The Eric Metaxas Show - #202 - Jonathan Cahn

Episode Date: September 16, 2026

Today On The Eric Metaxas Show, Jonathan Cahn joins Eric to tell his account of the viral midair incident involving a passenger who was eventually restrained with duct tape and forced the flight to make an emergency landing.Cahn says the two men had been having a friendly conversation for hours before the subject turned to Jesus and experiences Cahn believes demonstrate God’s reality. According to Cahn, the passenger’s demeanor then changed dramatically, eventually escalating into profanity, threats, physical confrontation, and a struggle over Cahn’s laptop. Eric and Jonathan discuss why they believe the incident had a spiritual dimension, what they say news coverage missed, and the connection Cahn sees to his new book The Altar of Pergamum.⭐ ORDER NOW:Revolution: The Birth of the Greatest Nation in the History of the World📕: https://a.co/d/0ir3NlapTODAY'S SPONSORS:🪙 Grace Precious Metals: https://www.metaxasmetals.com/🛏️ MyPillow — Save BIG with code ERIC: https://www.mypillow.com/☀️ Honest, fast, and free Medicare plan guidance: https://askchapter.com/metaxas/0:00 The Plane Story5:56 Jonathan Cahn Joins8:26 How The Conversation With The Passenger Began12:19 The Moment Everything Changed14:37 The Passenger Begins Cursing Jesus20:44 Cahn Describes The Passenger’s Sudden Changes22:19 Why Cahn Says He Expected An Attack29:27 The Book Cover Triggers Another Escalation30:52 Threats, Assault, And The Fight Over His Laptop37:16 Duct Tape, Emergency Landing, And FBI Response39:58 Why Cahn Says The Media Missed The Real Story- -LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE:    / @ericmetaxas  #EricMetaxas #TheEricMetaxasShow #News #PoliticsChapter and its affiliates are not connected with or endorsed by any government entity or the federal Medicare program. Chapter Advisory, LLC represents Medicare Advantage HMO, PPO, and PFFS organizations and stand alone prescription drug plans that have a Medicare contract. Enrollment depends on the plan’s contract renewal. While we have a database of every Medicare plan nationwide and can help you to search among all plans, we have contracts with many but not all plans. As a result, we do not offer every plan available in your area. Currently we represent 50 organizations which offer 18,160 products nationwide. We search and recommend all plans, even those we don’t directly offer. You can contact a licensed Chapter agent to find out the number of products available in your specific area. Please contact Medicare.gov, 1-800-Medicare, or your local State Health Insurance Program (SHIP) to get information on all of your options.

Hey there, folks. Welcome to the program. Many of you have been screaming at me. Eric, want to you have Jonathan Kahn on more often? And the answer is he's just got nothing to say. But you know what? In spite of that, we're going to have him on right now. Jonathan Kahn, welcome back. Our conversation the other day was pretty viral. And your story of being on the airplane and the man freaking out and having to be ducted. It just, it's something you can't make up. And the whole cause of, of all of it was your book, your new book called The Altar of Pergamon. We didn't have time the other day to get into the book itself.

And I wanted today to talk about, this is your brand new book, The Altar of Pergamon. Where should we start? Yeah, well, it's amazing. I've never, you know, I won't have talked when a book comes out, but never like this. And we really knew it was coming because the book is opening up, is really exposing the dark side. And it is the sub-tidal is the mystery of the dark angel and the future of the world. And it's a gigantic mystery.

It actually, it has altered the history of the world more than once up to right now. It has, it lies behind everything from the rise of Hitler to the world wars, to the rise of Marxism, communism, the Cold War, a new world order. even has a link to the internet, even converges with biblical prophecy, even is linked to a modern American leader who's still around. And it has literally affected everyone who is watching right now. I mean, that's how big it is. And I believe that is how much the enemy does not want to be exposed. You know, and that's why to the point where he did that madness on that plane,

which may, and to making world news. So I, no doubt what happened because we knew it was going to happen. You mentioned a weekly, uh, You referenced a world leader who's alive today. Can you say the name and then we'll continue? You want to, can we leave, okay, if you want me to say the name, I do. Okay, we'll lead, and it'll, I'll give the details of it as we, as we get there. But his name is, his name is Obama.

His name is Barack Obama. Okay, enough said. So where do we start? Yeah. Because you've just dumped a lot of stuff here. Yeah. You want to start with, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, You want to describe the so-called the altar of Pergamon, the so-called throne of Satan?

