The Eric Metaxas Show - #123 - Dr. Larry Arnn

Episode Date: May 21, 2026

Today on The Eric Metaxas Show, Eric talks with Hillsdale College President Dr. Larry Arnn about the new documentary Revolutionary America, the fragile miracle of the American Revolution, and why Americans must recover the true story of the founding. They discuss Rededicate 250, the media’s reaction to Eric’s ballroom joke, the Declaration of Independence, Washington crossing the Delaware, Valley Forge, Lexington and Concord, John Dickinson, Thomas Jefferson, King George III, and why the Revolution was far more desperate and consequential than many Americans realize. Subscribe for clips from The Eric Metaxas Show to hear politics and culture from a Christian perspective.⭐ PRE-ORDER TODAY:Revolution: The Birth of the Greatest Nation in the History of the World📕: https://a.co/d/0ir3NlapTODAY'S SPONSORS:⭐ FREE SLAVES with CSI: https://csi-usa.org/metaxas/📢 Don’t Let the Financial Storm Destroy Your Wealth and Future!https://www.metaxasgoldira.com/⚖️ Legal Help Center - Get Free Legal Help Today: https://www.legalhelpcenter.com/🛏️ MyPillow — Save BIG with code ERIC: https://www.mypillow.com/☀️ Honest, fast, and free Medicare plan guidance: https://askchapter.com/metaxas/💧 Sentry H2O: https://sentryh2o.com/

Hey, folks, welcome to the program. I have the joy today of speaking with the 12th president of Hillsdale College. Can you guess who it is? I only know one president of Hillsdale College. His name is Larry Arne. Dr. Larry Arn, welcome to the program. Great to be with you, Eric. How are you doing?

I'm doing our right. I'm still reeling from a few days ago. We were together at Rededicate 250 on the mall in Washington, DC. That was quite an event. You spoke, I spoke, and I believe others spoke besides the two of us. It was really, it was quite a day and it made me very, I guess, deeply gratified that we're living at a time where we have a president willing publicly to read scripture and who has a cabinet filled with people willing to talk about turning to God and not ashamed of that, not tortured by the idea of some twisted idea of separation of church and state,

which means that we have to be secular. So I really enjoyed being there. I hope you did as well. Oh, yeah. I thought it was great. You did a great job. Robert Barron, the bishop, did a great job. A lot of talented people there.

and then there's you and me you were supposed to know stuff. Well, I gotta tell you, I'm never gonna stop talking about this, but at the end of my remarks, I was obliged to introduce the Star Spangled Banner being sung by Tony Award winning actress

Laura Osnest. And so I had to shift from the revolution to, oh, and by the way, in 1812, Francis got king, whatever. And as you may remember, I cracked a dumb joke because it was like 98 degrees, and, you know, people needed a laugh.

And I said, you know, the British burned down the White House. And if you can believe it, ladies and gentlemen, in those days, the White House did not have a ballroom. And it got a big laugh. And I said, and God, after 200 years, has raised up a man to give us a ballroom. And I don't know if he followed it, but the secular mainstream media did not understand that that was a joke. Yeah, yeah.

And they have been outraged over this for quite some time. I just find that itself both dismaying and hilarious. So I don't know if you caught the, if we stop resenting, start resenting each other's jokes. It means that there's some breakdown underway. And there is, you know. I'm probably guilty of it myself. Sometimes the jokes of people who are opposed to me in general don't fall flat with me.

But, you know, I mean, for example, But that's a different thing from not understanding that it is a joke. In other words, if somebody I despise, cracks a funny joke, I have to at least assent to the idea that, well, it was a funny joke, but it was made by Hitler, so I'm not going to laugh. But to take it seriously when it's clearly intended as a joke or when most sane people would regard it as a joke, it is strange. It's strange and troubling. Anyway, forgive me for talking about that. I just can't get out of my mind. and since you were actually there when it happened.

