The Eric Metaxas Show - #167 - Michael Pack

Episode Date: July 27, 2026

Today On The Eric Metaxas Show, filmmaker Michael Pack discusses his new documentary Lockdown Dissidents and the government’s response to COVID. They examine Anthony Fauci’s use of fear, the suppression of scientists who opposed lockdowns, government pressure on social media companies, school and church closures, and how Americans surrendered fundamental rights. Eric also speaks with John and Chelsea Jubilee of Energized Health.Are you struggling with energy, persistent inflammation, or weight loss that never seems to stay off? Today we are joined by Chelsea and John Jubilee, the visionaries behind Energized Health. They have uncovered a breakthrough in intracellular hydration that is redefining how we approach chronic disease. It’s not just about drinking more water—it’s about transforming the cell from the inside out. With their proprietary, patent-pending protocol, thousands have moved past diet trends to achieve measurable, life-changing results in body, mind, and spirit.⭐ Go to https://www.energizedhealth.com/ and mention ERIC when you book for a free consultation!⭐ ORDER NOW:Revolution: The Birth of the Greatest Nation in the History of the World📕: https://a.co/d/0ir3NlapTODAY'S SPONSORS:⭐ Go to https://www.energizedhealth.com/ and mention ERIC when you book for a free consultation!☀️ Honest, fast, and free Medicare plan guidance: https://askchapter.com/metaxas/

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Collins saying, Jay Batatari, we got to take them down. What scientists talk like that? They're telling people. High government officials, including inside the White House itself, would go to social media companies and threaten them. Nice social media platform you got there. Shame of something happened to it. We became more totalitarian. If you don't have free speech, you cannot have science.

Well, that trailer tells you what you need to know, which is the job of a trailer. But now we get to speak to the man behind the trailer and the film itself, since the trailer is made from the film. Michael Pack, welcome and congratulations on another wonderful film, except this seems particularly important. Congratulations. Thank you, Eric. You're always too kind. No, I'm not. This is really vital. And I'll tell you something. I'll lead with this. I'm surprised that the Wall Street Journal, who have absolutely not been heroes in this, in my opinion, that they would, six years later, Dane to front something like this. I'm actually really thrilled that they would, that they've repented, I guess, of their mainstream. view and are willing to get behind the truth in this case, which is so disturbing.

That's kind of a big deal to me because they, you know, so many people look to them. Nobody looks at the New York Times or God forbid that there are people who do. But the Wall Street Journal, the fact that they're getting behind a film like this. So congratulations on the film and on working with them. Congratulations to them, to the Wall Street Journal. on jumping in here. Well, let me say, I have heard that a lot from people sort of on our side, broadly speaking, but I want to defend my partners of the Wall Street Journal in this case.

I mean, some people, probably not you, but some of your listeners may confuse the news part of the Wall Street Journal with the opinion section. And my partners are the opinion section, and they don't always agree. But the Welsh Green Journal opinion section was way ahead of the curve on this topic. They published lockdown dissidents, people critical of lockdown, like Jay Buttigariah and Scott Atlas, who, as you can see from the trailer are in my film, early on. They were the first to publish them. They published them in March. And they continued to publish them.

And they prominently featured the Great Barrington Declaration, written by Jay and two others. And they had many editorials on the subject. So it's true, I've heard this from some Maha people, and it is true that they are critical of RFK Jr. on vaccines and other things. things. But on lockdowns and on Fauci, they've been very good. I'm glad. I'm glad to be corrected on this. I mean that. I mean that because, you know, Jay Buttigaria is a huge hero. Scott Atlas, I've had him on my Socrates in the studio podcast show. Their voices need to be heard. And, you know, I know I confess to not knowing everything. And so the fact that I was ignorant of the Wall Street Journal opinion page's bravery on this. I'm very glad to be apprised

of that because I think a lot of us have been dismayed, of course, of the mainstream media and even friends and people that we thought were allies, you know, really not being helpful. So just to hear that, what you just said is very encouraging. So thank you for correcting me on that. And also this film, I mean, how did you find yourself making this film? I cannot think people, I should say this to you, Michael, my YouTube show, we had a 250,000 YouTube subscribers. This is back in 2021. It was completely knocked out, huge monetary loss, devastating to us because we dared

