The Eric Metaxas Show - #132 - Dave Rubin

Episode Date: June 4, 2026

Today On The Eric Metaxas Show, Eric talks with Dave Rubin about Trump’s lasting impact on the Republican Party, why the old GOP is not coming back, and what the future of MAGA may look like after Trump. They discuss Mike Pence, Bill Maher, Dave’s move from classical liberalism into the MAGA coalition, the Democrats’ radical turn, Kamala Harris, Pete Buttigieg, Gavin Newsom, Ron DeSantis, the 2026 midterms, and why normal Americans may keep moving right as the left grows more extreme. Subscribe for clips from The Eric Metaxas Show to hear politics and culture from a Christian perspective.⭐ ORDER TODAY:Revolution: The Birth of the Greatest Nation in the History of the World📕: https://a.co/d/0ir3NlapTODAY'S SPONSORS:⭐ FREE SLAVES with CSI: https://csi-usa.org/metaxas/⚖️ Legal Help Center - Get Free Legal Help Today: https://www.legalhelpcenter.com/🛏️ MyPillow — Save BIG with code ERIC: https://www.mypillow.com/☀️ Honest, fast, and free Medicare plan guidance: https://askchapter.com/metaxas/

Hey there, folks. Welcome to the show. I call it the Eric Metaxis show, but of course I'm biased. What are you going to do? The good news for you is that typically I have what I like to call guests on the show. This is people other than Eric Metaxis, and I get to talk to them about all kinds of interesting stuff. Typically, I agree with them, and so it's not that stressful for me. It's not really a debate.

It's just a fun conversation. Today, I have as my guest, someone, I'm sure most of you are very familiar with Dave Rubin. Perhaps you've heard of him. He's the host of the Ruben Report on Blaze TV, YouTube, blah, blah, blah. Dave Rubin, welcome to this program. Great to see you. Metaxis, that was the most technical intro to a show I've ever heard, the explanation of what a guest is, explaining what you do as the host. I had no idea what I was walking into here.

I feel very, so I just have to stay in this seat and talk to you through the microphone now. That's about it. That's about it. I think I can do that. We're just playing these roles. I play the role of the host. You play the role with guests. You know what I'm saying?

Nobody's going to check if that's real or anything. It's just a, we're just just a kabuki theater. There's no rules online. But you have your own, you have your own show. So for all people know, you're interviewing me. Who's to say in this topsy, turvy world, who's to say what's right or wrong? You know what I'm saying? But you, I want to talk to you about, actually, I'll tell you a story.

A couple days ago was the launch of, of my book. And I realized that we're doing it at a club here in New York City. And someone else was having the book launch event for their book in the club the same night. Oh. And that person was former vice president, Mike Pence. And it was so weird to me because it made me think a few years ago, I like Mike Pence. the vice president. I knew him. And we now live in a completely different world where obviously

Mike Pence is putting himself forward as an alternative to that short-fingered vulgarian Donald Trump and those who would praise him. And so Mike Pence has come out with a book. I cannot imagine, and I'm very creative, but I can't imagine anybody who would want to read that book. I can't imagine that a page of it wouldn't put you to sleep and quickly. And I thought to myself, there are people who are convinced that, you know, all this Trump,

this bad Trump stuff is going to go away and we're going to have our happy Republican Party again where we can all be kind of like, you know, a finger in the wind, gutless rhinos and kind of drift along and lose to the Democrats while the world goes to hell and we lose the nation, wouldn't that be fun? And it really just shocked me that there are folks out there dedicated to this,

to this alternative view who still somehow believe that that's a thing. And so I guess I want to talk about, you know, Trump's influence in the Republican Party. I mean, I guess the way Pence has framed it, and this, again, I have to laugh. I don't know what you think, but it's like, it's like this is real conservatism. That other stuff is scary populism. You know, you've heard of populism, like where the people vote and a lot of them actually like something and it's actually popular and they elect the guy, that's scary. That's scary to us.

We prefer that a tiny cabal coterie of elites would be the ones to decide who wins. Populism's scary. I don't know. Like, that's just my first blush take. I just shrug in disbelief. Well, you gave me a couple of things there. First off, I just have one question for you. Did the parties end up, did you have to share a bathroom?

