The Eric Metaxas Show - #131 - John Zmirak

Episode Date: June 3, 2026

Today On The Eric Metaxas Show, Eric celebrates the launch of Revolution before talking with John Zmirak about the release of Tina Peters, the Colorado election official imprisoned after challenging the 2020 election narrative. They discuss election integrity, weaponized government, political persecution, January 6 defendants, the Save Act, Tina Peters’s refusal to say the 2020 election was honest, and why John compares her case to the Dreyfus affair. Eric and John also discuss George Washington, providence, the retreat from Long Island, and why America’s founding story still matters today. Subscribe for clips from The Eric Metaxas Show to hear politics and culture from a Christian perspective.⭐ ORDER TODAY:Revolution: The Birth of the Greatest Nation in the History of the World📕: https://a.co/d/0ir3NlapTODAY'S SPONSORS:⭐ FREE SLAVES with CSI: https://csi-usa.org/metaxas/⚖️ Legal Help Center - Get Free Legal Help Today: https://www.legalhelpcenter.com/🛏️ MyPillow — Save BIG with code ERIC: https://www.mypillow.com/☀️ Honest, fast, and free Medicare plan guidance: https://askchapter.com/metaxas/💧 Sentry H2O: https://sentryh2o.com/

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It's been out for a whole 24 hours, so this is very exciting. Last night was very exciting. I want to talk about last night. But let me first say that my guest today in a few minutes is going to be John Zmirak. And we're going to be talking about the Tina Peters situation. She was just released a couple days ago. It's unbelievable. We'll talk about it with John Zimirac.

Unbelievable what people have been through in this country at the hands of weaponized evil, evil government. It's just an outrage. And I guess that's a good way to segue to my book Revolution because when you realize who we're supposed to be as a nation and you realize what we're capable of becoming if we don't keep our eyes on God and on the founding vision, don't understand that. We drift into Joe Biden and his satanic minions, since we know that he was just a brain dead host. And it's unbelievable, actually. So it's important that we understand where we come from. And obviously, that's what my book is about on the revolution. So last night, Chris, you were there. I was. It was a great party. It was a great party, great celebration. I wore bright red

pants. I want to be very clear that that was real. That was not CGI. And it was a great Socrates in the city event. We'll get that up eventually. I gave a talk on my book, The Revolution. And I guess I called it, what is the meaning of America? That was the title of the talk. That's the title of the epilogue of the book. What is the meaning of America? And, but after I gave my talk, I said, I thought we'd do a little Q&A, but then we thought, no, why don't we have somebody interview me?

And I said, who could we get last minute? And who did we get? And I actually interviewed him. But George Washington. Now, folks, this is- All the way up from Mount Vernon. He came all the way up from Mount Vernon, so it was very special.

This was real. This was real. The guy, this is an act. but even that's not it's not right to say he's an actor he's a brilliant Washington scholar who plays the role of George Washington and he used to do this at Mount Vernon so try to imagine the level I would say he probably knows more about George Washington than anyone alive probably by far he is a scholar a genius but he plays the role of Washington,

so he's dressed at Washington. We'll get these photos up, we'll see. If you watch the film The American Miracle, that's him as Washington in the American Miracle. But that's just him playing a role in a movie. He does this interactively. So you ask him questions, and he responds as Washington.

And it's so real that it's intimidating. And I'm not exaggerating. It's intimidating. You feel like you're talking to, it's uncanny, actually. And the name of this scholar is Dan Shippie. Yes, that's right. And I don't know, how do people reach it? Is there a website or something?

I believe it's something like getwashington.com. I'll look it up, but it's something like that. Well, we need to get that out there because this guy, there's nobody like him. I mean, he is so great. And so I was able to sit up there and have a conversation with him in front of the crowd. And I don't know. Meet Washington.com. Meetwashington.com.

Meat. Yes. Meet washington.com. I got to write that town. Meet Washington. He was just beyond. He was amazing. I like the idea of get Washington.com.

