The Eric Metaxas Show - #197 - John Zmirak

Episode Date: September 9, 2026

Today On The Eric Metaxas Show, Eric returns from Greece with a remarkable update on a story he has followed for more than three decades: the search for the historical world behind Homer’s Odysseus.Eric recounts how researchers used details in The Iliad and The Odyssey to identify a location on Kefalonia, where archaeologists later uncovered a major Mycenaean tomb. He discusses a seal stone found at the site that he says bears imagery resembling a description in The Odyssey, his frustration with the way the discovery has been handled, and the new development that the site believed to contain Odysseus’s palace may finally be excavated.Later, John Zmirak joins Eric to discuss Milo Yiannopoulos, Islam and Christianity, immigration and free speech in Europe, and Gloria Steinem’s legacy.

Hey there, folks, welcome back. We're back to school. It's September 8th, suddenly. It's September 8th, Tuesday. And it's back to school. Oh, no. Welcome back. Mommy, how did this happen?

I don't want to go back to school, Mommy. I know, I know. Well, listen, I want to say, I just got back. As you can tell from my tan, I just got back from Greece. I want to tell everything about Greece. I don't even know if I'm going to be able to cover it today. We might have to continue tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow because we got John Smirak coming up to talk about current events in the second half of this program.

Right now, I should just get started on talking about what I did on my summer vacation because this is true. Chris, you know this because you know my life. And I should frame it to say that, Eric, you're the hardest working human being, I know. and I was getting concerned for you that you were working so hard promoting your book that you weren't taking time to just sort of, you know, enjoy the summer and take a break from it because it's been a four-month gauntlet for you. So to get over to Greece. That's for rich people.

I'm a working man. No, seriously. I've had no vacation. I've had no vacation. That's no exaggeration. I mean, the book came out. I mean, my first event with the, with the Revolution book was May 24th. The book officially came out June 2nd.

And I have been traveling the country like a lunatic speaking about the American Revolution, speaking about my book everywhere. I've been in a church, preaching in a church at least once, usually twice, sometimes three times every single Sunday. the only exception was Father's Day when I was traveling from Colorado, from Denver to England to speak at the ARC conference that was in London. I mean, I've been doing that. Plus, I've been doing innumerable podcasts. I mean, I'm doing podcasts practically every day, you know, all kinds of podcasts. People want me to come on and talk about the revolution. But as a result of that, the revolution. But as a result of that, the Revolution book was on the New York.

And I'm going to talk about my trip to Greece in just a second here. And there's insane stuff. There's insane stuff. So you wait. But the Revolution book was on the New York Times bestseller list for 11 weeks. Just this past week, it dropped off the list because I was in Greece. I wasn't promoting it. I wasn't doing podcasts.

so it dropped off the list. If the list were longer, I don't know if it would be number 16. The list used to be, they had an extended list, so it would go to 25, but now it's a cutoff visit 15. So I don't know,

will it be back on the list this week? Every Wednesday, you get the new list, and I hope it will. And I say, again, to people, if you haven't bought it yet, please buy a copy. And Amazon finally, finally, has radically discounted

the book. It was, as I checked this morning, $29. This is a $45 book discounted 35% on Amazon. Now, no joke, they fluctuate like crazy. I mean, one day it was $40. The next day was $35. I don't know why it fluctuates like that. They keep doing that. But as of today, it was $29. It has never been below $35. Like, that's nuts. That's crazy. I think it's an hour. algorithm, but I don't know. I don't know how any of this stuff works, this technology, but maybe Barnes & Noble is going through menopause. Did you stop? That's probably what it is. I'm pretty sure that's it. So I want to say, if you want to buy multiple copies for Christmas or anything like that, it's not going to get lower than $29. That's, I don't think that they would go lower than 35, 35% off.

And it's a 600 page book. I mean, I can say, I think it's worth it. And I'll also say, I continue, to be absolutely astonished at the positive reviews on Amazon. Because on Amazon, every nut who hates me or hates the book or whatever can say, whatever nasty things they want. Or whatever, everyone who hates America. Well, anything, but 850 reviews and it's like 99% of that are five-star review. It is nuts.

