The Eric Metaxas Show - #27 - Megan Basham

Episode Date: December 23, 2025

I spoke with @megbasham on the growing use of “power imbalance” narratives to redefine sin, agency, and accountability. She challenges the Marxist framings of victimhood, argue for moral clarity and personal responsibility, and warn that collapsing biblical categories ultimately harms both truth and genuine victims.Sponsors: Christian Solidarity International: http://csi-usa.org/metaxas/ Legal Help Center - Get Free Legal Help Today: http://legalhelpcenter.com Help Save Lives in Israel Today: http://savinglifeisrael.orgMyPillow — Save BIG with code ERIC: http://mypillow.com ten Boom Coffee— Save 10% with code ERIC: http://tenboom.coffeeSecure Your Future with a Gold IRA: http://metaxasgoldira.com

Well, hello. Merry Christmas. Welcome to this fireside chat. This is the Airman Taxes Show. I am here with my producer Chris Heimes. Chris, are you here? I am here. There you are. Are you?

Honestly, I'm looking like the ravages of holiday eating is. I just always want to tell people we've got a lot of key stuff that I have to cover right now. Like, I'm not going to get to cover this in other shows and whatever. So first of all, my guests in a few minutes, today is Megan Basham. You already know if she's coming on. We're going to be talking about everything. But I need to talk about what happened at Amfest.

I was not there this year. I want to talk about that. I want to talk about Tucker. I want to talk about Candace. What I really, really, really, really don't want to talk about is Tucker and Candice. I am honestly like so sick. I have no words to use a cliche. I have no words. So I need to touch on that. But before I do that, before I kind of lay out my thoughts on Amfest and where America is right now, I want to,

I know there are people out there who are looking for an easy, last minute, fantastic, impressive Christmas gift. And I thought of this yesterday. I'm still running in the cold around Central Park. yesterday I was running and I had this thought and I thought I should put it on Instagram but it was too cold for me to stop. So I thought I'll say it here. This would be a very impressive gift and it would be easy to do last minute.

Now, some of you already know this. We're doing an annual campaign right now with CSI. That's Christian Solidarity International to free slaves in southern Sudan. I will not right now get into that other than to say, if you go to ericmettaxas.com, if you click on the banner, it's a little tricky because the banner,

it's like one of those moving banners, but you've got to like click on it and it'll take you to the page. Any amount you give, of course, is fantastic. But if you can give $250 or if you can pool together with your family to give $250, that frees a slave and sets them up in a life of freedom. not going to give you the details because we've given them on this program and you can find them on the YouTube channel there's all kinds of stuff and if you go to the page at ericmetaxis.com and you click it's all there but my point is you could today or tomorrow or the next day do that and get a printout

on your computer and to somebody say Merry Christmas in your name we have freed a slave this is our Christmas gift to you. if you do that, first of all, you're going to be freeing a slave, literally. I keep talking about people misusing or overusing the word literally, but there's a time to use it. That's why you shouldn't misuse it, literally freeing a slave from literal slavery. If you do that, imagine what an amazing Christmas gift that would be for somebody, like how impressive and beautiful. like there's just nothing negative to say about it. And it's something you can do.

It doesn't need to be mailed to you. The moment you do it online, whatever, you know, you can print it out and tell somebody, we did this in your name. So I wanted to say that up front because I know people looking for last many gifts. It is a, it's a, you know, it's a good amount of money. It's $250. But you're literally freeing a human being from slavery. And to do this as a family and to say to somebody, this is this is what we got you this year. We did this in your name.

I just think that's incredibly powerful. I was just telling Chris, Suzanne and I are going to break the bank this year and give a sacrificial amount. I won't say how much, $5 million. I will not say that. But we're going to give a sacrificial amount. I hope you know I was kidding about the amount. But sacrificial for us, what we're going to do, just because it's rare that there's a beautiful organization, this beautiful doing something, this beautiful, whatever. So I just want to say that

as a last minute Christmas gift idea. It's just a great thing. And so I cannot push it enough. Go to Eric Metaxus.com. You'll see the banner. There it is. You can do it. There's a phone number. I'll give this to you later. But that's number one. Number two, the other day I had Mike Lindell on and we were talking about almost all of my books are available at my store.com at super cheap prices. I was unfortunately wrong in saying that the Uncle Mugsy Christmas book is available. Those are sold out. They are not available. So I'm sorry about that because it's a gorgeous book.

We're going to have to try to get it reprinted. That's a whole story. But all the other books are available at my store.com. You've got to use the code Eric. If you use the code Eric, you help this program. We can use your help. If you go to MyPillow.com, anything you buy there, please use the code, Eric. Please, this program can use the help.

