The Eric Metaxas Show - Abby Johnson

Episode Date: May 24, 2023

Abby Johnson, champion of the Pro-Life movement and subject of the film, "Unplanned," sits down with Eric at the NRB to discuss the good news of the overturning of Roe v. Wade -- and the path forward.

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Hey there, folks. It's Tuesday. It is. And I'm sitting here with, what's your name again? My first guest. No, no, no. You're my producer, Albin. Hi.

We're in Orlando. People are hearing this odd background noise. Yeah. We are doing the program at the NRB in Orlando. Tons of people walking around. But the fun thing about being here is we get all kinds of guests in person that, you know, normally, we wouldn't get to do them in person. So, for example, today's show, one hour, I'm talking to the great Abby Johnson. Many of you know her. She is a hero in the pro-life movement. She was a director

for many years of a Planned Parenthood Clinic. She had a horrific experience, saw the light. Her story is told in the film Unplanned. So she is my guest today sitting right. right here next to me. Also, I'm talking to the guys. He can't make these guys up. Basically, Marcus Pittman and Jason Farley have started something called Lure TV. We'll tell you about it. But this gives me hope.

Both of these figures that I, well, all three of them give me hope. These are heroic figures. Lure TV is in the entertainment space. I'm very excited about that. excited to talk to them excited to talk to abby johnson all week long we've got all kinds of guests but albin yeah we've got to mention a few things before i've got a crazy story i don't know if i'll get to tell it today about what happened i mean in new york cab the other day we're not i'm not going to get to talk really about the passing of tim keller just because we don't have the time but uh both you and i

went to redeemer yeah uh i met my wife and there so benefited from his his ministry and I ended up at the end of his life disagreeing with him sort of politically and you know but always loved and respected him but I did disagree with him but respectfully disagree with him and I wrote about it in my book letter to the American church but just shocking when you hear that someone that you've known for so many years like as a fixture is is suddenly... Yeah, very sad. Suddenly gone.

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I mentioned that. But we're very interested on this program in media, in films, in TV programs that you can see that will help you, that will either entertain you in a wonderful way or that will teach you something. There's a documentary out right now called The Real Anthony Fauci. It's a film. There was a book. It's written by Robert Kennedy Jr. And, of course, he's running for president on the Democratic side in 2024. But this guy, you know, when somebody is brave and when they speak the truth about the thing that everybody says,

you can't talk about that. Yeah. That guy's a hero. So I would love you to go to the real Anthony Fauci movie.com. Now, hey, here's the good news. It's free, okay? Only on that website. the real anthony fouchi movie.com for 10 days it is available so i think starting today for 10 days

you can access the film for free yeah he talks about the collusion between big tech big pharma and big government we've all seen this over the last few years with the vaccines all of this stuff but he has the guts to use his big Kennedy name to talk about this, to draw attention to it. I saw the film. I saw every minute of the film. And it is one of those things that, you know, you need to know what's going on

because a lot of people kind of say, well, it's hard to say what's going on. Watch the film and you will see it's not that hard to say. Yeah, I'd love it. Big Kennedy goes up against big government, right? I mean, it's kind of amazing. Yeah. But you're talking about, what do they call it,

profit-driven agendas. These are people that are, They're making a ton of money doing evil things, but they're getting away with it. Yeah. But we can expose them. We need to expose them. So I want to recommend to you go to the real Anthony Fauci movie.com for the next 10 days only. It is free.

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Albin, this was like a dream. Some friends of ours invited Susanna and me to dinner, and we're so busy. We don't go out much. We go to this dinner. It was really a delight. I won't say why, but it was just kind of a crazy, wonderful time. And we walk out of the restaurant onto Fifth Avenue. And I got to get a cab.

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and I said excuse me what people don't understand in New York City this might happen you know if I'm hanging out at the Dallas airport

but for a New York cabby to pull up and say you're Eric Metaxus then the guy starts telling me like I listen to Showtime. I know what you did in Alaska. You're in Alaska. And I love listening to Ken Fish. Ken Fish is great.