Like it's been super, super, super, super positive. in a way that I try not to think about it too much, but I just want to say, that's amazing. And let me recommend it to you on that, right? Don't go by me. But, I mean, I've never had this experience where Amazon reviews are that positive, where the average number of stars

is 4.9 stars out of a possible five. Like, that's just amazing. So it proves that people are enjoying it. They're enjoying reading it and they're finding it fun and all that kind of stuff. But $29 as of today. By the time this is, I don't know if that's changed, but my goodness.

Okay. And if you're one of those 800 reviewers, thank you for doing that because that really does help. Yeah, yeah. I mean, if you have something nice to say, please say it on Amazon. I want to talk about the trip to Greece, but I have to mention this also quick. The Bonhofer film, which I was very involved with, people say, were you involved with that? Yes, very involved.

it came out two years ago and the radical left crushed it. They just did everything they put out negative press and said it's Christian nationalism. Insane, insane, insane, insane. So it's being relaunched

October 3rd and 4th. Folks, I'm talking to you. I'm asking you if you want to do me a personal favor or you want to do yourself a favor, please mark it down on your calendar. October 3rd and 4th. I originally had said October 6th,

because this is to mark what happened October 7th a couple years ago, it will also probably be in theaters October 7th, but for sure it's October 3rd and 4th, because of the October 7th date, we wanted to get as close to that as possible. It needs to do well in theaters across the country. If you're part of a church, please get the word out. I will give you the website as soon as I get the website

where you can sign up, but this is very, very important. The film is spectacular. If you want to know how Christians should respond to persecution of Jews, or how Christians respond when it comes to anti-Semitism. To me, the Bonhoeffer story is that example. And the movie is spectacular. I was very involved with it.

And I ask you to write that on your calendar, October 3rd, October 4th. That's a weekend for your churches to go, buy out the theaters. Please, folks, I'm going to keep harping on this. Please write this down. Tell your church, get the word out. Okay, enough for that.

All right, Greece. I was not kidding that I have not had a vacation. Suzanne and I blocked out about a week and a half at the end of August, beginning of September, saying we've got to just stop, go to the beach, do something. So we were just going to go to Long Island. We were not going to travel, and I was not going to go to Cephalonia this summer, which is the second summer in a row that I wasn't going to go, which is hard because it's a big part of my heart is in Cephalonia.

That's, again, where my dad grew up. up and my relatives are and I love it there more than you know probably any place in the world and so something happened about a month ago when I was in oxford england a number of things clicked a little bit bizarrely and i always am looking for god's leading in in what i do like lord are you in this are you with me do you want me to do this or is this my idea whatever but it seemed that that the lord was was in this that it was like yep yep go to cephalonia with suzanne um now it was not really just for vacation, it was to film a new documentary, an update on what is going on. And this is where I want to say some of you are familiar because I've talked about on this program in the past.

And I won't go into the depth right now. But in 1992, I will tell the story again sometime. I was present at the excavation of the tomb of Odysseus. Yes, there's a real king, Odysseus. The details are fuzzy, of course, but the basics are there, that I have this friend with the same last name as me, Mataxis. My cousin, Yangos Metaxus said that this friend of his,

Muckus Metaxus, who's not related to us, that he and his Dutch wife, using the text of Homer, reading the Illy and the Odyssey, they actually figured out where Homer's Ithaca is, where is the kingdom of Odysseus. Now that sounds far-fetched

until you get into the details and then you realize, oh my gosh, this is real. They crack the code. They figured out that if you read all the details in Homer, that there's only one place that it could be,

and that has to be the south-western, I'm sorry, the south-eastern corner of cephalonia, Kefalonia, Kefalonia, however you want to spell it. I say cephalonia, Kefalonia, Kefalonia. But the south-eastern corner, they knew they figured it out. And I can tell you those details in the time. That's what the documentary is about

