The Eric Metaxas Show - #85 - James Howard Kunstler

Episode Date: March 30, 2026

Today On The Eric Metaxas Show, Eric reflects on Palm Sunday, his upcoming White House Easter brunch, and his new Revolution book before sitting down with Jim Kunstler for a wide ranging conversation on the No Kings rallies, political madness on the left and right, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, the fracture inside the conservative movement, and whether America is heading into a far more dangerous season. Subscribe for clips from The Eric Metaxas Show to hear politics and culture from a Christian perspective.

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Here's to WestJetting since 96. Travel back in time with us and actually travel with us at westjet.com slash 30 years. Hey there, folks. Welcome. It is the Eric Mataxis show. I'll be playing the role of Eric Mataxis. And I want to say so much. So let's start here. It's March 30th.

Yesterday was Palm Sunday. But as soon as I say that, I have problems because growing up in the Greek Orthodox Church, of course, our Easter and Palm Sunday are different almost every year. Some years, they're the same with the other Easter. And so yesterday was Palm Sunday for most of us. But if you're Greek Orthodox, Palm Sunday is this coming. Sunday. But let's just go with yesterday. It was Palm Sunday. So I was at the King's Church here in New York City. Pastor David Englehart heads up that church. It is a wonderful church. I want to talk about that. I want to talk about what's going on this week. I want to talk about

what I did this weekend. But let me start here. This Wednesday, I will be at the White House for a special Easter brunch. Oddly enough, on April 1st, but it's no joke. And I wanted to be clear in asking those of you who pray to pray that I suppose I'll have a moment with the president at the White House on Wednesday. I ask you to pray sincerely that if I, I do get a moment with the president that I would say whatever the Lord wants me to say.

What a privilege to get a moment with the president of the United States. And I ask your prayers for me because I don't take these things lightly. And if there's something I'm supposed to say to him, I want to say it. You know, so I ask your prayers. So this Wednesday I'll be at the White House. tomorrow I will be doing Socrates in the studio interviews. I'm going to be interviewing the great legal scholar Jonathan Turley. Jonathan Turley has written a book, a brand new book, about the American Revolution.

Guess what? I've written a book about the American Revolution. Now, his book is nothing like my book. My book tells the story of the revolution. But we're going to be doing a super centennial. series Socrates in the city interviewing where I'll be interviewing people about the American Revolution. So many people have written books that I used for research in writing my book Revolution. And I'm excited to begin interviewing them.

Now, the first one is Jonathan Charlie. His book just came out. I didn't use his book in my research. But we've just got 13 supercentennial. Socrates and the city episodes that we're going to be doing over the next couple of months. So the first one will be tomorrow. I am very excited about it. And I'm excited about my own book Revolution because I just did the proofreading for it just a few days ago.

I was with my mom in Connecticut. And I said, Mom, I got to do this right now. The editor needs this. They want to send this to the printer. And I got excited about this book. And it's a weird process as a writer, at least for me, it's always a weird process, writing, and then these different phases that you go through with the book. And then eventually it's typeset and you're pulling it together.

So to get to the point where I'm proofreading, it's like, can we take out that comma? There's an apostrophe there. To this super granular level. And it is very exciting. It is very excited. I'm so excited for this book. I say that unapologetically. It's not because it's my book.

I'm excited because it's so important that we know our history and our history. It doesn't get more important than the birth of the nation. How did it happen? Why did it happen? Who are the players? Who are the villains? There's a couple of real villains in the story.

Boy, oh, boy. And I didn't know any of this going into it. I mean, I really didn't. at least some of it I didn't at all. So it's extraordinary. So very excited about the supercentennial. Can we see that I have a, we have a supercentennial hotline here.

This is, if I need to call the president on a supercentennial issue, this is the supercentennial phone. That, it's so we've got a hotline to the White House. And also to the White House of Gerald Ford 50 years ago. It's an amazing thing. we won't go into that. But I'm very excited about the supercentennial.