to have a conversation with Naomi Wolf on vaccine passports. That is how dark it was at that time. We all lived through it. So it is just a wonderful thing that finally, and I knew eventually this stuff would get out, it's still got a long way to go,

and thanks to you, it's getting out there. But, you know, this is such important information. So what was it that led you to make this film? Well, I think there's a, a general awareness that this is one of the biggest things has happened to America and the world in the last five or ten years, as you just illustrated, Eric. I mean, huge in its impact, in its economic, and it's social, in its cultural impact, enormous. But people seem to want to move on and forget about it, which is sort of understandable, was a pretty unpleasant time. But I feel pretty strongly, look, this is a documentarian's ethos, that if we don't learn,

from the past, we'll repeat those mistakes. And I think that could easily happen. It's like if the election was stolen or not, people like, well, shut up. It's over. Oh, you want to relitigate the 2020? That's like you want to relitigate whether your kids were raped and murdered. Let's move on. Come on.

Let's move on. That's just, that's called gaslighting. And we've had a lot of that. We've had a lot of that. These people are afraid of it's kind of like I murdered some people, but let's look to the future. No, no. We need to find out where the bodies are buried. We need to find out who murdered these people. We need to put them in jail. This is very serious. So again, thank you for doing the work. The film is called lockdown dissidents to repeat the title here. But so what was it that led you particularly, Michael Pack, to make this film. You've made many films. But so this is our series with the Wall Street Journal. This is our third. And we look at issues and events from the recent past that have been misreported or memory holds or distorted. We actually have another COVID related one coming out in the fall on the trucker convoy, which is another heroic story in COVID where they protested cross-border vaccine mandates, another great story. But this one, I wanted to tell the story of what happened. I mean, there's been a lot of conspiracy theories. Some of them might at well,

be right. But the bare facts of what happened are clear enough now in retrospect. So we begin in Wuhan where the virus originated and where lockdowns originated. You probably remember, but lots of people forget, you know, that it began in December, you know, because China's a totalitarian government, they were to lock down with a viciousness that is unimaginable in the West. They welded people into a room. They round them up on the street. Excuse me, except for Canada. Technically, Canada is still the West, but go ahead. Yeah, yeah, true.

All right. Others, but what happened is that W.H. I went there and declared that a success. And then countries like Canada and Australia started, and the U.S., imitated them. And this was something that had never been done in a pandemic before, where you isolate everybody. And J. Badacharya and others by March, we're finding out, we're coming up with data, first in the Santa Clara study and elsewhere. that lockdowns made no sense. I mean, maybe as a first impulse,

but by March, it was clear the virus disproportionately affected older people, young people hardly at risk. It made no sense to close schools, and that was apparent in March. The schools had closed in some places, like California, New York, for two years. But the data was there.

A lot of people who the data wasn't there, and the government continued to impose these lockdowns, and we give the inside story of that. We have Robert Redfield, then the CDC director and Scott Atlas, who was on the coronavirus task force, explaining how the government pushed this stuff out. He makes the point even in the trailer that when he first met Fauci, Fauci said to Scott Atlas, the problem is the public isn't afraid enough. They need to be more afraid, so they'll listen to what we say. And as Scott says, that is not an ethical way to conduct

public policy of any sort and it was certainly not public health policy and and I'm assuming that Fauci then said how many divisions does the Pope have that's what we're talking about here that's what we're talking about here we're talking about

big government saying ethics what do you mean ethics we don't it's not about ethics we want results and we'll do what we need to do to bully people let me ask you because I don't know if you go into this in the film, but it seems to me that, you know, it's one thing to say that lockdowns don't work. We know that. But the point is, why would they do this? And you do get the impression that there was a bigger play here, that there's something here about trying to manipulate the

public using COVID to manipulate the public. It wasn't that they were, in other words, yes, it's wrong for them to do what they did. But it's not. It seems like there was a bigger agenda that, you know, the most benign take you could have is that, oh, they overplayed their hand. They wanted to to end the virus and end the, and so they did this. But it seems to me that there was more at play. Yeah, absolutely. There are people wanting to use the tactics of China to bring those tactics to America, to bring that kind of fear and manipulation to America. I think it's clear enough.

