The Eric Metaxas Show - #49 - Roger Stone

Episode Date: February 3, 2026

I spoke with Roger Stone about Trump’s Iran and Venezuela strategy, the Minnesota unrest and what comes next, plus the 2020 election fight, voting machines, and the deep state accountability question.The MAGA Revolution in Cryptocurrency: Reclaiming Financial Freedom BlockTrust IRA: https://metaxascrypto.com TIMESTAMPS(0:00) Intro(10:04) Roger Stone Joins(12:58) Trump’s Foreign Policy Playbook(18:43) What Does “Deal” Mean?(26:30) Minnesota, Insurrection Act Option?(30:10) 2020 Fraud Evidence In Georgia?(37:15) Deep State, DOJ, Accountability

Hey there, folks. Welcome to the Airpoint Texas show. This is February 2nd, which is Groundhog Day. And this is a very exciting week. This is Monday. So I believe that means yesterday was Sunday. I'm pretty sure no matter what your faith is that if it's Monday today, yesterday is, yeah, Sunday.

We have a lot of very exciting guests. Jack Hibbs is going to be with me on this program. Kirk Cameron, we're going to be talking about hell. Can I say that word? Can I say that word? We're going to be talking about hell with Kirk Cameron on the program. We've got Roger Stone on the program, the great Roger Stone. We have also Travis Johnson on the program.

Some of you know Travis Johnson. I'll just leave it there. We've got a lot of exciting guests. But I want to talk about this weekend. Suzanne and I were invited by Naomi Wolf. Now, some of you know Naomi. She and I were in the same class at Yale. We were politically not where we are today.

Let's put it that way. And we, Naomi got an award at the New York Donald J. Trump Republican Club. This was deep in the heart of Brooklyn. This was so in New York that it made me feel, you know, like a Texan. It was so New York, even though I was born in New York,

even though until we moved Connecticut, I had a New York accent. The group of people that were in the room at this, it's a golf club deep in the heart of Brooklyn. I know it doesn't make sense. This is, you know, it was there before Brooklyn became Brooklyn.

But there were so many New Yorkers there. Curtis Sleewell was there. there. Scott Labato was there. It doesn't get more New York than Scott Labato and Curtis Slewa. And there's other characters that were there. The whole thing was emceived by a guy named Joe the Box. Joe the Box.

You know what? We're going to have these folks on this program. I'm talking to my producer, Chris Heimes. We are going to, we're going to bring New York to the world. We're going to show you as all something you've never seen before. It's something is happening in New York. I guess this is the way, my way into that. Something is happening in New York.

Great things are happening in New York. Sometimes when things get really, really bad when you elect a Jew-hating communist mayor, good things happen, Romans 828. Yesterday, Suzanne and I were walking home in the cold. and the mayor, Mamdani, has done such a bad job. You got to give him grace. He's 33 years old and a dumb Jew-hating communist. So, you know, you have to give him grace.

So a lot of the streets are not plowed correctly. The sidewalk, you can't even walk. There's snow on the sidewalk. You can't walk, whatever. So there's a guy walking his dog near us. And I point to the snow that's blocking our path that should not be there. And I say to the random guy walking his, dog in we're in the cold at night and i said did you vote for this mayor you know because i've become

that guy and he goes no he says he says i won't he goes he says i won't vote for an anti-semit this is a random guy on the street walking his dog he's like i won't vote for an anti-semit and i said god bless you and i won't vote for a you know communist but people know people are posting I think even Deborah Messing and, you know, celebrities are posting videos about how bad this mayor is. And again, in case you didn't know, he's 33. He's very ignorant. He never had a job in his life that his mom he didn't give him. And so, but when when things get very bad in New York, somehow it brings out the good in New Yorkers.

Something good is happening in New York. So I want to say that. Something good is happening. I'll be talking to Naomi Wolf about that probably next week. we'll have her on. But there's something happening in New York because when it gets really bad, good stuff happens. I'm telling you,

you'll see, you'll see. Okay, so I want to mention, because yesterday was Sunday, we were in church, we were at King's Church. As you know,

I mentioned my pastors, David Englehart. And they always, at King's Church, they always talk about making big Christians. In other words, we don't want to like just blow up the numbers, have a big church.

