The Eric Metaxas Show - #25 - Mike Lindell

Episode Date: December 17, 2025

Mike Lindell joins me to announce his run for governor of Minnesota and to lay out why he says election integrity is the number one issue facing the country. We also discuss paper ballots, voting machine manipulation, and the Tina Peters case. TIMESTAMPS(0:00) Intro(3:02) Mike Lindell Joins(4:12) Lindell Runs For Governor(14:51) Election Integrity Update(22:11) Tina Peters Case(33:07) Minnesota Fraud And DOJ(41:41) MyPillow Attacks And PlansSecure Your Future with a Gold IRA: http://metaxasgoldira.com MyPillow — Save BIG with code ERIC: http://mypillow.com ten Boom Coffee— Save 10% with code ERIC: http://tenboom.coffee Christian Solidarity International: http://csi-usa.org/metaxas/ Legal Help Center - Get Free Legal Help Today: http://legalhelpcenter.com Help Save Lives in Israel Today: http://savinglifeisrael.org

Hey there, folks. In just a moment, I know it's hard to believe. I have as my guest, Mike Lindell. Ladies and gentlemen, he's got some news. I think most people, I'm not going to spoil it. He's got some news, some big news, big crazy news, fun news, exciting news. So in a couple seconds, my friend Mike Lindell will be on here. You're, I'm, okay, I'm dying to tell you, but I'm going to I'm going to make you wait for a minute and a half to hear directly from Mike Lindell. I want to remind you before that, we have a new sponsor on the program. It's called Genesis Gold. I want to ask you personally to do me a favor and go to metaxis gold IRA.com.

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You want the crazy? I bring the crazy. I talk about all the stuff. Well, it's not crazy. It's true. But the mainstream media, Fox News, you know, they consider this kind of stuff crazy. For example, that the 2020 election was stolen.

I knew when it happened that it was stolen, or at least it seemed obvious that something fishy was going on. And then if you needed proof, everybody told you, oh, you can't talk about that. I thought, well, in America, when you tell me I can't talk about something, it seems to me like you're probably hiding something. So, you know, we're going to have a full audit. So here we are five years later.

And it seems like it's all coming out. And who's been at the forefront of asking the questions and digging into it is our friend, Mike Lindell, and it's my privilege to have him with us today. Mike, welcome back. Well, thanks, Eric. And you're exactly right. and just said it a few days ago, all the stuff that we had back then, and it's going to be pouring out. He just said it to, I think two days ago. You wait to see what's coming.

Well, there's a lot of headlines here. I want to talk to you, but there's, sometimes there's too many headlines. Right. You, sir, are running for governor in Minnesota. Did I make that up? Did I read that in the inquirer? Is this true? It is 100% true. I announced on Thursday, everybody. You can check it out, Mike Lindalegov.com. Check it out. I gave the speech. I was actually not, I lost my voice, but I got through it. And then we had the big governor's convention here. I forget what it is, where all the candidates were there. And I had to speak on Saturday. And two days into the campaign, I was in the top three, and that's what doing nothing. These guys have been campaigning for four or five months. So I'm very excited. I plan on winning.

Minnesota needs As everyone knows Minnesota is the tip of the spear right now The fraud and the stuff that's coming down It's just it's the doors It's opening up. It's amazing I want to I mean listen I want to talk to you about A lot of stuff obviously I want to talk to you about this

I want to talk to you about the election thing But because The bombshell that President Trump Came up with on the stolen 2020 election I really want to talk to you about that But before that since you've mentioned That you're running for governor the obvious questions that most people would have, myself included, would include the fact that

Minnesota is such a blue state that on the surface of it, it would seem that it would be extremely difficult for someone like you to get elected. What do you say to that? I say it. It's just the opposite. This is the perfect time in history. Okay. We've been blue since 1972, but we've done.

do know in the 2016 election and the 2020 election, probably even 2024. Minnesota was what we would have went to Donald Trump if you took out the election crime. This is something that we do know. But all that aside, let's put that aside. You have so much now, like it was 4%, even with the election fraud in 2024, Donald Trump lost by 4%. Now, in the midterms, let's just talk about the midterms. In the 22 midterms, 140,000 people that voted for Donald Trump did not vote in the 2022 midterms.