I don't think that's a conspiracy theory. I mean, the second part of our film is about the effort to suppress J. Butterchara, Scott Atlas, and others to censor them, to get them debaute, government itself intervening to get them shadow band de-boasted, restricted on social media. We deal with the Twitter files and some of the lawsuits. But, yeah, I think the net effect was to believe, make, try to get people to solve problems is listen to what the government tells you, was James Toronto. as in the trailer, the U.S. became more totalitarian on purpose. We imitated China, the world's most totalitarian government in the world. I think that was clearly the purpose. And I think the rise of socialism today is directly attributable to it. I mean, there are many consequences of COVID. I mean, there's students' loss of education. There's increased suicide. There's the

business is shuttered. But one of the consequences is a feeling that, well, we need to trust people like Dr. Fauci that experts know not elected officials. And that's the, you know, that's the essence of progressivism going back to the early part of the 20th century, as you well know, Eric. And it is where we're heading. I mean, I think you would not have Mundami without COVID. And I think it's on purpose, as you say. I mean, this is a vision of government, contra to the founder's vision. and COVID allowed it to be, you know, accelerated at the very least, if not just pushed upon us. Hey there, folks. I've been saying that 2026 must be the year of accountability, whether talking about government spending or the way we steward our own families, we have a moral duty to seek the

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America should be dead. the fact that we're not dead gives me hope for the future. And this is kind of why, you know, I keep, whenever people ask me about my book on the American Revolution, the point is, if we don't know who we are and how we came into being, when these ideologies come for us, we kind of go, okay, kind of makes sense. We need to understand these ideologies are antithetical to liberty. They're antithetical to what, to the founding vision for which so many. suffered and died. And I think you see, you know, in 2020 and the years following, how many people

were ignorant of our history and of who we are and were open to this. And so they're open to this. They're open to Mamdani. They're open to all kinds of things to which previous generations would not have been open. Previous generations, I think, would said, go to hell. We're not going to lock down. Who do you think you are big government talking to us that way? But the globalists, the WHO, they have made an effort, which I have to say reminds me of Great Britain's effort just before the American Revolution to try to suck 13 colonies back away from the liberties that they'd had for 150 years to kind of suck them back into the state of relative servitude that they had before they came across the ocean and governed themselves.

That's really what to me was happening in the last number of years, that enough people were confused that the globalists, the socialists, the big government advocates, they made a play in a sense to end this experiment in self-government. And that to me, this is, you know, one of the key issues in that. This was this was how they were trying to do it, which I know you talk about in the film. Another thing, another aspect of that same thing that relates to the founding is Scott Atlas makes the point in the film that, you know, we as a country allow, we have, this, as you say, this is the 250th anniversary of the Declaration, announcing our unalienable rights from God, not from the government. And, you know, there was the principles announced in the Declaration. They're enumerated in the Bill of Rights, but we gave a lot of those rights up. The government asked us to give them up. We gave them up, freedom of speech, the suppression of J. Badachari and others, freedom to assemble. You know, we were not allowed to assemble unless it was to protest George Floyd.

We were not freedom of religion. Churches were asked to close, and they did. And as Scott says, you know, we think of ourselves as an independent, plucky people, but we have unalienable rights. That means the government can take them away. But the government simply asked for them, and we gave them up. There should have been protests on the street. The extent of the George Floyd protest should have been equaled by other people who were protesting lockdowns.

But there were just a few sporadic ones. We have a video of one where, you know, a minister tried to conduct a service. A song related, you know, singing focus service outside. It wasn't really even a protest and he's arrested. So, but there were not mass efforts to protest this. We went along like sheep. And we, you were quite right, Eric. our ancestors or, you know, our founding generation would not have let that happen.

I mean, look what happened when the British passed, you know, the Stamp Act, the intolerable acts. You know, they did not sit still for that. And that was really nothing compared to what happened to us in COVID. I mean, attacks on the T. I mean, big deal compared to lockdowns. I mean, so you can imagine the degree of protest that that would have entailed back in the 18th century. And this is why I keep mentioning, you know, why I wrote my book, because I could sense that Americans, we have really forgotten. We have drifted a long way.

