The Eric Metaxas Show - #40 - Gen. Flynn

Episode Date: January 20, 2026

Today On The Eric Metaxas Show, General Michael Flynn lays out his view of the Venezuela connection, how the 2020 election controversy ties into Covid era voting changes, and why he believes election integrity is now a national survival issue, plus a wide ranging discussion of the deep state, accountability, and America’s alliances. Subscribe for clips from The Eric Metaxas Show to hear politics and culture from a Christian perspective.

Hey, the folks, welcome back. I have good news, folks. Good news for you. My guest right now is somebody I think of, and I hope you do, as an American hero. His name is General Flynn. General Flynn, every time you come on here, I get encouraged by not just what you say, but your heart, your love of this country. Thanks for being my guest today. I appreciate Eric, and thank you so much for your patience, too, to get me back on and to your great audience. Who said I was patient? I know. No, listen, you, you know, I follow you on X and often retweet stuff that you put out there because you're one of the handful of people with his finger on the pulse of what is happening in the country. And you are, speaking of, you know, patience, you are like many of us. correctly impatient with the speed at which things are happening. Now, I think we'd all like to believe that there's a process and that people are doing what they ought to be doing, but we don't know that.

It's difficult for us. And so we are voices, you know, complaining and sniping and saying, hey, what's going on? Pam Bondi, you're doing your job, President Trump. Should you get rid of Pam Bondi? What is happening? Because we, the people actually care about election fraud. about fraud. We care about these things because we love this country. And so you've been one of the loudest, most articulate voices on these things.

So I don't know where we start. Can we start with the election fraud? When Maduro was taken out of, I like the term extracted, like a tick, when he was extracted by our extraordinary military, some people, myself included, thought that perhaps tied into this

is we will have some revelation about the fraud that was centered in Venezuela around the elections. Do you have any sense of whether that is something that can happen? Yeah, so let me start with a couple of things, because I think that that Maduro, Venezuela, the things that are happening that you hear President Trump posting these days, I think it's all tied together. And I think the good news, the really good news, is that as much as I have been, you know, asking for accountability, and I've demanded that 2026 be declared the year of accountability, I think that President Trump on the 3rd of January, he took that to heart.

And his extraction, as you, I think rightly called it, of Nicholas Maduro, the former dictator of Venezuela, and all and other pieces of intelligence and information that was known prior to that removal of Maduro out of that position, are going to lead to the President of the United States making a very, very serious decision about how our elections in this country will be conducted in the coming year. Now, we're getting ready to move into primary season and all that in another, I think, two months. I think the first primaries in Arkansas, I'm not mistaken. So Trump knows that he's got really one enemy that's on his, that's, that's, that's, that's,

he's fighting against, and that's time. And everybody in the country, to include myself, I know, I'm not going to stand here and say that I haven't been impatient, but a year has gone by, and we haven't felt like there's anything happening. So I do, I do pay very close attention to, to what's going on. And I am, you know, engaged in various conversations. And I do have people that I trust that, that I know as they speak to each other and they are talking about what's happening. The potential, and I think the number that I've heard is

probably 25 subpoenas that are out. They were actually out well before this conversation that we're having. There is a grand jury impaneled. For people that have never sat in front of a grand jury, I have a couple of them. When you go in front of a grand jury, you do not bring your lawyers in front of a grand jury. You go there in front of citizens who are impanel. on the grand jury and you have to answer questions of a prosecutor and or the the citizens that want to ask questions. So that's been taking place. And I do believe from that from that grand jury, and that's one down, I believe down in Florida, we are going to see some indictments. And I think that for those that haven't been paying real close attention, John Brennan, the former

director of the CIA, he's already admitted that he's been told he's the target of a of a Department of Justice grand jury effort. So when you're the target, that means that they've already decided that they have sufficient information to indict. So you don't get a letter to be a target. They'll make you the subject of an investigation versus the target of an investigation.

If you're the target of a federal investigation, that's much worse. And Brennan has admitted that he is the target of an investigation. That's good news. And so I do believe, that we're going to see, we're going to see some things happening. I really do believe that. I know that President Trump wants to have that happen. The two things, though, that he must,

he must get right in this period of time is he must get right our elections and he must get right for the accountability of those who committed treason to, you know, against our country, against him and against the foundation and fabric of the Constitution. And I, I, you know, that word treason is a very, very strong word. I've been called it a traitor. I've been accused of committing treason. I mean, it hurts. But when the president of the United States and the direct of national intelligence use those, use that word against a former president of the United States, which both President Trump and director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, both of them, use that word directed at Barack Obama last summer, last summer. So the summer of 2020.

