The Eric Metaxas Show - #161 - David Clements

Episode Date: July 17, 2026

Today On The Eric Metaxas Show, Eric responds to President Trump’s major address concerning alleged Chinese election interference, compromised voter information, intelligence-agency suppression, and newly declassified documents. David Clements, Rod Martin, and Ned Ryun examine what the speech could mean for future investigations, election security, the media, the 2026 midterms, and the fight for political accountability. Eric also gives his final warning about Christopher Nolan’s The Odyssey.⭐ ORDER NOW:Revolution: The Birth of the Greatest Nation in the History of the World📕: https://a.co/d/0ir3NlapTODAY'S SPONSORS:☀️ Honest, fast, and free Medicare plan guidance: https://askchapter.com/metaxas/⏱️ TIMESTAMPS0:00 Trump’s Election Bombshells1:17 The Media Downplays The Address3:39 Why The Allegations Matter6:03 Air Quality Backlash And The Odyssey11:12 David Clements Joins14:26 What Happens Next?23:57 Rod Martin Responds31:15 Ned Ryun And The Thread Of Liberty34:48 China, The Deep State, And 202042:07 Securing The Next Elections

Hey there, folks. Welcome to the program. It's Friday. Chris Himes, you know and I know that I'm in Connecticut. I'm up here with my mom. My mom, she's in the hospital. It's not serious, but it's stressful for a 92-year-old with traumatic memory issues. She doesn't know why she's there, whatever. So if you pray for me, folks, you can pray for that situation. But last night, I got together with my friend Keith Junta. I wanted to get him on the program today. And an old friend, Tim Washer, We got a burger after a hospital hours were over, and I then forced them to come back to my childhood home, where I am now, to watch the Trump speech. And so we watched the Trump speech. And then afterward, more dramatically, we watched the coverage of the Trump speech. And it was amazing. It was amazing because a number of bombshells were thrown out by the president, gigantic bombshells that there is a deep state that the CIA and the FBI knew that China was working hard

to sway the election away from President Trump and that CIA FBI suppressed this information in the briefing to the president. This is huge information. That's just one thing that he mentioned, but huge information. So you flip around to see, okay, what are people going to say about all this stuff? CBS, Barry Weiss's CBS, which I would normally trust because I like Barry Weiss, they downplayed this like crazy to the point that I couldn't even believe in. Fox News basically didn't cover it. Only Newsmax seemed to care about this. Now, there's other stuff out there that you're not going to get on the TV dial,

like Katie Pavlich had Catherine Harajon, who has been on fire over all this stuff for years. She was talking about it, but most people don't get that on their TV dial. So you're trying to figure out where do I look to get substance on this? Because the mainstream media, obviously CNN, they are just bending over backwards

to say there's nothing here, keep moving, there's nothing to see. And you think, okay, so then why did President Trump call for a primetime conference to say these things? You're telling me that he's just obsessed. Here's what they say. Here's what they say. They say he just wants to relitigate 2020 and he wants to cast doubt on 2026 election. In other words, without actually looking into this, they simply say that this is nefarious.

and that his even his bringing this up is just an effort to blah, blah, blah, blah. The cynicism there, folks, I mean, I keep talking about this when I talk about my revolution book. The cynicism and the corruption in the British elites at the time of our revolution. The cynicism and the corruption among our anti-American Trump hating, we the people hating, elites is just so ugly and it needs to be addressed. So God bless Katie Pavlitz for having on Catherine Harridge. God bless Catherine Harwich. God bless Greg Kelly for trying to dig into this yesterday on Newsmax. This is at least very important. It's at least very important. What actually comes out of it is another story. So in a couple of minutes, we're going to have David Clements

on the program. He's been on this for years talking about this. We're going to get Robert. Martin to weigh in on this. And I believe we got Mike Lindell, who obviously has been talking about this for a long time. But this is very, very important stuff. Yeah, Eric, it's like I'm not a political cartoonist, but if I were, it would be Uncle Sam at his laptop and getting the email that says, alert, your security may have been breached. And it's like 220 million emails. It's, you know, just from a data security perspective and the fact that China is literally known for, you know, counterfeiting everything from paper shredders to, you know, you name it, it doesn't take much to connect the dots here.

