric, for three reasons.

not just Roe versus Wade, that's the obvious one. But J.D. Unwin's very clear. He specifically goes out of his way to say, it's once you legalize and codify total sexual freedom that the 100-year countdown begins. It's not just the culture's kind of changing and some people are starting to go to Woodstock gatherings.

No, no, he's saying it's once it's codified. This idea, the phrase he uses specifically is total sexual freedom. And he says, by the way, if you pass laws to kind of reel things back in and get back in line with reality, you know, then you can kind of delay that. I think it was 1973 when America came into a demonic, trinitarian, satanic partnership with evil and began the 100-year countdown.

That's my belief. Roe versus Wade, federal right to kill a baby through all nine months of pregnancy in all 50 states. We forget how insane that is. Now, yes, every civilization for 5,000 years of recorded human history has exercised ritualistic child sacrifice in some way, shape, or form. Baby killing is not progressive, it's regressive. But to have a nation founded on Christendom, the most powerful child of the Reformation, America, codify that and then tax-funded in all 50 states, we forget how significant

and freaking bonkers that was. So you've got Moloch. In 1973, what else happened? We passed the Endangered Species Act, Eric, in the same month that we declared open season on little baby humans, bro, we gave more legal protections to porpoises. and sea turtles, dude, fulfilling G.K. Chesterton's prophetic warning, by the way, Eric, wherever there is animal worship, there will be human sacrifice. So now we've got bail. And then what else happened in 1973? Wait, don't tell me. Hang Garen hit his 714th home run,

setting the stage for April of 1974. And I was in the bathtub at the time, but my family watched it happened. It was exciting. 715. But that was 74. Let's go back. So what else happened in that's awesome? Yeah. The last thing, Eric, that I think kind of sealed this demonic, like, Trinity in 1973 was the Supreme Court removed their, well, really weakened and removed their obscenity laws, which used to prevent and ban the widespread distribution of things like porn. And so in the same year that we declare open season on unborn babies, the same year that we give legal protections to unborn babies, legal protection to animals, the Supreme Court in, what was it, Miller versus California, under the guise of free speech, allows the perpetuation and easy distribution of

pornography. So, Asher. I see, I did not know that because, you know, when we think of pornography, most people would go back to, you know, Ulysses, I'm talking about James Joyce, or, you know, there are all kinds of rulings over time. But you're saying in 73, they made it easy to distribute pornography. Yep, yep, decided to limit the ban on obscenity under the guise of free speech. That was Miller v. California. So in the same year, you've got child sacrifice, Molok, You've got animal worship, bail.

And by the way, that's true in most societies. Most societies who did like sacrifice, like children, those societies generally had a higher regard for animals. And of course, it's actually, it's the Dominion mandate. It's the Genesis 1 and 2. It's all flipped upside down. Instead of man ruling over the animals, now the animals are in a hierarchy over the humans.

And then weird sex porn stuff, Ashera. Asheropoles. I mean, it's like, wait a second. I'm pretty sure like it's those three things. things that you find God's most colorful language in the entire Old Testament. And so if I'm right about, about me, okay, see, here's why we adopted total sexual freedom in 1973, Eric, you don't have total sexual freedom unless you have the right to kill the products of your sexual freedom.

Then, once you can murder the baby who's the product of your sleeping around, now you are totally sexually free. So that's my contention. And if that's true, 73 leads to 2003, 2003 leads to 2030, Eric. So we are approaching the beginning of the final 30-year run, 30-to-33-year run. That's sobering. And when you're looking at the Islam threat on the West right now, a demonic pedophilic faith, whose founder had multiple wives, one of whom was a little girl, obviously.

But my point is, is they build communities around self-sacrifice, delay gratification, and they're outbreeding us. We're already starting to see the early seeds. We're going to go to a break. We'll be right back. Folks, I'm talking to Seth Gruber. Don't go away. Hey, folks, before we go, in case you have questions about Medicare, many people do, I do. Our trusted source, if you want information on, you know, what plan works, blah, blah, blah.

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You heard the man. Call now to find out how much money you qualify for. Welcome back, folks. I'm talking to my friend Seth Gruber. And Seth, this is really sobering stuff. And as usual with you, it's tremendously informative. So you are, first of all, the event, I want to steer people to the event, the laststand.com.