Okay. Wait a minute. Say that, say that one more time. 140,000 people that voted for Donald Trump in 2020 did not bother to vote in the 2022 election. So now think of this. In 2024, those same, those people came back. and voted for Donald Trump again. But now I have to get them and I will get them engaged.

I know who they are. If I have to knock on every door, Eric, I will get them. They will get out and vote. This is midterm and myself as governor the most important election Minnesota will ever have. This is it. It's critical. I also...

Well, sorry, go ahead. I also, the inner city, the vote, the Democrat vote and the independent. I believe, Eric, that I have access to that more than anyone. You know, the stuff that I've done where I went into the inner cities, when I came out of addiction, I have all kinds of plans to help what can help the inner city, can help the box stores out, the empty buildings downtown, addiction, you name it, I've got the plan to cover that. And I'm telling you that the biggest problem with the, that the, to poll the, it's like we did in Chicago

when I went there for the Democrat convention, me and the mayor, Rudy Giuliani, in downtown and we question people, the blacks and the Spanics, pure legally, of course, why are you voting for Donald Trump? And they said, a lot of them didn't even like them. But the number one reason was the illegals are taking all of our resources, including help with addiction, the medical facilities, you name it, not just anything that they need it. And here in Minneapolis, it's even, and Minnesota, it's even more pronounced. Not only are these programs, all the fraud, where they stole it all. but the people that it was allocated for did not get it.

So these things, with the programs I would put in immediately, I think we could pull those vote. Democrats end up in the business, bring them all together. And then, of course, you have our governor, we don't even know if also be here with all the crime that's been going on and how much was he involved. I want to say that, you know, there's certain things you can't say enough and people don't say this much at all, so I'll say it.

It's been my discernment, let's say, over the last five years, that the number one problem in America, and there's a lot of candidates for number one problem in America, but the perception problem. In other words, the mainstream media and the left have created an illusion, a lie, that were a divided country and that half the country is with them, that they represent half the country. And we realize that most of this is fraudulent. In other words, most average Americans do not side with the radical left. And when we say radical left, you know, on the transgender issue, on open borders, on everything, most average Americans would not side with them. But they have had a monopoly in the mainstream media. They have created a culture of tremendous corruption. So taking taxpayer dollars to prop up their Potemkin villages everywhere to fool us into thinking that tons of people agree with them and whatever.

Voter fraud is yet another example of that. We say, well, Minnesota is a very blue. And you're telling us, well, no, it's not. And if we knew the actual numbers, I mean, let's start there, Mike. If we just knew what are the legitimate votes, let's say in a place like California, what would the numbers be in California? if no illegals had voted and there was no cheating, what would the numbers be? Maybe Trump would have lost, but would it be by 1%, it wouldn't, you know? Interesting, you asked me that, Eric, because we do know those numbers.

And how do I know those numbers? Because in the 2022 election, when DeSantis won in Florida, we had checked my cyber guy, we had checked all over Florida. And remember, he won Miami-Dade County. And I questioned it. I said, you know, I question, I don't care of good or bad. If you got to question deviation, that was a deviation. Now, for some reason, there was no computer crime.

Because remember everybody, I got the Calsport records for the whole United States, or at least we got about, not the whole United States. We got about one third of the 2022 election, but we were able to get all of Florida. And then that was the one places we found where there was no computer manipulation. Okay. So if you took what we go, we went, wow, we finally have an example. What would this country be like if you had no computer manipulation? And, you know, we don't know if there was how much other fraud there was, Eric, so there is that plus or minus.

But we took that and extrapolated across the country. It's about 65% red. So this is what means is if you take places that are, you know, I was going, oh, it's close 50, 55. 50-50, that's a lie. It's 65%. Well, no, you're corroborating what my instinct has been. Right. It's that they have used their power corruptly, obviously, to create a fake the country's divided.

