The Eric Metaxas Show - #204 - Seth Gruber

Episode Date: September 18, 2026

Today On The Eric Metaxas Show, Seth Gruber joins Eric to discuss his new book and documentary The Last Stand: Christ Or Chaos? The War For The West.Seth argues that Western civilization is approaching a critical moment and points to a 1934 study he says found a recurring pattern linking sexual norms to the rise and decline of civilizations. He explains why he sees 1973 as a major turning point for America and why he believes Christians must recover a much more active understanding of their role in society.Eric and Seth also revisit the history of Athanasius, the early Church’s confrontation with infanticide, cultural Marxism, the family, Christian passivity, and Charlie Kirk’s role in helping launch the White Rose Resistance.⭐ ORDER NOW:Revolution: The Birth of the Greatest Nation in the History of the World📕: https://a.co/d/0ir3NlapTODAY'S SPONSORS:🪙 Grace Precious Metals: https://www.metaxasmetals.com/🛏️ MyPillow — Save BIG with code ERIC: https://www.mypillow.com/☀️ Honest, fast, and free Medicare plan guidance: https://askchapter.com/metaxas/0:00 Seth Gruber Joins1:12 Charlie Kirk And The Last Stand3:04 Why Seth Says The Church Forgot How To Fight Evil5:15 Christianity And The Foundations Of The West9:25 Are We In A “Last Stand” Moment?12:19 What The Early Church Did Differently13:21 Athanasius And The Council Of Nicaea15:07 The Roman Infanticide Walls18:21 “My Blood For Their Blood”22:21 Weimar Germany And Cultural Marxism30:39 The Study Of 86 Civilizations32:49 Why Seth Points To 197336:04 Is America Running Out Of Time?39:29 Why Seth Says Christians Must Stop Being Passive

Hey there folks. Today, a dear friend of mine, Seth Gruber, he is the head, the founder and CEO of the White Rose Resistance. If you know anything about Dietrich Bonhoeffer, you will have heard of that, but you probably know all about Seth. Speaking of which, this is your daily reminder to go to the website, Bonhofermovie.com in theaters across the country, only October 3rd, 4th. Very important. Very important. for movie.com. My guest, as I say, is Seth Gruber, who has a new book out. We've talked about it. It's called The Last Stand, Chrys or Chaos, the War for the West.

There's a new film out. Seth Gruber, welcome back to this program. Thank you, Eric. Good to be with you. Another film, another book, You're A Busy Man, but this is very, very important. Tell us again the full title of the book and the film. Yeah, it's called The Last Stand, Christ or Chaos, the War for the West. That's the name of the book.

The film's also called The Last Stand, and the whole project's dedicated to Charlie, who gave me the seed money to launch the White Rose Resistance and was scheduled to speak at the premiere in June and Denver. And so we're really in a last stand moment, and we need courageous Christians. And, of course, Charlie embodied that more than most Americans. Yeah, it's... It's bizarre every time his name comes up. I know.

He lives on. That's what's so fascinating because I've never had a dear friend struck down in the prime of his life. But it's so fascinating how he lives on and he will live on. And everything we do, we do even more passionately because of his murder, because of his martyrdom. So this is a film now. We've talked about the book. And the film, I always want to start with where can people see the film before we get into what it is. Yeah, thank you, brother. So any church or school can host a screening of the last stand film, but go into the last stand.

Dot film, super easy, the last stand dot film. You just press host a screening. You fill out a little thing. It kickstarts the whole process. So any church or school can host a screening for free in the 2026 year, probably going into 2027 as well, and we'll go to online streaming next year. So we have hundreds of churches and schools across the country already signing up, already have scheduled screenings. You can see if there's a screening near you at the website as well. And it features warriors like Jack Kibs and Alan Jackson and Ali Bestucky and Lucas Miles and many more. And it's really just about the glorious heritage, Eric, and history of Christian resistance against all the same evils that we're facing today.

