The Eric Metaxas Show - Alan Dershowitz

Episode Date: February 10, 2023

Alan Dershowitz addresses issues from his book, "Guilt by Accusation," including how the MeToo movement destroyed the lives of innocent people.

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Hey there, folks. normally do breaking news on this program. But today, breaking news. It is, yeah, it's not funny breaking news. That's the problem. This is actually really tough stuff, but we're going to go with it. And by the way, most of you are not listening to this live. But we made a decision basically in the middle of the night to go to leap ahead.

We were going to start a campaign with food for the poor. when were we going to start that? I don't remember. That was at the end of this month. Okay, so obviously not for some weeks. We've worked with Food for the Poor many, many times in the past, and they are a heroic Christian organization. But because of the earthquake in Turkey and Syria,

the folks at Food for the Poor asked us if we would today ask you to help us raise funds. Now, when they sent us this bulletin, they said the death toll in Monday's massive earthquakes in Turkey and Syria has now surged past 8,000 when they sent this to us not that long ago. I just checked and it said that it has surged past 11,000. By the time you hear me say this, I don't know where it will be. This is human suffering on a scale. Most of us cannot comprehend. And at times like this, when there are all kinds of stuff going wrong, all kinds of things

to complain about, we will talk about the state of the union and the joke speech delivered by the AirSatz commander-in-chief, Joe Biden. And we'll talk about that in a few minutes. I believe we'll have Kevin McCullough on with us. I think we also may have Alan Dershowitz on today. So crazy day. But I just want to begin by saying that we are right now going to do everything we can to help the folks in Turkey and Syria show them the love of God by giving to them.

So the text that I have is that we would be rushing emergency relief supplies, medicine, and water to the hardest hit areas in Turkey and Syria. In order for you to do that, you have to go to metaxis talk.com. You should see a banner, help Turkey and Syria to show the love of Christ to the men, women, and children of Turkey and Syria in their darkest hour. again, please pray for these folks. We cannot imagine what it would be like to be trapped under rubble, wondering if anybody will ever save you. I mean, it's just amazing. So, you know, we don't, I don't think we've ever done anything like this before.

But I'm asking you if you will give, I go to metaxis talk.com. You'll literally save lives. Again, we've worked with food for the poor a lot in the past. I understand that rescuers on the site are being hampered by bad weather and temperatures falling down into the 20s. So this is a devastating humanitarian crisis. That's what food for the poor exists for is to leap into the breach and to do what they can. But they can't do it if you don't help. So I want to say that, you know, there's so much bad news.

There's so much to be negative about. This is something we can do right now. And again, you know, normally I resist last minute stuff. But the Salem News Channel and Food for the Poor said, let's combine. Let's do this right away. So that's today, Wednesday. We're preempting some of our other programming to do this. And just to give you, you know, an index of how terrible this is.

I mean, again, when they gave us this bulletin not so long ago, it was 8,000 was the number. We just checked. It was over 11,000, and that was reported a few hours ago. And now I don't know what it is. But there are many, many aftershocks. Again, it's terrifying. Anybody's experienced earthquake. You don't know where it ends.

When's the next shock going to come? So I also want to say food for the poor. One of the reasons they're so valuable is they work with other organizations. They work with Map International. to provide medicines and supplies. Brothers, brother, medicines and supplies, feed my starving children, provides food, water mission. They work with all of them

to do what they can. So whatever you give goes to food for the poor, food for the poor president, Ed Rainey, says the images of the damage are shocking and the stories of survivors crying out for help are heartbreaking. We know firsthand from responding to catastrophic disasters such as the August 2021, on earthquake in Haiti, that urgent help is needed and that the scale of the response needs

to be enormous. We're committed to working with our partners to help in a meaningful way. We become their partners today to do this, and so we want to ask you, again, to go to our radio website, metaxis talk.com. I don't know if there's a phone number yet. Yeah, we don't have a phone number yet. We don't have a phone number yet. I don't know if we're going to get a phone number.

Metaxistock.com right at the very top of the page, folks. You don't have to look anywhere. Just right at the top of the page. Help Turkey and Syria. Give now. That's what you're going to see. So click on that and give, please. I want to, you know, it's interesting because all of us have so much going on in our lives.