I mean, did any of these people communicate with each other there? Or were they on different floors or what? Let me just say I can't talk about what went down. Fair enough. It was, uh, you know what a ditty party is like, right? Oh, Lord. It was the opposite of that, whatever that means to you, whatever that means to you. It was very dry, it sounds like.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what that means. Okay, so you gave me a couple things there. Um, well, look, I'm completely with you. on this idea that nothing will ever be the same after Trump. You hear this a lot from people that are the kind of chattering class, like, oh, you know, there's a couple versions of it. One version would be Trump was sort of a necessary evil because he did wake us up to some

things, but then it will go away after because we won't need it anymore. You could hear the version of, oh, he was just, you know, the bull in the China shop and he destroyed everything and now we'll never get any of it back or blah, blah, blah. I think you can make some decent arguments around some of those things. I think what I said 10 years ago when Trump was just coming on to the stage and I did not vote for him the first time around. I voted for the libertarian Gary Johnson and I should be judged accordingly. You know, most people, I think at the time, they wanted a panther in the China shop. They wanted a panther to open the door and kind of sly and slically walk through the China shop and knock one thing off with its tail and bump some other thing and then nicely close the door.

and the shop would basically be the same, but there would have been a few little adjustments. But the phrase is not a panther in a china shop. The phrase is a bull in a china shop. And that's what we got with Trump. Now, guys like you and I think that that is largely good. And I pray that the midterms go well for the Republicans because that means we have two final years of Trump as president where he will have no constrictions as it relates to future elections. And whatever it is, he feels he has to clean up or right now, you know, it's like, We're still trying to wrap up the Iran war, so we've kind of eased up on deportations because it feels like he can only do so many things at once. If he gets to the other side of the midterms and the Republicans are still in power, he can do an awful lot. And I think he deserves our trust, to whatever extent you can trust a politician and our support in doing that. You know, the guys like Mike Pence, you know, they want to have their ideals.

And it's lofty. You talk a lot about ideals, obviously, and ideas. and it's important to have things that you truly believe in. But then there's also real politic. And Trump understands real politic, I would say, better than he cares about the perfect set of ideals. And I just don't think that works in Pence's world. And, you know, I was at one of the debates. Remember, Pence ran for president last time around, and he was in a couple of debates.

And what you said was quite right. It was like you couldn't find a supporter in the building. It was unclear if he showed up with anyone there. And he got on stage and, you know, he's so stiff. And he's, you know, for someone that was vice president for four years, that he's so not camera ready and that he can, all he can do is just repeat the talking point. He can't, he can't emote and any of that stuff.

It just doesn't fly anymore. So my hope is that after Trump, if you just look, if we just quickly off the top of our head, named three or four people that could take the mantle. So you have JD, you have Marco, you have DeSantis. let's even throw in a couple more, if you want to say Hegseth or Jr. or whoever, there's a bunch of people that you kind of really do know what they think. They feel like competent people who could move forward, who maybe wouldn't do as much of the trolling that Trump has done or the mean tweets.

And I think basically what will happen is that all of the things that Trump did, all of the behaviors that you either love or you hate or whatever, and all the people that decide their worldview based on him, I mean, I think that's right, basically the main symptom of Trump derangement syndrome. Trump says something you do the opposite. I think there is a chance we will get to something that will be between Trump and Pence. Meaning, if you had Marco Rubio as president or JD, it doesn't matter, any of these guys, would they be competent? Yeah.

Would they know how to play the internet game a little bit? Yeah, you can kind of see it. They show up to MMA things now. You know, J.D. likes the fat meme thing. Rubio. you know, there's all the means about Rubio doing all the jobs. Now, I think we're going to get something post-Trump that will be that will probably moderate what people would say

would be the excesses of Trump. The only thing I would say on the counter side of that is if the Democrats go full on commie, the Republicans might have to ramp up the craziness too. And that really is the risk. But isn't that the whole point why we've needed Trump? Because they have gone, I mean, we're living in a world that you're, your normal people understand like that's insane.

This is no longer. We're not dealing with Dick Gephard or Gary Hart or Mike Bacchus. Or even Bill Clinton. We're dealing with sought off or Bill Clinton. We're dealing with sought off lunatics that whatever, if Trump is for cleaning up the fountain, they are pro slime and scum. Like that's the world we're in. Well, like cleaning up the fountain.