And basically all I could see, this was on CBS, right, because I'm trying to turn to a quote quote mainstream to see what are they saying, right? and I don't expect them to be pro-Trump, but I expect them to be fair. All they could do is downplay everything. It's kind of like they thought, let's find the weakest thing, which is the China, you know, getting our voter rolls.

That's probably the weakest of everything he said. And then they kind of debunk that, debunk that, debunk that. What about the other stuff that he said? About CIA and FBI complicit with bad actors that they're revealing themselves, referring themselves in an email as, you know, we're a shadow government.

What about that? CBS. Barry Weiss. I'm just, I was shocked. I don't understand. I'm, I'm baffled because I love Barry and I think she's doing great work. But it's, it's very strange. I guess before we go to David Clements and Rod Martin and Mike Lindell, I just have to say, we're going to stay on this. We're going to be talking about this next week. John Zmirak is back from his safari in Africa, not making that up. He's back. We will have him on next week. I'm imagining he had like a bingo card of all the game that he was going to hunt. You know what? I don't know. He was not bored by a water buffalo. That's the headline for me.

I can't even believe it. Well, I want to say two things before we get to our guests also. Yesterday I was pretty hopped up about the air quality index bad sign that I saw that says, stay indoors or whatever. When I said that, I didn't even know about the Canadian wildfires. Chris, you assumed that I knew about that and I was still,

this, whatever, I thought at least that gives them some reason for being so strong. It still offends me that they're like telling us. They're not saying suggested or, you know, they,

the way they say, but so I kind of ran to the right wing watch grabs this, puts it on a video, and they're just like attacking me for being outraged about the. The whole thing is so hilarious because to me, the paternalism of the elites of like telling us stay indoors, well, what if, you know, it's kind of like saying no smoking, you know,

like we smoking's bad, but I have the right to smoke. So imagine if you're driving anything and it says no smoking or smoking, you know, smoking not permitted in your car or it's just kind of, anyway, I know that I am oversensitive to this, but I think that most people are not sensitive enough. So I, yeah, I have a relative, I won't say who it is, who texted me

saying, be careful, the ears bad out, you know, outside, and this specific relative has been known to smoke cigarettes and vape addictively. So, I want to be like, you know. Well, but I say it's kind of like the COVID thing. It's kind of like they're telling us we're masked to do that.

It's like, how about you shut up? We no longer trust you. So even if you, you get it right. You're the boy who cried wolf. The government of New York is going to put signs over the highway to tell me what, I don't think so. But I'm just hilarious to me that like right wing watch is tagging me like Eric, he's it. Anyway, we're living in crazy times. I want to say this real quick. The Odyssey officially comes out tonight. I saw a preview of it. It's a mess. It is a huge, huge disappointment for many reasons.

I mentioned a little bit of it yesterday, but it's bad storytelling. In other words, even if you get past, you know, we got the African American Homeric hero in the opening shot. All right. Thank you, Hollywood. Then we have Ellen Page, you know, the Homeric warrior with a vagina and a womb in the next shot, pretending, you know, gaslighting us. Oh, no, no, no. It's a warrior. It's a Homeric warrior.

Even if you get past that, the whole thing from somebody who knows the Odyssey pretty well, it was very disappointing. A lot of stuff was missed. I will cover this more probably next week. But a lot of stuff was just, it was terrible on so many levels. I mean, I could go down a list. I should write a review, actually. But there was so much, it's definitely a gigantic missed opportunity.

I would not see it. I'm just telling my audience, this is not, if it was just a standard, great telling of The Odyssey with a couple of politically correct things, I would say go see it anyway. But it was, I mean, huge talent, huge budget, very bad storytelling on so many levels. I mean, just amazing to me how many failures in it.

