The Eric Metaxas Show - Ben Carson

Episode Date: June 3, 2021

Dr. Ben Carson, transformed from a "young angry man" to a world-renowned brain surgeon, discusses the solutions to America's many problems.

to the Eric Mettaxas show with your host, Eric Metaxus. Hey there, folks. Welcome to the Eric Metaxis show. This is a show. I'm playing the role of Eric Metaxis. And fortunately for you, I have a real guest playing himself. Remember Dr. Ben Carson from a presidential administration. He was a neurosurgeon, brain surgeon. And he's my guest. my friend, I'm thrilled to have you. Dr. Carson, Ben Carson, Secretary Carson, welcome. Thank you so much. I'm always delighted to be with you. You amaze me on many levels. Let me start there, that you're the person that my wife often compares me to. And I want you to know, I hate you for that, how I hate you, because you're so calm. You're calm enough to do, you know, 24 hours straight operating on people's brains.

And I'm just, I'm not that calm, you know. You're like a lion and I'm like a mongoose or something like that. So, so the other day, we, we both spoke at the Corn Palace at the Frank Speech thing. And I had to follow you. And I thought, it's never good following Ben Carson because you're so calm. You're like the pericomo of brain surgeons. There's nobody calmer than you. So anyway, you're calm.

But if you're going to operate on brains, I think it's important to be calm. So I'm just working out my own. But I wasn't always calm. See, that's the issue. And that's my wife and I talk about it because we read your book. Why don't you, listen, a lot of people know you as this famous Christian, famous brain surgeon, and then now, you know, former secretary to the president of the United States. But some people don't know the early part of your life.

It is an amazing story. We don't really have too much time. But I do want you to, let's get into that for a minute. Because how you found faith and became. the man you are today. Let's put it this way. It's a miracle. So let's, uh, why don't you say a little bit about that. Well, I, I was an individual who would get extraordinarily angry, uh, as a youngster. And when I was angry, I was just out to harm people. And I really didn't care what the consequences were. So, you know, one time somebody hit me with a pebble. It really didn't

hurt, but I was so angry. I picked up a large rot, hurled at his face, broke his glasses, almost put his eye out. He had to go to the hospital. Um, sometimes he was trying to close my locker at school. I didn't want it closed. I hit them in the forehead with my fist. Unfortunately, the lock was still in my hand, put a three-inch gash in his forehead.

Try to hit my mother in the head with a hammer because I want to wear something. My brother caught it from behind. Now, that one I have not heard because I had the privilege of meeting your mother. I didn't realize that it rose to that level, actually. Wow. I mean,

I would just be kind of insane when I, I got angry. And it culminated one day when I tried to stab another youngster who did something innocent like changing a channel that I was listening to. And I had a large camping knife, and I tried to stab him in the abdomen. And fortunately, he had a large metal belt buckle under his clothing. A knife blade struck with such force that it broke. And at that point, excuse me, you were about 14? That was 14. I remember that story because, I don't remember what you just said about the knife breaking. In other words, as an indication of the force with which you were lunging with this knife.

And by the grace of God, he didn't get stabbed. And that's all it is, the grace of God, which I realized that a couple hours later, I was in the bathroom by myself just contemplating what I had just done. And I said, if you hadn't had that belt buckle on, my dream. of becoming a physician because that's a whole other story. I was a terrible student. And then my mother made us read books and it completely changed, you know, my orientation. I stopped listening to all the people who are saying the system is stacked against you,

started reading about scientists and entrepreneurs and explorers. And I began to realize the person who had the most to do it would happen to you is you, not somebody else. But at that moment in that bathroom, I realized that all of that was for naught because with a temper like that. There was no way I was going to be a doctor. I was going to end up in jail, reform school, or the grave. And none of those appealed to me. And I just said, Lord, you got to help me. And there was a Bible, and I picked it up. There were all these verses about anger and about fools, and it seemed like they were all written about me. And I came to an understanding during that time that

the reason I would be so angry all the time is because I was selfish. It was always about me, me, my, and I, someone was in my space. They took my thing. And I said, if you can just step outside the center of the circle and look at things from other people's point of view, it would make a big difference. That was the last day that I had an angry outburst. Well, it's hard for those of us who know you now, and I've known you for some years, to even imagine you being that kind of a person.

