The Eric Metaxas Show - #197 - Jonathan Cahn

Episode Date: September 8, 2026

Today On The Eric Metaxas Show, Jonathan Cahn joins Eric to tell his account of the viral midair incident involving a passenger who was eventually restrained with duct tape and forced the flight to make an emergency landing.Cahn says the two men had been having a friendly conversation for hours before the subject turned to Jesus and experiences Cahn believes demonstrate God’s reality. According to Cahn, the passenger’s demeanor then changed dramatically, eventually escalating into profanity, threats, physical confrontation, and a struggle over Cahn’s laptop. Eric and Jonathan discuss why they believe the incident had a spiritual dimension, what they say news coverage missed, and the connection Cahn sees to his new book The Altar of Pergamum.⭐ ORDER NOW:Revolution: The Birth of the Greatest Nation in the History of the World📕: https://a.co/d/0ir3NlapTODAY'S SPONSORS:🪙 Grace Precious Metals: https://www.metaxasmetals.com/🛏️ MyPillow — Save BIG with code ERIC: https://www.mypillow.com/☀️ Honest, fast, and free Medicare plan guidance: https://askchapter.com/metaxas/0:00 The Plane Story5:56 Jonathan Cahn Joins8:26 How The Conversation With The Passenger Began12:19 The Moment Everything Changed14:37 The Passenger Begins Cursing Jesus20:44 Cahn Describes The Passenger’s Sudden Changes22:19 Why Cahn Says He Expected An Attack29:27 The Book Cover Triggers Another Escalation30:52 Threats, Assault, And The Fight Over His Laptop37:16 Duct Tape, Emergency Landing, And FBI Response39:58 Why Cahn Says The Media Missed The Real Story- - -LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/@ericmetaxas#EricMetaxas #TheEricMetaxasShow #News #PoliticsChapter and its affiliates are not connected with or endorsed by any government entity or the federal Medicare program. Chapter Advisory, LLC represents Medicare Advantage HMO, PPO, and PFFS organizations and stand alone prescription drug plans that have a Medicare contract. Enrollment depends on the plan’s contract renewal. While we have a database of every Medicare plan nationwide and can help you to search among all plans, we have contracts with many but not all plans. As a result, we do not offer every plan available in your area. Currently we represent 50 organizations which offer 18,160 products nationwide. We search and recommend all plans, even those we don’t directly offer. You can contact a licensed Chapter agent to find out the number of products available in your specific area. Please contact Medicare.gov, 1-800-Medicare, or your local State Health Insurance Program (SHIP) to get information on all of your options.

Folks, you've got to hear me out on this. I was born to tell this story. Trust me on this. Everywhere I've gone for years, I've seen that the mainstream media, the mainstream culture does not understand Christian faith, the things of God. If ever you needed proof of that,

what just happened on a plane a couple of days ago, this is the classic. So when I heard this, just yesterday, I went nuts. You heard about the guy duct taped on the plane, right? And you think, well, what happens? happen there. They don't explain. If you dig a little bit, they say, oh, it was like homophobic, racist comments. The guy had an outburst and he was, you know, that's not the story. The story involves a friend of mine, Jonathan Kahn, who was seated next to this passenger, who was having a conversation

with the passenger about Jesus. The guy flipped out and had a demonic manifestation. When you hear the story, I'm going to have Jonathan on this program in five minutes or three minutes. As soon as I'm done talking. Jonathan Con is going to come on the program. He was the reason this whole thing happened. The media does not cover this. They don't cover the fact that Jonathan was sharing Jesus with the guy very calmly. The guy was interested. They don't cover any of this. It's just at some point the guy explodes, loses it, starts cursing the name of Jesus publicly so that people in the plane are listening. That's what this was about. So of course, some, you know, black, gay flight attendant comes over and says,

excuse me, sir, you know, you need to stop whatever you're doing, you know, is screaming and whatever. And at this point, this demonic manifestation says something racial or homophobic or whatever. That's what the news goes with, that that's the cause of the whole thing. That's why they taped him down. They taped him down because he was having an absolutely demonic outburst. when you hear the story in a minute Jonathan Con will tell the story

you get the details because the details make you understand exactly how clearly this was a spiritual thing but the point is the reason I say I'm born to tell the story

is that the media does not explain this stuff they don't go there they just edit it out why did this guy explode and start cursing at everybody and start cursing the name of Jesus over and over

why did he do that why did he physically try to attack Jonathan Kahn, one of the most mild-mannered sweet men I've ever met, it was demonic. And when you hear the details from Jonathan in just a moment, you'll see. But again, the headline is that the mainstream media, they don't speak this language. They don't go there. They don't talk about what actually happened. So they have to put it in their stupid little narrative.

