The Eric Metaxas Show - #23 - Victoria Jackson

Episode Date: December 12, 2025

SNL legend Victoria Jackson joins me to talk about stage four cancer, New Age deception, and why she believes a massive spiritual lie is sweeping the West. We also discuss Charlie Kirk’s martyrdom, weak Third Way pastors, and what it will take for the church to wake up TIMESTAMPS(0:00) Intro(3:56) Victoria Jackson Joins Show(4:38) Socrates in the City Gala And Travel Stories(11:09) Cancer, FaitH, And Every Moment(25:08) New Age “We Are God” Lie(43:04) Charlie Kirk Martyrdom And Church(50:20) Not Dead Yet Book And ClosingSponsors: SECURE YOUR FUTURE WITH A GOLD IRA: https://metaxasgoldira.org Help Save Lives in Israel TODAY: https://savinglifeisrael.org MyPillow — Save BIG with code ERIC: https://mypillow.com Christian Solidarity International: https://csi-usa.org/metaxas/

Hey, the folks, if I look happy, it's because my guest in a moment is Victoria Jackson. I can't help but light up. She is such a delightful person. She was on Saturday Night Live for six seasons, but I think her real credential is she was on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson 19 times. And she says, delightful in person, she's a friend. So she was with us at the Socrates event. last week. I can't, I couldn't believe it that they were there. It was so wonderful. We'll be right

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Merry Christmas. Wow. We were together just the other night in person here in New York City with your husband and friends at the Socrates in the City Gala. I can't tell you, I was so happy that you, you were there. I just, but of course we didn't get to talk. Do you have a nice time? Oh my goodness. I had such a great time. And how it started was I got your email. And I, and you know, I, I was like, oh, I say to God every morning, what do you want me to do today? What do you want me to do today, Lord?

And he, I don't know, the Holy Spirit or something was like, go to New York. I'm like, go to New York. but it involves planes and trains and taxis. Our taxi driver had a broken taxi. It was very scary. Anyway, you know, it's weird how when we travel, we let complete strangers. We put our lives in their hands, the pilot, the taxi driver. Anyway, just felt like God was saying, go, go, go.

So Paul's like, what? Where are we going? What? And I'm like, Paul, Socrates in the city. Paul is a bad traveler. I mean, he started shaking and having a nervous breakdown when they take away his plastic baggy with listerine in it. You know?

Well, listen, this is the thing. I say this to all my friends. The more you travel, the easier it is. People who don't travel get all for clempt because they don't know, like, what do I do? and it becomes stressful. For me, it's rarely stressful because I travel a lot. And I go, what's the big deal? It's fine.

They've all set up just for you. But people who don't travel kind of create weird problems. Don't even get me started about John Zmirak at the airport. But the point is you got here. And I was so happy to see you. You always look so festive, including even now. But you look so festive. and it was such a happy group of friends that I just...

Okay, wait. So I didn't think I would know anybody. And I'm like, oh, Eric's going to be busy. We can't talk to him. So then I run into our friends from the Greek cruise, the Eric Mattaxas cruise to Greece that we went on in June. And I ran into my favorite couples. One was missing.

Okay, this couple, okay, this is from Doreen. Doreen and Tom, a nurse and doctor who are on your cruise, she sent me this. How cute is that? Okay, well, people aren't getting the joke, Vicki. It's a handstand picture of me. You're famous for doing handstands all over the world. Yes. Whether people want you to or not.

Yes. And your friends on the cruise sent you a picture of somebody doing a handstand. Me. And then she sent me this card, hand-drawn, that says, Hello Bible readers because my new thing I'm doing is I'm reading the whole Bible on Instagram and TikTok, you know. Wait, wait. So those illustrations, those were illustrations of you that our friend on the cruise did of you. That is really special. Yeah, Doreen drew it. And so they weren't there. But my other two favorite couples were there. It was Candace and Adam and Nancy and Tom, who we knew from the crews.