That's so bourgeois and elitist. Like, you know, we wanted to look disgusting because. that's kind of like how the homeless wanted or something. There's no logic. Well, that's why, look, if you were to just, if we had a DeLorean and 1.21 gigawatts of power and we could go back to 1985, Donald Trump would be a moderate New York Democrat. And most of the Democrats of now would be thought of as fringe, crazy lunatics, right? So the average MAGA guy of 2026 basically is a moderate, what we used to call Blue Dog

Democrat of 1985. The current Democrat is not even on the playing field of what politics was in 1985. And the conservative, let's say, of 1985, the real Reagan conservative is just a little bit to the right of what, you know, is just a piece of MAGA, but on the more right side. That's right. I've found it very easy to be part of MAGA because MAGA is not a perfect political set of ideals. Maga is basically, in some sense, what you just wrote your last book about, which is about why America is so great. And that allows for a bunch of different people. And it allows for a bunch of different thoughts. And I actually believe it allows for some different lifestyles and all sorts of those things and with some common sense wrapped around it. And that's why a guy like Bobby Kennedy, who was running as a Democrat two years ago, is part of it. That's why Tulsi came on in. That's why Rogan endorsed Trump the day before. It's why I came over. It's why Elon Musk.

came over week. None of these people are standard old, stodgy, conservative sitting, smoking a cigar, drinking whiskey, talking about war. But they are a part of what Trump created. And that's why I'm, as I said to you when I interviewed you on my show moments ago, we flipped the script on this whole thing. It's mind-blowing what you can do on the internet. I'm not as down on the midterms as most people. I think the Democrats have gone so crazy. It is so obvious what's happening in New York. York, the homeless situation in LA, the commies, the jihadis, there's so much toxicity there that I think it's just pushing normal people to say, all right, so, you know, I was, maybe I'm not the most hardcore Republican, but America's pretty good. We're in our 250th year. I'd like to extend it a

little bit. I'm going to vote Republican. So I'm a little more bullish on what will happen in the midterms than most people. Forgive me, got to go to a hard break. We'll be right back with Dave Rubin. Folks, before we go, I want to recommend to you in case you want to do something crazy and beautiful, we are doing another campaign with our friends at CSI. These folks are heroes. If you want to free a slave, literally, this is what CSI does. Every $250 sets one captive free and puts them into a life of freedom, sets them up. This is important. Help us do this. Go to ericmetaxis.com. click on the banner. Couldn't be easier. Please go to erikmetaxis.com. Click on the banner. Very important. Welcome back talking to Dave Rubin on the Eric Mataxis show. To be clear, I'm the host. He's the guest. And you are the viewer slash listener, quote unquote, okay? We'll leave it at that. So Dave, what we are talking about and why Trump is such a phenomenon is that he has changed the world. the world that we knew before,

the guardrails have been broken down, many of the rules have changed. And part of this is reaction to the madness. It's been this creeping madness over time that eventually, you know, your average American said, wait a minute, I don't know if men actually can become women

and you're telling me, I have to say that or I'm a fascist. Wow, I'm confused. We've really arrived at a time where people have been pushed too far and they just say, I'm, I'm having a hard time. Trump speaks plainly and boldly. I mean, I just think we've drifted so far that things have changed. But I do think that people have become disgusted with, you know, the Republican, you know, what we call rhinos now, because we realize they didn't really seem to care about winning or fighting for what's right. They seem to like power no different than Nancy Pelosi or Hillary Clinton.

They're just sort of in it for themselves. And enough time has passed that we see that. So we see that people like John Cornyn or whoever else, they're just there and they're not actually fighting for the people, which is the whole idea, right? The whole idea of this country is we govern ourselves and we elect people to do what we would do if we had the time or the expertise. We elect those people. We see them doing nothing.

I think Trump comes in, I mean, I remember in 2016, when he makes all these promises and then actually brings up the promises and then does what he said he was going to do, I said, I've never seen that in my life. I've never seen politicians be clear and bold about stuff and then actually do it. I thought, that's crazy. That's like a contractor doing something on time, under budget. That's never happened before. Who is this guy?

And I think Trump changed everything. I mean, I really think he changed everything. And he exposed a lot of these, you know, rhinos, as we say, for what they are, that people have become disgusted. And then many people on the left, of course, have been horrified by just the, the madness of how far they're willing to go on so many issues. And so you have people like, you know, Bill Maher and others just saying, that's ridiculous. I may not be a Republican or conservative, but I'm not for that. Right. Well, look, I like Bill and we've become friends and we've done each other's shows.

And, you know, I'm always noodling him because to your point, he gets most of the issues, right, particularly the free speech stuff. And he's over the Trump derangement stuff, even though Trump has gone after him personally many times. And I'm always sympathetic. When Trump goes after a private citizen personally, I always grant them like, all right, you're going to have a little extra Trump derangement syndrome. but Bill, I think, calls balls and strikes as close as he possibly can. And then the frustration that a lot of conservatives end up having with Bill is, but then he sort of still considers himself a Democrat or ends up voting Democrat. Now, I think you can make a tactical decision if you're Bill.