I said, this is, this goes like, you know, this goes in my journal. This was like, this was such a delightful moment when a New York cabby listens to your show. All right. We've got plenty today. Abby Johnson, Lure TV. We're at NRB. Don't go away. I don't know about you, but I'm sick and tired of iconic American brands selling us out to appease radical leftists.

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It's a crazy thing to be here because I'm doing my show up on a platform. Some people are staring at me dully. Other people seem interested. But here's the point. I get to talk to fun guests, to friends. I'm sitting here right now with Abby Johnson. Abby, you're really here. I'm really here.

And you're wearing, is it fuchsia? It's hot pink, Eric. It's hot pink. What's the difference between hot pink and fuchsia? I don't know. I think fuchsia may be a little more purple. I think you might be wrong. Maybe. I could be wrong. But anyway, you're looking very bold and beautiful and wonderful. Now, Abby Johnson is a name many people would know.

But if you describe yourself today in a sentence, how do you describe yourself today? I am a former Planned Parenthood abortion clinic director who is now a pro-life activist. Ah, you're just making that up. Come on. That could never happen that a Planned Parenthood director would become a pro-life activist. Abby, I just happen to know that that's true, but it makes me, it excites me to think that it is true and that it's your story. And it's a beautiful story. It's a moving story. It's been told in a film. It has, yeah, a film called Unplanned, that you can stream on Amazon and I think to watch it or something. Yeah, I think it's like two or three bucks. It's cheap and you can watch it.

And I think, I think it's a life-changing film because it, you know, for a long time, people said, Abby, if people could see what you saw, it would impact them. It could possibly change their mind on abortion. And so when we did this film, we did unplanned, I said, okay, well, let's show them then what I saw on this ultrasound. And so that's really what we did. We took thousands of images from an ultrasound, and we basically manipulated them so that people could see exactly what I saw. All right, let's look. For people who aren't tracking here, first of all, a couple things. If people want to find you, where can they find you online?

Yeah, my website is AbbeyJ, A-B-B-Y-J.com. AbbeyJ.com. Yeah. That's a pretty good website. Thanks. Abbeyjay.com. So you, your story, which we've told on the program before, but it's very moving, and so you're basically describing the fact, give us the short version for people who aren't familiar with you. You are the director of a planned parenthood.

What year was this? Yeah, so I left in 2009. So I was there from 2001 to 2009. So this is not a million years ago. No. And that's what you did. One day, as the director, you had won awards, like, you know, director of the year. Planned Parenthood Employee of the Year, yeah.

You're all in on the Planned Parenthood agenda. Yep. And then one fateful day, they need your help in doing an ultrasound on a pregnant woman who has come in. and you go into the room. You've never done this before. No. And what happens? I was called in to assist.

We had a visiting physician there that day. Ultrasounds are not typically used during the abortion. So we use them to date the pregnancy so that we could find out how far along the woman was in her pregnancy so that we would know how much to charge her. For the abortion. For the abortion. Because the larger and older the baby, the more money. Yeah, the more expensive.

So, yeah, so I get called in. The doctor says, look, I want to show you what this would look like, you know. I want to show you what an ultrasound guided abortion looks like. I want to show you what's happening in the room. Excuse me, an ultrasound guided abortion. Mm-hmm. So the idea is that the doctor who is charged with killing this unborn child is guided with the technology of the ultrasound. so he can see better what he's doing.

That's right. Yeah. And I had never seen anything like that. So I think, okay, yeah, this is going to be a good learning experience for me. I've never seen this. But I will say, Eric, I did feel some hesitation because I thought, oh, my gosh, what am I about to see? Right? Another word, it's up to this point.