Well, just lots to share about that. So tomorrow we're doing that. A couple of days ago, I was in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, at Coral Ridge Church. Some of you know, the famous church of D. James Kennedy. And now it's Pastor Rob Pascenza, who's, you know, one of the heroes. and it was a conference Rosaria Butterfield was there Oz Guinness was there

Lucas Miles was there it was a wonderful conference and it was the first time I have spoken at any length on my book about the revolution and it was just a wonderful experience being down there there are some churches that you think

this is one of the this is one of the great churches and just a privilege to be down there I think we'll get the video and I will post the video. But in my speech, at one moment, this happens to me sometimes when I'm, you know, giving a talk or whatever, I realize there's somebody in the audience or congregation,

depending on whether it's a church service, that I wish weren't there because, and who was that person? It was Oz Guinness. I said, is Os Guinness here? And in the back row of this huge As raises his hand. I'm thinking like, I don't want to talk about the revolution with Oz Guinness in the room. It's embarrassing. Half of the ideas

that I got about America over the last, you know, 20 years I got from Oz Guinness. So it was kind of funny. I referred to him four times in the course of my talk. I got this idea from Os Guinness. I got this idea from Oz Guinness.

And whether he was in the room or not, I would have almost certainly referred to him. But he was actually in the room. I'm pretty sure I'm going to interview him for this Socrates Supercentennial series this week on his book, the Sinai Covenant and he has a new book out, America Agonistis.

So, butaz is a dear friend. He's been a dear friend for over 25 years. It's just amazing. It's got to be 27, 28 years when I first got to know him. Probably when I was working for Chuck Colson. That's 27 years ago. My goodness. Okay. So I also want to say, I did say that yesterday I was at King's Church here in New York City.

If you're visiting New York City, visit King's Church. If I'm in the city, I'll be there. For example, not only was I there yesterday, and the worship was so wonderful yesterday, but particularly wonderful, I should say. But this Sunday, Easter Sunday, I would. will be preaching at King's Church. So if you're in New York next weekend or you know somebody who's in New York, I'm going to be preaching a simple evangelistic message about the resurrection.

That's kind of the central point of Easter, kind of the central point of history. And so I'm going to be preaching next Sunday at King's Church here in New York. York City on the resurrection. And again, an evangelistic message. So if you know somebody who maybe is not on board, Theologically, Easter is a great day for them to be introduced to these kooky ideas that we just came up with 10 minutes ago. So that is what is happening next Sunday. I guess I should also say, well, in a couple of minutes, I'm going to be talking to our friend Jim Consler, James Howard Cunzler. He, I've said it before, you should be following his substack.

What he writes, there's just a tiny handful of people who I look to for guidance, that they're doing this deep research and they have a very healthy perspective. Jim Cunzler is one of the absolute best at that. he's a genius in terms of his research and what he says. And you'll get this in a couple of minutes when I bring him on. But his writing, and this is, I don't want to say it when he's on the air with me, because I don't want to embarrass him any more than I already have.

He's a brilliant writer. He's a hilarious writer. He's a great, great writer. And I was introduced to his writing to him and his writing in 1985. yes a long time ago and his stuff is just so good everything that he writes is just he's just a great writer and so to have somebody with great ideas who's a great writer you know that's what I aspire to be myself there there's not a lot of people who write in a way that's really extremely compelling but Jim Cuncelor is so he's on X and his substack is James Howard Cunzler.

S-T-L-E-R-Cuncelor.com, but I just recommend him in the same way that I recommend John Smirak, Rod Martin, you know, Naomi Wolf. There's just a handful of folks out there that I would say, you know, you're probably not going to hear about them in too many other places, but I want to mention, I want to mention that. This week we have Ali Beth Stucky. Hold on to your hats for Ali Beth Stucky. Megan Basham coming on.

And of course, John Zmir. Iraq. So lots of great stuff. If you're not following us on any of our platforms, Instagram, but da da da da, whatever, please follow us and go to Socrates in the city.com. Sign up for those. A lot of great stuff that we're going to be doing, including this revolutionary city years at Socrates in the city.com. Sign up for the newsletter. I'll be right back. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the program. Welcome back to the program. You'll see that I've changed my clothing because I have a very special guest on. His name, so he said, is Jim Cuncelor or James Howard Cuncelor,

if you're filling out a legal form. But he lets me call him Jim. Jim, welcome back. A pleasure to be with you, Eric, as usual. Listen, you, you, I say this to you, and I don't know if it embarrasses you, but what you write on your substack and elsewhere, you're one of the folks that it gives me clarity.