The illusion that the countries divide it, that's not true. It's 60. And remember, that's 65% just based on that election. If you, you know, that 20-22 election and what happened in Florida, because it didn't make sense. And now if you also take the illegals, think of this. Now you're taking the illegals away and you're taking, and let's say you're taking,

take away like over 100 countries have banned mail-in voting and early voting. So if you get down to secure elections, I believe it's like 70%, which means that, hey, we all want, you know, good, joyful lives while we're here, but we all want the same thing. Nobody wants this, transgender. and all this garbage. That's a fringe craziness that the media is telling us.

So they could take that 15%, Eric, and that 15%, and that's been getting bigger every year. And they need to do more and more ways to cheat and to convince us to brainwashes that it could happen. Now, did Donald Trump win California with that taken out? I don't know. If I was to bet, I would say it might be close, but I can't say that definitive.

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God bless you. Well, again, what you're saying, which doesn't particularly surprise me, but we're laboring against a narrative that has so much money and power behind it that there are many people that they can't bear to take in what you've just said. They can't even bear to examine whether it's true because it can't be true. It just can't be true. The fact is it is almost certainly true, at least to some extent, probably to the whole extent, but even to some extent that when you talk about the illegals, when you talk about,

and Mike, you know this. The illegals, they were, it's like they go to an old folks home and they take them by the hand on a bus and they tell them who to vote for. Nothing's left to chance. In other words, this is a huge operation. The Democratic Party has been very corrupt. with regard to elections since forever. I mean, this is kind of what they do,

and they have a very cynical view. They're not all about George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. They're about, we need to do what we need to do. And they do it. And I think that right now, obviously, there are a number of fronts in this war for election integrity.

So I guess my question is, what is your sense of where the president is on this? What is being done? Because, again, we believe that if we could at least have fair elections. My attitude is like if in a fair election, Joe Biden were elected, I'm fine with that. In other words, as long as it's a fair election,

I know Joe Biden is the greatest disaster we've ever had. But the point is, at least I know it was fair. We know it wasn't fair. So my question is, what do you think is being done realistically? Because you know that more and more people, we've become very impatient. We're kind of waiting. You know, when President Trump says,

we have truckloads and information suddenly I'm thinking, okay, I'm looking at my watch. When is it going to come out? Who's going to go to jail? What's going on? Well, there's nobody more impatient than me. I've had to learn that from God that over these last five years. If you look up patients, you don't see my picture. I've had to learn that.

Okay, this is on God's timing, not ours. But I will tell you this. It is the president's weight on it, number one priority. Okay. I talked to him quite often, as you know, but he's even said it about three weeks ago. It's his number one. Now, where are we out with all of it?

Right now, the stuff, you know, it's been, you know, when I brought him everything we had for four and a half years, that was last February, March or whatever, the things that have been going on now, when he said that this week, yes, this will all be coming out. Huge things about the machine companies. The stuff came out about Smartmatic.

And the problem is, here's the biggest thing, the stuff that's coming out and then his came out even in the last month, like Katrina, Peter, stuff with SmartMatic and Venezuela. If Fox News, you're never going to have Fox News and Newsmax talking about this, everybody. This is really important to know. Will the rest of the media talk about it? The position we're in is we have big voices now with all the podcasters and all the social media sites and not just Suckerbuckabucks, Facebook, and Jack Dorsey's Twitter. We have Elon Musk with his mouth.

When this stuff comes out, Eric, and it's coming out very soon, needs to be magnified to get everybody, all people, not just a mega, but all people going, hey, we want secure elections. We are okay with who wins. We want secure elections. And I will tell everybody, this is something you probably don't know. Just last week, I was let the president know. I said, hey, we made great strides on the ground.

