The Eric Metaxas Show - #212 - Pat Boone

Episode Date: October 1, 2026

Pat Boone joins Eric for a wide-ranging trip through more than seven decades of American music and entertainment.Pat recalls breaking into the charts in the early days of rock and roll, when Elvis Presley was once his opening act and the two spent years competing near the top of the charts. He also shares some remarkable statistics from his recording career, including his claim that he recorded roughly 2,700 songs, more than Frank Sinatra or Bing Crosby.Pat tells Eric about a country song that came to him in a dream, his surprising connection to Randy Newman’s first record, Roger Miller, Buddy Hackett, Bing Crosby, and a recent tribute at Iowa’s Surf Ballroom honoring Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and the Big Bopper.Plus, Pat reflects on being 92, his brother Nick, the songs he is still writing, and why he has no intention of slowing down.⭐ ORDER NOW:Revolution: The Birth of the Greatest Nation in the History of the World📕: https://a.co/d/0ir3NlapTODAY'S SPONSORS:🪙 Grace Precious Metals: https://www.metaxasmetals.com/🛏️ MyPillow — Save BIG with code ERIC: https://www.mypillow.com/☀️ Honest, fast, and free Medicare plan guidance: https://askchapter.com/metaxas/0:00 Pat Boone Joins0:42 Pat Boone On Eric’s Revolution5:50 How Pat Boone Entered Rock And Roll7:22 Elvis Opened For Pat Boone8:58 2,700 Songs And 65 Years On The Charts10:23 The Country Song That Came In A Dream16:32 Randy Newman, Roger Miller And Pat’s Songwriting22:24 Buddy Holly And The Day The Music Died27:32 Pat Boone At 9232:13 Bing Crosby, Buddy Hackett And Old Hollywood- - -LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/@ericmetaxas#EricMetaxas #TheEricMetaxasShow #News #PoliticsChapter and its affiliates are not connected with or endorsed by any government entity or the federal Medicare program. Chapter Advisory, LLC represents Medicare Advantage HMO, PPO, and PFFS organizations and stand alone prescription drug plans that have a Medicare contract. Enrollment depends on the plan’s contract renewal. While we have a database of every Medicare plan nationwide and can help you to search among all plans, we have contracts with many but not all plans. As a result, we do not offer every plan available in your area. Currently we represent 50 organizations which offer 18,160 products nationwide. We search and recommend all plans, even those we don’t directly offer. You can contact a licensed Chapter agent to find out the number of products available in your specific area. Please contact Medicare.gov, 1-800-Medicare, or your local State Health Insurance Program (SHIP) to get information on all of your options.

Hey there, folks. Welcome to the program. I don't want to say anything because I've got just one of the most wonderful guests you could possibly have. He goes by the name Pat Boone. And here's the good news. That's his actual name. It is Pat Boone. Welcome back to this program. It gives me great joy to see you. Hey, great to talk to the real Eric Metaxus, too. A Meeting of Minds. I wouldn't go that far, but thank you. Well, meeting mind and spirit, yeah. You're holding a book in your hand, and I'm extra excited because it looks like my book revolution. It is, and it is an epic, epic book. I know you. I've known you a long time now, but there ought to be some exploration of your brain that, that,

It shows how it is different than the usual brain. Because what you've done in finding newer things and doing such a thorough job of telling us how we came to be in America and how we ought to, we need to know and remember so we can remain America, this is a crucial book. And it's been done by other people, but never this thoroughly. and never this as easy to read as this. Well, I didn't expect you.

I didn't even know you had a copy. And by the way, is his volume okay, Chris? It's a little light. Honestly, I'm just thrilled to hear you say this. I didn't know you had a copy of the book and I didn't know you'd been reading it and I didn't know you would say such nice things about it and its author.

Thank you very much. That just blesses my heart. Well, I know exactly how thorough it is, how much it means to you. I was looking for one thing, if you don't mind my asking. I was looking over here on page 4 of 67 or somewhere about Ben Franklin. Of course, the incredible part he played, and he was ambassador to England. Wasn't it?