It was homophobic. That has almost nothing to do with anything. It's completely beside the point. they frame it that way. Yeah, it's weird because, um, you know, other parts of the media like entertainment, you know, they're, they're, they're happy to say, you know, we're all gods and there's gods inside you and you can go and do these sort of medicinal trips with ayahuasca in the jungle and meet these spiritual things. But the news side of the house, we'll acknowledge it. You have people like stinging, you know, popular songs. We're spirits in material worlds,

or in a mature world, but the news establishment. They cannot handle it. They can't. No, and they only have one narrative. It's the woke narrative. So, like, one percent of this whole thing was this, you know, flight attendant kind of trying to shush the guy.

But the whole thing is about Jonathan Kahn spending an hour having a conversation. Jonathan Kahn didn't want to have the conversation, but the guy who seemed friendly and Jonathan Kahn thought, well, I'll share my faith with him. And something in this guy triggers. He starts cursing the name of Jesus. But he gets violent. He stands up.

Jonathan will tell all this. I think we've got Jonathan. We'll get the details. But that's the headline, folks. That the spiritual realm is real. The demonic is real. And the mainstream media can't handle it. We need to force them to deal with this.

They don't want to deal with this. They just don't have the vocabulary. They don't have the ability to talk about this. So we need to help them to do that. Because this is the reality we're talking about. People across the world experience this reality, and the mainstream media pretends it simply doesn't exist. And when it shows itself, we'll pretend that it was, you know,

a racist, homophobic insult that got this guy duct taped to the seat. I think we also owe an apology to Kenneth Copeland. I don't know if you remember the viral gotcha journalist, but where, you know, he was a journalist was like, why are you flying out a jet? Why do you need a jet? And Kenneth thinks he says because they're demons fly. Koch.

Yeah, whatever. Do you remember that? Whatever, whatever. The whole thing is so nuts, but we're going to get Jonathan Kahn to tell the story in one minute. And I ask you, please to share this. Please share this. This is very important. This is the kind of story that it just never gets into the mainstream media.

This needs to get into the mainstream media. That's what we're dealing with. This is not some emotional breakdown. This was demonic. And when you hear the details, which you will only. now, you'll see that that's the logical, that's the obvious and logical answer to why this happened. And a guy gets violent, physically violent on a plane when he had been mild-mannered for two hours until he goes insane. Okay, so here comes Jonathan Con. Stay tuned.

Okay, folks, as I promised you a moment ago, I was not wearing a tie. I may have been wearing a different jacket, but I, I teed this up for you. And now we get to talk to the man himself, Jonathan Khan. Jonathan, I honestly can hardly believe that this happened to you.

I watched the whole video. I've got some questions for you, but first of all, I'm glad you're well. I still cannot believe that you, you sharing the gospel of Jesus was the reason for all of this insanity. that happened. And the media does not talk about it. That was my headline when I, I said, that's, that's the headline is you sharing the gospel lovingly, generously, kindly. That's what led to this demonic

manifestation, which led to the plane being grounded and this man being duct tape. It's just, you have to be pinching yourself at this point that this actually happened. Yeah. Yeah, what you just, said, that is totally it. You know, you know, the Bible says we were not against flesh and blood, but against powers and principalities. And I had just preached on that a few days before at the congregation. And it says in high places, heavenly places. Well, we were in the high places there. But yes, the articles, when I looked at that, I mean, first of all, you know, when you go through it, you're not thinking this is going to be world news. When you get home and then it starts true and going. And I'm looking, okay, man said racist slur. And yeah, I'm sure he did because the guy,

was in the state. He said, a million, but it's so besides the point that it's despicable. Yeah. It's despicable that they pretend that's the cause. Yep. I mean, I was so, I mean, that's why I got so angry. I thought to myself, the news is not doing their job. They're not even close to doing their job. They're not interested in telling the truth. The truth is that because you shared about Jesus, this, in this poor man, I hope people can find him and pray for him and get him deliverance because he's clearly, you know, he's got company. as they say, and he needs prayer. But the fact that they would say

that this was because of, that he was duct taped because of saying homophobic and racial slurs is insane. It is a lie. It's ridiculous. That's completely besides the point. So I just want to go down

and I want to kind of reprise your version of this. You get on a plane, okay? You get on a plane from Dallas flying home to Newark, I guess. Yep. Okay. Yeah. And, and you're in first class, so you got two seats and next to you is a 67 year old real estate businessman. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So it seems like a nice guy. You didn't want to talk to him. You're like me. You've got work to do. But if you feel the Holy Spirit saying, no, no, no, he really, he wants to hear about Jesus. You will put aside what you're doing. and have a conversation.