You've made a film about that. I want to talk about that, the last stand. But I guess when you say 1973, we did overturn Roe v. Wade recently. So I just wonder, I guess I am hopeful that we could, roughly speaking, overturn the sexual revolution, that we're on a path. If we have revival in America, which I think we will, I think we've seen the beginning of it, that we would overturn the sexual revolution. It'll never be overturned totally because people are going to do what people are going to do. but the point is that it does seem to me that we've seen enough of the dark fruit of the sexual revolution for some people to wake up and say, yes, this is not a good thing. This is actually harming us.

Amen. Yeah, Eric, so the enemy always overplays his hand, right? This is the whole, like, hope and joy when you're in the kingdom of God is that you understand there are spiritual principalities, and the enemy is he's cunning, okay, he's smart, but he's not wise. And so sometimes he goes full retard and does very stupid things

and patriot, Christless conservatives who don't even know Jesus recognize, whoa, we're chopping off the genitals of kids now? Yeah, I don't think I'm down with the sexual revolution anymore. So this is a whole thing what Augustine called libido dominandi, right? The lust to dominate. It's marked all of the sex

weirdo rulers going all the way back, at least to Caligula, who was the emperor who ranged in the events of the book of Acts. I mean, like, Caligula was the Epstein of this day, by the way, fascinating episode for another time. But like, it's always a house of cards that collapses under the weight of its own absurdity. And then people start to wake up. And so I agree with you, brother. I think we may be on the cusp of another great revival. That's what I'm praying for. That's with our team at the White Roads Resistance with our resistance chapters around the country, trying to get the local church to get engaged for righteousness. I'm sick and tired of whining and complaining and yelling at the podcast and TV about what's

happening in D.C. Hope is not coming from D.C. Although obviously I voted for the mean tweeting Orange Man between that and Jezebel Harris. That wasn't a difficult calculation. But we need the local church to become great again and wake up. And that's always been the hope for civilizations is when Christians care about righteousness. enough. And the full counsel of God, baby, okay, not the Rick Warren, Stephen Ferdick, Andy Stanley, Russell Moore, Ed Stetzer, Gay gospel made in your own image so you can be invited to Davos and get crumbs from the table of secular humanism gospel. But I mean the big boy gospel that created Western civilization, when we live like that at the local level, all of society changes. And so we

have this moment now where we actually can give God a reason to show America mercy. And so we tell some of these stories. Yes, at our festival, yes, in the book and the film, the last stand. We have to remember that every evil we're facing right now, the church and Christian heroes before us has faced. They stared it down. They pushed out the darkness and they laid the foundations for renewal and reformation in our day. We don't even know those stories anymore. And so Psalm 8812 says, righteousness cannot be done in a land of forgetful. Well, this is what you said earlier on that most people in the church, the so-called church, are unaware of this history.

They've never heard of a lot of the folks that you've mentioned, putting the dots, connecting the dots. And that's because we've grown up in a secular culture that is pushing forward. I talk about this all the time. They're pushing forward a certain narrative, and they're not interested in certain facts or certain stories. They just ignore it. or teach you the opposite of it, even though it's not true.

I've said that in my book is atheism dead. I mean, when you look at the facts of science, science points to God, it's just open and shut. But you never hear that in the popular culture. And it's because even the church is unaware of a lot of this kind of information. And what you're talking about is exactly the same thing. I mean, when you talk about who Margaret Sanger was and who the people were that were her mentors.

And when you put all that together, as you do brilliantly in your book, the 1916 project and in the film, it is eye-opening, but it's information really that everyone should know. We all should be able to recite these facts. And if you don't mind, we're going to go to a break you, but when we come back,

I'd love you to kind of go through that, you know, that list of people, because a lot of people just have no clue of these connections. They're real. It's not made up. We'll be right back talking to Seth Gruber. You can go to the last stand.com.

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narratives that most people are just unaware of this kind of stuff. Yeah, and Eric Metax's show listeners, one of the coolest moments of my life was when Eric Mataxis told me that he learned something from me. I said, hallelujah. I said, Jesus, you're real. I read this Bonhofer book on his desk at I was 20 years old. I was a sophomore in college. I'm 34 now. And so you've been a hero, brother. And now we get a fight together. We've had you at our events. But yeah, most people don't know this stuff, which is insane. I'll do it really quickly. 1914, a young woman named Margaret Singer living in Greenwich Village where all bad things come out of, including the second way feminist, the bald, ugly feminist. Feminism does make you ugly,

be very careful people. Kate Millett, for example. the radical homosexuality. Yeah, Cape Miller. Yeah, that's right. And then also the queen of abortion. Just so you guys understand that. Second-wave feminists who wanted to kill men, homo movement radicalness and abortion all came out of Greenwich Village.

