The Eric Metaxas Show - #135 - Matt Thayer

Episode Date: June 10, 2026

Today On The Eric Metaxas Show, Eric talks with filmmaker Matt Thayer about his new documentary Can You Hear Me Now?, which explores prophecy, modern prophets, spiritual discernment, and whether God still speaks today. They discuss prophetic words surrounding Trump and the 2020 election, why some Christians reject prophecy completely, the danger of false or careless prophets, Charlie Kirk’s comments in the film, the biblical role of prophets, and why Christians need wisdom when dealing with the supernatural. Eric also gives an update from the Revolution book tour and talks about the book’s strong sales, President Trump’s endorsement, Ron DeSantis, Mark Driscoll, and upcoming tour stops.⭐ ORDER NOW:Revolution: The Birth of the Greatest Nation in the History of the World📕: https://a.co/d/0ir3NlapTODAY'S SPONSORS:⭐ FREE SLAVES with CSI: https://csi-usa.org/metaxas/⚖️ Legal Help Center - Get Free Legal Help Today: https://www.legalhelpcenter.com/🛏️ MyPillow — Save BIG with code ERIC: https://www.mypillow.com/☀️ Honest, fast, and free Medicare plan guidance: https://askchapter.com/metaxas/💧 Sentry H2O: https://sentryh2o.com/

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BetmGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with Eye Gaming in Ontario. Hey there, folks. Welcome to Wednesday. Wednesday. It's Wednesday. And I am on the Super Centennial Revolution Book tour. And this is one of those things where you actually get to experience like, what city am I in? I don't know that I've ever really felt this way until now, because this has been crazy. I was in Houston at the Woodlands the other day. I mentioned that on Sunday. Monday, I was in a Monday. I was in a Orlando, Florida, and now I'm in Phoenix. Do you understand why I'm confused? And in a couple hours, I'm flying to Denver and driving Colorado Springs and then flying, doing an event there tomorrow.

Then the next day I'm going to be in Idaho Falls, Idaho. If you have any friends in Idaho Falls, Idaho, please tell them to come or if they can drive there. It's a free event. All this is on my website at EricMetaxis.com. After that, I go to Southern California. I will be at my friend Greg Lurie's church doing a bunch of services there. But it's crazy. And it goes on and on and on.

And next week, I'm going to be in Washington State at this FreedomCon men's event in the middle of Washington State. Holy cow. Who's going to be there? Chad Robes Show, Mark Driscoll, all the crazies, folks, all the sought-off crazies and me

at the top of that crazy list. Apparently, to speak there, we had to submit a blood sample from you to make sure you had the minimum requirements of testosterone, and you passed. Just barely, but you passed, so that was good. Yes, yes, exactly. No, it is kind of funny. I'm the only guy who's not wearing camo because I didn't pack my camo jumpsuit. But, no, it really is, this is a fun season. I am again on this book tour for the book revolution.

And I want to say, I should have led with this, it is on Amazon right now a number one bestseller of the week in nonfiction, number one best seller, which is overwhelming because it's a monster expensive book. I mean, this is not like a $10 paperback. It's like a $36, 600-page hardcover book with glossy color photos and, you know, end papers and all. It's a beautiful book. And did I mention it 600 pages?

So the fact that that's number one is amazing. Now, here's the key. It should be number one. And I guess it comes out officially tonight. They don't publish it for over a week. But I should know tonight if it's going to be number one on the New York Times list for non-fiction hardcover. And the New York Times is famous not being honest with this. So will they publish the truth?

Here are the New York Times. It's sad that we even have to wonder about this or we have to question this or be cynical about it. But the fact is it seems almost certainly from the numbers that we have that it should be the number one bestseller on the New York Times list. and I am somehow convinced that they probably won't put it in the number one spot. They'll give it to Jill Biden or something like that, which it's terrible that we even have to mention this or think about this. But I want to know, you know, I just want to know the facts. Did my book sell more?