Do you want to give us some background on this? Because that's kind of framing this narrative that you're dealing with. Yeah, yeah. In Revelation, the Lord says to those in Pergamon, he says, Pergamon, where the throne of Satan is. And that's a real big thing for the Bible to say it's identifying a place on earth, throne of Satan. Now, Pergamon was a pagan place center of pagan worship.

and the high place of Pergamon, center of the worship, was the great altar, they called it. And the great altar is the largest altar of the Greeks ever built on earth and built to the gods, built to the king of the gods, Zeus, and of course Satanic behind it. And it becomes the embodiment of Pergamon, which again is called the throne of Satan. So there's this link with this object, and this object is going to actually bring Pergamon to the world or throne of Satan to the world. So what happens is when the gospel comes to this land, to the Roman Empire, they abandon these altars. And the altar of Pergamon or throne of Satan goes into the dust or into the ruins. Where, excuse me, where is Pergamon in modern day, in the modern world? Where is the city of Pergamon?

Is Asia Minor, which then was the Ottoman Empire and now is Turkey. And so this is on the, this is where the seven churches are. This is the west coast of Asia Minor. So what happens is that, you know, it's lying, it's under the dust. It's in ruins for most of 2,000 years. But so, but what would happen if this was uncovered? Now, it sounds like a movie here, but like in Indiana Jones, like that you're taking, what if the throne of Satan or this object embodying it is returning to the world?

Well, someone does do that. What happens is in 1871, a guy comes from Europe, sees the ruins, doesn't know what it is, takes two stones or tablets from the altar, sends it back to his homeland, and from that moment, his homeland is going to be joined to the altar or the throne of Satan. So what's the land that's going to be linked to this?

The land is Germany. Okay, now I just want to say to the audience, I have been to the Berlin Museum where they have reconstructed this altar of Pergamon. So the Germans discovered it in the 1870s. and they pulled it apart, shipped it to Berlin, and reconstructed it in Berlin, where it stands today. I have seen it.

I have been there. So when would this originally have been built, Jonathan? In other words, we're talking seven centuries BC. When is this roughly? Oh, this is actually, it's actually, there's a mystery here that's actually linked to the events of Hanukkah, which is a whole other thing. But so it was around that time.

And with Hanukkah, you have a guy who is really a shadow of the Antiochrist who desecrates the temple, Antiochus, a pivit, and he tries to wipe out the faith of the Bible. And he gets defeated. And they take any, but he, what he set up on the temple mount as it was, they called it the abomination desolation. We know another one's coming was actually altar of Zeus. And his friend was, he had a friend Antiochus, which was the king of Pergamon. And at the same time, the king of Pergamon builds the great altar of Pergamon, which is also an altar of Zeus at Alder Pergammon. So it's actually linked to a war against God's people. So this is around 180, 160, 170 to 160 BC.

That's when it comes. Okay. Now, when it's on earth, it's 1871. And when it goes to Germany, at the same time, that's the, you know, Germany, people think it was around for ages. Germany came into the world as a nation in 1871, the same year. So throne of Satan comes into the world, Germany comes into the world. And actually that same time, another German, kind of digging up in the same place as the altar of Pergammon or the same region, digs up, it's high, he's looking for Troy,

digs up these almost 2,000 ancient signs, this version of a sign, the sign was the swastika. It becomes a big hit in Germany. And so this all comes at the same time. Have we not talked about my, the whole story of Heinrich Schliemann discovering Troy in the Misenian world is very central to my life. And so I wasn't expecting you to bring that up in our conversation. But all the same time. Visit BetMGM Casino and check out the newest exclusive. The Price is Right Fortune Pick.

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Keep going. So then Germany decides to dig up and excavate the altar. That's in 1878. They start to, so that's the year, throne of Satan coming back. And they, as you said, I mean, they put it on ships. They put it, it goes across in crates, goes to Berlin. At the same time, 1878 and the pieces arrive around there next year, at that same time, something else comes into the world.

You know, there's always been hatred of Jewish people. We know the devil hates the Jewish people. But the word, there's a new form of it, which we call anti-Semitism. That is also an ideology. It comes into the world, it's birthed in Germany, at the moment that the altar comes to Germany, same year, same thing, starts spreading throughout Germany. Also, you have an occult revival that comes when the altar comes to Germany, cult revival comes. In the 1880s, they decide to piece it together again. And this first is done kind of in secret. They're putting it together.

There's like thousands of pieces. So they put it together. It finally comes together in 1889. So this is the year that this reappears in the world. Same time, something else appears in the world. A baby is born. They give them the name, Adolfo. Hitler. Yes. Hitler comes into the world with the throne of Satan coming back and appearing. And his whole life is going to be linked to this. In fact, the rise of the Nazis are going to be linked to this.