And in 1914, Margaret Singer's sending illegal pamphlets on illegal forms of deusches and birth control methods. So rather than get arrested because of the Comstock laws, she has her friends in the New York Labor Movement forage her passport. She flees to England. She has her kids. Yes, she has her friends raise her kids. to avoid the authorities, and she sleeps her way up the levers of power.

So she becomes the first Kamala Harris. She jumps in bed with people like H.G. Wells, have Locke Ellis, the Alfred Kinsey of England, who has an orgies in his home. This is what I'm saying. Like, not only do I learn stuff from you, but even if you've said it in the past, I forgot it and I have to relearn it, Margaret Sanger, not exactly the fairer faucet of her day, was, and that tells you how old I am that that's my reference. But I mean, she's sleeping with H.G. Wells and Havlock Ellis.

I mean, we have to try to appreciate how radical that is for the time. In other words, we're not talking about people sleeping around the 60s. This is in the teens. So this is the elite culture. And they are already, they've already given themselves over to this kind of behavior. But so she's in England. She's connecting with Havelock Ellis, perhaps literally, and also with HG Wells.

Yeah, and she meets the Neo-Malthusians. She becomes part of the Neo-Malthusian League in England. We refers to Thomas Malthus and English clergymen, who was the first overpopulationist right after the Jacobins were chopping off heads, so right before Napoleon, and end of the 18th century, and he says that food production can't keep up the population growth,

so we're all going to have massive starvation. It was the climate change hoax. It was the climate change hoax of the day, all the intelligent people knew. This is not sustainable. Yes, we've got to save the polar bears or something. You'll start to see this connection between like the depopulationist, the eugenicists, the racists, and the sexual liberationists.

Like they're all in bed together metaphorically, sometimes literally. And so Havlock Ellis coaches Sanger's journey back to New York City and in 1916 under his advising, by the way, even advising that she softened her language to focus on more scientific-sounding themes like neo-malthusianism and eugenics. in eugenics rather than on anarchism and socialism, which was a kind of language saying it was using. So in 1916, she opens her first illegal birth control clinic, not in Greenwich Village where the rich white people lived,

but in Brownsville, a neighborhood comprised largely of blacks, Jews, Italians, Slavs. When that becomes the first illegal birth control clinic, it is the first Planned Parenthood in a clinic. Planned Parenthood on their own website acknowledges 1916 as their quote-unquote birthday. Okay. And then from there she starts her magazine where she hosts authors like Earned Parente Rudin, who was Hitler's director of genetic sterilization. In 1921, she founds the organization, like with the trappings of the 501c3. And it was called the American Birth Control League

before she renamed it to Planned Parenthood. And her founding board member was Lothrit Stodd, who was the exalted Cyclops of the Massachusetts KKK chapter. I have the book with that historical bomb. Excuse me. Excuse me. We're not making this up. This is not a Thomas Pynchon novel. Lothrop Stoddard, who was the exalted cyclone. in the positive sense of the Massachusetts KKK, not making it up. Keep going. Yeah, isn't that crazy? Most people are like Massachusetts? KKK went that far north. Yep, yep. And he actually did his dissertation on eugenics. His books were like recommended reading with the

KKK chapters. And so Lothrop Stoddard writes a book called The Rising Tide of Color against white world supremacy. He writes another book called The Menace of the Underman. And, this book became recommended reading by the Third Reich. Actually, the German government of the late 30s translated. They paid for the German translation of Stoddard's book. Okay, hang on. Don't to a break. Folks, you're not going anywhere because fascinating stuff will be right back.

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Welcome back. I'm talking to Seth Gruber. Okay, so Seth, you're connecting the dots. So again, a lot of people don't know this. The eugenics movement, that's a nice word for, you know, planned parenthood, kill those we don't like. So you're saying that there were direct ties, and I've known this, but direct ties with the Nazis, folks.