And according to your version of it, you graciously did that, to really, for this man's sake, for his soul's sake, you had a conversation with him. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I want it was that, you know, I mean, you want to be friendly and all that,

but I had so much to do. I had planned to do all this work, to do this work on the plane. And he's talking of this. And actually, I'm signing autographed tabs for the book, okay? Because I'm on, I just, the, the, the,

The new book, the altar of it, was released. So I'm on, I'm speaking all around the country. And I'm now coming home from that release week thing. You know it, you know, as you do it. So I'm signing these things. And he looks like when he says, oh, look at your audit. You know, you're so, you know, it's such a nice thing. I said, I have terrible having it.

But I said, oh, okay. So we start talking. Okay, you're an author. You know, and my wife loves to read. Great. You know, give a name. She'll read your book. Great, great.

We're talking and talking. And he's telling him that is he's a, he's a, We go through all this and at one point out, so I'm saying, Lord, I do want to get that done. But if you want me to speak to him, this is what you want for the flight. I'm going to do it. And I mean, it was so friendly for like two hours. So friendly, so laughing, all this stuff like that. And in fact, the flight attendants thought that we came together, that we knew each other.

We were so friendly. And then I said, Lord, but give me a chance to share your salvation with him. Give me a chance for that. And it opens. So I'm sharing with him. And I'm sharing, I'm sharing, I'm sharing, you know, I'm sharing, I'm saying, you know, about where I am. And I said, where you're at?

He said, well, I, you know, I knew these stuff. I grew up in this strict Christian thing. And I rejected it because of, they were hypocrites. And he did something and they judged him. I said, well, listen, it doesn't matter what, it's not about the hypocrites. You know, Jesus dealt with hypocrites. It's about Jesus and you. And he still loves you.

and he's still, his arms are open to you. He's going on that. And then, and then I start talking about, it's not religion. He keeps telling me, it's being born again. So I'm talking about being born again. So, so, and he seems to be, seems to be, you know, like it's still pleasant. It's been so friendly.

Born again, you have to this, this, this. Then he says, he says, well, how do you know God is real? And I said, well, I said, one, I was an atheist. I'm Jewish. I'm an atheist. And I read the prophecies of the Bible coming true. now and I read the prophecies and the scriptures about the Jewish Messiah and who was fulfilled by Jesus. I say, nobody could have done that. So I won't do that. And he says, yeah, but they were

talking about it in my life. And so this is what, this is what's going to trigger the whole news event, everything, which you will never hear in any article. You know, that I said, I said, God is at really real in this world. I said, I told them two things. One was how supernaturally God had an encounter when I was in the airport with a man that led to the Parmager becoming a book. It was supernatural, totally supernatural. The guy prophesied everyone. Then I told him one more, which was about God brought my wife, Renata,

from Brazil. As she was a teenager, Christians prayed over her and gave her a word at three different occasions, same word describing me across the world and this whole thing, you were getting married, and we did. Okay. At that moment, everything changes. This is where the world news story comes at this moment.

His voice changes. His face changes. It looks at me and it looks like, I said, what just happened? Looks like he's going to give me a secret. He says, he says, bull blank. So just to reprise,

you're having a long conversation. It's amicable. But now he's challenging you. and you respond with two miracle stories, two stories of things that happened to you, which you know and I know, like, if you ever need proof of God, like listen to this story.

This happened to me. So you're saying at that point, something changes. He leans over and says to you, BS, like. Yeah. It was so shocking because of everything had been. It just made us,

everything had been this way. And then I said, why? He says, I said, are you saying I made it up? What are you saying? Uh, a bull.

Are, okay, how do you explain it that? Okay. He says, he says, he says, he says,

he says, he says, go like yourself. Okay, so now, now this is, this is, I, when I heard you tell this version,

this is where I wanted to stop you because I thought, this is important, folks, right? You're sharing with this guy, out of the goodness of your heart, you're telling the stories. So he now, now it gets hostile. He says, you know, bull, blank, and then he says, go F yourself. Like,

you're on a plane. And suddenly you're saying he's so different that he's now hostile and he's cursing in your face. You, for two hours, you've been having a nice conversation. You're not forcing him to have the conversation. But he says, to you, go blank yourself. Like, wow, okay. And then what? Then, I mean, something I actually have never shared, but I'm sharing it because at one point, he calls over a flight attendant and says, is it, is that C-D open over there? She said, no. She said, why he reads this, you know, I want to be away from this person. I mean, it got so weird. I mean, it was so weird.