and it was actually early in the summer and Tulsi Gabbard said that she's preferred all that, you know, all that information and intelligence and evidence over to the Department of Justice. Well, that was last summer. So a lot of people in the country are like, well, what's happening? What's going on? And they keep showing the, you know, the wins losses column for Pam Bondi,

and it's all a bunch of zeros, right? So I do know that the levels and the depths of corruptions, corruption that we are facing in our country from years of just patent abuse of our system is, for most Americans, they can't even, they can't even fathom it. You know, prior to jumping on today, we were, you and I briefly were talking about the millions, actually, it's hundreds of millions of dollars going out of the Minneapolis airport, you know, through TSA. I mean, so let's just take that as an example.

example of the level of corruption that has been going on for a long time. Now, what is a long time defined as? My guess is it's probably going back to the Obama administration when Obama started to bring in the Somalis into the northern part of our country, principally into Minnesota. You know, there's other, I'm up and, you know, I'm talking to you from Michigan today. And so the northern tier of our country, to include Ohio, there's other Columbus, Ohio is another place where they're finding this deep, deep level of theft, you know, grafts, corruption coming out of this one community, but it's going to extend across our country and it's going to probably go into the tens of billions of dollars. I've heard as much as, you know, $40 to $50 billion that has been stolen. and they found $700 million in suitcases at the Minneapolis airport recently in suitcases. So these are not uneducated Somalis that can't even speak English that are doing this. What's happening is somebody figured out the system and maybe, and there's probably politicians.

I mean, the Department of Justice is going to clearly have to investigate Tim Walts. Thank God he's not our vice president, which, you know, I mean, imagine that. So they're going to have to conduct an investigation. It's going to flow into other political people inside of the state of Minnesota. It probably will flow out to people in our federal level of political life into our Congress, because when you start talking about grant monies being given, you kind of go, okay, where's the money coming back to?

Is it coming back to PACs? Is it coming back to other non-governmental organizations at, that benefit both Democrats and Republicans. Where is this money that is going in, you know, that's in these suitcases? You know, the number that somebody said the other day is it's a million dollars an hour was flowing through the Minneapolis airport going somewhere. Now, it would go into when you start to follow the airplanes, right? So now you follow the airplanes because this is the level of detail that are,

that an investigator is going to have to get into. And this matters. This matters because if we find out that we have politicians in multiple states and they're on both sides of the aisle, these people are, they must be held to account. Right now, I don't hear Speaker of the House, Johnson. I don't hear the president of the Senate, Thune. I don't hear them screaming about this. I don't even hear them talking about it. Well, you know, I have an explanation for that.

Senator John Thune is a eunuch in case he didn't realize that. That's the explanation. I can't speak to about the speaker, but listen, I couldn't be more disgusted. And I know you share my disgust. Yeah, absolutely. The fact that they wouldn't talk about this, the fact that they wouldn't say, wait a second, your average American is rightly, deeply offended by the possibility that this level of fraud is going on. Because ladies and gentlemen, you're working for this money. You're working hard for this money.

Why should we pay? So, Eric, I'm sorry. I mean, why should the American people pay income taxes? Why should we pay any federal tax when we find out that 40 to 50% of every single penny that we give is going to some corrupt issue or some corrupt effort? I mean, the Congress just, you know, voted to pass this $300, another $350 million to this organization called National Endowment for Democracy. 81 Republicans voted with their Democrat colleagues to fund this organization. This organization, Ned, is the organization that's funding a lot of these, a lot of these street protests that are going on.

They are directly involved and they have relationships with these non-governmental organizations that we are now finding out that we're part of this incredible theft of the American taxpayer dollars. And we're just talking about what we just learned in the last month. month. I mean, let's let's go back to all the other criminal behavior that we have seen principally from the left, but what the American public are now, are now clearly seeing is that this, this goes, number one, it goes all the way to the top. It goes all the way to the White House, and it goes all the way to the top of our, of both sides of our aisle, of our political aisle in

Congress. And they all seem to benefit from one way or another. You know, I, I just, I mean, this is easy. You dig into some of the packs of these people. So some of these political leaders that have these packs, and you find out, and it's this easy because it's all knowable, and I've done this. So you look at a person gives a donation to a PAC, to a political candidate, Republican or a Democrat. Then that person expects a quid pro quo and what the political candidate does when they get

in, when they get into a position of power, particularly. as a speaker or a committee chair or even a republic or even a democrat who's you know they're not in power now but they're still able to get these bills passed and what they do is they make sure that the money that is our money taxpayer money gets gets then you know sort of commissioned back into their non-governmental organizations that then flow back into you know corporations they flow back into campaigns right And it's just this cycle and we're talking billions and billions of dollars. So for your great audience, put that in this bin and just leave it there for a second. Because now let's talk about, because we started off talking about Venezuela.