But we are living in strange times. I keep saying we're living in the third existential crisis of our history. But the good news is we can look back to the two previous existential crises, and in particular the first one, the revolution, and we can learn some things. And I was very gratified to learn that you all at Hillsdale have produced. We're in the process of producing a documentary about the revolution. I'm involved in that, privileged to be involved in that.

When did you all decide to do that? Because I was so excited. If you guys are doing a documentary on the Revolution, that's something that I can get behind. Well, we are very attached to the Declaration of Independence, and we do online courses, and we've been doing them. We've done 50 of them, I think, now.

And we're getting better at it, we think. And then, of course, what's a bigger event in the political history of the world than the 250th of the Declaration? So we decided to be serious about that. And along the way, as we gathered material, including from you, Eric, we said there's a movie in this, a documentary. So it's going to be released to theaters on May 31st all over the country.

I have in the last 45 minutes watch the final of it for the first time. I've only seen bits of it along the way. You do very well. the whole thing captures, you know, because the American Revolution is something almost impossible not to take for granted today, because America is mighty and old. But all along the way, it survived by the skin of its teeth. And the people who signed the Declaration of Independence commented to one another that they were signing their death warrant. on the morning that on the eve

in the night, Christmas night, 1776, George Washington crossed the Delaware. He meant to get there to wake him up at Trenton where Hesian troops were stationed before

dawn. And they were running late. They didn't get there to a while after dawn. Everybody'd be up, they thought. And there's a guy named Plover, who was a New Englander and good with boats. and he said, General, we're going to be late.

Shall we go ahead? You said it had to be before dawn. And Washington said, we have to go ahead. We'll probably all be dead by nightfall anyway. And that's a great... I do not have that exchange in my book, and I was not aware of that. That's extraordinary because, yes, Glover is kind of a big deal

in the history of the revolution, getting, this is the Glover of the Marblehead, Massachusetts sailors under Glover, who got our army across the East River, astonishing, astonishing feat, and then, of course, very involved in the crossing of the Delaware. But I did not know that Glover had said that to Washington, and everything I read, I never saw that. That is extraordinary. That's absolutely extraordinary.

Well, that's the tone, you know, and over and over, it's a desperate situation. And, you know, we think of America today, if we follow the news, there's something under assault, but something established and strong. You have to adjust your mental weather to see that there had never been

such a country before this one. These events are unprecedented. And for you to believe in a thing that had never come to be, that's hard. And they did. And, you know, the passages in the film about Valley Forge are very moving. And, you know, there were soldiers literally naked in the winter, in the snow for a month. And they didn't have enough food.

There's a story that emerges in the film. I hadn't known it. That there was a favorite dog in the camp that belonged to a... soldier and he killed it and they ate it a few of them and uh you know they were dying and uh so that that story you know it's like if you watch a good presentation of say Napoleon's retreat from Moscow uh that was devastating right they just one of the greatest armies ever assembled is simply consumed by that. Most of them don't get back.

Ones who had to walk back in the freezing, you know, hungry. This is like that. It's the same thing. And that's the American Revolution. And so you ask yourself, you know, while you're watching the film, this question comes up over and over.

Why did they do this? Also, one gets a strong sense of what precisely the king did that ticked them off. Because, you know, when we think of a tyrant today, we think of Hitler, you know, and that's because he's in Stalin and Mao. That's because they're worse in a way. They're scientific totalitarians. They can do their evils on a much greater scale.

But the principle is there with the way the British were acting at that time. Yeah. That is, you are the... children and you must do what we say. Whatever it is, we claim the right to govern you without your consent in all cases whatsoever. That's what they said. So they, you know, one of the heroes that emerges from the film is a man named John Dickinson, who was very reluctant about the Declaration, about the Independence Declaration. Right up to the end, he was against it.