We're dealing with some personal issues. And I think a lot of times, the reason I thought it was worth jumping in here is that a of times when things are going poorly, everyone says, what can I do? What can I do? When I find something that I can do, it helps. I just say, I'm going to do this. This is a gift to God for God's purposes to help people who are suffering. I just want to say that Food for the Poor, they're the premier organization in doing things like this. You know, we've worked with CSI to free slaves in Sudan. You want to work with the best people that are reputable, people that you can trust.

And food for the poor, when it comes to this kind of stuff, that there's no one better. And they are all about showing the love of Christ in the most palpable ways. And I want to say, too, we both know Tom Trattop, an absolutely terrific guy that works for with Salem. He's part of the Salem Network. But he also personally is there to help in disaster. situations. Now, not in this one in particular, but he's been there with food for the poor. And he knows exactly how those donations are distributed. Yeah, well, that's the whole idea is that we have a

relationship, so we really know with whom we are dealing. And so I don't know what you can give. You know what you can give. But just doing something at a time like this, again, we really can't comprehend what people are going through. It's just horrific. And so I want to exhort you today. Go to our website, metaxis talk.com. You'll see the banner, Food for the Poor, to help the victims in Turkey and Syria. Obviously, this is urgent because a week from now and two weeks from now, there's not much you can do compared to what you can do right now. Right now, it is super urgent.

You could say literally save lives right now. Well, there's no question. And again, freezing weather conditions complicate this. So they really actually need our help right now. So that's why we're doing this. Again, we don't normally do this. Metaxistalk.com is our radio website. If we get a phone number, we will provide it.

We'll check on that in just a minute. Today, we're not sure what we're doing in hour one. we were planning to have Alan Dershowitz on. If we don't have him today and hour one, we will have him tomorrow. He has a book out called Guilt by Association, The Challenge of Proving Innocence in the Age of Me Too. He himself went through hell on that score and was very recently vindicated. Yeah, it was actually guilt by accusation, which is more like you're guilty until you can prove yourself innocent.

Oh, I'm sorry, guilt by accusation. Right. That's the title, the challenge of proving innocence in the age of me, too. So we're going to be talking to him, if not today, then tomorrow. We may, in a few minutes, have Kevin McCullough on to talk about the carnage that they call the State of the Union address. Anyway, in the meantime, would you please, please, please go to Metaxus talk.com and give to help the folks in Turkey and Syria. God bless you. In case you haven't been paying attention, the Biden administration has caused a financial crisis. and they have no clue how to fix it.

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with whom I assume you're familiar with. Alan Dershowitz, welcome back. Thanks for coming on. It's a pleasure to be on with a guy from Queens. We used to go to Queens to try to meet the rich girls. It was that bad. Listen, I want to talk to you about a lot of things, but I want to be very clear with my audience

that may not remember. First of all, your least impressive credential is to be multiple New York Times bestseller. Even I am in multiple New York Times bestseller. We know that's no longer worth anything and the Times has gone over to the dark side. Please don't comment. But you are known as one of those prominent and consistent defenders of civil liberties in America, something that, of course, the concept. of civil liberties has fallen on hard times, and it's why your voice has become so very important.

You wrote a book just a couple of years ago called Guilt by Accusation, the Challenge of Proving Innocence in the Age of Hashtag Me Too. And at the end of last year, you were officially exonerated. So this really brings us to where we are in this country. So let's just start there. You, most people will consider you a very prominent liberal. We're accused of these things to the point where you wrote a book about it. And tell us what happened to you if you would.

Well, it was a totally false accusation. It wasn't one of these gray areas. Well, they had sex, was consensual. It wasn't it? I never met the woman, never heard of her. It was a completely made up story. And I said that from day one. I said from day one, there wouldn't be any photographs.