Well, I mean, so what's next in Venezuela? And let's jump over to the Middle East. Let's jump over. Nobody's even talking about this situation in Europe anymore. We're not even talking about Ukraine. We spent $500 billion in Ukraine. I mean, to what end? I mean, we got a crook, a guy who's a dictator, Zelensky, who's declared martial law.

If you're on the opposition over there, you're going to get arrested. If you're a reporter, if you're a journalist, you're reporting against actions of the Ukrainian government or the actions of Zelensky on the ground over in Ukraine, you're going to be arrested and you might even get killed. So our money is flowing. out of our country, and it's flowing out of our country what we just learned in a place like Minneapolis, it's flowing into Minneapolis or into Minnesota, and then it flows out of Minneapolis through the major airport there, an international airport, and it flows into, God knows where, these are all knowable things that must be investigated. Now, so what? So what? What is the Department of justice doing about any of it. And frankly, this is where I, as an American citizen,

not only as an informed guy and, you know, and, you know, former a lot of different things, and I stay very in touch with certainly people in our government, I want to know, is the Department of Justice, and Mr. President, this is really for the President of the United States, are there organizations being created within our government to go after these things? things, not run it like the normal conventional ways because it'll never happen, folks. It'll never happen. The amount of reform in the Department of Justice is almost zero. The amount of reform that we just learned from Tom Fitton recently from Judiciary in the FBI is practically zero.

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Explain that to me. How can somebody like Cash Patel, who has spent years talking about this stuff, now he's the head of the FBI, how can it be possible that there's zero reform? And what happened to Dan Bongino? know, I mean, I honestly am as puzzled as your average American. I mean, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I still don't know why Dan quit. I don't know why he quit. He wasn't in that job that long, but I don't know why he quit. Maybe he had a run in with Pam. I don't know. Maybe we haven't learned that yet. Maybe we'll learn that from Dan because he's going back out there. But he seems to be attacking, you know, people on our side. You know, I mean, instead of, instead of actually, you know, maybe being a voice to help. well i think correct me if i'm wrong but i mean when he's attacking the so-called black pillars right uh p i l l-l-e r s um there have been people on our side you know even people friends of mine you know what uh sometimes even uh whatever like emerald robinson or our friend

Ivan Rakeland, that they're, they're, they're, they're, they're as upset as we are. Yeah. But they, they kind of make it seem like we know that nothing's happening. And I would like to believe that I hope that's not true, right? Well, let me tell you. So, so here's where I'm at. That's what he was pushing back against. I don't know.

I agree. I agree. But that's not, that's not the reason for quitting your job. I mean, to come out and start attacking. That's another story. Why he quit, I have no clue. Right. And I, and I think Dan needs to explain that. But I'll, let's,

leave Dan aside. The bigger question is, why aren't we seeing the kinds of things that we need to say? I mean, number one, you know, I, and I will speak for myself because I have led organizations of 30 to damn near 30,000 people, right? And so I've had experiences running large organizations as, you know, from the time I was a young officer in the military all the way until I retired out of the military. So you have to have some level of, you know, it's not just being a good leader. You got to understand, and these are, you know, bureaucracies too. So it's not like going in as a CEO of a company and going, okay, you know, everybody's fired. You've got to know what you're doing when you walk into these big organizations.

So because what happens in a bureaucracy, especially in Washington, D.C., they all come to you with all the accoutrements of the office, planes, cars, security. you've got all kinds of stuff. You've got everybody that you're whining and dining and with all the high level protocol stuff, you know, you can get trapped into that. And I feel at times from what I see and what I hear that some people are trapped into that, that they get trapped by that world. And if you haven't led an organization of, I mean, even a couple of thousand, you know, to run an organization of 40 or 50 or 70,000 is not an easy feat.

And so you've got to, this is why I think what I was looking for with the Trump administration, I was really excited about the Doge thing, which is not, you know, doesn't seem to be happening anymore. What I was hoping that Trump would do was to task organize differently within the government and run a series of task forces like task force personnel, task force government reform, task force accountability, right? task force money laundering or whatever, whatever the, you know, run these task forces, put good leaders, task force education. You know, I was looking at, somebody sent me a video of Trump during the campaign where he said on day one,

I'm going to shut the Department of Education down. I'm going to close the doors. We just fully funded the Department of Education in the big beautiful bill again. I mean, so education is one of the worst. I don't think, I mean, to be fair, I think there's a lot of stuff in the big beautiful bill that, you know,

there was no way around it. I do get the impression that they're shutting it down and that, you know, the Secretary of Education is trying to shut it down. So this is what's so confusing, generally, is that there's so little we can know about what is actually happening. Right. We want to see a wrecking ball taken to all of it. But there's so much that we should know. I mean, we are a constitutional republic. we are represented by the people that we vote into office, principally the lower house,

which is the House of Representatives. They're supposed to be our direct representatives. And then, you know, the president of the United States and, of course, the upper house, the upper chamber of the Senate. I mean, our country is built, is supposed to be built on transparency, trust, and a government that works, you know, by with and for the people. And right now, there just seems to be a lot of opakness. So it seems to be a lot of things we don't know.

