The Eric Metaxas Show - #59 - Mel K

Episode Date: February 18, 2026

I talked with @MelKShow about the Epstein document dump and why she believes it points to intelligence networks, blackmail, and powerful institutions protecting their own. We dug into claims about finance, academia, and global influence and talk through what accountability could actually look like now.SPONSOR: Honest, fast, and free Medicare plan guidance: https://askchapter.org TIMESTAMPS 0:00 Intro 0:16 Mel K Joins 1:03 What Do The Files Show? 5:54 Harvard, Money, And Influence 10:23 Who Knew, Who Looked Away? 14:06 Island Claims and Cover-Up Questions 19:04 Clinton Network And Banking Trail 22:39 Deep State, CIA, And What Now - - -

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I don't know. So I thought maybe you can help me. Yeah. I mean, the problem is that this has been going on for decades. And in plain sight, if you knew what to look at, and now we are at a place where things that were out there since 2008 and 2019 are now new again. And, you know, a lot of people had a lot of problems with Donald Trump calling it a hoax.

But I think they misunderstood what he was saying when he was saying that. He was saying, as we now see. that they were going to turn this into something having to do with Trump. Trump is not implicated in the Epstein case. He actually called the Palm Beach police all the way back before his first trial and reported Epstein. He kicked him out of Mar-a-Lago, but people have come in later and decided that Trump somehow is responsible for this.

The truth is that this has been going on since at least the 70s. And what we know about Epstein more than anything else is he has been some kind of operative for international intelligence the entire time goes back to him being hired at the very prestigious Dalton School in New York City without a college degree to teach math to teenagers where Bill Barr's father was the headmaster, oddly enough. So that's where the intrigue starts. And then, of course, you know all about Bear Stearns from there. Ace Greenberg, who ran Bear Stearns, hired Epstein again no college degree no background he ends up being at bear Stearns as it implodes he walks away Scott free and becomes a a fixer or a money

manager or somebody that's able to hide money for billionaires is what they say but now as we've as we've learned not only was he doing that but he was an intelligence operative of some sort certainly working for multiple countries which takes me to what I believe which that the CIA, MI6, and international intelligence agencies are actually all one in the same and really were never about protecting America as much as they were about protecting the international banks. So where we are now is that the first case in 2008, there were 33 young girls under 18 that were, and there were way more, but there were 33 criminal referrals for pedophilia and rape of children.

And what happened will- Now, just hold on a second. I want to clarify our terms. I don't approve, obviously, of 17-year-olds being trafficked. But when somebody says pedophilia, I think of younger. Yeah. Is it both? Like, what are we?

Because honestly, it's so unclear to me what we're talking about. It's all wicked. It's evil. But what are we talking about? I know that there were some girls mentioned as young as 14. Is it younger than that? Yes. Tell us.

Okay. So now in this new trove of emails, you can see it clearly, but it is much younger than that. There's 10, 11 years old. There's emails. You know, people are conflating this with PizzaGate, which is really about John Podesta and his emails, which also are very bizarre. but in these emails it's clearly 10, 11, 13. Okay, hold on. I have not heard this because people need to know.

I don't take in that much news and I'm ignorant of a lot of stuff. So that's the first I've heard of. Yeah. That is beyond belief. That is beyond belief. You know, to me, I think people, they act like, oh, there's no levels of evil. It's all evil. And it's like, no, it's not equally evil.

to be doing something to a 10 year old as to a 17 year old. They're both evil. But, you know, one of them takes my breath away. Yes. In a whole, it's so many names are in this, in this thing. Did you know that my name is in there, I think? No. Yeah, listen to this.

Ken Starr was, I believe, I don't know, but as I read an article that he was in contact with I guess he was going he was one of the lawyers or he was going to be one of the lawyers yeah the 2008 case yeah no no this is that well yes but they were in touch later yes and he recommended he was he was clearly trying to get Epstein to think about faith and he recommended my Bonhofer book oh I think I was I saw that. I mean, yeah. Somebody shared that with me, I thought, is this a joke?