Ambassador to England, wasn't it? France. France, but he was in England and yeah, he was kind of everywhere. But the contribution that the Jewish, wealthy Jewish people made to our revolution. Yes. And I was looking for the mention of it. That is one of the many things that I left out of this book. Because as you know, I'm a raving anti-Semite. I follow Hassan Piker. No, that's not true. There's so much that I left out of this book. And that's the funny thing. This is a 600-page book. And there is tons of stuff that I just couldn't get in there. I thought this book's going to be

a thousand pages. Nobody will buy it. So it's a six. slim 600 pages, but there are a number of things. There's four or five things, and you just mentioned one of them that I thought, when I do a second edition, I'm going to have to write about this. Because again, there's just so much that I just could not get in here. But you're right to bring it up. Let me just add one sentence to this. And that is, the Jewish people and Israel pay it a real role in the formation of our government and even the founding and the financing of it. So much so, and Franklin got the Jewish star on the currency that he designed. Most people have no idea that Israel and Jews were so supportive of,

although you do document that the founders were trying to create a new Israel when they created America, a new nation. There's no doubt. It's a reprisal of the Sinai covenant, this idea that we're going to get out from under Pharaoh, aka King George III, and we're going to be in the Sinai wilderness looking directly to God as our king.

Yeah, yeah. And this is exactly what Samuel Adams says in his speech. In August 1, 1776, he's speaking to Congress in Philadelphia. and he says, we have restored the sovereign, capital S. He makes it real clear that we've gotten rid of an earthly king, but we're looking to God as our true king. Most people don't know that.

I didn't really know it myself. And the more research I did, the more I was astonished at the fact of it and then at the fact that most Americans have no idea of this. And so obviously I put it in the book, but thank you for mentioning it. Well, but the book itself is just, I mean, everybody should read. And you'd think I can't read a book this thick. Well, if it's written the way you, first of all, I'm 92 and I can read it without my glasses. Maybe that's unusual.

But it's big print, it's easy to read, but also you have a special ability to make flowing readable sentences that are memorable and understandable. And you don't have to go back and read them again. She said, wait a minute. What's that? saying. I mean, it is just an epic, epic establishment. So, well, it's not my birthday, but I feel like it's my birthday to have Pat Boone saying such kind things. I mean, listen, obviously, I believe in the book, and I want every American to know our story. It's why I wrote the book, but the fact that you'd say such nice things, thank you. Thank you for that. It means a lot to me, Pat.

We haven't had you on here in a while. You're busy. You're doing all kinds of stuff. I don't even know where to begin with you. I always want to talk to you about, you know, old showbiz anecdotes. Every time I talked to you, you knew everybody. You were friends with everybody going way, way, way back. When did you come on the scene? How old were you? What year did you burst onto the scene in American culture?

Well, let's see, what year it was 1950, I think. That was when I made my first rock and roll record. Now, I think the facts show. and I've said this many times, Elvis and I were midwives at the birth of rock and roll. And Jesse Jackson said about me once, he thought that Pat Boone did more

for race relations in his music in the 50s than any other artist because he was a white guy down in Nashville Christian singing songs that were called race music. It was rhythm and blues, but it was referred to as race all black, none of the music that were hits and the black communities on black radio

were known to pop audiences until I recorded this song called At My Front Door Crazy little Mama Come, knocking, knocking at my front door, door, door. But what's she knocker? I don't know, well, you have to hear the song. But it became a million seller. Then the next record was Fats Domino's Ain't That a Shame.

And for four and a half years, I was never off the pop show. charts. It was always in the books, cash box, billboard, with at least one, usually two records, one going down, the other going up. Elvis, of course, came right after me and was my opening act the first time we met. We've talked about that before. And he and I swapped the top slots in the charts for four years, and gradually I faded back, and he kept coming and became the king of rock and roll, but, but it was, uh, it was race music, which we began to call rock and roll, which was a phrase much in the music, we're going to rock and roll all night long, baby.

Well, that could include dancing, but maybe other things too. Yeah. And it was all implied in the music. And, uh, and so it was a historic thing. But that was, it was 53. Did you say, Dana? 53. I lose. I think that's the, I think that's the, and, uh, and so it was a historic thing. And, uh, and so it was a historic thing. I was a historic thing. I was a I think that's the same year. Khrushchev came to power. So congratulations. I got to, I want to, I mean, so, so you've been, you know, world famous for 73 years. I don't think there's almost no one alive who has been in the public eye for 73 years, Pat.