The altar, what you referred to, which is the Pergammon Museum, they build it, you know, in the 1920s and they unveil it to the world in 1930 in October. The same time, the Nazis who had gotten 2% of the vote in the last election in 228, the altar is revealed in that same, like with days apart, the Nazi party is catapulted, becomes the number two party, then the number one party, and then Hitler takes over it. So Hitler is raiding from Berlin, which is the place now of Satan's Thrones.

This is the Third Reich. And he decides he wants to have a platform built where he could, a massive podium where he can speak to the masses in Nuremberg. And so when you see him, you know, kind of raging in Nuremberg, he's on this. What was it? His architect builds him a platform, which is a reproduction of the altar of Pergamon. Okay, this is huge. I think maybe I heard this once.

Maybe you said it and I forgot about it. That's huge, folks, that Hitler's architect, Albert Speer, was commissioned to recreate the altar of Pergamon. And I think we could say that I don't think Hitler knew consciously that he is allying himself with these demonic forces, but of course he was anyway. Yes. But keep going. Yeah.

Yeah. And so, and here's another thing, Eric, in this, the altar itself was a certain kind of altar. It was an altar of burnt offerings. And the ones who built it, the Greeks who built it, they didn't, of course, they didn't say burn offerings in Greek, the word for, well, I'm, you would probably know better than I. In Greek, the word for here, burnt is caustus and completely burned, holos.

It becomes the word the Holocaust. So this is the altar, this altar of purgment is an altar of the Holocaust. And so for the beginning, and so, and that's not an accident. You know, what happens? And here's another thing about it. So, and by the way, so when Hitler's standing on top of, you know, a reproduction of the throne of Satan, it's also on top of the altar of Holocaust. And he invokes the Holocaust from there, from Nuremberg. That's where the Nirmig laws begin, the Holocaust begins. And really, you know, the Holocaust actually appears in the Greek Bible, in the Septuagint.

The word Holocaust appears. about burnt offerings of the Lord. So it's really the Holocaust of the Nazis is a satanic inversion of something that was actually holy, but now to destroy the Jewish people, not to save them. And the thing is that there's a word in German and linked to a Polish word, which, you know, it says in the Bible that the altar of the burnt offering was in the holy place, in the holy place. Well, burn offering is Holocaust, and the word in German and Polish for a holy place, or is the word Auschwitz. Auschwitz means the holy place.

I've never heard that. Yeah. You have the birth. The word Auschwitz means the holy place. Yeah, it means the holy referring. Auschwitz is called the holy place. That's right. That's exactly what it is.

And you have the Holocaust. And by the way, you know, the first sacrifice that Israel ever offered up was, as a nation, was Passover. The Holocaust began. The very first killing was on Passover. It began on Passover. So you have all these things happening, and you have, by the way, I'm not even getting into it because there's so much, but this altar is linked to setting in motion World War I,

or linked to the setting of motion of World War I, World War II, and the enemies are destroyers. You have destruction, you know, you have the Holocaust, you have World War II, all linked to Berlin, where the third right, which is led by this at Berlin. Well, Hitler ends up, of course, killing himself. The devil's through with him. And he orders that his body would be burnt. It's going to become, in a sense, the last burnt offer, last Holocaust. And so now the altar has no owner or no master.

Hitler was the one over it. Only lasts for one day. The very next day, the altar is going to fall into the hands of another. And as it moves, history is going to change again. And the other power is now going to become the center of evil. What happens is Hitler is in one bunker, hidden in another bunker in Berlin is the Nazis are hiding the altar. And so the soldiers come in Berlin, they open up, they find the bunker, they open it up, behold the throne of Satan. They take it for it. Who are they? They are the soldiers of the Red Army.

The altar of Pergammon, throne of Satan passes from Nazi Germany to the Soviet Union. And at the same moment, all this time when we're watching, you know, many of us, we grew up in this time period, behind the communist world is the, they had the throne of Satan. They reach their pinnacle when they have it. When they get it, communism starts spreading from one nation, takes over Eastern Europe, takes over China. One third of the world is under this darkness when, as they possess the throne of Satan. And even communism from the very beginning, Marxism, which is being revived now, is linked to this throne,

this state, from the beginning. I mean, from the beginning is linked to, you know, communism didn't come from Russia. I mean, you know, people,

it came from Germany, the same land. And it was, it was resurrected in Germany. Karl Marx was going to be a forgotten man. But it's resurrected when the altar, same moment the altar comes to Germany,

there's a resurrection. They accidentally resurrect Marxism. And it then goes forth to the world. And what do you mean when the altar? I mean, the altar comes to Germany. Germany in the 1870s, it's reconstructed in the 1880s. I thought that it was put in the museum there at that time.