So it does seem miraculous that you try. changed so so dramatically. You just said that you were hearing those voices, I'm assuming this is in the 60s, telling you that, you know, you were a victim of a system of oppression, systemic oppression. So you were hearing that and it was affecting you. I think it was. I mean, if you heard all the time that you can't succeed, that, you know, it's a racist society. things are stacked against you.

That's what society was saying. But my mother was saying something very different. She was saying, yes, there are obstacles, but you don't have to let them overcome you. That was her constant message. You're the captain of your ship. Yourself to blame. It was a point that she always resided to us. It doesn't really matter what else is going on.

You're the captain of your ship. You decide which way it goes. And those obstacles can become your excuse for failure or they can strengthen you to take the next hurdle. Well, it's kind of amazing that after you had this outburst and you try to stab somebody, clearly you could have killed him, clearly. You have this moment. And what's interesting to me is that you sort of come to yourself, you're alone, and that you do turn to the Bible. I mean, that's interesting that at that age with that kind of a temperament, you would have done that.

Did your mother, were you a Christian at that time? Or where would you put yourself? Yeah, I was a baptized Christian at that time. I just continued to give in to the anger. And, you know, that was the moment that really changed me for the first time. And that was, I think, my true conversion at that point. It doesn't mean that I'm perfect now. Believe me, I understand that.

And I know that I need a savior, but it made a big difference in my life. How old was your mother when she was married? 13. And, you know, she came from a very large rural family, and she was trying to escape desperate poverty. So she married my father, who was 28, and she was 13. And they moved to Detroit, and he was a factory worker. And, you know, my mother, even... though she had less than a third grade education, she's a very wise person. And, you know, she took

any extra money that we had. She saved it and invested it in property. And at one point, they had quite a lot of property in Detroit. And then, unfortunately, my father, you know, got into drugs and stuff, and he just wasted all the money. I think if he'd been, if he'd been smart enough to listen to my mother, they would have been extremely well-off. I feel so privileged that I met your mother. She actually signed my copy of your book when I first met you. Your mother is a hero and any book written about you, including the one you wrote. Her story lays the foundation. I think of Susanna Wesley raising the Wesley's. It's kind of astonishing what a mother can do and create in the world. I'm glad we started there because there's so much else to talk about. We're going to go to a

break, but when we come back, I want to talk to you about what you've been doing in the American Cornerstone Institute. Things have gotten weird in America, and we need to learn some of the basics. I know that's what the American Cornerstone Institute is about. Before we go to the break, what is the website for the American Cornerstone Institute? It's American Cornerstone.org. That's it. American Cornerstone.org. Folks, when we come back, I'm talking to Dr. Ben Carson.

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Ben Carson. Ben Carson. I don't know. Ben Carson. I love talking to you. Ben, Ben is good. You know what I always say? Since, yeah. I said Jesus created the universe. Jesus created the universe and he doesn't mind if we call him Jesus. That's amazing.

That's true. But I think he's trying to make a particular theological point. I want to talk to you about, first of all, how you got involved in a presidential administration and what you did there. And then I want to talk about where we are now. But I think a lot of people can, I can say, can blame you or thank you for humanizing Donald Trump back when a lot of people didn't know what to make of him or only thought of him as brash or something like that. You very kindly and your typically gentle, kind way, reached out to him and put your support behind him. So let me just ask you, what did you see in him that a lot of people still don't see?

I saw a man who deeply loved America. You know, I had seen his interview with Oprah Winfrey about 25 years prior to that. And she asked him if he would ever run for president. And he said, no, I would not ever do that unless I thought the country was going off the cliff. And there was a need to save it. And as I got to know him during the campaign, I realized that he was sincere about that. he had a good life and he really didn't need to do this that wouldn't enhance his reputation it would destroy his reputation it wouldn't make them wealthy or it would make them poor

so there was really no good reason except that he truly loved our country and thought it was gone off the cliff i felt the same way and philosophically we were very much in the same boat very different personalities however you think um you um you um you um you um you um you um you um you um you um you um you um I guess I'm just curious, what was your experience becoming as Secretary of HUD, right? Yes. I mean, I never think about HUD, housing, and urban development. What did you think needed to be done? And do you feel you were able to get it done or get something done?