That's, that's astonishing. I really, I can't think of anybody that's been in the public eye for 73 years. my goodness. Well, a couple of records. If you don't mind me, not bragging, but just giving a couple statistics. But recently, Billboard Magazine gave me an award of the longest tenure in the charts, 65 years, from the first record in the charts to the most recent one last year. And so they gave me a special award. But the other thing that people don't know is that I was, was so prolific in my recording. Frank Sinatra recorded 1,500 songs of all matchless wonders.

And then Bing Crosby was my role model. He recorded 2,000 songs. But you're talking to the guy that recorded 2,700 songs more than either one. You're the Pete Rose and the Cal Ripkin of pop music. That's unbelievable. 2700. Absolutely. And I'm getting that.

on the charts even now at 92 with the big record of 27, I think, million-selling country songs that I do all in one album. No country artists ever did it, but this guy from Nashville, Tennessee, did it. And I'm in the charts again. What are you talking about? You're on the charts again. Have I missed this? What are we referring to here? It's popping into the sales charts. and and you know, I don't, Dana's running to get them to try to find the statistic. Well, it's this country Jubilee album. Two years ago. Two years ago.

And it's 20, how many songs? 25 million selling hit country songs, all sung by one artist, me. And then I added a new one to it, a song I wrote called Grits. Grits, grits, best as food, there it's. Country caviar Tennessee foie gras Hey grits grits Best is food there is

Keep your fancy food Give me my grits And it became Wait is that a new song That came out two years ago Yeah A song I wrote It came to me in a dream

That I was unhappy That I wasn't in the country charts And I dreamed That I had written a country song And I was being congratulated And the first words That you just heard came to me in a dream grits grits bestest food there it's uh are you serious that's that's

amazing because that's very clever and funny grits grits bestest food there it's country caviar that is funny guajas you have you don't hear those words in country music well uh that's that's that's clever but the most clever is that oh grits grits bestest food there it's that's very clever and you're telling me that came to you in a dream. In a dream, yeah. And so I wrote it, you know, finished it. Now I've been trying to get Quaker Oats are the main sellers of Grits to use it as a theme song because the country restaurants, the crack a barrel, that they majored in Grits for

50 years. And so I'm trying to get them to use the song as a commercial. But so that song is only two years old. Yeah. It sounds like it's 72 years old. It's just got that classic, it's just such a classic sound to it. But the description, country caviar, Tennessee foie gras. That's unusual lyric.

But I'm not talking to you because you are such a great wordsmith that I knew that you would appreciate that lyric. Well, listen, as a wordsmith, I'm telling you the best part of that song is Grisd is grits grits best food what is it bestest food there it's bestest food there is roger miller was a great song right roger miller his son was you know him yes and his son was in the record that we made of the song and he's uh dean and dean his son said i can hear my dad writing that lyric and that's you know what that's exactly right are you familiar with the song dang me yeah of course ought to take a rope bang me yeah Dang me, dang me. I ought to take a rope and hang me.

Sure. Hang me from the highest tree. Oh, woman, would you weep for me? Willa, won't you weep for me? Something like that. Yeah, yeah. Dang me, dang me, dang me. Well, Roger Miller, yeah, he was real clever.

Really? And it sounds like a song that Roger Miller could have wrote himself, but turns out you wrote it in a dream. Pat, are we making this up? No. Are we, it's really. But, you know, it's as if we made it up. Because hardly anybody, but you and I know it.

But the people that I was working with. But listen, but it's so good, it's so good that people ought to know it. That's, and again, you know me well. I don't blow smoke. That's a brilliant lyric. That's a brilliant, you know, best is food there. That's the kind of thing that everybody would remember that. Everybody remember that.

I wrote a song that wakes me up most mornings in my alarm, in my phone. is a song I wrote called Peter's Whistle. And he was the prince-consort of the queen of the Netherlands when I was there. And he had written a melody called, and they called it Peter's Whistle. What year roughly are we talking about that you were over in the Netherlands? Oh, man, I don't keep up with the days. I really don't. Can you give us a decade?

No. No, I don't keep up with it. That's maybe a problem for me. Yeah. But I was there representing the United States on the day, our Independence Day, because for years, that part of the world celebrated America's Independence Day because of our support for them during the Nazi Holocaust. Right. And so they would ask an American to come speak to a big, big outdoor celebration, celebrating Independence Day, America's Independence Day, what it meant to. to Denmark and the Netherlands and so on.