that we're making the new one we're making. But here's the thing. It's nice to have a theory. But if your theory is correct, you're going to be able to prove the theory. probably, right? Well, they were able to prove the theory. He knew that the harbor of Ithaca, the harbor where Odysseus' ships would have been, all that stuff, had to be in this certain spot. He knew this based on all this other stuff. And he said, okay, if that's true,

then there's no doubt that there is a Mycenaean civilization around here. Like this is, you can't just throw out a theory. Now you've got to prove it. So you're claiming that this Mycenaian kingdom was it here? Okay, now you got to prove it. Now you got to find stone. a tomb, a palace, or whatever it is, because they found all of that in all the other places Homer refers to, in Troy, in Mycini, where Agamemnon, the great king is from,

in Pilos, where King Nestor is from, they found Mycenaean civilization. And so to review again, Mycenae and civilization is about a thousand years before classical Greece. So we're talking around 1600 BC to 1150 BC. that's roughly the Mycenae civilization. So my, now he's a good friend,

Marcus Metaxus or Metaxas, as we say in Greece, and his Dutch wife, Hetty. They knew that they'd found, you know, where it should be. Nobody else had ever looked there. And they said, okay, but now we got to prove it. So Marcus spends eight months scouring the area, looking for Mycenaean ruins. And in September of 1990,

one, a shepherd. An old shepherd says, Hey, Marcus, what are you doing around here? I always see you walking around. What are you looking for? And he says to him, well, then he kind of explains, I'm looking for some, you know,

my ancient stones. And have you ever seen any stones here? And the shepherd says, well, now that you mention it, about 50 yards from where you're standing, see those bushes? Behind there, there's some stones that were used to build a bridge.

You know, that bridge right over there. Yeah, they use stones from there to build a bridge right. before the war, right before World War II. Maybe you can check that out. So Marcus walks over, bab boom, he finds the lintel to the opening of a Tholos tomb.

They contact the mainland. The next day, a woman comes, an archaeologist. She's like, yep, you found something. I don't know if it's the day after that or a couple days later. The main guy from Athens comes and he says, this is a major Mycenaean find.

and we're going to dig here. This is a big deal, but you can't tell anybody about this because this is a very big deal, what you found. So that's the short story. The bottom line is the next year I show up there in 92,

and I ask my cousin out of the blue, hey, you know, I wonder about Odysseus and which is they, you know, it seems like he would have been from this island, not from what's today called Ithaca because what's today called Ithaca is kind of a nothing,

you know, it's not a major place with great natural resources and all this stuff. And my cousin says, oh, yeah, and it's funny you mention it. And then he tells me the story about this friend of his. And I said, what are you joking? Like last year they found it. And I'm just bringing this up out of the blue.

And he goes, yeah, and they're going to excavate it this summer, which is the summer of 92. And if you want to come back in August, because that was May, I was there for a funeral, you can, you can see it. So I go back in 92 and I see it. And it has been 30 plus years. I've been trying to tell the story. I've never written a book about it, not yet. I'm planning to finally now. But I got our friend Seth Ward to make a documentary

with Morgan Freeman and it aired on PBS. And that I'm just saying to everybody, you got to see it. You can see it for free. It's a really beautifully done documentary. Seth is, you know, he's a industry professional, has lots of friends. So the guy that was his DP is shot, incredible things all over the world.

And it just, you won't watch anything that looks any better. It's just gorgeous. Well, it's amazing. And so it's Odysseus Returns. And it's on PBS. I mean, if you go online, you can, it might even be like free on YouTube. I don't even know at this point. But the Greek government has been trying to suppress this from the beginning.