We want big Christians. We want Christians. You want Christians who know what it is actually to live out your faith and to live out your faith heroically, self-sacrificially, against the culture. You know, not to be like, I don't know, one of those Christians. And this makes me think of last night, obviously, if you're watching this program, you probably didn't watch the Grammys last night, right? Like, are you kidding?

I'm, no. If you did, there's grace. but I wanted to comment on the fact that we're living in a time where we've seen this drift from the beginning. I mean, I was a little kid when Marlon Brando was virtue signaling with, I don't know, what's her name, Little Feather, you know, when he didn't accept his Oscar and he sends up a woman to virtue signal about how the Native Americans are being treated or whatever. This has been going on since the beginning of time. Hollywood has always been ridiculous, but it's become more and more obvious. And so now at the Grammys, you have, it's a level of stupid that is comedy, actually, right? It's comedy.

But what I find interesting in particular is, first of all, everybody's a DEI higher. Okay. Why is Trevor Noah hosting? Because he's sort of black. Basically, he's not funny. Like, so we'll get him. It's like, why did Don Lemon have a job? Because he's black and gay.

Like, that's basically why he had a job on CNN. This is the world we live in now, which is just ridiculous. And everybody knows it. I think when his name was mentioned, Don Lemon's name was mentioned at the Grammys, he got a standing ovation for leading a group of sick people into a church to protest. No, not to protest, to disrupt a worship service. and then pretend that that's free speech. Like, yeah, I'll go into a maternity ward

and, you know, start screaming at the nurses who are trying to tend to the babies. I'll say, well, it was free speech. Like I was, you know, no, there are places you don't get to go in and scream and shout. And at church service is one of them. So at the Grammys, to show you where they are, they thought that was free speech,

so they gave me a standing ovation. So it's all just woke lunacy. But the last thing I want to say on this subject is that what passes for Christianity is mostly fake garbage Christianity. For example, Justin Bieber, who claims to be a Christian or he's spoken about God or whatever. He shows up in the Grammys. He performs in his underwear, basically, at the Grammys. He and his wife. These are both ostensibly Christians, right?

but they both have to have their virtue signaling, ice out pins. You know, imagine facing real persecution in China today as a Christian. And what would you think of Christians like that? You just want to pat them on the head and go like, it's not, you're not really being brave warriors for Christ, wearing your little ice out pins and stuff. But that's kind of the world that we live in. It's harder, way harder for somebody to say, I am for Trump than to say I'm pro-Jesus.

To say I'm pro-Jesus is a meaningless statement unless you're actually living out your faith in Jesus. So this is what we call, we put in the category of dead religion, right? Like you just blah, blah, blah, I'm a Christian, but you don't want to live it out in a way. way that's going to be countercultural, that's say I believe in borders or way. Oh, that's way too hot. So you won't say that. Jelly Roll was bravely said something about Jesus,

and you could tell it was real and beautiful. But anyway, I didn't want to talk anymore about the Grammys. I just want to say a couple things. I'm just fascinated by the looniness of it. Real quick, this Friday in New York City, We are having a Socrates in the city event. I'm going to be interviewing Martin Shaw. I'm reading his book right now.

It's pretty amazing, actually. I think it's called Liturgies of the Wild. But if you're in New York or you know somebody who's in New York and wants to come, go to the Socrates and the city website. But it's going to be a, you know, a real Socrates event in New York. I should have mentioned this for weeks, but I've been kind of busy. So that'll be this Friday, February 6th. Today is Groundhog Day February 2nd.

All right. God bless you. We'll be right back. Ladies and gentlemen, I don't know who I said I was going to have on the program, but I believe I lied. I didn't lie intentionally, which is to say I didn't lie at all. My guest is Roger Stone, the great Roger Stone. Roger, welcome back. You make me happy just to see you.