I believe it did. And I'm not just saying that in the past. I've never had a book that's a number one New York Times bestseller unless the Bonhofer has an audio book was a number one. But I mean, for a hardcover book, nonfiction, you know, that's a very, very big deal. And of course, if it's on the New York Times list, which I believe it has to be, the question is what number. But, you know, then it gets into airports and it just kind of triggers a number of things and it gets you into the mainstream. So it really does matter. To those of you who preordered the book and who ordered the book, I just want to say thank you.

you. Amazon, I think there's a lag time, and they're very cautious. They always say, if they don't have it in stock right now, even though they'll probably have it in stock tomorrow or the next day, they say, oh, you're not going to get it until after Father's Day. I think you will get it before Father's Day, but if they can't guarantee it, they say you won't. So if you go to my website, ericomtaxas.com, you can probably order it through books a million or Barnes & Noble, whatever. I don't know. But there's other places you can get it. And we'll be keeping you up to date on this. But that's a good problem to have that it's been selling so briskly, in part, thanks to President

Trump's endorsement, that they don't seem to be able to keep it in stock. That's a good problem. But I am traveling everywhere. Getting a signed book is very difficult. You pretty much have to meet me in person to do that. I think at some point you'll be able to order sign books, but not for, I would say, in the many weeks. You know, Eric, I was going to recommend with your traveling so much

and you sort of feeling like you don't know where you are on a given day, you know, we don't give our kids, you know, our younger kid an iPhone, but they have the air tag, which is like a tracker. So you put him on dogs or backpacks. So we have slipped. He has a little flipthal, but we've slipped an air tag tracker in his backpack. So we know where he is when he's going to the field to play soccer.

I feel like I need to. slip one into your backpack, your laptop bag, and then post it to the world. And who's to say that you haven't? Well, I haven't, but I should. And I think you should check it out so you can know where you are when you get confused. You can just check it. But it is funny that I have to actually think that I was in, I was in Houston, then I was in Orlando, Florida.

At that time, I'm now in Phoenix. And later today, I will be in Colorado. I mean, that's, it's a little tough. But I want to say, by the way, so I was in Orlando. I've never met Governor Ron DeSantis until the other day. And he's a beefy guy. He's like a big guy. You know, you can't tell from photos.

You just think, oh, he's my size. He's not my size. He's like, he has, he's kind of like a triceratops. He brings the energy and the, the musculature and the armor of a triceratops. He's just this whatever. And he gave an amazing speech. And anyway, but I met him. I gave him a copy of the book.

There were a number of friends there, Ryan, Helfenbine, and Jenna Ellis, and all kinds of people. It was a heavily Baptist event. I've never felt so non-Baptist. I'm not against the Baptist. I'm just not, you know, but it was a heavily Baptist world. Then we flew here to Phoenix. Yesterday I did the Charlie Kirk Show with my friend Andrew Colvette. So I was on that with Andrew.

And after they did the Jack Posobic show. And then after that, we went over to the Fox News affiliate, which is where Kerry Lake used to be the anchor for years and did a big podcast with them, which was just delightful. And then last night, I spoke at Mark Driscoll's church. Now, I don't know, Mark Driscoll appears to be controversial. I'm not entirely familiar with that. I tend to hang around controversial figures, perhaps because it makes me feel less controversial.

I don't know. But so you have people like I would never, I would never, you know, speak at Mark at Driscoll church. I had such a wonderful time last night. What a wonderful congregation. I mean, genuinely, just spectacular time. And I know some of that I'll get, we'll put that up on video. Today, as I said, I go to Denver.

We're driving to Colorado Springs. I have an event there tomorrow, a luncheon. And I don't know, I don't think it's possible to go to that. I think it's a private event. You can look online, but it's Colorado Springs Marketplace with a purpose. It's a business leaders, pastors luncheon. And that's in Colorado Springs. Then I go to Idaho Falls, Idaho, as I mentioned, I'm doing a luncheon and then a family

forum evening in Idaho Falls, Idaho. Folks, please go to that. If you know anybody in that area, that's just amazing. Then after that, of course, I go to Orange County. So it's been crazy. but the book is selling so well that I am a little bit amazed and I'm not surprised that some places are running out of copies. We're obviously going to print more.