It helps me understand what we're going through right now because somehow you have the aptitude to do the research that most of us can't do, and to write about it in a way that's tremendously readable. So I want to talk to you just about some of the stuff you've been writing recently, but should we start with the no-kings protest? No-kings, yeah. Well, we all need some clarity. This whole thing is getting to be pretty seriously strange.

What we're, you know, what I saw, I went to two No King's rallies in my corner of the Hudson Valley in upstate New York. And the most visible manifestation there was mental illness, really florid mental illness. People who don't really seem to have a clue what's going on in the world and are fantastically smug about their cluelessness. Florid mental illness, fantastically smugged. Do you understand, ladies and gentlemen, why I like to read this guy? No, because it's funny because it's so true.

It's so true, but people rarely seem to get it the way you get it. That's what we're talking about. I mean, these people are completely out of touch, but they have nothing to do on a Saturday. It's funny, and they go out, and they have somebody gives them a sign, and they feel good about themselves, you know.

Right. I think a great deal of it. I think an awful lot of it simply has to do with socialization, status maintenance, and tribal affiliation in the sense that, you know, these are my people and these are their thoughts. And I own those thoughts too. So I must be okay. and, you know, hanging your whole existence on this question of a very fragile political identity is probably not a good recipe for staying sane for the rest of your life.

And, you know, especially when a great deal of it is really simply depends on the abject hatred of one person. and one of the funnier parts of the whole dynamic is that when they say no kings, they don't really mean no kings. Because actually they're much more in favor of tyranny than the right is. What they're against is daddy. They're against Orange Daddy.

They're against Orange Daddy. And they cannot stand the idea that there's somebody out there who's establishing boundaries for for political categories and behavior and that's interesting though the way you just phrased that right and i and i assume you do this intentionally that this is adolescence this is kind of this absolutely the Freudian the Freudian idea of adolescence that i've got a rebel man and you know it starts with with james dean and being all tortured you know against the rules or whatever it starts in in those films in the 50s, culturally speaking, that we create this.

And, you know, you were there in the 60s and 70s to remember how, I mean, it's kind of funny because sometimes if I'll see clips on Instagram or X or anywhere, how much of what went on, particularly in the 60s, was just incredibly dopey and dated when you look at it now. It's just so stupid. You know, I went to college during the absolute height of the hippie, revolution. I was there from 1966 when I was really just sort of kicking off until

1971. I was on the five-year plan. I was one of those people on the five-year plan. And I found the hippie revolution to be largely creepy. I like no one, I've never heard anyone say that, and since you were there, can you explicate

that? Well, for one thing, you know, it started off as a kind of an elite lifestyle experiment, but very rapidly spread through the whole generation. And, you know, it ended up in the lube pit, you know, with the, you know, with the grease monkeys being the hippies. And, you know, and these were the guys who turned into the Charlie Mansons and, you know, they're really unappetizing character. So there was just a lot about it that is not remembered that well and is misremembered. that was really kind of squalid.

But that's what's so interesting to me is how it's been sold to us. I mean, it's been pushed down our throats forever since then. It's been pushing on our throats like, this is the cool thing, and if you don't agree with that, you're not cool, man.

That's basically it. You know, there is such a thing as the zeitgeist, the spirit of the age. And it exercises tremendous power and momentum and even inertia in our culture. And you end up with people who, oddly enough, in that dynamic, weird things happen. And one of the things that happens is that you get inversions of behavior.

So that what you see now in the No Kings rallies are people who are basically defending the deep state, defending the FBI as a, as, you know, an instrument of punishment for the average citizen and defending all kinds of bad political behavior, exactly the kind of thing that they were against in 1969. And they have no recognition of the inversion. You know, they are now in favor of pushing everybody around, rather than resisting being pushed around. they want to push everybody else around.

They're basically, the dirty secret of the current, you know, incarnation of progressivism is that it's deeply sadistic. And it's not interested in policy so much as inflicting pain and punishment on its adversaries. And the enjoyment that they get, the pleasure that they get out of doing that. You know, that's what the whole spring and summer prosecution of Donald Trump was all about in the New York City courtrooms. It was really about torturing the guy. It wasn't really about justice or jurisprudence or anything like that.