And I let him know that Dallas County, Texas, went to paper ballots and counted no machines in this upcoming primary in February. You guys, this is one of the biggest counties in Texas. And this is going to set a prototype and a set of precedence for the rest of the country. Wow, it can be done in a big county. There was so much pushback, Eric, but the president came out with this truth. And it went through. this is just last week, but you don't hear about this. Five counties in Texas, also paper ballots, hand-counting.

You guys, don't confuse yourself with hand-marked paper ballots. Oh, yeah, we have them and ours. We have hand-marked paper ballots. Well, good for you, special, okay? You got them counted by machines. Right. You got them counted by- Well, that's what we have in New York.

You fill it out, and then you take it over to the guy, and he puts it through the machine. So suddenly, what does it matter? Right. that it was filled up by your hand, because now you have the question, what is the machine doing? This machine, it's a gigantic computer, and it's hard for me to trust that, to take that seriously. 132 countries have banned electronic voting machine. The last one being Argentina.

We've developed, Eric, my teams have developed the best hand-counting systems in the world. Remember, there's 300,000 people on the ground with the cause of America, the teams they have across all 50 states. What is that? The cause of America. It's all about the elections, you guys. All about they're working tirelessly every day in every county in this country. And from the ground up, we've been doing it.

These are, these are conservatives. These are people that love America. Yeah, these are people that love America. I haven't heard about this. I know, it's a cause of America. I started it back in, in, in, or 2021, everybody. Cause of America. Cause of America.

You guys, if you go to vocal, if you go to vocal.com, V-O-C-L-O-C-L.com. That's their social media site. V-O-C-L dot com. Vocal.com. Social media side. Bigger than, bigger than, or better than Facebook. Plus, you got the Cosm America there and the election crime bureau.

You guys should, everybody can stay involved so you see what's going on. The progress being made in every single county and state in the country. And it's so important that we have that level, plus the president working from the top down. over, like I say, 132 countries have banned electronic voting machine. We took their hand-counting systems, Eric. I met with France, Germany, the Netherlands, Argentina, Taiwan. We took all best practices, put them together,

and we have the best hand-counting system the world has ever seen. They had done the same time as machines. Actually, earlier, you know, along sometimes it takes for voting machines to count, right? And with 100% or most of it 100% accuracy, I believe it's 100% because if there's something wrong, you just rewind the tape in an audit. It's a beautiful system. We've done it in many counties in the country already, even in the last election in 2024. And they were done the same time as machines, 100% accuracy.

You just don't hear about it because the mainstream media, remember, is still not there. They don't, you know, you talk about that and they're going. and, oh, you know, there's no problem. Nobody wants to believe the problem in our elections, but we as the people, now all people, believe that that's the number one problem, and so does our polls it. I'm sure that it is. It's, well, let me ask you, I want to just jump to, I was with you at Mar-a-Lago a few years ago,

and you introduced me to your friend, Tina Peters. Yep. And I remember meeting her. and of course now most people in America are aware of her. Can you talk about what's going on with her right now? It's such a scandal that we're living in the country where this is possible. She's an American hero, good friend, and she did her job. By the way, she wasn't, she's a gold star mom, the grandma, 70 years old,

and all she did was do her backup in the state of Colorado of her machines when they came in to illegally delete the whole 2020 election. Now, what happened was then when this judge illegally put her in prison and didn't let her put any of this evidence out, remember she, the copies on Lindeltv.com, by the way, what she took a copy of shows all the evidence you'd ever want to see for the 2020 election. It's all there. It's been posted on Lindel TV for two years. But anyway, she put in prison, the president this spring, when I talked to him,

And he was going to get her out with the, I said, the easiest way would be under the federal witness protection program. I thought you could just go right in there and take her out. And she's a federal witness against Crooked Jenna Griswold. The secretary of state, the crimes she committed against not just the state of Colorado, but federal crimes. Because you have to hold the data for 22 months by federal law. The state of Colorado deleted them along with the Dominion. Okay. Why hasn't President Trump done that? He has to, I'm getting to that.

He tried. He was going to do that, but here's the problem. That's at the state level. This has been going on since last spring. At the state level, it should have been easy to do. And the state stopped at the governor, polis, this crooked governor that they have in Colorado. This is probably the tip of the spear of evil and politics, a political prisoner, what they've done to her.