And she said, well, you can't. So weird. Then he's cursing me. Then he's cursing God. And he's, then he's cursing Jesus. Now, what do you mean if you don't mind? is he is he saying f jesus everything everything upsetity voic uh you know i mean i think it's important that people understand because it sounds so vague you're so suddenly yeah this man

instead of tuning you out yeah he is now saying f to god he's saying this vocally he's saying that's it's yes yes uh he's saying god is is you know is bolder you know jesus book and and and and And F, God, it's all, it's obscenities. It is cursing God. It is blasphemy. What do you say? Some stuff I would, some stuff I kind of try to block out of my ears, as he's saying it. He's saying, but blasphemy, everything.

People are starting to get, okay, what's going on here? What's going to? You know, the flight attendant comes over. Wait, wait, wait, wait. So he's saying this not just to you. He's saying it. He's so triggered that other people can hear this. Yes, he's saying it, but he's getting louder.

He's saying it to me. he's saying it sitting in his seat. He's saying it louder and he's saying it, you know, more and more to me and the whole playing. I mean, to that section, you know. But I mean, this is a big deal that he has now gone over the edge to where he's cursing God so loudly that people around you are now focused in on what is going on over there. Yes, yes.

It's going throughout the section. People all over are getting disturbed as what he's saying. And then he says, you know, pro fat vulgarisms, and we'll say, oh, that guy and is talking about, you know, a certainly body body part. It won't get into it. You know, and he starts doing that as well. And the flight attendant was coming over, say, you got to stop. And he said something to, I didn't hear it. The whole thing.

It mentions the body part, but that's probably where they took the slur, the racist thing. They made that the story. But that was just a, you know what, you know what, Eric, it's kind of like a man goes into a house and murders the people there, goes out. and the media says, man, you know, leaves house a mess. That's kind of what it was, you know. But that's why I wanted to have you on. I said, this is so outrageous. When I hear the details and then I hear that they report, what they report,

you think, what are they doing? This is crazy. Yes. I mean, I've been on, I've travel on planes constantly. I mean, if anybody is being the kind of a disturbance that this guy, I mean, it's a frightening thing. You're on a plane. You're seven miles.

above the surface of the earth, you know, going 500 miles an hour and somebody decides to lose their minds, that's going to be disturbing. And when they're when they're cursing God and cursing and cursing and cursing and cursing and you think, what do we do now? Anyway, go ahead. Yeah. And, you know, talk about calling light, dark as dark as dark. I looked at some of the stories.

And one said, yeah, he was a racist, home of it. And they said, and he's talking about, he was talking about Jesus. He was talking about... Speaking about Jesus. Say, do you like these are Christian? You know, say these things against that. I said he wasn't speaking of Jesus. He was cursing Jesus.

He's against all that. You know, and that's cursing... But again, this is what's so fascinating. The mainstream media takes cursing the name of Jesus and they make it he was talking about Jesus. Yeah. Or saying Jesus. That's the main thing.

Saying Jesus. And he's talking about... hell or going to hell, which he said, you know, again, this is, I have no, the whole, I'm not talking about the God, I don't know what his state was, but the whole thing was, the whole thing was, the whole thing was demonic, he's talking about hell, yeah, but they're talking like he's a preacher, and he's, he's a racist, you know, racist Christian, you know, ethic. And so that wasn't the thing. And by the way, he was never duct taped because of those, of saying things. He would, that's not why. He was ducted because of me. And I'll get to that, you know, but that's exactly what

happened. So, so it's, it's a, it's a volatile thing. Everybody's disturbed. At one point, he's, he's He stands up and says to his, says to the people ahead of us. There's two women ahead of us. And he says, do you believe in Jesus? Do you believe in Jesus? And I'm kind of thinking about the school shootings. When they went to people said, do you believe in Jesus? And they killed the people who were demonic, you know, demonically thing.

And so he then, and again, the flight attendant comes another time. He says, turn to the window. Do not engage anybody. But there's nothing that's going to stop this guy out. He's just out of trouble. But here's the other thing. other than Eric, this not just it was like something came over him and he's a different person. But then it would lift.

And he would, he would say, he would say, oh, hey, we're going to, he'd be friendly to me again. Friendly like you, the best friend. And at one point he said, oh, I'm so, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. And then it came right back. Hey there, folks.

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cursing and cursing and draw attention to himself, that never happens. folks, that this is, this is not, you know, a carnival. This, that never happened. So for this guy to do that is, is humiliating for him. It's, but you're telling me he's doing it over and over and over and over. And then suddenly he flips. Yeah. And suddenly he's like, oh, I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. Yeah. And then he does it again. And then back. It happened at least. Wait, that happened. Lifted. He's fine.

He's sorry. I said, okay, okay. Then back again. And then it happened again. He was lifted. and one more time. And then it escalated. But that's exactly what happened.