I could just go on and on and on and on about the failure to tell a story. It's one of the greatest stories ever in the history of literature, and it's so poorly, so poorly done. And we'll leave it at that. When we come back, I think I've got David Clements, and then we got Rod Martin. We got great stuff. Stick around. Hey there, folks. I've been saying that 2026 must be the year of accountability, whether talking about government spending or the way we steward our own families, we have a moral duty to seek the truth. But let's be honest, in the world of Medicare, truth is often the first casualty. Seniors, like my 91-year-old mom, are bombarded with mailers and

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That's Chapter at 571-421-1253. Talk to a real person and get the honest answers you deserve. Okay, folks, here he is, as promised, David Clements. He is an attorney, and as for as I'm concerned, an election integrity expert to help us understand what happened with the president's speech last night, what was said. David, welcome back. It's good to be with you, Eric. Okay, so what is your gut? What's your takeaway from last night? Well, there's a mixture. A lot of us that have been in this fight are frustrated because we're still waiting for accountability. But I think the lead from last night was, while China was mentioned many times that it was the CIA that was ground zero for the allowance of massive fraud, number one. And number two, we need to start looking at the legacy media as co-conspirators. We're talking about sedition and treason.

So those are the major things. Most of the stuff that was substantive, most experts have been sitting on this information for six years. It wasn't really a big surprise, but it was nice to see the the commander chief on TV, saying out loud what many of us already know. This episode is brought to you by FIFA World Cup, launch edition on Netflix. It's a fast, fluid game where your phone is the controller and your TV is the stadium. You just launch it on your TV, scan the QR code with your phone, and boom, you're shooting and passing in seconds.

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I'm astonished that even Barry Weiss's CBS News, you know, I give Barry a lot of credit for what she's done. But the way that they downplayed what we heard and made it sound like, no, nothing here, nothing here, nothing here. I thought, who is paying you? Who has drugged you? You have the president of the United States. I don't care if you hate him. He's the president of the United States coming on a prime time to give a primetime address to the nation. And he is saying, effectively, there is a deep state.

People in the FBI and CIA downplayed gigantic news and did not present it to the White House. That's just almost unbelievable. Then there's the memo. I guess it's Flores. She says something about. you know, we're running a shadow government. I thought, this is the smoking gun and nobody mentioned it. Yeah, until there's an arrest of significance, I think people have the right to be exasperated.

We've got the grand conspiracy case that's in Florida that the DOJ is handling. We've got one major conviction, which would be John Bolton, who pled guilty under the Espionage Act, that could lead to, you know, more charge. But from my standpoint, as a guy who's done RICO cases, who's done racketeering as a prosecutor, even something like that, which is well suited for the mafia, isn't a tool that you're going to be able to get former presidents and CIA directors on. And with two and a half years, the due process considerations are heightened for individual defendants. So unless there is, you know, some type of rope adobe where we start looking at military court, I don't see how the Trump administration can, you know, put a button in this before the end of his second term. Why would President Trump, do you think, go on the air last night with this information?

In other words, what's the timing on this? Could he not have done this six months ago or a year ago? You know, in other words, I can't help but think that there is a plan here, that there's a reason that he went on the air last night. Yeah, no, I think he's setting the foundation. I think part of this is just gauging the reaction of legacy media. Let them double down. Don't forget there was an executive order that he issued a few months ago, that he effectively commandeered the U.S. Postal Service to see if folks will purge their voter roll list to ensure

that they're using accurate roles. And even from what he mentioned last night, you looked at, what, 270,000 illegal, billions that were on the rolls of four states. So it's easy to extrapolate. Wait, that was four states? Just four states. Okay, see, this is what I mean. Like, it's pathetic that people have to come to this relatively minor podcast to hear that.