And then he fought very bravely in the war. And he's very strong, very powerful, very necessary to the American cause. But he's vindicated because he said, this will be terrible, and it was terrible. So. Yeah, he was the voice that John Adams kind of mocked him because John Adams was the man

pushing for independence. He makes independence happen as far as I'm concerned. John Adams is the hero in that. But the man on the other side was John Dickinson in Pennsylvania. He wrote his letters from a farmer. And it's kind of funny to me

how John Adams in his acerbic way in his diaries and letters, he refers to him as the farmer. We're going to be right back, folks. I'm talking to Larry Orne, the president of Hillsdale. College about this glorious new documentary in theaters, May 31st. I'm in it, but you should see it anyway. We'll be right back. Hey there, folks. I've been saying that 2026 must be the year of

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thing that we get to do go to ericmetaxis.com you'll see it there I'm talking to Dr. Larry Arne president of Hillsdale College they have a new film out it's called Revolutionary America, I have the privilege of being in the film, talking about the things of the revolution. And there is so much, Dr. Arne, that we have forgotten or taken for granted.

You just said about, you know, when they signed the declaration, which actually they did on August 2nd, 1776, not on the 4th, the level of trepidation, I think sometimes we act as though, well, it's sort of they joked about it. But there are a number of instances I write about them in my own book where they knew, in fact, that they might well be signing their death warrants. And we say it over and over and it becomes meaningless. But we have to think about this was real. They knew that what they were doing was a hugely brave thing that if they lost, these men would lose everything, including potentially their lives. they trembled and they they they all there's a lot of dark humor in the room among them as they're

signing that day on August 2nd. I've forgotten who says it, but one of them says to another, I have the advantage of you because I'm heavy. It's they hang us, but when they, when they hang us, I'll die fast. It might take you an hour, you skinny thing. You know. That actually, that is in my book. Yeah.

You're the one who relates to that very well, too. I don't know. I don't remember who those two people are. It's in my book. But that's real. And I'm very, very fussy about when I write something about getting it right, not passing along things that are apocryphal. This is real that they knew that this was serious. So they had to joke about it.

So Franklin jokes about it. A number of them joke about it. And I forget who it was, who was about Franklin's age. and he says, my hand trembles, but my heart does not. As he signed it, he was older, but he did it. He understood that we have to stand firm. It's a sacred thing. You referenced also the fact that what they were doing was unprecedented.

And this is another thing in this modern age where everybody thinks that, you know, all Western countries are sort of the same. First of all, they're not, not even close at this point. But there never was a nation where people governed themselves unless he go back to the Israelites at Sinai with no king governing themselves, looking directly to God. This was a dramatic thing in human history, and of course Thomas Payne writes about that.

He sees this as epical, and of course Adams says this is a new epic. But I think we've lost sight of the unprecedentedness of what America is. Yeah, you get the film starts at the beginning with the beginning of the steps to the American Revolution. We have an earlier online course out now called Colonial America, by the way, too. But the thing is, you know, from 13 years from 1763 until 1776,

that's the preamble to the Declaration of Independence. And what do they do? They work out a bunch of arguments because the king starts doing some things. The parliament really does it. and they had not been done to them before. They were interfering with colonial governance in ways that they had not done. And so their reaction to that, they have to work that out, and it took 13 years of conflict for them to get clarified in their minds

why they should do what they did on July 2nd to the 4th. And that's, you know, in other words, it's a pamphlet war in part, one of our best sources for it tend to be newspaper articles and pamphlets and letters that they write, but a pamphlets especially. And they're arguing with the parliament in the king, and they're arguing with one another. And they work out how the principles of the laws of nature and nature's God require that we not be governed except by our consent. And that's that discussion, that debate is what produces the resilience in the revolution later. Also, the film makes a very good point about this. These are very rugged people.

You know, the ordinary soldiers, like the shooting actually opens with, you know, death, of course, but also from our point of view, a glorious kind of episode. because the British march their guys out with their uniforms and their excellent equipment, and they march on Lexington and Concord, and they go home with their tail between their legs because they'd never fought anybody like us before. Forgive me for cutting you off. That's a hard break. We'll be right back with that, the rest of those thoughts.