Like it's really a remembrance that we're not asking the church to, be more political. We're asking the church to be more biblical. These issues that we're dealing with, Eric, with the mutilation of children, the murder of babies in the womb, 700,000 kids fleshed down the toilet. You know, ancient Romans were doing that? They would abort babies and they'd throw them down the sewage system. Like even the abortion pill filling our sewers with the blood of our children, even that's not new. We're just doing it in numbers that would have made the ancient Romans blush, Eric. The state intervening in the parent-child relationship drag, drag performances in the public square? That's not new, dude. They were doing that in ancient Rome, and it's

decadent final years, they were doing that in the Palais Royal. Okay, right before people were taken to the guillotine, you go visit a little Parisian cafe, get a little drunk, go upstairs where there were brothels full of children, and then just kind of putter around the Palais Royal and hope you didn't have your head chopped off. Like, there's not a single issue we're dealing with right now that's new. What's new is the flatulate, impotent, and forgetful church who has traded her birthright for a bowl of porridge and no longer wants to be a threat to evil. That's the only thing that's relatively new. The first 1900 years of church, church history is an indictment against the last 100. Remembrance and forgetfulness are the

measuring rods of faithfulness throughout the Bible. So like Simba and the Lion King, Eric, we got to remember who we are before we can save our land. Well, that's beautiful. I'm having a little trouble hearing you. Maybe we can increase Seth's volume. I got to tell you, I want everything you do, you know, I want my audience to know you and to go to this film. to screen this film in their churches, to be familiar with your work. It's very important. Let's get into some more of the details.

Why do you call it the last stand, Christ or chaos? In other words, you and I both share this view that we are in a moment that is, it's existential, that if we don't do the right thing, if the Christian church does not do the right thing and stand and do the right thing, we're at a precipice.

What led you to put it in this way? Yeah, thank you, Eric. I mean, listen, what do they call us, Eric, if we dare to come up against the spirit of Moloch or Ash Tarathe or weird sex cult worship? If you actually want to get involved politically, ooh, to protect babies and kids, they call us Christian nationalists, right?

You're a theocratic nationalist, Eric. You're trying to shove your Christianity down my throat. And it's like, well, actually, in a way, Eric, we are. That's right. If you want to murder babies, you want to sexualize kids, you want to sue people who use the wrong pronouns, that in a way, I won't speak for Eric, in a way, I am saying that we need to shove, quote, unquote, Christianity down the culture's throat because it was Christianity that got rid of that stuff. And without Christianity, you wouldn't have a culture in America that takes things for granted.

Like the sanctity of life, the equality of the sexes, the rule of law, like the care for the poor and the marginalized and the disenfranchised. Like that's why Tom Holland wrote that book called Dominion, the making of the Western mind. He's like an agnostic Brit. And the whole book, Eric, is him basically saying, you dumb-dums. Where did you think you got these ideas from? You think you got that from Cicero? You think you got that from the Greek and Roman philosophers? You idiots.

You got that from Christianity. and you've now breathed in the trace particles of Christianity so holy that you forgot that you're functioning off of a borrowed Christian moral imagination. That's why Elior Belloc, go ahead. Well, just some good news. Tom Holland has become a Christian. It's fascinating to me that you can't, I mean, what I always say, I mean, most of my books with my book is atheism dead.

But if you dare to face this, you're going to have a problem. problem because you're either going to start manifesting demons in rage against it or you're going to accept it because you really do have a choice. And I think what most people try to do, and I think what the culture tries to do, tries to pretend that we never need to make a choice. We can just keep existing. And that's why they don't. They don't really look at this. Because if you really look at it honestly, you're going to have a problem. And what you say in the book, what you say in the film, you're not making it up.

I know you. You're not making it up. You're talking about what is true. And I think this is why I want so many people to be exposed to the information you're putting out because very few people are putting it out. And again, sadly, many, many, many churches just, I really think that it's a horror. When I wrote my book letter to the American Church, I faced this. people, I thought, what am I saying?

Right. Tell me what I'm saying that is the problem. What was it that Charlie Kirk was saying that's the problem? What is it that you're saying that's the problem? Show me the problem. Have we missed something? Because if we've missed something, we'd correct it. But they don't want to, they just have to label it.

They're a Christian nationalist. Oh, you're a homophobe. Oh, you're right. They can't deal with the reality of it. That's right. And that's what we're talking about. And you and I share a passion for wanting churches to wake up. And I'll say this.