Well, because to care about justice takes a level of maturity. And this stuff does strike me. It strikes me as fundamentally adolescent. There's something emotional. It's also, you know, it's also middle school girl stuff, mean girls stuff. And, you know, in its most. florid manifestation in adult females, it ends up being, you know, what's known as sort of cluster B performative psychotic behavior. And, you know, and a lot of it, you know, really revolves around

the wish to punish. And thank you for not mentioning Candace Owens by name. I appreciate that. Yeah. Well, it's sad. It's sad what's happened to her. I mean, two or three years ago, she seemed to be a pretty, pretty sane and, uh, intelligent and reasonable person. As a teenager, Adolf Hitler was a fine young man. So, things can go screwy. But, uh, what happened to her do you think? What, what do you think happened? Well, I'll tell you, um, I remember meeting her way back. And there seemed to be, I remember at some point, I don't know when it was, but she said with a straight face something about running for president. I think she was like 30 years old or something like that.

And I thought there's a, I think the biblical term is a screw loose when somebody doesn't have a sense of the actual landscape of reality. And it's kind of like when Kanye said he's going to run for president where you just think something's off. So they're smart enough or brave enough to be kind of tracking. with some things, but there's something wrong there. And eventually, because that screw is loose, when that thing gets up to 80 miles an hour,

you know, you're going to have, the engine's going to blow. Yeah, and she really put the pedal to the metal over the last year or two. But it sounds like what you got was a kind of a whiff of grandiosity. Well, that's what I, well, that's, that's one thing, right? Mm-hmm. But then also, and it's interesting, because you see, you know,

you are able, as I am, to see that there are different kinds of pathologies in men and women, right? That men typically will go wrong in that way. Women will typically go wrong in that way. And there's something about this kind of a screechy emotionalism, a self-righteous emotionalism that can carry you, you know, in very wrong directions. And I think Charlie Kirk, who was a friend of mine, he was way too gracious to call her out back when. And so he kind of let her go her own way,

but he never was public about what happened. But I think it's kind of obvious that, you know, as well as I knew Charlie, that he probably thought like, she's kind of nutty and we're happy for her to go her own way. And we don't need to, you know, to say anything publicly about that. But it seems to me that that happened to her also.

So then she goes out of the daily wire. And then the same kind of thing happens there. And we're going to go to a break. But when we come back, We'll be talking more about all these kinds of wonderful, important things with Jim Kuntzler. Don't go away. Consler.com.com. While the corrupt federal elites have been quietly building wealth through cryptocurrency,

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And Jim, I want to talk to you about your novel at some point, but we're talking about the screwiness of some figures right now. And you say, what happened to them? I wonder the same thing about Tucker in a different way. And I think that in the case of Candace, I mean, I think also, at the heart of it is, you know, I hate to say it, but like a jealousy, I think, a jealousy of maybe Charlie's success, a jealousy of Erica, whom Charlie chose of all the maidens in the land, you know, he didn't choose.

Well, sometimes as though Candace was not doing well. She had a fabulously successful podcasting career and was probably making a pile of dough. Well, listen, all I know, I think what's interesting to me is, you know, you can solve for X, right? Like, if I didn't know anything, you know, I can say, well, you know, she's bringing up a point there. She's going to point there. But there's a certain time that comes perhaps when somebody says something that I flat out know is wrong. And so when she started kind of throwing around, you know, people that I know as friends, that they might be involved in Charlie's murder, whether it's Rob McCoy or Marley.

Mikey McCoy or Erica. That's when you say, okay, ladies and gentlemen, listen, maybe it wasn't, you know, just the guy on the roof. Maybe there's more to it. Maybe, maybe. Okay. But one thing I can tell you, I was not involved in plotting the murder of Charlie Kirk. My friends, this one and this one, they were not involved. So when somebody goes there, you just realize, okay, they are now playing a game because you don't say that kind of stuff you shouldn't if you're sane or respect.