Exactly what happened. And so I'm trying to calm the guy. You know, I'm saying, you're going to get in trouble. Like, he didn't care. You're going to go. And then, then, now here's the other thing. All right. Let me bring this in because it's important to the thing here.

I had a knowledge and knowing that something was going to happen, not just on the plane or before the plane, before the week. I had a knowing, I told people to pray, told me that I was going to be attacked. Okay. And the reason I could, I'm saying this and I told people and everybody at Beth Israel knows it is that, and then it happened there. I didn't expect it to happen, you know, 30,000 feet up. And I didn't expect to be a world news thing or a plane.

But the thing is, this is the thing here. I don't usually talk about it. You know, but every, virtually every time a book comes out, I do a book, I get attacked. You know, whether it's, whether it's, on the day of the release, I get suddenly, I get paralyzed, mysterious infection. I'm in the hospital, mysterious infection.

Another day of the release by appendix bursts. I'm in the hospital surgery. Nothing. Another day of flat. I mean, one, and everybody knows this about this room. So I just say, pray, right. And so now the altar of purgaments coming out. And so that week, it came out.

That was the release week. And it's either the day or the week, release week, came out on two. Tuesday. And just to note, I know we're going to go totally into it when we have the next one. But the thing is that the ultimate program in the sub-saddle is the mystery of the dark angel, which is Satan, and the future of the world. And what this is doing, you know, it's exposing and opening up the mystery, the strategy of the enemy against God and to the changing of world history, to affecting all of us, a total ex-posé, you know, and it's,

it's not like a dark thing. It's actually getting like a thriller. But the thing is that it's a gigantic thing, more than probably anything. And so we actually expected more would happen. We expect that I'd be attacked and more would have. I didn't know attack would come through an actual person who is under this influence or who is acting as a demonic, you know, in that way. But I came in, I came into this week, that. I was praying about it, came in. And so when it happened, when you, we said that moment when everything turned, that is the whole story was at that moment.

That's what I is like, okay, this is it. you know, but I'm trying to keep it calm. I'm trying to keep it from going there, you know. And the thing is, and the other thing was when I, when I set off to go on the plane, to start, I left on Monday, came back with him Thursday night to go on to, you know, release his Tuesday, I'm going on television, all this stuff. And I look at my computer that morning and my computer has a black bar right in the middle of it has never had in its life.

Something's wrong with the screen. Yeah, it's a black bar like this. it like this in the middle. Enough to to make every communication hard, make every, listen, I don't know about you, I do everything on my laptop, I write the books on the laptop, I do every, everything from me comes from the laptop. So that's here. I said, okay, I mean, all right, all right, all right. And, you know, this may be, you know, part of what's going to, this week is I'm going to have that little, that attack.

But it made it hard to function that week. That way, I did my cell phone. Then my cell phone started acting weird and shutting down every time I tried to call someone. So, so now I'm on the plane with him. And I open my, my computer. I'm trying to not engage him, but also not be, you know, not be not be, you know, like a wall. So I'm type, I'm looking at the thing. He sees that that bar. Now, hold on a second.

So you're telling me that all this has happened. Yes. This lunacy has happened. But now there's a moment of calm and you think we can ride this out. So you go back. I'm trying to ride it out because he switches back. You know, he switches back and forth. So when he's switching back, I'm

trying, I'm trying to keep it that way. And he said, oh, we're going to New Jersey. spring thing on you know and he so he'd see if he changes his tune he's no longer cursing and standing and being loud for a moment for a moment yes for a little moment yeah and so and he goes he looks at my computer with a bar he so look at that and he taps it like two or three times and that he hits excuse me he hits yeah but your computer screen but yeah he does but not hard he goes like like that but he's reaching into your space and he's hitting your computer screen yeah i said stop it yeah but the black as he does it the black thing darkness takes over now half of the street okay so he made it

much worse he said think now it's half the street it just went across okay we don't know what his intention was i'm not saying but we know that he made it worse no i don't know his intentions i know the devil's intention i know he's correct it must stop us with the word so so then then okay it's going back and forth faith you know does this thing he sits up then he turns out he turns to me. I'm kind of facing forward. It is before I even could re-happened before. He puts his hands around my neck as if choking me. He puts his hands around your neck.

So where is the big brave steward, the flight attendant to help? Is he doing his nails? They didn't, you know, again, I think there was a few female attenders. There was one short man attendant. He, you know, he had come over at different times, you know, tried, but I felt that they just felt that they didn't, they were overpowered. They didn't know what to do. That's what I felt. Okay, so excuse me.

