The Eric Metaxas Show - #169 - Naomi Wolf

Episode Date: August 3, 2026

Today On The Eric Metaxas Show, Naomi Wolf raises serious questions about New York’s mayoral election and the security of the city’s voting system. She discusses alleged voter-record discrepancies, unsecured ballots, chain-of-custody concerns, ongoing legal challenges, and an experiment that she says exposed weaknesses at the polls. Eric and Naomi also discuss why major New York media outlets have not pursued the story, the political future of the city, anti-Semitism, cultural confidence, and how citizens can defend an open society.⭐ ORDER NOW:Revolution: The Birth of the Greatest Nation in the History of the World📕: https://a.co/d/0ir3NlapTODAY'S SPONSORS:🛏️ MyPillow — Save BIG with code ERIC: https://www.mypillow.com/☀️ Honest, fast, and free Medicare plan guidance: https://askchapter.com/metaxas/0:00 Eric Returns From Oxford1:29 The Socrates In The City Retreat6:17 The Bonhoeffer Film Returns To Theaters9:42 Naomi Wolf Joins10:39 Was Mamdani Legitimately Elected?13:17 Alleged Ballot And Chain-Of-Custody Problems14:43 Testing New York’s Voting System15:33 Why Isn’t The Media Investigating?22:08 New York, Anti-Semitism, And Cultural Confidence- - -LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/@ericmetaxas#EricMetaxas #TheEricMetaxasShow #News #PoliticsChapter and its affiliates are not connected with or endorsed by any government entity or the federal Medicare program. Chapter Advisory, LLC represents Medicare Advantage HMO, PPO, and PFFS organizations and stand alone prescription drug plans that have a Medicare contract. Enrollment depends on the plan’s contract renewal. While we have a database of every Medicare plan nationwide and can help you to search among all plans, we have contracts with many but not all plans. As a result, we do not offer every plan available in your area. Currently we represent 50 organizations which offer 18,160 products nationwide. We search and recommend all plans, even those we don’t directly offer. You can contact a licensed Chapter agent to find out the number of products available in your specific area. Please contact Medicare.gov, 1-800-Medicare, or your local State Health Insurance Program (SHIP) to get information on all of your options.

Hey folks, welcome to the program. Today is Monday, August 3rd. I'm back from my travels. The travels. I was in Oxford, England. I was in Nashville and Murfreesboro, Tennessee. I flew from there to Oxford, England for Socrates in the city retreat. And then I flew yesterday.

I was in Dallas. I preached at Elevate Life Church. And then I got home. Man. Okay, in a few minutes as my guest today, Naomi Wolf is my guest today. We're going to be talking about how Mandami seems to have stolen the election. Sounds like a crazy talking point.

Naomi doesn't do crazy talking points. You'll see. Amazing that we're going to get to talk about that today. But just to say a little bit about my trip before we bring Naomi. me into the conversation. I'm sitting here in New York, of course, with Chris Himes, my producer. And Chris, you know most of this, but I guess I'm trying to think the highlights. Sometime this week, I'm going to do a full download on the trip to England because I wouldn't

know where to begin. There's so much. We were in Oxford for a Socrates in the city retreat with about 40-something people at the Randolph Hotel, which is where C.S. Lewis met Joy for the first time. But there's so much. First of all, in case you don't know, I do a lot with Socrates in the city. If you're not following Socrates and the city, go to Socrates and the city. dot com. Sign up for the emails. There is so much that's going on there that we don't do here or talk about here. I interviewed John Lennox twice, just a great joy to be with John Lennox. I haven't seen him in two years, I think.

So a great joy to interview John Lennox. I interviewed somebody will air that on these on here eventually. But Dennis Noble, oh my gosh, Dennis Noble is he's not a Christian. he seems to believe in in evolution but he has come out very strongly against neo-darwinism

and sort of the things of Richard Dawkins he has come out very strongly against Richard Dawkins that's actually what I should have said he here that I will just insert that he was Richard Dawkins professor He was Richard Dawkins as professor.