A lot of people are in there. It's like that. I mean, that's the problem is that the trove that they released is a lot of also random tips and random information that has nothing to do with the criminality. And I think what people are missing is that the pedophilia and the blackmail and all of that is really one aspect. What is really clear now is that Jeffrey Epstein was not only involved in all of this weird transhumanism stuff. So he had a, he under Larry Summers, who of course was Barack Obama's national economic advisor and, you know, he used to be the head of Harvard.

He gave him an office, Jeffrey Epstein, at Harvard that he had for almost 20 years. And Harvard took in tens of millions of dollars from Jeffrey Epstein for all kinds of. of research, particularly in the human genome project, in things having to do with transhumanism. He wanted to, people say that the Zorro Ranch, which was never investigated, it's a gigantic ranch in the middle of New Mexico, in the middle of nowhere, essentially, because obviously early on it was put out that Richardson, who of course was the governor there, but also UN ambassador, was one of Epstein's main friends and showed up in a lot of the depositions. And he had this ranch. Well, that ranch was fashioned to be some kind of baby-making

laboratory of some sort. And Jeffrey Epstein was very interested in not just transhumanism, but also in eugenics and breeding the perfect species, as scary as that sounds. So he gave a lot of money to very prominent scientists that people know. I mean, the people coming out besides, you know, Lieber, who got in trouble working with the woo. Hohan lab. There are NOAC, a lot of people that are involved in CRISPR technology, which is obviously manipulating a fetus inside the womb for, you know, designer babies. I mean, he was, he essentially believed that he could play God with the human genome,

and he was trying to figure out how to do that. So what Epstein did on the other side was he captured a lot of scientists by funding them. and now it's really connected. You know, Bill Gates has obviously lied about their relationship and how close it was. But now it's coming out that Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein were talking about what ended up, I believe, being the pandemic in 2014, 2015. They were meeting with people about it. They were meeting with people that were involved in event 201. If your audience doesn't know what that is, that's the simulation of the pandemic.

a year before run by Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the World Economic Forum, and Johns Hopkins, and a bunch of media. The other thing people have to know about Jeffrey Epstein is he was not only on the Rockefeller Institute board at one time. He was also on at the highest level, at the Council of Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission. So, I mean, we are talking very, very elite high-up groups

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Drink responsibly, B-21. And I was going to say it sounds like the phrase locus of evil in our time sounds like. I mean, really. It's really hard to process because this is the kind of thing that, you know, you'd read a thriller about this or it would be in a film like Dr. Evil and wanting to take over the world. And that's where we are. It's a chilling thing to think about. about.

Yes. Because it is demonic, but a lot of people, I guess, you know, I have some simple questions. Like, I guess I want to know, did all of the people who dealt with him know what he was doing, you know? Like, this is what's so, because it's one thing to be mentioned in there as, oh, you had dinner with him or this or that. And you kind of wonder, did these people have any idea that they're getting sucked into a very, very, very dark, wicked operation? You know, when you're talking about trafficking girls, it's, I guess that's what boggles my mind is that you wonder how many of them had some sense of what was going on. Or I don't, you know, you see Bill Clinton in a lot of these photos. Did he know?

Did Bill Gates know? Who knew? And why didn't they say anything? Or why did they look the other way? Right. Well, there is a piece of footage out there of Cindy McCain on stage at a trafficking event about five years ago. And somebody asked her about it.

And she said, everyone knew about Epstein, but nobody would do anything. And you can find that clip on the Internet. And she says, and that is about 29. when a lot of people have first heard about it. Mike Smith and Liz Croken had put out a movie called Out of Shadows in 2019 and really went through it.

But everyone said that that's when they started the whole Q&ON. And this is all fake. And Trump is leading people that think that a pedophile, international pedophile ring runs the elite and all of that. And then they destroyed everyone, kicked everyone off the internet, talking about it at all. And it was memory hold for a while. The most disturbing part to me of all of this is, frankly, the people inside the Obama administration who were very close with him.