But you know this way better than I do. When you're dealing with evil and corruption, just like when we went into Venezuela, we didn't take a wrecking ball. We didn't get rid of the number two, the way we did in Iraq. We've learned a lesson like, be careful. Right.

Because if you rip that pillar out, that's a load-bearing pillar. It's all going to come down. We've got to be careful about how we do this. My suspicion, my hope, is that at places like the FBI, at places like the CIA, all through the corruption that has existed for decades, as you know,

that it's tricky how you pull it off. And so my hope, again, I could certainly be wrong, but my hope is that that's what this is about, that they're saying, it's kind of like, you know, why Trump did not say to Congress, oh, by the way, we're going to get rid of Maduro because he realizes, yes, if I do it by the book and I tell Congress,

they're going to leak it and we're not going to get Maduro and Americans will lose their lives. So it seems to me that there's a long game strategy. Again, that's my hope. Yeah. And I want to believe that as well. And I did hear Trump talk about, you know, we went into Iraq and we screwed it up by, you know, we got rid of Saddam and we got rid of the whole military and the place turned into anarchy. Yeah, there was some absolute foolishness in those decisions. But I do think that one, what we did not, if you look back at Iraq,

rack and you say, okay, get rid of Saddam, but you keep his number two. Well, his number two was actually worse than Saddam. So in this case, in Venezuela, it's the same thing. Delci Rodriguez is actually worse in terms of a dictator or a brutal person, and along with her brother and some other people around her, Diasados Cabello is another guy. No, no, there's no doubt about that. I guess the question is, is she now operating with a gun to her head? that Trump has said, we're running Venezuela. So, Delsey, you will do this and this and this and this. And if you don't, you're next.

That's, again, the theory. You know, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I saw, you know, John Ratcliffe made the visit down there the other day. So is Venezuela working for the CIA? One of the things that I am definitely for is I am for not having Venezuela be beachfront property for China or Russia here in our hemisphere. I don't want that. I don't want China to feel that they have a complete control over that country, even though I'm not sure that the Chinese have up and gone.

I think the number that the percentage of oil that comes out of, that was coming out of Venezuela prior to our embargo down there, most of it was going to China. I think as high as 90% of the Venezuelan oil was going directly over to, you know, through the Panama Canal and, you know, toward China. I mean, that's a significant number. So the Chinese are not going to roll over and play dead here.

So there's some other, there's some other issues that are going to take place. We'll see how this plays out. I want plan B or plan A, you know, post-Modoro. I want it to be in our advantage. And I do believe that so far,

what we've seen is, is a conversation between the President of the United States and the new leader of Venezuela, but you still have to have the conditions on the ground to be able to do the things that you want to do, which is essentially make sure that the people of Venezuela aren't brutalized and make sure that you're able to open up their economy and maybe turn it into what? I don't know.

It's not going to turn into a democracy with Delsey Rodriguez. She is a hardcore communist. Well, I would, I mean, again, I believe, I keep saying this, I believe and I hope that the plan is to to replace, to slowly. replace those figures, but you can't pull them out yet. I don't know. I mean, right now, for example, you know, in Venezuela, right now, we have to have a lot of our guys on the ground there.

We're not talking about it, but I cannot believe that we would not have a number of our guys. I don't know, you know, what are they, what they call them. Yeah, well, I mean, you know, what you're talking about there, you know, tactically is do we, You know, we have a body that goes in there to reopen our embassy. So there's a place on the ground there where we have some sort of diplomatic presence and military presence. But we've got to be very careful with the use of our military. And I know that there's some talk about contract security companies going in there to basically open up the routes, open up the ports, you know, return a monocum of security to the oil companies that are going to go in there. I mean, you seen some of the oil company executives have indicated that they're a little bit hesitant. You know, Chevron's been down there for, I guess, 20 plus years. So if the Chevron's been down there and hasn't been touched in a while, then Chevron's probably, you know, they've probably been paying somebody for their own security or paying the government of Venezuela under Maduro.