So we were so excited to see them. Do you mean, okay, so I was under the misimpression that you all knew that you would be coming together, that you all got together and said, let's all go to New York. No. But no, you just bumped into them there. Right. And I had so many divine appointments that confirmed that I was hearing from God, that he was saying go to New York. I had so many

divine appointments. I was thinking so I was thinking I didn't get to visit with them enough because there was so much happening at the event you were singing. I heard with what's his name?

I heard. I left early because I was tired. You left before I sang with James O'Keefe? Yes. Wow. I thought we were friends. Whoa, I just got to take this in. Okay, but I heard you sing.

I never been stabbed in the back so publicly before, Vicki. But I heard you sing with Melanie. I sang with Melanie Penn. He has a great voice. We sang, baby, it's cold outside. Politically incorrect song. Love it. We dedicated it to Mr. Bill Cosby.

Just kidding. So, and I loved the event. so much. I was sitting next to a kooky guy. I can't remember his name. He's very interesting. Him and his wife is a sculptor. But anyway, the next day, I was like, Lord, what do you want us to do today? Should we go to a Broadway play? Should we go? The first thing you should have done is apologize to Eric for leaving early. But you know what? There's grace. I believe in grace. I believe in a God of Grace. You're the busiest man I've ever met in my life. You're busier than Lauren Michaels. Hey there, folks. Quick word from today's sponsor. When you hear about rockets, drones,

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You stayed till the bitter end. No, I didn't. I didn't even go to the after party because I was tired. You know, I have stage four breast cancer terminal. I have an excuse for everything. So guess what? But this is what I learned, the best blessing of having a terminal diagnosis.

Yeah, what's the best blessing? The best blessing is every moment is significant. At Thanksgiving, I said to my son-in-law, the pastor, I go, what's the word I'm looking for? Every moment is, is, he goes, significant. I go, significant. it's a really great thing to have. Well, you know, but it brings up an important point.

Bonhofer writes about this. In the middle of the war, he says that there's sense of all the evil around them and their sense of the death and their sense of whatever. All that makes you do is realize what's actually true all the time. It's just that suddenly you're forced to see it. But it's not like that's not always. true. We are always dying. We are always time is limited and every moment ought to be significant. So in a sense, you're simply seeing what is true. And you're you're living that.

Well said Yale graduate author. Well, you think I learned that at Yale? Let me tell you something. At Yale, they teach you the opposite of whatever I just said. I know. Believe me. I know. And guess who else I got to meet at your event. I met the, uh, one of two Harvard professors who is a Christian conservative, one of two who is currently teaching at Harvard. His name is Ben. Bull, Bulger, Bolger. He's related to the scarecrow on the Wizard of Oz. If I only had a brain, I could while away the hours conferring with the flowers, consult with the rain, and perhaps I deserve you and be even. We're the Irview.

We're the Irview. I only had a break. I met him. I was so excited. I met the only. I mean, to meet a Bulger, generally speaking, is exciting. To meet the metastocrates and city event to find out there at Harvard. There were people from all over the country at the event.

And I hope that as I'm sharing this, now, Vicki, that there are people listening to this program who are thinking, darn, I should have been there because we're going to be doing stuff around the country. We're going to have another event like this a year from now. But folks, if I've never said it before, for the love of Pete, go to Socratesandesandecity.com, sign up. We have so much happening at the event. And Vicki, I think you heard this part where we're talking about these book clubs that we're going to be launching all around the country. The books are free. We pay for the books. We got a grant. We will pay for the books. The books are free. And you do not even have to read the book. You just show up. They're called

Just Show Up Book Clubs. You show up. They hand you the book for free. You get to keep the book. And then someone reads. And so you sit there. I've done this. We've done this here in New York. We're doing another one in December. But there's all this great stuff happening. But there's all this great stuff happening, but you have to go to Socrates and City.com to sign up to see because we're doing events all over the country. I already know we've got an event in Palm Beach in February

and we're doing two retreats. One in May, which is going to be in the Boston area in Lexington or Concord. I don't know which, kind of as a pre-launch for my book on The Revolution. It's like a three, four-day retreat. We're doing one in Oxford, England at the end of July. Really

just so delightful to get together. other with people. And it's just like the gala, except you actually have time to hang out with people. It's not just an evening. I want to go to the England one. I would, listen, I would be so thrilled if you guys came to that. You have no idea how much fun it is. It's so, it's a wonderful thing. For people who can do it, they should do it. But I like to be with your people because people who hang around you who are fans of yours, they're my people. Uh, uh, I, uh, I, uh, I, uh, I, uh, I. I, I'm fans of theirs. Like, this is the whole point.