You would never say that stuff lightly. And at that point, you just realize she'll kind of say anything. She's got this audience. And it's kind of like, I mean, you know, you and I, I guess, you know, you have to go back to Father Coglin or somebody like that. There are people that had a radio audience that they just were able to, you know, ride off a cliff. And for listeners who don't remember or forgot or never knew, Father Coglin was a radio of political events. evangelist on the radio in the 1930s, and he was, I think he was very pro-Nazi. Not that we're judging folks, because, you know, we're all flawed. But yes, he was very pro-Nazi,

very anti-Jewish, Catholic priest. To your earlier point, and I wonder what you think about it. You know, we seem to be watching the more muscular part of the conservative side get into a terrible they're just tearing the movement apart at a time when it's really desperately necessary for us to keep our eye on the prize, you know, which is the ability to kind of take our country back from a gang of treasonous and insane people who really want to wreck the country. And so what do you see about the destruction that this is causing? Well, it's a famous, there was another famous Jew, not Jim Cuncelor, but Solomon, King Solomon, and many people remember his, the, I mean, this to me, I knew King Solomon and you're no King Solomon.

You can, and I knew King Solomon and you're no King Solomon, so there. All right. But honestly, Solomon, there's that famous passage. Most people should be familiar with it. But Solomon and the baby, right? Where we're two women, you know the story, two women. That's my baby. No, it's my baby.

Oh, well, cut the baby in half. Then you can each have one. You can each have half. And then the true mother says, no, no, no, you take the baby because she doesn't want the baby to be killed. And the woman who wants the baby doesn't say anything would be. happy to have the baby killed as long as she doesn't get it. That to me is kind of where we are right now. In other words, if you want to know who loves America and who loves reason and truth and sanity, it's those people who are willing to compromise and who are not willing to tear the country

apart or tear MAGA apart for their pet project. And so that's how you know Tucker and Candice and anybody that is going along with them, there is, you know, to go back, there's a screw loose. They don't, I mean, that's putting it mildly, but they don't, they don't seem to care or they don't seem to have the basic understanding that Trump is the man and that if he,

and if we don't do well in the midterms, he will be impeached and it all goes south. These people don't seem to care. And there's a sickness. So to me, they're no different than Mike Pence or George W. Both who did not endorse Trump in 2024. And they basically said, well, I don't care if Kamala gets elected. They basically don't care about the country.

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I don't, you know, I never thought much of Megan Kelly. I'll be honest with you. She strikes me as fundamentally unsurious. The way she dresses and present yourself, she looks idiotic to me. But, you know, she seemed to serve a purpose. And then suddenly, I don't know, she seems to think that it's okay for Tucker Carlson to platform Satan or Nick Fuentes or Hitler or Stalin. That's not a problem. If you don't have a problem with that, you're insane. I don't want to hear anything else you have to say. And that Tucker did. that is patently insane. I mean, insane is a nice thing. It's wicked what he did. So I think a lot of people are trying to make sense of this, Jim, as you are and I am. Well, one way of understanding it might be that, you know, the madness that we're seeing on the left is now starting to infect the right in a different way. And, you know, what we're seeing is kind of a sweeping, epic madness creeping across the entire political landscape. And that's really something that we can't afford. It's really important to maintain at least one faction,

one political party that is not insane, that's not crazy, and has some grasp on reality. And it's slipping away. You know, we see it manifested at the most important level in the U.S. Senate where we have a Republican majority that can't seem to pass a piece of legislation that would just clean up our elections in the most important way. And our elections are in such dreadful trouble. You know, the fact that the Democratic Party is doing everything they can to get, you know, tens of millions of non-citizens to vote.

and to go about it in an underhanded programmatic way. And the idea that the Republicans in the Senate can't get it together to pass a simple, clear, you know, uncomplicated voting cleanup bill is just astonishing. So I'm not... It is astonishing. And here's what I think that where this takes us. You know, I don't want to sound too. too dark about this, but at some point, I think Mr. Trump is going to have to go Abe Lincoln

on the Democratic Party. He's going to have to declare some kind of a national emergency. He may have to declare, he may have to declare the Democratic Party as a seditious outlaw organization and do something about it. That's crazy talk. No, listen, what do you Stringent. Well, see, here's the thing. Here's part of the larger narrative. We've lived in a time where stringent is no longer on the table. Like, we kind of act like we've evolved past having to do anything dramatic.

Sometimes times require, you know, and I know it's. Sometimes times require, you know, real action that can't be avoided. Well, no, that's what I'm saying. You know that and I know that. But we live in a world where people act like we can't go there. We moved past that. We might have to go there. I mean, you just wrote a book about the American Revolution.