Are you paying attention? Some people are more equal than others. Kill the Jews. Kill the unborn. This is a completely different view. And it was seen as progressive, quote, unquote, scientific. And at the forefront of it all is Margaret Sanger. So keep going.

Yeah, so her founding board member, Lothbert Stoddard, he writes his book called The Menace of the Underman. And Eric, I have, it took me a while to find. I found one copy online two years ago. I paid a horrendous amount of money to buy it and to ship it from Germany. I found the first edition of the German-translated version

of the Menace of the Underman written by Sanger's founding board member Luffert's daughter, the KKK guy. I found the German-translated version. I have it at my office. How did they translate the word underman? The title of his book, The Menace of the Undermann. Untermench.

Untermench. What was you going to say? Untermeng, Uber-Mensch. This is Nazi doctrine, right? Some people are the leaders, you know, you get this from Nietzsche, and we're going to rule those. The Untermension, they should be our slaves. So the Slavs, the Jews, the Poles, they're going to be the slaves of the Uber Mention, of the Superman, the race that is superior to the other races.

This is when you're talking about Planned Parenthood, you're talking about these folks, that's the worldview. Keep going. Yeah, and Eric, Untermensch, kind of translated into English, ended up meaning like, subhuman, right, or less than. And then we think of the Ubermensch, like the Superman or the superhuman that they thought they could really create and that those stronger people based off of whatever kind of traits that the liberal elites decide are significant and decisive should rule over

everyone else. Now, I'm not sure if I can, like, historically prove this one yet, brother, but I'm pretty sure that we don't begin to see the widespread use of the phrase untermensch by the Nazis. Until about the German translated version of Lothraith Stoddard's, the founding board member of Planned Parenthood's book, Alfred Rosenberg appropriates the term Udramch. And so it seems to be that the Nazis kind of coined the term Uttramch from the English version of the founding board member of Planned Parenthood's book. So he became such a hero to the Nazis. He gets invited to the Third Reich.

He helps influence a German eugenics court to reach a positive verdict on sterilizing certain Jews. he meets with Heinrich Kimmler, Fritz, Salkl, Robert Lay, and brother, as far as we know, Lothrop Stoddard, the founding board member of Flamp Parenthood, is the only American to have had a one-on-one, closed door, private meeting with Adolf Hitler after he rose to power. And he writes about it in his book, Into the Darkest Nazi Germany today after Stoddard comes back. So surely by now, singers kicked him off the board, right? No, no, he sat in that position for a long time. Now, Eric, I could do this for another 45 minutes with you. The takeaway is this, okay? The takeaway is the retreat of the church from the cultural and political realm at the beginning of the 20th century aligns perfectly with the bloodiest century in human history.

It's not a coincidence that what started more innocent human beings being killed in a hundred-year period that had been killed in all of human history before the year 1900 combined, it's not a coincidence that that century lines up perfectly with the retreat of the church with the fundamentalist modernist controversy. You get people like Jay Gresham-Machan, just absolutely obliterating the liberal Christians and the like seeker-friendly Christians.

That's in a whole other history, but the church really begins to pull away from the cultural and political realm at the beginning of the 20th century. They want the accolades of the culture. They want Christianity to look respectable. There's a rising, popularity of new science.

And there's a rising academic liberal elite saying we don't need God. Science can answer all of these questions that we used to look to our priests and pastors to answer. And so in an attempt to make Christianity look culturally respectable, major Christians and churches throughout the West and in America adopt a totally new, absolutely foreign to church history, cultural engagement model. And so it's not a coincidence that you get these kinds of figures. You get these kinds of movements of radical leftist, neo-Malthusian, eugenics,

Darwinian, kill the babies, revolutionaries, who are fulfilling kind of an inverted dominion mandate for wickedness. And that lines up perfectly with the retreat of the church. And so I want to make this statement, Eric, the first 1900 years of church history stands as an indictment against the last 100. We have no idea what we are. What we're farting around with, with purpose-driven life books and Andy Stanley gayness and using pronouns in the kids' church or pastors who just won't even preach Genesis 1 into the culture is

utterly foreign to the first 1900 years of church history. We need to go back. Okay. Like Doc, in Back to the Future, we got to go back if we're going to figure out how to write this ship. Well, no, and that's exactly right. That is exactly right. And, you know, this takes us to Francis Collins. You've written about Francis Collins.

