The Eric Metaxas Show - #43 - Seth Ward "Is Atheism Dead?"

Episode Date: January 24, 2026

Today On The Eric Metaxas Show, Eric sits down with filmmaker Seth Ward to preview the new "Is Atheism Dead?" streaming series and walk through why they believe modern science keeps strengthening the case for God. They unpack the Big Bang story, Einstein’s attempt to avoid the implications, the telescope discoveries that changed everything, and the fine tuning arguments that challenge a purely material view of the universe. Subscribe for clips from The Eric Metaxas Show to hear politics and culture from a Christian perspective.📢 Sponsor: BlockTrustIRA — Smarter Crypto Investing for Your Retirement: https://www.metaxascrypto.com/⏱️ TIMESTAMPS0:00 Intro2:34 Seth Ward Joins3:10 Why This Series Matters11:08 Did Einstein Try To Hide It?13:20 The Telescope That Changed Everything22:11 The Big Bang Proof Moment30:23 What Does Fine-Tuning Prove?34:28 Why Science Should Spark Wonder

Hey there, folks. If you know me, you know that I've written some books. And one of the biggest books I've written is called Is Atheism Dead? Is Atheism Dead in a nutshell? This is the nutshell version. Basically, it's asking the question, you know, it's like my friend Frank Turek says, do you have enough faith to be an atheist? because the evidence against atheism is so monumental.

And the evidence for God has become so monumental. I mean, it really is impossible to overstate it. It's gotten to a point where you have to simply not know about the evidence. Because if you encounter the evidence, and that's why I put it in my book, is atheism dead? You're in trouble. If you want to be an intellectually satisfied atheist, you're dead. Do not read my book

is atheism dead. There is just no doubt that science has been pointing toward the existence of God. It's become utterly overwhelming. And again, people think I'm exaggerating. I was myself so astonished by the evidence that I really almost couldn't believe it. And I thought, I have to write about this.

So I wrote the book, Is Atheism Dead? This is the handy paperback version for the beach. You read it and then you throw it away. But the hardcover, which I recommend, you know, it's been out for a few years now. And we decided that we need to make a TV series based on the book is atheism dead. So to present the scientific evidence for God, which again, mind blowing, to present the archaeology. logical evidence for the Bible as history and other stuff. And, you know, to do it in just the right way is tricky.

I'm very fussy and very finicky. You really want to do it in the right way. I don't want to do something that's just going to be, A, it's great for, you know, for the church youth group. No, I want this message to reach everybody. And in order to do that, you need to find the right partners. and I happen to be friends with somebody who is a brilliant filmmaker,

artist. His name is Seth Ward, and he's my guest right now. Seth, welcome to the program. Hey, Eric, good to be here. How's it going? I don't want to embarrass you. I mean, I do want to embarrass you

because I like to tease you, but, you know, you really are a creative genius. And unfortunately, that's what's required to tell this story correctly, because I think that we've all seen a lot of, you know, the adjective, we always say cheesy, you know, cheesy kind of Christian stuff or whatever. And a lot of better material is getting out there. But to really do this justice is not so easy. And I am thrilled to say, I should have said it already a few minutes ago, but we are almost done by the time you hear my voice by the time.

you see this, we will be done with the first episode. And I am just hugely excited. I can't believe that we're at this point now. And I mean, this has been a huge journey for you. I mean, it's, you know, I wrote the book, and that was my hard work. But you have been making this. And I just, first of all, let me say again, thank you for being willing to do this because we really, unfortunately, needed somebody of your talent.

But I've just watched you on this journey as you've done the interviews and stuff. I don't know if you want to say what that's been like or if we could just jump into some of the stories. Absolutely. You know, it's been a lifelong journey to do this show. I mean, since I was a little boy, I was stargazing and also questioning, you know. I did grow up a Christian family, of course. My dad is a pastor. but I also was blessed with a dad who was very open to my questions and very happy to introduce me to people like Carl Sagan and at the same time enrich my face.