So I, Victor Borga, had done it one year and now. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. You can't just drop a name like Victor Borga and expect me not to stop you. Did you, Victor Borga? Yeah. They asked entertainers and, you know, public known people to come each year and speak to this big, several thousands people gathered in an outdoor place where they had a, a replica of the Lincoln log cabin, stuff like this American history.

They celebrated our independence and asked an American to come speak, and I got to be with the royal family and heard this song, this melody, and I wrote a song which I can't sing for you right now, but called Peter's Whistle, and the lyric of it, I'm really especially proud of, but also a song I wrote, and people don't think of me as a songwriter, but I wrote a song that was the title song of a movie of mine called The Horror of It All, a horror comedy, and I made the film in England, the horror of it all. It didn't have a title song, so I wrote one, When the Bats Fly Free, Through the Belfry,

and I hear quick steps soft and stealthy through the clammy fog, So unhealthy, I hear the horror of it all. Bum, bum, bum, bum. And it's, you know, those lyrics put together, I want to share with it in another song. Well, everybody dies. And Randy Newman complimented me on that one. Wait a minute.

Wait a minute. You got to do footnotes or annotations here. You wrote a song that Randy Newman, the brilliant film score composer and musician, songwriter, Randy Newman complimented you on that song, you said. Is that what you said? Partly because his dad was our family doctor, Irving Newman. He told me about his kid named Randy,

who was the nephew of some Lionel Newman and other great musicians that were creating film scores. and Randy was just in high school and he wrote a song and I managed to get him on Dot Records in fact forgot until Robert Hilbrun, the historian of music, complimented me on having produced Randy Newman's first record. I said, no, I didn't produce it.

I just helped him get on, no, no, you did. And he showed a 45. and it says, not produced by Pat Boone, his Randy Newman's first record. And so then you, yeah, go ahead.

Later, I started, I wanted to write a song with the universal theme. I was jogging in Hawaii at the time and I thought, what is a universal theme that I could write like a Randy Newman song? And so I realized the most universal theme I could think of was death. We're all going to die.

Now, Randy had this ability to write mournful things with Stephen Foster-type melodies. And, you know, let's drop the big one and all these other songs he would write that were ironic with sweet Stephen Foster-type melodies, but they were heavy themes. So that's what I wanted to do. So then I wrote,

Everybody dies. Everybody dies. It's a sad but true fact of life. Everybody dies. And everybody knows that everybody goes. You just get in line and do your time because everybody dies. I cannot imagine that that would be a big hit, Pat. No, it was not a big hit.

No. It's a little depressing because the subject is death. But it goes on to become a very, it has a wind up to it that, that, that, is optimistic. And so I would recommend people hear it, but how are they ever going to hear it? I'm not on a record label, and except talking with somebody like you

who has some interest in it, nobody even knows about all of these songs I've written. The books I too have written, and the fact that I recorded more songs than any artist in history. Another record is four and a half years without ever being off the single chart. Not even Elvis did that.

that because he went to the Army before he finished his four and a half years, first four and a half years. So anyway, the records I hold, but who knows except me and you. Well, and now the 25 people that are listening to us right now. So you, Randy Newman in case people forget, he's really only famous in pop culture for his kooky song, Short People, which came out. I guess it was like 1979 or something like that, 78 or 79. But then he wrote, you're a friend to me. You're a friend of... Well, no, he's, I mean, yeah, he's done so much great work.

Yeah. He's done so much, he's done so much work. And what film was that in? You're a friend to me. I can't remember that one. I don't remember it. Those are the... I have a spotty memory.

Things I've done stand out in my mind, but then when... Toy story. I'm sorry. Toy story. Toy story. My producer Chris just said toy story. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's okay. So then he's, he is famous to the young generation for that. But did you know Harry Nilsson? You know everybody.

No, I didn't know Harry. I know, of course, who he is. I know what a genius in his own right. But no, no, I didn't know him. But you knew Roger Miller. So who cares? Roger Miller. One of the things his son reminded me of talking about his dad, he says he always says these things that just pop up in his mom. and he'll just say them. And he said, do you ever notice that a chicken, no matter how fat a chicken gets, it never shows in its face? But who but Roger Miller would even think such a thing? That is very funny.

That's extremely funny. It never shows in his face. Wow. Who would think of that? Absolutely nobody. It's absolutely worthless but fun. That's the joy of it, I think. That's what makes it so wonderful.