And you have atrocities they've done to her. is beyond belief. She's got part of one lung or she's got lung problems. She, they've, the stuff they've done is horrific to her. They want to, they don't want her alive. They want her. She's a witness. It's why she's never stopped. The judge said to her when he said, if you'd shut up, if you'd shut up about this stuff, I believe you're a threat to American democracy. You don't even get to get out pending your appeal. And because they know she's got all day, you know, once you see what we know, and once you see, you're not going to back down and say, Oh, okay, I'll do it. I'll do it. I won't say anything bad about the election stuff.

And anyway, the president then, now he just last week, it would take a long time to explain all this has been going on every month. He reached out to Colorado to get their election records and they basically said, we ain't given you nothing. By the way, same thing Minnesota did in other states telling the president, we're not giving you your federal election records they're supposed to keep for 20, two months. Colorado's deleted everything. They did three months after the election or four, five months after now that what he just did everybody is he pardoned Tina Peters last week. So he did pardon her everybody. Now what's going to happen? I'll tell you next steps. The Peter Tinkton, you guys could look at the instincting that Tina Peters, whatever, he had attorneys. Now he's taken that. He wrote a letter of the president said,

how we can do this. This will be a constitutional, it could set of precedence, actually, Eric, that the government for the president of the United States to pardon someone at the state level, if you go back in our constitution, they believe, and we believe, that he has the power to do that. But you've never had this problem before, because normally you don't have two divisions within our government where, you know, what state would ever say? say to the president, yeah, you override us. Go ahead. You can take, you know, pardon this person. It's beyond belief what's been going on with those criminals in Colorado. So I believe that's going to come to a head too. Hopefully it doesn't drag out in court, but this will, this is,

we're in, by the way, the evidence is coming out. It should be just like this, Eric, too. When this evidence comes out over the next couple weeks, I'm hoping over the next couple weeks, but let's say two to four weeks, as this evidence, the president said, pouring out. That also should be, hey, Tina Peters, you're 100% innocent. It's kind of like my cousin Vinny. In light of the new evidence, case dismissed, you know, they should pour her out, give her the Patriot Award or whatever, and the president. But Mike, I guess a part of, you know, the other question, is we're talking about a level of corruption so foul, so foul.

And corruption is a nice word because we're talking about crimes. In other words, the Griswold in Colorado, these are crimes. Is there no way to prosecute these people, to hold them to account? These are crimes. 100%. She will go, these are the people, when I've been saying for four and a half years that's melt on the machines, turn them into prison bar. She would be number one.

I would put her number one. I mean, she's her, you're, and, you know, all the stuff going on in Minnesota. I mean, all these things, people say, why aren't these people getting prosecuted? I know, well, you know, here's the deal. You're gathering, gathering, gathering, gathering, evidence and things. I mean, I believe that they're all going to get prosecuted. But for me, there's things that are higher than that. And that's, let's secure our elections.

You got to secure our elections on parallel track here. We've got to fix it like anything. Let's secure the elections. And I get to paperbell and say in color before these midterms as much as we can. Let's get Tina out of prison, get her, you know, get the. And then at the same time, all these people, will get prosecuted. Like, you know, I'll give an example.

Look at Elon Omar in my home state here, Minnesota. You guys, we've been telling everybody she married her brother for five years. We've been having problems with the Somalians and stuff for a long, long time. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Hey, if we're honest, we've all married our brothers at some point, folks. We're not judging. But the fact of the matter is, like, this is actually true. This is fraud.

It's true. It's a crime. And they're gaming the system because most Americans are so nice that we're kind of like, well, come on in. And everybody's the same. These people are taking advantage, dramatically, taking advantage of the suckers in this country. Hey there, folks. Okay, it's time to speak plainly.