There wouldn't be any witnesses. This is not a gray area case in the end. I said right from the beginning I would be totally exonerated, and everybody would understand this never, ever, ever happened. Now I want to move on to helping other people who have been accused. And I think this is a pandemic in the United States now. I know a lawyer in Los Angeles who says she writes $100,000, check once a week on behalf of prominent Los Angeles people. People just walk into the office

and say, well, I'm going to accuse this guy unless you pay me 100 grand. And of course, it never happened. But paying 100 grand is a lot better than suffering a million dollars worth in publicity. So there's an extortion record going on. It's called extortion. I'm not a lawyer, but this seems to me, we know it's wrong, but isn't it criminal? Isn't it extraordinary? It won't stop until the false accuses go to prison and there are lawyers who have facilitated them go to jail. You know, it was Eric Hoff or the Great Street philosopher who once said they started causes. They then become movements, then businesses, and then rackets. Yeah.

And the Me Too movement is through all those phases. And the real victims of false accusations are the real victims of sexual abuse. Because when people start making up stories, then the credibility of the whole movement comes. into effect. So I think I'm a strong supporter of the real Me Too movement, but I think there ought to be another Me Too movement. Me Too, I've been wrongly accused along with so many other people, and we have to fight back. The reason I could fight back is because I have a completely clean record. I've never touched another woman since the day I met Jeffrey Epstein. I've been happily married for nearly 40 years. I'm not a flirt. Nobody has ever accused me before. I had no fear of sitting for a deposition for four days. I said, go ahead, ask me anything you want. I'll tell you everything about my sex life, everything. I have nothing hidden. I want every video to come out. I want every picture to come out. I don't claim any right to privacy. Anything you have, lay it out there. But obviously, people who make false accusations want to hide the truth.

And so I think this is a quest for truth. I don't want to talk specifically about my case, because it's over, I want to talk about helping other people and making myself available to help other people who have been falsely accused. But none the less took several years for you to be officially exonerated. I mean, that's what you have to go through. Eight years. I could have easily stopped it. I was asked just to pay a million dollars and it would go away.

I didn't want to do that. I wanted to fight back. It took me eight years. It took a heavy toll not only on me, but on my family. my grandchildren were in college during the Me Too movement, my children, my wife, people looked at them funny. I walked down the street and a woman is holding this really happened. A woman is holding her 10-year-old or walking with a 10-year-old child. She sees me recognize me and she shields the child from me.

I get every single day, every day, today, today, every day, emails, tweets, and other social commentary calling me a profile. That's why it's guilt by accusation. There is no defense. Once you're accused, you're guilty in the mind of everybody out here. You, there's no one in a better position than you to help us understand where we have come from in America. The rule of law is it's a sacred thing. I think all of these wonderful things like the rule of law. Because we've had them, we've effectively taken them for granted.

We don't teach civics. We don't help people understand that we've had the extraordinary privilege of living under the rule of law and usually avoiding these kinds of things or at least making them very, very rare. What do you suppose has slipped such that we are capable of falling into, you know, something like the Salem witch trial or. or something that you hear about, you know, people being accused in East Germany by their relatives. In other words, that has really not been part of our history as a country. What do you believe has been slipping or eroding such that this is possible? Well, I'm a little older than you. So I grew up during the McCarthy period.

And I remember very vividly being at Brooklyn College when the president of the college wouldn't allow communists who to speak on the campus or to teach. And I fought against it then. I was a very late anti-communism. I hate communism. I think it's one of the great evils of the world. But I defended their right. And people who represented communists were trashed and were canceled.

And we're seeing a repeat of this. The country has fallen into a tremendous divide. Everything is one side or the other. There are no civil libertarians left. You're either on one side, you're on the other. defend President Trump on the floor of the Senate, even though I voted against him twice, and I'm regarded as a facilitator of Trump the way Jerry McCarthyism lawyers were regarded as facilitators. Larry David comes over to me on the chillmark and starts screaming. You're

despicable because of my representation of Trump and other things. Caroline Kennedy, the daughter of the President of the United States, the niece of Ted Kennedy, who I represent, presented, says to me at a dinner party, if I knew you had been invited, I wouldn't have come. This is all because I defended Donald Trump on the floor of the Senate. You know, there are 18 civil libertarians left. Two of us are on this program. There are very few civil libertarians left in the world. It's civil liberties for me, but not for these.

It's the rule of law for me, but not for they. I have to say, I'm much more surprised by Caroline Kennedy's comment than I, am by the ever-histrionic Larry David. Listen, I have, I used to be friends with Larry David back and when I was an aspiring comic. And I have to tell you the idea that he would feel, to me, it's not just what people think. It's the idea that they think they are being publicly virtuous and heroic by calling you out in that way. And I guess what makes it interesting to me, is that we've seen this all through history, right? You feel righteous.