And of course, anything you buy blesses Mike Lindell, and he should be blessed if it's possible. The other day, I just wanted to bring this up again before. I'm going to be talking about Amfest in two seconds here. But I had a friend here. I can say his name, Kel Peterson. He's one of my dearest friends in the world. We met in 1998 at the 100th anniversary of C.S. Lewis's birth. And we became dearest friends.

And we'd been friends all these years. And he was here with us for a couple days in New York. And he was telling me that by far his favorite. book of my books is my memoir, Fish Out of Water. And he forced me to read some of it with him. And there's an incident in there. Chris, you know what I'm talking about. There's a horrible incident in there when I was nine years old in the Bradley's department store. I will not talk about it here. But I read it out loud with him and I was choking with laughter

because it's so embarrassing that you can't not laugh but and we've all been there we've all had these moments I remember unfortunate incident when I was younger and I don't know what I ate but there was a girl I liked there was probably six years old and the sitting there on a little picnic

table in the neighborhood and something happened digestively that was very important and I could not get up and I had to wait for her to leave for she You want to talk about humbling, but this is the funny thing. Like being nine, like you're just old enough to know exactly what's going on. But anyway, I say that just because, like, if you're looking for a fun read, because all these stories are true in Fish Out of Water. I mean, it's a story of my life.

At the end of it, it's my testimony of coming to Jesus or Jesus coming to me. It was like, it's such an amazing, but at all, all of the loony stories in here are 100% true. I hate when people kind of, you know, kind of exaggerate a story to make it better. It's all true. And it's just fun. And it's a good thing to give to somebody maybe who likes to read, but maybe they aren't where you are politically or theologically. And that this book is not about that. It's just a lot of very funny, crazy stories, some serious stuff.

But my friend, my friend, Kel just made me look at it the other day. day and I just thought I should bring this up. So you can get this, you know, at Ericmitaxe.com, Socratesandcity.com and my store.com with the code Eric. And then finally, a lot of people don't even know that I wrote these books. Donald drains the swamp. Folks, I don't know to tell you about it, but it's trust me. Donald builds the wall. Like, I will just say, if you're looking for like something really fun and crazy. Anyway, and I want to say the swag at Socrates and city.com. Next level swag.

Next level stuff. There's all kinds of stuff. But I just want to say Christmas gifts, because I know we're at the edge of the edge here. What is today? Today is the 22nd. So yesterday was the shortest day of the year. So we're already on the way to summer as of today. Yes, it's beautiful.

Okay. So I wanted to say all that. And again, Ericmetaxis.com, you can click on the CSI banner. Amazing, impressive last minute Christmas gift. Do it because it's the right.

It's a beautiful thing if you could do it. Okay, I have to talk now about Amfest. Now, I couldn't go this year because I just couldn't go. But I'm sort of glad I wasn't there because I have to say, I might have thrown a rock at Tucker. Probably not. But we need some clarity here.

I thought what Ben Shapiro said was right on. Now, there are some of you who are so unsophisticated that you seem to think, because Ben Shapiro doesn't call Jesus Lord, he has nothing good to say. That's incredibly stupid. Okay, Einstein didn't call Jesus Lord. Like, that's kind of a separate issue. We're just talking about facts and what Ben Shapiro said was magnificent. Now, I wish at the end of his speech he had not singled out Steve Bannon because then Steve Bannon the next day, I love Steve Bannon.

But Steve Bannon said some horrible stuff the next day and he's attacking Ben Shapiro. And it's just we don't need this. And what I wanted to say, two things. The first thing is, I'm a Christian and I believe in having what is. called a kingdom mentality. We care about the cause. I don't care about my brand. God created me. I'm going to die. I'm going to go away. We care about the brand. What's the brand? The brand is the kingdom of God. We care about the cause, the kingdom of God. And a lot of people get distracted because I think it's about them. It is definitely not about you. It's definitely not about me. If you don't know that,

you don't know is the most important thing that there is, that it isn't about us. It's about God and his truth. It's about Jesus. And so right now we have this, you know, like brawl in the MAGA movement. But I'm going to state categorically, like I might love Tucker Carlson. That doesn't mean that he hasn't said some unbelievably destructive stupid things. And I'm actually shocked. I'm shocked.