But listen, it's a mainstream book. It's about the American Revolution. I've spoken about this enough. We need to know our story. So I'm glad that the book exists. I'm glad by the grace of God I got it done and that people are really enjoying it. I'm thrilled to read the reviews on Amazon. It's gratifying.

Now, we're going to be talking to a filmmaker in a few minutes about the prophetic, very important conversation. I want to mention that. I also want to mention people are by the audio book of my book is also a bestseller already. I just saw that today. It's the audio book, which I read is a bestseller. So anyway, lots of stuff going on. I'm on a revolutionary tour, the supercentennial tour. And before we get to our guests, I want to mention we are doing.

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Wisdom matters more than optimism. Hey there, folks. Welcome to the show. My guest today is a film maker. No, I tried to get Steven Spielberg. He's busy and he doesn't like me. So we got somebody even better. It is Matt Thayer.

Matt and his wife, Joy, have created a film called Can You Hear Me Now? It's about is God speaking today and other cool stuff. Matt Thayer, welcome to the program. Hey, thanks, buddy. Appreciate it. It's always good to see you. You're always looking good, too.

I don't know how you do it. It's pretty wild. Well, it's just, it's collagen treatment mainly. And I have a wig master that is second to none. Very few people can even tell that this is a horsehair wig. So I want to be clear that it might be. But listen, thanks for, for jumping in when Spielberg refused to take my calls.

But you met there, I've created a film. And actually, just so that people know what we're talking about, because I want to talk to you about the film, but I thought maybe we can play the couple of the opening minutes of the film. We've never done this on this program before, but I think it would be a fun introduction to watch a few minutes of this, and then you and I can discuss it.

So Chris Himes, producer, can we do that? The truth is, I never wanted to make documentaries. This might sound strange, considering I've made five in the last five years. Why then do I do it? Short answer? I felt like God told me to. But more on that later. When hired to create a film surrounding the confusion of the prophetic words regarding the 2020

election, I asked, why me? Because even though I believe God speaks, I've still had my issues with the prophetic over the years. especially around politics. Oh boy. And my documentaries have tackled some controversial topics. Election fraud, women who support Trump, the weaponization of government, fraudulent information around COVID,

and the rise of patriotic conferences during the Biden administration. But modern day prophets? There are entire groups of Christians who don't believe they exist. But something about it intrigued me. And sensing a deeper story I had my team invite Charlie Kirk to be interviewed for the film.

I asked him his thoughts about the prophetic. A word from a prophet should never be an excuse for inaction or apathy. It can be abused. It's very real. I think it's something that we need to always apply and submit to scripture. But I've seen it work. Not only work, I've seen it transform lives. And some people absolutely have the gift of prophecy. I just so happened to interview Charlie two weeks to the minute before he was.

Watching the event unfold that day, I couldn't help to think, why would God have me be one of the last people to interview him before he died? Is there something he's trying to say? Why do you believe what you believe? Why do I believe what I believe? Belief comes from information. But where does information come from? Everything we currently believe is based on information we once saw or read.

or heard. This information forms an inner formation we refer to as a belief system. Like an operating system in a computer, we hope this system is based on good information, but sometimes what we believe is based on bad information. This forms a lie. Where do you get your information? How do you filter out the lies and keep the good? Even those who don't believe in God. Stay with me, for a moment. If God exists, how would he inject his information into our world? More than likely, he would use humans. And what do we call these humans who claim to carry heavenly messages? Oracles, seers, prophets. But what do you believe about prophets? Some believe they no longer exist. Others insist they still do. Every culture has legends of those supposed

touched by the divine. Many fear them. Others mock them. And it doesn't help matters that those who claim to have a connection to the invisible world have led people to do crazy things. Planet Earth about to be recycled. Jones led more than 900 of his cult followers to death, suicides by drinking Kool-Aid laced with cyanide.