Forgive me, I'll be right back. Welcome back. I'm talking to Dr. Larry Arne, president of Hillsdale. they have a new documentary out. I've got the privilege of being in it. It's called Revolutionary America in theaters May 31st. And you were just saying Dr. Orne about Lexington and Concord. I was just there at Lexington and at Concord and in Boston,

retracing the route. And it is holy ground. It is extraordinary actually to be there to know that history. But before I could. cut you off in the last segment. You were talking about that. Well, people, the great Victor Hansen, buddy mine, makes a powerful point that's been made down through history. When peoples go to war, they fight the way they live. You know, the American Army has always fought differently than other countries. The Germans in the Second

World War had a lot of trouble figuring us out because we were amazingly adaptable. And that's, and turned out to be brave, they thought we wouldn't be. But that's because of the way we live. You know, a free economy and a free society is a system of competition and cooperation. And it's spontaneous, right? And so the Americans, you know, the British have, you know, they fought these European wars and they're in ranks and they're drilled like crazy. By the end of the war, we got pretty good at that too. But at the beginning, there was something that persisted to the end as well,

and that is we just figured out how to dart around and fight and not get killed ourselves, hiding behind trees, hiding behind walls. And the British were simply exasperated by the first experience of that, and they come home with their tail between their legs. And that's how it ended, too. Basically, I was going to say I still can't believe I was just there, you know, days ago on the bridge in Concord. And I was able to look up and think that's the hill where the Concord militia were on that hill and the British troops were on this side of the bridge. And there's a moment to me, I write about it, of course, in my book, an extraordinary moment where the Concordered militia come down.

that hill toward the British troops and their in formation. The Americans are in formation. And I just think that the British troops were just astonished. It was like the Americans might as well have been flying on broomsticks. It was so strange to see Americans moving forward toward the British in military formation. And of course, the British at that point break and run. it's humiliating. And I really think that everything changes on both sides. The Americans are just filled with pride

and the British realize we're not so sure what we've gotten ourselves into. Yeah, yeah. I think the commander at Lexington said before the first the smaller engagement on the way to Concord said that his order was do not fire unless fired a pawn.

But if they want war, let it begin here. And that's where it's. started. And yeah, they stood up to it. The film is narrated by Tom Selleck, and we know him a bit. Am I in the first 10 minutes? I just want to know. You are. You are. You might be the first expert interviewer. You're certainly early. Well, I don't want to blow it for people who haven't seen it yet, but I'm riding a mini bike down a highway. It's very cinematic, folks. It's beautiful.

Now, it's just, it really is, it's wonderful that you all have made this. And I don't know, are you able to talk about the fact that it's going to be a series? So the film is just the first burst of this? The film will be in theaters, 900 theaters, I think, around the country for three days starting May 31st. If you want a two-hour encapsulation of the American Revolution, I just watched it and I'm responsible for it. Nevertheless, I will say, it's the best thing like that I've ever seen. Well, listen, I'm not at all surprised.

I know the work you all do at Hillsdale. It is always spectacular. And folks, we've got a final segment coming up. But I just want to exhort you. Let's make this film a hit. A film that tells the true story of the birth of the United States of America. It needs to be a hit, folks. Please go into theaters. Check it out. We'll be right back.

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They've produced, by all accounts, a spectacular documentary on The Revolution. I have the privilege of being involved in it. And so does Tom Selleck. What do you think of that? So I want people to, I want you buy tickets, folks. So the website, I haven't given it to you till now. It's Hillsdale.edu slash revolution. I'll say it again at the end of the segment,

hillsdale.edu slash revolution. But I always say this. When somebody makes something really wonderful, we got to support it. There's a lot of garbage out there and a lot of stuff that maybe it's not garbage, but it's just not so wonderful. I'm thinking of Ken Burns' PBS documentary.