I think it's somewhat honorable to say, hey, I am an old school liberal. I am a classical liberal. I mean, I wrote the best-selling book on classical liberalism in the last 50 years in America, but it's hard for me to call myself a liberal, not because I'm not. But the word is so mucked up and it's so associated with the Democratic Party. I just don't feel like having to explain myself. Every interview that I do, I would end up wasting half the time explaining it. I know you get it and your audience gets it so we don't have to do that.

But I think there's something admirable about Bill saying, hey, I am the same liberal that I was 30 years ago. I haven't changed. My party has changed. Now, the counter to that would be Ronald Reagan said the reverse. I didn't leave the Democrat Party. The Democratic Party left me, in which case now I'll be a Republican. And that's in essence what happened to me and several of the other people like Bobby Kennedy, et cetera. We have to go to another break here.

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I found him to be sneering and nasty. He has changed somewhat and he, it takes courage for someone like him to say some of the things he said, to say, I'm not going to go down that, the DEI, you know, death spiral. I'm not going to go there. That takes courage. And when people display any kind of courage, I have to give them credit. And so I give him a lot of credit for that. You know, Eric, there's a moment where I was on his Club Random podcast. It was the first time we had ever met.

We had only spent two minutes together, barely before we started recording. So this is maybe three, four years ago now. And in it, I said to him, I said, Bill, tell me this. If you showed up at an AOC rally or you showed up at a Trump rally, where would you be booed and where would you be celebrated? And I'll text you the clip because you can see the light go off in his head. He suddenly, I think it was such a simple example of what he had been struggling with. In other words, if Bill Maher goes to a progressive rally, any progressive rally,

he will be booed relentlessly. I think you could argue he would be booed more than if Ben Shapiro showed up because Bill is supposed to be one of them where Ben Shapiro is supposed to be a scary conservative, right? But if Bill Maher, and he got it, if he showed up to a Trump rally three years ago or today, he would be loved. But yeah, there'd be a few people like, Bill, we wish he would vote the right way. But everybody would be like, you know what, he calls balls and strikes, he's good on free speech. He's calling out wokeness, blah, blah, blah. And I think that is kind of where most sane people are at right now.

It explains MAGA in some sense. The progressives have become hysterical and histrionic and authoritarian, and they're very, very loud, and they bark loudly, which is creating a feeling that they are much bigger than they actually are, although I do give them credit. They've destroyed an awful lot, and they've wrecked havoc on the culture and all that stuff. And everyone else is pushed together. So I always view I'm on the more liberal side of MAGA, and I view it that in some sense it's my life's work now to keep that as strong as possible. Because if that falls apart, I don't know what happens to the Republican Party?

It probably goes back to some of the neutered patheticness that you mentioned before. And then congratulations. We'll be a communist country by 2030. And when you say neutered patheticness, thank you for not mentioning Mike Pence by name, because that would be, that would be unseemly. And you went hard enough, you know. That would be unseemly. And I thank you for being civil on this program.

Yeah. So I think that, well, you're really saying what I was saying in the beginning is that, Trump has changed everything, and it's not so much Trump. I mean, it is Trump, but we all remember the moment in 2016, where he goes after Jeb Bush in the debate and says the thing that nobody would dare say, except Trump, that your brother took us into these wars and it was a mistake. There's like a gasp in the universe, like, wah. And yet we go, yes, thank you for saying that.

it changed everything. I mean, he has an ability. I've seen nobody in public life ever come close to this to speak the truth. You know, you'd have to go to Don Rickles or somebody. Who has the guts to say what nobody else would say? And it's hilarious and it's true. And we love this guy. But it takes a particular kind of person.

Donald Trump is that kind of a person. And we've never seen anything like it. And I don't know that we'll ever see anything again like him. Because you're right in what you just said there. But in some sense, it's even more than that. When you think of the types of ways that they have tried to destroy this guy legally or that he's, there's been several assassination attempts, the endless hit pieces, the lies about Russia, Russia, Russia, a very fine people hoax, all of the, all of the ways that they tried to destroy him.