And that's part of the story we want to tell in the documentary that I was shooting just now. Because it's infuriating that even though we, know everything. The Greek government will not allow the film that they made, this PBS film, oh, by the way, with Morgan Freeman doing the voiceover. They will not allow that to air in Greece. Think about how sick that is. So they're like, you know, they don't love that this amateur, quote unquote, amateur archaeologists kind of bested them essentially. Is that not a big part of it? Well, no. I mean, I think, I think there are many things. That's a piece of it. That's a piece of it. But there's other stuff. There's political garbage where the people

in Ithaca are angry because you're taking our livelihood. Our whole identity is Odysseus. And you're saying now his, the real Ithaca is in Cephalonia, which is, you know, next door, but not, it's not our island. How dare you? It'd be like if the citizens of Hershey, Pennsylvania were upset because there was an amazing chocolate river under Lancaster, Pennsylvania that showed up that was actually the true resting place of chocolate lore. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Well, tell them about, wasn't there like a seal that they found, like a little, I know there's so much more of the story, but there's like a, you know, kind of I'm going to tell, I'm going to tell the rest of the story tomorrow. Yeah. But just to say, yes, to put the button in it here. So they find this tomb. Now,

keep in mind, the only reason they found the tomb. Now, I have to be clear, this is the largest Mycenaean-era tomb in Western Greece. So it's not that they found a tomb. They found the largest Mycenaean-era tomb in Western Greece. Now, there was, if you know the Iliad and the Odyssey and you know where Odysseus is from, that's his world. So there's hardly any Mycenaean ruins anywhere in that area, except boom right there. And the tomb that they found is.

monster, right? It's 20 feet in diameter. It's a tholos tomb, a domed like a beehive. It's a big deal. They didn't just find something. They knew they found this is the tomb of a great king from around 1150 BC. It's a big deal. How did they find it? Because Marcus and Hetty read the Odyssey and said it's got to be right here and that's where they looked. I mean, so you know, you can't have said, oh, well, we found a tomb. Who's to say what it's about? Well, the only reason they found it exactly. where it was because they're reading the Illy and the Odyssey. So the point is that if Odysseus ever existed, and we can't say that he did, but if he ever did,

this is where the myth comes from, this is where the story comes from, this is where, this is it. But where it gets we're easier is if you say, well, well, we still don't know. In the tomb, they didn't find much because grave robbers, you know, looters have been looting it for millennia. But at the lowest level,

they thought they found the bottom, but there was another level. This sounds like something out of a, like a movie, right? Yeah, Indiana Jones. They find another level. And there they find some stuff that has not been looted. And they find what's called a seal stone. So it's like the size of a quarter.

And it is a carved stone. And the technology for this was already lost in Odysseus' time. In other words, in 1150 BC, they couldn't do this anymore. This was an heirloom in his day from Crete passed down. They only had technology to do this in Crete, around the 16th century BC, this ornate sealstone. Imagine carving an ornate tiny sealstone with technology that day. They don't have lenses.

Who knows? It's insane. So they find this. And what is the image on that seal stone? It's like we're making it up, folks. It's the same image as what is described in the Odyssey when Odysseus appears disguised to Penelope. And he says, oh, I've seen Odysseus. Oh, and she says, how have you seen him?

I do you know it was him. And he describes the image of a lion seizing a fawn in its paws, just about to devour it. That's the image Odysseus describes in the Odyssey to prove that the man he says he saw was Odysseus. That is the image on the seal found by my friend Marcus Metaxus. It's like, boom, QED, proved, here it is, boom, done. So you would think now the whole world is going to explode with this information, but it's been suppressed all these years. So we fought to get this documentary made. So I'm saying go see it.

Again, you can just Google PBS, Odysseus returns. You can just Google PBS Odysseus. It'll come up. But Marcus is a dear friend of mine. My cousin, Yangos Mataxis, he is in the film. I was kicked out of the film because I was too Trumpy. I was too red, too radioactive politically. So PBS got freaked out.

that's part of the reason we're making another film because obviously this film wouldn't exist, the BBS version, if it weren't for me, screaming about this and dragging my friend Seth Ward into it. So it's a wonderful film, but it doesn't tell, there's pieces that are left out. And that's why we said we got to do an update.

And here's the punchline on the update. We learned this trip. So nine days ago, at dinner with Marcus, and again, sounds like I'm making it up, but I've known this for years. For years, they've known where the palace is. So forget about the tomb. The palace of Odysseus.