It is a desire to make peace with the cultural elites with this theory that we're going to influence them. But in fact, they influence us. And so you have folks like my friend Tim Keller, Francis Collins. And these folks, they really somehow believed that, you know, we're going to have a voice at the table. but in fact they got co-opted by the secular left and it's gruesome nailed it that's right so um i know we're we probably we're running short on time to tell stories but there's no no we have time we have time we have time go ahead okay take the time you need to wet people's appetite okay so so so starting june 7th any church in america can host the screening of the film the last stand um i made

this film with my mentor dr george grant um who i consider the smartest man in Christendom alive today. He's somehow academic historian, shepherd, pastor, author, preacher. Like, I don't know who else to compare him to, but like Iler Belak or Chesterton or something. And so this is our baby. This film is our baby. And we premiere it at the Last Stand Festival, June 5th and 6th in Denver, Ali Best Stuckey, Steve Dace, Pastor Rob McCoy, Andrew Sedra, Abby Johnson, Shane and Shane, we're going to repent, we're going to worship, we're going to mobilize the next generation to tear down the high places. And then any church in America can host a screening of this film, including Christian schools. So guys, go to the last stand.com to sign your church up to host a screening starting June 7th or 8th,

and then get your tickets to the last stand at the last stand.com. But what we've forgotten is that the pro-life movement, the pro-family movement, the children's rights movement, okay? These things used to go by another name, Eric. You ready? They used to go by the name Christendom, baby. Christendom. Before there were 501C3 organizations doing wonderful justice work, there was the local church who did not stand by

and stay in their cute little sanctuaries and watch the culture go to hell in a handbasket and watch them sexually mutilate kids, raped little boys, beat their wives and sacrificed babies. After the ascension, and Jesus sends his people to the very ends of the earth, right? Guess what? They came into conflict with like a little.

Elizabeth Warren, Indian warlords, petting squirrels in the forest. No, no, no, no, that's not right. That's not what they found. As they go to the ends of the earth, they're finding, like, transgender-bending cults, the sexual mutilation of children, the raping of little boys, brothels full of children, beating your life, sacrificing babies. That's the world of paganism, all the way into antiquity. That's right.

It's the story. And when God comes in through the Jews and then through the church, Everything changes. Everything changes. And of course, as you're saying, when the church recedes, we go back. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's right. Uh-huh. Yep. Dominion is inevitable. That's right. So we will always have a theocracy just to really scare your listeners. We'll either have Christianity. Not an actual theology, folks. But, you know, the point is one set of values will reign. And then the question is, will it be God? God's values. In the public square. That's right. And their ideas

will shape our laws. So if that's what we mean by theocracy, you're either going to have sex cult globalism or you're going to have Christian nationalism or whatever they call us now if we just believe

what every Democrat believed in 1968. And so it's like the pro-life movement, the pro-family movement, the children's rights movement, the gospel, our savior shapes all of these things. Why?

Because it says the logos became flesh. The logic of the universe took on human flesh. Well, that's the savior in Mary's uterus. The thing the ancient Romans valued the least was children and babies, but now here's the creator, the Big L logos. And now he's a, well, he's a fetus.

He's a zygote. Then I guess he had value, which I guess that means, oh gosh, if we're creating the image of God, like all humans have value from the moment of conception. This furnishes the concept of children's rights that we take for granted, and then you have to have Tom Holland, an agnostic Brit, write a book called Dominion, the shaping of a Western mind to slap Evangelie fish pastors in the face who don't even understand

that the world they live in was shaped by christenedom. And they think America is like a child of the Enlightenment or something retarded. And so we just don't even know these stories. Sorry, you're getting me on a rant. Can I, can I, can I, can I hold you on for another segment? Do you have a few minutes? Sure. Okay.

And I was going to say next time, I'm just saying this as a friend, if you don't mind, next time you come on this program, have a cup of coffee or do a line of Coke, whatever you need to do because this low energy stuff. Frankly, it's unappealing, and we reject it. Chris, my producer, he's nodding. Have a couple of a... Do something, okay? You need to wake up before you come on the program. Okay, folks, this event will be right back, but the event is The Laststand.com.

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There's books, there's films. There's all kinds of great stuff. What else can we talk about before we go, Seth? So good, Eric. So appreciate you, man. We need to get you at the last stand, 27, by the way. So we'll talk about that.