Yeah, we talked about that. He's uniquely equipped to smack down his pupil. Yeah, yeah. And his pupil doesn't like being smack down because his pupil is very arrogant. So that was an amazing, gosh, I don't want to say too much about that. But if you don't know about Socrates in the city, a lot that I do, I do under the Aegis of Socrates in the city. And we are, for example, we're going to,

to have a cruise next summer, next August on the sea cloud two. It is a glorious sailing vessel that takes, I guess, about 130 people, so it's reasonably intimate. It's not some gigantic cruise ship. 130 of us are going to do that.

We haven't advertised it yet. We haven't put, you can't sign up yet, but I'm warning you that it is pretty soon we're going to put that information out. We'll put it out on Ericmetaxis.com if you're signed up for that. But that's just a big deal. So stay tuned for that. I know there are a lot of people that they want to join us on these things that we do.

The folks who joined us for this Socrates and City time in Oxford loved it. And I loved it. Loved it. I can't say enough about it. Victoria Jackson and her husband Paul were with us always just joy. to be with Victoria. We have to get her on this program, Chris, because we have to.

I think we'll have her on. We've got to record. We've got, yeah, tomorrow or the next day, we've got to get her back. We've got to get her back. So we got Victoria Jackson.

She was part of it. We can talk about that, actually, when she's on because it was, it was really amazing. We visited, as we always do when we go to Oxford, we visited the kilns, which is CS Lewis's home,

which has been lovingly restored by the CS Lewis Foundation. I filmed a documentary there, I don't know, about 12, 14 years ago on CS Lewis. I know it's available someplace on YouTube, but extraordinary to be there. And just the dinners and the gathering of people,

it's a huge blessing. So sign up for Socrates in the city to get information on how you can join us on some of these things. They're really, they're very special. I've got to tell you, you make new friends. It's, I did make new friends and, uh, and I was there too.

I came along. I showed up because we were doing some reporting for as atheism. You showed up eventually, Chris. You showed up eventually. You weren't, you weren't there in the beginning, but you showed up and the fun began. Yeah. When you showed up. And with the time change, I actually showed up from the future.

You, and that's the weird thing. And you bumped into me showing, I was showing up from the past and we bumped into each other. And fortunately, uh, we are now together in the present, which, but it was tricky. For a while, it was tricky. It was touch and go. Artists involved, Dr. Who. I know there's so much I want to talk to about, especially because you were there and you know this stuff,

but we better not. We better not. We got to bring on Naomi. We should talk about this stuff tomorrow. But I want to say this. I'm going to say this constantly between now and October 7th. On October 7th, folks, I want you to write this down and get ready. On October 7th, we are relaunching.

The Bonhofer film in theaters across America. I say we, they, whoever launches the film. But I am very excited on October 7th. And I'm going to be exhorting you between now and then to get your church involved, to get busloads of people going to the theater, buyout theaters. We have to respond to the anti-Semitism in our time. We have to respond. We have a moral obligation to respond.

I believe exposing young people, especially to the film, to the story of Dietrich Bonhoeffer, is one way that we can form our response because Bonhoffer to me is the ultimate in how do Christians respond. He is the model of how Christians respond to anti-Semitism. I'm reading right now a book written in 1941 by Stefan Zweig. I've never read any Zweig before, but I've heard about it. My father used to mention him. He's an author in the earlier part of the 20th century.

He wrote a book called The World of Yesterday. I'm reading it right now. And, you know, he talks about the rise of anti-Semitism. He was a Jew. He was a Jew who lived there at that time. We have to respond. So mark your calendar, October 7th, in theaters, the Bonhofer film.

We want to get millions of people to see it. The left did everything they could to crush it. And we're relaunching it. And I recorded some special stuff actually to go along with it. So we'll leave it. There's so much else I want to say, but I'm not going to say it. Instead, we're going to bring on our guest, Naomi Wolf. And we'll talk more tomorrow in the next day and the next day about our adventures in Oxford.

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That's Chapter at 571-4-2-1-2-5-3. Talk to a real person and get the honest answers you deserve. Hey there, folks. Naomi Wolf is my guest. Naomi, welcome back. Thank you so much. It's always so good to be here. It's good to see you and to talk to you.