They know where it is. And because of government red tape, they have not been able to excavate it. Well, that now will go away and they're going to begin excavating the palace of Odysseus. Folks, can you imagine what I'm talking about here? So this is a big deal. So I'm going to write a book about it, which I've been holding off for years. I'm going to We were we were there shooting a documentary film

This updating stuff to add all the stuff that we couldn't squeeze into the to the Morgan Freeman PBS thing because there's a lot of stuff That they just couldn't they just didn't have time. It was just a big thing but the film they made it's great Odissiress turns PBS so you got to see that so that you're kind of up on this stuff and of course because the Christopher Nolan film which I didn't love right I really didn't like it but it kind of helps people who are totally unfamiliar with the story of Odysseus and whatever, because I know that there are a lot of people that just don't know that story and they're not going to sit down. It's a huge primer, yeah. I mean, the masses kind of aided up, which is great. Great for Western civilization for the most part.

But yeah, this is a great time. Yeah. So I'm going to, all right, we're going to, we're going to zip. We're going to pull in John's Merak to talk about current events. And then tomorrow, I'm going to continue this story. There is way more that I have not told you about my summer vacation of eight days. Honestly, there's just way more. It's crazy.

And when we come back tomorrow, I'll tell you that. But in a minute, we're talking to Johns Amirak. Do not forget my book in The Revolution, it's never been cheaper at Amazon. Get multiple copies now, please. And do not forget October 3rd and 4th, the Bonhofer film in theaters, Just write it down October 3rd and 4th. Gotta see it. Got to tell your church.

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It's time to find the clarity you deserve. Hey, there, folks, as I promised, I have a guest. He's my guest, but in a way he's your guest, too, because here he is, John's Merak. Welcome back, John. Hey, Eric, welcome back. You just got back to the brief. Well, yeah, I was going to say, I'm the one that's back, but welcome back to this. Yes, you can tell from my tan.

It could be a spray on tan. It could be a spray on tan. I don't know. Maybe it's drinking too much character. I have been, well, that's no. I want to talk to you about current events because I have been, it's interesting, being out of the country like that,

it was, it took a couple of days and I found myself so unmoored from current events that it was it was actually strange. I thought, wow. Like, I'm just, like, I don't care what's going on. I'm just, you know,

drifting off like a balloon. I'm going to take a principal stand. I oppose current events. Because 99% of them are terrible. So I'm just going to take a principle. I oppose them on principle. I oppose current events. Just stop.

Make it stop. And I've always noticed also that the, that all the bad things in life happened during one of the four seasons. So I'm against seasons in general. That's right. You know, you know what I'm saying? You know, don't tell me about spring because bad stuff has happened in spring and also winter, summer, fall, just not a big fan.

I'm just going to be, you know, go out, go out on a limb and say that. April is the cruelest month. Remember that. Right. And the other are almost as cruel. Let's be clear. Let's be clear. But able to just technically.

remember, I don't know, did you have to do this at Yale, memorize the first 20 lines of the Canterbury Tales in Middle English? I thought that was a requirement. April is April's April's month. That's from T.S. Eliot. Is, of course, T.S. Eliot. But did I have to memorize one that April with the Shara Sota and the drugs of March had cursed to the Ruta?

And bothered every very very very many in Svichli-Clor. of which vertuant gendar is the floor. This used to be a thing. It used to be anybody who wants to help. Excuse me. Excuse me. Excuse me. One Zephyrus Ike with his sway to breathe in spirit hath in every hold in heath. The tender crop is in the young asana hath in the ram, hear half course, irona.

You be a little fallen, mock and melody. Now, we've lost whatever audience we once had are gone. No, but I think memorization is very important. It's very important. And yes, I memorized the first, it's like the first 40 lines or first 20 lines of Chaucer's, the prologue to Chaucer's Canterbury Tales. In the, it is, it is Middle English. It's Middle English. So it's very difficult, unless you have some German background, which I do,

it's difficult to understand a lot of it. But anyway, I don't, you're making the kit. I think memorization is a great thing. And I want to say, we are going to talk about current events in a second here. But I want to say that a few years ago, I think it's eight years ago, I got people on the program. We had a contest to memorize, to my mind, one of the absolute greatest poems in the English language,

which is Paul Revere's ride by, Henry Wadsworth Longfellow. And I say if you're doing homeschooling, that is one of the greatest things to memorize, to get the kids to memorize that poem. It's totally doable. I memorized it. My daughter, who was very young, memorized it.