I say this often, but I'll say it again. Folks, if you are going to a church that is looking the other way that says, no, we don't want to screen a film like this by Seth Gruber, I want to put it on you. You need to get out of that church. You're part of the problem. You are allowing the Christian faith across. the country to be mostly dead because you're going along with this. You're tithing God's money

to a church that says, we just want to have a nice church. The reason we're in the mess that we're in, all the things that Seth talks about is because pastors are doing this, but because congregations are patronizing those churches. Right. Yeah, and we're on borrowed time, Eric. Neal-Ferguson said, my sense is that history is against any republic lasting 250 years. So this American Republic is in its last Republican phase. Like we're really in a last stand moment. That's not hyperbole. I don't just say that to rile people up into a frenzy. And I know we're probably going to go to a break. But I want to talk about with your listeners, too, about we have no breaks. Don't anticipate breaks that will not happen. Keep going. Okay, good. There we go. More time with Eric. But we were,

this really is a last stand moment. You know, I, uh, uh, Elar, Bellock, Chesterton's best friend, Eric said, he said, you know, the modern world imagines that it has outgrown religion. It has done nothing of the kind. It is merely forgotten it. And because it has forgotten it, it no longer understands itself. Men no longer realize that the entire framework of their moral judgments, their political habits, even their intellectual methods, were formed within a Christian society.

and cannot exist long outside of it. And when that framework breaks, they will not find themselves enlightened but bewildered, not free but enslaved, not rational but confused. And it was Belloc who first gave the West this concept of Western civilization as a cut flower civilization. It's been ripped out of the soil,

and now the petals are dying, and we're like, oh, it's such a beautiful flower. But it's like, the flower's dead, yo. You put it in a vase. It's actually dead already. You just have the remnants of beauty. In the last month, I read a book by, it was a Viennese author, Stefan Zweig. He wrote in the early decades of the 20th century.

And it's very similar. I was haunted as I was reading him because he was himself the beneficiary of this Christian civilization. He wasn't a Christian. He seemed to be a good man. but he was completely horrified, mortified at the rise of Nazism, at evil. He didn't seem to understand that what he had was the result of a biblical worldview that had filtered into a culture and that held that culture up for decades. At some point, it goes away and you have the Nazi death camps.

And that's really what you're describing now. So, you know, what happened then, that was the early part of the 20th century, this magical world of Vienna in the 1890s and the early. It just an extraordinary time, but they had no idea why it was beautiful. It was a cut flower society, just as you're describing. Well, what are some of the things that you go into in the book? There's so much information in the book and in the film. Give us some of these specifics. Yeah, thanks, Eric.

For people who do like to dive deeper than a 90-minute documentary, That's why I wrote the book. I put everything in the book that I wish I could put in the film, but then it would be three hours and no one would watch it. Yeah, so when I say that the first 1900 years of church history is an indictment against the last hundred, Eric, that's powerful. Like, we have forgotten so much about how the church used to fight evil and how the church in purging these perverted evils from society

laid the foundation for renewal and reformation in our day. And we take that for granted and we forget the cost at which our freedoms and liberties in America have actually come. One of the favorite stories that we tell in the book and the film, Eric, is about Athanasius. He was called the Pillar of the Church by Gregory of Nazianus. Athanasius, of course, is most notably remembered for his role in helping draft the Nicene Creed, the most simplest profession of the Christian faith. if he was at the Council of Nicaea when when Santa Claus slapped Arias in the face, full-blown Santa Claus heretic punching saint, just goes boom. And so Athanasius was right there front row for that, which is kind of a cool story.

What year are we talking about? I always get this confused. Is this like 4.30 or something? Council of Nicaa was 325. Okay. 325 AD. I was only off by 105 years. I don't know what I was thinking.

And so in early in the fourth century. Yeah. Actually, I should have, I should have, if you do the math, but it is a moment in the church that is now 17 centuries ago, but it is so important. So Athanasius was there. Yeah. And he had written a book at 15 years old, Eric, called On the Incarnation, 15 years old. Did you know this?

I didn't know this. so I researched for the book. Fifteen years old, he writes a book called On the Incarnation. It's still a staple of any solid classical Christian education today in the 21st century, Eric. Fifteen years old, writing about John 1, right, the word became fell. So the logos became flesh. When the spirit, the second member of the Trinity, who didn't have a body, he didn't have a body before Mary's womb, he took on flesh and blood that he might obey and suffer as a man. And God took on flesh. I mean, he's writing a book about this at 15 years old. And we're making our kids today. Read that as part of their classical.

Christian education. And so now, fast forward, he's an old man. Okay? It's like the, it's like the 369 or something like that. And he's a pastor in Alexandria, right? Now, Athanasius had been betrayed by multiple members of his congregation, exile from Alexandria, I think seven different times. And in Alexandria, Egypt, of course, according to oral tradition, Eric, he marches his church outside of Alexandria to the opposite side of the walls, outside of the city, to the old Roman infanticide walls. Okay. Now, St. Basil of Sessori, by the way,

the counselor, he did the same exact thing. These are your abortion mills of the ancient world, Eric. This is where you just go, you freaking leave an infant on a wall to be eaten by wild animals, okay, dude, or die from the weather. And it was legal. And it was expected. It was part of the culture. If you don't want a baby, you just get rid of it.