It's a fellowship of people who care about the same things. And we, you know, I say, I remember, I know I've said this before, but in 1998, Suzanne and I went to the 100th anniversary of C.S. Louis's birth, a big celebration, two weeks at Oxford and Cambridge. And it's like a Christian dating service. You're suddenly there with hundreds of people that have similar values to you. They're probably Christian. They're probably literate. They care about books. They care about, you know.

And it's so wonderful because you make friends. And I said this about the Greek crews. You're going to make friends. Like you're going to meet people that you're instantly going to have an affinity with them. And so that's what happens whenever we do these things. So we're doing the one in the Boston area. We're doing one in anyway. Sosocogynastity.com, folks, sign up because Vicky will be there.

Yes. And I have to get a pig. of you with my friend Candace from the cruise because every time I take a picture of you on her and she's a big fan of yours something goes wrong I think you were saying hi to Paul in the middle of the picture so it's got it's really your job as a photographer to kind of set that up so what went wrong was what you did yeah it was a bad it wasn't the camera I can't blame it on the camera well see the thing is if you're photographer you have to be pushy you have to say stand here look this way smile at me and it's hard

People appreciate that, Vicki. People actually appreciate that in the long run because... In the long run, they do. Think of the time we'd be saving, not talking about this right now, if you'd only been pushy. Exactly. So guess who else was at your event? Yonmi Park.

Oh, Yomi Park. There were many, many special guests. I didn't get to shout out. Dick Cavett. The great Dick Cavett. Oh, my gosh. Dick Cavett was there. Naomi Wolf was there.

Andrew Clavin was there. Andrew Claven was there. Yomi Park was there. The great Joe LaCante, everybody needs to know about Joe LaCante. We're going to be pulling him in to do more with us for Socrates in the city. He's just a very dear friend and a hero. Joe LaCante was there. But yeah, there were a lot of people. I'm sure I'm forgetting a raft of people.

Well, my favorite Socrates in the city so far is Yonmi Park. her story is just amazing to me how she escaped North Korea and then she's at Columbia University and in the same thing is happening. They're controlling her thoughts and saying in North Korea they control her thoughts and made her worship a dictator or your neighbor will tell on you. And then at Columbia University they're saying a man can have a baby. And you're like, no, you can't. And I'm like, A man can have a baby. And you're like, and then if you don't agree, your neighbor tells on you, she, she finds the same thing has crept into America.

That's fascinating to me. Everybody should be. Evil transcends national boundaries. And yes, it's extraordinary that she experienced that. Yon Me Park. Folks, well, if you go to Socrates in the city, go to our YouTube page or go to Socrates and City.com, my interview with her, which let me tell you. is it's an amazing, amazing,

I open experience, especially for Americans to hear her story. I was practically in tears. It's an amazing, it's such an amazing story. But yes, she was there. There were a lot of very special people in that room, I have to say. The other thing I love about your Socrates in the city,

besides, it's a perfect, great name for it, is that you do a half an hour stand up before you start the interview. You standout. I think it might have been for Christopher Hitchin's brother. I don't know. You were so funny. Me?

Little old me? Really? You're just saying that. No, off the cuff. Come on, you're just saying that. It's like you get a monologue like better than Johnny Carson and then you hear the great interview. And Christopher Hitchin's brother, who's not an atheist, he was so interesting because you're the same exact person. Oh, this is, his name is Peter Hitchens.