So I never had this sort of closed in, you can only believe this about the Bible or God or whatever. And I used to watch Cosmos with my dad. And so he instilled with me a sense of wonder about the universe and creation that was, that was, I think, incredibly healthy. So I've grown up with this. And I have to say, you know, I've really enjoyed, of course, the process of interviewing these brilliant people. But I think the thing that's that I always wanted to do something like this

and film something like this and be a partisan like this. But I don't think it would have possible had it not meant for your book. I mean, your book really was the first one that I've read that kind of brought all these things together in a way that made it possible to create a film or create a show about it. and give a context to it that would be incredibly rivety and interesting and engaging, something that people, I think there are questions that so many people have had and so many people still have, whether you are a believer or non-believer.

And I think that's the great part about your book, is that really, it could be for anybody. It really could be. I mean, it's for that person who truly wonders what's going on in this universe, what's happening, how did it get here? And then not only that, but the person of faith, who, who has for a long time sort of been, feels like they're the outcast and their science, and their science party.

You know, it's like, it's not true. It's not true. So what we want to, talking to all these great scientists and all these, the world leading scientists in their field and hearing just the wonder of it is the thing that really,

I think it's the most powerful aspect of making this film for me. It's just been incredibly to hear the complexity, the beauty of, of creation. and how to express that such a way where you're wondering, how could there not be something behind it?

Well, you know, the larger narrative behind the book is atheism dead. It started for me when I wrote my book Miracles. So this is like 10 years ago. And I thought I'd been reading over the years, because I've always been curious after I came to faith. So what am I supposed to think about science? What am I supposed to think about that question or this question or how long has the world been here and how did we get here? You know, everybody should have those questions.

But it can be tough to get good answers. There's a lot of bad answers. Bad answers on the secular side, very bad, but also bad answers in the Christian community. And so I was privileged to over the years bump into people and their work like Hugh Ross, who's in the film, does not get better than Hugh Ross. Dr. James Tour, who's in the film, doesn't get better than James Tour. These are like freakish geniuses, men of incredible faith, who also bring, I mean, absolute, you know, tarot genius to their fields in science. And John Lennox, who I've interviewed a number of times. But in reading their works over the years, I was amazed.

Like I thought, you know, I don't even know this kind of stuff existed, but then I realized like a lot of people haven't read their books or maybe their books are kind of difficult or something. I said, I want to communicate this stuff. So in my book, miracles, I put just in the beginning of the book, a few chapters on the miracle of creation, which sounds like a cliche, until you actually look at it and you go, what God has created is frightening. You almost want to get a heart attack. It's so amazing. It's so amazing. It's. It's unbearable when you realize what God has done. It is just beyond, beyond, and it makes you want to worship God, right? So I put that in the beginning of the book. And you know the story, and I've probably told it before, but I wrote an op-ed, which was published in the Wall Street Journal on this idea. And the title in the Wall Street Journal was, science increasingly makes the case for God. The Wall Street Journal published it, and it went more viral.

than any article in the history of the Wall Street Journal, 650,000 Facebook likes or shares. I don't even remember. And it went more viral than anything by a factor of more than double of the number two article in the Wall Street Journal. And I thought, why is this? This is because everybody has the same question. Like, does science argue against God?

Does God make me, you know, say that I can't look into science? Do I have to? And so the answer is no. God invented the universe. And it was Christians that gave us science, gave us the confidence to want to explore creation scientifically. And so when I, so that article went so viral that I said, I think I need to write a whole book about it. So that's why I wrote the book, Is Atheism Dead?

and the first episode, we should probably talk about this a little bit because there's a lot of episodes, but the first episode is about the Big Bang. And I just have to say, I mean, it was your idea to go to the, talk about the idea of the telescope going to the idea of the telescope

because that's part of the whole story. Yeah, says that was a kid, again, I've been fascinated with this telescope. It's on the Wilson Observatory at South in California. And it was the first really, truly, tremendously big telescope ever built. And because it's so big and because we've come a long way with telescopes, and it's so hard to get to, it's not like something you use some kind of observatory

you just drive out to. You know, like, oh, kids, let's go. It's a really long way. It's a huge trek. It's kind of fallen into memory. And when I went out there to see this telescope, it was a telescope where Hubble discovered, first of all, the expanding universe. He also discovered that the Andromeda Nebula was what they called the same time.