We're a long way from shore. And we've got to get back to understanding this kind of stuff so that we are triggered when somebody tells us do this, do that. You say, well, on whose authority do you dare to tell me anything? First of all, even if you're right, I'm an adult. You're going to tell me how to behave and how to be, you know, there. But I think, you know, the way it happened, at least as I see it, Michael, is that. And this is, I think, why Trump. bought into this with the vaccine and so and so forth.

This was unprecedented. In other words, they caught us all because, oh, it's life and death. It's a pandemic. We've never had this before. Okay, we know nothing. So tell us how do we not die? They really very cleverly, you know, used something where many people, myself included, were initially caught unawares.

It took a while for me to kind of wake up to what was going on. Well, that's right. I mean, you can see why. And maybe, and Jay says this in the film, you know, maybe lockdown, you know, maybe 15 days to slow the spread, okay, 15 days. But by March, I mean, that was in whatever that was late January or I think. And by March, the data was in. I mean, once the data is in, then it's, you know, there's no more reason to do that, you know. And they were able to perpetuate the crisis way beyond and in such a way, in ways that it really had no,

scientific basis. And that's really the shocking thing about it all. And it's really on the surface. I mean, and we all remember absolutely insane things we did during COVID. Jay, everyone's got their favorite. Jay is his favorite in the film, which is that we all did this. We went into restaurants during COVID. We were told we had to wear a mask until we sat down at the table. Then we were able to take the mask off and eat, and we had to put the mask on to leave the restaurant. I did that. I did this many times. But what's the theory there that the virus knows when you're eating and chooses to respect that? It was an insane action, insane, that many of, most of us did repeatedly. And there are hundreds of examples of that. You know, there's the arresting of the paddleboarder

out in Santa Monica. I mean, it's all kinds of crazy stuff that should have been a clue that we were entering very strange and bad territory, far from sure, as you said. I believe it was God's mercy to us to show us what can happen. In other words, I think that it was like a test, basically. And a lot of people learned from it. A lot of people thought, wow, yeah, I went along with the crowd. And obviously, you know, in my book, Letter to the American Church, I, you know, Nazi Germany, we kind of think, like, oh, they were all like, you know, demonic, satanic Nazis.

And, you know, they're outlawed. No, no, no, no. they were just as we are. Many of those people got confused, got scared, and just kind of went along with the program. You only need enough people to do that for really wicked people to succeed.

And that was a lot of it. So I don't agree with Daniel Goldhagen's book, his thesis on that. Of course, there's some truth to it. But I think that ultimately, your average person is trying to get along and some people have more courage, some people have more information.

but what happened really the fact that we're on this side of it, thank the Lord, because honestly, to me, this was a play. This was a globalist, communist play to end America as we know it, a free nation where free people govern themselves. That's the whole idea behind America. And this was as effective as the other side has ever been and as close as we ever came to losing everything. And to me, the fact that we are doing the forensics now and films like this are being made again, God bless you and God bless the Wall Street Journal opinion people. God bless James Toronto. This is very, very important. So where can people see this film? What's the easiest

way for people to see this? Well, I can always go to our website, palladiumpictures.com, where you can find all of our work. Paladiumpictures.com, palladiumpictures.com, paladiumpictures.com, okay. where they can go to any of the Wall Street Journal, YouTube or websites and search for lockdown skeptics. But the landing page for three documentaries so far, where the other ones will be, is WSJ.com slash opinion docs. And they're free, I should say, Walster Journal also famous for its paywalls. This is not behind their paywall. These are free, and they're about 30 minutes long.

And I don't think that, you know, we tried to tell a story that's comprehensive, but not so long that it takes a huge. amount of people's time can easily be watched at a lunch break or, you know, over dinner. And I think it's important for people, perhaps in your viewing audience, to try to encourage people who hadn't thought about it to see it, not necessarily people have already heard these ideas, which is one of the reasons we're happy it's on the Wall Street Journal website, where maybe people in the middle of the country who don't think about these things much and don't watch a lot of conservative talk shows and podcasts, where maybe they will watch. watch it. I mean, because I think now the facts are just clear. Some of the stuff is just on the

surface. I mean, it's true. I salute the efforts of people to sort of dig up stuff that's hidden, but there's plenty that's on the surface that there is no more mystery about it. And people should really be aware of it. Well, again, it's a big deal that we've come through to the other side where the Wall Street Journal opinion folks are helping you to make a documentary. Because I really, I mean, I think it was so dark, you know, in 2020, 2021, under Biden, we've never seen anything like it. Not in our lifetimes. There's been nothing to compare to this in our lifetimes, an effort really to crush, you know,

our way of life and our freedoms. I still recoil when I think of what I saw. We all have stories from that period. But every day, you know, as I made my way to the TV studio in New York, seeing, you know, five, six, seven, eight-year-olds wearing masks outside in a school playground. It just killed me. I said, this is just so sick. It's hard to believe that I'm in America. It's hard to believe this is going on.