Thanks for coming on. You didn't lie. You just misspoke. It is great to be with you. I was under the impression. We were having somebody else. But listen, first of all, we have to tell the audience that the shirt I'm wearing, which is my new favorite shirt.

You've had something to do with this shirt, Roger. Can you tell my audience about how they can get shirts like this? No kidding. For many, many years, people who see that I have a distinctive manner of dress have urged me to produce my own custom line of menswear, which is a very complicated and expensive thing to do. I have now finally done it. You can go to rogerstonesoots.com,

rogersstone suits.com and i have a very carefully curated selection of suits men's blazers trousers and dress shirts you're wearing what you say is now your favorite shirt which is ironic because it's also my favorite shirt is that true okay well i love the cutaway collars the extreme cutaway collar you're wearing a super extreme cutaway collar and a lovely tattersoll vest look at you. Incredible. We've had this unusual cold snap here in Florida, which is a good thing because you can bring out the flannels, the wools, your Homburgs. I wrote a great piece on the Homburg that I just posted a few minutes ago, your Chesterfield coat.

I mean, we don't get to do that very often in Florida, as you know. Well, yes, I do. I do know. But so my collar is, it's like a cutaway. Yours is even more of a cutaway. Like, I didn't know. Is that a super cutaway? What does that call?

It's called an extreme cutaway. The collar is slightly smaller than the one that you're wearing. Yeah. They're both, you know, look, Donald Trump hates this collar, whether it's on you, whether it's on me. He would always say to me, that's a nice shirt. But why don't you have a normal collar? Because I have unbelievable style, sir. Well, look, everybody has this.

their own taste. But I don't think, very rarely, I once in a while on a Friday, I'll wear a button down collar. Yes. But only on Fridays. Yeah. Well, so if people want to buy shirts like this or whatever,

they can go to rogerstonesoots.com. Correct. Rogerstonesoots.com will take you right there. Okay. All right. Well, I wanted to mention that just because I was very excited when you decided to come out with, that people can get this close. And I said, I want to have you on just to announce it because

people like me, we've been waiting for this, you know. So thank you for doing that. I want to talk to you obviously about current events. Where do we even begin, Roger? Where do we begin? What are you thinking about? Well, you know, I think that Donald Trump's foreign policy has been brilliant. On the one hand, you have the neocon element in the party that's still quite influential, despite the fact that today, this is the party of Trump. And in both the cases of Iran and Venezuela, of course, they wanted a full-scale invasion, boots on the ground, long-term commitment, unfortunately, American casualties. And then you have the extreme isolationists who say, well, we shouldn't

get involved in either place at all. I don't agree with that. So I guess I consider myself, like Trump, generally speaking, a non-interventionist. So what he's done here is, to project American power in a very limited but effective way, for example, in Iran, taking out their nuclear weapons development program without the loss of a single American life, without any stay behind troops, but he launched a devastating blow at the regime. I do think, and I had former Senator Bob Torcelli, who was a member in the Senate, Foreign Relations Committee on my radio show this weekend. And he made the point that the same kind of limited projection of power could now be used in Iran.

In other words, strike the Iranian National Guard, Republican Guard, headquarters, some of their authoritarian keepers in very targeted attacks. that doesn't mean in a long-term endless foreign war. You saw the same thing in Venezuela, which very clearly, not about regime change because we didn't change the regime. It was about going in and arresting one man who was the centerpiece of narco-trafficking into the United States, of both fentanyl and cocaine, by the way, in a police action in a law enforcement action,

flawlessly backed up by our military. Once again, though, no boots on the ground, no long-term commitment to war, no American casualties. It's what I love about Donald Trump. Well, I'm exactly with you, because I do think that there are people, you know, the people that were worried about our bombing Iran's nuclear sites,