And he is like his brother. Ornery, ornery. An ornery curmudgeon. Yeah. A total curmudgeon. And he's one of those people. And there are a number of these people. I've noticed sometimes Naomi Wolf is, she's the mildest form of this.

But there are people that you agree with them and they argue with you. And you're like, no, no, no, I'm agreeing with you. But then they don't, but Christopher Hitchens is the worst example of that. David Berlinski was also guilty of that in the interview that I did with him about three years ago, where they argue. So Christopher Hitchens, when, I'm sorry, Peter Hitchens, when you are agreeing with him, he harrumfs and then he disagrees with your agreeing with him. But I don't remember any of my comments before him.

This is quite a few years ago. You know who was in the audience that day when I interviewed? Actually, wait a second. I interviewed him twice. No, sorry. I interviewed him once in Oxford, England, 10 years ago. But I also had him as a speaker at Socrates in the city, even before that, probably two years before that.

Christopher Hitchens was our speaker. And Tony Roberts, who just passed away a year or so ago, who starred in Annie Hall with Woody Allen. He was in the audience. You never know who's going to. show up at a Socrates in the city event. But I'm glad you think that my opening monologues can be funny sometimes. And because coming from you, that means something because you're a professional comedian. You're a professional.

Let me let me get this straight. You're a professional comedian. I had to move all the wires because my computer was dying. I also, so the next day, I knew you work. I have five days and I'm like, Lord, what do you want me to do today? Do you want me to go see a Broadway play? I've really never seen one. Even though I lived there six years and worked there on S&O,

I was too busy working to do anything the tourists to do. Do you want me to an art museum? And the Lord's like, no, go witness to your Jewish liberal friend, Peter, Lou Bell, even though he doesn't want you to. Does he want you to talk about it publicly on this program? Sure, he doesn't care. Who is that? You have a friend in New York named Peter and you went to visit him? I met him in the 80s and he's a Jewish liberal.

I've been trying to win him to the Lord since 1985. What does he do for a living? Am I supposed to know his name? I'm not sure that I find out. But he came to your show one time in a wheelchair, remember? He came to your show in the building where wheelchairs can't go up the stairs because there was no elevator. Oh, the old TBN studio. Yeah.

The border health shut that down. So I remember this now because you were with me on the stage. We did some fun stuff that day. You sang that special song. He was born with cerebral palsy. just a little bit of it. And his brain works great, but he can't, you know, walk good.

So he has, like, this state-of-the-art wheelchair that raises up high so he can talk to people at eye level, and it goes 25 miles an hour. And so the coolest thing happened, I got to tell you, are we running out of time? No. Well, we go to his apartment because he just broke his dad, Tibia. And he had his girlfriend there and he had this other woman was there and named Alice.

And somehow we fall into religion and politics. And then he somehow. Yeah. I'm sure you didn't bring it up. Yeah. What else is there to talk about that when he when he when he chuckled and said, oh, religion and politics. I go, what else is there to talk about? And so, um, We're talking, and it turns out, well, they're Jewish, you know, and I'm like, how can Jewish people vote for a Muslim mayor? I mean, Muslims killed you. How do you guys feel about October 7th? I mean, I got to ask the most interesting questions to real human beings, not, you know, it's different listening to, we listen to Fox News all day and we get made fun of for it by the younger people who watch sports all day. I'm like, wow, well, which one is more better for, you know, should I watch sports all day?

I like to keep up with world events. They're very prophetic these days. And anyway, we had a great discussion. But when Alice started telling me that her, that she had an experience and decided that she is God and that we're all God, we're all God. we're all God I said Oh so she said I said What is that new age?

She goes no it doesn't have a name I go it was in the Garden of Eden Your belief system is from the Garden of Eden When Satan said to Eve You know you could be equal with God You can be God If you disobey him If you eat this

And then the strangest thing is We had a loving conversation. It was not in any way tense or combative. It was very loving and interesting. Great conversation. And then she gave me her book and she believes in ayahuasca and LSD. Who is that? Is that a cousin of Hiawatha? Maybe. What is that? It's a drug you take that supposedly. Oh, the drug that opens you up to the demonic realm. Yes, I think I've heard of that. And I very nicely said to her. her, it sounds to me like a demon entered you.