Kind of like get shorty, you know, you pick up the phone and you say, get me George Washington. Immediately. Get Washington. But it's meet Washington. But it really is hard to overstate how good he is. He's spectacular. Now, his wife, I didn't know this, we got a two-fer. his wife plays the role of Martha Washington

and you know I didn't get to talk to her much but she's right there like she understands this stuff the way he does it really is let's just put it this way it's beautiful what they do yeah beautiful it was very special yeah I was very so you know of course I got to ask a couple of stupid questions like gosh if you could ask anything of yours Washington what would you ask them so my first question I'm dying to know what's the capital of North Dakota

ha ha ha stupid uh the other question was you know, going out on a limb at General Washington and asking this, but have you ever heard of Abbott and Costello? And he really, he knew someone named Abbott, but he hadn't heard of Abbott and Costello. You know, kind of dumb jokes. And we got, we got very serious. Yeah, but he hadn't heard of North Dakota either

because that wasn't one of the 13 colonies. So he was kind of, he had no idea what North Dakota was. Yeah, he didn't know where that was. and he struck me with his saber, with the flat of his saber in a moment of rage. It was very, it was very frightening.

Okay, so, so last night was the Soxian City event. The book came out yesterday. The book, I want to say, if you go to Amazon to the top, the top, the bestsellers or whatever, it's like number 19 or 21 or so.

It's really, really, really changing. very, very well. Probably the New York Times will have to make it a top bestseller because they can't deny, you know, too big, too big to rig. It's doing very well in the first week. We've been pushing it. Tomorrow, Dave Rubin will have me on his program.

I did Dinesh D'Souza's program. I think that's already aired. Larry Taunted. I've just been, you know, talking to people nonstop. and today I went to a studio in New York where I did one radio hit after the other. So I'm just doing a lot of media because I guess that's what you do. The July 4th is coming up and so we're pushing it. I guess this is the time where I say to everybody,

I would think of it as a good Father's Day gift. It's not a Christian book. It's just a book on the American Revolution. Oh, look, I have a copy right here. Wait a second. There it is. Wow, that's a handsome book. Great for any dad. You know, sometimes dads, you know, I have six kids and we do want an excuse, you know.

The first one is, you know, I got to go to the bathroom. That's the way you get away sometimes for just two seconds of, you know, sometimes you need two seconds of peace. But a book is a good number two, no pun intended, option, second option to kind of get away and have some father time. Let me read my book and let me have my coffee. Get away from me. I can understand that.

Yeah. It's, but I think it would be a great Father's Day gift. Genuinely, I think it would because it's very readable in case. Well, it's funny. There's a mean going around with these men, and it's like, oh, now I'm trying to think of what it is. It's like the joke is these guys are thinking about, what is it, the Russian, the Russian, oh, now I'm screwing it out. But it's this idea that the younger men are getting obsessed with these historical things right now.

And the women are wondering what they're thinking about. I think I saw that. And I didn't want to see it, but I did see it. Well, now, I got to say this because I'll forget a couple of things. First of all, I'm traveling like crazy. I guess the day after tomorrow, I go to Houston. From Houston, I go to Phoenix. From Phoenix, I go to Colorado Springs.

from Colorado Springs, I go to Idaho Falls, Idaho. Ladies and gentlemen, if you can get to Idaho Falls, Idaho, I'm doing two events in Idaho Falls, Idaho. And I've never been to Idaho Falls, Idaho. So I hope if you have a friend in that nick of the woods, would you please let them know seriously? Would you let them know about these events that I'm doing in Idaho Falls, Idaho?

I've never been there. I don't know when I'll get back there, but I'll be signing books. I'm excited about it. Did I mention I'm going to Idaho Falls, Idaho? and then after that I go to Orange County, California. I'm speaking in Greg Lurie's Church, and then I go home and I'm going to take a dirt nap.

Yeah. I looked it up. The meme was the Roman Empire. Man are obsessed with the Roman Empire because it's so rich in history and so sweeping. So I think we're going to replace it with the American Revolution. With the American Revolution, we're going to replace it. Well, yeah, I'm going to, well, I've got a lot of thoughts.