Are you saying that it was put in the museum? A few things. One is, one is, first of all, it didn't go in any museum for a good amount of time, long time, actually. They sometimes would, they sometimes would display pieces of it. Then they tried, then around the turn of the century, they tried to display in sections because they put it in, you know, to just start displaying it in,

in a pre-existent building. And that, it didn't work. And they closed it down. And then they started building what was going to become the Perkram and museum. They actually started building it in 1910. This is like 20, it took 20 years to build it because of the war. And then, as we said, the Nazi came out in 1930. So, but the other thing was what you asked about, I mean, with the 1870s, the altar,

the first pieces of the altar, as they said, come, it come when when this guy sends it back to Germany. And so this is the early 1870s. And when it comes the year the first pieces arrive, Germany decides to come against socialism. And they, because it's just beginning. And they have a trial. And in the trial, they decide to read from the book, from the communist manifesto.

That was pretty much banned in Germany. People weren't reading it. And by the way, when it came out, when Karl Marx, when it came out, nobody was reading it pretty much. And by the way, nothing about Karl Marx. And you may know this, Eric, but, You know, he knew about Jesus when he was growing up.

And he actually writes a devotion to Jesus when he's 17. But the next year, they send him to Berlin when he's 18. And he starts writing strange verses that are satanic. It's like he was taken over. He says, I will have revenge against the God who took this from me. I will exalt my throne to the highest. I'll bring the world to destruction. I mean, crazy satanic stuff.

And so, but he was going to be a forgotten man. But what happens when at the same time the altar comes to Germany, they had this trial, so they read into the record the communist manifesto. All of a sudden, a book that was pretty much banned makes headlines, spreads, and it revives Marxism. And Marx now reissues the manifesto, and it goes forth now really to the world to become the second largest. But the resurrection happens in Germany and happens with the time of the altar. And here's another thing with it. You know, I mentioned that, you know, Hitler comes into the world, you know, when they put the altar together. But there's another thing that happens.

When they put their shovels into Pergamon, the German excavators, at that same time, it's the autumn of, autumn of 1788, a child, another child comes into the world. And they give them the name Joseph Stalin. 1888. 1878. 1878. Okay, so Stalin is born in 1878. Correct. Hitler is born in 1889.

89. One is with the digging up, you know, the moment they put it, the other is with the moment it comes together. And by the way, both of them are going to end up becoming the possessors of the altar, you know. And when you say that, I also want to be clear that when the war ends, 1945, Berlin, of course, is divided up by the Allies and the Soviet Union gets what we think of as East Berlin, East Germany. and so suddenly now they are the owners of this is this is their territory yeah so just to clarify for for folks what you mean by that and not only that Eric yes I mean it's amazing if you follow what I'm seeing as I'm doing this I'm seeing you follow this object and you follow the whole world is really revolving around what happens here what happened and so it's not just that they so they

they come into it becomes these Berlin and they take the altar they put it on crates and they again this is the next, this like the second time in thousands of years, it's being moved. They move it to Russia. So the altar of Pergamon, Throne of Satan goes to Russia. Wait. If you don't mind, I don't want to get ahead of what you're saying, but when did it come back to Berlin? Great question.

I saw it not many years ago in the Pergamon Museum in Berlin. When did it get reassembled back in Berlin? Yes. It goes, it goes in 1958, the Soviet Union for political reasons, decides to move it back to East Berlin. And the thing is, but they're not giving up now. They're moving the location, but they're not giving up sovereignty over it. One is the communist world still owns it.

East Berlin is a puppet. And Soviet troops are in Berlin. You know, it's still over it. But the location moves. And when it moves, something happens. Because, you know, it's 90 to 8, it moves there. And all of a sudden, the Berlin becomes the major flashpoint of the Cold War. And what happens is the two powers come into a conflict over Berlin almost come to war.

Now, the enemy rumor is a destroyer. By the way, the word devil, you know this, many people don't know it, comes from Diabolis, which means the divider, not just the accuser the divider. Literally the world is now divided, you know, and from Berlin, okay, and the two powers, you know, are coming to this moment. And the Berlin crisis begins in November 1958. The altar of Pergamon returns to Berlin in November, 1958. And the crisis goes on until 1961, when Kennedy becomes president,

and Khrushchev of the Soviet Union demands again Berlin. He wants the allies out. Well, he builds the wall, because allies reviewed, builds the wall. And there comes another major conflict that almost brings the world to destruction. At Checkpoint Charlie in 1961, you have, for the first time ever, you got Soviet troops on one side of the wall, American troops on the other, tanks, and not right nearby the wall. You have the throat of Satan.