Well, so is there anything we have to talk about or can we just keep rambling for a few minutes on this fun stuff? Oh, man, I want to talk about this. I've got, I just happen to have in my lap this vinyl. Now, you know, vinyl's making somewhat of a comeback. People, they're making vinyl machines and marketing them and advertising them. And people are rediscovering the joy of vinyl. and the way it preserves and plays music. And this is a two vinyl set record.

It's called, well, it celebrates the 1959 winter dance party of three artists who appeared in, what's the name of the place? Surf ballroom in Iowa. And I've forgotten the year of it. Are these the three folks who, who died in that plane crash. Buddy Holly, Richie Valens, and the big bopper.

Right. And they performed that night, that one night, and it was a cold, cool night not suitable for flying. But the phone where Buddy Holly actually called his wife to tell him, he had a fellow that was going to fly him home. He would be home in the early morning. But they took off into weather they shouldn't have been flying in. And the plane went down with Buddy Holly.

Big Bopper and Richie Valens. And so recently, just, I don't know, what, a couple of months ago, August 7th, we did a tribute concert at the surf ballroom with a lot of performers, Frankie Avalon and, gee, all these other artists did I, got a whole list of people, Ray Anthony. Oh, gosh, you would have to, well, a whole. But that... When you did for artists doing their songs,

and we recreated the concert that night, except with many other people doing the songs, I sang O'Donna and what's the Bluebirds over... Songs that are not as popular or well-known now, but were sung that night. And so we did the big tribute, had some 2,000 people standing in the surf ballroom. There were in those seats.

And where is the surf ballroom? ballroom. You said it, but I forgot already. Clear Lake, Iowa. I need to have somebody reminding me of the details because there are too many details that I just can't. But that was their last concert is what you're saying. Yeah, their last concert, they went down. And the song that memorializes them, Bye Bye Miss American Pie talks about that.

McLean, McLean wrote that song. Yeah, and of course. Don McLean wrote the famous song, Bye Bye Miss American Pie, which talks about the plane crash and the death, the day the music died, yeah. So we do all the songs that were sung at night and with many other artists coming along to do them.

The, gosh, the, what's it the one that did the, what's the group that I can, I've got the names down here, but Los Lobos. Los Lobos. Los Lobos. What's the song they do? Paddywags. Paddywax.

Well, that's not one we know now, but Los Lobos anyway. All these artists still revere these three guys, Buddy Holly, Richie Valens, Big Bopper. Big Bopper only had one hit, but that, oh, baby, that's what I like. That was his, Chantilly Lace. So anyway, we wanted to celebrate. Chantilly Lace. Yeah. I thought that was Fats Domino.

It was not. No, no. It was the big bopper. It was the big bopper. Yeah, big bopper. He wrote it and sang it. It was a DJ. And I think the only hit record he ever had that we eulogized him in the album that we've done,

including a song a guy in England wrote about the three. And he called it the three stars, three new stars and this guy. And so I closed the concert singing that song about Richie Valens, Holly and the Big Bopper. So it was one singer still around eulogizing the ones, the young ones whose careers had just got started and they went down that night. And yet they are still remembered because of their abilities and what the music they contributed. Today's show is brought to you by Grace precious metals. In an industry that can be confusing, Grace believes in doing business differently with Christian values, transparent pricing, and a focus on straightforward gold and silver

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Okay, so we've just got a few minutes left. I want to have you back. You know, it always happens because there's so much I want to talk to you about. You're 92 years old. Yeah. When's your birthday? June 1st, I can remember that. And the reason I like that is because my brother was born on the same date a year later.

Mama, a registered nurse, when the doctor said, you know, Margaret, you may have your second baby near the same date of your first. I was the first. And she thought that was a great idea. So the night before, on the May 31st, she drank a half bottle of casseroil, and that started the peristaltic motion in her lower region.

Unbelievable. And so she gave birth to my mother. My brother, Nick, and I told him many times, he's in heaven now, but I told him many times, I was so glad we were born on the same date June 1st because there's a 50-50 chance. I may remember his birthday, too. It's the same as mine. Oh, what a wise guy you are. You seem like such a nice old gent, but you're a real wise guy.