I also want to remind everyone, well, this week, I think, is our final week for CSI. Yeah, we've extended it. So it'll go over it a little bit into next week. But yeah, this is, it's definitely winding down. We've extended it through May, but it will be ending shortly in June. So this is an opportunity to do something unequivocally good. It's an unmitigated good to give something to free.

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we cannot possibly continue to keep the Republic. Hey there, folks. Welcome. I believe today is still Wednesday. And as promised, my guest now, to talk about some really good news, the freeing of Tina Peters, our friend John Zimirak. John, welcome back.

Hi Eric, good to talk to you again. You maybe have to tell the audience about who Tina Peters is because not everybody who is tuned into this program would be familiar with that or follows me on X. But I met Tina Peters strangely enough at Moralago. I think it was the filming of the, sorry, the screening of, sorry, the screening of, of Dinesh D'Souza's film 2000 Yules. I believe that I met Tina Peters. I think Mike Lindell introduced me to her and told me her story.

Little did I know that she would be imprisoned. But please tell our audience who she is and what happened. Sure. I've got an article about this over at Chronicles magazine called Tina Peters Escapes from Devil's Island. Tina Pierce was a Colorado election official who, unlike the rest of the election officials and the people running the state, she wanted an honest election in 2020. She had inkling. She heard evidence that pointed to the likelihood of voter fraud on the night of the presidential election in 2020. She knew that the state was using dominion systems, which was a political.

politically biased left-wing company that got hardware from China and software from the communist regime in Venezuela. They were using the same software that Hugo Chavez used to steal elections in Venezuela. In fact, the software was invented for that purpose. So she took copies of the election records. Like, after the votes came in, she made a copy of the records. A few days later, Later, the state came in and did what they called a trusted bill. What it meant was they purged the evidence. They wiped out the evidence of election fraud. But she still had a copy.

When the state found out, they prosecuted her and managed to put her in prison. And the judge gave her the maximum sentence allowable under the law because he said she was a charlatan engaged in trying to attack our election integrity. And because she would not say the words that the election, the election, the election, election was honest. She would not say that in court because she didn't believe it. He said that was the reason he was giving them the maximum sentence. So he was essentially sentencing her to prison for her political opinion and for trying to do her job. Donald Trump issued her presidential pardon, but that didn't affect the state crimes. So she was still rotting in prison.

She's in her 70s. Her health is frail. She was in the general population with murderers and child abusers and violent criminals of every kind. She was beaten up repeatedly in prison. She was not given protective custody. Clearly, the Colorado officials, such as their secretary of state Griswold, they wanted Tina to die in prison. They wanted to make an example of her. President Trump, to his credit, started putting pressure on the state of Colorado on the

governor, cut holding back federal funds, just putting, you know, laser focus on everything Colorado asked for, if he could, he would say no. So eventually, finally, the governor of Colorado, Jared Paulus, commuted her sentence. And the backlash has been ferocious. People are screaming for his head.

The hatred for Tina Peters. All she did was do her job on election night in 2020 and refuse to say two plus two is five that the 2020 election was on. they wanted her to die in prison just like they want Derek Chauvin to die in prison, just like they were happy when Jake Gardner

the bar owner who defended himself in Omaha, Nebraska, when he defended himself against a George Floyd looter who was trying to kill him, they goaded him to suicide. They want us dead or in gulags. A New York Times, Paul Krugman, long time New York Times

writer, just said, America needs to be demagified the way Germany was denotified. In other words, they want purged trials. They want something like the Nuremberg trials for Donald Trump and those who work for him and his supporters. Hillary Clinton has said Trump supporters need to be reeducated. They might have to be incarcerated and reeducated. The left has adopted a new fanatical religion and it's willing to be. to persecute nonbelievers.