But I don't want to hear what he has to say until he understands that giving a voice to the devil through the person of Nick Fuentes is if you think that's free speech, you're an idiot or you're saying things so idiotic that I'm tempted to call you an idiot and forgive me because I shouldn't say that someone's an idiot. But I have to say that if you, it's like allowing a demon-possessed person to curse on camera and then say, well, but it's about free speech. I don't want to censor them. Like, yeah, you do. not want to give them an opportunity to say things, you know, or it's like showing pornography and saying, well, we have to have the wisdom. It's basic wisdom and common sense to understand

the difference between quote unquote censorship. And so the fact that Tucker doesn't get that and that a lot of conservatives don't get that, that if you want to know how bad things are, that's how bad things are, that there are people who don't understand what is actual censorship. you know so not giving a microphone to to certain people that's not censorship and that's not anti-free speech and that's not whatever so for somebody like Tucker not to get that that's tremendously sad to me that he doesn't understand he doesn't have the discernment to know that when you have power in a platform you know to give that microphone to somebody to give them a platform you know that that can lead to clarification of ideas and good stuff, it can. It can also lead in the other direction.

You have to have the wisdom as the arbiter of that conversation and as the person behind that platform. You have to have the wisdom to know whom to platform and whom to make seem reasonable. There's nobody less reasonable than Nick Fuentes. Now, Candice Owens is coming real close. But you have to have wisdom. And so I just want to. want to say that if you love America, if you love the God of the Bible, you have to have a kingdom mentality. And I really think that you have to condemn Tucker. You have to condemn Candice's. I don't even want to talk about her. But it does break my heart because I just want to love these people. I want them to be on the same team. I don't know what they're doing, but they're doing really

destructive things. I could talk about this for days and I already talked about it a little too long. I want to bring up Charlie. Charlie, I'll say it again, I've said it months ago. He fulfills his assignment. And we are on the verge of great revival in this nation. As a result of his life and his death, things are happening. God is working all things together for good, Romans 828. So I'm excited about TPSA.

I mentioned that I was with Erica and Mines. Mikey McCoy a couple weeks ago when they were here in Manhattan doing the CBS thing. And God bless Barry Weiss. God bless that woman for opening the door at CBS to have a voice like Erica Kirk on there. And, you know, it's just good things are happening in the culture. So anyway, I'll say more about this in the weeks ahead. There's so much to say. But I think those are, that's about all I needed to say today.

So we're going to have Megan Basham in just a moment. We're going to be talking about everything. And we have, my goodness, Sydney Powell, Bill Federer, Isabel Brown, John Strand, the Sorbo. They've got a lot of stuff coming up in the days and weeks ahead. Praise the Lord. God bless you. Merry Christmas. We'll be right back.

Hey there, folks. Merry Christmas, as we say in America. We are, as you know, we're doing this camera. campaign with CSI. We're freeing slaves. And we wanted to give you an update. I don't think we've given you an update. It's exciting. It's exciting because this is real. So we're bringing on Todd Chapman. Todd, welcome back. Hey, good. Good to be here. Eric. Merry Christmas. I wore my red woodman flannel just for you. You look Christmas. And I'm wearing green. So we compliment each other. You're the tree. I'm the guy who's going to chop it down. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Yeah. Yeah. We're the, we're the holly and the Ivy. There you go. All right. All right. So, all right, so give us an update. And actually, wait a minute. Before you give us an update, I want to, I don't think I've mentioned this recently. And I want to throw it in because I know there are folks out there.

Ladies and gentlemen, I say this every time we do this campaign, one of the things that I can do is offer my time. If I believe in something, I can offer my time. And my time has become preposterously valuable. It's just I have less and less time. but I offer an evening of my time where we can have dinner together whether it's just you know you and your husband or you and your wife

or you or your family or some friends or you want to get together a group of couples or whatever you want to do you know you're paying for the food I show up I give you my time and we can either do it in New York if you want to come to New York or we can do it in your city

or in some place in between because I travel all I'll be all over the country this year and we can work something out but I will spend the evening together. So anybody who's able to give a big gift of $15,000 to CSI to free 60 human beings from slavery. You can do that yourself. You can do that with several couples, get together, pull it, whatever you want to do, anybody who does that, a huge gift, okay, because most of you obviously are giving 250 or you're giving 50 or 100 or whatever you're doing. God bless you.

We are thrilled. But if there's anybody out there who wants to do that, I offer this. I don't know if I'll always be able to do this, but as long as I can, I will do this. And every year, somebody takes us up on this or a couple of, and we have dinner, and it's like we've become friends. It's like amazing because we all care about the same stuff. So it's a beautiful thing. I want to throw that out there. The website is Ericmetaxis.com.

You'll see the banner. I'll give the phone number in a minute. Okay. So, Todd. Yeah. What's the up? date, what's cooking, what's happening? So we started this campaign. We've done this every year with you and your program. And this year we started beginning of December. And as of now, we have

had almost 300 people participate. And collectively, you have freed more than 360 slaves from North Sudan. And they will be starting a brand new life in freedom and supplied with the resources they need to enjoy freedom, probably for the first time in their life. And so I've I was so pumped up about that. But, you know, I know we're actually recording this a couple days before Christmas. This next week is traditionally just a massive giving week. A lot of people want to get their year-end giving in in time, you know, to get tax credit and whatnot. But more importantly, I think, Eric, during this Christmas season, what we're doing for

these slaves, this is the heart of the Christmas message, right? I mean, this is why Jesus came to earth to set us free from sin and bondage. And we get to do that for another human being. And all of this, of course, is anchored in the Word of God in Christian principles. These are Christian women that have been enslaved their whole lives simply because they are Christians. And you're going to be returning them to their country of their birth, reuniting them with their family. It's just an incredible blessing that you can provide when you give a $250 gift. So we're so grateful.