Because I think one thing we all learned in the last four years is about the existence of the bureaucratic state and how horrific it is that this lean, country has grown into this bloated, socialistic, bureaucratic state that is so far removed from the people that the best thing you could ever do is drain the swamp, so to speak, to coin a phrase, and reduce the size of government. So was that your experience that it was difficult to deal with that? Well, the reason that I wanted to do the job in the first place is because HUD is sort of like the philanthropic arm of the federal government.

and has to do a lot with the poor in this country. And Jesus talks so much about the poor and how we should care for them. I felt that that was a real possibility. When I got there, you know, I was quite shocked by the disarray. There had been no functional CFO in eight years. financial systems were just bizarre. How can that be under that for the eight years of the Obama-Biden administration, there was no functional CFO for all of HUD?

Yeah, with all that money, with billions of dollars flowing through there, there was no substantial oversight. There had not been a real audit in over eight years. They couldn't do an audit because there were so many. many substantial defects that you couldn't audit it. And so the first thing we did was to try to get a very good CFO. We managed to get Irv Dennis, a 37-year veteran of Ernst & Young, who was going to retire and enjoy life. It took a lot of arm testing, but he did come and really did a major reorganization. And last year, it was actually the first year, HUD has been able to have

clean audit in over eight years. And you need to have that in place in order to be able to do your other programs. We were very interested in self-sufficiency. And of course, HUD was the agency that pushed the opportunity zones and coordinated it with all the other agencies. And as the CEA report, Council of Economic Advisors report last August showed an enormous benefit. 500,000 new jobs. We were anticipating, attracting $100 billion over 10 years. We attracted $75 billion in the first two years before COVID struck. The wealth of people who live in that area increased 11% people out of poverty.

You know, those are the kinds of things that make a difference. And it's not targeted at any specific group. It's the rising time that floats all. boats and recognizing that if you created a system that encourage entrepreneurship and innovation, that the jobs would come. And that's why we had the lowest unemployment for African-American community, Hispanic community, other communities ever, not in 10 years, not in 20 years, but ever. Wealth gap starting to close.

All of these things happened. And, you know, there were a whole host of programs that we were able to initiate. aim toward creating self-sufficiency. I hope that those will survive the current administration. Now, you say the current administration, I'm not going to get into what I think of the current quote-unquote administration, but I will say this. They seem to be doing their level worst to take America into the dark ages.

I mean, it's sort of like what de Blasio has done during his reign in New York. at light speed. It's kind of like warp speed. Take us back to the 70s. I have never seen anything like it, an administration that it combines the most radical leftist ideology, which most Democrats would never vote for. Let's be honest. This is mania. With unbelievable incompetence, it's sort of like what you just said about HUD under Obama. You know, you think, how can these people, like the most basic business person understands, you got to fix that, got to do that, they don't seem to have the beginning of a clue on many, many things. And so we really experienced a kind of a renaissance, at least economically under Trump. And do you think that you and Trump will get a second crack at

it? What is your gut feeling for the country? Well, you know, the problem is when you have government that's driven by ideology as opposed to by facts, then you get a lot of aberrant conditions. And that's what we're experiencing right now. Yes, I do believe that there will be another chance for conservatives and for people who love the country and think logically, as opposed to people who really want to fundamentally change us into something else. Does our country and does our history have problems? Are there some warts? Absolutely. No sensible person would deny that.

But by the same token, this is a country. that has provided enormous opportunities for everybody, higher standards of living. It is why people still are trying to get in here, even illegally. If it was a bastion of racism and hatred, would people be forming caravans trying to get in here? Come on, that makes no sense at all. So you're saying that you think that a systemically racist country, let me just ask you a question, do you think that this racist country would ever, for example, elect a black man to the white, House? Well, of course not. You know, it makes no sense on its face. It'll never happen.