CBS News does not mention that. I don't think Fox even talked about any of this stuff. They kind of, they said a few things. Sean Hannity said a couple things. And then they moved on to other stuff. Kind of bizarre because, yes, this is a. a big thing. You have four states that report 270,000. That's four out of 50 states. And then the biggest states that are going to be guilty, New York, California, for example, refused to turn

over the voter rolls. So you can imagine that that number is way more than double. I mean, that's big news, but they act like, nah, we already knew that. It's very cynical. The mainstream media's cynicism to me is part of the big problem we have in the nation. I agree. I mean, look, it's lawbreaking. And they were, you know, the executive order listed federal laws, whether it's mail fraud. If you use the USPS and you do so without curating voter rolls that we have provided, that we have deemed are clean, you're committing a crime. So the question is, is there going to be a mechanism of enforcement that we all see and we're satisfied with, but you asked the question, what would be the purpose? You know, putting something

on notice like this, of course, is important because you need to prove that people are knowingly engaged in a legal conduct. At this point, when the president's telling you, we've got your number, you strengthen the mens rea component of a prosecution. I think that's part of it. And number two, most of the rig machine monies are basically taken from this thing called the Help America Vote Act. And if you've got proof of noncompliance, he can direct Scott Bassett over the Treasury, stop disbursements. We're in a new fiscal year. If we've carried the day that we've got a massive subversion going on in our election critical infrastructure, we're not going to pay for it. We're not going to pay for people to facilitate fraud.

And so there might be something that's going on there as well. What do you think happens next? Well, one of the things that I find curious is that the RNC is called for a midterm convention, so a convention in an off-year, which has never been done before. I'm not interested in another pep rally or a fundraiser, but I find that interesting. Again, in the history of the Republican Party, we've never had an off-year convention. It makes tremendous sense, though, if you're intending on filling mass vacancies.

And so that might be a little bit of opium. But if Trump is going to carry the day and defeat his enemies, his political enemies, there's going to have to be accountability of a staggering level when you've got the Senate that's working against him on the most benign piece of legislation I've ever seen. I mean, the Save America Act is not controversial in the slightest. And without being cynical or flippant, can you tell me why you think John Thune is not, doing what we think he should do? Well, I think that the uniparty largely stood by when the president had to undergo a soft power coup in 2020.

It's not like Thune was standing up saying, we believe in the president. I don't think I can count on one hand out of 535 members. A single person that stood up and said, no, we agree with the American people. It's clear if you use your common sense that the election was rigged. We've never seen this level of censorship. We've never seen such interactions with the intelligence agencies being weaponized against the American people. And so I think the question is, I think Thune, I think many of the major players are protecting their weapon, which is those black boxes. It's the mail-in ballots that protects incumbency.

And I think if you had clean elections going forward, many of these people wouldn't be in office. I mean, when you've got a 90% incommency retention, level when most Americans loathe Congress. All right. So I think this is your long-winded way of saying John Thune is corrupt. Well, I could have just said that if you wanted to hear that. But yeah, I really believe that corruption is paramount. The judiciary is. That's what you're saying. That's what you're saying, David. That's what you're saying. And that's what we suspect. But you're saying that. Well, Thune, yes. I mean, look, if you want to throw out any name, I'd have a hard time telling you that there isn't some level of corruption. Even Thomas Massey was participating in a bit of a siob saying, look, there's nothing to see here.

Republicans have the White House. We pretty much have the court. We have the House and the Senate. Why are people still whining? It's a uniparty tactic where Republicans are saying, look, we're here. So there's nothing to see. And I think there's an element of that to the John Thun's messaging is as long as we have ours by our names, we can't stand with President Trump and find a line. on election security. When you just referenced, you know, if there's a, if there's a, what's it called, the RNC wanted to have, what are we calling it for the midterms? Well, normally you just have an RNC convention during presidential years. We're going to support.

Convention. Okay. But you said the convention, you think that there are going to be a lot of vacancies. What do you mean by that? What do you think when you say that? Okay. So the significance here is that. It's routine to send delegates up during a presidential year.

For the first time in the history of the Republican Party, they have scheduled an RNC convention for this year. But we don't have a presidential nominee. So I'm just throwing that out there that if you do have a plan and I believe Trump does have a plan, you better have something in place that's ready to go in the event that you have someone that is found to be corrupt. So like when you've got Mark Warner, for instance, going on record and going on all the news shows last night saying, look, we knew about all this stuff. You're tacitly admitting who's Mark Warner? He's one of the U.S. senators, I think, out of Oregon, who has fashioned himself as kind of a cybersecurity guru on elections going back. And, you know, prior to 2020, he was on record talking about just how insecure all of the black box voting machines are, did an about face.