I guess my question is, what should we talk about first? Shall we talk about Mamdani, the mayor of New York, wherever I go, and I travel a lot. People say, where do you live? And I say New York, and they go, ew. You know, I get a little offended, frankly, because I was born in New York a few years ago. I've lived as an adult, most of my adult life in New York. And New York, in many ways, is a great place. And I think most New Yorkers do not like Mandami.

That's putting it mildly. So I guess I want to talk to you about your, you have, as far as I can tell, you've been the only person talking about voter fraud in the election of Mandani some months ago. What do you have to say about that? Because we haven't talked about that on this program. Yeah. Well, I think that's really fundamental to the question of Mamdani's role in public life because I think we need to start with was he legitimately elected or not by the people of New York.

And it's very kind of you to attribute to me being the sole voice raising material evidence that he may not have been elected by a majority of voters in New York. And I can go into the evidence that my group has found. But as a reporter, I think it's really meaningful that there are two other sources of independent voices reached in the same conclusion from other data sets. Some of the data sets overlap. So there's Marley Hornick of real elections who has been issuing a press release and going on news shows pointing out that she has a team of what appear to be private investigators who have mapped commercially available databases against the Board of Elections database, and she's found, they found that 7% of the votes, either the voters don't live in New York,

or they don't exist, or they have impossible social security numbers. So that projects to larger than Momdani's margin of victory. And that's really significant and bears investigation by real journalists and separately a really distinguished election integrity advocate named Lulu Frizedak of smart elections.us has teamed up with my friend and colleague and you know him because I invited you guys to his gala, Jimmy Wagner, the incredible founder of the Donald J. Trump, Kings County Republican club and the guy who launched a series of amazing Republican candidates, young and, you know, candidates of color, which matters in, you know, these deep blue boroughs where most of the voters are black or Hispanic. And I advised one of his candidates, Athena Clark, in her run for

city council. So he's a very distinguished attorney and he and Lulu Friesdat have teamed up to challenge one of the outcomes of the Democratic, I'm sorry, of the primary, the June primary that everyone in the news said, oh, look, it's these three Marxists who have had big victories. Eric, they're still counting the votes. We don't know who won that primary. It was insane to call those elections when they were still counting the votes. And what Ms. Fry's dad and Mr. Wagner have found and Judge Sweeney has agreed with them up until now, he's insisted that he's going to count the votes. What they found is unbelievable fraud,

like unbelievable systemic fraud. And I can go into detail, but I've seen it, I've witnessed it. I sat in the courtroom. Lulu Friesdette got photographs out of the cage where the votes are counted in Brooklyn. And there are like six or seven foot wide gaps where anyone can walk in and out with no security. There are boxes of paper underneath the table where the Board of Elections is counting the vote and four printers. And then Frizdat found printed ballots mixed in with the real ballots. There are bags and there are photographs that Jimmy has of these with like four feet across openings full of blank ballots left overnight outside the cage with no chain of custody, no security at all. And then, and I could go on and on. But also Brian and I independently,

so this is a fourth, both of us tried to vote illegally to see how far we could get. You and your husband, Brian O'Shea, try to vote illegally just to test the system. I hadn't heard that. Okay. Well, I stopped before risking breaking the law because I'm, you know, that kind of person, but Brian isn't. So he sailed right through with a fake name and a fake address. And they literally gave him, the poll worker gave him a form, Eric, that was filled out on one side, but blank on the other side. It's been in use since 2013. And literally, it's a referral slip that waves him right in, even though he's not registered to vote in Brooklyn, we're registered upstate.

He's, you know, he gave a fake name, fake address. They waved him right through. And this referral slip could be Xeroxed any number of times. Okay, listen.

I have a very short attention span. And I immediately want to ask the question. If there's anything to this, and I wouldn't think that you would be talking about it if there were nothing to it. So if there's anything to it, How is it possible, Naomi, that the New York Post is not covering this? This is huge news. This is absolutely gigantic news that the mayor of New York could have been, quote, unquote, elected fraudulently.