And I'm just trusting and believing, Eric, that we can see another, I don't know, two, 300 slaves free before the year end. Folks, you could do this, you know, like God has blessed you to be a blessing. That's a basic fundamental biblical principle. You're blessed to be a blessing. It's not about you. It's your conduit for God's love. And what could be more beautiful, what could be more real, more significant, more symbolic on every level than freeing a slave. And I owe, I know like a broken record.

I say this all the time. It seems impossible that this is real, that there is real slavery. This is black on black slavery, folks. This is not about racism. This is about the evil in the human heart to oppress other human beings. And then we get to step in

and do something beautiful for God and free these slaves. It's almost unbelievable. But I want to just tell you, this is real. Like, go to the website. You can read all the details. Ericmataxis.com. The banner will, it'll come by as you go to Erictax.com.

You've got to click on the banner. And I'll give the phone number as well, just because some of you want to just call, right? So I'm going to give the phone number right now. Are you ready? You ready? Here's the phone number. You ready?

888-253-3522. 888-253-3522. Write it down. 888-253-3522. You can call that number right now and do something beautiful for God. Again, I am so grateful to those of you who've already given. I'm grateful to those of you who are going to give.

It's tax deductible. Think about that. God bless America. God bless America. that you can do something beautiful like this and it's tax deductible. Take advantage of that. And I'll say it again, if there's going to be out there who can do $15,000, I will offer my time and evening and what a blessing it is to do that.

So, Todd, we're grateful for your work with CSI. It's just, as I say, like a broken record, it's almost unbelievable. But it's believable. It's believable. God is in the business of redeeming us spiritually and in this case also quite literally from slavery. So Todd Chapman, thank you so much. Thanks, Eric. Merry Christmas. Hey, folks.

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Hey, folks, my guest right now is our friend Megan Basham. She's with the Daily Wire. And Megan, you just make me have. happy to talk to you. I read your stuff on X and you're you're saying stuff which a lot of people aren't saying. You're you're really brave and it just three. It just thrills me that I get to retweet great things that that you're you're putting out there. And let's start with um there's a lot of hot news here. So but you put something out recently and I thought this is something I have talked about and I have not heard anyone talk about it or frame it as I framed it, which drives me crazy.

And then, of course, you, wonderful you, you framed it in the way that I framed it. I thought, finally, somebody is saying what I've been thinking. And this has to do, folks, with, well, Megan, let me, you talk about it. This is about, you know, abuse scandals, church abuse scandals and all this stuff. So talk a little bit about this. So if I can walk your listeners back just a little bit. in 2019 to 2021, Russell Moore, who is the executive editor over at Christianity Today, was with the Southern Baptist Convention.

And he was a part of, I would say, manufacturing this narrative, that there was a severe abuse crisis in the largest Protestant denomination in the U.S. The Southern Baptist Convention, Washington Post, New York Times, all of these outlets sort of covered it in that way. And their main case that they were hanging this alleged mistreatment of abuse victims on was a case between an adult woman named Jennifer Lyle, who was 26-year-old master's student on the campus of Southern Seminary, who got involved with a married professor, 23 years, her senior. So she's 26. You know, he is somewhere in his late 40s. And they start some sort of sexual relationship. She is on campus for two years. She then leaves campus, becomes a publishing executive at first Moody and then Lifeway,

and is continuing to contract books from this man. So he's one of her authors. She's his editor. And at the height of the Me Too, and then the relationship ends around 2016. She says because she was an abuse victim who became strong enough to leave the abuse, he says because he had an attack of conscience, confessed to his wife, and ended the relationship. So she came forward at the height of the Me Too movement and alleged that this relationship that again went on for 12 years while she was living in another state and was having to travel to meet with him,

that it was always and ever only abuse and that it was non-consensual, violent force, the entire 12 years. I just want to say, folks, this is Marxist lunacy, and we're going to break this down for you. Right. Chris, can you make Megan's a level a little bit higher because I'm having trouble hearing. Okay, Megan, so again, when you, when I read what you had to say about this, I thought, thank the Lord, somebody is talking about this. I didn't really talk about this much. I may have talked about it on my show last year or something, but it's kind of basic stuff. Right.