When you had that. Vicki, listen, everything you're saying is exactly correct. The lie that we could be as gods is the oldest. And if you think about it, the most fundamental lie. It's at the heart of every lie. It is at the fundamental identity of the father of lies, Satan, to supplant God and to lure us into believing him. in the lie that we can join him in this great Promethean project to climb like Jack

climbing the beanstalk to kill the giant who is God so that we can take over. It's a diabolical deception. And the people who take these drugs are opening themselves up to this demonic deception. It's happening a lot. Wow. Well, here's the coolest part, Eric. The next day, I'm looking at my phone while I'm waiting for a taxi. and you posted on your Instagram that exact same thing that I said to Alice the night before.

You posted that people are thinking they're God now and that it goes back to the Garden of Eden. It's your post from like four days ago. Well, it's funny because when you were just saying that I was thinking, yeah, something came up on social media recently that made me comment on this. So it's funny to hear you talk about it. and we did this independent of each other. But listen, we know God is at work. And what we just said, I'm assuming there are a lot of people

who listen to this program who don't really understand this. And folks, there's nothing more important than what we're talking about. There's genuinely nothing more important than this. You have to choose. Do I choose God to submit my will to God who loves me and died for me or not?

And if I don't, if I choose my own will, I may as well openly choose Satan. It's the same thing. If you choose your own will, you're hitching your wagon, you know, to the devil's purposes. But of course, most people do it unconsciously or ignorantly. So we're here to tell them, don't do that. Yes.

And then my son-in-law, Brandon, Sunday, did a sermon where he says, you're either the king of your life or Jesus is the king of your life. Those are your two choices. And it's so like God to, I don't know. I'm going to send her the book when the world will be as one, which was written like in the 60s by a guy who did all those drugs and stuff and became a Christian. But my conversation with you, I would like to bring up the fact, that I was thinking maybe the end times prophecy of the one world government, one world religion, maybe it's going to be this one that we're all God. It's Oprah Winfrey's religion.

We're all God's new age, whatever you want to call it. And then I was thinking maybe the one world religion is Islam, which is also satanic. But what do you think the one world religion will be Islam or we're all God? Leave it to you in your faux ditsy way to ask the deepest, most incisive question ever. I think, first of all, I think that the devil doesn't really care how he accomplishes what he accomplishes. He will go with anything that will help him. And that's why you have, you know, socialist, communists working with Islamo-fascists.

They just want to move forward, and all they know is they're moving against the Lord of Host. They're moving against Jesus. They're moving against the God of the Bible. And they don't really care about anything else. That's their metric. And so how that plays out, I don't know. In my book, Religinalist Christianity, that's my most recent book. I don't talk about it very much, but it's the sequel to Letter to the American Church. And ladies and gentlemen, I really do recommend it. I don't just, you know, write books. In religionless Christianity, I talk about this very thing. I talk about this satanic project. It's building the tower of Babel. It's to say that we can get to heaven on our own. We don't need God. We can do it on our own. And it's a diabolical Promethean

Luciferian project. We want to get into heaven. Why? Because we want to murder God and take his place. That's the devil's goal. Prencys he fails. But he gets us to join him in the satanic project. And so there's so many people that are being diluted in believing this because it sounds so nice. Yeah, and you've got to understand, Vicki, there's truth in every lie, right? When people say, like, well, I'm God or I'm going to,

well, the Bible does say that every one of us is created in God's image, right? So we are created in God's image. And the Orthodox talk about theosis that we're supposed to be sanctified to become more like him. So there is just enough truth in it that people get confused and then spin it into, well, there's God and every one of us and I'm God and we're all part of God or whatever.

No, no, God is God and we're not. And we either submit to His will or we don't. And it's kind of like a simple litmus test, which I hope makes people uncomfortable. Like sex, that's not a marriage. Are you going to submit to that? If you submit to God's will in that, then God can work with you and will work with you. If you don't want to do that, he knows you're not really interested in him.