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with the fraud perpetrated by so many Somalis? What is your sense of where this goes now? Well, I know where I think it's going to go. I think Elon Omar will be, I believe that she will be arrested. I believe Keith Ellison was in on the Attorney General of the state of Minnesota, the one that's attacked my recovery network. I believe Waltz either either, and I think about this, everybody, Waltz is a governor.

Either if, let's just say you were, you knew plausible denial, you knew nothing, okay? Well, you know what? You are guilty of the biggest neglect of your duty in history that. You're the worst governor that ever walked. If you actually let this go on and didn't bother and check. Okay, but Mike, it's not a crime to be a crummy governor. No, we know. I'm just saying that there's two things here.

We believe he did commit. There hasn't come out yet, but I believe that he was in on it or at least let it happen. Now, he's at a crime for him allowing it to happen when he was warned by many whistleblowers have come forth to say, Waltz knew about it, Waltz knew about it, Waltz knew about it, but to protect his little vote, he didn't do anything. So I don't know what's a crime. Well, that would be a crime. I think that would be a crime.

I would think it would be. I think Elon Omar has definitely committed so many crimes. Mike, we've been hearing for years, right? So I'm going to be the voice of the people here. We've all been hearing, oh, so-and-so should be arrested. No one has been arrested. I mean, you're probably friends with Pam Bondi. Is she up to this?

What is going on? Everybody in America wants to know, why haven't we seen actually? I this is why I guess um patience I you know I know everybody's going um okay do you want to go in a you know you've seen I'll tell you what I was surprised I'll give an example I just looked up our because I'm running for governor myself I looked up all the things that are going wrong with our education in Minnesota and here Pam just served something four years or four days ago they just got served that I believe was the teachers unions in Minnesota So I'm going, wow, they're even working over here.

I think there's so much, I think it's so horizontal, Eric, that beyond belief that, hey, you got, do you have enough manpower? I don't know, you know, you can start charging here, but I think there's so much here. You've got to do, that's what I'm saying. No, is it. A triage. Yeah, yeah, I think that there's so much to do. I know. Listen, everybody, I mean, I shouldn't say everybody, but speaking for myself, I want to

believe Pam Bonnie's up for the job. She's the right person for the job. But at some point, you expect to see things. And so patience is good if ultimately it's rewarded. But I think there are a lot of people that kind of begin to wonder, are they doing what they need to be doing? I was speaking at the Museum of the Bible three weeks ago and she came up and talked to me. And she said, Mike, she said, just people can be patient. She said there's so much going on. It's so wide. And so, you know, so I have to believe her. I'm praying that she can get it done. If not, as for more help.

I mean, you know, if it's this big, there's no. Well, this is the question is that is President Trump, I believe he posted on Truth Social about a week ago pushing Pam Bondi. Yeah. Like saying, come on. Yeah. Now, for the President of the United States to have to do that with his own attorney general, that's very strange to me.

I don't know what to make of that. You know, I don't either. I've been friends with Pam a long time, but I'm not in the midst of that, you know, so what's going on there. But I can tell you this, you know, the president, I mean, he's not, he's, he knows there's, we get one shot everybody. This is it. Right now, God's opening doors that no man can shut that we, they're just revealing all

the crime and corruption. And that has to be opened up for how deep does it go? You know, and I just think that, you know, how patient will he be? You know, how patient will the people be? I know there's a lot of people out there going, how come nobody's getting charged yet? How come no one's getting charged? Well, again, I have no problem waiting if in the end there are results. But I think the problem people have is they're wondering, should I be patient or should I be

screaming more so that either Pam does her job or the president replaces her. We don't know the answer to that. I don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Yeah, we don't know that everybody. And I think we just got to trust our president's judgment. That's correct. And that I do. You've got to just, I've never met anybody in my life.