That's the shock is that you don't think you can memorize it, but you memorize it a piece at a time. And before you know it, you've memorized this beautiful poem and the rest of your life, you have it. So it's a beautiful thing. So this is just getting a word in for, wrote memorization as a great thing.

And the rhyme scheme and the rhythm helps you memorize it. The rhyme scheme and the and the, the rhyming and the metrics help you memorize it. And that reminds us that poetry used to be memorized. And it goes back, poetry used to be entirely oral. The Iliad and the Odyssey were memorized poems that were just recited verbally

for hundreds of years before they were, ever written down. That is a lost art. Well, I really did want to talk about current events and talk about this kind of fun stuff maybe tomorrow. So let's talk about current events. Milo Yanopoulos was deported. Now, I've got to say to the audience, Milo Yanopolis breaks my heart because I got to know him a number of years ago. At least I thought I got to know or I knew him a little bit. And I really genuinely, genuinely cared about this young man.

He seemed to be turning a corner in his life. And I really cared about him. And I was trying to reach out to him. And in the years since, it has genuinely broken my heart to see him go down this dark path and say things. I mean, he said some things about my friend Dennis Prager's accident. that were so vile, it took my breath away. I couldn't believe that anybody could say such a thing ever, ever, anybody, ever. But he did.

And anyway, so I don't know what to say. Milo said a lot of vicious things about a lot of people. It seems to be his stock and trade. I can say that there were never five consecutive seconds where I thought he was worth anything. Even when he was at his best, something about him put me off. I got that sociopath vibe. And I think it's because I've fallen for sociopaths in the past and I've sort of started to recognize their distinctive smell. But Milo for a while was a flamboyant Trump supporter. Then he didn't get rewarded by the Trump movement the way he felt he deserved. And he

He turned on Trump and he actually sabotaged Trump during the crucial run-up to the 2024 election. He sandbagged Trump by arranging a lunch with Kanye West, which is bad enough, and bringing along Nick Fuentes, the viciously anti-Semitic lunatic. And so Trump was photographed with Nick Fuentes. And Milo said he did it to punish Trump. because he didn't think Trump rewarded him

because Milo thought he was responsible for Trump becoming present. Milo then had a... When everyone knows that I was responsible, I mean, that's, you know, all you have to do is look it up in the books and you can see I was responsible and Milo thought he was right.

It's crazy, it's crazy. But listen, we don't need to get, my way of dealing with people like that in ways is just to try not to talk about it. But you mentioned to me, earlier. The story has continued. He got it.

He's been living in America illegally for years. His visa was based on his homosexual marriage. He now claims he's no longer gay, but he's still legally married to a man. He didn't bother to renew his visa. And somebody reported him to ICE and he got himself deported. Within a week, he was on, who's that terrible, British hosts Pierce Morgan.

He was on the Peers Morgan show. Oh. He was within a week, he was on the Pierce Morgan show. Pierce Morgan is the most I just have to say I don't have anything good to say about

Pierce Morgan, but go ahead. Yeah. All right. He was on the Pierce Morgan show denouncing the Trump administration and ICE for the inhumane, cruel savage treatment. of illegal immigrants like himself.

And then a few days later, he's photographed sitting, kneeling in prayer at a mosque in Britain. So this is really the kind of principal conservative that America can't afford to lose. I'm sorry, the whole thing strikes me as like a, kind of like a horrible, hideous farce. It's like a, he's like a sign, it's a signfeld character. It's like George Costanza finally ending up in that Florida prison cell on the last episode of Seinfelds.