This is as big as it gets. At least in the city of New York, it doesn't get bigger than this. Have you had any success speaking to the New York Post or anyone like them to get them to cover this? That's a great question, Eric. Well, one thing I do want to say is that I think people who tamper with elections count on exactly your response. And what I mean by that is what we've seen in looking at the primary and at the mayoral race last fall is that the board of elections and the candidates and, you know, whoever was in charge of these systems, they don't just do one act of fraud that everyone kind of. understand. It's death by a thousand cuts. It's, you know, these flank ballots, these fake addresses, this form that can be Xerox. You know, it's like we've identified a dozen ways now, you know,

all of these different groups that that the election has been tampered with with the outcome of you can't say for sure. I mean, you really have to invalidate both of these last two elections because of the amount of systemic breakdown that has been documented. So I guess what I would say to people is don't lose focus, right? Because that's their method is to make it boring and to make it multiple, you know, multiple little, little problems that add up to hundreds of thousands of those. Well, listen, Naomi, it's not my job to be focused on this. It's the job of journalists, for example, at the New York Post to be focused on this. I would think that there are people who would do what you've been doing. You're not the New York Post, but this is something that it doesn't

get very much more important than whether our elections are real elections. That's as important as it gets in the United States of America. True. And so it would seem to me that reporters at places like the free press or or the New York Post that they would be on this. I would have thought so. I mean, we got we got as far as Sid Rosenberg, which is WABC, which has a national reach. And I've turned over all these materials to a government law enforcement agency. And Marley Hornick, the one who found the 7% of votes being invalidated, she's turned her data over to law enforcement. They're a different group of, you know, a different agency. So it's being looked at by law enforcement.

But, you know, Eric, I can't tell you why the Post or the Free Press isn't all over this story. You know, it's abundant, like it's court transcripts. You know, it's as verifiable as primary sourcing can be. I don't know why. I'm not in touch with The New York Post. I keep tagging them. But, you know, I'm a non-person, as you may recall in journalism. So I can't-

Well, you're not a non-person when it comes to places like the New York Post and the free press. You're a non-person as I am proud to be a non-person with the horrible fake failing New York Times. but I would think that the post would take an interest in this, and we need to do what we can to get them in the free press to look into it. Just look into it because it matters. Oh, it matters more than anything. And Brian, for his part, wants to clarify that he got to the voting booth but never cast a vote. So don't come knocking on our door.

Law enforcement, he didn't actually break them. As if law enforcement actually cared about this kind of thing, let's not kid ourselves, Neil Me. Look, you're right. I mean, we have Morales. Branded divine, we can reach out to her. But, you know, I guess part of why I'm reacting this way is I'm really tired and I keep putting this out and putting it out. And I have almost half a million followers on X and everyone who's paying attention knows where to find it. but I'm so tired knocking on doors that won't open that should open.

So it's like, just like you're saying, it's not up to you to follow the minutia of voter rolls. It's not up to me to make yet another hopeless call to a legacy media outlet that has lied about me, you know, and say, hey, I've got the biggest story of the 21st century. You know, there's been a coup in Manhattan. Has the, I assume that the New York Post has not not lied. about you. I don't know. Not as I recall, but... Well, right, but I'm saying that makes a difference. I wouldn't waste my time bothering with the New York Times or CNN because they have made it very plain that they don't

care about these kinds of things. They're not interested in the truth. But I think in Eric Post, and there's a reporter at the Free Press. I can't think of her name now, but I interviewed her for Socrates in the City, actually, back during... As Monday, as Monday, Donnie was rising in the polls. She covered his campaign pretty closely. So I hope that the free press and the New York Post would still be interested in this, particularly now that you have new information that you've been working on this as you've been doing. So let's change the subject.

Okay. I just plugged myself in, so I would not charge it. I'm glad you plugged yourself in. I remain plugged in, ladies and gentlemen. and I'm talking to Naomi Wolf. And Naomi, what else can we talk about? There's a lot. What have you been, what's been interesting you lately?