What a gigantic disappointment that was to me. It didn't really make me that excited about being an American. It made the whole thing seem kind of, eh, you know, kind of, oh, well, yeah, stuff happened,

you know, 20 years ago and here's some of that stuff. Very strange. And, of course, my book and this documentary are quite different from that point of view.

Quite, you, you, you've taken a position. So, you know, first of all, the human gift

is to understand things, things in their essence. And when it comes to the past, you have to read it on its own terms, right? In other words, the American Revolution is about

whether a people can govern themselves by reflection and choice. That's the first paragraph of the Federalist Papers. And that's the issue, right? And things that are red-hot topics today

are not the issue, because that claim was new in 1776. The king actually makes an address from the throne that gives a partial response to the digress of independence, and he basically says, I was born to a station, and I don't have any choice about it. I must govern you. I must do that well, whether I want to or not.

And you were born to a station, and you must obey. You see, and that's the world before the Declaration of Independence. And so the American Revolution is about that question. And then the film doesn't end with the Treaty of Paris and the 1783 and the end of the fighting, which went on, by the way, for two years after the Battle of Yorktown. it ends with the Constitution coming into place because after we won independence from Britain,

then for the first time we had to figure out how to do something and how to do something that no people had ever done before, which was have a purely representative fond of government, all authority coming from the consent of the government. Nobody had ever done that before. So that too was a struggle. And, you know, not only were conditions bad often and even miserable bad, often during revolution, they were terrible after, too, for years.

There was massive inflation. There was economic Darth. There was open rebellion, especially in Massachusetts. You know, and we couldn't cope. And, you know, we were a joke. And the British, whom we had to. beaten, forced into a treaty to recognize our independence, kept their forts. And the treaty says they vacate them. They didn't. We weren't strong enough to make them. Right. It was a, this new,

grand, wonderful experience for the first decade, roughly, was a laughing stock. And then they figured out how to write a constitution. And so then after that, we got stronger. Well, you mentioned the whole thing is amazing. And again, I've said it many times people, you know, folks, you're responsible for this. This is on the test. If you're an American, you need to know this stuff. This is not like extra credit for people who love history. This is basic stuff.

And everybody's responsible for it. And it's beautiful, many beautiful stories, amazing stories, powerful stories, important figures, heroes, great heroes, villains. But, you know, Dr. And you were just talking about King George responding to declaration and talking in a way, what I find interesting in my own research, just the idea that the English were getting there in the 17th century. But by the time you get to the 18th century, most of them had forgotten. So you have the Americans in a sense saying, wait a minute, haven't we covered this? You know, you had a glorious revolution. Yeah, but we've covered some of this stuff.

Have you forgotten? And the fact is, they had forgotten, and nobody forgot more than George III. He was willfully forgetful on this stuff. Well, he had, you know, like two of the greatest statesmen in British history are both, three, the elder and the younger pit and Edmund Burke. And the younger pit and Edmund Burke were friends of the American Revolution. They just weren't in power at the time.

And if they had been, we might be sort of like Canada now. I mean, you know, we're not very like Canada, to the truth. But we never be like Canada. In our relationship with the British Crown, we might still be like them. Well, they thought, you know, because remember, they, they drew a hard line to the British government. They passed a series of laws. And then there was major outreach and they repealed them. And then in the course of the repeal, they would pass a resolution that they could do whatever they wanted.

And then they'd pass some more outrageous laws. And so it was a contradictory policy. We're going to give way on this point. But we're going to assert at the same time we can do it again. Well, I mean, yeah, it's like saying I'm not going to punch you, but in writing, I'm going to say that I can if I want to. to later. It's a joke. I mean, I have to say that that's,

it reveals that they really were full of pride, rather than being full of, you know, standing up for any kind of principles. Their only principle was power. And I don't think it's overstating it, not much. But it is fascinating to me how they refused to accede to these. ideas. They just could not buy the idea that the Americans have rights given to them from God,

that there's such thing as natural rights. They just refused. Think how it is very radical. I mean, first of all, monarchy is a very old and respected form of government. And everybody believes that there has to be order. And so monarchy and an aristocracy, especially in the modern world, they're tied to the idea that to get order, you have to have classes in society and some of them in authority. And the moderate monarchies that are not tyrannies and aristocracies that are not oligarchies, they believe that those in authority have obligations too.