Yeah, I don't know if there's anything worth even saying about it. Unless you have something else to add, it's just it's just depressing to me. Yeah. I wanted to say that it's interesting that he ends up in a mosque because Islam is a religion that seems to have been created. to appeal to the lowest instincts of morally underdeveloped man. It encourages aggression, sexual predatory behavior, pride, boastfulness, vain glory. It takes certain aspects of biblical revelation and hijacks them to encourage human vices. and I'm not surprised to see Americans

who had developed hatred towards Jewish people who are resentful and bitter and power hungry. I'm not surprised to see them gravitating towards being pro-Muslim in the world because the spirit behind the religion of Islam is not a godly spirit. It's another spirit and it has a name. Well, I was really,

reading recently a book by Raymond Ibrahim whom you've recommended to me in the past and he he does make clear what should be obvious but I'd never really quite seen it before he doesn't put it this way this is my thinking but it but Islam is like the anti-Christianity religion which if you follow the logic of that that's scary right but when you think of the humility of Jesus when you think of the self-sacrifice of Jesus, allowing him to be, to be kill himself, to be killed for us, and setting the example that we're to be selfless. That is the opposite of the message sent to young men, Lord, into Islam, which is that if you conquer, if you do this, if you do this, you will get to sleep with 72 big-breasted creatures.

It's so base. It's just, it's almost amazing that people don't talk about that more because it's so base and it really does appeal. It appeals to lust. Think about that. A quote unquote religion that appeals to the lust of men. That's just bizarre. And the fact that Jesus allowed himself to be crucifying, Muhammad praised and rewarded people who assassinated his. critics. He said that they had done well. They assassinated people who wrote negatively about him

and he rewarded them for it. You can see how one religion really appeals to some of the strongest, darkest urges in the human heart. And Christianity constantly calls on us to mortify those urges, to rein them in, to control them. It's a buzzkill. But, but, It produces a beautiful civilization. It produces kindness. It produces justice. But I mean, I have to, you know, you're half joking when you say it's a buzzkill. It's a buzzkill like somebody says, eat your vegetables, make your bed, exercise, stop smoking, treat your parents with respect.

Like, yeah, initially you go, yeah, I don't want to. But then you find out, oh, you'll become a beautiful human being if you take that advice. Right. And when I think about the idea that Islam is encouraging people to do things for sexual rewards, you think, how bizarre. I mean, how bizarre that it claims to be a religion. I mean, if I were the devil and I want to invent a religion, that's coming pretty close. It's really bizarre. And I think we have to be honest about this, folks.

If I'm missing something, you know, I always want to be corrected. but I'm afraid that I'm not missing anything, that that's the history of Islam. In fact, the other day, John, I don't know if you saw it, but a former police officer in England, he was a former police officer. He's retired.

He posted a meme, a joke, that said eating bacon dramatically decreases your chances of sleeping with a nine-year-old. and for that he was seriously fined and I mean it really is bizarre because even if you don't like the joke first of all there's truth in it but even if you don't like it that we're now at a point where you have people in the government in England fining people for posting jokes about things that are that are actually true I mean it is bizarre what has happened in England a dozen people a day are arrested for social media posts in Britain, most of them to do with Muslim

immigration. A recent thing that just happened, a bunch of young men put on ski masks because there was no free speech in Britain and closed down the facility the government was using to import hundreds more Muslims from Africa into Britain. Illegal immigrants, local residents showed up to try to stop it, and the police were using pepper spray and riot gear. against the local residents in order to bring more young military-aged young men, mostly Muslim, from Africa to dispossess the British people. And the British elites are complicit with this. Even Nigel Farage, who's allegedly the leader of the conservatives in Britain,

the real conservatives of Britain, he said those young men were disgusting. They offended his class snobbery. The only real leader trying to defend the British people is time. Robinson, a working class young man who recently found Christ when he was in jail. He was in prison because he has been repeatedly imprisoned by the British government for exposing the government's complicity in the Muslim rape gangs, which have preyed on upwards of 250,000 young women, have been sex trafficked, raped, forced into prostitution

by Pakistani gangs that have been imported by the government to be safe votes, the left. Melanchang, were the leaders of the French far left, said, the native Frenchman, he will not create socialism. For that, we will bring in the African.