I think, are you not willing to do anything? I mean, it really doesn't, it becomes like they create this bizarre doctrine that says that we're never going to do anything because it'll be another Vietnam, another quagmire. And you think, well, we've learned some lessons there. So no, we don't want to go into these places the way we did into Iraq or whatever. But surely we have the power that we have to be used wisely. And I think that President Trump gets that. I still think people are wondering, I don't know if you can show any light on this, and what is going to be. going to happen in Venezuela? In other words, we do want, we essentially want regime change, you know,

because these terms become so loaded. What is regime change? I mean, we don't want Marxist, corrupt monsters running Venezuela because then it's no different than if Maduro is running it. So how do you suppose that is happening right now? When President Trump said, we are running Venezuela, what does he mean by that? Well, first of all, those you say this is all about oil, they're correct. by denying oil to the Cuban regime, it really destabilizes Cuba, which is a good thing. By denying oil to China, which is where the Venezuelans were selling most of their oil, it really hurts the Chinese. And then to turn around and say, well, America will control that oil, that's a good thing,

not a bad thing. Secondarily, clearly what we want ultimately in Venezuela are Democratic elections and candidates who are true Democrats with a small D. Not necessarily the CIA backed up opposition, which if you do any study at all, I must say that Maria Koshina Machado seems like a nice lady. But she's got deep, deep socialist roots if you look very deeply. So I'd like to see elections there as soon as possible. I'd like to see a truly democratic system. I think the president agrees with that. But in this transitional period, at a minimum, we have stopped the flow of oil to two of our biggest enemies.

Which is amazing, which is amazing. I'm wondering also about Iran. In other words, when the president drew rather a bold red line and said to the Iranian regime, to the mullahs, if you're killing people, you know, he drew a red line and he encouraged the protesters to keep protesting. And then suddenly the news kind of veered off onto other subjects. And I think a lot of us were wondering what is going on there? What is Trump doing? I know that he's moved the carrier group. I think there he said, you know, maybe we can make a deal.

In other words, he's in his way threatening the current regime and saying maybe it's time to make a deal. What do you suppose he means by make a deal? I think he means that the current Mullahs should leave, should relinquish power and leave and to turn the country over to some transitional government for the formation. of a democratic society. Now, going from theocracy back to a monarchy is not the answer. Yes, I think Jimmy Carter made a horrific mistake in betraying the Shah. Not that the Shah was anything great in terms of human rights, but he was at least a U.S. ally. And women were not oppressed under the

Shah. Women were allowed to have an education. It was a relatively cosmopolitan society. students were able to study abroad, but we're not going to return to a monarchy. That's mostly astroturfing. By the way, you and I will now be pummeled with hundreds and thousands of bots telling us, no, no, the Shah's son should be returned to power. So get ready for that. Well, but, I mean, it even depends on what we mean by that, right?

I mean, he can be returned to power in a titular sense. He can be, you know, it's, I mean, actually, I don't agree with that. I'll tell you why because the regime, the current regime uses fear of the Shah or the memory of the Shah as a public relations tool. Now, if the Shah's son wants to compete in a democratic election down the road and run, and if people choose him, that would be fine. But just the restoration of the House of Palabi is not going to solve the country's problems right but i i'm just wondering whether he can be a force for the good that he can come in

and bring some stability just because i'm sure there are some people uh that wish they could get the shop back so it's it's a little complicated in any case obviously what we're looking for is to move away from this satanic theocracy that's currently there and you um do you think that there's a timeline for the president right now because uh You know, I'm not sure what's going on with the protests there. Again, the news is not really clear. Have they been simply crushed? I'd say a couple of things.