Look, this is true of everybody to some extent. We know certain things. We don't know certain things. And there's certain things we kind of don't want to know because we're sensitive or whatever. So it's one thing to say I'm all in on abortion, but now you're called into the room and you're going to see this thing happen that you haven't really dealt with. Your eyes have not seen what is actually going to happen. And with the ultrasound technology, now you can see it. That's a whole new level of dealing with this thing.

thing that's been at arm's length. Yeah, well, it's a whole new culpability too, right? I mean, like, when you, when you see it, you have to deal with it one way or another, right? You've got to deal with it. And I feel like in life, we're always coming to crossroads. And we either make the choice, you know, we choose the path of righteousness or we choose the path of sin. And when you choose the path of sin over and over and over again, that's when your, that's when your conscience become seared. And I had chosen the path of sin working in the clinic so many times, you know, my heart was pretty hardened to abortion. But here was another crossroad where I was about to see an abortion actually happened, not the aftermath of abortion that I had seen many times. I'd seen

the blood. I'd seen all of that many times. I'd about to see a living child die. And so, I knew I'm about to be at another crossroad here. I can either choose righteousness. I can choose truth or I can choose this line of justification that I had been choosing for eight years. And yeah, and so when I saw it happen, I was shocked, honestly. I was shocked to see a 13-week-old baby fight and struggle for his life, trying to move away from the abortion instruments, 13 weeks.

So already at 13 weeks. Still in the first trimester. So we would say this is an early abortion. This is not a late-term abortion. Nonetheless, you understand that what you're looking at is fighting for its own life is recoiling at what is being done to it. And that's at 13 weeks. Yes.

You know, a crazy thing, so I used to, I used to nanny. for these kids in college. Their mom, I don't think I've ever told this story before, but exclusive right here on the Erickman Taxes Show. I was naning for them. Their mom was super, super liberal. And I had, after I quit the industry, I was, I called her.

Well, she wanted to know, why did you quit coin parent? And so I told her, I said, well, look, this is what I saw happen. I saw this baby moving on the instruments, you know, it was trying to save its life. And I will never forget this. She said, she was quiet on the phone for a minute. And she said, oh, Abby, she said, that's just a reflex. And I saw, hand to God, she said, you know, even plants. will recoil if you try to cut them

and they don't want to be cut. Yeah. But will they scream? And I thought, what? Do they have souls? I have cut many plants before in my life and I've never had one, you know, move its leaves and try to recoil from me when I've been pruning.

Well, listen, and what does that have to do with anything? You know, I eat meat. We're talking about human beings. And it's just, listen, this is such a tough subject because so many of us have been involved personally on the wrong side of it. Yeah. I have. I know. I have.

I've told that story. I've told that story many times. Speaking at Pregnancy Center annual benefits, fundraiser benefits. I will mention that, you know, when I was a young man, I was not where I am now on this issue, on any of these issues. and there are some people who, like your friend, it's just too painful to deal with it. They don't want to, they don't want to think maybe I'm wrong about this. Maybe it's a human being and maybe I'm guilty and I need to do something different. Well, and I think it just, I think you're right.

I mean, I think there are many, many people that have been talking about. by abortion. We know that. I mean, depending on the statistic you look at either, one in four, one and three women have been impacted by abortion. They've chosen abortion, which means either one and four, one and three men have been impacted by abortion. And so when you realize what abortion is, when you realize the danger of abortion, the severity of abortion, when you realize what you have done by choosing abortion, then you have to face it. Then you have to realize your culpability in that decision. And that's hard. Well, see, this is the key.

We're going to go to break. But that's why I always have to drag God into it. Because if there's no forgiveness, this is just untenable for people to acknowledge that they're wrong because they think, well, I can never be forgiven. It's too horrible, therefore it can't be wrong. We're talking to Abby Johnson. We'll be right back.

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But it's important that we tell these stories. And we were just saying a minute ago, or I was saying that, part of the reason it's been so difficult to get traction in the culture on this is because for some people, it is too painful. So they just have to go with the cliche. They have to go with the cliche. Whatever the mother wants. between her and her doctor and they can't when you deal with the reality of it it's too gruesome

and i think you know when i think of people like randall terry back in the 90s he was forcing people to deal with the gruesome side of it or us in doing that there's there's you know there's there's there's a lot here well on the one hand of course we need to have compassion uh but For me, the bottom line is just that when you say to people, listen, you can do something wrong, but God offers you forgiveness. So don't feel like you can't admit that this is a bad thing because there is a God who can forgive you. Just as he forgives you, Abby, and he forgives me, Eric, for having participated in these terrible things, in abortion, whatever. We are guilty, but God offers us forgiveness.