It's fourth trimester abortions, Eric. It's the Democrat Party today. Okay. And he marches his church to the local and fantaside walls. And guess what? He preaches the incarnation, Eric. That message that he's been saying since he was 15 years old and now he's a gray, wise and old man. He's remaining committed to the gospel and serving his church. And he preaches about how the logos became flesh. And this was so powerful, Eric, because this was the concept ancient Romans valued the most. This is profound when I learned this. Okay. So the thing that like Roman philosophers like cared the most about,

their view of personhood was attached to the logos. So they believe that the freeborn Roman male had logos, but they didn't think women, infants, toddlers, unborn babies or slaves had logos, meaning logic, rationality, speech, right? And so if you didn't have logos, you weren't a full person, you weren't protected in law. That was the ancient Roman world's view of personhood and human dignity.

It also sounds like the Islamic worldview or pretty close to it. Yeah, exactly. Anything that's not Christianity, right? Anything that can't ground human, human value actually in transcendent morals that actually come from the creator. And so he preaches his message and think how profound this was. I mean, think how profound, Eric. There's an end to the story, by the way, it's going to rip your face off.

It's incredible. But think how profound this was to... I can't wait. I'm excited. Go ahead. To the ancient Roman world when John wrote John Chapter 1. Think about that, right? It's like, I'm here to tell you about the Logos.

I'm heard about capital L. logos, baby. Now, y'all are little logos. Eric and I, we're little logos. We're made in the image of the big L. logos. So we have logic and rationality and speech because we're made in the image of the logos. So it wasn't, I think, therefore I am. No, no, no, no, no.

It's I am, therefore I think. Because I'm made in the image of the I am, who is himself Logos, he's the divine logic of the universe. Therefore, because I'm in the image of the logos, I think, as a result of being made in his image, okay? It's actually the other way around, despite what Cartesian dualism would tell you.

And so here's John chapter one. This is the logos. The concept that you value the most took the form of the thing that you value the least. That's what John is saying in John chapter one. You don't care about prenatal life. You don't care about babies. You don't care about children because you don't think they have the logos. So you don't think that they're persons, that they should be protected.

But I'm here to tell you that the creator of the universe himself calls himself the logos. And that logos, that moment, that incarnational mystery happened in a womb. Where Christ became a fetus. Okay, so this is what Athanasius is. He's preaching on the incarnation as a wise and old man now in front of the local abortion mill outside of Alexandria. And then he turns around, Eric, bro, he goes full Gideon, dude. He goes full Josiah in front of his entire church congregation, this intellectual giant, right? This philosopher preacher.

And now his people watch their pastor rip down the infanticide walls with his bare hands, brick, by brick. And he turns in front of his congregation with bloody bruised hands, Eric. And he says, my blood for their blood. Dude, he died two years later. This is, now what what fascinates me, and this is, again, why I treasure you, is that we all need to know these stories. We all need to know who Athanasius was.

I didn't know that story. That story is in your book? Yeah. in the film. And so, Eric, a year, like a year later, Emperor's Valentinian and Theodosius heard about this. This like, just like, what? This bold act of a pastor reclaiming Christendom ripping down the legal structures where babies are taken to be murdered? What? And they passed edicts for the first time in human history, giving baby's legal protection and insisting that parents take care of, protect, and not abuse,

not kill their children. The little logos in the womb were given legal protection. Seven years after that, Rome embraced the teachings of Christ, and the very ethos of the sanctity of life was weaved into the fabric of what we today call Western civilization. Of course, we used to call it Christendom before the lesbians who were tenured professors during the 70s didn't want to use the word christenedom, because it had the word Christ in it. Anyways, we used to call Western civilization christendom. This like, could it be... Hang on, hang on. You've often heard me talk about the golden triangle of freedom, that intersection of faith, virtue, and liberty. And for that triangle to hold, we need access to the truth. Unfortunately, the Medicare system often feels designed to obscure

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The term Western civilization came into the culture in the 70s. I mean, I'm not. No, no, not the concept, not the concept of the West. we used to just call the concept of Western civilization Christendom. Yeah. It's the civilization created after the fall of Rome and the conversion of the ancient Roman world,

functionally the entire known world at that time to Christianity. And the slow and steady and faithful growth of the church changing civilizations and turning them right side up and getting rid of weird sex perversion and baby sacrifice and the abuse of women and children. Why? Because of Christianity, not because of any other faith. So we used to just call the West christened them.