So, gosh, another day, and you would have been Irish twins, but you'd just. You just missed it. You missed it by seconds. He outgrew me by an inch, though. Is that right? Yeah, he got an inch taller and had kids. And he actually had a son or two, which I didn't. I wanted to have a son, but didn't. And so Nick beat me in several ways, and he lived a wonderful life.

He was recording on us, by the way. Randy Wood, the head of the Dot Records at the time, knew that Nick could sing well, but he sang with more precision than I did. I sang in a more free, wheeling way than Nick, which suited rock and roll better. But he had some hits even in other countries, but he did not want to traffic on my name, being my brother.

So he convinced Randy Wood to be known as Nick Todd, which was Dot record spell backwards. Nick Todd. The only trouble is every time he made an appearance anywhere. Now, ladies and gentlemen, let's welcome the star of our show, Nick Todd, Pat Boone's brother. And that is very funny. And then he had to explain why was his name Nick Todd if he was my brother. And so it came to nothing. He got tired of doing it and became a sociologist and at Pepper, a Lifston in Nashville. That's very funny. He got tired of that and he became a sociologist. What a sad story that is.

He became a sociologist. Holy cow. But he got into the help start a Christian organization that helped unwed mothers and, you know, home orphans and, you know, people that really needed help. And so, of course, there's a Nick Boone, what do they call it, we created a, whatever you call it in their memory. I've forgotten what it is. You give money and it's named after them. Yes. I forgot.

A trust or whatever. Yeah, yeah. But I wanted Nick to be remembered for the good that he did in his life. Well, you are exactly 23 days older than my mom who's been calling me while we're on the air here. She doesn't know that I'm trying to do a show. But she was born June 24th, 1934. So she's three weeks younger than you are. But I got to tell you, Pat,

every time I talk to you, I just think of all the people you know and the world of Hollywood that you've kind of been romping through. I remember you did a golf movie over years ago and I said, hey, who have you ever played golf with and you start telling me anybody that I've ever heard of?

You played golf with every president that was alive and you were, I guess you said that the Bel Air Country Club, It was Bing Crosby who was your sponsor at the country club. And I thought, this is just getting ridiculous. But did I tell you about when Buddy Hackett asked me if I could get him into Bel Air? I think he did, but if I don't remember, who cares? So tell it again.

Well, we were making a movie together. And he said, hey, I want to get into Bel Air. He says, I'm doing a little Buddy Hackett impersonation. Can you get me into Bel Air? And I said, well, I don't know. You know, Bing Crosby got me in. Maybe I can get you. I went to the manager of the club, Bel Air Country Club.

I said, Buddy Hackett, I'm making a movie with him. He'd like to be a member. Can we get buddy? And he said, well, Pat, this is not in our bylaws, but it's just a matter of fact. We don't have any Jewish members. What? You don't have any Jewish. Yeah, he says it's not a law or a rule, but we don't have any.

Sure sounds like a rule. doesn't it? Yeah, it's unspoken, but he said, go to the members and let them nobody would like to be in, and maybe he'll be the first. I mean, he was the manager seemed to be for it. So I got in touch with all the members of the membership committee. They all said to say, oh, buddy Hackett, he's funny, sure. But when they took the vote, it was no. And I knew why. And so I said to Buddy, buddy, buddy, I'm going to get out of Bel Air. I'm not going to remember this club. He said, no, Fed, don't do that. I just checked, I can't get you into Hillcrest. Hillcrest was the Jewish club.

He said, I can't get you into Hillcrest. So we remain friends. And I played with him at Bel Air. I took him to Bel Air Plate. He took me to Hillcrest. I'm trying to think Buddy Hackett. I mean, when I think of Buddy Hackett, I only think of him as being on the Carson show.

Yeah. And, of course, he's in the film. it's a mad, mad, mad, mad, mad world. But who wasn't in that film? You know, pretty much everybody but you and me. He was in a movie with me, buddy was, called All Hands on Deck, me, Barbara Eden and Buddy Hackett. But he played, this was not typecasting.

He played an Indian who had a... Back when you could get away with that. And he had a turkey for a mascot that he was hiding on the ship, with an LST and Dennis O'Keefe, and Barbara Eden, and Buddy Hackett. And Buddy was trying to keep this turkey hidden on the ship and keep it from the captain. And there was a scene. There was the, oh gosh, the director, a very funny man, the director had a scene in which Buddy was supposed to be following me along the ship.