The general counsel, Kathy Rumler, who was Barack Obama's basically general counsel the entire time he was president. And now is the general counsel of Goldman Sachs had a very obvious, very close 20-year relationship with Jeffrey Epstein in multiple emails. There's also a big PR woman, Peggy Siegel. I'm sure you know from New York. I have met Peggy Siegel. I was invited to a couple of her parties when they needed a seat to be filled years ago. But she was the doyen of high society parties in New York to event events. You know, there's going to be a big film or something.

And she would put a room together, dark stuff. Very close with him. And you can tell, Reid Hoffman, who's funded a lot of the lawfare, who funds a lot of the left-wing stuff, funded the E. Jean Carroll case. I mean, there's pictures of him on the island. The big difference you have to understand is that the island has two purposes, it appears to me. One is to get people there for conferences like science conferences. People went there like Stephen Pinker and Martin Noak and these big, you know, other people on that level, big professors for events. He had a big crypto event on the island where all these crypto people came.

Now those people are going there and it looks like a normal. conference. But then there's also a temple there and a giant sundial and all kinds of satanic, honestly, up sculptures. And there's obviously a whole bunch of tunnels under it that he had filled for $27 million after the first arrest. There was a big- Hold on, hold on. Unlike some government programs, Medicare is not a handout. It's something you have earned. You worked for decades, paid your taxes, and contributed to a system that's supposed to serve you. when you retire. So when it comes time to choose a Medicare plan, you deserve one that actually works for you, not the one that fills someone's pocket with the biggest commission check.

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Yeah, the cost $27 million to fill them, to fill the tunnels. So tunnels were there that he tried to fill. Why were there tunnels there? Now I'm lost. Well, they believe that there was a lot going on underground

because a lot of video came out when this first broke in 2017, 2018 of underground kind of, and I hate to say it, but it's the only thing to compare it to is the movie Eyes Wide Shut. but things that look like, you know, very sketchy, very satanic, that were apparently look like they are underground.

And there's a whole underground system there. Also, there was a fire on the island at some point, too. So there was a big cover up in the years after the first arrest of what was going on on that island. But it was built up again to certain extent. But there is a satanic element to this. There was a temple on the island that people know, have seen pictures of. And clearly, whatever was going on there had something to do with occult, satanic type stuff.

And frankly, what also is disturbing is there was a submarine port there, helicopter port. And then, of course. That's, this sounds, I mean, it's like a joke, right? Yeah. It's like, it's James Bond. There is a, there is a submarine port there. Yes. Really?

Yeah. And guess who has the submarine license? Galane Maxwell. So again, and then the other part of this is there is way back when, so he in 2008, in a sworn deposition, said that he started the Clinton Global Initiative, okay? And that he was the original guy with the Clintons to start that Clinton Global Initiative. Clinton Global Initiative is clearly the Clinton's, global empire. So they have their health initiative. They have their, you know, Africa initiative,

their AIDS initiative. The Clintons have about 76 different NGOs. So a lot of people look at, you know, Clinton Global Initiative and the Clinton Foundation. They have many NGOs, many of them, sadly, I believe, are connected to something we've talked about before. In 1945, they put in an international organization immunity act. I believe the Dulleses were behind that to protect the international infrastructure and so that nobody could ever look into some of these organizations like the UN or the Bank of International settlements. That is still in play today.

And some of these NGOs, which Jeffrey Epstein had a bunch of them too, are connected because of foreign like Gavi and foreign initiatives, then put them in this umbrella of being protected. So the Clintons were involved in something called the Island Initiative under the Clinton Global Initiative. And if you track the islands that they went to, so what that was is where Jeffrey Epstein's island is. There's also, you know, in that vicinity is a whole maritime path. And it passes Haiti, Venezuela, a lot of these countries that are very big trafficking countries. Well, the Clinton Global Initiative had something called the Island Initiative.