And we've become very good friends that has discernment like he to, you guys got to realize, too. He's one of the things people don't know about our president. he will listen in a room and take stuff in and it's like a gift from God of a problem solution and he'll see what it's going to manifest to long before anyone will and if something is going the wrong direction he is you know is there mistakes made if there is but like any business

but he's the best that I think that I've ever seen where hey we'll get a shift over here I'm going to make a move so bold here and that this that you know to to correct the path if it would start going down that path I want to say listen I I don't think there's anybody who loves this president more than I do I love this man and I you know I think he's a George Washington figure he is we are living in an existential crisis I keep saying it's the third of our history the first is the revolution the second is the civil war and he is

leading us in this. I believe God has appointed him for such a time as this. And again, you know, you have to say it doesn't mean he's perfect. But I think that he is God's man. He has been chosen. He's like a father of the country right now. And that most people get that. And so I always just think like if there's ever anything I can do to help him,

because so many of us, we love this country. We love this country. and we are so proud of this country and of this president. And so I think most of us are hopeful. But at times, you know, we do have questions. What's going on? You guys realize that there's no president that could be taking. Imagine 30 races going on at the same time.

He amazes me that, you know, I'll bring him stuff or talk to him about stuff. I'm going, at the time I, you know, got their meeting. It's already, it's already been started or done. It's like, you know, there's so many things going on. I mean, his day is just filled with thought. What is, what is better? What is a greater gift from God to have Donald Trump, not working day and night for the Trump organization, but working day and night for the United States of America?

I'm a shareholder in the United States of America. He is working day and night. It's amazing. To bless us. And frankly, to bless the whole world because the stronger, more powerful America is the more the whole world will be blessed. I mean, that's the, you know, a little secret. People don't know. Hey there, folks. Quick word from today's sponsor. When you hear about rockets, drones, missiles, or a terror attack in Israel,

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And thanks, Eric. And that helps my employee own company, My Pillow. And you guys, we have over 250 products. We're not just pillows anymore to all your Christmas shopping. But that's when you ask me about Governor and I know you are the, I want to tell you one thing. The reason I waited everybody, my pillow is the most attack company in history of any company. By our own government. Excuse me, Mike.

People think you're being hyperbolic. Mike is not being hyperbolic, folks. This is true. Think about what he just said. Think about what he said. Because he is public enemy number one for the people who are stealing our elections, whatever, they have gone after Mike Lindell, which is why I ask you to help him by going to mypillow.com, my store.com, please.

In other words, if you want to know, what can I do to help, Mike, you've been fighting for us. And I'm aware of this. And that's why I just think, like, people need to know. know that if you care about America, you are one of the chief people fighting for election integrity and for so much else. We're not making this up. This is not hyperbole, folks. I just want you to understand that we don't blow smoke on this program. This is true. So when you just said that my pillow has been the most attack, you're not, you don't mean this metaphorically. You mean literally the most attack, like genuinely. Debag, de-merchant server, American Express

people. The government even went to our vendors. It's called Operation Arctic They went to my pillow's vendors in 22 and 23 and went to my vendors, even my overseas one, went to their banks and said, if you do business with my pillow, you're getting cut off. So we were cut off, not only our own banks, but cut off, our merchants were cut off, my vendors were cut off, my towel companies, my sheet companies. I mean, this affected all of us. They did it, Eric, to the tune of over $200 million. My employee owned company just, I mean, we can actually show that.

And this is why I said, people said to me, I just announced I was running for governor a couple days ago, three days ago now. And they said, why did you get in the race so late? I said, well, my wife and I, we prayed since August. And I said, God, I said, I need my pillow to be stable that I can, because I got, when I go into something, I go 100% all in. And I could not leave them as they keep getting blown full of holes every day attack, every day my pillow attack. but we've made it through by the grace of God and the support around the country of people buying our great product. And so finally, right, it was like a week ago before Thanksgiving. I feel that I can actually say my pillow is stable.

It will say stable. But they're just for them to get through the last four and a half years. Well, look, again, I know that what you have survived, what you have fought, most people just don't know. The mainstream media, Fox News is not covering this stuff, folks. And I want to say again, I don't want to embarrass you. You're an American hero. You've been fighting for all of us. Like President Trump, you've been fighting for all of us.