Right? And so that's an aristotle, right? That's a common practice for as long as there's been anything called England. It was originally a monarchy. So to overturn that, and to overturn that in the name of the laws of nature and of nature,

nature's God. That's unprecedented. And so one may, you know, I believe that the counselors to the king in the time of the American Revolution were very imprudent. On the other hand, they were confronting something no one had confronted before. Yeah. And they didn't know how. And they couldn't absorb that you could get a kind of order out of this principle that locates responsibility and authority together in every citizen, which if you think about it for a minute is rather like Christianity, you see, then that argument turned into a political argument. Well, it just shows that, you know, it's the reason our armies fight well. We're not raised to be warriors. We don't inherit the title warrior from our fathers,

but we live in a world in which we are responsible for ourselves. And that is the training in the virtues. So that's the claim to counter. You know, my favorite document in the lead up to the American Revolution was written by Thomas Jefferson. It's called the Summary Review of the Rights of British North America. And it was not particularly influential. and Jefferson himself later regarded it,

the key arguments in it were not listened to. But the last paragraph is just Jefferson classic. He's addressing himself to the king, and he said, let those flatter who fear, sire. It is not an American art. In other words, there's the knuckles of the American Revolution, coming at the king right now. And that's, see, that's why John, it's that kind of writing and understanding that made John Adams want Thomas Jefferson to be the author of the Declaration.

Right. That's exactly right. Well, we're out of time. So, folks, I want to exhort you once again. The film is called Revolutionary America coming out May 31st. You've got to see it. You can get tickets at the website. It is Hillsdale.edu slash revolution. Hillsdale.edu slash revolution. We need to make this a success. It matters, folks. These things matter that a film like this is a success. I promise you it is a wonderful film. So this is not, you know, go see it because it's about good stuff. It's a good film.

Hillsdale.edu slash revolution. And Dr. Arne, thank you and thank you Hillsdale generally for making this wonderful film. Thanks for being my guest. Thank you, Eric. Always good to talk. Hey there, folks. We break into a regular programming. We kind of have a news flash here.

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is just ericmetaxis.com. The banner will pop up. And there are all the details there. But I have someplace here. Maybe I don't even have it with me today, but there's a phone number, which we're going to get to you. But I have to say, it is almost crazy that this is happening, that in this day and age, we have this kind of thing going on on the globe. It sounds like something out of history. Unfortunately, evil and slavery are alive and well on the globe today. But the good news is that Christian faith has entered the equation, and people of Christian faith, no slavery is evil, and have the ability, thanks to CSI, to do something about it right now. So it's a tremendous opportunity. The $250. Now, by the way, if you can't give that, give whatever

you can because it all goes to the same thing. But for every $250, it just does, it doesn't just free someone. And Chris, I don't know if you can get us the phone number, but it doesn't just free someone from slavery. It sets them up in a life of freedom. That's what Todd was just talking about. So it's the whole package. Every $250 sets someone free. Go to Ericmetaxis.com. The banner comes up.

All the details are there. I beg you, folks, please participate and thank you. Hey there, folks. I'm coming to you from an undisclosed location that is making me look like Trey Gowdy. I don't understand what is happening here. My hair is doing something weird. But here's the good news.

It's not about me. The reason I'm here right now is because I have to the honor of speaking, you know we have a gold sponsor on this program. It's Genesis Gold. And I was wondering, could we get on the spokesperson, the guy behind Genesis Gold? And his name is Bill Armour, and we got him. Bill, welcome back. Thanks for having me so much, Eric. Great to be here.