And it was with Richard Branson, who also is an island very close to Jeffrey Epstein. And what it appears is that this maritime pathway is also the biggest human and sex trafficking corridor in the Western Hemisphere, essentially. And it goes right by Epstein Island. So when all that stuff was happening in Haiti and the Clintons were put in charge of that, multiple times people attached to the Clintons were caught trying to smuggle very young. children off of Haiti and taking them somewhere that was, you know, people didn't know. And that was, and she went to jail three times for this. Her name was Laura Silsby. And the Clintons got her out of jail twice. And she was literally caught trafficking children that had parents off of Haiti to God

knows where multiple times. So, you know, there's the whole connection of the island initiative and all of these islands that are basically in a chain that all are top of the line, tier one human trafficking, sex trafficking islands. So this is much bigger than what people think. It appears to be, like we've said for years, that human trafficking took over in terms of international finance as the biggest moneymaker of them all. They say about $800 million a year goes through that. corridor there of trafficking passing Epstein Island. So what we're dealing with is an international sex and human trafficking ring that has been in plain sight, it appears, for decades. So what people should know is that Jeffrey Epstein, the whole story about him makes no sense,

but his connections to the highest level of the government. He went to the White House when Bill Clinton was the president 17 times. Bill Clinton. went to the island on Jeffrey Epstein's plane, because people have to know something else about the flight logs. You could not fly to Epstein Island. Only he really could. You could fly to St. Martin, St. John, and take a boat. Most people that went to Epstein Island came on boats.

So again, any kind of list of flight logs is just the people that traveled with him. And that is proven that Bill Clinton with and without secret service, went to his island 26 times. And then him and Epstein, Bill Clinton and Epstein and Kevin Spacey, flew for a month to Africa for a month-long Clinton something. And they spent a month in Africa where many women say that they were approached by Epstein on that trip. Then there's also his partner, it seems, was a big modeling agent, Jean-Luc Bernal in France, who also was arrested and also died in his prison cell

around the same time as Jeffrey Epstein. So that's one aspect of it. And then the other aspect is the financial situation. Most people don't know that J.P. Morgan Chase was his banker for around 25 years. And J.P. Morgan Chase settled with the victims for over $365 million. So there are decades of financial transactions

that people should know about that were flagged at J.P. Morgan and J.P. Morgan ignored them. And now in this new trove of documents, we see that Jeffrey Epstein seems to have been privy to the 2008 crash. So, I mean, there's multi-layers, and it is very James Bond, which makes it hard to believe, but the evidence is all there. And the question is, you know, people keep asking, who does Epstein work for? And like I told you, for my new book, I don't think that the international intelligence agencies, particularly CIA, MI6, and Hamas are different. I mean, not Hamas, Massad.

I think that the architecture of international intelligence that was built in tandem to the end of World War II, global, like supranational infrastructure are one in the same. Okay. And we just have to interrupt and say, ladies and gentlemen, do you understand that is anti-American? Anti-American. We don't care about international.

law. We don't abide by international law. We are a sovereign nation, and we were founded by Christians. We have certain views, and we have attempted to live them out for 250 years. And these folks are internationalists. They are globalists. They do not share our parochial Christian values that you shouldn't rape a 12-year-old. They don't think that way. They have their own rules. And the idea that our tax money would go to fund the CIA, which has not been working for the American people under the authority of people that we elect, but that has been doing its own things,

what we call the deep state. You know, that is so scandalous. We only have a few minutes left, Mel Kay. What do you suppose, do you suppose that we're getting to the bottom of this with these revelations that something might be done? Well, that's the problem, Eric, for all of us, there's a lot of things that something should be done. We are, you know, I'm at a place where since 1963 in the murder of JFK, I'm fully convinced that the intelligence community has not only been committing crimes right in the open, but it seems that not only do they never get prosecuted, they oftentimes get promoted.