Well, now, you know, he has no choice but to hit the news circuit and talking about how crazy Trump is for, you know, stirring the pot again on things that he's known about for six years. So when we have internal emails talking about a shadow government, Mark Warner is effectively admitting that he knew about all of this, which would make him a co-conspirator. So, I mean, he can't be on the ballot is what I'm saying going forward. Well, look, this is why we need to get you back because this is not. a story that's going away. So we're going to get you back to follow up on this. How can people find you, David, because you're one of the most important voices in this and you have been for years now. How can people find you? You can find me at the professors record.com and all my social media tags are right there. The professors record.com. David Clements, thank you. And by the way,

before you go, just want to say, again, I saw The Odyssey. it is definitely worth skipping, ladies and gentlemen. And David Clements, you look like a Homeric hero. You should have been in the film. That's the kind of odyssey I would like to see. Maybe Mel Gibson will give that to us. David Clemens, thank you so much. Thank you, Eric.

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Well, it really is fantastic that he is aggressively pursuing this. We hear all these black pill guys on the internet telling us that, you know, if there aren't any arrests, then none of this matters. Well, you get to arrests by finding the proof, exposing the proof, and handing it to people who can actually conduct a proper criminal investigation. So what the president unleashed last night is really quite extraordinary. The Chinese hacked our systems in at least 18 states grabbed 220 million voter records. This is just extraordinary. There's nothing like this in history, and it tells you the whole system is incredibly vulnerable. Now, a year ago, I was doing cable news talking about the revelations that the Chinese had access to the back end of our voting machine data in multiple states, especially California, that they were actually processing the data from the voting machines in China, which is just absolutely. conscionable, and not only that, but the FBI had found at least 60,000 with hints that there were

quite a bit more than 60,000 fake ballots for California that had been printed by the Chinese. So there is a deep, deep problem here, and the president has to first expose it before that grand jury in the Southern District of Florida is able to pursue it and actually put, charge people and put them in prison. That's, that's the steps. And a lot of our people need to chill and let Trump cook. He is doing his job. We need to support him. Okay, did I just hear you right? You said that he has to declassify this. That's, that's the step right here. That's a big part of it, because you've got to actually get this to a where the grand jury can look at it. And so, you know, what Tulsi declassified a year ago, what she declassified close to leaving

her position because her poor husband is so sick, you know, all of this stuff helps build the case. It builds the case for the House Committee. It builds the case for the grand jury in the Southern District of Florida. And we're going to get to a trial, I believe, in Fort Pierce, which is actually in a jurisdiction where we can get a fair trial. If this were in D.C., there'd be no hope that, you know, Democrats walk, Republicans hang. So we've got a decent shot at a fair trial if that grand jury can establish that there was an ongoing

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You're richer than you think. Well, I guess some people, I'm among them, want to know why do you think Trump waited until last night? What is going on behind the scenes? Why couldn't this have happened six months ago? suspect is actually happening? Well, the grand jury was convened in the Southern District of Florida precisely because there's the possibility of a fair trial. If you were to do this in D.C., Democrats just all walk, and the Republicans just all hang, and there's just no possibility of an untainted jury pool. So the grand jury being in the Southern District of Florida is very encouraging,

they have already subpoenaed more than 130 witnesses last I heard. I know that number's higher now. One of those is former FBI director Jim Comey. So the normal way you would go about this is you build the case using the little fish and you work your way up to the top. And I think that's ongoing here. But the key thing that happened last night, aside from awareness, aside from the pressure to push the Save America Act on the Senate,

the big thing that happened last night is a bunch of documents that that grand jury needs got declassified so that they can consider them in actually charging people. All right. Well, that's to me a big piece of the news from last night. To me, the biggest news is how the mainstream media tried to downplay this. It's like Trump is over the target with daisy cutters ready to drop. They are losing their minds. The shucking and jiving by the mainstream media yesterday, it's astonishing.