It was actually another galaxy. So the universe opened up to humanity in a way with this telescope that was so incredible and massive. Probably the only thing that compared to is the Hubble telescope deep, deep space image. But I think this is even more incredible. I mean, the things that were discovered about creation there. I probably should have framed it just so people understand what we're talking about. Let me let me let me let me let me let me let me let me let me let me let me let me let me let me. frame this. Let me frame this. So scientists believed for the longest time in what's called a static

universe, right? So if you believe there's no God, you just think like, look, the universe that's out there, it's just always been there and that's that. Right, right, right. But around 1915, folks follow this. This is insane. Around 1915, Albert Einstein, through his equations, discovered that it looks like the universe is expanding. Right. He realized that. if that is true, if the universe is expanding, just like an explosion, it would have expanded. If you run the clock or the film backwards all the way, it would, if you run the explosion backwards, the film backwards, it goes down to a single point, just like anything that would explode from a point. So Einstein realized that his equations that say the universe is expanding, uh-oh, that means it looks like it looks like. the universe was created, like kaboom from nothing, the universe was created. Einstein was made uncomfortable by that. He said, oh, you know, all the scientists who believe there is no God, they're going to accuse me of being a religious, of being a theologian. So I need to bury

this information. And insanely, it's almost unbelievable. Albert Einstein created like a fudge factor. He calls it the cosmological constant or whatever, whatever he called it. I don't even remember. And he kind of just made it go away. It's like, forget about that expanding part. Let's just talk about everything else. And a few years later, a number of other scientists said, oh, excuse me, you were quite right. Yes, yes, the universe is expanding. So one is, was he Belgian, the Catholic priest, Lemaître?

Yeah. George Lemaître. He discovers, yes, the universe is expanding. And it looks like it expanded from what he called the primeval atom. So just like the concept of the Big Bang from nothing, the whole universe emerged. Then, which gets to the telescope you're just talking about, they build this telescope in the hills above Pasadena. And you and I went there and it's in the film.

And you're the one that convinced me like, oh, I need to go see this telescope. But I mean, this is what's so amazing to me, Seth, is that in 1917, They built a telescope, which was the greatest telescope ever built in the history of the world. They could see farther into the heavens than anything that had ever existed before. So with the greatest tool science had ever made, they were able suddenly to see something that they'd never seen before, which was that, holy cow, the universe is expanding. We actually can see it. And this has to do with red shift and blue shift. And, you know, you explained it in the film.

But that was another, like, heart attack for the people that said, we don't want to believe that the universe was created and it's expanding. It's always existed just as it is. So the fact that you and I are in the film able to visit this actual telescope, which is still there, which was the state-of-the-art telescope in 1917 and the years after, there's, there's, like, comedy in it, right? Yeah, right, right. That the further science went, the more it pointed to the idea like, oh, yeah, oh yeah, God actually did create the universe or somebody sure created it.

It didn't exist forever. Like, that's just an unbelievable concept to me. It is. You know, and I also personally, and I think you felt this as well, is when I went to the telescope, I just didn't expect how massive it was. seen pictures, I didn't, I'd expect to be sort of overwhelmed by the, all of the passion and knowledge and, um, every, every bolt is, it feels like it's hand forged. It was built the same time it's a Titanic. It's something, something so incredible at an engineering feat so incredible that the kind of energy and passion and, and desire to see further was, was, it blows your mind.

your mind right now we have to pass, we get things past like billions of dollars in the budget to go puts its telescope, it takes a zillion years. This was funded by people who wanted to see it happen. The Gilded Age money by, it was the not the

Rockefellers, it was the other rich people. The other rich people. Carnegie, yeah. Carnegie. Yeah, and so, and, and, I mean, they're bringing this stuff up this huge mountain with donkeys. I mean, the one truck they had, I mean, the kind of effort was so incredible.

not only that, the engineering feed. I mean, they had to hand-forged these cogs and gears up there because if they did it down the ground, they brought it up, the altitude would change it just so slightly that it would cause the telescope to not be perfect. So if you've seen anything made from that time, it was made with such artistry and care, that you feel that as soon as you come in there.