And I'll, I'll phrase it briefly and then you can give the details. But ladies and gentlemen, if a 20-sexual woman. who is not a child. She's an adult woman commits a sin, adultery with a married man. He is guilty. She is guilty. Now, you can talk about all the details, but she's not 14 years old. You know, she's not at camp. Right. And he's the counselor. She's a 26-year-old woman. She has been an adult for many years. And so this narrative, this diabolical. narrative, which is cultural Marxism, which is nealistic and diabolical devilish narrative, is that everything's about power. There's no black and white. It's just about people in power and the people they oppress. That's garbage. You have two sinners who did something terrible. They're both guilty. Now you want to say, oh, he's more guilty. I mean, I don't even know what to say. But the idea that, but she's a victim because she was a student.

And he was, it's like, well, not really. Like, that's a Marxist narrative that many in the evangelical church have completely swallowed. And we need to clarify this, that that's a power narrative. It's a Marxist garbage narrative. But so many in the evangelical church have just bought this. It's amazing. And so you, in writing about this, you know, you're bringing clarity to this. What's a biblical view of sin?

and then what's a DEI Marxist view? They're different. Well, and that's the reason that this case matters, Eric. So, you know, this is sort of an isolated case. Well, it's not isolated, but became the focus of a lot of debate. So you had people like Julie Roy's of the Roy's report who had been reporting on this story and other left-leaning outlets, Christianity today, taking these stories where, you know, these men have absolutely done something wrong.

Now, let's keep in mind. This particular relationship went on until the woman was almost 40. And they were still saying it was power differential abuse. So they were saying it is abuse because he had more power than her, even at the point where she was a 38-year-old executive editor at Lifeway and the highest-placed woman in the SBC. But the reason just to just to clarify, in other words, you realize, folks, that this is woke leftist lunacy because the one. woman is always right, the guy's always wrong. The white guy is always guilty. The black person is

always right. It's like it is a it is a nonsense narrative. Instead of looking at people as adults, you fit them into this cultural Marxist narrative about power and whatever. But again, evangelicals leftist evangelicals have completely bought this and they have suffused the pages of Christianity today and all kinds of websites with this garbage. And we have to say, this is wrong. This is this is the path to hell to buy into this narrative. And I don't see many people besides you, Megan Basham, writing that, writing about this and calling this out. Yeah. And the reason people went after me was because I came along all, you know, as I said, all of these sort of mainstream legacy outlets were reporting this as a power differential case of abuse. And I came

along and said, wait a minute, we're talking about an adult woman who, you know, throughout it had her own agency, her own free will choice, whether or not to engage in sin. And the reason I objected to how they were approaching these stories is not because I want to defend these men. I'm like, look, you cheat on your wife. You abuse your office as a professor or a pastor. Absolutely. There should be ramifications. You are disqualified. I have no problem saying that. My issue was with infantilizing adult women and saying that they can be groomed. by other adults to the point that they no longer have responsibility for their own free will choices. Even these terms, though, like think about it.

We've all bought into these stupid terms, grooming. Right. Like what we just buy into these new terms. That's how you know the devil is at work. You create new terms and then everybody kind of buys into them. And somebody else says, excuse me, 10 years ago, what would we have called this? Like, we don't have an ability to talk about this, except now we have this new concept of grooming. We would have called it's abduction before, I think.

But now we call it grooming to remove agency from an adult. Right. But that's the point. Right. And so the reason I keep saying it's a culturally Marxist narrative is because it's like the BLM thing. It's like the black person is always the victim. Yes. The woman is always the victim.

And you think, well, what world are you living in? Like that, that's just sin is sin. You committed adultery. You committed adultery. It's wrong. But it becomes something else. They twisted into, you know, again, this narrative. It's like the me too.

It's like the woman is always right. What is that biblical? No. Where does that idea come from? So these people who call themselves evangelical Christians are subverting everything. And this is the classic example of it, what you're talking about. Yes. And, you know, the other reason that I care about it very much, Eric, is because as they create this power differential definition of abuse,

and grooming, and it is very Marxist, as you said, because the way that they're deciding who bears more guilt and who bears the responsibility is based on power, not on a decision of the heart. And of course, Scripture tells us that sin comes not from holding power or not holding power. It comes from our deceitful human hearts. And every single person, whether powerful or non-powerful, is going to have these sin predilections. And that's what we need to deal with. But, you know, the bigger issue to me is that when they do this, they're assuring these women, you are only a victim.