And Tina Peters was one of the main victims. In my piece of Chronicles, John, forgive me, your pieces of Chronicles magazine, we're going to come right back. We've got plenty time to talk to our friend John Smirik. This is an important story. Folks, before we go, I want to recommend to you in case you want to do something crazy and beautiful, we are doing another campaign with our friends at CSI. These folks are heroes.

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Click on the banner. Very important. Welcome back talking to Johns Merak about Tina Peters, who by the grace of God two days ago was finally freed from prison. She was in there for almost two years. She is, you know, she's an attractive woman. She's in her 70s. She is a grandmother. I had the privilege of meeting her. She's just a sweet woman. Suzanne and I met her. This is a few years ago. And you can't believe that in America, somebody like that, like a really good person trying to do her job. would be singled out.

And John, I'm going to go back to what you said about that the judge said because she would not parrot whatever lies he was insisting on. That's why he threw the book at her. It seems to me that that's unconstitutional. Well, it was found to be unconstitutional by a judicial panel in Colorado. But it happens all the time. A large percentage of the January 6 defendants as part of their plea deal in order to avoid doing even more jail time than they already did for nonviolent offenses, like trespassing,

a large percentage of them had to say in court that the 2020 election wasn't stolen as a condition of their plea deal. We know that's not documented. I mean, what is that? How can they, first of all, how can they get away with it? Secondly, how can they not get in trouble for having done that? The judges who would do a thing like that, can they not? not get in trouble, ought they not to get in trouble for that?

Well, they could be impeached, but they won't be because our do nothing Senate is not going to do that. Our Senate won't even pass the SAVE Act. Our Senate won't even let Trump make his appointments. They won't even go into recess so that Trump can't make recess appointments. The Republican Senate is actively helping the Democrats to wreck this country. So yes, in theory, the system should correct this. kind of judicial bias, but in fact, it doesn't. In fact, it doesn't. The reason they act this way is because they have the ethics of Karl Marx.

Karl Marx believed the end justified the means. Everything is worthwhile if it leads to the revolution. Our attachment to abstract norms of fairness, they dismiss as a bourgeois mystification, whatever serves social justice. So they will lie, they will cheat, they will steal. Look at all the people who wanted the Trump assassination attempts to succeed. Look at the people who celebrated the death of Charlie Kirk. These are not people you can reason with.

These are not people you can persuade. These are people who you must defeat. You must defeat them and humiliate them. You must humiliate them. Their defeat must be bitter and galling. And they need to just basically have crises. in their lives and something has to break because it's as if they are possessed and exorcisms are not friendly affairs. I don't, I'm not sure exactly what you're meaning, what you mean

when you say that, but I think, well, I'll explain. The left has to lose and has to lose big. It has to lose embarrassingly. It has, we have to beat them with good, strong candidates like Ken Paxson in Texas, Donald Trump, they need to be defeated convincingly and they need to be mocked for it because they are in the grip of a religious hysteria. And just as the prophet Elijah mocked the priests of bail, we must mock the priests of bail.

Well, you know, I agree with this. I guess I'm just fascinated that we've had so much of this in this country and there's so many people that don't care or that they've adopted that worldview that you said it's, you know, Karl Marx worldview. I mean, it's fundamentally un-American. I think of, you know, you and I were talking about

my book on The Revolution, how John Adams, in 1770, decides to defend the British soldiers in the Boston massacre because he thought, you know, yes, I'm on the side of the Patriots, but we need to be fair. We believe in fair. as a principle. We believe in the rule of law. It's not mob justice. We need enough Americans that understand that. And I think that we don't have them. And I'm not talking about some Mike

Pence type civility. I'm not talking about that because, you know, we have to fight. Yeah, at the same time, we have to fight fairly. We have to believe in principles. And the extent to which the left does not is startling to me. Yeah. Well, so in my piece of Chronicles, I compare the persecution of Tina Peters and other Trump supporters like John Eastman and Sidney Powell and Rudolph Giuliani. I compare it to the 19th century persecution in France of Colonel Alfred Dreyfus. Colonel Dreyfus was the only Jewish Frenchman ever to rise to the general staff in the French army. He was falsely accused of treason, of espionage. John, this is, I'm sorry, we're going to another break. We've got a long segment

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John, you're just telling us about the famous 19th century story of the Dreyfus Affair. I remember it vaguely. I guess I studied it in college at some point. explain to the audience again what that is because it relates to where we are today. Go ahead. The reason I'm so familiar with it is there was a terrific movie made of it in the early 90s starring Richard Dreyfuss. No relation. Richard Dreyfus did not play Colonel Dreyfus. He played Colonel Picard, who was a French Catholic officer, actually personally kind of anti-Semitic. but he discovered that Dreyfus was innocent.