I mean, obviously, we follow each other on X. Whether this is a Christian nation, there's a conversation we could have, the threat of Islamofascism. But what in particular can we talk about today, which, as I'm told, is Monday, August 3rd? Well, I think these things are really connected, Eric, they're all the same story. Like the fall of New York to a jihadi Marxist mayor

without a shot being fired is the fall of Spain to 50,000 clearly military trained, you know, to me, obviously soldiers in civilian clothing unleashed on the town of Sayuta. Am I pronouncing that correctly? As if I would know. And it's the same, it's the same. It's the same. story as, you know, since I last spoke with you every week, there are attacks, there was an arson attack on a Jewish deli in Montreal. There's, you know, last week someone on the Upper West Side, who came out of a synagogue, was stabbed at the screwdriver. I was at a protest against anti-Semitism last week in response to that, at which I interviewed a woman who had been attacked by a man who was holding a key and he knocked her hat off. He would have hit her in the face

if she hadn't stepped back that he made contact with her face. And there were several eyewitnesses. I interviewed them. The police walked him a block away and let him go and wouldn't let her file a police report. I mean, there are these instances now regularly, daily all over the world. there is a war. And the war is, you know, it's funny. We've had these conversations. The war was China and the war was bioterror. And then we kind of slew that dragon.

And now I'm sure it's the same group of people, just rolling things out at a different guys. But the methodology now is to unleash, you know, the same people who were unleashed to dominate Europe. for 700 years until they were, I mean, people are forgetting that the Muslim Christian conflicts of hundreds of years of European history and all the way back to the Crusades and earlier. And now the way that war is being fought is with influencers and with quote unquote immigration, quote unquote refugees and also through the electoral process as blocks,

of Imam-led voters in Britain, in Western Europe, and now in the United States are being mobilized to take over cities, basically, and legal systems. I mean, for me, it's interesting, because I see the whole thing as, or the problem really, is due to what somebody called a lack of cultural confidence. In other words, if you don't know what you believe and your attitude is, whatever, well, then people who believe

very strongly in something, whether right or wrong, they will, you know, they will come in with their ideas. And we're dealing right now with a culture. I would say it's post-Christian people that don't really, don't really believe in much. And so people who believe very strongly in whatever they believe, the Islamofascists, I guess we can call them, they will stop at nothing. And And it's not as though, I mean, you have to ask, what is going on in Europe? Who are the leaders in Europe? Why aren't they pushing back? Why aren't people like Tim Walts in Minnesota pushing back?

Ultimately, that is the problem, is that we have these leaders. We sort of always assumed that somehow if there was a real problem, they would be up to it. Clearly, they're not up to it. Clearly, they're turning a blind eye to this. They don't believe in anything strongly enough to push back. against this, I guess. I mean, you're much nicer than I am, Eric. I think it's clear that a lot of these leaders are compromised or are Marxists.

I mean, but it's both, Naomi, right? In other words, you need both. That's always how evil works. That the Nazis, the Nazis had people who were complicit with them. And then they had people that were just not interested in fighting back. That's a different kind of compliance, right? And so you're quite right that there are people that are, you know, genuinely complicit with them, working with them. But you have a lot of people also that they shrug because they don't.

I mean, think of the people who voted from Mandami or who they just shrug at when you ask a question, was the election legitimate? They shrug. They don't know what they believe. And so they just, they somehow shrug. And to my mind, that's the bigger problem. If you had people that really believed in something, they would force their leaders, their putative leaders to do something about it. They'd hold them to account. But they're not sure what they believe themselves.

And so they kind of shrug. Yeah. You're right. And, you know, we can look back at 30 years. And we've talked about this a lot of our kids in their expensive schools being taught that American. history is a record of genocide and racism and subtler colonialism, like even inaccurately. Like I was in California and a fort in Sacramento, had a marker that said this is a, you know, this was a colonialist project.