And God knows what happened with the second election and all of the COVID stuff and everything else. When you take all of that and then you go, wait a minute, the guy is still here, he still is basically as sharp. as he's ever been. He still shows up to press conferences, starts speaking. I think I've been at Prager You events that you were at that he speaks at where he just starts talking and he'll talk for an hour and it's off the cuff. And he's still in it as much as possible. I don't know that we will ever have anyone else like him. Almost in some sense, this sounds like I'm like I'm glazing him or something, but like he seems better to me now than he's ever been. All of this has refined him in a way. And he's using a skill set that he had that, you know, for decades going through real

estate in New York. He had to refine. He told people by writing, you know, art of the deal, this is how I do it. People still go crazy when he does the exact stuff that he wrote about. He gave you the plan and you're still freaking out even though he's using the playbook that he handed to you. And again, that's why in some sense, it doesn't matter what happens to everyone. We just need these next two. We need this thing. November to go well because the second, if it does not go well, it's not just that the Democrats will try to destroy him. There will be a resurgence of the Pence guys who will say, I told you, I told you, this was all going to fall apart. And then just imagine the Republicans jumping off ship

if that happens. We'll be right back. We're talking to Dave Rubin. Don't go away. Welcome back. We're talking to Dave Rubin. Dave, we are talking about the political landscape in which we find ourselves. And it is so fascinating to think that, because we don't know what the future holds. We know that, you know, despite what Steve Bannon has said many times, Trump is not going to get a third term. And so it really is interesting how the four years that he was, and I would say when you said what happened in the 2020 election, I am absolutely convinced it was stolen. And I'm also convinced that what's different about the Democrats today is that they have embraced fraud, lying, stealing. Like, they've embraced it. Openly.

Right. To be, you know, to be, whatever. People have always, you know, done funny stuff and weird stuff. And we've always had these issues. They seem openly to have embraced it. And I think that Americans are seeing this. I mean, the fraud, they've become the pro fraud party, the pro stealing party, the pro-fieling party, the pro-fieling party, the pro-fielth party, the pro-anarchy party. It's kind of bizarre.

And you see some people of their tribe trying to say, like, listen, we need to tack back. And how about this preposterous, you know, we're going to do this autopsy on what went wrong with Kamala Harris. What went wrong is you had no ideas. Like if you have no ideas and you say, well, but maybe we could have spun that differently. No, you had no ideas. You were empty. You had a horrible candidate, a braying lunatic, a giggling, silly person, unfit for the office. Like, that's what went wrong.

But you can see them spinning because I just think that they really are out of ideas, but they can't accept that. They can't accept that. Okay, maybe our ideas failed. Well, the only addition that I would say there is that it's not exactly they're out of ideas. Yes, in some sense, the Democrat Party, the vestige or the vessel of the party seems to be out of ideas. But the ideas that the base now has or the things that they are pushing, I mean, these are time-tested horrible ideas, ideas, ideas of communism and socialism. And now I would say a dash of jihadism. So it's not that there are no ideas.

They have a sort of, they have bad ideas that don't quite fit within the mantle of the Democratic. Party the way some of us, some people would like to think it still exist. And that's what in that, in a weird way, that's what makes them so dangerous. Because if you think about it this way, you know, Joe Biden, excuse me, Joe Biden was sold to us when they cut all the deals and they everyone dropped out after Super Tuesday and they said, Pete, all right, you were the mayor of South Bend, Indiana, you're gay. You could be transportation secretary and that, da, da, da, da, do. When they, when they did all of that, they sold us on, if you remember those debates, It was Bernie and Elizabeth Warren mostly on the far left.

And there was a moment in one of the debates where Pete Buttigieg, who's not a moderate, but he was playing moderate, he turns to them and says, you guys want to burn down the system. But what they decided to do the Democrats was we got to push Biden through because we can't really tell everybody we're radical left lunatics. So let's just go with Obama's VP. It's old Joe Biden. He's been in government for 40 years. The hair plugs are hanging on.

Let's just see what we can do with this thing. And then the danger, of course, was that because he wasn't actually in charge for four years, we got crazed radical leftism on steroids. The question is, what are they going to do next time? Do they finally just rip the mask off and say, this is who we are? Bernie was actually a moderate. We're far worse than that. And, you know, Mom Dami is the future of the party.

Or do they try to fake it one more time? My guess is they try to fake it one more time. Yeah. And they will try, I have a feeling it's going to be Buttigieg. There's a lot of reasons you can make a counterargument on that. The way he is being trained to be the next Obama, the way he speaks and that they're just, they're trying to say, see, well, he's gay. So he can't be like quite a bananas Islamist, which that thing is going to end really great for everybody. But so I, so maybe it's not Buttigieg, but I do think that they're going to try to fake it one more time before they go full mask off. I don't think America's full. there yet. But I'm always fascinated though that you know that Kamala Harris has convinced herself that she kind of got cheated.

She's the most qualified. She's this, she's that. She's going to push herself forward. And I am the popcorn is ready because there's just nothing more delicious than walking her try to speak English. I know it's her first language technically, but it doesn't sound like she has a

first language. It's unbelievable. She's going to put herself forward, Gavin Newsom can't help himself. It's his whole life. These figures are going to push themselves forward, and it's going to be at least comedic. Now, on the conservative side, you're doing an event with Governor DeSantis very soon.