We're all the beneficiaries of your maniacal energy, of your bulldog determination. We are all the beneficiaries of that. And so I want my audience to support you. Folks, go to mypillow.com, my store.com. Use the code, Eric. And I want to say, Mike, you know, to me, what a dream it would be. We talk about a golden age of America. what a dream it would be.

We can't even really believe. What would it be like if somebody like you were the governor of Minnesota? What a world we would live in. I mean, so many of us have been so thrilled about, you know, Ronda Santis, like Florida's doing so great. Imagine if you had more than one governor in America. If you had 20 governors in America who were just absolutely fire-breathing, liberty-loving, God-loving, America-loving patriots who care about America, what would the world look like?

What would this country look like? So Mike, just the thought of you running, I just get happy at the very idea of it. It's just like a dream. Yeah, it would bring back a lot of common sense, everybody. And, you know, I watch the president, and I work with him so much where I see, you know, running it like a business like he has is a whole difference.

People say, well, Mike, what does Mike Lundell know about being a politician? You know what? I've met more politicians and more immersed in politics the last five years than probably anyone on the planet. I've met hundreds and hundreds and been immersed in this. I don't want to be a politician. I want to be a great leader. And I will be the most transparent governor and leader you've ever seen. I mean, and one of the things, like I said earlier, when I manage my businesses, you know, and even Lindel TV, starting that from scratch, everything I've done for scratch, not only building it, but able to withstand blows and fix things, and secure things, I micro and macro manage. That's what a governor needs

to do. You need to, micro and macro manage. You look at every piece. You don't leave education behind or the inner city over here or this over here and just say, oh, I'm just going to, I'm the governor. No, you look at these things and when you see deviations, you better find out what happening. You need a different input to get a different output. And Eric, I'll tell you, I'll do a little campaign. Anything you could bring up, that cinema could bring up in Minnesota here, you know, let's and say, hey, what would you do for this problem? Not only do I have the answer, but I have the blueprints and we were already, where it's already been, almost been down. Give an example, the homeless and in the streets, mostly either with addiction or, you're

or let's say mental illness. Remember, in the early 1970s, they released three million people into the streets when they shut down the mental facilities around the country because of Geraldo and the movie One flew over to Kooko's Net. Well, that number now is extreme because you took these out of the mix. Well, when I was working with Ben Carson, when he was in HUD, and with the president,

they were taking us a new program, and they were going to start it in L.A. even the Democrats there, the mayor and the governor agreed. This was going to be an amazing program where you take everyone off the streets and you put them in its federal facilities things and you basically sort them for their needs. Hey, we're going to put the ones that need help here mentally over here with addiction here. And I think I know a little bit about addiction where the success is. You start helping out the private sector, the teen challenges, the Salvation Army, platforms that work.

And maybe you subsidize them, but when you do it, you don't say, take God out of it like they did in Minnesota here, tried to do it. But what I'm saying, Eric, is this program was shut down right before because of the China virus. I have all the blueprints for that. The blueprints are still there. These are plug-in systems that can be put in. And then here's another one. You have all the box stores and all the, I went down in Minneapolis a couple weeks ago. And by the way, went into an Apple store.

But the rest of these, we have the first mall in America in Southdale Mall. But I went in there, and one of the things, I used to have a store in this mall, and I was just, I'm going to, it's so sad because it's not, you know, years ago, it was so busy, but you're competing with the Internet now, plus nobody going downtown, people working from home, everybody ordering off Amazon. I have a complete system to bring back the people to fill those spaces again. You've got to level the field with buying it and internet. You know, I mean, it's a lot of problems. I want to talk to you more and more and more. We have to leave it there. I want to have you back soon because we're just touching, we're just touching on stuff.

So I want to have you back as soon as possible. My producer knows that, whether in a week or two weeks, I want to get you on here to continue this conversation. Meanwhile, folks, please, please go to mypillow.com, use the code Eric. Go to my store.com. Use the code, Eric. You're helping this program. Again, we're just getting relaunched with this new podcast, and you're helping an American hero, Mike Lindell.

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