It's hard to believe parents are allowing this. but that's just you know that was that was the time in which in which we lived and again you know

there's a spectrum of people how people fell for this but there's still people and this is the point of your making this documentary there's still tons of people that have bought the lies that they still

you know they're still getting their boosters they're still they're completely in on whatever it was And I know it gives me great hope to think that people like Jay Batacharya have the positions that they do. I can never think of what his title is. He's the head of the NIH. The NIH, which formerly had been headed by Francis Collins.

That's correct. I shudder. I shudder. Do you think that there will be any reckoning for folks like Collins and Fauci? Well, I salute Rand Paul, who is really pursuing Fauci. I don't know if there'll be a reckoning. They've had the sad thing is they've had the opposite of a reckoning. Anthony Founci, Deborah Birx, they've published books talking about how great their service during COVID was.

They are largely recognized as heroes where I live in Chevy Chase, a pretty blue neighborhood outside Washington. I think they're generally thought of as great heroes. And people think of Donald Trump as the great villain of the piece where he just didn't let them do what they needed to do. And that's in their book where they were fighting against President Trump, the elected president of the United States. And I don't know. I mean, I think it's hard to know what will happen. I'm not so good at predicting the future other people are better at that. But I would be happy if they simply had if they were if their reputations were coherent with their actions, that if they, if the Americans saw clearly what they had done, that instead of thinking of them, heroes if people listen look we have to be clear the mainstream media quote unquote the secular elites in places like chubby chase in Manhattan um they don't believe in the existence of the god of the bible they are wrong on many many things uh they have had the upper hand in the culture for a long time

that seems to be changing by the grace of god and we have to keep pushing um i i think that uh you're never going to get everybody to agree on everything, but uh, this film is a part of the reckoning. Uh, people need to understand what happened. And listen, uh, if, if the Nazis, you know, hadn't been killed by Allied bombs or hanged at the Nuremberg trials, they would be writing books, uh, lauded by the New York Times for the good that they did, uh, in fighting Bolshevism. You know, uh, this is the, that, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, side will always do their best to get out their story. Our job is to get out our story. And you've done that in many of these films. But in this one in particular, it's just so important. And as I say,

I'm so thrilled the Wall Street Journal opinion folks are getting behind this. And people like Scott Atlas and Jay Batacharya and others, who are some of the other folks that are in the film? We have Robert Redfield, who has been head of the CDC. We have David Zweig, who's a journalist that covered it and was part of the Twitter files talking about that. And we have James Toronto, who's the one of the Wall Street Journal, who really published these people's work early on and has been a strong advocate and friend to them. So between Jay and Robert Redfield, we get an inside look at what happened inside the administration. And through David Zweig and others, we get a sense of. how the government suppressed it and how that finally came to light. But look, on top of everything

else, it's only fair to say, I think it's an amazing story. I mean, when you tell it as a chronology and a story, and we don't really advocate one view or another, we say what happened and we let these people say what they did, it's an amazing story. I mean, if we didn't live through it and have these deep emotional responses to it, if we heard about it, it's just an incredible tale, just like things that happened during the revolutionary generation, except in a negative way. It's an amazing story. It's a story we shouldn't forget, and our children and grandchildren should think about it. I mean, just on the surface, just what happened. It's almost hard, as you said, about seeing those kids. A lot of it is just hard to believe. And if we don't tell these stories, people are going to

kind of drift away from believing it. I think the craziest story, I don't know if I've ever told the story. I was skiing. I'm not a big skier. maybe once a year, we'll go for two or three days. I was skiing in the middle of this. They insisted that you wear your masks while you were skiing. I did not comply with this. I think I'm on the record as saying you can go to hell if you tell me to do something like that, or jump in a lake, whichever you prefer.