And so kind of people want to have it both ways. They want to kind of hedge their bets. But you are either submitted to God or you're not, whatever that is. And so if you dare, ask God to lead you clearly to himself, to people who are going to give you clear teaching on who he is and who he is. isn't because we really are living in times where this stuff is becoming i mean what you just said about you know people taking these drugs which opens them up and they think you know this they think they're entering this wonderful realm where they're they're they're you know they're having access to god and actually they're having access to the demonic which masquerades is god which is a nightmare

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I also wanted to tell you that the day after, the event. I was like, Lord, what should I do today? And I walked into our new hotel because the Union League Club, which is fantastic. It's so old and gorgeous. They didn't have rooms that night. So we went into the next hotel. And who's sitting in the lobby? But the two couples that I love from the Greek crews, they're sitting in the lobby. One of them's plane is delayed. And I got to fellowship. Me and Paul got to fellowship with them for hours. I mean, the Lord had his hand all over this trip to New York that started with an email from you saying, you know, Socrates's fundraiser. So we got to fellowship with the Greek cruise people. And then the next day I'm like, Lord,

what should I do today? I'm walking down the street and a blonde girl comes out of nowhere named Cassandra Watkins. And she says, are you Victoria Jackson? I go, yeah, she goes, I'm praying for you. I'm praying for you to be healed. Can I pray for you right now? And on the middle of the sidewalk, she prays for me. And then she says, you know, I met you 10 years ago in Tennessee and shows me my picture with her.

We were both fighting in 2013, the largest mosque ever built. It was being built 10 feet away from a Baptist church in Murfreesboro, Tennessee, the Muslims like to build a mosque on top of a church. And this one was like 10 feet away. They're trying to take over. And does she, does this, does this woman live in New York City? Does she go to church in New York City? Yes. I forgot the name of Christ Church. I think she knows to. I know there's quite a few churches. Not many great ones, but. Yeah, she does. Okay, so how wonderful, Vicki. That's amazing. And we ended up at serendipic. eating ice cream with her and talking for hours about the Lord and which psalms which

psalm is ours my psalm right now is Psalm 100 verse 5 and um what does that say it talks about god's goodness to generations to future generations and i put it next to my christmas video on Instagram, Victoria Jackson official, showing my happy family singing, oh, holy night. My 14-year-old granddaughter sings like a professional. And it's on my Instagram. And so I don't know the, I don't know the verse by heart, but it ends with the word generations. Did Paul, did Paul have basically a nice time?

I mean, he's, he's being a wonderful husband. coming to New York for you because clearly he didn't want to do that. But when I see him, he just lights up. It was such a joy that he was with you. He really. He loves you. He agrees with you. He so respects you.

He loves your books. He gave your book to some family members. He had a great time. You know, I make him have a great time despite himself. I mean, I'm a professional entertainer, and I entertain him. 24-7. But neither of you stayed from my duet with James O'Keefe. I'm going to try to get over that.

I didn't know about it. I know. Nobody told us. I know. It's really, and for many people, it was the highlight. Many people,

when they heard us sing, they were slain in the spirit. Stuff happened. It was manifestations. It was unbelievable. Crazy stuff. Crazy stuff. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, anyway, and so you didn't even hear me sing with Melanie Penn. No, I did. Oh, you saw that. Oh, that's why you left. You're like, you know what?

I've heard it. No, she has a very good voice. Oh, her dress. And you have a good one, too. She had the prettiest dress on. She looked like a sparkly diamond from Evan. No, her dress on Instagram, people should know Melanie Penn.

She's an amazing Christian singer-songwriter, P-E-N-N, Melanie Penn. She is an amazing singer-songwriter. She's just had another album. She has this heavenly Christmas album that she wrote the whole thing herself, and it's the point of view of different people in the Christmas story, all very, you know, Jesus-focused, so beautiful. And she said that she got that amazing dress that everybody was raving about

for like $60 on The Real Real or some crazy thing like that. And Suzanne, my wife, had a very similar, a different but similar. And, you know, it's such a beautiful thing. People get dressed up. And, I mean, it really was so special. It was so special. Suzanne was gorgeous. I was just going to say she was sparkling like Melanie, like,

like her dress was like, oh. And your daughter, Anna Rose. He was. That's her public name. We don't tell her real name. But go ahead. Yeah. She looked so gorgeous and grown up and sophisticated. Oh, my goodness.