Jones, Manson, and now David Koresh are extreme examples of cults out of control. Another issue, profits tend to be a little odd. That are sick and diseased and afflicted. And if you will put them on their bodies, stop. We'll heal them. All right, we'll stop it there. Matt, there's so much in what we just played in that clip that I want to react to. I definitely believe in prophecy in the prophetic.

And it makes me angry when I see it abused or when it's sloppy. So I want to commend you on making a film like this that looks at it in a realistic way. In the film there, you know, you showed Catherine Coolman and Earl Roberts. These were people of God. They were not charlatans. And so this is something I find fascinating because so many people reject this stuff utterly. And there are other people that would just dive into it and they will follow a prophet, you know, to drinking Kool-Aid lace with cyanide because they have no discernment. And so you said, you know, that you felt that God called you to make this.

What is your background and what would lead you, Matt Thayer, with your wife, Joy, to make a film about this subject? Well, I've always been a Christian. I mean, I, you know, accepted the Lord when I was four years old. And, you know, grew up actually around people that believed in, you know, that God spoke, my mom and dad. and never really questioned it all that much until all of a sudden it was like, found myself in my early 20s around a lot of people of more, you know, Baptist, sensationalist persuasion and began to kind of wrestle with it a bit. But then ended up going to, you know, I did go to Bethel Church and went to their school back 2006.

And I was really attracted there because, you know, they were pursuing. pursuing this, you know, going like, hey, no, God does actually speak. He does actually interact in the affairs of men. And they're not perfect by any means, but, you know, I was really intrigued by the pursuit. I met my wife there, actually. She was born in Northern California. And then, you know, when we started making films, I would just intended to make narrative scripted movies. I was not attracted to documentaries at all. But then back in 2020, when we first made our first film called The Trump I Know, and I go into a little bit in the documentary here about that story,

that, you know, I had been really pursuing Hollywood. I had been pursuing, you know, it's funny that you mentioned Steven Spielberg. I always told people I want to be so good at what I do that Steven Spielberg or somebody like him would say like, hey, let's have a cup of coffee. I want to talk to you. And, you know, when I was presented with the opportunity to make my first, feature film, a documentary about President Trump, I was like, wow, that's a line in the sand. But in a very, and I, again, I tell the story in this documentary of how God kind of arrested me at

that moment and really challenged me of, you know, kind of my fear of man and, you know, encouraged me to do this. And so I did. And lo and behold, six years later, this is my seventh the documentary that I've made in six years. And so, we're tackling a variety of topics that a lot of people don't want to talk about. So this is just kind of par for the course. And I did also, this is the first documentary that I've narrated. Most of all of my other documentaries have been non-narrated by me. I've always been just behind the camera and allowing the story to be told by the people on the camera. But I really felt like

God had been talking to me a lot about the prophetic prophets in my quiet time, just with him over the last several years. And so this was kind of almost a sudden kind of presented an opportunity for me to present some of those questions that I had and to talk to some people that people have said are prophets and really kind of get to the bottom of, I've, I feel like trying to reorient our minds around what the office of the prophet actually is, what the origins of it are biblically, and how we can actually use it to gain, you know, some insight into where we should be going as a people, as a nation, and in the future. Well, I've always believed in this, I should say, ever since I became a Christian,

but then the question is, what are the limits of it and when do people abuse it? And this is just so sickening, but people do abuse it and lie. And that really taints it for many people, completely taints it, so that they want nothing to do with it, that everybody involved in it is a charlatan, which is not true. But I know there was some controversy with the 2020 election that there were some profits that flat out declared Trump had won or he would become be president or whatever. And one of the ones. ways that I see that now conceivably is that, yes, the election was in fact stolen and he, in fact, won, but he was not inaugurated in January 2021, but that he was, of course, inaugurated in January 2025 and that he's the president now. So that helps me maybe make sense of some of the confusion from back there. But what is your sense of that? Well, my sense is that, you know, the enemy, it's interesting because we'll get a prophetic word. Like I've been in instances you probably have too

where all of a sudden somebody just says, hey man, I feel like God's telling me something about you. And you'll, you know, they'll speak to you about it and it'll resonate with you, right? It might be something that, you know, God has already said to you or it might be something that's just deep in your heart that you're just like, wow, how would you know that? Yeah.