So there's a lot of, a lot of machinations, if you will. I would not recommend that President Trump put any military on the ground down there. than to open up an embassy, if we're going to, in fact, do that. I would not, you know, maybe, maybe the, you know, there's contract security. But again, who is paying for that? Is, and I've been told that this is where Venezuela and the Middle East matter a lot. Okay. So do, are there elements, are there countries, nations in the Middle East, like Qatar or or Dubai, you know,

Abu Dhabi, the UAE, maybe the Saudis, maybe there's some, maybe there's some World Bank, you know, funding that comes in to pay for the issues and the security and the safety of what's going to happen in Venezuela. Because if the United States has got to foot the bill, then then American people are going to be sick of it because we're already paying out the two through, you know, I mean, 40 to 50 percent of our taxpayer dollars are going into straight into corruption, straight into somebody else's pocket. that we don't want it to go into. I mean, that's, that's been proven with this, within this last month of, of all the stuff going on. I, you know, all this, all this, this discussion about Greenland, the discussion about, well, the lack of discussion about Europe and Ukraine, the discussion about Gaza and the reconstruction of Gaza, the, the, what's going on in Iran, all of it matters because it takes away from what the American people want to have happen here in our country. I mean, I want President Trump to so succeed.

And I do think that the exquisite nature of the military operations that we conducted in Iran to destroy their or to certainly degrade their nuclear capabilities, the way that we pulled off getting Maduro out of there. But all of those come with a reaction, right? There's an action. That's what I just described. And then there's a reaction. And that's the reaction from the region. The reaction from the people of Iran, right? I mean, is Iran going to collapse?

We don't know yet. You know, Trump has said, you know, you better watch out. Otherwise, we're going to do something. So what does that mean? Venezuela, you know, the CIA is going down and it looks like the CIA is kind of in charge of Venezuela. Is that what we want? Is that what the, are those the objectives of the president of the United States? What would the point of extracting Maduro be unless Trump had a game plan?

In other words, that was not an easy thing. to do. It was insanely complex and rehearsed and rehearsed and rehearsed. Obviously, the stakes are so high that, you know, you cannot imagine that they did this just like no big deal. So then the question is, if they did it, why did they do it? And I can't help but think that there was a reason. I mean, why would Trump want Maduro to be in Brooklyn? He has to have a bigger reason. No, exactly. And I can tell you, it's not because of fentanyl. It's not because of fentanyl. It's not because of fentanyl. I mean, yeah, and maybe it is because there was a plan by, by Maduro to send in a thousands, thousands. And I'm, I've heard as many as 20,000 members of this TDA

organization, this trend of the Agua into the United States. So we talk about, you know, three, four hundred, five, you know, 500, five thousand. I've been told as much as 20,000 in the United States. So that's, that's a good reason. But is that a, is that a complete reason? No. What we know that Venezuela was involved in, we know this now. This is not theoretical anymore. This is about what Venezuela did for elections, global elections around the world. And we know of at least 30 to 32 countries. I've been told as many as 70 plus countries. I mean, I know I've seen the list of at least 32 countries and how they affected elections. And then how those elections and that system was then turned on on us. Now, who inside of our country allowed that and enabled that? Somebody had to have enabled that. Okay, that's the question. You've asked that question.

I've asked that question since November of 2020, I've been asking the question. Who? Right. This is not, when people say stuff happens, you're like, excuse me, who gave the order that six states should shut down? There's a name. There is someone. Yeah. Can we not find that person?

I would think that Trump would be trying to find that person if he doesn't already know who that person is and would be wanting to do something about it. Yeah. And I think that they, I think that it's not just one person, Eric. I think that it is a small group of people. And I think that, you know, the names would be very familiar to most people. I do think that the how and why needed to be absolutely like we got it. We've got to make sure that we know how it was done. So now we know that.

We know how it was done. No doubt about it in my mind. And I've actually met some of the engineers that created this stuff. I've seen the affidavits of one of the officers who actually hired the chief technology officer for this software and hardware, all Venezuelan. You know, I've seen enough. And again, this is my world. I pay very close attention. Everything that I've seen is open source. Now it's who. Okay. So who directed is it is a, is, it is it a is it another conspiracy from uh you know run run in from Washington D.C. by the likes of a Barack Obama and others within his, you know, uh, coterie, so to speak. Is it, is it that kind of a group? And I do believe that that's what we're going to learn

because there, those names have popped up. You know, there's other names that have popped up. I mean, if they conspired to commit, uh, treason in that, you know, after the 2016, after the loss of the 2016 election, which is what the president of the United States of America, Donald Trump and the director of national intelligence, already said they did if they conspired to commit treason to undermine a duly elected president and to overthrow this country in the post-2016 election,