You do not have any responsibility for your sin. You could not help it because other people were oppressing you. And my problem with that is from a biblical stance, you are then leaving this sin on these women's consciences. So if they willfully and consensually participated in a sexual, sinful act without force or threat of violence, then at that point, you have made a choice to say. in. And if you are telling these women, you are only victims, you're also telling them they're not fully human. They're not fully adult because they weren't able to make these choices. You're treating them like their children. And children can't consent because children don't have the

understanding of what we're talking about when we talk about sexuality to consent. But adults do. And, you know, in some of these cases, Eric, we're talking about women being presented as innocent victims who could not do anything to to help themselves or to say no. And we're talking about women who are in their mid-30s with like five children who are saying, I was groomed. And again, and again, it plays into people's emotions. Yeah. But I was going to say, this is no different.

Making the guy, he's the real villain and she's the victim, that is no different folks than in the past when people would have said she is guilty. the woman is guilty. She seduced him and she dressed this way. She's guilty and he couldn't help himself. You're both guilty. You are sinners. You did a bad thing. You need to acknowledge it.

You need to totally repent. But again, they're sort of spinning it in such a way. Look, this happened. And the reason this is so tricky, Megan, is because people get very emotional about this. I mean, I saw this when the whole Mike Bickle thing was happening. if you even try to bring clarity to like like we know there's sin but let's try to talk about it rationally like what exactly happened there people are like I don't want to talk about it rationally like even talking about it rationally does a disservice these women but but but but but and you're like

wait a second like they were adults who who sinned so you're saying well because he's a pastor or because he's older or because he manipulated them or like how do you know who mean the related whom. People, you know, in other words, both people are kind of trading on something and God says you sinned. It's not like, you know, like we know David was guilty, but like Bathsheba was guilty. Now, again, that's, you know, that's kind of a dramatic example. He's the king and whatever, but like. But they wouldn't say that, Eric, they would, and this is something that they say. they say that David was a rapist and that Bathsheba was an abuse victim and only an abuse victim. So they would erase all agency from Bathsheba as well and say that she did not make a personal, sinful choice to sin.

Only David did because David, because of his power as the king, even though we have nothing in the text to show that he forced Bathsheba or that she resisted. There's nothing like that in the text. But these activists argue within a Marxist framing that because David, was the king and held more power, she therefore is a purely innocent victim and he is a rapist. Well, again, what I find so fascinating is that there are people who are unwilling to look at it. I mean, I just say this to my audience, folks. This is like a warning of where we are in the culture. This kind of thinking, you need to be aware of what is being done to you in the culture. When you hear a term, suddenly people throw terms out there. Suddenly grooming is a term and nobody's like,

Wait, what is that? Like, you just came up with a new term 10 years ago, so now everybody's, like, got to be on board with this. There are these terms that are, you know, the whole trans stuff. Like, you're just immediately, like, having to use these terms and to accept these framing of things. And you say, what are you talking about? She was 20, in this case, 26, but I'm saying,

but I don't care if she's 22. like that's sin, that's wrong. It does not mean that the guy is not guilty. But like, let's let's be clear about what is happening. I mean, in a court of law, you're supposed to be clear. And Christians should be that much more clear about what's going on. And the muddying of this, which again, I saw over the last few years, again, I think in the Mike Bickleke, it was the classic case.

It was just like, if you even tried to. get clarity, you were condemned because don't you see that he? And I thought, well, that may be true, but like, why don't we clarify it so I can understand exactly what happened here? Because some of it is not adding up. And even to say that, you would get attacked. That is true. Which I did. I mean, you know, and it doesn't mean that there are things that I think I said with that, which I definitely would take back. But I was really just thinking. thinking there it's kind of a rush to judgment and it always is about this Marxist framing of pulling down those in power like that's the priority clarity and judgment uh fairness like that's not the issue

the issue is we want to tear down those in power we want to tear down the pastor we want to tear down the whatever like that's the most important thing you think why is that the most important thing like clarity should be the most important thing in fact that was what um then president of the SBC J.D. Greer said was going to be the solution to what they were calling this abuse crisis that was largely coming from this particular case that I just described. He said that the answer was going to be tearing down all hierarchies, which was really interesting because obviously, you know, we see how that plays into. And I don't know that he understood that this was a Marxist framing to say that the way that we addressed the issue of abuse is to tear down all hierarchies and put women in place. positions of power and that so it's not about the individual trace because women don't have any original sin forget about the bible we're a victim class they're victims so we want to go to satan's bible

we want to go to carl marx's view of the universe uh the diabolical nealistic view the anti-god view let's go with that i mean it's you think it's almost funny that we're having this conversation but how the the evangelical left hook line and sinker i mean we saw it again with bLM we saw with the Me Too. Like, they didn't even stop to think. They were just like, boom, we're just, we're all over that. Well, and it's very similar to when you look at the George Floyd case or the Ferguson case where everyone did make that rush to judgment.