And so, but then what often happens is that there's a challenge to that physically. like all of a sudden reality just doesn't shape up, you know, with the way that that word was spoken over your life. Yeah. But what's interesting is that if you go to scriptures in First Timothy, Paul even says to Timothy, use the prophetic words that have been spoken over you to fight the good fight.

Well, that kind of indicates that there's going to be reality that comes against what God has spoken. So if that can happen on a personal level, why couldn't it happen on national scale? You know, why wouldn't the enemy, the principalities and powers that we fight against, wouldn't why wouldn't they be interested in collectively deceiving an entire population of a nation like America, which was founded on biblical principles, as we've talked about before? Why wouldn't they be interested in absolutely confounding all of that and swaying everyone's opinion away from it

and even constructing a deception on that level. I don't think that's inconceivable if we can actually receive a personal prophetic word and also then experience a reality that flies straight in the face of it. Well, I mean, this is why you have to define what is prophecy? Because when somebody says to me,

where I get annoyed is if somebody says to me, Eric, I'm praying for you and I see a picture of this and this or the Lord spoke this or this or this, they're reporting facts. They're giving me data. but it's when they take that next step and sort of give an interpretation of it that may or may not be right or they inject their flesh into it they they make it what they want it to be or what they think then it becomes muddy and i think that a lot of profits do that and it it really messes everything up

somehow um or i don't know what do you do when somebody uh i mean i have had people prophesy clearly this will happen or that will happen and it doesn't happen. And I don't, it's not my instinct to be very forgiving of that. In other words, I think, listen, you've done a bad thing. You said this is going to happen and it didn't happen. You need to deal with that. It's not okay. And you can't cover it up by saying, well, it was conditional. It's like, no, no, you didn't say that at the time. Or, well, it's the timing. You know, I guess I'm just looking for clarity because I think that everything needs to be dealt with as rationally as possible, including this.

And when people kind of, it's like they're throwing up smoke, you know, it's like a squid, squirting ink and getting away. Hey, hey, hey, hey, you're not dealing with this. You said this. Now, if you say, I don't know, I can accept I don't know. But that's been the problem. I know that, I mean, did you say you spoke with Hank, A Cooneman about this.

Yes, I did. Because I love Hank. And I was at an event. It was not long after the 2020 election or something like that. And some woman in the audience raised her hand and kind of challenged him and he came at her, whatever. And I really never understood what happened or whatever. So I don't know if you get into that in the film, if you can explain any of that. Well, I just think that, you know, we're all imperfect vessels, you know.

And I think that's the thing is. that and especially I think these days I think it's human nature but then also then you amplify it with I think social media and kind of this you know like like you were saying this you know this thing that rises up inside of us that that you know wants to provide interpretation along with maybe something that you know an unction that we're getting and and I think that you know I don't think that you know anybody is beyond that you know I think you know the people that we talked about Hank, you know, Johnny,

I think all of them would tell you, like absolutely, like, you know, I try to keep my interpretation or my spin off it as much as possible, but Johnny actually has a really great analogy that he gave in the film of, you know, you ask God to speak into something.

He pours pure water into it, but, you know, really what you have in your mind, the spirit of the prophet is coffee grounds. And, you know, the water. I'm sorry, Matt. Who, you mentioned John, who's Johnny? I don't know.