And I'm like, what? The United States government was never colonizing California. Spain was colonizing California. Mexico, you know, was colonized in California. We didn't colonize. That's not what we did. and they've been taught, you know, to hate whiteness. And that's such an existential, if they're white, that's such an existentially

painful thing to be taught. And then you get an ideology that promises to absolve you. Like I was in a room full of, you know, affluent white Brooklyn creatives who were applauding when Mamdani was mentioned early on, you know, after he got elected. And I was astonished, but also not astonished because in one gesture, they get to feel okay about themselves. They get to feel okay about the American future, the American future. They get to feel like they paid the debt of their whiteness and their settler colonialism and their generational wealth or whatever privilege they've been taught to be so

ashamed of. That's part of it. But also, Eric, you know, we in the West, and we just saw this in Oxford, our friend Lawrence Box did a, you know, he's had four million views of his speech against Muslim extremism at Oxford, at which his side was threatened with violence by the Palestinian head of the Oxford Union, such an encapsulation of where we're at right now. We do have values in a society in Western Europe and North America that's premised on open, you know, free speech, freedom of conscience. They're open societies. And then you get a block of people who believe in close.

societies, specifically in there being the hegemon's and silencing us or wiping us out, you know, and establishing an Islamist state, a theocratic state. I never used to think this was true, but now I do. I see it. You know, that's the goal. When you've got these two forces in conflict, this one's going to bend unless there's a very aggressive, careful legislation, you know, immigration policy, border security, and so on. They've walked right into an open society with the goal of closing a society. Well, that makes sense, doesn't it? They don't believe what we believe.

And, you know, because I've been talking about the American Revolution, wherever I go since I've written this book on the American Revolution, I'm really fascinated how these ideas, which most of us have prized for, you know, for centuries now come right out of the Bible. They don't come out of the Quran. They don't come out of French philosophy. They come from the Bible. And we used to have a consensus. We, the West, we used to believe in these things. Europe believed in them. America believed in them much more, really. But we're kind of in this confused post-truth society. And if you don't understand these things, these very strong dark forces will come in

and they'll take as much advantage as we let them take. And so I guess the question is whether we're at a point where enough of us are pushing back. You've been extraordinarily brave. Lawrence Foxx, I was in Oxford and did not know that he was coming to Oxford to do this debate. So it kills me that I was, you know, like I think 150 yards away with no knowledge this was going.

We had our own Socrates in the city dinner, but anybody who hasn't seen it yet, I mean, his 12-minute speech, it's extraordinary and he's extraordinary. So this is a debate that's raging in Europe, in the United States, the larger debate. And I am cautiously optimistic. I guess I would put it that way,

because there are a number of us that are fighting. And so much is, in fact, coming out. I mean, just to see RFK Jr. talking to Dana Bash on CNN the other day. And that was extraordinary that we're finally getting somewhere, I guess I would say. We're on a show like that. The truth is coming out through a member of the president's cabinet. That was so satisfying.

Yeah, I agree with you. I mean, Brian and I were just talking about how it's like we're hurtling toward the apocalypse. Like all of the veils are falling away. The forces of evil are, you know, being made more and more visible. the forces of good are being made more and more visible. You can't really stay in the middle anymore. I think a lot of people we know are going through some existential crises in the wake of the Dr. Fauci hearings in the wake of arguments like that between Secretary Kennedy and Dana Bash on CNN that never even used to be given airtime. I mean, it's a head-spinning time. I'm glad you're

cautiously optimistic. I guess I just do feel like, as always, it's a race against time, just like it was with the last wave of assaults through this bioweapon and via China. Because if, you know, Sharia law gets established, which again, I used to think that was such a right-wing fever dream that that was even a goal. Now it's clearly a goal. But if they get there first, you know, before Britain finds a way to mobilize, before, or, you know, North America finds a way to fight back legally, what could be at risk is our open society, right? Because it's very dangerous. You know, radical Islam is clearly a political movement. And Islamic Marxism is, you know, definitely a version of a political movement. But there's enough religious cloaking of radical Islam so that it's kind of a snare for the United States, right?

Like make this so toxic and politically dangerous that you tempt the U.S. to crack down on free speech or to censor a religion or to... I don't really see that happening, Naomi. I think that I just don't. I think that we know the difference. And I think that that is something that, I mean, I guess who do you think would do that? And why do you think that they would get away with it? I just don't see that happening. I think the opposite.