And all that's poured in just so they can see further into the universe. And I feel like that's such a human tendency that God has put in all of us. And as far as your point, as far as like what they saw and God is like, you know, there's the Mark Twain quote. It's like, you know, faith is believing something you know ain't true. And I think that's the opposite is true has happened. And since the advent of this telescope and advent of since the time that Big Bang has happened,

we've seen this. It's almost like God is saying, well, come and see. You finally have a telescope. You figured it out. The way I saw it is that they built this monumental, telescope, this monumental instrument to look into the heavens. And it's like what they saw, which kind of shocked them,

they were able to see far enough into the heavens that it's kind of like they saw God looking back at them. That's right. Like they actually discovered, oh, yes, it looks like there's a God. That was the last thing they expected to see to that telescope. and you can imagine how it upset people. And I know that in my book and in the film,

we tell the story of how Einstein was embarrassed by this because suddenly he is shown to have been a chicken. You know, in 1915, he was like, well, I don't want to deal with that. And then it turns out 15 years later, oh, by the way, you were right. You should have spoken up. You should have had some courage. But I think it speaks to the general problem that we have where there's this lie out there that to be a,

scientist is somehow to be anti-god or to not not to go there. That's just not true. And this, the story of the discovery of the creation of the universe, what we today call a Big Bang, that's the story, basically. And I think we talk about it in the film, too, the idea that people still didn't want to believe this. Even after the telescope proves it, you have all these people like Fred Hoyle mocking the idea and in a BBC interview he actually says he uses the term big bang to mock the idea he goes it's like oh yeah it's like this big bang they're talking about right and then the term big bang is accepted and it's used now to describe what actually happened and in 1966 should i talk about this i mean i know i also

want to make the point that you know Einstein you know everybody you know the kind of the when we when we describe Einstein now i say the swiss patent clerk and i don't i don't think that people understand what that really means most of the time. It's like some kind of fancy thing. He was basically a low-level bureaucrat, you know, towing away with his stapler, you know, doing nothing. He's a nobody, right? He's, he's hungry. He's a nobody. He's working on this equation, this kind of craziness for 10 years is, you know, in his little office and his cubicle. And of course, you know, with this equation comes the idea that the universe is expanding and there could be a beginning. He's like, I can't do that. I'm not going to, you know, jump on

the scene and blow towards, you know, Newton and everybody else and say, you know, it's, I'm going to, I'm going to be starving. So a part of me sympathizes a little bit with his chickenness. You know, he's like, let me figure something out. So I'm not going to, you know, everything went totally crazy and flush my work down the toilet. But, yeah, I feel like the process was no one was allowed to believe it. You were not taking seriously. The Enlightenment sort of just canned all that.

And then along comes Einstein with his theory, and it was the beginning. it really was the beginning of a new idea about the universe, about God, it reframed everything. And of course, all of them went kicking and screaming, right? And so I think you talk about that your book really, really, really wonderfully. It's like, you know, even himself, even Einstein himself went kicking and screaming. You know, it's like, you know, this can't be true. Hey, folks, before we get back to our guests, I just want to say a lot of people donate when there's a headline.

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They say like, oh, everybody says that, uh, you know, to be a sophisticated scientist, I have to take God off the table. Right. And they go, oh, okay, I guess I'll do that. And then the evidence through the 20th century, which is, of course, the narrative of the whole book, more and more and more and more points to the existence of God.

So, you know, you should have gone with your gut because it turns out truth is truth. Now, the funny thing to me is that, so you have people kicking and screaming, even into the 1960s saying, I still believe the universe is static. I don't believe in the Big Bang. But there were people, and again, this is like one of these concepts.

They thought, okay, if there was an explosion 13.8 billion years ago that created time and space and everything in the universe, if there was an explosion, the temperature, the energy from that would have just been like off the charts. And that temperature and that energy has been dissipating through this explosion for 13.8 billion years. if that is true and if we're talking about a closed universe then there should still be some trace of that initial energy in existence

it's going to be very little I mean if that radiation that heat has been dissipating from that fireball for 13.8 billion years it's going to be very very very faint but it should be detectable which would prove the initial explosion

we'll get it. That's what happens. In 1966, some people in New Jersey, a couple of miles from where I'm sitting, discover with this radio telescope, this background hiss, and they say, we got to get rid of this hiss, this static. How do we get rid of it? And they try and try and try and try to get rid of it. And then they realize the hiss that we can't get rid of is the background radiation.

It is everywhere in the universe. The reason you can't get rid of it is because if you're in the universe, that radiation exists, it exists everywhere. It is, in 1966, they find the proof of the Big Bang. End of story. It just, it's so insane. And then in the 1990s, the Kobe background, they're able to even to map it more, you know.