Johnny Enloe. Johnny Enloe is, is, is. I don't know, I don't know him. I know Hank Cooneman, and I just know Hank is a good man. There's no doubt about that. And so I'm. And Johnny is as well. And, but anyway, so one of the, one of the prophets that we talk to, Johnny Enloe,

he has a great analogy of, you know, God pours in pure water. But the spirit of the prophet has, you know, we all have coffee grounds. We all have our presumptions. We all have, you know, the just, you know, our experiences. And as best as we possibly can, we try to deliver that pure water as clearly as we can. But generally there's, you know, sometimes, you know, it filters through what we interpret. So like, you know, for example, you know, you might have a prophet who believes one thing about eschatology and a person that believes another thing about eschatology.

and they're given the same kind of word, but they're kind of filtering it through how they believe the future is going to play out. And so you have to know those kinds of things and I think, you know, and learn to have some discernment, like you said earlier. And, you know, as far as, you know, as far as judgments on people,

as far as saying like, well, this is going to happen or this is going to happen. Again, I do believe that it's more, it should be more about like, well, I feel like, you know, God is saying that this, could happen and and and and giving that as an opportunity for something you know to to to to not play out exactly but it is interesting that in uh i think it's in first samuel or second samuel um no it's first samuel uh because uh saul is jason david right and david you know brings the ephod he's in

this town and uh he says uh hey is saul coming right and the ephod says yes and he said are the men of this town going to turn me over? And it said, yes. Well, David leaves the town, and neither of those two things actually happened because he left. And so Saul never actually came to that town and then never actually turned him over to that town. So God was actually saying that something was going to happen and actually never actually happened. So there is biblical precedent for God actually having given a word and then thinking that.

is not happening. So that's the stuff that's interesting to me and not giving excuses. I'm just saying that there's these little speed bumps that are in the scriptures that kind of go, huh, that's interesting. You know, and maybe it's not as cut and dry as, you know, we, you know, in our systematic theology, thinking, want to lay down. Folks, before we go, I want to recommend to you in case you want to do something crazy and beautiful. We are doing another campaign with our friends at CSI. These folks are heroes. If you want to free a slave, literally, this is what CSI does. Every $250 sets one captive free and puts them into a life of freedom, sets them up. This is important. Help us do this. Go to Ericmetaxis.com. Click on the banner. Couldn't be easier. Please go to Ericmetaxis.com.

click on the banner. Very important. I think there have been times that I've been tempted to ask, what is the point? There are people going blah, blah, blah, blah, about prophecy, and I go, what is the point?

What is my takeaway? You know, keep your eyes on Belgium. I'm hearing this in the spirit. Who cares? Like, what does this have to do with anything? You know, and these can be good people saying this kind of stuff. But it's like, what is the point exactly?

Do you know what I'm saying? because there's so much of this out there. And I do think a lot of it is people chasing after something. It's not chasing after something, signs and wonders or whatever. And it doesn't seem to add up to much. I agree. And I think that that's kind of the seduction that happens. And kind of what you mentioned, there's been some abuses recently that have come to light

of people who have been seduced, I think, by social media, followers, notoriety, pressure of a position or fame and have then manipulated information and presented it as if they're getting it directly from the Lord when actually they're talking about Sean Bolts. Actually, well, yes. And others. There have some others that have come forward. I think there was another person. I mean, I have to say, like, I don't get that at all.

Like, it blows my mind that somebody would, like, this is just brazen lying. Right. But I'm in awe that somebody could have no fear of God, that God has given you this gift and that you would abuse it. Totally. Like it violates everything that, who I am as a person. And I can't fathom why I would never, I would never even think to do that. Like it's just beyond my capability of, I'm frightened. It's sort of like it would be like, you know, shooting at a cop.

Like, are you really? How stupid are you? What are you doing? Right. But I think it's because, like, you said, we've been kind of seduced by the signs and wonders, when actually the signs and the wonders are not the, that is not the purpose of prophecy. The purpose of prophecy, if you go back to the origins of prophecy, which we talk about in the documentary, is that the origin of a prophet

is actually the emissary from a high king to a lower king, basically as a covenant lawyer to come and say, hey, you're violating this covenant that, you know, this high king placed on you in his mercy and he didn't raise you to the ground when he defeated you. He actually created this agreement with you. And there were some stipulations. And the book of Deuteronomy actually lines up with these ancient Cusarian treaties, beat for beat. And so the biblical prophets were actually emissaries from a high king to a vassal state saying, hey, you're going the wrong way, we need to go this direction. This is the direction that the high king, this is the direction that Yahweh is wanting to go. And if you go back in this direction, he will have mercy on you.