They almost come to destruction, and both sides are preparing for nuclear destruction. It passes, but now it's going to lead to the most dangerous moment in world history. And just one note about this, the only way, again, the Bible says the devil's a destroyer. The only way you can destroy the world, you have to have the power of it, and that is nuclear destruction. Well, where did that power come into the world? Most of us would say New Mexico, Manhattan Project, but it didn't. It came into the world at the throne of Satan. It came into the world in Berlin when two German scientists split the atom in 1938 under Adolf Hitler.

Hitler could have had the bomb, which would have been world destruction. But instead it goes to America. And basically because Hitler persecuted the Jews and the Jewish scientists went to America, Einstein and all the rest. So now we have this power of destruction. And interesting because the only way we use the word Holocaust today is either the about what Hitler did or when we say nuclear holocaust, you know. And so these are the two powers, and that's the altar of the Holocaust. So the most dangerous moment, and I don't think we either of us

could remember it or we're there. And that is that when the Cuban missile crisis, Soviet Union puts missiles in Cuba, American discovers it. Kennedy quarantines Cuba, puts American warships in the waters. Soviet warships are coming. The world is preparing for nuclear destruction, bomb shelters, you know, all the whole thing. Almost, almost happened by a hair, you know, we wouldn't have been doing this interview. And the thing is that, but the kind of, the secret, the real story is it wasn't, it didn't start with a, it wasn't about the missiles in Cuba. There were other missiles. When Khrushchev was by the Black Sea, his men point to the other side of the sea and said, America has placed missiles there, aiming at us over there. And Khrusha says, well, we're going to

put missiles at their doorstep. And so that's what, that's what caused them to do that. So what were the missiles that really began it, they were that almost brought the world to destruction. Where were they? They were all standing in the land of Pergamon. The missiles, the missiles that almost destroy the world, not just Turkey, they were in the kingdom of Pergamon. And by the way, the, the, you know, the god of the altar was Zeus or a Pergamon, Zeus or Jupiter, and the missiles bore Jupiter. They were the Jupiter missiles from Pergamon. Today's show is brought to you. by Grace precious metals. In an industry that can be confusing,

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I don't know there's going to be one more change of possession of the altar. And it's going to come in 1989 when the wall comes down. And so now the, I mean, the altar, you saw it. I've never seen it. I just came back from programming. I saw the, you know, the original, the plate, the foundation. But the thing is that the sovereignty changes. Now the communist, now there's nothing to all, it doesn't have it. The Soviet Union has nothing on the altar, and the communist world collapses, and the Soviet Union collapses as well. One of the things I noticed, Erica, as I'm studying this, is that whatever power loses

the altar collapses, whatever power gains the altar rises. Okay. And that continued from the Ottoman Empire, Nazi Germany, and, you know, Soviet Union, I mean, rises or comes to their fullness. So now, where's the altar? What does this mean? If the enemy cannot destroy the world by dividing it, he will seek to possess the world by bringing it as one,

or global, or new world order. And what happens, as soon as the altar, as soon as the altar changes possession for the last time, what happens is a whole movement of one-worldism, of new world order, the world becoming one, integration, all that, which we're kind of, which Christians are aware of. It actually emerges with end-time prophets,

and what is born right after the altar comes, changes, is a new entity, which is the European Union. That's born in the fall of the wall and the changing of possession. And right now, you can say, you know, Germany, in a sense, has it, but Germany is part of the European Union. The European Union is over the altar right now. And this is a power that, you know, represents nations giving up their sovereignty to become one, which really goes with biblical prophecy. The last power that had the altar of Pergamon

was that when it was functioning was Rome. The altar disappears. Rome disappears. The altar's back. The Bible speaks of some kind of Roman form revival, you know, of a one world thing. And this is that if so, they will have it. The entity that has more of Rome than any other is the European Union. And they have the throne of Satan.

The other thing is just a side note is that the other thing that's bringing the world together is the internet. When was the Idonet conceived? 1989, the same moment the wall comes down and the altar changes. It's a one-world thing. And by the way, you may know this. I don't know, you know Greek, but this is in the Hebrew, you know, every, you know, every letter is a number. And just, just, I'm just throwing this out that whenever you see WWW World Wide Web on your computer,

in Hebrew, it's VAB, VAB is the number six. That's six-sixth in the language of the Bible. Now, hold on a second. I'm amazed I've never heard that before because that sounds very interesting. Yeah. So the Hebrew, the first, the sixth letter of the Hebrew alphabet is Vov. Yes. And Vub is W.