Yeah. Well, no, that's right. I want to talk about, you know, you touch on the French Revolution, the Frankfurt School, Weimar, Germany. The more I learn about history, the more I realize how important it is for us to know about history, the Weimar Republic, that period in Germany, between, the world wars was extremely decadent. Because I'm German, my mom grew up, you know, was born during that period, actually was born

just after that period. But it really is fascinating to me the level of decadence that was in the Weimar Republic. I think the reason many of us don't know about this is that we think everything went south in the 1960s. We think it was the 60s. It was the 60s. Well, in the United States, it was the 60s. But really in the 20s, I mean, if you look at films from the 20s and the early 30s before the Hayes Code, it's really sexual and dark and weird.

We forget that the flapper was just a totally sexualized. I mean, it's something that comes into the culture during Weimar, Germany, during that period between the wars. So there's a history here to trade. And then, of course, we can go all the way back to the French Revolution. We can go all the way back to Eden. But talk a little bit about some of these periods. Yeah. There's so much there, Eric.

This is why you need to launch like a long form, like two-hour in-person Metaxa show. So you and I can just sit in leather chairs for two hours. But let me see if I can answer that in a homeschool, impressive way. What is cultural Marxism? I mean, it's just, it's, it's Marxism. Don't be fooled by the change in the language, right? Don't be lulled by the new slogans or distracted by the shifting targets. The revolution has not ended.

It simply changed costumes, right? So what once marched under the banner of economic liberation now advances under the banner of cultural grievance, right? So classical Marxism named wealth, right, Eric, as the enemy and property as the original sin. Cultural Marxism keeps the same. revolutionary fire, but swaps the fuel. So private property is replaced by whiteness. Class is replaced with identity.

The bourgeois is replaced by the middle class. So the doctrine's the same. It's just the vocabulary has been updated, right? Well, you'll notice, I mean, you've already noticed more than I have noticed before I've noticed, but all this stuff is always anti-God. They just dress it up differently. Yeah, yeah. So Marx can agree in the middle of the 19th century that religion is bad, God doesn't exist, atheism is central to everything he's talking about economically.

And then 100 years later, they're just talking about different stuff. But they also agree that we are against God. Always. We want to eradicate God and faith. And it just takes a different form. Yeah, that's right. Obviously. Amen.

Exactly. Yeah. So, and that's why the movement's contradictions are so revealing, Eric. the system that once found to overthrow capital now survives on capital's generosity. So billionaires who would have been denounced as parasites in an earlier age are now celebrated as allies, you know, as long as they fund the cause and mouth the approved liturges, soros, gates, whatever. So the old enemy has been forgiven, a new one has been chosen. And who is that enemy, Eric? It's not the powerful elite.

It's the ordinary person, right? The parent, the neighbor, the churchgoer, the citizen who still believes that men and women are real. that families matter, that nations exist, and that moral truths are not the inventions of power. And so normality itself is declared oppressive. Normality is now oppressive, not because it harms, but because normality endures, because reality always reasserts itself in the end and most people are common sense realists. And that's not an accident. The logic is relentless.

If power is everywhere, then guilt is everywhere. If every difference implies domination, then every relationship is suspect. And so inevitably the family always becomes the target of the cultural Marxist revolutionary, quote-unquote, utopian pipe dream leftists. So the same old enemy is returned. It's the same old gospel of division, resentment, and endless accusation. And so anyways, there's a lot there. We get in the fathers of the Frankfurt. We could talk about Max Horkheimer.

We could talk about, you know, all the weird sex perverts out of the Frankfurt school and Herbert Marqueuse and all these people and Wilhelm Reich. We just probably don't have time. But yeah, the abolition of God led by the targeting of the family and of children, that framework has never changed. The only thing that has actually stopped that historically has been the church. And that's why we made this film and book is to say, like, this is our fight church. This has always been our fight. And when the church doesn't stand against these evils, preach against them, live out the truth of God's design and disciple your children. And by the way, like start reproducing like papists.

like we've got to have more babies. Just start spitting out dragon slayers, okay, catechizing them, making them read, you know, I don't know, metaxus books and memorizing Chesterton and Lewis and Tolkien and all that, you know. And then don't send your kids to public schools, obviously. And then we just commit to the long term of vision

of cultural transformation. Regardless of when Christ is coming back, we want to live as if he's not coming back for a thousand years. No man knows the day or the day. hour, not even the sun. I don't know when Jesus is coming back. Eric, I hope it's tomorrow, but I'm going to live and build and fight as if he's not coming back for 2,000 years. And I'm going to plant oak trees to grow trees, the shade of which I may never sit under. But my children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren will be the beneficiaries of a generation,

at least of my wife and I, and hopefully our friends and more, who are sacrificing now to stay the madness and give God a reason to show America mercy. And that's why we tell some of these stories, Eric, is because we have forgotten that the church has always been fighting these things that today you can hardly find pastors to preach against. Well, this is what's so amazing is that there's so many churches that I think even I would think of them as good churches. And then I find out they don't do politics, quote, unquote.