He was the whistleblower. He found evidence. Dreyfus was falsely accused of selling military secrets to the Germans. In fact, someone else had been selling the secrets. But because he was Jewish, they scapegoated him as the traitor because they thought Jews really weren't fundamentally loyal to France. What year roughly are we talking about? 1880s. Okay.

So this is the 1880s. Yes. This is 10 years after France had lost a humiliating war against Prussia and had it had Paris occupied. The government was overthrown. There were riots. There was a revolution. It almost destroyed the country. The Archbishop of Paris was murdered by communists in the Paris commune.

So 10 years later, someone is selling military secrets to the hated Germans. And they finger the Jewish guy. Now, he had nothing to do with it. It wasn't even his handwriting, the note that they found. In fact, it would later come out that a Colonel Esther Hasey, who was a notorious gambler, bankrupt because of his gambling debts, he had sold the military secrets to the Germans, and they weren't even particularly good secrets. The information was actually obsolete.

But the French army convicted Dreyfus and sent him to Devil's Island, the worst prison on earth, where people routinely, died of tropical diseases. They stripped him of his rank. They ripped off his epaulets. They humiliated him publicly. They shipped him to Dennell's Island. Evidence kept emerging, thanks to Colonel Picard,

that Dreyfus was innocent, and they kept covering it up. They actually found the real traitor, and they acquitted him in a secret trial, just so they could leave Dreyfus in prison. So opinion in France got so violent about this. If you think people are divided over January 6th, That's nothing compared to the Dreyfus affair. And unfortunately, the right wing, the conservatives, the Catholics, the military, united against Dreyfus. They didn't even really care if he was guilty.

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Wayfair, every style, every home. They wanted to vindicate. institutions. They wanted to protect themselves and their self-esteem, so they were willing to let this innocent man rot in prison. Although I have to say, some prominent Catholics were for Dreyfus. The great poet Charles Pagy, Pope Leo the 13th, said Dreyfus was innocent and unjustly in prison. But a lot of the people in the church in the army, they just didn't listen. Finally took the novelist Emil Zola writing a newspaper article called, I. accuse, Jacques

where he laid out all the facts of how criminally negligent and corrupt the investigation had been and he knew he would be prosecuted for libel. But in that prosecution all the facts would come out. Indeed, the facts came out.

The army was humiliated. Dreyfus was vindicated. Unfortunately, the French left. You took advantage of this and actually passed a series of laws robbing the Catholic Church of the all its property, seizing control of its schools, and expelling all the religious orders from France.

So because they were willing to use unjust means and willing to persecute an innocent man, all these French institutions, the church, the army, were humiliated and actually persecuted by the government. And some of the people who were organized against Dreyfus would later go on to be Nazi collaborators during World War II and take part in the deportation of Jews from France to concentration camps. Also, on the other side, the left used this as a pretext to persecute the church and further purge

its institutions of anyone remotely conservative. I compare this to the Tina Peters case. However, in some ways, the Tina Peter's case is worse. The French army wasn't trying to do a broad, wide-scale persecution of Jews. They were just persecuting one innocent man for corrupt motives. The reaction after the 2020 election, the persecution of January 6 protesters, the FBI raiding pro-lifers with rifles at dawn, the weaponization of government against Christianity

that has been exposed by the Trump administration, all of this was orchestrated, part of an intentional national campaign to persecute anyone, who pointed to evidence of election fraud. And ultimately, anyone who supported Donald Trump or traditional American values, the pro-life movement, pro-family movement,

are left behaved even worse than the French army did towards Colonel Dreyfus. I wanted to celebrate the return of Tina Peters from prison the way good people celebrated the return of Colonel Dreyfus from Devil's Island. Well, John, this is, I mean, first of all, thanks for the history lesson. I forgot about the Dreyfus Affair.