First of all, I think people need to recognize, given the brutality of this regime, which in the past has done mass public executions as a way to intimidate the people and to crush the opposition. Just the act of protesting in that society takes enormous courage. I think the estimates on the number of people slaughtered by the government are low. We've seen that around 18,000. My sources tell me is closer to 36,000. This is an incredibly brutal regime. But Donald Trump is not a man to be trifled with. And I think that things like his actions in Iran previously,

his actions in Venezuela, means that world leaders realize that unlike Joe Biden, who might, you know, if the Chinese invaded Taiwan, he would send a strong letter of protest, I think that they recognize that Trump is a man who says what he means and means what he says. And therefore, I suspect that there is right now in Cuba, for example, I think that there are a lot of very tight sphincter muscles. I think they're very, very, very nervous, and they should be. Secretary Rubio and Trump, I think, have made it very clear that we're not going to tolerate Marxist narco-terrorism and Marxist narco-trafficking in this hemisphere. Take, for example, Honduras. I mean, first of all, yes, I was an advocate for the pardon of the former Honduran president, largely because, President Hernandez was framed. If anyone will examine his conviction in New York under the Biden Justice Department, Juan Orlando Hernandez, the president of Honduras, signs an extradition treaty, the first one in history of the United States. He extradites two of the biggest murderers

and drug dealers in the country, drug traffickers. They both go on trial. They're convicted in New York. They're in prison, and then they're released for prison in return for their testimony against Hernandez. Now, when you go look at the entire case file, that's the only evidence against him. There's no financial records. There's no evidence of the transfer of money or drugs. You have two convicted murderers and drug dealers with an ax to grind testifying against him. This was done to get him out of the way politically. So the president valiantly, and I think correctly and justly, pardoned Hernandez on a Friday. By the way, I was paid nothing for my advocacy.

This idea that Stone was paid, I was paid nothing. I studied the case and I read a compelling letter that President Hernandez wrote to President Trump. I prayed on it for a week before I forwarded the letter. I read everything in the case file, the trial transcripts, all the exhibits, all the filings by both sides. By the way, Hernandez's defense lawyer in the middle of his trial vanished, disappeared. And the trial judge appointed a defense attorney who worked closely with the prosecution to convict it for the balance of that trial. But then on the following Sunday, two days later, the nationalists won the election in Honduras. And they won it honestly.

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What are your thoughts there? Well, first of all, what we're facing in Minnesota based on a lot of citizen journalism is very well-oiled, very well-financed, paramilialed, paramilialed, paramilial. military-style insurrection. When you have these signal-chat groups that identify federal agents based on their license plates, where they are, what they're doing, where they send teams of thugs out to interfere, that is insurrection. That's highly illegal. The fact that the lieutenant governor of Minnesota and tampon Tim Walts' chief political operative and campaign manager were involved in these signal trap, I find very, very troubling. So this is not indigenous grassroots,

peaceful, spontaneous protest. This is a well-oiled machine, just like we saw in the Antifa and Black Lives Matter riots in 2019 and 2020. So the question is, what can the president do about that? He must know that. So what do you suppose he can do? He has the ultimate nuclear option of invoking the Insurrection Act, I do think that there are some problems. I mean, ICE agents come from a more extensive law enforcement background. They have a lot more training, whereas Border Patrol agents, many of them, don't have extensive law enforcement background and have undergone only cursory training. Now, supposedly, when an arrest is made, The team is supposed to comprise of three ICE officials and three from the Border Patrol.

The expertise of the Border Patrol is arresting people. That's what they do. The purpose of the ICE agents is to stop any interference with that arrest. But the team that arrested Alex Pretty or Pretty was all Border Patrol. And frankly, in many of these cases, the optics are not good. Let's not lose sight of the fact that 70 plus percent of those, even in Minnesota, who have been arrested, have criminal records either in their nation of origin or here in the United States or they're awaiting trial for crimes committed here, and they should be

deported. I think it's good that the president is talking to the governor, but at the end of the day, the conditions the president have laid out, the governor can't possibly agree to it. So this idea that Trump pulled back or Trump blinked or Trump threw in the towel, all of that is falls. And if you look at it on day by day basis, the arrests for deportation have continued at the same pace they were previously. I think the president's done a smart thing by sending Tom Holman there to get a firsthand look at what's going on. I think he's going to make some changes at the border patrol. But I see no lessening in the president's commitment. And ultimately, if he has to, and I don't think he wants to do this, but it is certainly an option, he could

invoke the Insurrection Act of 1807. Now, instead of dealing with border patrol and ice, these violent protesters and thugs will be dealing with the U.S. military who just demonstrated how capable they are in Venezuela. Let's go also to the election fraud. We know the election of 2020 was stolen. More information is coming out. Tulsi Gabbard was recently in Georgia. What do you suppose is cooking there? What do you think is happening? I think there's a couple things going on in some, which I easily. First of all, for those you keep saying, all of this was decided in Georgia, Trump's just raising this.