And then later, we did have information come out, such as, you know, hands up, don't shoot, never happened, such as George Floyd was on massive amounts of fentanyl at the time and had COVID. So other extenuating circumstances that nobody wants. wanted to consider in the fever of the political moment. And so we had that as well with this Me Too issue. And so this latest case, what you saw breaking open on social media this week, Eric, was after everyone insisted that this woman who was in a relationship with a married professor

from age 26 to 38 was ever and always a victim, what came out this past week was that she had sent emails to him that became public in which she talked about how much she loved him, how much she missed him, how much she long to be with him, that a month was too long to go without seeing him. And she talked about having nightmares that he was going to end the relationship. So these emails became public and suddenly, I think that was when the rabid fight broke out because the jig was up at that point, this argument that it was never consensual because of this power imbalance. And at that point, you went, okay, obviously it, these emails indicate that it was a consensual relationship

because it was a very affectionate loving emails to him, another woman's husband. I was going to say, and she knew he was married. Correct. She's going to be some kind of a Christian. She's working in a Christian environment in a relationship with a married man. Wow.

Like, you know. And so when these emails came out, you had people like Julie Roy's still defending the victim narrative by saying, well, it's true. trauma bonding. Oh, no, she, look, she is all in on this Marxist narrative. She, she has clearly, I mean, she said things about me that I know are nonsense. Like, you know, when, when you know, but I'm saying like there are people like her, people like the folks of Christianity today, Russell Moore, they are all in on this leftist, cultural Marxist narrative. They're all in on it. And it's diabolical. And they are working it. And there's still plenty people that are fooled. by this. There are plenty people that are fooled by this. And so we have to speak against it.

And again, you, Megan, you've spoken so bravely against it. Now, where are the articles, if people want to read what you've written on this? So you can go to Daily Wire. My initial piece, so my first piece on this was back in June of 2022. And if you look up my name, Megan Basham, and you Google that alongside the SBC's Me Too, moment, you will get my original reporting on this. So when my story first came out, you know, it was, I think, explosive would be a bit of an understatement because I did what none of these other reporters who were covering this story from a power imbalance, Marx's point of view, did. I actually went and interviewed other people. And I said, okay, talk to me, the men who were

on the executive committee that decided not to describe this as abuse and were lamb-based for it. tell me why. So I got their story. I reached out to the, the professor in this question and said, I would like to speak to you and get your side of the story. I interviewed the woman. So, you know, a lot of the hostility at me was that I actually bothered to go and speak to all parties. And I presented both sides of the story. So I did present her argument, but I also presented his. But Megan, even think of it, even think of this. Think of this term abuse. Like it's like a new term, abuse. where did that kind of sneak in that we're always talking about it's abuse it's rape it's adultery it's like let's be clear about the terms and the moment people monkey with words and introduce things i mean

anybody who's read 1984 right people can affect how you think by the words that we all use and i am just astonished at how quickly many christians have adopted this garbage and have gone down this path. I mean, I just want to say, folks, you know, if I know a man, a Christian man who's committing adultery, I want to kill him. Right. I want to kill him. I want to confront him.

I want to fire him. I want it's despicable. It's so sick. So it's not about defending somebody like that. But suddenly saying, well, and that's all we need to talk about because the woman is victim again you think like haven't we made any progress in this world where women are equals they are they have moral agency um and again this is just the flip side of in the past people would say oh she's the hussy she's deduced him she's where the woman was always guilty we've lived through that that's

diabolical in the other direction now we're dealing with this so i just say god bless you megam bastion for clarifying this and and shame on these folks at at the you know i honestly again, we're at a point now where people, when they say the Christians, it means nothing to me. The Southern Baptists, there are people there, the people at Christian colleges and whatever that, I just don't know who I'm talking to anymore. They're speaking another language, a different vocabulary. They have a whole set of givens that, to me, are not biblical. So I'm just so grateful for your clarity on this. Thank you. I want to, I mean, anything else you want to say about that? Otherwise, there's other stuff that we should probably talk about as well.

No, yeah, that's it. I mean, just and that I want people to understand that there reason I care about this is because I care about the shepherding and soul care of women. I mean, I want us as women to understand that we have agency and personal responsibility. And also, if you have committed these sins, you know, there is a heavenly father eager to forgive that. But you have to acknowledge it, confess it, and repent. And you cannot do that if you are only adhering to this idea that you're a victim. So I just want to encourage women out there.

If you've participated in something like this, confront your own guilt, deal with your own conscience and let's let's not reconcile women to being children who cannot make their own decisions. And again, it's a basic precept of the Christian faith. Somebody else might be guilty, but to put it on them and to say, but they, but it's like, no, you have to own your guilt before God and repent before God. Each of us has to do that. It doesn't mean any other person didn't do wrong and didn't maybe influence you. And like, yes. But the best thing is, to just come clean before the Lord in terms of what you've done rather than pointing the finger. And that pointing to finger is just fundamentally unbiblical, it's fundamentally un-Christian instinct to say it's them.