But it is a, it's a very famous story. I'm sure. The movie is called Prisoner. The movie's called Prisoner of Honor and it's free on YouTube. Prisoner of Honor starring Richard Dreyfus. And Oliver. Read. A lot of great actors are in this.

Prisoner of Honor starring Richard Dreyfus. Oliver. You love this movie. Read. Okay. Who plays Emil Zole. I don't remember. It was not a famous,

not a famous actor. But it's, the movie focuses on the Catholic officer, Pekar, who himself isn't that fond of Jewish people, but he's, he wants to do the right thing. And his career is ruined.

He is in prison for a while for telling the truth. So in a way, he's also sort of like Tina Peters. Tina Peters went to jail for telling the truth. Do you think Tina Peters will be exonerated more officially? I mean, it's one thing for her not to be in jail. Praise God.

Thank God. And thank President Trump, my goodness. But it seems like, you know, we want real justice. It's not enough that she's not in jail. I mean, the fact that people would do this in the United States of America is so scandalous. But you're saying because of the Republicans, the rhino. Forker. Yeah. The rhino, the rino, okay, why don't the rhinos want the save act? Why don't they want to fix election fraud? Our friend David Clements, who did a lot, really fought for Tina Peters. One of the great reasons she's free. David Clement said, the rhinos want election fraud because, yes, Democrats cheat in the general election, but the rhinos cheat in the primaries. The rhinos stuff ballot boxes use corrupt elections, in the primaries. They were desperate to stop Ken Paxton. But because Ken Paxton had defeated a bunch

of lawsuits by Mark Elias and other groups aimed at corrupting Texas elections, our elections are not as corrupt here in Texas as they are in other states. The rhinos would have cheated to stop Ken Paxton and keep John Corny in office, but they couldn't. But they would be absolutely willing to. And I wonder how many of these people in the Senate know they only win their primaries because of election fraud so they don't want the Save Act. They're as bad as the Democrats. Democrats cheat in the general. Rhinos cheat in the primaries. I guess it's a little bit hard for me to believe that that many of them are that corrupt. I can understand a couple of them.

But have faith. You don't think. How little faith in human nature. But John, I mean, look. I always want to be sure. And so I think of something like a John Thune. I'm no fan of John Thune, but it is just a little hard for me to believe

that he really is against, you know, cleaning up cheating in the elections. That's kind of a dramatic thing. But Eric, but Eric, he is. He is stopping it personally. So you have to wrap your head around that fact. These Republicans are blocking election reform. There is no rational,

explanation for it other than they benefit from it. 80% of the public cross-party lines favors the Save Act. And these senators are doing everything to stop it. What non-corrupt motive can use sight? I keep wondering. I mean, I wonder whether somebody can explain it to me in a way that at least gives me some idea that it's not just pure corruption. I mean, I know.

Maybe I have John Fund on and he can speak up. out for it. I don't, you know, I'm sure there's plenty people that we get up on, but I'm not going to. The, has Tina Peters talked about what she's going to do at this point? Does she still live in Colorado? She is still in Colorado and I think she should get out because they're going to find a way to put her back in jail. They're going to find a way. I think she should leave the state of Colorado, move here to Texas, and run for office. I think all of the folks, that have been persecuted like that, I think of my friend John Strand,

who is running for Congress, they need to run for office. They need to take what's been done to them and to use what they've learned and their emotions in a way to help the country. We're going to be right back. I'm talking to Johns Merrick. Don't forget our campaign with CSI.