So I was born in Narnia. Most people don't know that. I actually emigrated to America from Narnia. And there's this incredible person named Jill Pohl in the silver chair, the penultimate Narnia book. And she's standing on Aslan's mountain. And Aslan has already blown Eustace Clarence scrub. And he almost deserved it.

Down into Narnia. And Aslan is talking to Jill Poole. hole and he has an agenda for her. He has a plan and a mission for her. She needs to break the spell free the prince and free the land. And so he gives her signs to help her on her journey, signposts, to know that she's on the right path and she's going the right way. And he says, when you go down into Narnia, the air will thicken. Your mind will begin to fog. And if you don't repeat the signs, you'll forget them. So remember, remember, remember the signs. Well, she forgets to repeat the signs. she misses some of them, and it's her forgetfulness that gets her and her friends into much trouble.

We've done the same thing in the American church. The church's forgetfulness has always been her undoing. You could summarize maybe the whole Old Testament, Eric, by saying remembrance and forgetfulness are the measuring rods of faithfulness throughout the Bible, revealing that there are only two kinds of people in this world, effectual doers and forgetful hearers. And so we could tell a thousand, stories, but one of my favorites to help us with our remembrance to save the West and save her we should. There's this guy named Callistus. He was a Christian slave in the third century. He was imprisoned, sentenced to labor in the minds of Sardinia. A Christian wealthy man frees him. And he gets appointed to run the first real estate that the church owned on the Appian way,

which we film in in my book, Eric. And it's the main way in and out of Rome. And people come into conflict with this Christian faith, but Callistus's assignment on the Appian way brings him into conflict with the ancient world's practice of abandoning infants on infanticide walls where they would die if they weren't rescued by a Christian or they weren't rescued by a quote-unquote pimp

to be raised in a brothel as a sexual slave, which Justin the martyr said happened to most foundlings who were abandoned. They weren't rescued. They began a life of sexual slavery and a brothel, which led to accidental incest because the dads who abandoned their babies and didn't know that they were rescued by a pimp ended up visiting their local brothel 15 years later and having sex with their own child. And accidental incest is another thing that's happening as a result of the sexual liberation today through big fertility and quote unquote sperm donors who are fathering multiple children. And so siblings end up having sex with each other through tender. We're sowing the same seed because we're reaping the same harvest because we're sowing the same seed.

And so Callistus starts up life watches. Calistus, this Christian here we don't even know about, he gets Christians to watch where people abandon infants. So when they abandon them, Christians go up and rescue the baby, place it in a Christian home and raise the baby and the fear and admonition of the Lord. That starts something today that we call pro-life sidewalk counseling, positioning Christians outside of where babies are killed to rescue them.

It also starts something called the Christian adoption. movement. Okay, so that's one story. Christians have built all of these things. They furnished the pro-life movement, the children's rights movement. And until we remember who we are and repeat, and remember the signs, if until the church does that, we're done, we're screwed and Western civilization is over. I mean, it's funny because I find, you know, I always agree with you, and it's just a joy to have you on. And you're reminding me of what I say all the time. I mean, the reason I wrote my book on the American Revolution is I said, we must know our story. We must know all these stories. We have to know the stories of Christendom, the ones you're sharing. But the story of

America, when I was a kid, everybody knew this stuff. Like, everybody knew this stuff. We've forgotten it. And if you forget, folks, you will drift away. And we are where we are now, because a couple of generations have forgotten these amazing stories. So, you know, I even say with my book, like, I don't even care if you enjoy reading it. Read it like medicine, because you need to know these stories. You need to know this stuff. And Seth, you just, all of your stuff. I mean, the 1916 project, the last stand,

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Yeah, thank you. The Laststand.com and The Last Stand.com and The Last Stand. Film to host a screening at your church. The pre-orders for my book start the end of April and tickets are selling now for our festival. Look, it's exciting. You're a huge encouragement to me, my young brother. Thank you for coming on the program. Thanks for all you do. Thelaststand.com.