V and W. V and W. Yeah. Yeah. And that's on every computer in the language of the Bible. You've got six in your computer. Okay. You're freaking me out, but please continue. That's why I'm here, Eric.

That's why we do this. That's my joy. I know I've done it when you're freaked out. The other thing is about the American president or the American leader. Okay, we identified. So I go into it. But here's the thing. Before Obama comes to rise, you know, his rise, he goes to the place of Satan's throne.

You might remember it. He goes to Berlin, makes a speech about calling the world to be as one. And he goes. Hold on. Hold on. I don't remember this. You say Obama at some point gives a speech in Berlin. I'm completely unfamiliar with this.

Go ahead. Okay, he was, I believe this is the sum, in the sorry, he was, he won the, you know, he was going to be nominated. He won the nomination, but he didn't receive it yet. He goes, he travels around the world. And then he goes to Berlin. And he goes in Berlin, they have a mass gathering. Okay. He's actually standing under an image of an, of an ancient pagan goddess, which is part of this mystery, but we won't have time to go into it. And he calls for the, he makes a speech calling the world to be as one, centering to follow the, mom. model of Berlin. And so then that right after that, he goes, he goes back to America, goes to the convention from the, he's never got a convention. He's standing to receive the nomination to become president. And behind him, there is a structure, a massive structure throughout, and everybody, and people are saying, what is that? Looks like Greek temple or something. What I'm not saying they knew what they were doing, but there's only one, I've only found one object that that is, that was a, a reproduction of the altar of Pergamon.

This is in Chicago, behind Barack Obama on the Democratic convention stage as he's receiving the nomination throne of Satan. And I'm not saying they knew it. It's the same thing. In the book, I'm detailing how many columns and the exact structure. No, I believe that that was, I mean, I don't know if I was talking to you about this a couple of years ago or to some other guest. But just the idea that that was created. and put up in Chicago, I mean, much less the fact that Obama speaks near it or in front of it, you know, it's certainly, it's certainly, it's at least creepy, but please, please continue.

Yeah, yeah. And, you know, I mean, you have the steps of the altar. He's standing kind of at the edge of the steps. And the thing is, one of the thing, you could say is in, it's a one-world thing, but it's also in the West. And what's happening in the West, this is from the 1990s, you're having, we've been watching a massive de-Christianization in Europe, and it's spilling to America. We're dealing with it in America. You know, and this is, you know, whoever gets the altar, what either they are or they become the center of, of an anti-Christian, you know, war, anti-Jewish, you know, anti-Israel.

You know, look what we're dealing out. We're having a revival of socialism. We're having anti-Israel, even touching our country, which has never been in the way it's happening now, anti-semenism. So this is all leading towards that. And the other thing I, you know, one thing about, One other thing about this mystery here is there is, and I'm just giving a taste, Eric, you know there's so much. But there's an ancient Greek myth.

I'm sure you know it. But there's a princess who there's one of the gods, wants the princess, turns himself into a bull. The princess says, oh, what a great bull. Gets on top of the bull. The bull abducts her and then reveals himself to be the god and seduces her. The princess's name is Europa. That is where we get the word Europe. Europe's named after a pagan myth.

And it's about a woman riding a beast, by the way. And it's also a woman who gets seduced by a false god. And who was the god? It was Zeus. So you have the altar of Zeus, throne of Satan is an altar of Zeus, moves to Europa, and all hell breaks loose. Hitler, she gets carried away by fascism, Nazism, by communism, by communism, ultimately the Antichrist.

If he is linked to this, then he will possess the throne of Satan as well. There may even be a link between the abomination desolation. I'm not saying it is, but not being dogmatic, but a link to that and this throne of Satan. So this is setting up where we are, and there's so much, Eric, I'm just giving it, but I want to, if it's okay, I want to bring it to a hope, a good thing with it. It is, it's, you know, the thing is that even the timing of this, here's what you know, the enemy, you know, seeks to stop the purpose of God. we know that God says very clearly, despite what some people say now, he's going to bring back Israel. He's going to bring back the Jewish people to the land and Israel's going to be a nation. We know that Jesus is coming not to, you know, not to New Jersey.

He's coming to Jerusalem when there's an Israel. And so when he comes, the enemy is defeated. So this is a threat to him. So what I notice, Eric, is that when the altar comes back into the world, it's linked to a certain timing. It's at the same time that God is bringing the Jewish people, beginning to bring the Jewish people, beginning to bring the Jewish people back to Israel. And it parallels it from the very, you know, very little beginning onward. And what happened?