It is, it's not me. There's so much else I want to talk to you about Megan. Should we talk about, I mean, because Amfest just ended, I've been talking about that a little bit. But there's a kind of a madness out there, I have to say. And it's so messed up that it makes me kind of realize like all I can do is point to Jesus because it's just so ugly that there are people that I once whose voices I trusted who are saying think Tucker is the classic example. I'm astonished at some of the foolishness that has come out of his mouth.

So it's so horrifying. I don't even want to, I don't even want to talk about it almost. It's just amazing to me. But we're living through strange times. But I think at the heart of it, it's spiritual warfare, that there is a revival happening in this nation. There are people mainstream figures like Mickey Minaj and other mainstream figures that are calling on the name of Jesus, that are talking about Jesus. That's a big deal. Something is happening in the culture.

Something beautiful is happening. Yeah. And I feel like you do, Eric, and incredibly angry when I see people like Candace Owens and others flinging these wild conspiracy theories and irresponsible rhetoric and focusing on things that are not about making America great again. They're not for the benefit of their fellow citizens or other Americans. That's incredibly frustrating to me because I do feel that they're squandering a moment. you just said, I go, there is such an interest. I call it sort of Christ curiosity that, you know, I don't know where we are revival-wise, but I know we have a sudden moment in this country where people are waking up and saying,

gosh, things don't feel like they used to be. They feel unsettled. They feel chaotic. And they're starting to recognize that the only answer to that is Christ. Without Christ as the bedrock for our Western civilization, it will crumble. And so it's incredibly frustrating to see that. but a friend put it to me in this way and I thought that makes sense. He said, it's, it's like when Alexander died and the generals started jockeying for power.

And that's what we're seeing. So Alexander has died. I didn't think somebody would bring up the Seleucid Empire on this program today. That's very impressive. And no, that's it. And again, God is in it, right? Like what happened with Charlie going away, a lot, a lot has happened. it has unleashed revival. I will say that. It's really clear that somehow that's that's the biggest

piece of it. But then there's spiritual warfare tremendous, tremendous evil and madness that has come out. I mean, Tucker Carlson would have never dared to platform the voice of the devil in Nick Fuentes if Charlie were alive. I don't know what happened. The stuff that that Candace has said is so despicable. But more the reason that's so despicable is because the people that I normally would like and trust have been sucked into some of this stuff, have been sucked into going along with it. It's like, yeah, but, but, but it's a real lack of discernment. I don't know what to say, except it's a lack of. And it's hard to understand where it's coming from because I would expect them to want to hold on to this incredible momentum that was created with the election of Donald Trump in 2024. And so, you know,

it feels not just disappointing, but bewildering in a certain way. Like, why are we squandering this potential, this momentum that we had? And I can't wrap my head around that because, you know, I was maybe in a different view on the Nick Fuentes saying, I didn't necessarily have a problem interviewing Nick Fuentes because I'm a journalist and I will interview anyone, you know, if. Charles Manson. Right. If Francis Collins called me tomorrow and said, I'm ready to sit down with you for an interview,

I would happily do that. But you're a journalist who would ask them questions. That's, isn't that the way? But you have to ask tough questions. And that was my criticism of that interview is when someone says, I'm a fan of Stalin, you don't put a pin in that. You say, well, hang on a minute. Let's focus on that for a second.

Where is this fandom of a mass murderer who killed millions and millions of innocent people coming from? Maybe let's talk about that for a minute. So that was really where my criticism was. But on the, even beyond that, what I don't understand is why pull the focus? from what we're building and from what we have. I will, because we're at a time, I will try to answer that question.

As I have said many times to people on this program, I'm working on a book in the American Revolution. And I have had to face this. In the revolution, you see figures. It's very similar. You see at the end of the day, they do not care about the sacred cause. At the end of the day, they care about themselves.

And so they're willing to ride the sacred cause of the revolution, as long as it's helping them. But the moment they have to choose between the cause, this great, beautiful cause and their own career or something like that, you see where their heart lies. And I think we're seeing that now. I think you're seeing people that you thought that they were on the team, but at a certain point, and that's, so there's a division going on.

It's along these lines. I'll leave it at that. But just encouraging to know you're out there, Megan, can't wait to talk to you again. Merry Christmas. God bless you. Merry Christmas to you, my friend. This Christmas, as we celebrate the Super Centennial coming up, Super Centennial 250th, there's no way, better in a way to support it than by supporting my friend, an American hero, Mike Lindell. He's one of the main sponsors on this program.

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