They don't get into this stuff. And you think, what do you do? What is it that you're doing? At what point do you get into this kind of stuff? At what point do you warn your sheep, these people that have been entrusted to your care? At what point do you warn them about evil that wants to consume them and their kids?

At what point you begin speaking about it? And I'll say it again. Folks, if you're going to a church like that, I want to be clear, you're part of the problem. I'm not worried about losing my audience. I have to be faithful. and say this to you, you are part of the problem. If you're tithing God's money to a church that never gets into this stuff,

I just want to say, what are you doing? What are you doing? Do you understand how late the hour is? Now, the title of the film and the book is The Last Stand. This is a last stand. This is, and I totally can grow with this. The last stand, Christ or chaos. So one more time, how do people, how do churches, schools see the film?

go to the last stand. Film. Is that the website? That's right. Yep. And you can request to host a screening. You can do this for free. We even try to send a White Rose Resistance representative if we have team members or ambassadors

that are able to make it out. We try to get some of our team members to actually be there and share and talk to the students and believers that are hosting a screening. So the last stand. You can also buy the book there. Of course, it is on Amazon. But if you'd rather give your money to a Christian ministry than the Sodomized in Silicon Valley, you can buy the book from us, actually, and the money will go to a Christian

Pro-Life Ministry. But it really is a last-stand moment, Eric. And I think we might have touched on this several months ago when I was on the show, but it bears repeating because I've only found two people who had heard about this study or this person. It was Bill Federer and Dr. George Grant, who had heard about this before I said it. His name is J.D. Unwin. He's an Oxford anthropologist an ethnologist, and he published a book in 1934 called Sex and Culture, and it's a huge tome, and he looks at 86 civilizations over 5,000 years, 86 civilizations, 5,000 years, and he says, what causes civilizations to rise and endure, what causes them to decline and fall? Very simple. And his findings were historically ruthless and should be quite a wake-up call

to the West right now and to the church in America, era. He said, once a society codifies total sexual freedom, codifies it, kind of interesting, so not just cultural changes, but those cultural changes have been so systemic that the laws have changed. So the codification of what he called total sexual freedom. Once a society did that, within 90 to 100 years, if they didn't do anything to write the ship and to reverse course, they were done. Bye bye, bye, bye, Biden, bye-bye, Dodo Bird, all gone. That civilization's done. And he said they were replaced by another civilization that still had great social energy. And you go, well, what's great social energy? How do I get some of that creative social energy?

Well, he answers that as well. Radical Islam. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's the canary in the coal mine. And we'll get there because I agree with you. But he said on the inverse, civilizations that coupled what he called prenuptial chastity with absolute monogamy. So don't have sex before you get married. And after you get married, only have sex with your spouse and then reproduce like papists.

Amen and amen. Spit out dragon slayers. He said civilizations that coupled those things and kept them together. He said, produced the most culturally energetic. reductive civilizations in human history. Whoa. And he said, only three civilizations ever reached that level.

It was the Athenians, the Romans, and the English. That's it. Now, of course, the Athenians and the Romans ended up, you know, making bad decisions years later, and now the English

are doing the same. But that's it. So, and every other civilization, once they codified total sexual freedom in 90 to 100 years, they were done, bye, bye, and they were replaced. So when did America embrace total sexual freedom?

1973. And here's my argument for that. Baby killing through point of birth, Roe v. Wade. so you don't have total sexual freedom unless you have the right to murder the products of your sexual freedom.

Once you legally have orgasms without responsibility legally protected, then yeah, you have total sexual freedom, not freedom in the classical sense that our founders would have understood it, but you know what I mean. Also, 1973, Endangered Species Act, Eric, the same year we declare open season

on pre-born babies, the same year, we gave greater legal protections to sea turtles and porpoises. Fulfilling Chesterton's prophetic warning that wherever there is animal worship, there will be human sacrifice. And thirdly, in 1973, the Supreme Court removed their obscenity laws, thereby allowing the free and legal wide distribution of porn. So that all happened in 73. Hold on, wait a second.