Then, let's be realistic. Never happen in a racist country. Tell us about the American Cornerstone Institute. I'm very excited about this. I don't understand how these things work. Is it a think tank? What is it called? Well, as Glenn Beck dubbed it, it's a think tank slash do tank. We like to get things done. Okay. But basically, a group of us, from HUD, who feel very strongly that we have to continue the forward momentum of our nation, recognize that if we just retire and relax, that things were not going to turn out well. So we formed this organization to elevate the cornerstone principles that made America into a great nation. And we're talking about our faith.

We're talking about community. The question is how do you do something about it? I know you believe these things. And we have talked on this program about this before, but I'm trying to remember how is it possible for folks like us who believe in these things to do something about them? In other words, what can the Cornerstone Institute, American Cornerstone Institute, do? How can it affect policy? How does that work?

Well, if you go to our website, you'll see on there several conversations with, prominent individuals on a lot of topics that affect us as Americans. But we also have programs like the more perfect union where we get people involved in not only the Constitution but the Declaration of Independence and all of our founding documents to teach them. And we're launching this summer. We've already started the process, Little Patriots, to teach our children at homeschool, at charter schools, at pride schools, and in public schools, the real history of our country. We're going to go to a break, but I am very excited about this.

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part of God's calling on my life to say as publicly and loudly as I can to most Americans, you're not crazy when you think that the world has gone crazy. Everybody needs to be encouraged. Like, yes, there is lunacy in them of our hills. It's just pure madness. Most Americans know, but they're too busy to deal with her to talk about it. And I just want to be one of those voices that says, folks, we all know that it's gone crazy. Don't worry. most of us know and we're doing what we can behind the scenes. What do you make of it, Dr. Carson, because it is really nothing less than madness. It's antithetical to some of the founding principles of our country. You know, when I go back to the cornerstone principles of liberty,

that means that people came to this country because they wanted to be free. They wanted to be free to express themselves verbally and in every other way without government. And, interfering with everything that they were doing. Now, some people say, we still have freedom of speech here. But do you really? Just because the government isn't imposing a restriction, if the government is in compliance with big tech and the media, it is absolutely the same effect. Okay, hang on. I've got to interrupt you because you just made a very important point, very, very important point. If the government is conspiring, agreeing with those who are silencing us, then in fact, the government is using its power,

which is given to it by we, the people, to work against the people. So how do you make the case that the government is doing that? In other words, if they say, oh, it's not us, it's private companies, how do you make the case that the government and the current fake administration is, in fact, somehow using its private companies, power wrongly? Well, the government has the responsibility of guaranteeing for its people, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They are not allowing us to live in freedom.

So they're reneging on their responsibility to promote liberty when they allow any other entity to destroy any of those principles. And that needs to be made clear to all the people. And that's one of the things we're doing. Also, remember, with cancel culture, it is antithetical to our principles of faith. Our Judeo-Christian values tell us to love your neighbor, not to cancel your neighbor, if you disagree with them. Completely antithetical to both liberty and.

to faith, which are two guiding principles. The principle of community, which is that of working together. I just had an hour-long conversation that will be televised with

Benjamin Crump. Obviously, we come from two extraordinarily different vantage points, but we want the same things. And by being respectful, listening to each other and talking about what are the facts. It is possible to make progress. That's what community is all about. In America,

we have much more that we agree about than what we disagree about. But we allow the media and others to take those things we disagree about, put them on the forefront, and make that seem like the most important issue, and actually deceive the American people into thinking that we are each other's enemies. We are not each other's enemies. But if we continue to believe that, we will destroy our nation. A house divided against itself cannot stand. Jesus said it. Abraham Lincoln said it.

It's absolutely true. And the last cornerstone principle, life. As we've gotten further away from respect of life, from the womb to the tomb, we've become less respectful of each other. And that has coarsened our behavior, our dialogue, and it is going to obviously wreak havoc if we don't get a handle on it and stop allowing people to manipulate us. What do you make of the fact that our government, including the Republicans who had power for

some time until recently, did not do more to stand against big tech? I think there are a lot of people that they're effectively pinheads because all they focus on is the free market, quote unquote, as if there is such a thing divorced from virtue and context. And they just thought, well, let it ride. We can't do anything about private companies, which is preposterous because we can do trust busting. It's been done. It needs doing. And then there are other things. I mean, if a company, for example, is involved with China, who is our enemy, who is working against human rights and civil rights with all the power that they have, the idea that we cannot take a stand against them or require our own companies or companies that are making billions from the American market to have certain benchmarks when they're dealing with countries like that.