So it's just so fascinating, which, and again, ties into the larger theme of my book and the theme of the series, that science every day points more to the, existence of God. I mean, but, but Seth, I mean, again, the reason that I'm excited that you're the director on this is because you, you get the childlike thrill over this. Like, this is, we're living in exciting times. This is a big deal. Because most of our lifetimes, we were told the opposite. So to be live at a time where we can actually talk about this is huge. I mean, look, you've, you've worked, I should have said in the beginning, you've worked with Morgan Freeman, you've worked

with James Cameron, you've worked with some of these big names. So to have somebody like you, directing this streaming series I'm excited because I think almost everybody is going to be excited about this this is not just like for you know for your friends who already agree with you this is really

it's just really provocative stuff and you kind of bring that to it the curiosity absolutely you know when I when I first took the crew out to to meet us at the telescope and you know you're always a little bit when you have it we have a new crew and you're you know you want to get them rowed

up you want to get them on board. Sometimes, sometimes that's the case, but sometimes it's not. But in this case, it was to the extreme of how excited they were. They were like, these grown men turned into little kids again. You know, they see something like, there's just an awe. It reminds, it, going out there and seeing the telescope, but I think you felt it too, it allowed you to be childlike. You're like, look at this.

I can't believe this. someone did this. So much passion went into this, the dream of seeing further. And I think that the need to see and the need to wonder is, and when I speak to people about faith and my faith, the idea of wonder and beauty is the thing that probably draws them closer to the line than anything else. But at the same time, when you have something like your book

or something like his film, when they started digging backwards like, yeah, but what about this? They're suddenly like, whoa, what do you mean? You know, and they find things out that they didn't know because that was the other part. I mean, I've read a lot of things before I read your book and before you really lined it out really beautifully. There were things I didn't know. I didn't know how hard people thought about the Big Bang idea. I didn't realize that Einstein, what I didn't realize is that Einstein actually came up with the correct equation.

And I knew his statement, you know, is the greatest blender in my career. And you sort of grew up thinking. And I wonder if someone was purposely framed that he actually screwed up. He didn't screw up. He had to figure out perfectly. But he decided to change it because it was the idea was so terrible and frightening that, oh, my gosh, this could be a beginning. This is going to make all the religious crazy to go crazy. I don't want to be a part of that crowd, right?

And the things like that that when you find that out, you begin to understand that the human condition is really the thing that keeps you from coming and seeing and opening your mind to the possibility of this. It's really something our need to be right, our need to hold on to paradigms that, you know, that explain the universe in a way that make us feel comfortable and keep us from asking harder questions about ourselves and about what's going on around us, right? So, yeah, the wonder of it really is is the part for me that drew me to the show, drew me to want to make the show,

and I hope that that's throughout. We line it out really clearly, and it's a complicated subject, but it's, at the same time, you've made it easy to, a story that's easy to tell in the art of film.

So I'm really thankful to be doing it, man. It's really, really excited. Well, listen, this is, I mean, again, it's exciting because this is big news. In our whole lifetimes, we lived in a world where people say science is at odds,

faith and suddenly boom it's not and you think well that's a headline you know it's kind of like the dog yeah dog bites man that happens all the time man bites dog wait whoa that's a headline the headline that science points to god that's like that's gigantic that's absolutely gigantic and and we should be clear before we go that you know if science says science does say it's not if Science says that you can't create new matter or energy, right? That, you know, it's just, it exists and that's that. And that's a law, right? Except science now says, oh, yeah, except that one time at the Big Bang when science says, again, there's not Christians saying it's not the Bible.

It's science says out of literally nothing. aim all of time and space. I mean, it's mind-blowing stuff. But what is more miraculous than that? I mean, it's why I put it in my book miracles and why I wrote a whole book about it. I said, there's nothing more miraculous than the concept that there is,

science says that there was once absolutely nothing, no universe, and then at some point, boom, the entire universe emerges out of a point into what it is, which is so many galaxies and so many days. The whole thing is so incomprehensible, and yet that's what science says.

So we're living in very exciting times, and I'm glad I got to write about it. I hope people will read my book as Atheism Dead, but the fact that we're now making it into a streaming series, Seth, again, I'm just thrilled that we got you to direct it. I know people are going to be like drooling to see this. And I almost think like it's going to be a problem when they see the first episode because they're going to want the next one and the next one. And they're coming. They're all coming. It's like we're working on it.