then why would we think that they wouldn't steal an election? Why wouldn't we think that they wouldn't go and say, we need to get the following, we've got to overwhelm these places in the country, and here's how we're going to do it, it. And this is the method that we're going to use. And the other part about this, because there was a meeting that a group of people had back, I think it's like 2019 timeframe, where they talked about the introduction of COVID, because COVID is part of this. This is not just Maduro and some machines and some

software. So when you look at the initial discussions about COVID and what COVID was going to do, never mind what it did physically that Bobby Kennedy has really described, I think, in great detail, but what it did for our voting, because what it changed is it immediately said with the introduction of COVID, the shutdown of everything, we are going to have to have, if we're going to have elections, we're going to have to use mail-in ballots because that's the other, that's the other domain of our elections that we know now we're just ruthlessly corrupt. I mean, I mean, so corrupt. And, you know, with everything from, you know, the voter rolls being just absurdly out of whack and corrupt. But the mail-in ballots, the U.S. Postal Service, and it hasn't gotten into the Supreme Court yet.

But the U.S. Postal Service is an arm of the executive branch of government. So, you know, really it's unconstitutional to use the U.S. Postal Service in an election. So people go, well, how do you get your votes? How do you get absentee ballots? Well, absentee ballots are different. I've used absentee ballots. But the Postal Service to do mass mailing is such a corrupt way to do it because these are human beings and who, you know, kind of like who puts those people into power? Who puts those people into those positions, right? It's usually the President of the United States through the U.S. Postmaster General. And then you start to look at, you know, the bureaucracy and the and the governance. I mean, it's so corrupt. So, you know, that's a component. of it. So COVID, mail-in ballots, the whole machinery. I mean, Trump now has all of this, and he's got his own investigation going on. I think it's, you know, it's in coordination with the Department of Justice. It's in coordination with the National Intelligence Director.

But he will come out with some statement of fact here, and I think he's going to have to make a a crucial decision about how our elections will be run. As he has said, as he's put into an executive order about no voter ID and valid voter ID, U.S. citizenship, no mail-in ballots. I mean, he's given kind of a short laundry list of things of how we should conduct elections. I mean, we cannot stand as the United States of America and say to the rest of the world, Eric, that we are a beacon of hope. We are a beacon of light.

We are the true North Star of how countries can be if we can't get our own elections free and fair. And right now they are not free and fair. Nobody believes that. I mean, the Democrats Republicans. And you know this, that if people don't believe

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I do. I do, Eric. And this is where the American people are at. It's like that the justice system and the judiciary in our country is just some seem to be working. Those people that took an oath of office that were part of the government or in the government now because there are some that got caught up and that are in the government that have been suspended or or, you know, their clearances revoked and all that that are in the government. There's a few of them. But those people that are outside the government that took an oath of office that tried to make. their security clenances, they still have a responsibility, as I do, you know, to adhere to the Constitution of the United States of America. And if they undermined it for nefarious and conspiratorial purposes, which we now know was done, then, then they're, you know, they don't need to stand trial in a, in a Miami court. President Trump, as a, as the duly elected president in the United States, has a duty, in fact, a constitutional duty to preserve the Constitution of United States of America. So if it's not happening in the Department of Justice, which is, it just doesn't feel like things are moving as fast as need to be. For the scope and scale,

the scale is huge, right, of what, of what Pam Bondi is, is, you know, has on her plate. And she doesn't seem to have, I mean, I don't know her. I, you know, I met her. She seems to be a very nice person, but it goes back to what I said earlier. These are large organizations. And you You cannot run them conventionally right now. There is just, if you run it conventionally, you're going to run out of time. And so there has to be an unconventional approach to how President Trump seeks justice and demands justice on behalf of the American people. Because if it doesn't happen, the greatest enemy that Trump is facing, you know, is time.

And every day that goes by, he runs out of time. and come, you know, not November, you know, I mean, he's going to have to get involved in the election process for the primaries and for the general election. So he's going to have to spend time doing that, never mind the justice that's going to be required for a group of people that we know conspired to overthrow this country. We know that. This is not in question anymore. We know that they did this because we've been told by him and by certainly by, certainly by. our great DNI that there is sufficient evidence to show that they committed treason. You can't tell the American people that and then just nothing happened. That's the issue.

When Tulsi Gabbard said that and then President Trump said it, I thought, well, and you've referenced it, boom. Like if they hadn't said it, we're just talking. But they said it. We've heard very little from Tulsi Gabbard. Do you have any sense what's going on there? I mean, sometimes, you know, people just kind of. float in and out, haven't heard from her in a while.

Yeah, I think that Tulsi is deeply involved right now, I believe, in getting to the bottom of the intelligence or the information that was hidden in the intelligence community related to our elections. So I was, you know, understood that Tulsi was supposed to come out, the DNI was supposed to come out with an election report last summer. And they realized, after starting to look into this stuff, it was like so bad. And I believe that what Tulsi, why is she so quiet right now? Because number one, I think Tulsi Gabbard is very effective.