It has been happening. I don't see that happening. I don't know. How do you fight like abundant? They're so smart, right? If you have 200 people praying in the street, blocking traffic, you know, down on their prayer mats, how do you fight that without cracking down on free speech, right? Or freedom of assembly?

How do you bloth, like Laura Lume? is calling for a ban on Muslim immigration. If you block people because they're a religion, you're engaging in, you know, religious discrimination. Like how... Now, hang on a second. We have no obligation as a nation to let in anyone, right? We could just say anybody with the letter A in their name can't come in.

We have the right to, you know, it's sort of like saying, what are your rights with free speech? Pretty limitless, right? Our right is to let in any... anyone we like and to exclude anyone we don't like. We don't have to go to the Hague to ask their permission to exclude people. So it's kind of a, we're talking about a couple of different things here. Well, let me ask you this. How would you fight, you know, the Islamist, Marxist takeover of city after city after city. They're doing it perfectly lawfully, unless you can track the money, which the White

House is cleverly doing to terrorist-aligned foreign funders. How do you fight that? It's entirely legal for people to be communist in this country and to vote communist or to vote jihadi until there's threats of violence? Well, I mean, yes, it's it's it's legal. We have we have the freedom to do stupid suicidal things and that there's nothing, you know, that's the nature of freedom, right? So how do we fight it? That's a, it's a larger question.

I think that part of it is awakening people. to the threat and getting people to vote and to do what they can. I mean, that to me is that is central, whether we can fight it legally. I don't know. I do think that we have, you know, it's kind of like the standard double-tiered justice system that if Christians, if conservative Christians were trying to do things like this, somebody would find a way to fight it, wouldn't they? For sure.

Yeah. So I don't know. I think it's an issue of will at heart. Okay. I hear you, but I'm a Jewish woman sitting in a city that is in the hands of a man who every week signals that he supports people who say kill the infidels or, you know, America deserve 9-11. And I'm a property owner in a city that the mayor sent out a letter essentially doxing homeowners who were upper middle class because that is literally what a million dollar apartment represents. It's a home for an upper middle class family in New York City. And people who voted for him, right, are being hit with $50,000 taxes.

Alex Berenson's mom, you know, I was just going over the. people who are close friends of mine who probably got that letter. You know, I'm sure many of them voted for him. That is an act of like warfare against property and property ownership in New York City. So I guess what I'm asking you is if people like us who are, you know, sophisticated, well educated, know a lot of lawyers don't know how to fight back against this. You know, I can't even get my local hometown newspaper to pay attention to the fact that Mom Donnie might not have been elected, right? How can you be so. that it's all going to work out.

Well, I just wanted to use the phrase before we run out of time. I want to say that Mamdani is a boil that needs to be lanced. How the boil will be lanced, we don't know. But it seems to me that we have to do what we can. You are talking about this on this program, for example. You're not doing nothing. everybody everybody can do something Naomi and I think that getting this information to the New York Post and the free press I'm going to do what I can with that and you have to direct me to whatever summation you can give me on this

because I can't help but think that the New York Post and the free press would be interested in whether the election was fraudulent. It seems to me that they would want to cover that. Maybe they're distracted because there's so much else to cover. But that's at least a start. Right. Thank you. I know you have to go soon. How many minutes do we have left?

Okay. So we're pretty much at a time. There is so much more that I want to talk to you about. We'll have to do it another time. I always feel guilty. I'm glad. Like I always feel guilty when I say goodbye on this show. There's always so much more to say.

Well, there's so, no, as long as you feel guilty, that's progress. No, seriously, there really is so much, there's so much that we can talk about, that we should talk about. But we'll leave it there for now, Naomi. We're just really grateful for the work that you and Brian are doing. and I will, I'll talk to you offline about how we can reach folks at the New York Post and the free press because I can't help but think that they have to be. We have to care.

They have to care about this. Yeah, they have to care about this. So Naomi Wolf, thank you so much. Thank you so much, Eric. And congratulations on your book. I'm so excited about it. Thank you. Thank you.

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