And another big part of this bringing up the CIA is Burns, who was. the auto pen president, CIA director, met with Epstein many times. In fact, Epstein introduced Peter Thiel to Burns when he was Deputy Secretary of State under Obama. There are many, many people in the Obama administration, like I said, Kathy Rumler, Larry Summers, Burns, all these people that clearly knew what Epstein was doing and were interacting with him via email regularly during Obama's years. And that's after, after Clinton. I think that we might see some explanation here. But frankly, I feel that whoever they're protecting is still being protected. And frankly, the biggest, I think, thing we'll see is the collapse in the UK. Because

obviously, this is another thing people have to understand. I believe that since Iran-Contra, Epstein has been very involved in weapons trafficking. And then you put in what Hillary Clinton was doing at Secretary of State with all those weapons deals. Well, very close people to him were Khashoggi, the renowned weapons trafficker from Moran Contra, Andrew, Prince Andrew, who was basically the weapons guy for the crown, and Ahud Barak, who was, you know, basically the weapons and intelligence from Israel. So again, this is international, it's globalist, and it is. is that is where the sites could go.

Because even how I said the Trilateral Commission, he was involved with the World Health Organization, he was involved with the Council Foreign Relations, all these groups that run basically above our government, manipulating our politics. And again, all of them are committed to globalism, which is that nation states don't have power because, frankly, the power resides above nation states.

And that is the best thing we can hope for is that that is exposed and destroyed. but he is the connection of that. And do you think that Trump is on to this? Yes. Yes. And do you think that he's working? And you think that's what he's trying to do, that he's trying to, because all these

people think, you know, like American voters, you're just a bunch of suckers. We run the world. And Americans, we would say, oh, no, no, no, no. We fought a war 250 years ago. Yes. We govern ourselves. And if you challenge that, we're at war with you. So that's where we are right now.

We're in an existential crisis in a war with these globalist elites. And Trump is our champion. Yes. And he's doing the best he can. What I believe is that there are embeds from all of this. I mean, John Brennan's a very bad guy. And a lot of people believe that he still has a lot of loyalists in the CIA, still as they believe Comey and Mueller do.

And don't forget, one of the biggest things here is Comey, when he was at the Southern District of New York, obviously knew about this. But on top of that, I think people should remember that Jeffrey Epstein was at the time of his first arrest. He was only charged with one count of soliciting prostitution from a minor.

And that alone, that original entire trial is where this starts and where we should go back to and look at what happened at that time. Because honestly, after he got out of prison, a lot of people continued to do business with him. Obviously, Bill Gates, Harvard, MIT, but a lot of this transhumanism stuff,

a lot of this stuff having to do with the Wuhan Lab, is connected to Epstein's money. So again, he was funding all this stuff. The source of his money doesn't seem clear. And again, I guess they put out Les Wexner's name today, but there have been other people, a Leon Black of Apollo group settled with the victims for $60 million.

I mean, there have been 25 men settled with victims that we don't even know about and those victims signed NDAs. So when people are saying, why aren't the victims coming forward? Many of them took money, signed NDAs after the first trial and some even after the second. So this whole thing is a nest of a disaster

of the judicial system. We must look at the judicial system's part in not only allowing him a slap on the wrist where he only had to go to jail at night and at 12 hours during the day to be free in Palm Beach during his jail sentence. But frankly, whatever happened in the jail in Manhattan is not, is a lie,

because there's too much coming out to show that we have been deceived. Sadly enough, Pam Bondi with the binders, Then Cash and Bongino coming out and saying there's nothing there. See, it says to me that we have, you know, snakes in the grass inside the government. And again, I want to also say the attacks on Tulsi Gabbard, I think, are 100% because she is trying to dismantle a lot of the CIA built networks. Okay. So keep an eye on that.

If you're listening to this program and you're a praying person, pray for this country, pray for the exposure of this evil. pray because God hears your prayers and that's real. Mel Kay, we've got to have you back, ASAP. Thank you so much and we will. God bless you. Thank you. Bye-bye. Hey, folks, before we get back to our guests, I just want to say a lot of people donate

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