Seth Gruber, thank you. Folks, welcome back. You've heard me talk a lot about gold on the program, or at least I know many of you have expressed interest in gold, and we have a sponsor. If you listen to the program, you know it's Genesis Gold Group. And I thought, why don't we get the head of Genesis Gold, on the program to talk about what Genesis Gold does. And we have right now, Bill Ammore Armour coming to us from,

I think, someplace on the left coast. Yeah, I guess, you know, we're both, you know, under pretty strict rule here, communist rule, but so be it. We're talking to a lot of Middle America here, a lot of people that have it better than us. But, you know, I think, you know, as you, of all people would know, with your book about Bonhofer, we have to resist for. from within. So I actively resist. But absolutely pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me on. Most gold sponsors wouldn't know anything about my Bon Offer book. So this is why we picked you and Genesis Gold because you actually, you know, you're a person of faith and you understand this stuff. And it is true that being on the coasts, in some ways we see even more clearly

because we see how bad things can get, you know, when you're dealing with cultural Marxism and lunatics like Governor Newsom or Mayor Momdani. So anyway, for folks who have questions about gold or what you do, tell us where you're coming from. And I want to actually, let me say up front, folks, if you want to get information, please go to metaxis gold IRA.com, metaxusgoldir.ira.com. But Bill, talk to us about what you do. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, at its core, we help people steward what God has given them.

You know, the way that I approach this always is understanding that anything we have is a blessing from the Lord, right? And so we want to be good stewards of that. We want to direct that in ways that honor God and the kingdom. And so how do we do that? Well, one of the most important things is we'd be responsible and we be prudent with what we've been given. And if you look around, I think it doesn't take a genius to look at the market, the world, you know, the economy, etc. and really start to question, wow, what are we heading to? I mean, any fiat currency in history has failed. You look at the dollar and what's become of that, you know, $38, $39 trillion in national debt. You start to look at the inflationary pressures, what your dollar is worth today versus what it was

worth 20 years ago. And you start to gain an understanding that this is not just kind of the cyclical things go up, things go down. We are experiencing a real shift here, a long-term shift that's been occurring, but we're at a sort of precipice. And so people come to me and they say, how do I preserve what I have put my life working towards, which is, you know, the wealth that we have saved up, you know, for our, you know, for our family, you know, ass down, whatever that might be. And in the true answer, there is the same thing that has been good for 4,000 plus years, and that's physical gold and silver. You know, you can read through the Old Testament, they're using gold and silver, and you can read to the very tail end of revelation. And what are they throwing into the street

when Christ returns? They're throwing gold and silver. So I think, you know, using that as an understanding that gold does make it from A all the way to Z and silver. And so that's kind of the one vehicle that can protect your wealth in a way that, you know, a bank, the dollar, stocks, nothing else really can offer that because nothing else has sort of the divine blessing in terms of currency that gold and silver does have. I've only begun thinking about it that way recently. But the idea that God gave us gold and silver, it's not just some random. thing and that, yes, for millennia, we've been dealing with gold and silver. And there's something

sort of foundational about it. It's not coincidental. There's something about it. But the idea that even today, you could say, yeah, these fiat currencies, it doesn't work. This is your best investment. The idea that that's true is kind of amazing. And that, you know, we can still do that. We're not yet in a world where it's not possible to get gold. Thank God. Yeah, you're exactly right. And who knows that could come in the future? I know there's a lot of talk about things like central bank digital currencies, you know, and really the dangers that that presents. But at least for now, you look at, you know, what has, you know, occurred over the last year even in metals. And I think that this is a sign of what's to come is you watch gold's up, you know, 40, 45 percent in the last 12 months, silver's up over 100 percent. And people will ask me sometimes, you know, Bill, is this just, you know, what is some of the last 12 months? Is that an anomaly or we at the end of the, the the ride here. And the answer I give is that no, I think, if anything, that gold historically is really a financial bloodhound. And it's sniffing out problems in the greater financial world. And we're seeing that today. I mean, just this month, we're seeing huge, huge numbers of the

private credit market in that entire world, nine and a half percent default rate, which is a record here through all of the U.S.'s history and private credit. So we're seeing, you know, potential contagion. Powell was on just, I think it was this morning talking about, he says, we're, you know, they asked him, should be, is this going to be okay? And he said, we don't really want to comment on that right now. Which if the people at the top are avoiding answering that, that should be, you know, siren should be blaring. I was going to say, folks, if your interest has been peaked, and I hope it has,

go to metaxesgoldir.ira.com. Metaxesgoldir.org.com.