And I can see how if a woman isn't aware that that forgiveness and love is there on the other side, that she simply cannot deal with the fact that this is what it is. It's too painful. Oh, yeah. I mean, I agree. I mean, because it's a grave injustice, right, that's happening to these babies. And I think also we're just, we're living in a society right now where, people are being taught this misguided compassion, particularly young people.

So I think that that is, that's really pervasive. We, right now, there's, you know, this case going on, there's situation right now where, you know, I think 18, almost 19 year old girl delivered her baby in a hospital, in a hospital, delivered the baby in a hospital, put the baby in a trash can. The baby was born alive, put the baby in a trash can. The baby suffocated in the trash can on the liner of the trash can liner. The baby was full term. And, you know, and I put this on my page.

And the comments in the comment section, I mean, these are mostly pro-life people. and they're on there saying this poor girl, this poor girl, poor girl. Not the baby who suffered, but the mother who put the, yeah. And exactly, and I'm thinking, wait a minute, poor baby, poor baby that was alone in a trash can that died a painful death of suffocation. poor baby like I don't know what that mom had going on I'm sure in order to put your baby in a trash can knowing that it's going to die

a painful death alone surely you've got to have something going on mentally and I'm sorry for whatever she went through but there has to be some kind of penalty for doing that to your child we have been so wrapped up in this society this idea that we have to have

compassion compassion compassion compassion. We have forgotten about justice. We have forgotten about this godly idea of justice. And I think that God will remind us eventually that there will be justice for all of the blood that held of the innocent. And, you know, I pray that everybody listening is on the right side of that when, when justice. justice does come down, and I'm so thankful that I am now on the right side. Well, this is the whole thing, too. Like, if you come to it honestly, you say, you and I don't deserve to be on the right side of this issue.

We are only here by God's grace. So we have to be clear about that, that, yes, it's the right side of the issue. Yes, we're on the right side of the issue. But we don't deserve to be on the right side. We're once on the other side of the issue, and it's only by God's grace. So, of course, it's complicated. But you're right that, you know, cultures often, well, culture often urs. Culture always urs away from God.

But the question is in which direction. So now we're dealing with this like this compassion thing where people would say, well, Hitler, his father beat him brutally as a child and on and on and on and on. And all of that is true. He's a human being. made in God's image. But you have to have the other side as well. So this is not about being cruel and being indifferent to people's suffering,

but it's being fair. It's being wise. And we're living at a time when, you know, in other words, I think it's appropriate for our hearts to go out to someone sick enough to do that. On the other hand, if it ends there and you're not horrified at what this woman did, to her child if you're not sick and by it if it doesn't make you a little angry so there's a lot to this processing this stuff honestly we're talking to abby johnson you can go to abbyjohnson you can go to abbyjadj dot com you can find me at eric mataxis dot com we'll be right back folks welcome back

i'm talking to abby johnson we're in orlando at the national religious broadcaster's convention and Abby, you have gone from being all in for abortion to being all out against it. And you live your life now, you know, talking about this issue. And we had, I don't know, what was it, a year ago, the overturning of Roe v. Wade. Yep. The Dobbs decision. Most of us, I mean, it's kind of like I was growing up. I didn't ever think there would be a time in my life when the Soviet Union wouldn't exist.