Where's it go? Germany that, what does Hitler try to do? Destroy the Jews. If you stop the Jews, you know, this is Satan. You want to destroy the Jews. You want to stop the kingdom, destroy the Jews before they can come back. And the Soviet Union also tried to. So this is all part of this. And but the thing is this.

Listen, to remember, you know, this is showing how real this is. You know, the Bible says things, they're real. The Satan is real. He's not so. I mean, you know, what I, what I experienced on the plane, I expected it. I was shocked by it, but I also expected it. Satan is real. The word of God is real.

The out is more real. The word of God is real. The promise is real. And whatever, you know, Satan tries to do, we remember, as I say, to everybody, if you are with God, you are on the winning side, it may look like an underdog. It may look like everything is against you, but you are going to win if you keep fighting. And, you know, this altar, you know, it's a, it's a, it's a, you know, it's a, you may look like, It's a perversion of God's altar, which is the cross.

And that is more powerful than anything else. And so if you think about it, how much for thousands of years the enemy's been trying to destroy Israel? And he's used every great power, you know, Assyria, Babylon, Rome, and Hitler, Soviet Union. They're all gone. Israel's still there. You know, and the church is still here because we are on the winning side. And truly, greater is he who is in you than he was in the world or on the airport. plan. So we are the winning side. And so ultimately, it is, it is encouragement. There's so many

mysteries, but it's, I do it in a, it's done in a thriller, like a God version of the DaVinci Code. And my hope, Eric, is that people get it, not just for themselves, but also if there's anyone in their life who doesn't know the Lord, this is to draw the story will draw them in, and it leads to salvation. So that, that is my hope. And I think that's why the devil hits it. How do folks get the book? Because I've got some questions, but I want to, I want to be clear. And, and I think whenever I ask this question or whenever anybody asks me the question, I think, what a stupid question? Have you heard of Amazon? So is there any other place besides Amazon where people should find the book? Yeah, a book is everywhere. Well, anywhere online where you get where you see books. Also, Barnes and Noble.

Some Walmarts have it. It's on Walmart side. We're boycotting Barnes & Noble, but please continue. Okay, okay. Sorry, I didn't know. Okay. So, but it's really, it should be everywhere. It literally should be everywhere. And, you know, and it's, it's again, I'm giving a nutshell of a nutshell of a nutshell. So there's so many mysteries. But what about Home Depot? Can I get it at Home Depot? Home Depot? We'll work on it. But you, Eric, can you get a copy? I'll send you. This is the hardcover. You might have gotten in advance. This is the hardcover.

By the way, this is what freaked out the guy on the plane. When he saw this, he said, when he saw this, that's when it escalated. First, I was talking about God. And he went in exchange. Then when he saw this on my computer that he broke, it's, You know, it looks, you could see what it is. It looks like, it says the mystery of the dark angel under that, and that's this. That's when he started shouting and he said, he said, what did you do? What did you? What did you, as if I shouldn't have written the book?

And that's when it started getting violent. That's when it started. And then literally, that's what brought the plate, what brought everything happened is that when he was, he was fighting me over my lapop on which I wrote the book. That's what, that's why he got duct tape. So this is real, you know, this is real. And that's what it looks like. Yeah, no, this is. This is all. It is very real. It is very real. The demonic is real. The spiritual realm is real. God is real. And I do hope that, I mean, I think that, you know, God has given you a tremendous gift to tell these stories and to link these things together. And the point, ladies and gentlemen, is to draw people to God. That's the point. And God uses these things to do that. I remember books like the late

planet Earth, Hal Lindsay, 50 plus years ago, drew so many people, curious people, seekers to start thinking about this kind of stuff. I want to ask you, do you have any sense? I mean, now we know that, of course, as you've told us, the altar of Purgamon, it's in Berlin, which is in Germany, which is part of the European Union. Do you have any sense of what lies ahead? I mean, it's interesting. You brought up Barack Obama giving this speech.

I don't see it going well for Barack Obama. I feel like justice is coming to all of these people who subverted the will of the American people. We don't need to go into that now. I've talked about it enough. But I think justice is coming. We know that justice is ultimately coming in Jesus. We know that. But I even think now in President Trump's term, we are seeing justice coming.

A few things. One is in the big picture, Eric, I didn't, you know, before I'm sure you do this too, before I write a book, I said, Lord, you know, what's the next book? You know, what do you want me to write? You know, and I knew I was going to write this book for a long time. But it was this now. And I had no idea that at the same time, the altar has been kept from the public for like 10 years or so. Really?

Yeah. But they're going to, they're going to release it this coming year. it's going to be released to the world again. Now, when it happened in 1930, it didn't end well. You know, it doesn't have. And so could that, and listen, I'm not being dogmatic. You know, I'm always cautious. I'm not saying it has to be, this has to be.