It's all an act, Vicki. It's all an act. Let me just tell you. It's all an act. Well, no, honestly, there were so many friends and it just, you know, when do we get to do that? It was just, it was so delightful. And dressing up is hard work and uncomfortable, but it's so fun. It's fun to see my husband in a tux. I mean men look so nice and tuxes and and it's very it's very nice to do once in a while even though Listen I mean in case anybody doesn't already know this not so long ago Tuxedos that was just called a dinner jacket every man going to dinner put on a

Dinner jacket so during the day of course you wore a suit and tie But if you would go to a dinner you'd wear a dinner you'd wear a a dinner jacket and at some point somebody decided to call them tuxedos, but it's just a dinner jacket and it dresses everybody up. Everybody looks somehow elevated by it and if you own one, you don't really have to think about it.

He go, there's tuxedo. I put it on. Put it on. Eric, if we have one minute left, can I bring up something? What if we have 10 minutes left? Okay, this is a great topic. I was very affected by Charlie Kirk's martyrdom. I was so affected on so many levels. And I noticed it kind of split the church.

I have Christian friends who, well, actually a pastor in church, I will not name, fluffed it off, called him an political. activist. Is his name? I'm just guessing, Father Beelzebub. Yeah. I'm just guessing. Maybe, maybe that's just a silly guess. Okay, okay. This pastor, wait, wait, he insinuated that Charlie asked for it. And I. Okay, now look, Vicky, from the beginning of time, there have been pastors and priests and theologians who have been ignorant, who have said the wrong things. I don't really know why we need to take them seriously. And I say this over and over, ladies and gentlemen, if you're going to a church, I mean, sometimes you have a clear litmus test. If your pastor did not know that Charlie Kirk was a glorious

force for good, he was a friend of mine. Trust me, I can tell you all the bad stuff about Charlie Kirk. There's almost nothing. He was a human being, but he was never guilty of any. of the stuff that people would say that he was racist or absolutely not. I loved him, adored him, respected him. And he, I mean, anybody knows me, knows that if anybody were actually racist, I wrote a book about William Wolberforce. I wrote a book about Bonhofer. I mean, if that were true, I would be the first one to call it out.

Of course not. None of it's true. But you have tremendous ignorance in America. and unfortunately in the church. But I don't see the church as being divided. I mean, I see that if you're going to a church like that, leave the church, folks. If your pastor is that ignorant,

I don't know what you're doing sitting under his quote unquote teaching. I don't get that. I agree. So there were several moments of contention because of this. And I just want to stand up and say, Charlie Kirk, I want to be like you. You are the greatest evangelist of my time. You went into the lion's den with love. And Charlie Kirk, you know, asked people, tell me, you know, what you disagree with. And with pure love would preach God's word and tell them why he believed the way he

did. I watched all of his videos after he died. And if only pastors could be like Charlie Kirk. And I was very hurt by these couple instances. One lady in my Bible study called him a racist. Okay, look, let me call her a racist and a Satanist. Is it true? Is it true? People just throw words around. I know, I know. I know. Let me tell. No, no, I know. But I mean, isn't it kind of amazing, though, that somebody would say that about Charlie Kirk? Wow. Here's how she twists it. Here's my, I memorized this one encounter. A black girl says to Charlie, why won't you acknowledge your what privilege? And he says, is there anything I can do that you can't? And she goes, no. And he goes,

Now to me, that is brilliant Socratic method. Asking questions. Jesus asked questions. Black people can do everything white people can do. They are president. They are, you know, and Shobah's, there is, we are equal. There used to be slaves in lots of different countries. Jews were slaves.