Abortion, animal worship, and weird sex perversion? Why right now, Eric, am I hearing in my head, Moloch, Beal, and Ash, Tereth? I don't know. The Moloch, baby killing. I tell you, this is, this is chilling, but it's also wonderful because it's clarifying what you're saying. And what you, the last time you were on, you gave a date. You said, how many years is it? I mean, you said 90 to 100, but I thought you said something before that, 70 years or something.

I can't remember after these things are codified. Yeah, he says within 90 to 100 years, if nothing changes and the civilization doesn't reverse course, correct course, then they're done. And they're replaced by another civilization with greater social energy. And so could it be that America came into an agreement with a demonic trinity in 1973, Eric? I don't know. I mean, Moloch is baby killing. Beal, remember Bayal? It's like a half animal, kind of like half man, animal, demon-looking figure.

Well, why is it an animal? why when people sacrifice babies do, they always worship animals? And then Ashteroth, you know, gender bending, orgy hosting. I mean, yeah, it was insane how they worshipped ashtereth. It's like, wow, in 1973 and in a strange way, is like a political application of the three ancient demons that whenever God's people participated in or tolerated the worship of those deities and the sacrifices they demanded, he routinely would wash his hands of his own people and say, you know, here you can have Democratic Socialists to govern you. I mean, I'm being a little bit facetious, but like, it's Psalm 106, right? Like, I'm done with you. Your hands are full of blood.

You can be ruled by those who hate you. Like, when we tolerate or come into agreement with those specific demonic manifestations, Eric, the conclusion of that story is always the same. It's God gives a people over to be ruled by those who hate them. That's why George Mason, the father of the bill of rights, Eric said, as nations cannot be rewarded or punished in the next world, so they must be a niths. by an inevitable chain of causes and effects. Providence punishes national sins by national calamities.

Okay. And so, Islam, I think that's the canary in the coal mine, Eric, actually. I think that it's like a, it's like a civilization or replacement warning bell. And of course, you look at Frisco, you look at Dearborn Michigan. I just got back from Britain recently, Eric. I got invited to speak at CPAC Great Britain. I still don't know how that happened. It's like, I was like, holy hijab.

Holy hijab. I couldn't walk a block without seeing 15 hijots. So when you're seeing what's happening with Islam, especially in America, that seems to be almost this prophetic warning of J.D. Unwin's book from 92 years ago, like, hey, you don't have much time left. Well, there's so much here. First of all, I want to say that I agree, wholeheartedly that we're in an existential crisis,

but I believe that it is the Lord's will, that his will prevail, and that his will will prevail, but we have to fight. So in other words, it's not just that we sit back and watch God win. What we do is part of it. He looks to his people to fight, and it's, you know, I bring it back to the American Revolution.

It's the same thing. There was nothing guaranteeing that they would win, but God wanted them to win. So it was up to them to fight, to fight and pray, and fight and pray, and fight and pray. And that seems to be where we are now. It's why you've made this film. It's why you've written this book. It's why I do what I do, because there are enough people, people listening right now,

who actually do care and say, what can I do? And one thing I'll say, which is a little bit countercultural, at least in the evangelical church, we need to do more. It's not enough simply to have, we say, well, I have. faith and that's enough. It's like, no, now you have to act on your faith and you have to do things like go have this film screened at your at your church. I say the boy mentioned the bonhofer movie.com. People need to do more. Now when I say do more, it's not that you're earning your salvation by doing more, but the church has become very passive and we're we're just floating along

with the culture, but then once or twice a week, maybe we kind of focus on. on on God, but everything we do is supposed to be an expression of our faith. And taking the trouble, if it's not to read a book, then to watch a film, to get your family, to get your friends, to get your small group, your home group, your church group, to do these things. We need to do more of this because we're being catechized by the culture. We need to let God catacized us with his ideas as they have been, um, manifested in things like the film that you've made and things that I've involved. And we need to get serious about that.