Now he has his hands around your neck. And I know you, and this is amazing that you're telling me this. He has his hands around your neck. Go ahead. And he, you know, now, but he's laughing. You know, he's laughing like it's a joke. You know, it's not like he's putting pressure where I'm not, he's going. he's going like this like he's like he's

like, dude, dude. And he's laughing and saying what's just, what's going on? Like he's laughing showing me something, but it was obviously a hospital thing, but he may it came off like he was saying he was not. I'm just joking, I'm showing you stuff. That's what, that's what he did it. And so by way, at that moment,

there's two two men in front of, two rows in front of me is a retired policeman and his assistant. And I think his assistant turns around and sees that. Seas that. sees that you know but I don't I think those two men wanted to do something throughout but they didn't they didn't know when or how they're not you know so their way they're kind of like on edge but it was

like he's doing it like he's laughing and he's a joke but I realize you know the devil one we want to do exactly that but so but it was almost like a sign or warning of where things were going okay so the two guys right ahead of you the the because I can see myself in this position. I'm on planes all the time that at some point you're like, okay, I'm going to have to jump in. I'm going to jump in. I'm going to do something. I'm not going to let this just happen. If I'm a responsible adult male, I have a role to play here. So do these guys get up at this point? No. No, I think you could tell they were agitated. You could tell that they were like, should we this? There's this a thing. And they didn't, they didn't. I mean, you know,

and again, I don't know what he saw. And I know if you saw that, then, you know, that ended. You put it back and then the guy's acting like he's friendly. You know, so, okay. So then, then, and the media will never say, the thing that triggered it, now the first thing I triggered it is exactly is we sharing about God's love and God's power, reality, or life. That was the first trigger. The second thing that took things to a, like a violent, you know, took it where,

is there, this is what happened? On the edge of my screen, because much of it is, take it up, but you could still see it. Was the cover of the book? Okay, so on your computer screen, he sees the cover of your new book. Yes, yes. And the book, and I'm not, listen, normally, Eric, I would lift this up if we're talking and we're saying where to get, but, but I, but this is for the sake of this to see that.

This is, you know, so the cover looks is this. This is, again, you know, the dark angel is the enemy and this is a thing of that. Okay, so it has that look. he starts screaming and he's screaming like it's not him. Like, like he says, wait, he said, he said, what did you, like, what did you do? Like, what did you do? Like, like, as if I should not have written that book. That's what it was.

Screaming, what did you do? That's what happened at that moment. Right. Now, and he doesn't know what the book's about. I mean, he, except even. And so then it's moving to a whole other level. The next thing that happens that I can, I mean,

I think he, I'm looking ahead and he says, he says, I'm going to punch your, your blanken Jewish face in. He said, I'm going to punch your effing Jewish face in. He now says this to you.

Yes. Okay. So the headline, ladies and gentlemen should be anti-Semitic slurs. Get a guy taped, not raised his own. But he actually says he threatens violence to you and uses an anti-Semitic epithet. Okay, keep going. We don't have that much time.

Keep going. Yes. Yes. So at that point, I'm signaling the flight crew. And I'm saying, I'm like this. I'm like like this there. Yeah, like get over here, guys. Yeah, we got a situation, you know.

And he sort of sore. I'm trying to keep, you know, he's saying, boy, what are you going to do? What do you get you? And I'm, I'm simmer. And they're like, I don't know if there was a food card in front of them or the car that comes out. And the guy is looking at me, you know, and he's like, I don't know what he was trying to

start. Or like, we're working on or we're going to, or he couldn't get out. I don't know. I don't, I don't, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But they, they weren't. I'm going on like that.

They didn't happen. Then, uh, the guy starts hitting me. The guy starts hitting you. Yeah. But it wasn't like hitting like you're in a fight and you're going to be hurry. It was like you're trying to provoke and start a fight. He's going like, right, like he's. So he's hitting you, he's hitting you like he's trying to provoke you.

He's actually hitting you. You're sitting in the seat and he's hitting you. It's not hard, but it's like somebody in a bar or something there, you know. And I think some part went toward my face. But he's all right. Yeah, yeah. So he's literally doing that. And at one point, he was like, oh, like, what's you like?

Like you're going to, something of that. And so, yeah. And so, and I'm not going to be, I'm trying not to be drawn in. I'm trying to also keep, at one point, he had, you know, I, I knew I was in, you know, I was in danger, you know, it was, I knew anything could happen. At one point he had glasses there and I want, and I wanted to, you know, the guy came and I got the glasses to remove them, you know, for this thing. I knew I was in danger.

And I knew, I knew this was going towards violence. Yeah. I knew that. And so he's doing, he's doing that. and I'm, you know, not engaging. I'm saying, at that point, I'm saying, we need help. We need help over here.