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Welcome back talking to John Zemirak. John, you wanted to talk about the providential themes in my book on the American Revolution. I think you just were saying that. Yeah, I mean, you point to multiple incidents, especially around the person of George Washington, things that seem miraculous. All the bullets would pierce his coats in various battles

because he was famously fearless. He was very tall. He was an easy target. He never hid. He never stayed behind the lines. He was always up front leading the men by example. Bullets pierced his coat, killed his horse, pierced his hat. There are so many occasions where Washington should have died.

And then what about the crossing the escape from Long Island? Well, yeah, from Brooklyn. Just how amazing that incident was. It's, first of all, Washington, more than once, very dramatically and clearly explicitly said, we ought not to have won. We have seen the Hand of Providence intervene in our affairs. dramatically. And I, some point in the book, I say deists or deists or deus, they don't talk like that. This is a man who believes God acts in history and that God acted in history during the

revolution. And nobody was in a better position to see that than George Washington. And one of the clearest examples is the retreat from, I mean, it's one of my favorite parts of the book, but the story of the battle of Long Island or the Battle of Brooklyn, I mean, they pretty much get wiped out. The British outflank them and they're driven, you know, to that part of Brooklyn

on the East River. And they're sitting ducks. It's over. It's absolutely over. And all General Howe needs to do is keep going and crush him. And he is gun shy. So there's a lot of weird things

that happened, but everybody says he ought to have pushed his advantage and it would be over. But he was gun-shy because what happened at Bunker Hill, he was afraid, really, that it would be too bloody. He could have ended the revolution then and there, but he hesitates. It was kind of like Dunkirk. It was kind of like Dunkirk, where the British Army was trapped against the sea, and if the Germans had pushed forward, they would have obliterated the British Army in one World War II for Hitler.

Something, maybe the hand of gods. Stomping makes them stop. So that's just part of it. So they give Washington suddenly some time, and they do not send the ships up the East River, which would have sealed the escape route to go across the river. They don't do, he doesn't do that for some reason. It's very strange.

The wind then changes, the weather changes dramatically. A huge Nor'easter comes in, and it's just pouring rain. And so now the ships cannot come up. And during this, Washington realizes, or actually, I forget who it is, I don't know if it's Joseph Reed, I'm forgetting who it was, but says to him, your only option right now, sir, is you need to retreat. And we don't know if it's going to succeed, but if you can, this is what you need to do. So they scour the shoreline all the way up, I mean, everywhere, you know, to get boats. and they make this secret in the middle of the night retreat,

the Marblehead Division, John Glover of Marblehead, Massachusetts. These are seamen who know how to row these big boats. And they start in the middle of the night taking the troops across to safety in Manhattan. This is right about where the Brooklyn Bridge is now, where this happened. And that alone is kind of miraculous. It's crazy and miraculous. But about a third of the army had not yet made it across

as the sun is rising. And they know the moment there's daylight before the sun rises, it's over. The British are going to see it. They're going to come in. They're going to crush them. It's horrible.

Everybody reported that a bizarre, utterly opaque fog descends over the British and the Americans. No one can see anything. So it may as well still be midnight. They continue fearing the final 3,000 troops across. They all escape. The moment they're all safe on Manhattan

shore, the fog lifts and the British think, holy cow, they've flown the coop. What happened? I mean, it's a crazy story and everyone who was there says it was, this was miraculous. I mean, there are many stories that are similar, but that's the clearest one.

It's kind of like the parting of the Red Sea, you know? The idea that the hand of God is on America is a fascinating one. I we can talk more about that another time, but it is Washington felt that that was the case and most of the leaders,

John Adams and others, really felt this is a sacred cause and it is because of that that God is with us and we're going to fight God's way. And if we fight God's way, he'll give us the victory. And guess what happened he did? Thank you, John.