Great to talk to people about what's going on in the world because there's a lot to talk about. Well, where do we start? I mean, you know, if I want to tell people up front, please go to Metaxusgold IRA.com. If you've got questions, metaxis gold IRA.com, that's Genesis Gold. But yeah, Phyllis, and help us understand where things are right now with the economy, if you would, Bill. Yeah, happy to. You know, I'll start by saying, as you mentioned, if you go to that the link, the URL that Eric just mentioned, you're going to get a free guide. It's going to cover a lot of what I'm talking about as well as much, much more. So you can read it yourself. But a quick synopsis of what we're seeing. I think people are feeling us is inflation is out of control. And it's been bad for a while, but the problem is not getting better. So April CPI Super Price Index came back, 3.8% year over years, 3.5%, 3.3% the year before. So we're seeing it continue to rise. It's not going away. Right now. Now it's double the Fed's target. They want that at, you know, one, one and a half percent.

So it's still far, far above that target. We're seeing month over month increases. And a lot of that, of course, we can point to a lot of that currently with energy, with what's going on in Iran. That's going to obviously move to, you know, gas, energy, you know, which then gets passed down to businesses. So we're seeing that inflation stay high. And the dollar, you know, really what inflation means when we talk about that is we

mean that your dollar is becoming worth less, right? day over day, month over month. And that's what people are experiencing. So, you know, how does that impact you? Well, your savings are diminishing, right? And that's really the reason here when we talk about tangibles, we talk about gold and silver, that people would move to something like golden silver is that it gives you a sort of protection from that amorphous force that is inflation, $39 trillion in national debt. One statistic I always like to point out is that we spend more servicing our national debt, not paying it back. Just the interest on that is greater than we spend on our entire military budget year over year. So when you see numbers like these, you see

inflation, you see the national debt climbing, the picture that it paints is an unsolvable one. And if the monetary system is an unsolvable issue, what do you do about that? Well, the answer is don't play in the same sandbox, right? Move somewhere else, and that's where gold and silver provides that opportunity to insulate yourself away from a lot of the danger that we're seeing. Well, it's fascinating to me. I mean, there was a time when our dollars were backed by gold. That's not the case. So if you want to be backed by gold, you have to actually get gold or silver. Do something along those lines. And that's why we have you guys as sponsors on the program, because I want people to know where they can go that I trust personally.

So the URL, again, folks, if you want a lot more information than we can give you in a short segment, you go to metaxis gold IRA.com, metaxusgoldir.ira.com. But Bill, talk more about, you know, where you see things going, because I'm fascinated by where we are right now. Yeah, absolutely. Well, you know, it's funny because, you know, in order to talk about where we're going, we can talk about where we've been. And I always, you know, like to mention, because people don't really think of this. Since we left the gold standard in 1971, gold has outperformed not just, you know, bonds or this for that, but outperformed the Dow, right? I mean, people think about stocks as being this volatile thing. But yeah, it produces great returns. Gold has outperformed the Dow by two to one. So for every dollar you've had in the Dow, if you've had it in gold, since we left the gold standard, you've made $2. And we find, I know a lot of people are very surprised by it. You wouldn't think about that because gold is kind of a tortoise and maybe the market often

is the hair. You know, it jumps around and people talk about right now we're in kind of the everything bubble where, you know, stocks, bonds, housing, everything is so high. But gold kind of just, the reason that gold outperforms is because it doesn't often have those massive downturns that you see in the market where people see, you know, 30, 40, 50% of their savings erased, you know, over the course of a couple months. Well, Bill, thank you, folks. You know that we only work with people we trust and we only recommend people we trust.

So Genesis Gold, you can find them at Metaxusgold IRA.com. I recommend you go there, Metaxusgoldir. IRA.com. Bill, thank you so much. Thanks for having me, Eric.