They cannot bear to think that he must be taken seriously. They just have to downplay everything he said. They just hate him so much that if he says, one plus one equals two, they have to mock him for saying that somehow. To me, that's the biggest news of all. Well, and aside from TDS, there are two parts of that. I mean, the first is just defending their team. They have made perfectly clear they have a team. I mean, the New York Times ran a front page editorial, almost unprecedented, after he got elected in 2016, saying that we cannot afford to be objective anymore.

Donald Trump is such a threat to our democracy that we have to, you know, actually slant all our news coverage. Well, they were already doing that, but now they've just said it flat out on the. front page. The second piece, though, is that all of these guys should have already exposed this. This is what a reporter is supposed to do. Find this kind of thing and muckrake and get it out there so the public can consider it. They should have been doing this years ago. Well, that's quite right. I think David Clemens just said that a moment ago. I think we've looked at. I think we've lost rod. We're having connectivity issues, as they say. So we're probably just going to go to Mike Lindell at this point. I just decided I want to write a book on the American Revolution

because this is extremely important. Unless Americans know our story, we cannot possibly continue to keep the Republic. And folks, welcome back. I think I promised Mike Lindell. We'll have next week. But I wanted to continue talking about, well, last night's speech where the country is right now. And I'm very thrilled to have as my guest, somebody hasn't been on here for a little while. Ned Ryan, Ned, welcome back. Yeah, great to be with you, Eric. Now, by the way, folks, before Ned and I talk about the news of the day, Ned has a new film out called The Thread of Liberty. I will be talking to him about that for the full hour next week. It is a magnificent film.

If you have not yet seen it, go to threadofliberty.com. I really cannot recommend it strongly enough. I've been saying, you know, if you've read my book and you want more, thread ofliberty.com, watch it. If you haven't read my book, watch Thread of Liberty. Go to Threadofliberty.com. Watch the film. It's a great documentary. read my book, you'll understand it better because we're singing pretty much the same song

in different keys here. But it's such an important thing. And congratulations on the film for Liberty. It is just a massive, a massive effort. Before we could talk about the news of the day, what led you to make the film the threat of liberty? Well, A, I wanted to celebrate the 250th anniversary. I was determined to do something to celebrate the greatness of the American Republic. And then, you know, I view the documentary as hopefully a part of of renewal, the rebirth of instinctive patriotism, that inborn love of country. But you cannot love what you do not know.

And so you have to know where we came from, where we are founded, all the amazing things that we've been given. And once you know that, hopefully love it and say, I'm going to pass this on to the next generation. So, yeah, Threat ofliberty.com, I'd encourage people, 85 minutes. I think you'll like what you see.

And there's a great guest, great list of guests, Eric. Victor Davis Hansen, Larry Arne, Paul Ray and Bill McClay out of Hillsdale, just a great hosts of guests, and we had a great time. But 85 minutes, I encourage people. It's for free on YouTube, thread of liberty.com. Yeah, no, it is wonderful. And I say this over and over again, because I'm talking about my revolution book, wherever I go.

I say, folks, you have to know this stuff. You're on the hook. This is on the test. Don't be false. And this is not extra credit. You've got to know this. If you want to do your part in restoring the republic and getting us back to where we need to be, we've got a lot of work to do, the easiest,

part is reading books that are fun to read and watching spectacular documentaries that are fun to watch like Threat of Liberty. Please, I say this. Like, everybody says, what can I do? This is what you can do. This is what you can do. This is, it is something. You need to do it.

Threat ofliberty.com. And again, we'll be talking more about that next week. But this is actually very, it's a very important part of understanding everything. You cannot really understand current events. We're going to talk about current events right now. But what is your frame of reference if you don't understand the basics? It's kind of like you need to know basic math if you want to do physics or if you want to do engineering. You've got to do the basic math.

Like otherwise, you can't. There's no way to do architecture and engineering and what you can't. You need the basic math. And so understanding the structure of what is America, how we get it, how does it work. It's as basic as it gets. You're not learning it in grammar school. you're not learning it in public schools. You need to know it.