You're my documentary side, Eric, my filmmaker side, I'm dying to ask you a question because when you say science points points towards God. How would you how would you explain that when you're when you're, I mean, you've said this in your book, but I mean. Yeah, well, I didn't, I mean, I, you know, as we've been talking here, I haven't said it really. but the main thing is the fine-tuning. I mean, the Big Bang is like the one big example, which I just explained. But the other thing is the fine-tuning. In other words, we haven't had the tools until recently

to see closely into the nature of things. And so we have had in the last decades, let's say, let's say the last 40, 50, 60 years, an ability to see things that 100 years ago we couldn't see it. In other words, when we talk about the complexity of a cell, when Darwin was alive, a cell had no complexity. You couldn't see much complexity, really. And you could say, well, I could see how that just emerged out of nothing and, you know, yeah, by itself or whatever.

But then once you discover, you know, the DNA code, you just think there's no way now that we can see these things that this stuff just emerged by happenstance. Like, that's clearly insane. So what is the alternative? So being able to see the insane complexity of things, and then what's called the fine tuning, and the fine tuning is kind of like, you know, we now know that if planet Earth were 3% bigger, there would be no atmosphere, no life.

If it was 3% smaller, no atmosphere, no life. And you'd go, wait a minute, wait a minute, what? So you mean to tell me that the Earth has to be exactly the size it is for us to have this atmosphere in life? I mean, I grew up watching Star Trek and whatever. There's life everywhere, right? No. Science says no, but that memo has not gone out. And that's why I wrote the book.

It's like people need to get the newest information. Science is more and more and more saying that everything is perfectly fine-tuned, you know, especially for our existence for life and so on and so forth. That is just, it's overwhelming news. A lot of people don't want to hear it. but like we got the receipts. That's right. Look at it.

If you're honest, follow the science. But, you know, so that's... One of the things I love about your book, one of the things that you've done, Eric, is that there used to be this fear of science, fear of learning, fear of knowledge, if you're a Christian or a believer of any faith,

that you're going to, the deeper you look, you're going to find out something that's going to make you challenge your faith or you're just not going to bother with it. So you see that people tend to kind of back into this corner of, oh, well, it's just about what the Bible says, literally it's going to be this, got to be this and you invent your own kind of world to live in that said not with science.

But what's been great about your book, and I think in the article shows this, that you wrote that everybody flipped out of it. I remember reading that article. I'm thinking, wow, who is this guy? This is really brilliant. I love this. It makes you feel courageous that, wait a second, God's created a universe. You don't have to be afraid of looking into it, looking at the complexity of it. As a matter of fact, when I was in college, when I, my sophomore year in college way back, I had a kind of a crisis of faith. I was really, you know, wondering about the universe and I just challenged in ways that I hadn't been challenged before

and I took an astronomy course and probably not a more hard-boiled atheist and the teacher that I had that was astronomy professor but looking into the universe and being a musician and being someone who's and a filmmaker who understands that the complexity just doesn't happen out of nowhere and not only that there's beauty to it

and then all these things are so fine-tuned I mean I could throw a bunch I let my piano sit in there but until I to write on it or write a piece of music and write write something that's so magical. I mean, it has, it takes me to do it. And so the further I looked into space and how huge it was and how incredible it was and the design and the complexity, it just brought me closer to.

It was like, well, it can't be just, you know, from stupid nothing chance. And so what this does and hope this episode does is it gives anybody the courage to look deeper, especially people of faith, but also people who were just wondering about it on the fence. And I think, you know, I want to thank you for writing this book, Eric. It's really, really a magical thing that we have that. And I hope everybody reads it and watch this film. Watch the show. Well, you're very kind.

I just want to ask you, what is the title of the PBS documentary you did about Odysseus? Odysseus Returns. This is Returns, yeah. Okay, because I've, you know, I've talked about that on this program. Folks, if you want to know who directed that with Morgan Freeman's voice and,

whatever, Odysseus returns. You can see it on PBS. Amazon Prime as well. And Amazon Prime. Yes, actually on Apple, though. It's Apple as well. And very soon, probably by the time this airs, you'll be able to watch the first episode of

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