However, I would keep my eyes on it because this has been a marker, you know, for all these things. So could there be some evil that, I mean, you know, you know, happens in the world. Could be. One of the things, you know, with America versus Europe, America has been so blessed because it has as much as it's followed God, as much as it's blessed Israel, as much, but those things are in danger right now. There's a war over America.

There's a, I mean, we are in it. There's, we know it. I think even people who aren't thinking of spiritual things, there's a war for America's future. It can go, if America turns from God and Israel and all these things, then it's in trouble, you know, and the thing is that while at the same time, if I look at the history, the pattern of the altar, what has that ultimately rises. You know, with Germany, it was from 1871 until 1945.

five. That's a good period. That's a long period of time. You know, and it took along to build it. So, you know, and then you have biblical prophecy. So I think, you know, we have, we have a great apostasy happening in the West. Europe is not just post-Christian now. It is largely anti-Christian now. Yeah. And it's also, you know, and so America is the one that's kind of the big fight over America. And that's, so that is, it depends which, what happens to the future. What happens? What happens after Trump? What happens where we go, you know, what happens? And the only thing can save us is revival, really, turn. to God. Oh, there's no doubt about that. There's no doubt about that. I should say it more often,

that our only hope in the world is revival, is people turning to Jesus. And I think that, you know, we are, I keep saying we're in the third existential crisis of our history in America, and I believe it's God's will that we prevail, that he's called America into being for his purposes. And I think that right now, we are in a great war. It's not a, you know, what they call a hot war, kinetic war, but we are in a war for the soul of the world, for the soul of the nation, for sure. We're just about out of time, Jonathan, in the next 60 seconds, tell us anything that we have missed. And folks, I hope you'll get a copy of the altar of Pergamon. But what else can we touch on? Yeah. Well, there's, there, there, hopefully,

I'll throw it a quick little mystery. The reason, you know, I said that, you know, Hitler almost got the power to destroy the world, and he wanted it, you know. But the mystery goes back to actually Leviticus, because in Leviticus, it says, you know, we're talking about the altar of the, you know, Holocaust, and in the Bible, that's the burnt offering. The ones who were in charge was actually the priests of the Jewish people. The Jewish people were called to be priests of God.

They're the ones who kindle the fire. And so what happens is because, again, Hitler, he drove out the Jewish people, you know, they killed them, but he drove out. If you look at those who gave America this power, thank God it was America, they were almost almost all of them were Jewish, you know, from Einstein, Oppenheimer, Teller, all that. They're the kindlers of the, they're the kindlers of this of the fire. So God, God is in this. And, you know, and God is the one who kept, you know, listen, God is, you know, we're talking about the throne of Satan. For the very beginning, in Isaiah, it begins, Lucifer says, I will lift up my throne above the stars.

I'll be like the most high. But the end case is God is on the throne. You know, God is on the throne. When I was, listen, when I was beat, when that was happening on the flight from hell, you know, I'm saying, you know, I wasn't, I was shocked by surprise. And I was actually, at the end of it,

I'm thanking God because I knew what it was about. And I knew that God was going to use it for good. So he has. I mean, he's open. I mean, I'm getting stuff from inside of edition. People are like, forget the word. I should get the word out to speak about this. So, so God is going to use everything for good.

And I would just say that we are on the way, again, winning side. And if you are dealing, if you're in God's will and all hell is breaking against, which we've all had, don't stand, don't give up, don't keep fighting. If you keep fighting, the devil cannot stop you if you don't stop. Keep fighting and God will turn it for good. And I mean, you know, no matter what Hitler did, you know, nevertheless, why did Hitler arise anyway? Why did the world go ahead? because God was about to bring Israel back.

You know, and so, of course, the devil is going to go crazy. But in the end, God wins. You know, they always came out. And that's what I see happening now that things are going crazy. The demonic realm manifestations, such as what happened to you on the plane and other things, other vile things. It is because Aslan is on the move, to quote C.S. Lewis, Aslan is on the move. Jonathan Kahn, thank you for being my guest. Thank you for the book.

Folks, the book is the altar of Pergamon, the altar of Pergamon. It is not available. I'm sorry to say at Home Depot, but almost everywhere else, the altar of Pergamon by Jonathan. Jonathan, thank you, my friend. Thanks for coming on today.

If they want to see the play-by-play, we put it up on the YouTube, the Jonathan Con YouTube, what actually happened on the flight. But Eric, say thank you. It's always a joy. You're doing awesome work. And if I can in any way freak you out,

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