He thought he was being righteous when he was accusing you. I'm sure. His veins were bulging. I think it was as if he had run into garing or gerbils and was saying to them, my God, you're a facilitator of Hitler. I mean, he really regarded Donald Trump as Hitler. And he meant every word of it. He was serious. He wasn't lying to me. This was his emotion. And you can't be a civil libertarian in that world. You have to be on one side or the other. And I was on the wrong side. Larry and I were good friends. He used to come to my house for dinner all the time, work out in the gym in my basement. I helped his daughter get into college. We were good friends. And all I said to him when he came on the porch of the Cholmark store, us, Larry, we disagree, but can we talk? And he said, no, you're despicable. And he started, you know,

screaming at me in front of a lot of other people. Well, he really was my friend many years ago. And it hurts, I have to say, when folks like that do that. But what's interesting to me, and we can touch on this in the next segment, but if you genuinely believe Donald Trump is Hitler 2.0, which many people like Larry David do, you can understand the lunacy because they are genuinely convinced of it. Here's the problem. If you have the slightest grasp of history, you know that believing Trump is Hitler 2.0 is idiocy. And that to me is part of the problem is general ignorance on the part of people, which doesn't stop them from speaking in many cases, screaming. We'll be right back talking to Alan Dershowitz. Tell me why.

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Well, it's also happening among the Hebrew tribe. I was canceled by Temple Emmanuel. After the rabbi told me, I had spoken there every year for years and years filled the place up. He said, I absolutely believe you did nothing wrong, but I don't want trouble. I was canceled by the 92nd Street, why. I was canceled by the Ramaz High School, all saying, we don't believe a word of any of this. Wait a minute. What you just said, no, no, no, what you just said, we don't want trouble. You know and I know, that is how Hitler rose to power. Because Germans, just like the folks to whom you've referred, simply said, we don't want trouble. Maybe we even know you're not guilty, but we don't want trouble.

That to me is even more despicable than being an unhinged lunatic like our former friend Larry David, because they know what's right and nonetheless are choosing not to stand up for principle or for someone they know innocent. That is to me the horror

and at the center of what we're talking about. And that's why some of the leaders of the Jewish community have been among the worst villains of this modern McCarthyism. By the way, as they were during real McCarthyism. You know, Jews are frightened of their status, particularly very, very wealthy and established ones, the heads of this committee and the heads of that committee. They don't want to lose their status.

And so the last thing they ever think about is principle. All they think about is how to preserve their status. And, you know, I was Israel's strongest supporter in the court of public opinion. And now my voice has been silenced as the result of these Jewish leaders because universities say, if they won't let you speak at Temple Emmanuel, how can we live? let you speak at Princeton. And so it's been absolutely disgraceful. And but it's gone, obviously, beyond the Jewish community. It's gone to academia. I was invited to speak at Harvard, where I spoke for 50, or I talked for 50 years. And the speech had to be taken off campus and moved to a different location so that it wouldn't be disrupted. What's going on on college campuses today is

outrageous. When I spoke at Johns Hopkins University, they had a picture of media. with a Hitler mustache. People walked out. They said you're part of the rape culture. You know, I've urged people to read my book guilt by accusation. I don't stand by in and now because things have changed since I wrote it, particularly the statement made by the woman. I put it on the cover. I now recognize that I may have made a mistake in identifying Alan Dershowell. A little late, eight years later, but I don't stand by everything in the book. But the book tells the story of what's happening in America, and it's a story that has to be taken into account if we want to avoid this. Because, you know, false accusation against me is one thing. People say, oh, he's a big shot. He can take it.

It could happen to your brother. It could happen to your sister. It could happen to your uncle. It's pervasive in America today. And I want to continue to fight back, whatever the costs are. Well, see, that's the difference. And this is the problem, in a sense, is that when you have people saying, I don't want trouble, I've written on this particular subject. I've written a biography of Dietrich Bonhoeffer, one of the great German heroes who stood up. And it's because of that that I understand how these things can happen and how normally good people can decide, really,

they think they're taking a safe path by saying we don't want trouble. But in fact, they are helping evil to triumph. But you know, Vonhofer is a perfect example because, as you know, you did the biography. Early in his life, he was an anti-Semite. He didn't like Jews. And he came to see the horror of what was going on. And he put his principle, of course, he changed his mind about that.