I mean, why do you think the Republicans didn't do more? I guess this is my way of saying that I think that a lot of people are very disgusted with the Republican Party because many in the Republican Party, did not put America first? Yeah, well, I think they falsely assumed that they had more time than they did, given the fact that the economy was doing so incredibly well, and that so many other parameters were functioning in a very good way, they just assumed that they would have more time. And that was a false assumption.

They will eventually have power again. I pretty much feel that's a guarantee because people are waking up pretty quickly. Right, right. Well, forgive me, Dr. Carson. We're going to go to a break. When we come back, I'll let you complete that sentence. Folks, I'm talking to Ben Carson. Turn the other cheek and don't give in.

Hey, the folks. Welcome back. And welcome to the segment where I let Dr. Ben Carson complete his previous thought. Dr. Carson go. I was saying, you know, what we really need to recognize is that this is not really about Democrats and Republicans. This is about people who love what America stands for and people who think that we need to fundamentally change it into something else. And I know amongst the Republicans, there's a lot of dissension and griping and never-trumper's and all kinds of different factions. what they need to understand is what they are fighting for is much greater than the little pet peeves that they may have.

We are talking about the future for our children and our grandchildren. Will they be free or will they not be free? And the fact of the matter is if you can't unite those people who love America, then America will no longer exist. turn into something else, and you, your grandchildren will be the ones who will suffer as a result of that. So you've got to be able to look at the big picture and not just your little pet peeve, because whatever that little pet peeve is, that's going to be gone too. Well, I mean, the problem, of course, is that as bad as many Republicans are and not standing

against the wokeness and the madness, which is ultimately cultural Marxism, let's call it what it is. I think we also have to say that the Democratic Party of today has been entirely hijacked by leftists. In other words, the party of Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter or JFK, that party is long gone. It's been taken over by people who are in bed with Marxists. I mean, the idea that U.S. embassies would be flying the BLM flag is, it might as well fly the swastika. That is a Marxist organization that not only doesn't help black people but harms black people. That's where we are with the current administration, in quotes. And I hope that people can actually sit back and understand that.

But I do have another fear, and that is when the right people get back in, right leaning, that is, that they will want to exact revenge. and that they will say, you know, let's make sure that these people never arise again. And that would be wrong, too. You know, at some point, adults in the room have got to stand up and exert themselves. We can't continue this. You know, I hate this because you came up with this ideal. And whatever it is, we're going to destroy it because you came up with the idea.

But you've never seen that happen except with Donald Trump. No matter if he said, I think calculus is good. You know, I think a lot of young people would want to pay him just to say that so that calculus would be wiped off of, you know, their course list. I mean, anything he said, he referred to ultraviolet light. He referred to, you know, any number of things, hydroxychloroquine. Hydroxychloroquine. All he would do is mention it. But the level of madness, I mean, people talked about Bush derangement syndrome.

honestly, I have never seen anything to equal it. It seems to me almost to be a spiritual issue. I've simply never seen people abandon reason and even abandon self-interest. They just seem to be driven by fury. But remember, the other side, many of them feel exactly the same way. And we have got to get to a point where we can. sit down and put the facts on the table. It's one of the things that we do at American Cornerstone,

have these roundtables in different parts of the country. Put the facts in the middle of the table, invite people from all perspectives, and let's solve the problems based on the facts, not on ideology. Unless we get to that point, all we do is argue back and forth and throw hand grenades at each other. Are you familiar with the work of Dr. Bob Woodson and 1776? Very much so. He's a hero. I hope maybe you'll work with him because I'm just, I'm amazed that, you know, you talk about the adults in the room. He's another adult in the room. And, you know, the idea that he has to work so hard and you have to work so hard to get your message out there. When I do agree with you, most Americans, I would think would agree with your message. Now, listen, since you're also a medical doctor, have to ask you, were you surprised that even death and illness was politicized in the way that it was during this pandemic that we are now through to some extent?