But if you don't, well, he has to pull his hand of protection. So if that's what the origin of a prophet is, is that an emissary or a spokesperson from a high king, if you actually understood that, you would carry the weight. of that, right? And you would not be seduced by the crowds. You would not be seduced by, you know, all of these parlor tricks that I think that people can succumb to because you would be going like, no, okay, there's a, there's a weight here. And I'm actually, it's more of an ethical position primarily than it is a supernatural position, if that makes sense. Well, the other question, of course, is that sometimes you hear somebody, somebody has such, this amazing,

prophetic gift and then you hear that oh oh he cheated on his wife right or oh uh he uh he sleeps with young men and you think okay why am i interested in what this idiot has to say somebody explained to me why i care about his prophetic gift if he doesn't get that straight well absolutely and i and i think that that and i think that's a reason to question it i think that you know we we shouldn't be uh we we shouldn't be, you know, listening to people that don't also have, um, you know, a moral underpinning. I think that's part of what Paul lines out in the scriptures as far as leaders in the church. And I think that that that is absolutely a litmus test. But I think that the thing that we need to also be aware of is that this is, this is sad. Like I, I am grieved for those guys who,

or those women that get seduced that way because they succumbed to the enemy, Because we have, we don't battle against flesh and blood. We battle against principalities and powers of the air. And there are, there are ways that they get in and they, they target people that are called by God. You know, right? The gifts are not revoked, right? So God is calling somebody.

And all of a sudden, they become a target. And if they're not careful, they can get seduced by temptations, you know, you know, that are more of like a moral, lustful temptations that we would say. Or like I said, just being tempted by the fact like, oh, man, I got to give a prophetic word today because my followers are expecting it. Well, that's much lower level. Right, but I'm just saying like there's a range there. It's the same thing.

Look, I've seen this. I've seen this that there are people that, you know, if somebody, if God speaks something to me, now this is extremely rare that that something like this. would happen to me that I would hear from God over the years. It's just extremely rare. But it has happened, maybe not on the prophetic level for others, but some kind of a mystical experience where you know that's the Lord. But if it happened enough and I start going on YouTube and start talking about it,

and then there's an audience that's looking for more, if the Lord's not giving me more, I really have no right to kind of manufacture more. That would be lying. But there are people that seem to, you know, every week I've got to have something, which is very unhealthy. Oh, 100%. But that's also biblical. See, I mean, biblical from the standpoint, I'm not like accurate, but I mean, or condoned. What I'm saying, biblical from the standpoint of there is biblical precedent for, I mean, there was like, I mean, I don't know, 90 or something named prophets in the Bible and not all of them got a book. And there were also a bunch of unnamed prophets, right? There was

just like you read through the scriptures and all of a sudden you come across like oh there was this guy that doesn't name of a prophet and um you know i mean nehemiah actually even called a prophet by name and saying you know curse that prophet who actually tried to get me to go into the house and violate you know you know uh god's uh god's laws right so so it's like so i'm not i'm not i'm not condoning anything what i'm saying is is that we shouldn't be surprised when we see that happening in this day and age because I ask the point is that we shouldn't be surprised that there are many people that reject all of this completely because they don't understand why why do I need to wade into this mess half these people are nuts or

irresponsible or give into temptation and why it doesn't seem like God to me it just seems like a bunch of religious nonsense, people chasing after something and it's such a mess. And I would argue that that's the plan of the enemy because I think that all throughout the New Testament, you know, Paul says, I wish you could all prophesy in Thessalonians. We start off the film, you know, it's like, don't despise prophecies, you know, hold on to the good and discern. and I think that classically over the years, and I would say even like 1,800 years ago, I think there was a point back in prophetic history