She's a very effective person. I found, you know, I wasn't so sure about, because she doesn't have the, you know, the background that you would want to have in a position like that. But, you know, sometimes that's okay. But she's very effective. She's a good, strong leader. And she's black and white, you know, either it's right or it's wrong. And so I think what we're going to see out of her is, is, uh, is something that deals with a very strong election, you know, demand and information that's going to come out that's just going to blow our minds.

People are going to be just so upset about it and Trump's going to have to make a decision. Now, one thing on that, so people understand, why Tulsi, why the intelligence? A lot of the information that these people were using were not classified. This is what we've learned in a lot of the disclosure so far, emails and such that have come out. a lot of it wasn't, most of it wasn't classified. What they did, though, was they used classified systems and they use compartmented, you know, record keeping so they could hide it from the American public. And even they hit it from themselves or from certainly bureaucrats that might have seen something

and going, hey, this isn't right. This can't be right. And you have a whistleblower. So a group of people actually use the intelligence networks, communications networks and compartmented systems to be able to communicate the basically. the undermining of our country. And that's where Tulsi, I think, has really dug into and she has been discovering. And I think that's what we're going to see get exposed. And that's why I don't think you hear much from Tulsi, because Tulsi's not one of these people that's going to get out there

and pat ourselves on the back, you know, like others. She's not. She's actually, you know, if she goes on TV, she has something very substantive to say. If she speaks publicly in a, in a cabinet meeting, it's always very substantive. It's kind of like Bobby Kennedy, too. He's another one that speaks very substantively. And I think that's where Tulsi's at. And I do. I remain hopeful that Tulsi is going to be a big part of why our elections, why President Trump is going to have to make a big decision about why our elections need to be fair again. And so we're able to run an election that is, in fact, fair. All these people, because I heard this on Sunday, if somebody, a senator or something talked about, you know, how the Republicans are

out registering Democrats across the country. You know what? It doesn't matter to the Democrats. It doesn't matter to the left. If you don't change the election system, you know, they'll win, they'll win just because they know how to cheat better. I have to ask you about NATO. I sneer at the idea of NATO. I don't think that, you know, when you hear, people, you know, kind of like the Bushies and whatever, they talk about the post-war order. They're living in another century, obviously. And the people that we could look to as are allies, France, Germany, England, I think you could make the argument that they're really not our allies anymore, that we do not share with them the values that we once shared with them. They don't

believe in free speech. They don't believe in liberty. They're not who they were. We, you know, we were kind of on a long ride with them at one point, but it doesn't seem, I mean, Canada yesterday, you know, the head of Canada, it seems to me that he would prefer China to take over Greenland. He doesn't really care. He's a coward. You know, it's kind of like the French with Hitler. Like whoever is the biggest guy, we'll just go with him. So I sometimes think that's what we're dealing with in this, you know, post-war order and that Trump is aware of this. And it's why he doesn't care very much what, you know, the head of Germany or Macron or Starmor have to say. Yeah. So a couple of things, because this is a

really super important stage that the United States of America is in right now historically. And I think that what you're touching on and what I've seen people write about and talk about is super important. And this is what is the order of the world going forward, right? Is NATO. NATO was created after World War II as a defensive, you know, chartered organization to defend against the rise of communism and, you know, in the Warsaw Pact, right? And the Warsaw Pact went away in 1989, 1990 time frame. And NATO didn't go away. NATO grew. I mean, it like tripled. quadrupled in size. And so why? And we're spending as much money. In fact, we're probably, you know, footing the bill for the last 50 years for NATO to the tune of about 50% of the budget.

So, I mean, so I think there has to be a reckoning of whether or not NATO is still a organization that needs to exist any longer. The order of the world in terms of, you know, neighbors, allies, friends, partners. You know, like you can talk about countries like Japan, Republic of Korea. What we used to call the Five Eyes, right, which still exists today, the Five Eyes is a sharing of intelligence, some of the most sense of intelligence between the English-speaking countries, right? New Zealand, Australia, Canada, the United States, Great Britain. I mean, those are the Five Eyes countries. I mean, we can't, Canada, the guy that you just mentioned, he's a socialist.