So when that happened, I said, wait, wait, what? It's kind of like somebody saying like, oh, there's only four continents now. You'd be like, wait a minute, no, no, no, this is a given. This doesn't change. Right. When Roe v. Wade was overturned, I really thought, like, this is one of those things I can't believe that this has happened in my lifetime. Right. And I want to be, I want to say this up front.

if it weren't, in my opinion, for the guts of Donald Trump to stand up for the appointment of Kavanaugh, to stand up and to be, people need, I don't care if you hate him for any other reason. He ends up being the most pro-life president in history. Now, lately, of course, he's been weird and waffling, and I don't want to necessarily get into that. But I just want to say that the celebration over the overturning of Roe v. Wade, in the churches it was. kind of lacking. People thought that that I don't want to like

I don't want to be too celebratory over this and it's kind of like this would be like the Emancipation Proclamation. Yeah, it's a big deal. How can you not be celebrating this? Sure. It's a big deal. I mean this was this was the largest victory

we've probably ever had in the pro-life movement, the overturning of row. I don't want, I, I, I, I was a little fearful when Roe was overturned because I, I was a little worried that people were going to think, oh, well, we're done. Now we're done, right? I mean, that's it. Abortion's over. That's it. And, unfortunately, for a lot of people, that is what they think. And we've seen that I've talked to other,

I've talked to other nonprofits, pro-life nonprofits, talked to other groups, and they're saying that their activism numbers are down, their fundraising dollars are down, volunteerism numbers are down. And I think that is kind of a misnomer, that people think that Roe v. Wade was the end-all of abortion. And that's absolutely not true. There's so much work that we need to do. And in fact, I think overturning Roe actually made it harder on ourselves in the pro-life movement, because we went from like one federal battle now to 51 individual. battles, if you include D.C., which unfortunately we have to. Yeah. In other words, people don't understand, because they don't really understand what was

at stake with Roe v. Wade, they don't understand what was won in its overturning. Right. Well, they don't understand the case, right? So they just think, like, oh, Roe gone, abortion gone. Right. But that's far from true. That's not even close to, no. It's not even close. We, well, so then what are the battles that we face right? now you mentioned earlier off the air talking about these heartbeat bills yeah uh that people are putting in uh in different states what does that mean a heartbeat bill for people who don't understand what how old is a baby when they detect a heartbeat in the womb so generally you know six weeks five to six weeks is when you can detect a heartbeat um you know florida just passed that which is

huge i mean there are five there were five states when row was in place there were five states that made up more than 50% of the abortion numbers in our country. And that was Texas, Florida, Illinois, New York, and California. Whoa. Now you've got two of those five states. Texas has a complete abortion ban. Florida now has the heartbeat ban. So abortions after like six weeks definitely can't take place.

That's a huge victory. Now, wait a second. Wait a second. I just want to always want to backtrack because this is heavy stuff. you said that right now Texas has in place a total ban on abortion that's right okay is that happening yeah unless a woman you know goes out of state to have an abortion or unless she orders an abortion pill from out of the country which is happening i just had no idea this just goes to show you how ill-informed everyone is if i didn't even know that i feel embarrassed i didn't know

Yeah, there are no open abortion facilities in the state of Texas. Okay, that's hard to believe. I mean, Houston was huge. Houston had, so the affiliate I worked for, Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast, which operates out of Houston. Oh, you were there? Yeah. I didn't remember that. Yeah.

They operated the largest abortion facility in the Western Hemisphere, second largest to China, and that facility now is not able to perform abortions. And, Eric, they were, they had the capacity to perform. 75 abortions a day with one provider six days a week. And that is now closed. Okay. When did that happen? Because I am astonished. That is a tremendous victory. Yeah. Well, we had a trigger ban in Texas. So we had the Human Life Protection Act that went into place last session. So as soon as Roe was overturned within a couple weeks, every abortion in the state of Texas had to stop. But I mean, that's just such a

monumental news, no wonder the people on the left are losing your minds. Oh, yeah. Well, the reason I say this is because, you know, the overturning of Roe v. Wade, on some level, you could say big deal. I mean, that was not, it was a, the whole thing was a preposterous kind of law that finds in the Constitution some kind of right for abortion. You think, okay, great, we've overturned Roe v. Wade.

Now it goes back to the states. And in all of these states, you can kill your baby up until birth. So the fact that Texas actually enacted this, that is a monumental victory. That's actually way bigger than overturning of Roe v. Wade on some level. Like, I can't believe I'm hearing that. Yeah, and there's a bunch of other states. I mean, Tennessee has the same provision in place.