I saw him speak in Florida not long ago, and it was clear to me. I thought certainly he's going to put himself forward. He sees himself as the guy. And of course, you know, people talk about J.D. Vance, people talk about Rubio. But, you know, we forgot a little bit about DeSantis. We can't forget about DeSantis.

So he's going to be in there. It's going to be interesting, actually. I also think, you know, Josh Hawley might be in the water. I love him. He's great. And it's going to be interesting, basically. And I like the way Trump kind of, he plays them all sort of, you know, like for, if you want my endorsement,

you know. This is going to be the ultimate apprentice, right? I mean, when this thing, Trump, Trump, yeah, Trump is going to want a contested convention. He's not going to want, I'm handing it to JD. Thanks, everybody. I'm going home. No way. Trump is going to want a fight.

I think it'll be better for a true Republican party to figure out what it is and what MAGA will be going forward and all of those things. But you just added a couple extra names in there, Holly, a few others. It's like, all right, these are all relatively competent. in people who seemingly like the country that if any of them got elected, I have a feeling the wheels wouldn't come off the ship or the wheels wouldn't come off the bus, so we'd basically be okay. So I would be fine with any of that. And yes, DeSantis, look, DeSantis is one flaw, I would say, when he ran in the primary, was that he wasn't Trump. Nobody's Trump.

And the world, at least the base felt that Trump deserved another chance. You know, it's interesting. You know, I'm a Floridian and I'm thrilled that he's my guy. governor. I supported him in the primary, but to me, we got the best of what I could have asked for, which I always knew all along, is if Trump ended up as president again, and we just get to finish up strong with DeSantis here, who's now getting rid of property taxes, and we're number one in education and number one in tourism, and number one in virtually every metric that you can grade a country by with 2.3 million new people since COVID, we got the best of everything by having DeSantis stay and getting Trump as president. So, you know, maybe he can, uh,

be a little more off the cuff next time. And I don't know, you know, I'll talk to him about that when we do the show next week. Well, I almost wonder about term limits. Like, I get annoyed when you have a guy like DeSantis in there. They're like, well, he's got to leave now because he's been there for you. I feel the same way about Trump. I mean, the people should be able to elect whomever they choose. And the idea that a third term is somehow fatal is preposterous when you could have, you know, Joe Biden. He's been in the Senate. Most people don't know this since the last term of John Quincy Adams. That's true. it up, though. Look it up. Don't take my word for it. Look it up. No, but it's kind of an interesting thing because why you would want DeSantis to do another term in Florida? Why wouldn't you?

Well, look, if he was running, he'd win in a landslide. We're in good shape in Florida either way because we're either going to get Byron Donald, who Trump already endorsed, who's up by like 60 points, or we get Lieutenant Governor Jay Collins, who's also fantastic. And he would be, he would be as close to you could get as a sort of a replicant of DeSantis. But Byron would be great to, that's why I'm not even saying much about the gubernatorial race, because it's like, if we get either one of these two guys, we're good, I will keep doing everything I can to help the state in Florida will be just fine. America, that's a different story. Well, again, there's the midterms to think about. And I don't know, you know, I am hopeful

because I don't really believe that, you know, I have a providential view of history. I think God saved Donald Trump's life in Butler and that God's hand is on this nation. And we're going through very tough stuff and it's a battle, you know, just as it was a war during the revolution. But, you know, sometimes you have to fight and sometimes they're casualties and it's difficult. So, but I do believe that we didn't, we didn't get Trump's second term to go into that, you know, quietly into that good night the way we would have with a Kamala Harris presidency. So I am hopeful. But how it plays out, we really don't know.

No, none of us know, and I guess that's the fun and the trapdoor of doing a job like we do because we predict some things that obviously, you know, it's like you're going to miss predictions all the time in this biz. It is what it is. I think the best that you can do is tell people what you believe they can agree or disagree. And then you can have conversations like this where you try to get people on board most of the right ideas so that they can make informed decisions for themselves. But as I said earlier, everyone right now, backdrop of 250, let's extend. end this Trump thing two more years. Let's really have infinite because otherwise the presidency is over. People don't really want to talk about that or think about it. It will be over. The Democrats will impeach and the Republicans will jump ship. Even guys that you think are the most Trump loyal people will realize, oh, it's over. I don't want to go to jail or be threatened by the Democrats who are threatening to jail everybody and, you know, look into everybody. And it will all end like that. And then all of us that are part of this wide 10 maga thing will be going, boy, really screwed that one up. So that's what I'm trying to avoid here.