where there was some prophets and there was some arguments about, you know, what happened, the accuracy, all of this stuff, and the church fathers kind of squashed it at that point. And, you know, and I think we can kind of trace some origins back to, rather than wrestling with it and going like, hey, okay, this is actually in the Bible and we need to

actually talk about this, it's easier to just squash it and just go like, oh, this is crap. Now, do you go into the history in this film about, you know, what happened in the early church? Or you don't get into it. No, no, unfortunately. I wanted to, but we just couldn't make it work. But when, so

when does the film come out officially? The film comes out officially on Salem now on September 10th. Okay, so not for why. But can people watch parts of it or trailers or anything right now? Well, yeah. Okay, so you can go to can you hear me now film.com. There's a teaser trailer up right now.

We're also working on some other marketing assets and other trailer and things like that. But what I wanted to actually present to your audience is that if you go to gives and go and you type in, can you hear me now, what we're trying to do right now is we're doing a crowd fund for additional marketing. dollars to help amplify this even further than what we already have planned. We have a planned

that's getting released. We have a marketing plan, all that sort of stuff. And we are actually going to be releasing it on Amazon and Apple also in October. So the Salem now is just a limited kind of month release. Yeah. But as anybody knows, and then you know, it's like you've written books, you know, it's like unless you have marketing. You can. Well, listen, and I want to be on the record. go anywhere. And say to my audience, this is important stuff, folks. And to dismiss this completely, as many do, is not right. There is something here, and we need to take the trouble to get it right.

And so the film is, can you hear me now? And the website is, can you hear me now, film.com. Can you hear me now, film.com? No, but I do think that I know enough about this to know that it's real, that they're people with a prophetic voice. I mean, one of the folks that I have listened to is Mike Thompson. He's now in Las Vegas area, but he's, I guess he's just about 70 or 71 now. He is just such a pure voice and such a seasoned man of God. I've had him on this program a number of times, but Mike Thompson, and he, there's a joy in listening to him because he's just not blowing any smoke. He's telling

you exactly what he hears and he's very humble. He's not chasing after anything. Mike Thompson is somebody that I've gotten to know a little bit because I thought this guy is clearly for real. This is real what he's saying. He says, the Lord, I'm going up in a vision, showed me this. I don't have to wonder, is that true? It's just super clear. And that's very important. And through him and others like Dutch sheets, I know this stuff is real, but we need to have wisdom about it.

We need to have maturity about it. And so that's why I'm glad you made this film. So it's can you hear me now? Film.com is the website. Can you hear me now film.com? I know there are a lot of folks listening to this program. They're skeptical about this or even hostile. There are other people listening to this program that are into this.

And there are probably people listening to this program. We were into it too much. And so I think it's important we have a wise conversation about it. Just a minute left. Any final thoughts, Matt Thayer? Yeah, no. I just, you know, if anybody wants to be a part of us amplifying the message, just go to, Can You Hear Me Now Film.com? Down in the corner, there's a little, a little button that you can click

that'll take you to the crowdfund page. And we're just really, you know, anybody that's interested, if you feel, if you feel like this is important, if you feel like this is something that, you know, needs to get out to the wider audience and we need to have this conversation, then, you know, be a part of helping us get there. You know, we can get this out to so many more people with that crowdfund. And, you know, I'm just really grateful for people like you that are willing to have these conversations. Because, like you said, there's so many people that just pass it off out of hand. It's like, oh, you know, the earth is flat. Ha, ha, ha, ha, whatever.

You know what I mean? Like, you know, it's like, we're just discarding this. And it's important. I mean, look, there's new age out there. There's deception. People are interested in the supernatural. So let's get it right. Let's try to understand.

When is it God? When is it not God? How does God operate? Let's at least try. So can you hear me now? Film.com. Matt Thayer, thank you so much.

Look forward to speaking with you again when the film comes out. God bless you. Awesome. Thanks, Eric. Appreciate you. Hey there, folks. Welcome back. We interrupt our usual programming to talk to you about an opportunity that I find,

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