But I remember skiing to the lift. and as I'm getting on the lift, there was nobody around. It was one of those lifts, mid-mountain lifts where there's hardly anybody there and you can zip right onto the lift. The young Nazi soldier who was operating the lift stopped the lift because I did not put my mask on.

Wow. Now, that was one of those moments where I could have raised holy hell with him. And maybe I should have. But I realized that this young Nazi soldier operating the ski lift five years ago, he was just doing his job. Just like all the Nazi soldiers were just doing their job. He would get in trouble if he didn't do his job. To see this in my lifetime, I have to tell you, it was a chilling moment.

I will never, as long as I live, forget that moment where somebody who had a little bit of power to, force someone to do something absurd, used his power, didn't even think twice about it. Just didn't think twice. This is just my job. Absolutely amazing to me. And I know that lots of people have stories like this. Yeah.

And I have to say, too, Michael, that part of the play here is this is, my mother grew up in East Germany. people who have grown up under communism know that part of what happens is a deep cynicism comes in. A brokenness where you just say, I have to lie to get by. I have to go along with the lie to get by. No one tells the truth, which leads you to the next step to say there's really no such thing as truth. It is so ugly. It is so wicked.

And that's part of what it is to just go along with it. When you get on a plane, you put on your mask, when you eat your food, you take the mask off. To go along with the lie, it is a pernicious thing because it destroys even our ability to feel free, to understand there is such a thing as freedom and right and wrong. And you cannot really subjectate people unless you wear them down in that way. And that's what was going on with the lockdowns and other things. And I know a lot of people have not learned these lessons, but a lot of people did learn these lessons. I do believe this was an opportunity for many Americans to see what we in America are capable of as though it could never happen here.

Well, it happened here. So just final words. People can find this at palladium pictures.com. And as you said, Wall Street Journal at WSJ.com slash opinion docs. It's not behind a paywall. we've got a final minute Michael Michael Pack

Well I completely agree that this is a that this is a horrible thing and it's led to other horrible things I think people just have to hear the story learn lessons I think even people like us who followed it at the time

to hear it put together in a 30 minute coherent tale reminds you of some things you know, even people who've been following it, that you sort of don't remember the flow of it, what happened when, and the extent of it. And it all comes back in a useful way. And I think people, other generations should learn it too.

It is the case, as you say, Eric, that every generation has to learn to protect its freedoms. And you are quite right. Either they come from God or they come from government. And this was a clear choice at that moment. The Declaration says they come from God. endowed by our creator. And the idea of people like Fauci is that the government holds these rights and that

experts are the ones that should tell you. And that's the choice we face every generation. And our generation fairly recently during COVID failed that test. But we should not fail the next test. You are right. It's God's mercy that it didn't end worse. So we've been given a chance to not make the same mistake next time. I mean, we will unless we learn the lesson.

And I think that, and not just the small group of us that already agree, but the country has to learn its lesson. It has to be broader. There be no American Revolution, if only 5% of the country, were patriots. You know, it took a substantial minority, maybe 30%, whatever people say. I was just going to say, as we close, I was going to say that in researching my book on the Revolution, you see there were plenty of people back then who went along with the British.

Plenty of people back then who sided with the British, plenty of people back then who said, well, maybe I'm not going to side with the British, but I'm not going to fight them either. I'm going to go along with it. We prevailed at that time. And it's only because good men spoke up and fought. And eventually, many of those sitting on the fence

finally saw the truth and did side with the American Patriots. So it's important folks to understand you've got to keep fighting, just as in the revolution, they kept fighting. They knew they were never going to get. everybody to agree with them. There are plenty Tory friendly people in Pennsylvania, in New York, in other places, just as there are today. But it doesn't matter. Our job is to do our job. Michael, Pat, congratulations. Folks, go to palladiumpictures.com. Peladiumpictures.com. Michael, thank you. Thank you, Eric.

Hey there, folks. I want to introduce you, I believe that's the word, to two new friends of the show, which I think is code for sponsors of the show. But, you know, We don't have sponsors lightly. They have to be people we believe in. And the people that I'm going to talk to right now, it's a couple. I believe they're married because they're sitting very close to each other. It's John and Chelsea Jubilee. They're behind energized health.