Help over here. You know, that's what's happening. And, but I don't, you know, and so now it goes to the next part. This is, and because of what I told you before, and again, we'll never be in the media. This is the real story. Because what I told you at the very beginning of this week

when I saw my laptop, you know, strange thing. Yeah. And then, and then, That guy had nothing to do with that. But then the guy is on the plane and he does that thing. And then the thing spreads. You know, already the time I say, okay, listen, of course the enemy hates our laptops. He hates your work.

He hates anything you use to make the books, you know, with that. And so, but at that point, it comes into my head. And not because of any situation, but because it's only spiritual. It's a, he is going to, the enemy is going to try to destroy your computer, your laptop, and using this guy. that's what I get. So I go to my laptop. I bring the cover down.

So he put it, put it here, I take it there. I take my cell phone that is there. I said, I'm just getting out of here. I'm getting out of the seat. So I do that and I'm about, I'm kind of rising to the,

when he sees me going with my laptop, he lunges across at me, he lunges me, comes to me and lunges at the laptop. And so now, this is so off the charts. Why in the world would he lunge after your laptop? I mean, the way this is escalated is so insane. And the media has not covered this, which is even more insane.

Keep going. Keep going. Yeah, yeah. And it's a great question because when I think about there's certain things about this, you know, because, you know, listen, could a guy can drink, a guy can have mental problems. But the enemy can use that, number one. And secondly, secondly, you know, there's several things. and that was one of them. Number one, I knew he was going to do that,

and that's why I closed it. And number two, that he would do that. Why is he focused on my lap? Right. The enemy would, not him, not a person. You matter of right. So he grabs with all his might. He's lunged across.

This is, you know, there's only two seats. So he's on the window. I'm at the aisle, but he lunges and he grabs it, and he's trying to rest it out of my hands. And I know, I mean, violent. He's violent. It's violent. The whole thing is violent.

He's trying to rest it and with all right and destroy it. And so I am with all my mind holding on to it. And I know that if he gets it, it's destroyed. I'm holding it. So we are wrestling now on that play. I'll into there. We're wrestling. Everybody is stunned.

You know, everybody is, everybody is frozen. We are wrestling. And at that, and the pilot is radioing down to make an emergency landing. And as back of mind, by the way, you know, I said, And I'm just like, you know, what I just, you know, earlier that week was the big Chris script was we wrestle not against special white, but in the heavily. So, so we're wrestling. And finally I rested away from him. And at that point now, you know, a month before I had injured my arm. It was like, it was like felt like it was dislocated, trying to play racquetball

with my, my sons. Okay. And so, so it was for about a month. But that day, I remember absolutely that day, I said, I don't, I don't feel any pain. today for the first time. Now, he, of course, didn't know that. But he goes for, I rest out, but then he goes for my left arm that was, and pulls it. He pulls your arm.

Yes. And my arm gets re-injured again. It's like two to right now. It's like as if it was dislocated. Okay, the news has covered none of this. That's right. Physical assault. And again, you have to ask the question, why is he doing this? You are the most mild-mannered

sweet man. And this you haven't escalated anything. He is just now attacking you for nothing. Yeah, because, I mean, we know, because there is something else involved, this is not, wasn't natural, it was spiritual. And again, there's a big war we are in, and this is what it was over.

This guy didn't know what he was doing. We've, we've just got a couple of minutes left. So what else happened before we have to go? Go ahead. Okay. So, so I'm in the aisle. And at that point, the two men who were watching, who were, you know, agitated,

they get up, the retired people, policeman and his associate come over. That's because they realize it's now it's out of control, violets. They come back. They come to the guy. They come to where I was, because I was out of the sea, so they're, they come and they're over him and he starts getting violent with them. So they're trying to restrain them. That the flight attendants give, give the guy, give the guys duct tape. They duct tape him to the seat. And the, uh, then what I was told that I didn't, I didn't see this, so I'm just going by what, is that he was trying to bite them, you know, and at one point, they tried to give him a little bit more room, kind of giving merciful, and, and the guy said he

attacked them again. So, so the guy, you know, and so you see the pictures, this is what pictures that made the news. It's like, it's, it looks like someone who had a seizure, and now they're, they're, they're, they're out because of that, you know, um, and so then, so the plane is making an emergency landing. There's some, there, people don't know what happens. but they know there was violence. Most people know there were violence. There's some who still don't know. Lands in emergency landing in Baltimore. The FBI come on board and the officials come on board. They take the guy away, I believe, you know, off the plane. They put him in jail for the night and then release him. He has charges against him. The FBI comes over to me because they told, because one of the guys told me, I told, one of the guys who helped is a third guy.

who helped law enforcement guy said, you know, here's guys. So they got my contacts and all that stuff. And then I went back to my C, you know, and one of these kind of law guys comes back. And says, he says, he says, God was testing you. He says, God was testing you. I said, you're a believer. I said, yeah, yeah.