Well, it's funny because when we were talking earlier, I think that that's why Americans need to be informed. Because I think, frankly, you know, the Democrats' greatest strength is their ability to lie to ignorant people. That if you're ignorant, they tell you something, what Mamdami said about what he's going to do in New York. If you had a brain, you would know that's never going to happen and you couldn't vote for him. But if you don't have a brain or if you check your brain at the door, you'll, you know, you'll take a chance. We'll be right back talking to Dave Rubin. Hi, everyone. If you were injured in an accident, listen up.

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So Dave, I was saying really, I mean, and this is something that we don't talk about enough in public life. And it was reiterated to me when I was doing my research on John Adams for my book, when the Puritans came over here in the 1630s and basically in the 17th century, one of their highest values was education. In other words, they believed in this old-fashioned reformation idea that we need to read the Bible for ourselves. We need to understand things. This is important.

We're not some cast of slaves to be governed by elites or some aristocracy. We need to understand these. things. And, you know, that carries through. It's what led to our revolution that we have to understand these things. We have to take a role. We have to be involved. And I think that the only way the Democrats have been able to get as far as they have is by smiling and lying. And I think really Obama was great at that. Do we know what in the world he believed? I mean, when he was running, he was kind of like, you know, you mentioned whether it's Buttigieg or Biden. They just kind of of they kind of say nothing, but they're banking on the fact that most people wouldn't know

if they said something. Most people don't know to say, you're saying nothing. You don't seem to understand what needs to be done. I think that it's kind of like running out the clock, right? You're saying like, well, just going to run out the clock and we'll win. That's what I think the Democrats have often done successfully. They did it with Obama. And I think it's probably what they're going to do now and in 2028. Because as we said a few minutes, ago, did they actually have ideas? I don't think so. Well, the hope, I guess, is that, you know, as they keep marching forward with this nonsense, you know, to whatever extent the internet is still free, that people will wake up from their stupor and realize how out of control they are. You know,

I can tell you that a lot of, it's not enough, but a lot of Jews are waking up suddenly to the Democrat Party. Jews have been a huge part of the Democrat Party forever. And they're on the complete outs right now. They're not only on the outs because of Israel, but the Jews are out because Jews generally are successful, and Democrats now hate successful people. Jews are, by the way, the only group of people that vote against their own economic interests constantly. If Jews only cared about money, they would have been voting Republican all of these years. So they voted against their own economic interests. And if you look back at the, you know, all the white guys marching with Martin Luther King during the civil rights era, virtually all of them are Jewish. But the

But the reason I bring that up is that as they get more hysterical, they're going to start just pushing away everyone that's productive, everyone that is interesting and thoughtful, and they'll just get hysterical automatons who are clone soldiers. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Let's be clear. It's not my thing, but yeah, you know, like that's what they will have. They will have, ironically, they will have a group of,

of slaves. It's why they're so in bed with the teachers union. What would be the best way to get another generation of zombified automaton or whatever you want to call them? Well, it would be through public education, which again is why in places like Florida, what's exploding right now, even though we actually have quite good public education here and we've removed wokeness and all the D-I stuff. Well, we're getting huge amounts of charter schools right now. We're getting private schools. We're getting pod schools. We're getting home schooling and all of those things. So it's not that when Bernie's like free education for everybody, free Medicare, all these nonsensical things, but it's not because Bernie wants everyone to be educated. He wants everyone to be

indoctrinated, obviously. Thank you. Yeah. Well, that's, yeah, that's kind of where we are. I just can't believe that we are this far, you know, but I've said in the last few years that things had to get this bad to wake up some people. And the question is, have enough people woken up because of the madness to say, you know what, we didn't see this. We've got to do something. We've got to think differently. I mean, it is a little depressing to see maybe only John Fetterman, who was like a cromagnan grunting man a year, two years ago. Suddenly, he's the voice of reason in the party. It's a little bizarre that there aren't some Democrats, even just self-servingly, calculatingly saying, I think if I can attack in this direction, it would go well for me.

They don't seem to have the courage even to do that. Eric, I'll do this real quick, but did you see this, there's this ridiculous race for congressmen in New York where they've got this guy, Bradlander, who's like a complete pandering leftist, you know, Mamdami type. And then you've got this other just ineffectual ding-dong Goldman, Dan Goldman. And they had a debate the other night. And they're debating who came out against ICE first. That was what it was about.