John and Chelsea, welcome. Thank you for having us. Hey, thank you. Very excited to be here, Eric. Well, I'm excited because, you know, I'm a little bit familiar with what you do. And I'm at that age now where I care about my health. health more than I ever thought I would. So let me start with the kind of the simple question. How did you get into this field? What is it that you, what is it that drew you into this

field and into the business, energized health? Well, I'm really glad you asked this question because like most of our viewers, our listeners that are here with us, I had the similar journey that probably all of them have had. You know, 80% of us as Americans, we are, you know, 20 to 30 pounds or more overweight. That was me. I had high blood pressure and hypertension. That's millions of Americans. I was bone on bone and both of my knees. Those that have joint pain out there know every step of your life, Eric, is a step of pain. But I was in that condition after trying really hard for 10 years. And I think a lot of Americans have tried really hard. they've tried the diets they've tried the supplements maybe they tried g lp ones or peptides they tried all

those things and and that was my journey oh i had one saturday morning eric i'll never forget it when uh you know i just went out to throw the football in the backyard with with uh two of my sons and after about 15 minutes i was in so much pain i just couldn't take it anymore i walk in the house i plopped down on the couch and and i was just visualizing myself that all my work am I going to be the couch potato dad? Like, is this really me? And I'm looking down at that big belly hanging over, you know, my shorts and thinking, I just can't believe, you know, this has happened after 10 years of diets.

And, you know, every diet you can name, you know, the keto, low carb, no carb, jetticrag, weight watchers, you name it, I tried it. And I was drinking a gallon of water a day for 10 years. And nothing was working for me. And so in all that frustration, Eric, I'd spent a lot of time, though, with some really smart people, some high-level athletes and doctors because of my banking career. And with everything, I'd already tried. It had a lot of experience in the health and wellness field. And so I just went and decided I'm going to do my own research.

I came up with a protocol for myself with one focus, which was totally different than anything I'd ever tried before. and it was intracellular hydration, just putting hydration inside of a cell. And so it sounds really simple. Scientifically, it's a little complicated, but I created a protocol and it worked. And when it worked, you know, I was able to regrow all the cartilage in my knees,

which was my most important thing. Hold on a second. That is a monster claim to regrow the cartilage in your knees. That's amazing. Yeah, well, we help a lot of people do that. Yeah, we've had a lot of people. We have MRIs where somebody had no cartilage in their hip. They were scheduled for a hip replacement.

They regroup the cartilage. They canceled the surgery. Shoulders, hips, knees. Cartilage is cartilage. You know, a lot of people have heard of stem cells in these days, but we all have our stem cells inside of us already, just like we all have peptides and GOP-1s inside of us. But we've learned through the science of pushing

hydration inside of a cell, it activates your body's natural stem cells. It activates your body's natural GLP-1s and peptides that we all have in there. And after I did this for myself, Eric, for the next 11 years, I had several thousand people come to me and ask me, can you help me, can you help me, can you help me? And they'd give me a fill in the blank. Can you help me with diabetes? Could you help me with high blood pressure? Yeah. Whatever disease they name, though, Eric, I would say, I don't know, let's see. But after 11 years and seeing several thousand people reverse whatever their ailment or disease was, you know, a high-level, anointed Christian businessman sat me down one day, and he said, John, he said, I'm going to give you my whole staff of 800

people, build your business plan. I believe this is your God calling in life to go make people healthy. I left my 20-year career and we have been helping people, you know, now really since 1997, you know, 29 years and then Chelsea and I doing it the last decade together of helping people to get healthy at the cellular level. When Westchette first took flight in 1996, the vibes were a bit different. People thought denim on denim was peak fashion, inline skates were everywhere, and two out of three women rocked, the Rachel. While those things stayed in the 90s, one thing that hasn't is that fuzzy feeling you get when WestJet welcomes you on board. Here's to Westjetting since 96.

Travel back in time with us and actually travel with us at westjet.com slash 30 years. Well, I want to tell people the website and then we'll come back for another segment, but this is exciting. It's exciting to me because I care about this. Energizedhealth.com is the website. Energizedhealth.com. Be right back with John and Chelsea Jubilee. Folks, welcome back.