I said, there was a lot more to this, you know, that happened. And so, and so we, you know, I call my wife, you know, call my wife, you know, from there. And I don't want to, I don't want to disturb her. So, you know, so I don't, so I say, I'm stuck in Baltimore. Why? There's some guy who kind of went crazy. It's just some guy.

And she says, she says to be, what triggered it? I said, I said, I'm thinking, what do I do? I said, Satan did. He said, okay. Yeah. Next morning, I told it. But we got, got home, you know, they relocated, got to my house at three of the morning. That next day, it becomes worse.

news. And I wasn't going to say much of the real story. Then I'm hearing these reports, like you're here. The report says, I wasn't going to say much. But then, first of all, I was, I'm on that video that they were showing. I'm on that. You know, they're showing a video after when they're, when they're abducted it, I'm on the video. And so people say, what's John Lincoln doing on that play? And then the Lord led me know, speak the truth, you know, and use this for the God. Use it for good. Of course you got to speak the two. The plane was grounded because you shared Jesus with a man and he went insane and is manifesting demons. I mean, as you described this, this is not a normal story. This is insane. Yeah. You're not provoking him. He's getting more and more

violent. We're going to have to go in a minute. Jonathan, I feel bad for this man. I do too. Anybody that has demonic stuff going on, who knows what his upbringing was. So I want to say people should pray for him, folks, if you're praying person, because who knows what the heck he's thinking today all these days later? Yeah. I mean, it's just unfathomable. Yeah, I, I, you know, people say, oh, I have nothing against. I want the best for him. They say, oh, are you going to pray? No, I want the best for this guy. I want him to come to the Lord. He rejected the Lord. He knew, he may have, I don't know how much you do, but he rejected that, you know, when you're opening the door, hope maybe this will be a thing that brings him back. And so we should pray for him, you know,

And I believe, and you know, the other thing is, listen. I was on the plane. And I'm thanking God, first of all, protecting me. But also, listen to that I'm honored that the enemy should have, should be so mad at me. That's a good sign. We want the enemy not to be happy. I was going to say, if ever anybody needed to know whether you and your books are valuable, this story tells the story.

I'm almost, I'm almost jealous that I was an attack on a plane when I wrote my book on the American Revolution. I'm slightly jealous. I have to repent to that. Don't be. I said, Lord, I'm honored, but I don't need more of that. dishonor. You know I'm joking, Jonathan.

Really, I'm thanking God on the plane. I'm saying, wow, Lord, look, I'm real. I'm almost laughing. And also that tells me, listen, if the enemy is going crazy and you're in God's will, there's something big and something good coming. And so I know. And so right now he's using this, I mean, using this to get the, get the ultra-pergerman out.

And the thing is, the older of purgerman, what happened on the plane was a manifestation of what the older person in the entire world. And so if the, so the one. I've never done it. I never would speak like this about any book, but one plug would be, let's say, if you weren't going to get,

you know, if you need another reason, it's, this is the, this is the book that brought a airplane down. So, so the enemy does not want you to read it. You're not making this up.

And if anybody was mild-mannered and tried to diffuse a situation, that's you. We're out of time, but I just, I want to have you on next week to talk about the book. We'll open up why this happened.

The book that grounded a plane, The book that made Jonathan Kahn go to Baltimore when he wanted to go home to Jersey. Unbelievable. I'm sure that this and other stuff is going to come out and there's going to be more information on this. But I'm going to have you back next week to talk about the book, to do a follow-up actually on this conversation, because I'm sure more information is going to come out. And we'll open up. Yeah.

This, I mean, to me, Jonathan, the headline is that we live in a spiritual world. Yeah. God is real, the devil is real, and the mainstream media cannot bear it. They cannot report on it. I mean, the fact that they reported what they did after the story you just told me is so off the charts. I mean, I'm embarrassed for the media. I'm absolutely embarrassed for the media. Yeah.

Pray it goes out because when I'm talking, I just inside addition. I'm saying the thing and I'm praying that this will get out because the truth that people will know that. That's what I'm praying for. And God will use it for good, but you're absolutely right. That's the first thing that hit me. I said, what? What am I reading? God is, God is going to use this. God is going to use this. God is already using this. This is a big deal. And not just for your book, but before generally speaking about the things of God, the things of the spirit. As I say, we're out of time. The title of the book is the altar of Pergammon. The Mystery of the Durgammon. The The Dark Angel and the future of the world, it's everywhere, Amazon, everywhere, everywhere.

But this is the book that did it. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Jonathan, God bless you. We'll talk to you next week. All right. Thank you.

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