So thread ofliberty.com. So, Ned, we've been talking about the speech last night and Trump's really bombshell declaration. I mean, he waited, and then here it is. He's declassified all this information. What really stuns me, the headline to me, is the cynicism of the mainstream media. instead of saying that, wow, if a third of this is true, that's a very big deal,

all they seem to want to do is debunk it or sneer. The New York Times, I mean, they have become so anti-American, so anti-we-the-people, anti-Trump, and they are just so bitter that they can't even be open-minded for a moment to see whether there's anything here. I know there's something here. The question is the details. That cynicism, even CBS News, Barry Weiss is in so many ways a hero, but they had a horrible, you know, after the speech, they just had a bunch of people kind of, you know, debunking everything you just heard. I thought, are you kidding me? Like, why do you think the President of the United States and his whole team would come and do this?

Just because they're a bunch of cynical hucksters? I guess that's what a lot of the mainstream media elites think. that the, to a word they say. There are a couple things at play here, Eric. One is Trump Darrangement Syndrome is an incurable mental disease. And a lot of people have been infected with it. It is incurable. So we have to take that into account.

The other thing is, too, the corporate propagandists cannot, they don't want to admit that maybe the 2020 elections were not free and fair because they were actually part of, I think, the cover-up. So for them to admit there might be something wrong with the 2020 elections is for them to admit their own fault in what took place and their distinct lack of curiosity as to what minor happened during the 2020 elections. Listen, I think we go back and we could spend a long time talking about us. I'm just going to make the point. 2020 elections rigged, manipulated. I think there are a lot of questions about a lot of different things that took place.

I think there were a lot of people determined on the other side in corporate propaganda. and a lot of other places that Donald Trump was not going to win the 2020 elections, I think there was because of that a also distinct lack of interest in getting to the bottom of it. But, you know, the thing that struck me is he talked about China and the role of China in the 2020 elections and how they were probably involved in the manipulation of it and trying to, you know, put their thumb on the scale for Joe Biden. I guess my question back upon that revelation is, what do we plan? to do about China. And I know we've got the trade wars and we've got the tariffs. I would propose,

Eric, I think a really great starting point would be to suspend every last student visa for the 600,000-plus little chai-com spies walking around our universities. To let the people of China to let President Xi know, we're taking this very seriously. You cannot try to manipulate our elections to get the results that you want and if you do so there will be consequences and so with those revelations i guess my the real question i had the first question i had is what are the consequences going to be for china and i think the student visa is a great starting point well i don't disagree at all but i think even more i always have to just lay it out here first of all the chinese communists do not believe in god they do not these communists mock the very idea

of ethics, of right and wrong. It's about power. This is their worldview, folks. And so this worldview means if they can do something to win something for them, to win power for them, why would they not do that? Of course they're going to do that. They're going to do that. They do that. That's what they do.

So it's kind of like saying, well, the Nazis, the Nazis, if they could put. press a button to murder 10 million Jews, they would have done it. They didn't have the technology, so they had to do something else. The Chinese will do literally anything. They don't by any means believe in right and wrong. So for them not to try to manipulate our election to their advantage, we would be crazy to think that they wouldn't do that. I mean, a lot of good governments would do that, but China, of course, they're going to do everything they can. So the real question to me is, our intelligence agencies who seem to see this and look the other way. That's, to me, that's the issue.

That's the treason. You can't accuse, you know, she of treason. You can accuse our people of treason. So that to me is the issue, is that did we see this and what is happening? Right. And then this bureaucracy, again, the administrative state, that has decided that Donald Trump is an existential threat to their status quo. And so a lot of the resistance taking place, which, by the way, most of the administrative state is inside the Article 2 branch, of which the head is the duly elected president of United States.

And you have this resistance taking place inside the bureaucracy because for the last hundred years, the bureaucrats, for the most part, were like, we're the ones that decide. That's the whole point of the administrative state, this educated elite that will make all the decisions. And then Donald Trump showed up and said, hey, I'm the duly elected president of the United States. I'm the one who decides. And so I think there's just a continuation of the resistance, and you can call it treason, because again, they're covering this up, of the bureaucracy to the will of the people, which is manifested in the election of Donald Trump. And so that's not only one of the issues that I think we've got to get to China, the resistant bureaucracy. For a minute there, I thought when you were talking about the Chinese communist, you were talking about the American left and their lust for power and that's all they try to do. Well, it's the same world view, though.