Hey there, folks, we break into a regular programming. We kind of have a news flash here. In case he didn't know, I'm excited to get for a few minutes at least Todd Chapman on the program. He's a spokesperson for CSI Christian Solidarity International. Some of you know that we are right now doing a campaign to free slaves literally. This is a big deal. I see it as a great opportunity for people who believe in truth and justice to be able to act on those values.

and Todd, we're just always grateful when you can come on and give us a little more explanation of what it is we're talking about. Yeah, Eric, grateful to be back. And I got to tell you, this is, it's always a highlight of my schedule of my year when I get to come before you and your audience. And give an update, first of all, as to the incredible difference that the Eric Pataxus audience is making in the lives of so many individuals that, frankly, the world doesn't know about or has largely forgotten about. And I'm talking about women and children who have been enslaved for literally decades. Well, at least the women. The kids, not so much because they're still very young. But these women, they've been enslaved in Sudan since the 1990s.

And CSI, in partnership with Eric Metaxus, thanks to your generosity, has been able to free literally tens of thousands of those individuals and bring them back into a new life of freedom. So we're so excited to be here and invite you to help us free even more. more slaves this month. Please. Please. I mean, it's the problem, Todd, is it's almost unbelievable. Even to me, you know, when you say things like this, that we freed, you know, 1,300 human beings, I just think, can it, can it be?

I mean, and I know it's true, but it is very hard to get my head around. So for people who aren't familiar with what it is we're talking about, talk to them. Go ahead. Visit BetMDM, Casino, and, you know, Check out the newest exclusive. The Price is Right Fortune Pick. BetMDM and GameSense remind you to play responsibly. 19 plus to wager.

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what is, CSI does a lot of things. But the freeing of these Sudanese slaves is their primary focus. The only organization in the world that's actually focused on liberating these precious women and children. And people are shocked. They're like, you know, I've never even heard about this. So what happened was back in the late 1980s, Muslim marauders were basically allowed to do a bit of a kind of like a religious cleansing against Christians living. in what is now South Sudan. And when I say they were allowed to do a cleansing, they were armed by the government,

allowed to go in and ruthlessly murder men and, you know, take enslave the women and children in these Christian villages. And they took them up into the north, what's now North Sudan, and they've been held enslaved ever since then. And it became evident as CSI was working with the governments there to, you know, to get these slaves freed,

that the governments had no inclination to do that. So CSI just said, well, we'll see what we can do and brought it to their supporters, and we've been bringing it to Eric Metaxus listeners now for a number of years. And what's all said and done, over 100,000 of the Sudanese slaves, now grown women, many of them, most of them were taken captive when they were children, and now they're grown women, but they've lived their entire life in slavery. We're setting them free, bringing them back into South Sudan, reuniting them, reintegrating them into their home. village whenever we can and setting them up in a brand new life of freedom. And it's just a really beautiful opportunity for you, if you've never heard about this before, to step in and give a gift that literally will set a human being free. It's awesome. Well, again, it seems almost unbelievable, but I want to encourage my audience, folks, this is true. We've been doing this for a number of years

without you and your support. We don't do this. We can't do this. So it is up to you. The easiest way to do it is go to my website. It's just Ericmetaxis.com. The banner will pop up. And there are all the details there. But I have someplace here. Maybe I don't even have it with me today. But there's a phone number, which we're going to get to you.

But I have to say, it is almost crazy that this is happening that in this day and age, we have this kind of thing going on on the globe. It sounds like something out of history. Unfortunately, even. and slavery are alive and well on the globe today. But the good news is that Christian faith has entered the equation and people of Christian faith, no slavery is evil, and have the ability, thanks to CSI, to do something about it right now. So it's a tremendous opportunity. The $250, now, by the way, if you can't give that, give whatever you can because it all goes to the same thing.

But for every $250, it just does, it doesn't just, it doesn't. just free someone. And Chris, I don't know if you can get us the phone number, but it doesn't just free someone from slavery. It sets them up in a life of freedom. That's what Todd was just talking about. So it's the whole package. Every $250 sets someone free. It is really just, I guess the way I see it, Todd, is this is faith in action. If anybody else, you know, what can I do? What can I do? you can do this. Everybody can participate in this. Again, the easy way to do it is go to Ericmetaxis.com. The banner comes up. All the details are there. I beg you, folks, please participate and thank you.