This is all been read. That's all false. The same people who say, oh, Trump brought 60 different lawsuits and he lost all of them. No, he brought 60 lawsuits, and none of them were heard. They were all dismissed on the basis of technicalities, usually standing. So the evidence of election fraud in 2020 has never been before a federal court for adjudication, nor has it been largely in front of state courts. Secondarily, of course, we know that a Fulton County, Georgia, testified before the Georgia State Election Board only weeks ago and said, yes, there were 315,000 votes for which we have no signatures and no record. That's a violation of state law.

That's known as probable cause. Trump only lost by 11,000 some odd votes in the final count. And also, I think if you go back and listen to the entire transcript or the entire recording of the president's call with the Secretary of State, and you see it in context, he doesn't say go out and find me 11,000 votes. He says you have already inadvertently counted more than 11,000 votes. So just finding enough illegal votes that have been counted would make me the winner, which it would have. But then there's the other front, which is the electronic voting machines.

There is no question whatsoever that the working group in the United States, which appears to be petted by Tulsi Gabbard, has very solid evidence in both Venezuelan and Chinese online interference in our election. I do have to tell you, Eric, there are elements within our own government who don't want that information to come out, don't want it to be reviewed. I suspect it's because there are some in our intelligence agencies who use this same technology to interfere in foreign elections in the past, and perhaps we're involved in the use of it here in the United States. So it is a struggle internally, but the president is very serious about getting to the bottom of it.

He's chosen the right person because Tulsi Gabbard demonstrated to us in the Russian collusion hoax, where she finally declassified all the documents, proving that that was the greatest single dirty trick in American political history and probably the largest single abuse of power. But whether those criminals, the people who were involved in a seditious conspiracy that started in the Obama White House, continued through the Russian collusion, Hoax, continued to two phony impeachment, baseless impeachments, then moves to the election of 2020, which I think is fraudulent, the January 6 Fedurrection, the so-called documents case against Donald Trump, the appointment of Jack Smith, who runs an extra constitutional operation to get Donald Trump, spying on U.S. senators and congressmen and others in the wake, that is, one continuing conspiracy, same people, same conspirators, and therefore a grand jury in

Southern Florida, this District of South Florida, can charge people for those crimes. It may be seen whether that's going to happen, but I'm praying for it. I mean, clearly there are many Americans who really just want to see justice and we're tired of hearing about, you know, things are happening. Do you have any sense whether the Department of Justice is on the job? Because many people have expressed doubt about that. Look, I think the jury is still out, and I'm not going to prejudge. But I do recognize it didn't take them much very long to charge me, to charge General Flynn, to charge Donald Trump.

So at a certain point, you're going to have to ask what's going on in this realm. I do have to say going back to election integrity because it is part of this puzzle. The mainstream media, working with the Democrats, did a great job of shutting down any examination of this extension of fraud. If you question the election, they tried to make that a crime, even though everybody has a First Amendment free speech right to question the election. But they decided to make it a crime. They decided that if you raised any of these questions, whether it was 300,000 ballots, popping up out of nowhere at 3 o'clock of the morning in Michigan, after the Republican observers had been physically removed by the Detroit police,

and after they boarded over the windows so that nobody could observe, if you raise those questions, you're some kind of a nut, you're some kind of a conspiracy theorist, what's wrong with it? So they did a very good job of suppressing this. I don't think they'll be allowed to suppress it or able to suppress it a second time. Well, again, you know, what Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and James Comey and Clapper and Brennan and on and on and on have done demands justice. So I'm just wondering, what do you suppose the president's view is of these things? Does he not, maybe he doesn't care, maybe he's kind of moved on.