Those people had to go there. They went there because they were compelled to go there because circumstances required them to go there. And it seems to me that circumstances may require, may require Mr. Trump to go to a place where he has to declare certain emergency executive powers to deal with an organization that wants to destroy the country. and that means probably taking some people off the game board in a very demonstrative way.

We've been hoping for the longest time, but I mean, you know, Comey, Clapper, Brennan, Obama, there's still been no... We are still dealing with a rogue judicial system. And obviously it's been an enormous problem to be able to make, to bring a case to the D.C. federal court. You know, even now, you have NGOs that are running training sessions for jury nullification to train up the citizens of the District of Columbia who might be called to a jury, to tell them how to go about screwing up a case that's been brought into a court and, you know, screwing up a jury. And that's just, that's completely insane.

You kind of wonder why that's not a prosecutable crime. I, well, I mean, what you just said about the president, I mean, I think we all, those of us who care about the country, realize that others have done this, Lincoln did it. But what would that look like? And is Trump even thinking about that?

Does he have people around him thinking about that? And again, the political calculation, that's a big piece of it. Can he do that before the midterms? What's that going to look like? I mean, if ever the No Kings people would be losing their minds, you know, he does nothing and they lose their minds. When he does something, you can just, you have to wonder what that would look like. Yeah.

Well, I think it would probably look something like Civil War. And, you know, we've been there before and somebody had to rescue the Republic. And it looks like we may be entering a period where the Republic needs to be rescued again. And, you know, it's going to be pretty unappetizing to see that happen. But, you know, necessity may call. Well, that's what I was saying. So what would it look like? What would it look like?

Yeah. Among other things, probably something to replace a corrupt judicial system, which would probably be a military tribunal system. And, you know, we'd be an uncharted territory. We would be in another country for a while. But, you know, so was the United States in. 1862, you know, in 1863 and 4. And, you know, we emerged from that and we emerged from that with a much stronger sense of who we were and what we were about. And, you know, oddly enough,

very oddly, you know, some of the more patriotic corners of the country a hundred years later ended up in the Confederacy. So, you know, history is a country. So, you know, history is a kind of a trickster and history works in mysterious ways. But I don't want to be too alarmist. I'm just saying that, you know, the Democratic Party is now such a rogue organization that it will stop at nothing. It will, it will flagrantly violate every norm, every law, every custom and tradition that we have to maintain its racketeering operations and to seek power. And that's all it's interested in. And that's not enough for a republic. We need a republic that also seeks eternal verities, justice, fairness, fair play, beauty, truth. You know, that has to be in the mix somehow.

And, you know, that's become trivialized as though it's, you know, mere sentiment to mention those things. But it's not a sentimental matter. Well, it's interesting because you mentioned my book on the revolution, it is really amazing to me that what that was, the horror of it, the reality of that, the same thing with the Civil War. And I have said for a few years now, we're in the third existential crisis of our history. There's no doubt about it. And I really do believe most Americans have kind of drifted away from those kinds of harsh realities. I mean, you know, we used to, many of us used to exist in fear of Indians coming and torturing us to death and scalping our wives. And I mean, that was a reality in America, but we'd become so prosperous

and so fat and lazy that we can't even imagine that level of strife or conflict. And as you're saying, we may have to, we may have to deal with it. And I don't want it. And it gets to be emotionally a very dark place to be. You know, these days, a lot, I think about what it was like for Washington at Valley Forge

and how dark and dismal his times must have seemed to him and hopeless. And yet, you know, you, you know, as they say,

and I guess they say in the armed services, you embrace the suck and you, you keep on going. You know, you put your one bare, bloody foot before the other and you keep on marching.

Well, I mean, and the only reason they were able to do that was because they believed in the sacred cause. They believed in the sanctity of what it was they were doing. And they did believe most of them overwhelmingly that God was with them in it, that it was righteous. And that if something is righteous, you put yourself in the hands of providence and you keep marching and you keep fighting. And it is what it is. And I think that, I mean, there's no question in my research on the road. That's just so overwhelmingly true. It's what made it possible for them to keep going.

And anybody that doesn't think Washington is just an utter hero, one of the great heroes in the history of the world. It is absolutely amazing. Well, we're at a time. I never enough time to talk with you, Jim. We'll just get you back. I want to talk to you about your new novel, which is spectacular. I just read it. And it's called, look.

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