The same thing is true of the Dreyfus case. There's a movie out that can't be seen by Americans because it was directed by Roman Polanski about the Dreyfus case. And the hero was a guy named Picard, who was an anti-Semite. but he couldn't bear the idea that the French army would be prosecuting a guilty person. We have to get a return to that kind of principle, and we're not seeing it. We're seeing a movement in the opposite direction. I have to take issue with you on Bonhofer.

I'm almost 100 percent certain he was never anti-Semitic. His family was one of those very rare families and journey. They're very, very sophisticated, and his father was an extraordinary academic celebrated. scientist. So I don't think that there was ever any anti-Semitism in him. And we could talk about that privately because I want to answer your concerns on that score. Nonetheless, the point is that we have a situation happening in America where very few people are willing to do what you have been willing to do and what by God's grace I have tried to do, which is to say, I am not going to cave in. I'm not going to say, oh, I don't want trouble.

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Folks, welcome back. I have the privilege and the joy of speaking with Alan Dershowitz. His book is guilt by accusation, the challenge of proving innocence in the age of me to. Alan Dershowitz, I was talking to you earlier about how, to my mind, because I'm generally on the conservative side of things, I have been just astonished by the dissent of today's left. It's not the left that we once knew. There seemed to be almost no principled liberals or progressives. Those like you are so rare. I think of Daniel Patrick, more. I think of people in the past that we would say he's a liberal, he's a Democrat, but boy, we agree on almost everything. We can quibble about this and quibble about that.

What has happened to the American left that we are at this point? How has this happened? Well, I wrote a book subtitled why I left the left but couldn't join the right. The people like me are really stuck in the middle. We are social liberals. We believe in gay rights. We believe in a woman's right to choose. We believe in reasonable gun control.

But we can't buy into the woke culture. We can't buy into their repressive nature. They're not progressives. They're repressives. They don't believe that free speech in the marketplace of ideas are important. They think of free speech as a patriarchal white supremacist a way of preserving a power. They don't believe in due process. If you're a man and you're accused by a woman, of course you're guilty.

What do we need a trial for? So, you know, the hard left has always been that way. No surprise. The Stalinist hard left and the Nazi hard right were the same. And today, the Stalinist hard left, as represented by some people in the squad and people in the left, left, left of the Democratic Party are just reflecting the old notions of Stalinism, including their virulent anti-Israel attitudes, which some sort of. sometimes morph into anti-Semitism.

And so, you know, we are a country of extremes. And the job of people like you and me, I'm a moderate liberal, you're a moderate conservative, is for us to talk together and try to marginalize the extremes on both part. I take it as part of my responsibility to specially attack the hard left and the woke left, because I am identified with the left. And I think people who are conservatives have to do the same thing to the people on the extreme, extreme racist right? Well, I mean, when you talk to my mind, I am less an enemy of those causing this trouble

than those who proclaim themselves to be sort of in the middle allowing it to happen. In other words, I would call them the rhinos, the people in the Republican Party who are very content not to speak out against. cultural Marxism and the madness that's happening. They don't want any trouble. You are talking about being a rare figure on the left who is willing to take this on. But my question, of course, is it's one thing to talk about AOC or any of these, I think Harpies is the term I'm groping for. they ought to be denounced by older Democrats. That has not happened.

The older Democrats, the seasoned Democrats have utterly given into this, which strikes me as amazing, horrifying. Why do you suppose they don't have the guts? There is no moderate. There is no Bill Clinton to denounce Sister Soldier. There is no Bill Clinton working with the Dick Morris to triangulate, to say the era of big government is over to try to find some way. You know, we are light years from the world of Tip O'Neill and Reagan. Why do you suppose prominent Democrats, establishment Democrats, don't have the courage that you would hope that they would have? Because they're terrified about losing that one extreme element of the party.