Lots of people were slaves. White people were like, but here's the thing. I thought that was a beautiful exchange and to the point. And then her mind twists it into racist. And I don't understand the liberal mind. I don't understand. Well, they don't understand what racism is. They really don't understand what racism is.

They've never said. I mean, they need to see real racism, but they haven't. So they call people that they don't agree with racist and shame on them. it's yeah it's grievous stuff oh so then my other thing is there's a group of people called third wayism have you heard a third way is oh my i've spoken my whole book letter to the american church and the sequel religionless christianity is implicitly a criticism of third wayism absolutely that's what my whole two books are about yes that's what i thought we gave that to our friend who is a third wayism. And I feel like if you don't vote, you know, it's people who say, well, I'm not left or right.

I'm just going to let satanic evil take over. Isn't that the Lord's will? No, it's not. Yeah, I know. And then there's, and I say, if you don't vote, it is a vote. And I've heard out what the next thing I was going to say. Anyway, I think you explain it better than anyone. And I would like the the Christians who don't get this to wake up. I don't see how you can vote for someone who is pro-antichrist things. And be a Christian, I don't understand that. Well, that makes two of us. I think I just, I'm just glad you were able to come on today

because when I saw the other day at this event, I thought it's just so much fun to talk. talk to you and I wanted to talk to you. I want to talk to you about the event and I you know I should say before we go folks um this is this is Christmas uh and everybody needs Christmas gifts and I don't do this enough the only reason I'm able to be on the air right now is because we have a number of sponsors one of them one of the biggest ones is Mike Lindell mypillow.com and my store dot com. Almost all of my books, the best prices for them is at my store.com. You have to use the discount code Eric.

But if you want to support the American hero known as Mike Lindell, support him at mypillow.com and my store.com. Use the code Eric. That helps to support this program. We need to help. I'm not ashamed to say it. Vicki, any final thoughts? It just makes me happy that you're with a thing. Yes.

My final thought is, there's better light over here. My final thought is to leave everyone on a happy note. I'm finishing my book called Not Dead Yet. And it's going to be out soon, maybe in a month on Amazon. And it's my collection of handstands from my whole life, childhood to getting my crypt at the cemetery. Handstands in Greece with Eric's Cruz, handstands in front of a mosque in Istanbul, handstands at Johnny Carson, Saturday. And it has all my poetry next to it.

And I know people, oh, and stories. And I know people don't like to read other people's poetry. I only like to read my own. But I must say, Eric, you have great poetry on your website that you wrote. It's funny. It's about animals. I try to keep that a secret. That's why I hide it on my website. Ericmetaxis.com. I have written quite a bit of poetry and light verse over the years.

There are some good ones there. There's some ones there that I'm really proud of. I think one of my favorite ones is Barry the Seagull. But yeah, there's a whole bunch of them. I need to publish them in a book at some point. Thank you for reminding me. Eric, I like the one of me. the mouse who never wants to leave the house.

Gorganzola was a mouse. Italianate in all her ways. I won't keep going. Yeah, Gorgonzola the mouse. Gorgonzola was a mouse Italianate in all her ways. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. No, no. No, no. I forgot.

I've written two mouse poems. No, no. It had agoraphobia. Basically, but I don't use the word agoraphobia. I know. That's why I love it. I speak about it more obliquely. I know.

I like oblique. I like that. It did not. Well, if anybody wants to read my poems, folks, go to Ericmetaxis.com under writings. It's all there. Some of them, I'm glad you reminded me. Some of them are a lot of fun and I rarely share them.

So thank you, Vicky. I think we have to. say goodbye, but you just make me so happy. And you look so Christmassy and festive. Thank you for just wearing that amazing bow. Not many people can pull off these amazing bows. Why'd you take it off? Because now I'm going back into my real life. Oh, okay. All right. Well, listen, we love you. We'll talk to you again. I just makes me so happy to see you. God bless you. Merry Christmas, sister. This Christmas as we celebrate the Supercentennial coming up, Supercentennial. 20th, there's no way, better no way to support it than by supporting my friend, an American

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