We're talking to a new sponsor of the program, energizedhealth.com. John and Chelsea Jubilee are the folks behind that. And John, you were just talking about cellular health. Now, on some basic level, this makes sense that our whole bodies are cells. And if you've got cellular problems, you know, that's the root. Most of us are not doctors. So we don't really understand. What do we do about that?

and you hear a lot of different things. You talk about cellular hydration. So why would ourselves have difficulty being hydrated and what can we do about that? Well, first of all, it's not drinking water because I was drinking water for 10 years. And when I measured myself, Eric, which most people don't even know, most doctors don't even know what their hydration is, let alone the hydration of their patients. And so at this point in time, you know, we have had hundreds of doctors become our client. And they say to us, you guys crack the code. And the reason they say we crack the code is because cellular hydration goes to the root cause of almost every illness, disease, or impairment to a human body, which is inflammation.

So just like if you flip on a light switch in a room, darkness cannot abide. where there's light. Inflammation cannot abide where there's cellular hydration. And so just picture a glass marble. Basically, we all are like a giant bag of cells and water. We're just cells and water.

It's pretty much the makeup of a human being. So our hydration is more important than our blood pressure, than our A1C, than our cholesterol number. Men need to be 60%. Ladies need to be 55%. So we FedEx, all of our clients, had device to measure it

so they know for their whole life. Yeah, and the other thing, too, Eric, is that one of the things that stands us out the most, I would say that any other health or wellness company is obviously we focus on the health of cells, but a lot of people miss that the way that you think and the way that you speak influence yourselves. So we really did a deep dive biblically and put so many of the concepts into science because so much of what's in the Bible can actually be proven in science. And we've taken that information and put it into the protocol as well. So this is really a mind, body, and spirit transformation that people go through, all of which, by the way, influence the help of ourselves and their ability to uptake water.

Jesus said you'll be like a tree planted by a river of living water. A tree uptakes its hydration, not from the rain falling down on it. Though it's from the root system. And that's what our cells are. The cells are the tree. They are the root system of life. And think about a river of living water flowing through your body. No matter what toxin you have, no matter what inflammation, no, a river of living water flowing through your body will flush those things out. And third John 2 says, beloved, I wish above all things, above going to church, above singing in the choir, above all things, that you be in health and prosper as your souls prosper. And 1 Corinthians 612 says, glorify God in your body.

Well, how do we do that? well, we have a healthy body. So I really believe God gives truth. Truth makes us free. And so it might not make us comfortable, but it will make us free. And so this truth of intercellular hydration, we have seen tens of thousands of people reverse any ailment, any disease you could mention with the side effect of losing their fat

and gaining their healthy lean muscle. And what do people need to do? They need to contact you via energizedhealth.com. Yeah, energizedhealth.com. They could go to book a call. We literally will spend time getting to know their history, their health, what's going on, and share with them how we were able to actually help them and give them hope. So many people are missing hope when it comes to health.

And that's a completely free consultation. And they can mention Eric as well on that call for a discount. Okay. We have no salespeople in our company. We're not going to try to sell anybody anything. We share an experience. We invite them into it. If they do decide to participate, we're fully medically approved, HSA, FSA, care credit,

and we give 100% money back guarantee because we stand behind what we promise people we can do for them. Well, I'd like to be a guinea pig and participate because I'm interested in these kinds of things, especially as you come from a biblical worldview. But the website is energizedhealth.com. And Eric, may I share something real quick? I just know people to know I'm 65 years old and not had a medical doctor visit for almost 30 years now, 29 years and running, that it really is possible. The Bible says your youth and strength will be renewed like an eagle. And God really meant it when he said that.

Moses was 120 at full strength and we really could be strong, powerful, and youthful. Our whole life, all natural, no peptides, no H-E-H, no GOP-1s, you know, in an all-natural, healthy. way, God's way of being healthy. Well, it's great to get to know you a little bit. We'll have to talk more. The website is energizedhealth.com. You can book a call, get a free consultation, mention Eric. Chelsea and John, God bless you.

Thank you so much. I just decided I want to write a book on the American Revolution because this is extremely important. Unless Americans know our story, We cannot possibly continue to keep the republic.