He wants to be, he wants, you know, China, he wants to be, you know, a state within China. Starmor over in the UK, this guy's another socialist. The Australian government is about to collapse because Australia, most people don't know about Australia, but Australia has had open borders for a long, long time, decades. And Australia is pretty much, they're pretty much gone. I mean, I don't see Australia returning to a form of democracy, if you will, anytime soon. And New Zealand, New Zealand is in the same boat. So this order of the world, and I do believe that Trump's focus on our hemisphere, right,

and the security constraints and the security conditions for the American hemisphere, right, from the Arctic down to the southern tip of South America. I mean, we do need to relook that order. We do need to relook who are our partners, you know, over in the other parts of the world. There's a very technical difference. Most people don't know, but there's a very technical difference between a partner and an ally. Typically, allies you have treaties with, right? We have treaties with, we still have a treaty with Greenland.

Most people don't know about it. It goes back to post-World War. too. So, I mean, there's a lot of interesting things that are happening. As far as NATO goes, I think Trump is absolutely right to call them out and say, look, Dato, we need to have a conversation about whether or not this organization should exist anymore. And why? Because you know what? You know what? Europe has the European Union and the European Union hates America. They hate Trump. They only like America. Look, it's obvious. It's been obvious. to me for some time that NATO is a joke.

I don't know why NATO exists. Once the Soviet Union goes away, I don't even know, can somebody please explain to me why we have NATO? I feel the same way about the UN. And I wonder, I don't know what Trump is going to do, but it seems that, you know, we know that everybody in the mainstream media will lose their minds just as they do anytime he says anything about anything, you know, that we're going to go into Greenland or whatever.

They lose their minds, but he is a disruptor. through an existential crisis. I can't imagine what the world is going to look like 10 or 15 years from now. We're seeing a realignment everywhere. And if all the corruption that we've been talking about is exposed, what will be left? I mean, honestly, I cannot really. Let me go to what we always say, right? At the end, I know how this ends.

God wins, right? Okay, okay. So, and I have to believe that our Christian values as a, a people, as a society, as a culture here in the United States of America. And then when I think about the Christian world outside of America, and I look at where Christianity still blossoms, and it's in places where these elements have not been allowed to come inside of and subvert. Now, what are those elements? Well, they're socialism, communism, you know, Islamism, elements of fascism that don't believe in in God, that don't have God at the center of their society,

of their cultural norms. You know, when you think about the United States of America, we still have that. But boy, as we saw in a church, you know, this past weekend, you know, there is going to be an assault on churches, more pastors, more ministers, more priests need to stand up. But when we look at other countries around the world, Poland, right, that have, that the Poles have protected their Christian values, their Christian way of life, places in the Balkans, Serbia, Serbska, Hungary, right? I think, I think down in South America, we're seeing some of that. I think Millet would tell you that there, you know, he's trying to protect that. Lula in Brazil is not, Lula is a communist. And, you know, they're going to allow the people to quietly go to church, but they don't like, they don't like God.

They don't want God. They don't want people to congregate in places where they can communicate to talk about what our values should be. Our values should be Christian, you know, God at the center of our nation. That's why our country was created. And you know what? You know something, Eric, the rest of the world still does look at the United States of America and say, you know, when they start out, when they have a conversation, about America. They said, why is America so good? Because America is good because we are, we have a God center at the, at the center of who we are. And we always have to the, to the, even to the point of

the majority of our registered voters in this country, you still can't become president of the United States unless you get the Christian vote. You can't. And so, and there's a lot of Christians that will vote for the left. And you, you know, you kind of say to yourself, you know, why? Why would you vote for an idea or an ideology that actually wants to move God out of the center square and into the, you know, the atmosphere somewhere, right? And government is how we're going to run things. That's not how we run things in a family. That's not how we run things in a local community. That's not how we still run things in our, you know, mainly in our school systems. I mean, that's why you have the rise of

homeschooling. It's blowing up in this country, which is a good thing. You have the rise of people sending their kids to private schools if they can afford them, even if they can't afford them. You have all these people that are trying to help. Why? Because we are still as a nation, we are still that, I call it the true North Star. And that true North Star is because we still see something in ourselves that is strong, that is dignified, that is biblical, and that is, you know, that is good. Well, you, everything you just said is dramatically in agreement with what I always say, and I would have probably said it if you hadn't said it. I'm just finishing a manuscript, a gigantic manuscript on a book about the American Revolution, which ultimately

is the story of everything you just said. This country is inescapably founded on Christian faith, on every level. All of the founders understood it. Some were extremely explicit about it. It is why I have hope. I believe God's hand is on this country and that he wants to use this country to reorder the whole world, you know, according to his plan in his timing. So I'm hopeful.

I know that his hand has been on Donald Trump, and it is the main reason that I know we will prevail. Just a joy to have some time with you, General Flynn. God bless you. Thanks for being with us. While the corrupt federal elites have been quietly building wealth through cryptocurrency, hardworking American patriots have been left behind. Today, I want to tell you about metaxis crypto.com. They're bringing access to cryptocurrency wealth to real Americans.

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