We need to make time for that. And instead of just watching whatever Netflix is putting out there, we need to be very, you know, intentional about this and see this film. The last stand. Dot film is the website. The last stand. Dot film is the website. I mentioned the film that's going to be in theaters,

the bonhofermovie.com. We need to be doing more. We need to be doing more. need to be drawing people into the conversation about what is true. I just feel like this is something I'm going to be saying more and more because I think a lot of Christians were very passive. We're very, very passive. Yeah, Eric, the mistake of, I know we're landing the ship here, but the plane, but the mistake of modern Christianity has been to treat Christ's victory as an excuse for passivity rather than a summons to action, bro. Okay. So, but scripture teaches the opposite. Because

Christ has won, we are set. Because the decisive blow has already been struck, bro, we are commissioned to advance that victory into every domain where rebellion still rages. We are not just saved from our sin and for the promised land. We are saved that we might be filled with the spirit and set to the nations, calling upon them to repent and join us in this glorious march to the promised land. And that always has included the family, Eric. The war against the family that is right, all these leftists, it's always same thing. That's not an accident of history. It's strategic because the family is the basic unit unit of dominion, discipleship, and cultural continuity. So to fracture the family is to weaken resistance to tyranny. To confuse sexual identity is to sever creation from meaning. To destroy the bond

between parents and children is to interrupt the transmission of truth across generations. And Satan understands this. And we must understand that as well. now, Eric, the church must understand this. Christ has already disarmed the enemy, but he has not called his people to retreat behind the walls and wait for evacuation. He's called us to occupy, to watch, to contend, to build, to protect, to raise children in truth, to honor marriage, to speak clearly when the world demands silence and to refuse false peace when there's a war being waged. And that doesn't mean that we fight with hatred or like panic, Eric. That's not what I'm saying. It means we fight with confidence. We do not enter this conflict trying to earn victory. We enter it because victory has

already been given. That's why Paul says that we are more than conquerors, which means, like, for your listeners, Eric, this is so, like, I'm so stoked on this. I want people to get excited about this. We're not barely surviving or clinging to hope by our fingernails. We are overwhelming victors because we share in the triumph of another. Life cannot separate us from Christ. that death cannot separate us from Christ. Neither persecution nor cultural scorn or institutional pressure can undo what has already been secured. Even death, that that last enemy, right, has been stripped of its state. For the Christian, death is no longer a prison.

It's a doorway. It's a threshold. It's a passage into glory. So what remains fearsome for us is not death itself, Eric, but maybe dying, suffering, lost pain. But even those are not meaningless. They are the birth pains of a world. being restored. So Christians who know how the story ends are the most dangerous people in the world to tyrants, ideologues, and false gods. We are not fighting to save ourselves. We are fighting because

we belong to a king who is already won and who invites his people to participate in the unfolding of that victory until every enemy is finally placed under his feet. The culture war is not beneath us. It's beneath him. And that's why we engage. That's why we stand. Take the field, guys. Guard the family. Speak the truth. Raise the next generation. The champion has gone before us.

The war is real. The victory is certain. The trumpet has sounded. The call has gone forth and the faithful must answer. I have to say we just got a minute or so left. But first of all, folks, action points. The last stand. Dot film.

Go to the last stand. Dot film. And the point that I want to make recently, I've been thinking about this a lot, Seth, that a lot of the culture, a lot of people, their lives don't have meaning. And that's troubling. And so what they do is they distract themselves. They distract themselves by watching garbage films or garbage TV. They just distract themselves or they're trying to look for the next high. I'm going to go on some vacation. There's more to life, folks, than having a good time. God doesn't want you

only to suffer or only to work. But there is joy in living a life of meaning. He's called us to a life of meaning and getting involved in some of the things that we've been talking about here saying, I'm going to take this on, I'm going to take that on. It gives us meaning.

It gives us joy. We were created for this, folks. We weren't created to just have a good time on a beach. We were created to do glorious things for God's purposes. And I'm just fascinated how many people go through life they're just wasting time. And it's just a horror to think about it. I think of the time I wasted in my life.

It is such a privilege that we get to do wonderful things that God has created us to do these things, to get involved. So I just want to say in closing folks where I touched on it a moment ago, get involved, do more. It's what Seth just said it. First of all, this film, go to the last stand.

film. Have a showing at your church. Do what you can. I mentioned the Bonhofer movie.com. Be a person who gets your church to say we're going to buy out a theater. There are innumeral things to do. We're not meant to live empty lives, just kind of passing the time trying to stay out of trouble. We're supposed to cause trouble for the enemy. That's what God brought us into this world to do. So my friend Seth Gruber, White Rose Resistance. Stand. Film. Thank you. God bless you. You too, brother. Today's show is brought to you by Grace precious metals. In an industry that can be confusing, Grace believes in doing business differently with Christian values, transparent pricing, and a focus on straightforward gold and silver

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