I was a little surprised at the extent to which it happened and how rapidly it happened. There's no question about that. And, you know, the fact that there are things that are helpful, like hydroxychloroquine, that's demonstrated in other parts of the world quite effectively, like Western Africa, where their percentage of people coming down with COVID-19 is 94% lower than ours. Why do you think in China they use hydroxychloroquine where the thing came from? You know, there's, you know, we hurt ourselves when we throw politics into medicine. And that's why the messages have been so incredibly confusing.

And I've been a little disappointed with some of the people that I've known for a very long time in the medical field who are aligned with the government and who perhaps have not demonstrated the level of integrity that I would expect to see. Well, you, as typical, you're gracious. I would even think over gracious because what they have done is at least despicable, if not criminal and murderous, because lives were at stake, the lives of people who trusted them. I had Naomi Wolf on my program simply because I had her on my program, and she's very liberal feminist. She was in my class at Yale. YouTube banned us completely for even allowing her. point of view. So we're living in difficult times. You're just one of the beacons of light in the midst of these times. I'm just grateful to you, Dr. Carson, for everything that you're doing. We've just got about 30 seconds. What can we do those of us who are listening to help you do what you do? Well, first of all, thank you for being a voice of courage. We need courage.

You cannot be the land of the free if you're not the home of the brain. But everybody has a sphere of influence. Please be willing to stand up in that sphere of influence. Don't just hang your head in the corner and hope no one will cause you a racist or some other name. Because if we don't stand up for what we believe, we will lose what we believe in this nation. Amen. Thank you so much. God bless you.

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And I'm thinking, do you really want to give that portion of the profit to Fox or to whomever? Right. or do you want it to give it to this show, which has been banished from YouTube and is being sued by, I can't even go into that publicly. So we do need your help. Every time you use the code, Eric at Mypillow.com or MyStore.com, most of my books are at MyStore.com, and we'll have way more coming up soon. You're helping us defray those costs on this program, and we do need your help. So if you tell your friends to use the code Eric, we're grateful. And as part of that, Neutrametics is a new big sponsor on the program.

We've had Tim Eaton on now twice. Watch those videos. We posted them on Rumble, and if you get our email newsletters, you've seen them. They are heroes, honestly, because they're producing a spectacular product, and I'm learning a lot about different herbs and spices or whatever they call them. What do they call them? Supplements. Oh, yeah, supplements. But not only that, they give 50% of their royalties to missions.

Right. You can listen to the thing. It's amazing, yeah. But if you use the code Eric there, you get 20% off. And most of us use all these things, whether it's, you know, magnesium or zinc or vitamin C or vitamin D, but all the basics. Stevia, melatonin and on and on and on. They have more exotic stuff. But I just want to say that every time you use the code Eric, you save 20%.

And it helps defray costs on this program. And we need your help. So that's a homework assignment. And then finally. Finally? Okay. CSI. Yes.

We are freeing slaves in the Sudan. Folks, am I making this up? No. people in this is this is like the wake-up call for us in the west we complain about you know getting banned from youtube there are people enslaved for their faith in Sudan and I just want to say that we can do something about it we did something about it was a year ago or eight months ago we did a huge number of uh was a christ that's right yeah and we freed like thousands of slaves and this is an amazing thing I can't even believe I'm saying this yeah but that's what CSI does

you can participate whatever you give goes to this, but anybody who gives $250 that frees a slave, and they don't buy them out of slavery, it's more complicated, I won't go into it now, but it frees a slave and then sets them up in a new life. Now, again, it's incomprehensible to us. We're talking about people enslaved. So CSI, their boots on the ground, they're helping.

Yes. It's kind of astonishing to me that they do this. So, we recommend. The banner is right at the top of the, Mataxisstalk.com. Right at the talk.com. What's for it. Have I mentioned our radio website is metaxistock.com?

There you go. Have I mentioned that? You can call 888-253-3522. Say it again? 888-253-3522. Please give generously. This is an incredible. People talk about slavery 150 years ago.

This is happening today. And you can free a slave today. And the fact is, because of CSI, you can do something about it. God bless you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.