And it was not an important scene, but it was, we were filming it. It doesn't sound like an important movie, but go ahead. Right. He was following me with the turkey, hiding the turkey, and he bumps into me. He's supposed to bump into me. But he kept stopping before he got to me. And the director, oh gosh, I'll let his name slip. But he was a comic director.

He said, buddy, buddy, buddy, several times. Look, bump into Pat. Don't stop. You're supposed to bump into him. And Buddy, he, so I took Buddy aside. I said, look, because he was getting frustrated. Look, don't be worried about this. This is not an important scene.

It's not going to be in the film. What's the name of the film? Norman Torog, the director. And so this is not going to be in the film, so don't worry about it. And so then buddy. Why are you shooting a film? Why are you shooting a scene if it's not going to be in the film? Now I'm confused.

Well, Norman thought it was funny. But when Buddy, this is Buddy Hackett, when I told him it's not going to be, and Buddy said loudly to the director, a Norman Pat says that this is not an important scene. It's not going to be in the scene film anyway. And so Norman Toro said, oh, Mr. Boone's editing the film now, is he? Let's do the scene and you bump into him, okay, buddy, because this scene is going to be in the film.

Sure enough, it is. which meant nothing is in the film because of what Buddy said quoted me that I said it wasn't going to be in there. Unbelievable. But anyway, you can cut that out of the interview if you'd like. Why would I want to cut it out? You're doing the same thing. You're saying it's not going to be in the interview.

Oh, yes, it is. Oh, yes, it is. You just do your job. So, well, we've only got a couple of minutes left, Pat. I want to talk to you about so many things. but we'll have to just have you back because you have been busy, though. I have to say you really do stay busy. I'm amazed, actually.

Well, things, as you know, I think, that in the riots in 2020, I wrote a song, Can't We Get Along? And I got a lot of artists. It was a We of the World type thing. And it was popular for, oh, for a couple of weeks, maybe, Wendy Moten, a beautiful singer, black singer, sang it. But we had many other artists that also joined in. But then it's forgotten.

I mean, it did the same thing as we are the world, but we're the world somehow manages to be remembered. But our song, which was just my song, One, No, Can't We Get Along? Then later I wrote another song called One. One, We Are One, Like No, I am One. I bet we'll bother singing it for you. But One, that has trying to bring it. bring us together like, well, no, not we are the world, like the guitar player who sang

with his guitar, the song, oh gosh, Bob Dylan, Bob Dylan wrote with his guitar and harmonica a song that it helped shave our thinking, calling us to our senses in the 70s. And I knew we needed another song like that. So I wrote another song like that called Where Did America Go? And it's and I used Paul, a great guitarist. If you really want to hit the charts with a song like that, the key is getting Cindy Lauper's involvement. That's pretty much the key. And that she was, she was somewhere else at the time. We did get a lot of people. She's still somewhere else at the time, just to be clear. We got we have to go. But I want to ask you, I mentioned this to you, and I'll say this to my audience.

We're doing a, I mentioned this to you on the phone. We're doing a very kind of high-end luxury cruise in the Mediterranean next summer. It's at the end of August next summer. We're going to be going around. It's in the sea cloud. We're going to Corsica and Sardinia. And I think we're stopping at Elba. But I got to tell you, anybody who's interested in this, it's very kind of high-end.

It's because there's only a hundred people I think can do it. But I said, I got to mention this on the air today. Go to Socratesandthecity.com. You can find out the information. Socrates and the city. com. And Pat, we're going to try to get you to come on this. I don't know if we'll succeed.

But I just want to hang out with you, really. That's what it boils down to. Well, you did invite me already. I don't know if you forgot, but you did invite you. No, no, that's what I'm saying. I spoke to you about it. I just think that it would just be fun. I've done it before.

I loved it. And, you know, I tell you what, though, I'll borrow a statement for long-gone friend of mine. I don't buy green bananas because I'm 92. And so, you know, but if I am around and can still walk and therefore I could get along on a ship, I'd like to go. So I would try to join you, yeah. Well, we'll circle back with you on that. We're going to have to leave it.

We're going to have to leave it for now. I knew this would happen is that we haven't begun to talk about 55 other things. We'll just have you back soon, Pat, if you don't mind. And we'll talk about all those other things when we have you back. In the meantime, God bless you, and thanks for coming on. And listen, thanks so much for writing this book on The American Revolution. It's fantastic. Thank you.

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