Arkansas has the same provision in place. There's several. There's, I think, 12 or 13 states that have no more abortion facilities in their state. So that's just huge. I really cannot believe that when you tell me that you cannot get an abortion at any point, realistically, in Texas, that is just monumental. Yeah, we went from providing 55,000 abortions a year in the state of Texas, so now not having one open abortion facility. I just, I'm absolutely astonished. This is the greatest news I've heard in a long time.

I can't believe I'm so ignorant, but I don't care. We'll be right back. We're talking to Abby Johnson. Folks, welcome back talking to Abby Johnson. Now, Abby, some people know the film unplanned that tells your story, but you just said to me now that you have a film coming out in the fall. I do. What is that? Yeah, it's coming out September 30th.

Am I in it? You want to be in it? We're still filming. Isn't it already in the can? Well, tell me about this film. I want to play the role of Evil Caneval. What is the film about? So it is a documentary. It's a feature-length documentary. It's called Unthinkable. And, you know, basically, I mean, when my story came out and I started talking about all the things that were happening inside of the abortion industry and people said, you know, oh, well, yours is just a one-off. You know, your clinic was just bad. But that doesn't happen anywhere else. So I basically wanted to say, okay, well, let's find out. Let's see if that's true. So through my ministry and then there were none, we've helped over 650,

abortion clinic workers, leave their jobs in the abortion industry and come into relationship with Christ. So I said, well, you know what? Let's go around and let's start asking them. Is my experience just a one-time experience? Is it just a one-off? Or are these problems that I saw in my clinic, in my affiliate, are they actually systemic? And so that's what I'm going around. I'm interviewing workers that have come through our ministry and I'm finding out. Well, I have to say, I've said this for years because my wife, Suzanne, ran pregnancy center in New York City for 12 years. So you hear these stories that I've never heard in the mainstream media that women are walking around wounded because they've had an abortion.

The mainstream media is not interested in hearing their stories, that they made a mistake, that they feel they made a mistake. They couldn't care less what these women feel. They don't want to hear it. Those stories are never told. Similarly, you never hear the horror stories of what women experience going into these abortion clinics. You never hear those stories. You never hear the stories of how men bully women into killing their children.

You just never hear these things. So I think getting all this information out changes the narrative. So I am thrilled, frankly, to hear that you're making this film because people need to know. Because how else are they going to know? You're going to read newspapers. They're not going to tell you about this. This is not going to be in 60 minutes. No, they don't know.

I put out a book a few years ago called The Walls Are Talking, and it was similar. It was like print, you know, about these kinds of stories. And a girl I know who's adamantly pro-abortion, she writes pro-abortion stuff. She read it. Actually, I sent her a screening copy of it. She read it. She wrote to me, and she said, Abby, she said, if one of these stories is true, she said, abortion clinics need to be shut down.

and this film is story after story after story of these types of egregious things that are not only happening to the babies, you know, that are being killed in these abortion clinics, was happening to women. And there were even times, Eric, when I was interviewing these people who I know, I mean, I know these people. They've come through our ministry, they've gone on retreats. There were times where I was looking at these women. They're telling me stories. And I was even shocked at what was being told to me. Yeah. Well, this is the point is that we've got this.

The media does not allow this information to get out there. So we're all doing what we can to change that. Because when the truth gets out, this is like the Wilberforce story. When people began to hear the details of what it means for people to be captured in Africa and taken across in the middle passage. When you would begin to hear those stories, it changes everything. You just say, look, I didn't know. I didn't know. I am totally against this now that I know what's going on.

I feel that that's the parallel with the abortion. abortion industry, the more people learn the reality. The reality, they're going to say, you know what? I didn't know. I didn't know. So what's the title of this film? It's just called Unthinkable. Unthinkable.

People can find out more at unthinkable doc, doc, unthinkable doc.com. Okay, it's a documentary. Unthinkable doc.com. And they can find you at abbeyj.j.com. Yeah. And great to have you. Abby Johnson. God bless you.

Thank you. Thanks, Eric.