Who did it first? I did it. No, I did it. I did it. It's like, guys. I've been anti-ice my whole life. I never used it in it, even in a Coke. No, you were like, never, never on principle.

You drink your whiskey. I'm very sorry to say, Dave Rubin, we're at a time. It's always a joy to speak with you. Thanks for coming on. And people can find you at Dave Rubin.com. Hey there, folks. We break into a regular programming. We kind of have a news flash here in

case he didn't know, I'm excited to get for a few minutes at least Todd Chapman on the program. He's a spokesperson for CSI Christian Solidarity International. Some of you know that we are right now doing a campaign to free slaves literally. This is a big deal. I see it as a great opportunity for people who believe in truth and justice to be able to act on those values. and Todd, we're just always grateful when you can come on and give us a little more explanation of what it is we're talking about. Yeah, Eric, grateful to be back. And I've got to tell you, this is, it's always a highlight of my schedule of my year when I get to come before you and your audience.

And give an update, first of all, as to the incredible difference that the Eric Pataxus audience is making in the lives of so many individuals that, frankly, the world doesn't know about or has largely forgotten about. And I'm talking about women and children who have been enslaved for literally decades. Well, at least the women. The kids, not so much because they're still very young. But these women, they've been enslaved in Sudan since the 1990s. And CSI, in partnership with Eric Metaxus, thanks to your generosity, has been able to free literally tens of thousands of those individuals and bring them back into a new life of freedom. So we're so excited to be here and invite you to help us free even.

more slaves this month. Please. Please. I mean, it's the problem, Todd, is it's almost unbelievable. Even to me, you know, when you say things like this, that we freed, you know, 1,300 human beings, I just think, can it, can it be? I mean, and I know it's true, but it is very hard to get my head around. So for people who aren't familiar with what it is we're talking about, talk to them. Go ahead. Yeah, this is something that most people, And I have this conversation a lot when people ask about CSI and then we inevitably talk about, you know, what is, CSI does a lot of things. But the freeing of these Sudanese slaves is their primary focus. The only organization in the world that's actually focused on liberating these precious women and children.

And people are shocked. They're like, you know, I've never even heard about this. So what happened was back in the late 1980s, Muslim marauders were basically allowed to do a bit of a kind of like a religious cleansing against Christians living in what is now South Sudan. And when I say they were allowed to do a cleansing, they were armed by the government, allowed to go in and ruthlessly murder men and, you know, take enslave the women and children in these Christian villages. And they took them up into the north, what's now North Sudan, and they've been held enslaved ever since then. And it became evident as CSI was working with the governments there to, you know, to get these slaves freed, that the governments had no

inclination to do that. So CSI just said, well, we'll see what we can do and brought it to their supporters and we've been bringing it to Eric Metaxus listeners now for a number of years. And what's all said and done, over 100,000 of the Sudanese slaves, now grown women, many of them, most of them were taken captive when they were children, and now they're grown women, but they've lived their entire life in slavery. We're setting them free, bringing them back into South Sudan, reuniting them, reintegrating them into their home village whenever we can, and setting them up in a brand new life of freedom. And it's just a really beautiful opportunity for you, if you've never heard about this before, to step in and give a gift that literally will set a human being

free. It's awesome. Well, again, it seems almost unbelievable, but I want to encourage my audience. Folks, this is true. We've been doing this for a number of years. Without you, and your support, we don't do this, we can't do this. So it is up to you. The easiest way to do it is go to my website is just ericmetaxis.com. The banner will pop up. And there are all the details there. But I have someplace here. Maybe I don't even have it with me today. But there's a phone number, which we're going to get to you. But I have to say, it is almost crazy that this is happening, that in this day and age, we have this kind of thing going on on the globe. It sounds like something out of history.

Unfortunately, evil and slavery are alive and well on the globe today. But the good news is that Christian faith has entered the equation, and people of Christian faith know slavery is evil and have the ability, thanks to CSI, to do something about it right now. So it's a tremendous opportunity. The $250. Now, by the way, if you can't give that, give whatever you can because it all goes. to the same thing. But for every $250, it just does, it doesn't just free someone. And Chris, I don't know if you can get us the phone number, but it doesn't just free someone from slavery. It sets them up in a life

of freedom. That's what Todd was just talking about. So it's the whole package. Every $250 sets someone free. It is really just, I guess the way I see it, Todd, is this is, faith in action. If anybody else, what can I do? What can I do? You can do this. Everybody can participate in this. Again, the easy way to do it is go to Ericmetaxis.com. The banner comes up. All the details are there. I beg you, folks, please participate and thank you.