In fact, in fact, it's the same worldview. I'm not saying funny. It is the same worldview. They think ethics and right and wrong is for suckers. They know the real world is about power and they're going to need to do what they need to do. And if that means looking the other way while somebody tries to murder President Trump, they look the other way. I didn't pull the trigger. Hey, you know.

And justify the means. I think that's their worldview. We have to be honest about that. If you're dealing with Nazis, you're a fool not to understand what you're dealing with. If you're dealing with Islamal fascists, the Iranian Mullahs, you have to understand who you're dealing with. This is their worldview. Which highlights the importance of the next few elections, Eric. Like, there are, I would argue the next three elections are massively important to the direction of this country.

Are we going to restore the public? Are we going to slouch down that path of statism? And, you know, this is one of the reasons. And again, the corporate propagandists, the left, everybody else on that side are going to go after Trump for even proposing the idea that perhaps our elections need to be cleaned up. Perhaps we should have clean voter rolls. Perhaps we shouldn't have electronic voting machines, which by the way, a lot of Europe doesn't have them because they are highly suspect. Like maybe we should have a question, you know, conversation about how we make our elections free, safe, secure so that both

sides actually believe in the results. So, but it highlights again to me the importance of 26, keeping the House. I think we're going to keep the Senate. You know, and then the White House. You and I have talked about this, but the 2030 census, we have to win the White House to be in charge of the 2030 census. And I want to give people this vision. If we can actually change the battleground map by doing the right things on voter registration, absentee ballot generation in Arizona, Nevada, and North Carolina, take them off the battleground map. We make the path back to power for the left that much harder. We win the White House, 2030 census. Hey, y'all. It's Kelly Clarkson with Wayfair. Ever order furniture online and wonder what if,

like, what if it doesn't hold up? That sofa was four days old. You should have ordered from Wayfair. With Wayfair, there's no what-if. Just style you love and quality you can trust. Visit Wayfair.ca. Wayfair, every style, every home. You do mass deportations continuing on that path. Citizenship question. Differential privacy algorithm removed. The Census Bureau can't do that to manipulate data anymore. Have a legitimate census? You might see 25 to 40 house seats and electoral votes move into red states. And people ask me, how do we get back to normal in this country? When we don't share much in common with the American left. And my solution is, this, Eric, you force the un-American left into unconditional surrender politically. And if you do that in

2030, with the census done correctly, you're looking at a decade, maybe a generation of political dominance where you send the left into the political wilderness for us to get back to normal. For us to go, we're going to do the things that has made this country successful in the past, and the un-American left will maybe have a come-to-Jesus moment in the political wilderness and come back and realize, yeah, this communism stuff doesn't work in this country. let's come back and maybe be like the party of JFK. Well, I have to tell you, we're living in historic times. It's astonishing, ladies and gentlemen.

It's absolutely astonishing. And I think that what you just said, it's kind of funny because I know people on the left, if you're really convinced Trump is Hitler, there's no talking to these people. And so you simply have to beat them at the ballot box. You just have to win because there's no discussing this with them. them. They don't want to discuss it. And you just have to, you know. But the crazy part is, they think they're the moral ones. They think they have a moral imperative if Trump's Hitler and his followers are Nazis. Well, it's a moral duty to actually go after you by any means

possible. So that's what you're dealing with. And again, you're never going to come to have a rational conversation with people that believe that. And so the only solution, I think mine's a pretty simple but elegant solution you have to win politically to force them into the wilderness and we can do it and again uh folks what what are we actually talking about we're talking about if we have a fair system where your vote counts the democrats as they stand today lose dramatically that's the in other words they their game plan is cheating we have to cheat because you know people are too dumb to realize how wonderful we are. So we've got to cheat.

It's almost funny. We're out of time. Ned, just a joy to have you. The documentary is the thread of liberty, liberty, thread of liberty. Thread of liberty. Thread of liberty.com. Thank you so much. God bless you.

Thanks, Eric.