It's difficult to understand. You know, I don't speak for the president quite obviously, but I don't think. that's true at all. I think the president is committed to accountability and justice. Now, the left would try to tell you this is about revenge and retaliation, which is absurd because they're the ones who try to destroy him. They're the ones who tried to impoverish him. They're the ones who try to break him financially. They're the ones who try to keep him off the ballot in 50 states. The ones who try to put him in jail. And now, when you go back and examine how they broke the law and violated the Constitution.

They say, oh, that's retaliation and revenge. No, it's accountability and justice. I think the president is still deeply committed to it. I mean, and we have to, you know, say, why do we care what they say? They lie so horribly. I mean, it's really a fascinating thing that we're worried about what they say

or they're going, oh, gosh, they'll call Trump a fascist and authoritarian. They've been doing that since 2016. So at this point, I really do hope that we push all this stuff through. I think that we need a thorough cleansing that America cannot really, you know, we can't go forward unless we deal with what happened starting in 2016, but obviously with the election fraud. It's a subversion of the will of we the people.

It doesn't get worse than that, Roger. Like, that's it. That's the end of America. If we have elites kind of running things and saying, well, it's nice what you people think, but we don't really care. We're going to do what we want to do. And, you know, the deep state, I don't know about you, but I had not heard of the term deep state

until the end of 2020. It's the first time I heard that term. And I thought, deep state, what's the deep state? Because that's how naive I was. And I think most Americans realize that we have a decades-long problem that needs fixing. You have been great at helping me, you know,

see this going back, you know, through Reagan, to JFK, that we have had this elite class in D.C. running things. And that's not what the founders set up. I just finished a 600-page book, which I wrote on the American Revolution. And it is so astonishing to me how far we have drifted from the founding vision of what America is supposed to be. And I think most Americans would like to go back to that. But in order to go back to that, we have to deal with the last 60 years. And obviously, again, you've been really great in explicating what it is that we've been, you know, gaslit into believing. Well, and the president has been a real leader. He's certainly shown the leadership to get to the bottom of who really killed John F. Kennedy.

He's shown the leadership to get to the bottom of really killed Senator Robert Kennedy. He's committed to getting to the bottom who really killed Dr. Martin Luther King because I don't think the individual is charged in any of those cases. I've written books on a couple of them are actually the perks. Dwight Eisenhower put it best when he was leaving. He warned us about the military industrial complex, the buildup of power between some in the bureaucracy, the think tanks, the defense contractors, and so on. And they have had a disproportionate amount of power. The last thing in the world they expected was the election of Donald Trump. I mean, everybody knew this was going to be Jeb Bush versus Hillary Clinton,

who's kind of hedge you win, tails. I win. It didn't really matter. So Trump has changed things in a profound way. He stays the greatest single comeback in American political history, something the odds were overwhelmingly against. I happen to think divine intervention is a key factor in that because on paper it should not have been possible, but it happened. And I point out to you, We carried Arizona while our U.S. Senate candidate carry Lake lost. We carried Wisconsin while our U.S. Senate candidate there lost. That's highly improbable, if not impossible. So I think there's still interference in our elections.

Thank God we have a man in the White House who is committed to exposing all of that and exposing the foibles of the deep state and who is deeply committed to both peace and prosperity. Before we go, Roger, have to ask you, can you give us any wisdom? You don't have to if you don't want to, but on what's going on with Tucker Carlson, I could not be more mystified by his drifting into some of the places that he's drifted, some of which seems to me to be openly anti-Semitic. I cannot figure it out what's going on. Chucka Carlson is a good friend of mine.

I frankly don't think I'd be with you here today if he hadn't been a false-throated advocate for my pardon when I was framed in the Mueller investigation. I haven't talked to him recently, so I can tell you his point of view. I find the attacks on him equally tedious. Beyond that, I really have no comment. Well, I'm glad I asked you, and I appreciate that. Roger Stone, we love you. Thanks for coming on.

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