Look at what's happened with Elon O'Mare. She doesn't deserve to be in Congress any more than George Santos deserves to be in Congress. But you can't – and when a resolution was made and passed, many of the most prominent Democrats supported Elon Omer, who's a bigot and anti-Semite racist and – and, you know, just a despicable person when it comes to issues of this kind. And yet the Democrats are terrified because they're not terrified of attacking her. If they attack her, then they will lose AOC. If they lose AOC, then they'll lose Warren supporters. If they lose Warren supporters, then they'll lose Sanders supporters. And they're afraid it will dig in deeper and deeper and deeper.

I think a similar phenomenon occurs in the Republican Party where the condemnation of extremists on the hard right. Look, in order for McCarthy to become Speaker of the House, he had just like Benjamin Anthony Hill in order to become prime minister, he had to make deals with the devil. That's politics. I think the people, okay, I would strongly disagree with you. I think Bulbert and company are heroic for having held his feet to the fire. That's another conversation. The larger conversation to me is you're looking for people to have what is called courage,

integrity, principles, and it seems like, you know, the folks that you're mentioning, I mean, for Joe Biden and I actually don't know who, who do you think is actually the president who's running the presidency? Because I cannot, in any, the most generous part of me, the most gracious moment of my life, I cannot imagine that Biden is actually running this country. Well, here we're going to disagree. I thought his speech yesterday, a state of the union message, was what I expected, not articulate, not brilliant, but he laid out an image for America, which I generally approve of. And he tried hard most of the time and most of the speech to bring people together. At some points, he deviated. But, you know, he's the president. He was

legitimately elected. I plan to vote for him again if he runs against Donald Trump. I don't know who I would vote for if the lineup were different. But, you know, I am not a Dino. I am not just a Democrat name only. I believe in most of the principles of the Democratic Party. And I can't abide by the platform of the Republican Party, except on some issues. On some issues, I agree with the Republicans more than the Democrats. That's what nuance is. I had a piece in the New York Daily News just two or three days ago called The Death of Nuance, how nobody wants to be. wants to talk about on the one hand and on the other hand. We are.

And that's what America is about on the one hand and the other hand. I'm horrified to say we're out of time. I would love to have you back just to talk about all these things. It's a, it's a joy to know that you're out there. This was a conversation. Very grateful for you, Alan Dershowitz. Folks, the book is guilt by accusation. Folks, welcome back.

As you know, our guests today, Kevin McCullough. They call him Votesradamus. And Alan Dershowitz, a genuinely principled, brilliant but unabashedly liberal figure. So Alan Dershowitz and Kevin McCullough today. I want to mention briefly the Socrates and City event, February 28th. Ladies and gentlemen, a year ago when I read Eugenia Constantineau's book, The Crucifixion of the King of Glory, I had her on this program. I said next year at the beginning of Lent, I want to have her as my guest at Socrates in the city.

The book, I tell you, I just stumble around looking for adjectives because I've never read a book that, I mean, there are three things. First of all, the scholarship, multidisciplinary scholarship brought to bear on the last week of the life of Jesus. is unlike anything that's ever been done. A lot of times scholars, they focus on one thing and you get one point of view or whatever. Even if you read Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John, you're getting one angle. She manages to take all four gospels

and then all of these different disciplines and write a book unlike anything I've ever read. But not only does, is it genius scholarship, which needs to be acknowledged as such, spectacular scholarship. But it is unbelievably readable. That is the shock. You don't expect books like that to be totally readable.

And because of this, folks, it is a work of devotion. It brought me closer to Jesus. It brought me closer to God. There are very, very, very few books I could ever say that have done that in the way that her book does. So that's Socrates in the city, February 28th. If you can't get there, and I'm telling you, if you can get there, you want to get there. February 28, Soctean City, New York City. We've got rooms at the Union League Club. But if you can't get there, we're going to live stream it. Sign up for the live stream.

If you can't get there, if you can get there, please sign up. Limited early bird tickets, limited VIP, sign up. Also, I want to say we are doing something I don't think we've ever done before in this program. There's a tremendous emergency overnight. Salem Radio, all of us decided, we need to ask you to help food for the poor right now. Yes. We were going to say this for the end of the month. Right now, we need your help at food for the poor. The earthquakes in Turkey and Syria, hugely devastating.

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