He said, we need to bring in third worlders to vote us into power. Angela Merkel, who opened the borders and brought in tens of thousands of Syrians and created a rape epidemic in Britain, she's on tape saying she did it. Germany. Just to be clear. Yeah. She's on tape saying she did it in order to defeat the far right, to bring in more voters. Just yesterday, on Sunday, German voters in one state gave a huge plurality, 47% of the vote to the alternative for Deutsche Latt.

the Patriot Party in Germany that is constantly falsely tarred as being neo-Nazi, when in fact it's the only party in Germany that's really strongly pro-Israel and wants to protect Jews in Germany from violence at the hands of anti-Semites they are importing by the tens of thousands every year, while pretending that they reject the legacy of Hitler. So what we're seeing across the West is, and we're seeing in America and the Democratic Party, the alliance of the radical left with Islam.

The radical left wants to be useful idiots to Islam. Well, they think they're bringing in cheap, safe votes. The Muslims know better. They know we're using the Democratic Party. We're going to wear it as a skin suit, and then we'll go to enact Sharia law. The same people who say it's transphobic to not allow men to pretend to be women

and beat girls up in sports and who want abortion through the ninth month, those same people want to bring in the most reactionary, misogynistic, patriarchal rape culture that ever existed, Islam, by the millions into America, just for short-term political advantage. The Muslims are playing the long game. They know these useful idiots will be swept aside

the moment they hit 51% of the vote. It's quite a time to be alive. I want to, tomorrow is the 10th of September. No, sorry, today's the eighth tomorrow. Yeah. Well, it's the anniversary of the murder of Charlie Kirk. The day after that, of course, is the 25th anniversary of 9-11.

I wonder what is going to happen. The idea that you would have Mayor Mamdani overseeing that or being part of those will Governor Hockel I don't know what the term is. Will the governor of New York wear her Muslim hijab which she wore

last week to the 9-11's ceremony? All of this actually is kind of a footnote to George W. Bush. The day after 9-11 had a press conference with a bunch of Muslim leaders

and announced that Islam is a religion of peace that has been unfortunately hijacked by a few extremists. And then the Bush administration from Muslim countries. That was our response to 9-11 was to bring more Muslims into America

to prove we don't hate them. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. That is the surrender monkey impulse among some Republicans. We've only got two minutes left. So I want to ask you, any words about the recent death of Gloria Steinem,

Any initial thoughts on that? I'm not going to say the uncharitable things that come to mind. We should always pray for the dead and always maintain some hope for everyone's salvation. It seems like a slim hope in her case because this is someone who explicitly said that abortion was the central plank of feminism. She supported Bill Clinton's molestation of Monica Lewinsky. She supported Bill Clinton staying in office because of abortion rights. She explicitly said whatever he does in his private life, he helps keep our access to abortion rights. That for her was the central plank of feminism.

I think maybe we should believe her. If the price of feminism is tens of millions of abortions, we have to judge, judge a a tree by its fruits, right? If the price of equality is mass murder, and maybe equality needs to be rethought, it was the Marquis de Saad, that infamous pornographer who was in prison for torturing prostitutes, he came up with you, he was the first thinker since the conversion of Europe to argue for legal abortion. He said women need to be able to walk away from the fruits of fornication just the way men do. So we must have abortions that women can feel as free to be promiscuous as men. That argue was taken up by Simone de Beauvoir and Jean-Paul Sartre and put into

their books. And then that argue was repeated by Ruth Bader Ginsburg in a brief for the Supreme Court, not knowing that it originated with the Marquis de Sade. When feminists tell you that abortion is central to their message, I say believe them. I'm sorry we're out of time, John. Thank you for being on. We're going to have you on later this week because there's so much more I want to cover with you. But that will do it for today, folks. Thank you for tuning in. Please go to Ericmetakis.com, send up for the newsletter and check out the Socrates and the city website. Today's show is brought to you by Grace Precious Metals. In an industry that can be confusing, Grace believes in doing business differently with Christian. values, transparent pricing, and a focus on straightforward gold and silver bullion, not high markup collectible coins. They even publish their spreads directly on their website so you can see the numbers before speaking with anyone. Learn whether physical precious metals may fit your financial

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